Sina: Russia is building a railroad missile system capable of inducing fear in the US military

Although in appearance, this missile system does not differ at all from a regular freight train, it is capable of catching up with fear in the US military. We are talking about the Barguzin combat railway missile system (BZHRK), which can enter service with the Russian army in 3-5 years. This is reported by the Chinese Internet portal Sina.

The development of the Barguzin BZHRK was suspended in 2017, but now, as announced, it has been resumed again. Its predecessor was a similar Soviet-made Molodets railway complex.

The new BZHRK is characterized by high secrecy, as it is installed in an ordinary freight train. Thus, it can carry out a surprise missile launch from anywhere in the extensive network of Russian railways.

"Barguzin" consists of three complexes of intercontinental ballistic missiles and additional equipment, including a communications center and command post. The launch can be done in a few minutes. And since he does not stand out from other freight trains, he remains unnoticed by the enemy.

Such a missile system, in contrast to analogs moving on a car chassis, has a much higher carrying capacity, that is, it is capable of carrying more missiles.

Given that Russia has the largest land area in the world and a developed railway network, the presence of the Barguzin BZHRK in its arsenal should cause serious concern for the United States, according to the Chinese observer.

Comments

[gatamelata]

Duc like in the USSR there were already similar ones, only as far as I remember they had to ride on the railway without contact wires.

[Zaurbek]

The size of the rocket, it seems, was reduced. It should fit into a standard carriage. And not in a long 4-carriage, as before.

[Campanella]

So there was already an upgraded version?
In any case, it's a good thing, otherwise hamburgers have completely lost their fear.

[Zaurbek]

The point is the withdrawal from the MRBM treaty ... Now, MRBMs can be added to the usual means of attack, adjusted for modern accuracy ... and independence from carriers and air defense ... and one of our mine will be a couple of three times more missiles. So they are trying to find the answer.

[Wanderer_GO]

And yet, the Chinese correctly note "unlike their counterparts moving on a car chassis, it has a much higher carrying capacity" - it is nothing new - fired a shot and let's go home to the base - occupying the railway tracks. which may be needed for another ...
Here is a fundamentally different approach - the Mobile Missile Base (moreover, self-sufficient, both in terms of defense and supply.)
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[antivirus]

river barges can be placed anywhere, with or without a tug, + "maersk" all over the world. and the car is good, but not enough

[Zaurbek]

We also developed "bottom" options ...

[dauria]

river barges can be placed anywhere,

It's not about "secrecy" as many people think. And in the ability to get out of the first blow. For a flight time (10-30 minutes), a train turns out to be at any point on a 10-30 km long journey. Homing seeker has not yet been invented, it is also not an option to fill up the entire route with vigorous loafs.
The barge won't get that far. But an aircraft carrier at 30 nodes is easy. For 100 kt, 5 km is already a miss, a useless firecracker. So the train is a serious argument.

[PSih2097]

Quote: antivirus

river barges can be placed anywhere, with or without a tug, + "maersk" all over the world. and the car is good, but not enough

Club-K, replace the export version with the army version, put the Spets heads instead of the PF - you're done, plus you can shoot point-blank, as it was conceived on the nuclear submarine with the S-10 Granat, only from any sea vessel ...

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

What kind of missile? Only the Bulava fits into a covered wagon in the butt. And the lifting mechanisms, where to put additional supports? And believe me, a railway worker, crashes on the road network happen much more often than the media report. So you should not roll warheads on cities and towns, looking for adventure on your ass.

[vVvAD]

Indeed, thanks to new brands of high-energy propellants (and only them), the size and mass of the rocket have decreased. The cars were not just four-carts, but also transferred part of the mass to the same neighboring ones, respectively, unmasking. The usual railway tracks could not stand, the reconstruction into reinforced ones was expensive and noticeable both from space and to local residents, and thanks to this, the enemy was well aware of the area of ​​Molodtsev's plying, limited by these very reinforced routes. He also could not launch missiles from anywhere - there were special launch points with stationary positioning and the transfer of flight missions - all of them would have been attacked during the threatened period. In general, this influenced the rejection of it.
Thanks to the revolutionary changes in technologies, Barguzin has completely different possibilities: any railway line, not visually unmasked wagons, launch even in the middle of an open field.

[KCA]

You read about "Well done", there are a lot of articles, they had a special device for removing contact wires, and there is a photo with a lead

[venik]

Quote: gatamelata

Duc like in the USSR there were already similar

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Duc about this in the article it seems like it is written: ".....Its predecessor was a similar railway complex "Molodets" Soviet production... ..... ".

[Piramidon]

Quote: gatamelata

as far as I remember, they had to ride on the railway without contact wires.

He could "ride" both on electrified and on simple railways. A special device removed the contact wire before starting.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Quote: gatamelata

Duc like in the USSR there were already similar ones, only as far as I remember they had to ride on the railway without contact wires.

10 minutes after launch, the Molodets complex left the launch point, leaving the restored contact network.

[armored cat]

On any, only the rails along their route were reinforced. And the wires moved aside.

[Alekseev]

"... there were already such ..."
There were, but they were reduced, when the naive thought settled in the heads of both the leadership and ordinary citizens that, they say, the Americans and their vassals are "partners" who love free Russia, they, they say, only communists, or the Bolsheviks did not favor.
But to the topic. Here, they say, BZHRK is very appropriate, since it is difficult to track it on the developed railway network of Russia. And it is right!
But another network, a river network, is also quite developed in Russia. A barge with a missile system is no heavier than a carriage with it to disguise as a transport ship. Moreover, to drive a tractor with Yars onto such a watercraft and set off during navigation. AND
dry in winter ...
This I mean that some paranoid people in the United States and others should not jerk about, hoping for missile defense and similar "star wars", but sit quietly and peacefully coexist.

[7,62x54]

They pushed funny trailers, for example, to the Luzhskaya station. And then nat-nat, catch presents in both hands.

[viktor.]

Barguzin will also be intended for China.

[vVvAD]

By the way, who knows why the BZHRK did not appear in the United States - after all, they also worked in this direction?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: vVvAD

By the way, who knows why the BZHRK did not appear in the United States - after all, they also worked in this direction?

They also worked, they were almost ready. Before the collapse of the Union, they did not completely do it, and then they refused due to the lack of an enemy, complexity and high cost.
https://topwar.ru/67100-proekt-peacekeeper-rail-garrison-posledniy-raketnyy-poezd-ssha.html - Здесь всё расписано

[Bratkov Oleg]

Quote: vVvAD

By the way, who knows why the BZHRK did not appear in the United States - after all, they also worked in this direction?

Technically not mastered. Do not forget that they have never been on the Moon, and in general they flew into space only 20 (twenty) years after Gagarin's flight. In missiles, they are weak, and all their type of super achievements are obtained thanks to the deliberate inhibition of the Soviet economy, and Soviet space. And Yeltsin signed the complete destruction of the railway complexes, the agreement was fifty-fifty, the Americans are destroying one experimental car from which they ejected a mock rocket, without turning on the engines, and Russia has undertaken to destroy the entire ready, deployed network of trains on alert. A treaty in the best spirit of traitors to the motherland.

[A.TOR]

Where else to spend money ...

[venik]

Quote: A.TOR

Where else to spend money ...

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Who doesn't want to feed its army - will feed ALIEN!!! (Napoleon Bonaparte).

[A.TOR]

Aren't you tired of repeating platitudes?
The USSR fed the armed forces "from the puza" - so what?
There should be reasonable sufficiency, with the maximum possible financing of medicine, education and science - these are the true backbone of a powerful army and navy.
And the reincarnation of "Barguzin" strategically will not solve anything

[Grits]

Quote: A.TOR

And the reincarnation of "Barguzin" strategically will not solve anything

Is this your opinion as an expert in the field of strategic weapons? I'm not sure that you are such an expert who, moreover, has all the secret data of the Ministry of Defense.
And on the table of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, most likely, there were reports of real experts that, in the light of new technologies and developments, the security of mine or soil complexes has decreased. Or difficulties in entering the SSBN patrol area. Therefore, one more component of nuclear forces must be added.

[A.TOR]

Not a shisha lay there. In the first half of the 90s, a sea of ​​reports about the terrible fall in the stability of the Strategic Missile Forces was put on the table. However, the Americans have planned to cut many systems that were developed and are in service - there are no threats. They filmed in figs from aircraft carriers of CD with nuclear warheads, reduced everything that was possible, remained with 1 type of land-based and 1 sea-based ICBM. The stunning AGM-129 was removed from service, the B-1 was disarmed, etc. The only thing that really happened was the withdrawal from the missile defense system. Which, by the way, is easily countered by Russian technologies.
How many different differences does Russia have in terms of ICBMs? With a snotty budget and a somehow working economy, what threats can there be in reality to fend off with new costs?
It is necessary to fend off the monstrous state of higher education, the terrible drop in the level of secondary education, the collapse of the domestic machine tool industry, and so on. and so on.

[Free wind]

and did it help Napoleon a lot?

[Zaurbek]

It is best to buy American securities ... as well as investing in railway tracks, bridges, locomotives, wagons ...

[rocket757]

To start THIS, they are afraid, you must first know about IT, and even understand what for and how ... it is difficult, not for everyone.

[Campanella]

Recreate ... It was not necessary to destroy for the sake of the Americans.
Better late than never.

[Zaurbek]

All competences were in Ukraine. Let's see how we can create.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Zaurbek

The development of the Barguzin BZHRK was suspended in 2017, but now, as announced, it has been resumed again.

Barguzin was created and the prototype in 17 was already in the hardware. Why? Because then it was said that this BZHRD would be adopted in the 18-19 year. RS-26 Rubezh was created and passed all tests in 16 year. Moreover, a wheeled platform was created for it.

As I said back in 18, they will return to the Barguzin project. And I am sure that it will be so.

[Zaurbek]

I also noted this MZKT ...

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

The RS-26 is a shortened Yars with a launch range of up to 6000 km. Why do we need sub-missiles? For European partners? It is better to have full-fledged missiles so that they could please any partner.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

The RS-26 is a shortened Yars with a launch range of up to 6000 km. Why do we need sub-missiles? For European partners? It is better to have full-fledged missiles so that they could please any partner.

The frontier is a rocket specifically for the Europeans, and what the radius of this rocket can reach. And these are not very frail distances. For the United States, they are building Sarmat, rearming themselves with YARS, and Bulova.

[Cyril G ...]

Otherwise, we need to aim ICBMs on Geyrope and the PRC. Moreover, Rubezh, based somewhere near Novosib, is able to hit targets both in the West and in the East.

[soul]

The development of the Barguzin BZHRK was suspended in 2017, but now, as announced, it has been resumed again

Who announced it? A Chinese columnist? Where is the official announcement of the resumption of work?

[Glory to Berkut]

The official message on the rocket is drawn. Delivered with notification

[1536]

Can you dream? Along with this, the BZHDK also needs to build a railway bridge across the Berengov Strait between Cape Dezhnev and Cape Uelsky Ave. We will drive straight to the foe under the guise of a freight train and secure our foothold in the very north of the North American continent. Not all of them to occupy Lithuania and Poland, and threaten us from there with a military attack.

[askort154]

We are talking about the Barguzin combat railway missile system (BZHRK), which can enter service with the Russian army in 3-5 years. This is reported by the Chinese Internet portal Sina.

Exactly a year ago, we already discussed this topic here. (article by Korotchenko)
Then, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, answering the question of whether Russia will return to the BZHRK project after the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty, replied that this is unlikely to happen, but added that this is his personal opinion.
And today, the Chinese Internet portal Sina tells us that in 3-5 years, "Barguzin" can enter service with the Russian army.
As they say, with his lips, but drink beer.
If this happens in 5 years, then Sina will become an "icon" for me!

[Aleksandr1971]

Most likely, Sina is simply lying in this matter and does not take money.

[Incvizitor]

Iran clearly lacks railway wagons and North Korea

[Antidote]

They create, close, recreate, "no money, hold on", and again in a circle. So a Chinese analyst has arrived to pick my nose.

[voyaka uh]

And if Poseidon armed with a Petrel is immersed in Barguzin, then you can arrange such a surprise for the Americans!
Their intelligence vaaashche will not understand: where is a steam locomotive of 100 mega tons, and where will an atomic torpedo fly?
Their AI will go crazy and burn out from such a super task, and then again: the horn of a locomotive and a tsunami at the same time! Bye-bye America ...

[gatamelata]

Best of all comments!
Only about the nuclear diesel locomotive should be mentioned, so that until 2036 it will ride on the rails without stopping.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: gatamelata

Best of all comments!

This is just a clumsy attempt at a joke from an Israeli runner.
Although, as it turns out, they also have their own audience - you have found each other.

[vitvit123]

Yes, we remember, we remember that all cartoons ...

[Sergey Valov]

Finding this complex will be pretty easy. The complex will include 10 - 12 cars. The question is, where do freight trains with so many wagons travel across Russia? I propose not to consider it as absurd to hook up a few dozen empty ones, or hook up a complex with ballistic missiles to a regular freight train. Once discovered, the rocket train will be constantly followed from space. But its vulnerability is very high, and it is very difficult to protect it. And the choice of routes is rather limited, because it is highly undesirable to come close to large settlements. I am sure there are still a lot of pitfalls.

[APASUS]

Quote: Sergey Valov

But its vulnerability is very high

For the rocket to hit the window, satellites hang over this place and scan the weather conditions and so on, for a couple of weeks. This is so about the simplicity of destruction.

[Sergey Valov]

Terrorists and saboteurs don't give a damn about it. How to protect against them? Five kilometers within a radius of the composition of all the two-legged to drive away? Including in the taiga? How to protect from quadcopters? How to protect yourself from a primitive mine under the rails? How to ensure security and anonymity at the same time at commodity stations? How to ensure safety when crossing bridges over tracks?

[APASUS]

Quote: Sergey Valov

Terrorists and saboteurs don't give a damn about it. How to protect against them? Five kilometers within a radius of the composition of all the two-legged to drive away? Including in the taiga? How to protect from quadcopters? How to protect yourself from a primitive mine under the rails? How to ensure security and anonymity at the same time at commodity stations? How to ensure safety when crossing bridges over tracks?

How old are you, what are the questions like a schoolboy? How is the protection of bridges and structures, rolling stock ensured?

[Sergey Valov]

Did you understand that we are not talking about the protection of bridges and rolling stock, but about the protection of ICBMs on alert?

[bk316]

The question is, where do freight trains with so many wagons travel across Russia?

Firstly, there are many places, for example Bologoye-Ostashkov
And secondly, why not attach a dozen 2 empty ones?

[Sergey Valov]

Of course, somewhere short trains run, but this is very rare, uneconomical. You can attach empty cars, but then they will also have to be guarded, maintained, stored somewhere, they will stand out if they are empty, and add load to the locomotive, if they are loaded, more space will be required at stopping points.

[bk316]

You can attach empty wagons, but then they will also have to be guarded, serviced, stored somewhere

You might think that someone is going to kick up hundreds of such complexes. Everything that you wrote in the amount of several dozen trains is just a ridiculous spear, against the background of, for example, the maintenance of the flight management or the structure of the submarine service.

[Sergey Valov]

The fewer ICBM trains, the fewer sabotage groups will be required for their simultaneous destruction.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Sergey Valov

The question is, where do freight trains with so many wagons travel across Russia?

Postal and passenger ??? I saw something like that ...

[armored cat]

They cling to the usual composition.

[iouris]

Do you have these 3-5 years?

[Old26]

which can go into service with the Russian army in 3-5 years. This is reported by the Chinese Internet portal Sina.

Analytics from Sina. No comment

Quote: Campanella

Recreate ... It was not necessary to destroy for the sake of the Americans.
Better late than never.

Destroyed not to please the Americans. The warranty periods have passed, and only the one who created this complex could extend the service life. That is, Ukraine

Quote: NEXUS

Barguzin was created and the prototype in 17 was already in the hardware. Why? Because then it was said that this BZHRD would be adopted in the 18-19 year. RS-26 Rubezh was created and passed all tests in 16 year. Moreover, a wheeled platform was created for it.

We can say anything they want. In our country, for example, "Sarmat" was supposed to go to LI in 2017, and where are these flight crews? Moved unknown how much to the right? The same is with Barguzin. At the end of 2015, only the first stage of OCD ended, but a year later you already had it in the hardware?

Even in the state defense order until 2026-2027, "Barguzin" is not listed. And they already want it in service 3 years later. The Minsk dwellers created a wheeled chassis and it was tested. But then he was "stabbed" by KAMAZ with its KAMAZ-7850 chassis

Quote: NEXUS

As I said back in 18, they will return to the Barguzin project. And I'm sure that's exactly what it will be

I'm not sure. Building a garden for the sake of one division - throwing out billions and trillions of rubles on a complex that no one needs

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Old26

I'm not sure. Building a garden for the sake of one division - throwing out billions and trillions of rubles on a complex that no one needs

Mobile wheeled vehicles are more efficient in my opinion ...
Although I like the idea with the Courier much more than Barguzin and Poseidon. And it looks more adequate ..

[Aag]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Quote: Old26

I'm not sure. Building a garden for the sake of one division - throwing out billions and trillions of rubles on a complex that no one needs

Mobile wheeled vehicles are more efficient in my opinion ...
Although I like the idea with the Courier much more than Barguzin and Poseidon. And it looks more adequate ..

In the picture, without delving into the topic, yes.
Not so long ago, it was already discussed here ...
What's the point of Poseidon? We are discussing the mobile ground component of the strategic nuclear forces.
The secrecy of the "Courier" is an illusion. Can you imagine how many units are included in the PGRK? How to ensure the safety of the complex on the march? No, not from saboteurs, with this and the "Yars" have problems, but from a "mad" dump truck with rubble, for example. positions at the "Courier", apparently, is not foreseen. For how can he get to them (no off-road capability), how to protect them, defend them? Disguise them as terminals, commodity bases? Utopia. In this sense, BZHRK is preferable, railway infrastructure - depots, bridges, dead ends, - in different ways, but they are guarded as such. Some are quite serious. There is where to hide. And the positional area can be very extensive ... Yes, there is a lot more that can be cited as arguments ...
Believe me, not everything is so wonderful with the Courier ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: AAG

What's the point of Poseidon?

Poseidon means that this is, uh, wasted money. To put it mildly.

[Aag]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Quote: AAG

What's the point of Poseidon?

Poseidon means that this is, uh, wasted money. To put it mildly.

Got it ...
I can’t rate, not special. Submariners write (so far) - crap.
But "Courier" (IMHO) - from the same opera ... Under "Iskander" - maybe. Let the operatives speak out ..

[Aag]

"... on a complex that nobody needs ..."
Well, I will say this, many colleagues from those who happened to serve on the BZHRK were very worried when he was sentenced ... And it's not just about the conditions of carrying the database)).
Imagine, quickly deploy an ICBM division, say, from Kolomna to Khabarovsk. I think this can be solved with the Barguzin. And more efficiently than, for example, transferring an SSBN from one fleet to another. Let the USA their AUG and chase the ball, and we are more modest: Erdogan wagged, the wind from Lake Baikal carried to Rostov, Japan remembered about the islands, it blew in Vladik ... So, play with flying time, and cheer up their SPRN ...

[pleschakovai]

It's high time to revive the Barguzin project !!! The designers will think over everything, the military-industrial complex will put it into practice and the General Staff will adopt it !!! The printing press will provide development and implementation with money and there will be no collapse in the economy !!! The goals are known, the service personnel will train, and only forward, to defend our Motherland - the Russian Federation !!!

[Igor Litvin]

Quote: Sergey Valov

Terrorists and saboteurs don't give a damn about it. How to protect against them? Five kilometers within a radius of the composition of all the two-legged to drive away? Including in the taiga? How to protect from quadcopters? How to protect yourself from a primitive mine under the rails? How to ensure security and anonymity at the same time at commodity stations? How to ensure safety when crossing bridges over tracks?

When I was on board our Pioneers, the question arose - how to protect the launching missile from the enemy's DRG MANPADS? Campaign - no way.

[Igor Litvin]

Quote: AAG

Quote: Cyril G ...

Quote: Old26

I'm not sure. Building a garden for the sake of one division - throwing out billions and trillions of rubles on a complex that no one needs

Mobile wheeled vehicles are more efficient in my opinion ...
Although I like the idea with the Courier much more than Barguzin and Poseidon. And it looks more adequate ..

In the picture, without delving into the topic, yes.
Not so long ago, it was already discussed here ...
What's the point of Poseidon? We are discussing the mobile ground component of the strategic nuclear forces.
The secrecy of the Courier is an illusion. Can you imagine how many units are included in the PGRK? How to ensure the safety of the complex on the march? No, not from saboteurs, with this and the Yars have problems, but from a "mad" dump truck with rubble, for example .. ..
Believe me, not everything is so wonderful with the Courier ...

The absolute truth! Our Pioneer division stretched for half a kilometer! The division includes many vehicles: from diesel power plants to KShM and BRDMki. I don’t believe that the level of automation of the Courier made it possible to hide EVERYTHING in one car!

And BZHRK is simply monitored by a computer tracking system for railway wagons - sign a contract, pay and - pliz, sir! It is enough for this once to establish a correspondence between the number of the "gondola" and the rocket car.