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Efremov was sentenced to a real term

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Efremov was sentenced to a real term

Actor Mikhail Efremov, found guilty of a fatal road accident, was sentenced to a real term. Reportedly, a judge of the Presnensky court in Moscow sentenced Efremov to 8 years in a general regime colony.


To impose a sentence of 8 years in a general regime colony

- Judge Elena Abramova announced the verdict.

The actor was taken into custody right in the courtroom, before that he was under house arrest. As it became known earlier, Efremov arrived at the court without his belongings, however, during the court session, a car drove up to his house, into which a bag was loaded, apparently with the actor's things, prepared in advance in case of a verdict with a real term.

During the meeting, the prosecutor demanded from the judge almost the maximum term for Efremov - 11 years in prison with a three-year ban on driving after his release. The defense insisted on the commutation of the sentence, citing as examples the awards of the actor, dependent children, etc. As a result, the judge stopped at 8 years of imprisonment in a general regime colony.

An accident involving a drunken Efremov happened on June 8 in the evening. While driving his SUV, Efremov drove into the oncoming lane and collided with a small van, the driver of which received injuries incompatible with life. Initially, the actor pleaded guilty to the incident, but later refused to testify, saying that he did not remember anything, and he might not have been driving ...
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  1. Serg65
    Serg65 8 September 2020 13: 17
    56
    the judge stopped at 8 years of imprisonment in a general regime colony.

    Personally, it suits me, 8 years is the same good period for this half-man !!!
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 21
      23
      Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?
      1. Vend
        Vend 8 September 2020 13: 36
        +6
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

        I wonder if the verdict will be appealed?
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 39
          13
          Probably yes. But this will not change anything - appeal, cassation. It will be an attempt at ABOS - will it work or not.
          1. zwlad
            zwlad 8 September 2020 14: 02
            +3
            Can easily ride.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 05
              +8
              Can easily ride.

              The reasons for this? For a ride, it is necessary that the appeal finds any serious irregularities in the case.
              1. zwlad
                zwlad 8 September 2020 14: 07
                +1
                They will find an error in the design of which thread of the protocol and catch on to it.
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 13
                  14
                  They will find an error in the design of which thread of the protocol and catch on to it.

                  Do you think that the snoopers made a mistake with such a public outcry? And the Prosecutor's Office did not see this during the check? Hardly.
                  1. zwlad
                    zwlad 8 September 2020 14: 16
                    +5
                    The human factor has not been canceled. But as they say - we'll take a look.
                    1. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 24
                      +9
                      Good lawyers first study the documents of the preliminary investigation. To find flaws in them and to recognize these documents (which secure the evidence) inadmissible. Pashayev's team most likely dug their nose around for this purpose. But not destiny.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 8 September 2020 14: 41
                        28
                        Mikhail Efremov deserved what he got - and at a minimum.
                        Do not feel sorry for him! Of course, you can sympathize with a person that he so ineptly disposed of his life - starred, drank, used drugs .. It is his own fault. He knew what he was doing.
                        He will organize his own theater in the colony and perform roles in performances with prisoners. Lives - will not be lost. They will be released on parole later.
                      2. Gato
                        Gato 8 September 2020 15: 14
                        +7
                        Lives - will not be lost

                        Maybe at the same time they will cure alcoholism
                      3. NKT
                        NKT 8 September 2020 15: 58
                        25
                        I always have a question, why is a drunk driving and even in a fatal accident not deprived of his rights for life, but only for three years?
                      4. Gato
                        Gato 8 September 2020 18: 19
                        +6
                        but only for three years?

                        Apparently because the largest number of inmates in such cases (without fatalities) are taxers, long-range attackers, etc. If such a person will fall back on parole in a year or two - what should he do? Although I personally think: getting drunk behind the wheel is already a criminal offense without talking with a real term.
                    2. Alena Frolovna
                      Alena Frolovna 8 September 2020 18: 53
                      +9
                      To impose a sentence of 8 years in a general regime colony

                    3. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 9 September 2020 19: 42
                      +2
                      The natural ending of the bastard. The only pity is that it is not enough. And I am VERY surprised that there are no private definitions to the address of the no less scoundrel Pashayev and the false witnesses brought by him !!!
                  2. nod739
                    nod739 8 September 2020 19: 20
                    -17 qualifying.
                    For premeditated murder 6 is given .. wassat And here 8, and this despite the fact that even 4 years ago, there was a ceiling of 5 for such an accident ...
                    It's strange all the same
                  3. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 9 September 2020 00: 04
                    10
                    nod739 (Sergey)
                    For premeditated murder 6 is given ..
                    Don't put an owl on the globe. According to Article 105 of the Criminal Code, the term is from 6 to 15 years, while in order to get six years under it, there must be VERY extenuating circumstances, well, or the parents are prosecutors or judges.
              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 8 September 2020 15: 05
                +6
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Pashayev's team was most likely digging their nose for this purpose.

                Alex, hi ... What team can this freak have with claims to a lawyer? laughing
              3. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 9 September 2020 12: 25
                -1
                Sash, greetings, hi Well, was it smart enough to come to Maybach? laughing
                I think that Pashayev went into this business for the sake of PR and hype. Many lawyers (well known) refused to defend. And this one is straight with such enthusiasm !!!
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 8 September 2020 15: 05
          11
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Do you think that the snoopers made a mistake with such a public outcry? And the Prosecutor's Office did not see this during the check? Hardly.

          But the judge, all these pseudo-American bells and whistles in court, clearly got it. Efremov is dear there, and science to others. Don't wake up dashing while it's quiet. I would have been a man at first, I wouldn’t shake, I would have received the same eight years of settlement (not a colony), and hello.
        3. Turist1996
          Turist1996 8 September 2020 19: 47
          0
          It is easy to wait for the "glow" to decrease! Society is happy, and after 1-2-3 years no one will remember what happened. Who remembers "offhand" the name of the deceased? Huh ?!
          Personally, I couldn't, although she was on the news. Everything "scored" with the name of Efremov himself ... And then there will be more.
    2. SanSanych Gusev
      SanSanych Gusev 9 September 2020 17: 26
      0
      Kokorin and Mamaev got a ride
  2. Nikolai Korovin
    Nikolai Korovin 8 September 2020 14: 22
    +5
    On appeal, they will knock off a couple of years, but parole for exemplary behavior ... 3-4 years will serve in a prison club.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 September 2020 14: 39
    +3
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Probably yes. But this will not change anything - appeal, cassation. It will be an attempt at ABOS - will it work or not.

    There will be no cassation - there are no violations of legal norms by the court.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 10 September 2020 14: 23
      +1
      Albert, if the appeal is admitted, then maybe.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 September 2020 16: 13
        0
        If the second instance discovers fundamental violations of procedural legislation, then of course, but with this lawyer, this would have surfaced even in the Presnensky Court hi
  • NKT
    NKT 8 September 2020 15: 55
    +2
    In the courts of first instance, they try to give as much as possible, since the next court can either leave or reduce the term.
    1. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 9 September 2020 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: NKT
      In the courts of first instance, they try to give as much as possible, since the next court can either leave or reduce the term.

      There are times when, on the contrary, they add. So the appeal is a double-edged sword.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 8 September 2020 13: 42
    29
    Most likely there will be, but the case has gained a great resonance and more than one judge will not dare to reduce the term ... for this many thanks to Pashaev laughing
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 8 September 2020 14: 39
      -11 qualifying.
      It is of course, but ... The severity of the laws of the Russian Empire was always mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation.
  • BAI
    BAI 8 September 2020 15: 37
    +1
    They will definitely be. The term is expected to be reduced to 5-7 years. Therefore, the figure from the verdict (8 years) is not even discussed. Everyone is waiting for the final verdict.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 8 September 2020 13: 39
    0
    Quote: Okolotochny
    killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence

    They will say that this is a non-system error !!! wink
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 September 2020 14: 03
    +3
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

    When he has served his full sentence, then we'll see. I remember that Vasiliev was also sentenced normally.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 08
      +5
      And what does "serve"? Efremov was found guilty by the court's verdict, after 10 days the verdict will come into legal force. The question was "raised" about the "inadequacy of jurisprudence", that "they are dragging on for so long," that it will be "surely discarded", etc. Did you drag it for a long time? Have you smeared it? Connoisseurs of figs.
  • senima56
    senima56 8 September 2020 14: 14
    +1
    They are already "balaboling" that "they will not be in prison all the time"! hi negative
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 16
      +2
      So their business is. Cry and talk about. hi
    2. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 8 September 2020 14: 44
      +5
      The prosecutor was stern. The court has already knocked off a little. The court of appeal will also find some reason. Then parole. The picture is quite real. Did Mamaev and Kokorin sit for a long time? They are already hitting the ball somewhere. Okay. Here, the picture was actually not quite clear. And here, with complete clarity, a terrible screech that an innocent person was being tried. They will give a handout to the creative intelligentsia.
    3. BAI
      BAI 8 September 2020 15: 43
      +4
      Will not be. 3 months of house arrest will be credited as 1,5 months in prison. He has already served part of the term.
  • iouris
    iouris 8 September 2020 14: 35
    +2
    1) There are different categories of cases. This case does not affect the interests of the state or a large (well, very large) business.
    2) Actually, jurisprudence and the judicial system are completely different things. Absolutely.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 10 September 2020 14: 26
      -1
      Actually, jurisprudence and the judicial system are completely different things. Absolutely.

      Don't teach your father ... and that's it ...
  • Campanella
    Campanella 8 September 2020 14: 48
    +5
    This is not the problem. The Soviet "cruel" system kept such people within limits, while the current liberal system instilled the understanding that money is everything. So the first words of Efremov after the accident were "I will cure him, I have a lot of money"
    Dad kept him within the framework thanks to the system, and how he would lead now, Allah only knows ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 September 2020 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Campanella
      Daddy kept it in line thanks to the system

      Do not worry. Mikhail Olegovich keeps within the framework of the "system". The decision has not yet entered into legal force. Soon you yourself will see the consequences of the "terrible Presnensky trial."
      Efremov is not the problem. The problem is in the rights of the whole social ("super-elite") class, in particular, in the fact that the right of a class to ride in a state of alcoholic and drug intoxication is questioned. The life of a law-abiding citizen, or rather a subject, was estimated by the court according to the existing methods, it seems, at 800 FER. I think this is the "elite" pocket money.
      As for Oleg Efremov, he foresaw everything: he took part in the filming of the film "Beware of the car!" There the main character Yuri Detochkin plays "Hamlet" while in prison. Something like this.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 8 September 2020 15: 01
    0
    Nobody canceled the amnesty or deliberate mistake of the judge.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 September 2020 15: 07
    15
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

    It was a show trial and show punishment. Okhlobystin, being the godfather of Efremov in VK, wrote a petition addressed to Putin to pardon Efremov, arguing that Mishenka would not stupidly survive and would die.
    You know, on the first of August my son was hit by a car. Hip fracture, psychological trauma, etc. This 23-year-old mountain Schumacher shines from 4 to 8 years, and a real term, since the classification is "Application of heavy bodily" ...
    And the investigator who is leading this case said, I do not understand why the cases of road accidents are not considered in the same way as beating or murder, for which real terms are given. Why, if he killed a person with a knife, it may be 15 and 25 years old, and if he knocked him down "dullly", it is up to 12 years old? The man was killed! And what difference does it make, a car or a knife?
    For me, the timing should be without taking into account whether it is an accident or a murder or injury in the alley.
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 September 2020 15: 47
      19
      I understand you, of course, but manslaughter in an accident is one thing, and a knife is another. We all walk under God. But an accident in a state of intoxication (alcoholic or narcotic) should be considered as an attempted murder (in my not enlightened opinion).
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 8 September 2020 15: 51
        -1
        Quote: BAI
        Of course, I understand, but manslaughter in an accident is one thing, and a knife is another.

        The definition of UNINTELLIGENT is funny. I didn’t want to, and I didn’t even UNDERSTAND that it could be that way, and bam ... the corpse was drawn. 2,5 tons of iron to disperse, and finally can not think that such a drin is capable of killing.
        It doesn't matter how they were killed; it makes no difference whether the victim was stabbed to death or leveled with a car with asphalt. This idiocy about the unintentional was specially created for lawyers to eat their bread and caviar.
        1. Turist1996
          Turist1996 8 September 2020 19: 52
          +1
          I completely agree with you !!!! Neither subtract nor add !!!
          1. Vladimir Demyanov
            Vladimir Demyanov 9 September 2020 15: 15
            0
            I advise everyone to look at the comments on strana.ua Clearly Understand (this is a Ukrainian site) by Alesya Medvedeva about the trial of Efremov.
            I would have dropped the link, but it didn't work. Very interesting comparisons. You will not regret. You can on YouTube
      2. iouris
        iouris 8 September 2020 16: 02
        +3
        Quote: BAI
        but manslaughter in an accident is one thing, but a knife is another.

        Unintentional murder was committed by a well-known popularizer of history: he was sober.
        Here it is precisely "premeditated murder", murder with aggravated circumstances. If the court left out the fact that the offender got behind the wheel in a state of alcoholic drug intoxication, this means that the court of first instance left the opportunity to reduce the punishment in the court of appeal, since in the higher court only the legality of the sentence is checked, but the facts are not investigated.
    2. Obliterator
      Obliterator 8 September 2020 22: 41
      +6
      Quote: NEXUS
      And the investigator who is leading this case said, I do not understand why the cases of road accidents are not considered in the same way as beating or murder, for which real terms are given. Why, if he killed a person with a knife, it may be 15 and 25 years old, and if he knocked him down "dullly", it is up to 12 years old? The man was killed! And what difference does it make, a car or a knife?

      A bad investigator means. At the university, I did not go to classes in criminal law at all, otherwise I would not have asked such questions. However, not all tracers have a higher legal education.
      Quote: NEXUS
      The definition of UNINTELLIGENT is funny. I didn’t want to, and I didn’t even UNDERSTAND that it could be that way, and bam ... the corpse was drawn. 2,5 tons of iron to disperse, and finally can not think that such a drin is capable of killing.
      It doesn't matter how they were killed; it makes no difference whether the victim was stabbed to death or leveled with a car with asphalt. This idiocy about the unintentional was specially created for lawyers to eat their bread and caviar.

      I will conduct a small educational program - murder cannot be unintentional. Murder is always deliberate, and such an article can be imputed only to the person who directly wished death to another person. The concept of "manslaughter" was invented by people who do not know or know little about criminal law. For other cases, there is an article "Causing death by negligence", which is not accidentally called that.
    3. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 9 September 2020 04: 31
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Why, if he killed a person with a knife, it may be 15 and 25 years old, and if he knocked him down "dullly", it is up to 12 years old? The man was killed! And what difference does it make, a car or a knife?

      There is the concept of murder, and there is the concept of causing death by negligence. Murder presupposes the presence of intent to kill the victim. In an accident, the driver has no intent to kill. Quite different things, it's stupid not to understand. I agree that speeding or alcohol intoxication should be an aggravating factor. But it is. Here is a very realistic period.
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 9 September 2020 11: 11
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
        I agree that speeding or drunkenness should be an aggravating factor.

        And it is aggravating, and not so sour. An accident with a fatal outcome committed by a sober driver is a moderate crime, the maximum term is five years in prison. The same thing, but a drunk driver is an especially serious crime, the term is from five to twelve years. And no colony settlement.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 8 September 2020 15: 36
    +2
    Quote: Okolotochny
    members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case.

    If this whole farce can be called jurisprudence ... Any hard worker would have been in such a situation in a pre-trial detention center, and not under house arrest, and not for three months, but at least a year. And the meetings would not drag on for weeks, but in a couple of hours they would be sent to the box. As for the "sufferer" Efremov, the sentence does not seem to be severe (three years from the maximum were cut off - for what? - taking into account alcohol and drugs, as well as the lack of remorse, or rather, conscience). Now we are waiting: either he will be released on parole in three years and ten months, or will fall under an amnesty. Now he is probably inspired by the example of Vasilyeva.
    And how did the court assess the life of the man killed by Ephraim? In eight hundred thousand kill. Truly, life is priceless ... Efremov probably spent many times more on a stupid lawyer.
    But the court as if highlighted the filthy "creative" get-together - and those who yelled under the walls the loan "Shame!" to the judges, and all sorts of bitches and okhlobystins, associates in drunkenness.
    1. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 9 September 2020 04: 37
      +4
      Quote: astepanov
      Any hard worker would have been in jail in such a situation, not under house arrest, and not for three months, but at least a year.

      Not a fact. I know situations when the driver was not limited in any way before the trial, although there was also a fatal accident, they hit a kid on a zebra crossing. Here is how the judge decides. And Efremov was given house arrest, most likely so that he would not go abroad.
    2. your1970
      your1970 9 September 2020 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: astepanov
      Any hard worker would be in such a situation in a pre-trial detention center, and not under house arrest, and not for three months, but year least.

      And right there
      Quote: astepanov
      And the meetings would not drag on for weeks, but for couple of hours would be sent to the bunker.

      fool fool
      You yourself do you hear? So a year for a hard worker or a couple of hours ???
      Quote: astepanov
      three years from the maximum knocked off - for what? - taking into account alcohol and drugs, as well as lack of remorse, or rather, conscience

      If a person has not been involved earlier, this alone is enough for the court to consider the punishment from the minimum. In addition, the court took into account the children and the awards ... And no matter how wild it was to extinguish part of the claims, they declared 3 rubles, he paid 3 rubles ...

      The increase in the term from 5 to 8 years - just included drunkenness and lack of remorse.
      There are no tariffs on the cost of human life - the court proceeds from its beliefs and the reality of collection. Or it was necessary to collect one hundred billion - knowing in advance that he would not pay them ???
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 10 September 2020 14: 30
      0
      If this whole farce can be called jurisprudence

      This "booth" was arranged by the media and "grateful listeners" and "commentators" like you, who always shout ATU HIS and who are absolutely not satisfied with anything. Here is your comment for jurisprudence from the category of BALAGAN.
  • BAI
    BAI 8 September 2020 15: 41
    +2
    And the deadline is not final - there will be an appeal. Moreover, everyone admits that Efremov received additional years (2 - 3 years) thanks to a lawyer, with another lawyer, the appeal period will be reduced.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 September 2020 16: 23
    -3
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

    Should I give you facts on issues of Russian jurisprudence, or do you yourself remember the cases of bygone days? Yes, any Neefremov would have received a full term and would have sat from call to call, and this one would serve half of the term in some camp club and be released on parole. Perhaps I can still see this and present to you the fact of "blatant suitability." You just remember sometimes:

    hi
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 8 September 2020 19: 29
      +4
      Yuri, but you can steal the "railroad" itself, together with trains and a depot ... PRIVATIZATION is called bully
      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 10 September 2020 10: 06
        0
        Quote: cat Rusich
        Yuri, but you can steal the "railroad" itself, together with trains and a depot ... PRIVATIZATION is called bully

        already: carriage and locomotive have long been separated from Russian Railways, logistics too, I myself work in the locomotive depot at TO-3, I know what I am talking about, now we are called OJSC Lokotech SLD-Yugra, well, we are checked by all sorts of Russian Railways services and GCD (chief branches of the road), but the office has long been private.
        Privatization ...
    2. Obliterator
      Obliterator 8 September 2020 23: 03
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Yes, any Neefremov would have received a full term and would have sat from call to call, and this one would serve half of the term in some camp club and be released on parole.

      Any Neefremov, without the presence of dough and connections, but with at least a little bit of brainwashed, would not start a clowning and act on the nerves of the investigation, the prosecutor's office and the court, admitting guilt, and would receive a shorter sentence. And in prison, behaving like a good girl, I would have received my parole without any problems.
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 9 September 2020 04: 39
        +2
        otherwise I would get a settlement
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 10 September 2020 14: 35
      -2
      You leave your emotions, and preferably write facts. You have the main message - Any Would, got Would... Well, give the facts? You don't have them. One old-fashioned demagoguery. Efremov got a real term? What are you still not happy with? I'll tell you more, the driver is Major FSO (guess who has such a driver?), Knocked down a man to death, sober, I don't know all the circumstances, but these are the main ones. Received a real term and served 2 years. And in the USSR, the courts did not excuse the children of party bigwigs, stars, etc.?
  • nod739
    nod739 8 September 2020 19: 17
    0
    For the deliberate from 6 give, it's strange even so recourse
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 8 September 2020 19: 39
    +1
    And the members of the forum had quite a reasonable justification for that - as an example: a certain Mara Baghdasyaryan .. So what about "being killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" - you shouldn't be so.
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 September 2020 16: 20
      0
      Mara - no matter how strange it is - she didn't kill anyone ...
      And what she got is everything within the framework of the current laws ...
  • PROVINCIAL
    PROVINCIAL 9 September 2020 10: 20
    +2
    September 4, 2019 the settlement of Melekhovo, Vladimir region. The accident killed two children at the crosswalk. The trial of the culprit is still not over. Russian jurisprudence you say?
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 9 September 2020 14: 51
    0
    Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

    I do not know which of the members of the forum was "killed"! But I know for sure - to promise does not mean to marry. The term was given, but whether he will serve it or not is a moot point. The well-known "artist" for help in stealing many billions, was convicted, received a real term, six months later she was released on parole. Will serve 8 years, I will say, yes the system works. Will not serve, no options. And I'm not at all sure that he will actually serve in the colony. They will be taken abroad and that's it. You never know the Efremovs in Russia. Maybe he will live abroad! Surely there is a "house in the village" there.
  • seti
    seti 8 September 2020 13: 21
    25
    Quote: Serg65

    Personally, it suits me, 8 years is the same good period for this half-man !!!

    For someone else's life? For me, it won't be enough against the wall. It would be okay to be sober, it would be fine because of fatigue or just a matter of chance. And when drunk and on drugs ... We are kind. 8 years then only with the condition of sending the forest to the Kolyma to cut down.
    1. Vend
      Vend 8 September 2020 13: 43
      +4
      Quote: seti
      Quote: Serg65

      Personally, it suits me, 8 years is the same good period for this half-man !!!

      For someone else's life? For me, it won't be enough against the wall. It would be okay to be sober, it would be fine because of fatigue or just a matter of chance. And when drunk and on drugs ... We are kind. 8 years then only with the condition of sending the forest to the Kolyma to cut down.

      In the United States, they could generally be released or given conditionally, under the signature he collaborated with the investigation laughing
      1. senima56
        senima56 8 September 2020 14: 17
        +7
        And when did Efremov "cooperate with the investigation"? He tried to confuse the whole process: "I am not me and the horse is not mine!" fool
        1. Vend
          Vend 8 September 2020 15: 13
          +2
          Quote: senima56
          And when did Efremov "cooperate with the investigation"? He tried to confuse the whole process: "I am not me and the horse is not mine!" fool

          And where did I write that Efremov collaborated with the investigation?
      2. HAM
        HAM 8 September 2020 14: 53
        +1
        But in the same place they can slap on the spot for a toy pistol ... lol
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 8 September 2020 13: 46
      -1
      Nooo, against the wall is, on the contrary, the most humane sentence, and in Kolyma, as I know, there are no zones, but Perm Parma or Labytnangi ... they will even be very useful to him!
    3. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 8 September 2020 14: 48
      +2
      Oh well ... Who will entrust him with the ax? Is that a small hatchet - chop off the smallest branches. It is necessary to be able to do this, and to have a certain physical development. To instruct him to fill up something on his own, at least not very large, is sure to put it on someone. Even experienced lumberjacks sometimes make mistakes.
    4. Campanella
      Campanella 8 September 2020 14: 50
      -1
      How much is our life worth?
    5. Trevis
      Trevis 8 September 2020 15: 24
      +2
      Quote: seti
      and someone else's life? For me, it won't be enough against the wall.

      Well, for this drunkard 8 years in prison, consider the death sentence.
    6. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 8 September 2020 19: 33
      +1
      Matvey, M. Efremov for a fatal accident in a drunken state was given only 3 years of deprivation of rights ... I propose - life deprivation of rights for a fatal accident.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 8 September 2020 13: 22
    +4
    On parole in four will be released ...
    1. Well done
      Well done 8 September 2020 13: 34
      -8
      "Artist" will not come out alive. 100%
    2. Vend
      Vend 8 September 2020 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: Mouse
      On parole in four will be released ...


      And this may be, because Khodorkovsky was released.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 8 September 2020 13: 44
        +3
        Khodorkovsky did not drink so much in the wild.
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 09
        +4
        Hodor was pardoned. He was denied parole. And (in my opinion) repeatedly, 2 times for sure.
      3. your1970
        your1970 9 September 2020 16: 22
        0
        Khodorkovsky spent almost five months from one call to another, and was released on pardon
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 8 September 2020 13: 47
      +4
      Let him rewind them first .......
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 8 September 2020 13: 48
      0
      It may well be ... but the 24-year will bring us a lot of interesting events wink
    5. The Word of the Word
      The Word of the Word 8 September 2020 13: 49
      +2
      It seems like on parole only for terms up to 8 years .. He does not fall into this category.
      1. kit88
        kit88 8 September 2020 14: 20
        20
        Quote: Freedom of the Word
        It seems like on parole only for terms up to 8 years .. He does not fall into this category.

        You have the wrong info.
        This condition, according to Article 73 of the Criminal Code, is possible if the term is up to 8.
        And parole is applicable according to Article 79 of the Criminal Code even to those sentenced to life imprisonment (after 25 years of imprisonment). Graduation in serving 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5 of the term, depending on the severity of the crime.
        In our case, you really need to serve 2/3 of the term (5 years 4 months) to apply for parole.
        1. The Word of the Word
          The Word of the Word 8 September 2020 18: 15
          +3
          Thanks for the detailed, detailed answer!
    6. Eragon
      Eragon 8 September 2020 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: Mouse
      On parole in four will be released ...

      Likely. It seems to me that there is no reason to give the maximum term - yes, he was drunk, but, nevertheless, this is manslaughter. If he had not been showing off, but immediately repented and cooperated with the investigation, he would probably have received the minimum five. Let him say thanks to his lawyer, it was he who clocked the eight with his advice. And so, yes, for exemplary behavior, active participation in camp life - for any parole. There is another option - pardon. But this is also, like, after serving at least half of the term.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 11
        +7
        The President can pardon even the next day after the entry into force of the verdict. But something tells me that VVP will not do this. Efremov will wind up a real term.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 8 September 2020 14: 52
          0
          He will not do it himself, but at the request of the "creative" intelligentsia it may well.
          Most likely he will be released due to his health ...
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 19
        +3
        active participation in camp life

        I can swang what kind of participation - in the Zonovsky theater))) That is where his grateful spectators will be. On the YouTube channel, Efremov gave a sketch like a striped robe. As he looked into the water. Vangovatel.
      3. kit88
        kit88 8 September 2020 14: 34
        12
        In Art. 85 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Pardon", nothing is said about half the term.
        A pardon is carried out by the President of the Russian Federation in relation to an individually defined person.

        A recent high-profile example is Putin's pardon of the Israeli woman Naamu Issachar, who was imprisoned in Russia for 7,5 years for drug smuggling.
        1. BAI
          BAI 8 September 2020 15: 50
          +1
          There is a pardon from the President. There is parole - after serving 2/3 of the term. And there are amnesties for holiday dates. Here are the main ways to get out early.
          1. kit88
            kit88 8 September 2020 18: 21
            +7
            And also according to Art. 78 PEC, you can move out to the village after a quarter of the term, but you understand that for this you need to be on lighter conditions of detention on a general regime.
            And there, under Article 129 of the PEC, you can move to your own or rented housing, located in the same municipality with the colony settlement. And to live there with his family, only checking in with the head of the colony 4 times a month.
            About how!
        2. sgapich
          sgapich 10 September 2020 06: 00
          0
          Quote: kit88
          In Art. 85 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Pardon", nothing is said about half the term.
          A pardon is carried out by the President of the Russian Federation in relation to an individually defined person.

          A recent high-profile example is Putin's pardon of the Israeli woman Naamu Issachar, who was imprisoned in Russia for 7,5 years for drug smuggling.

          So Netanyahu personally asked for her. Although the newly released did not miss the opportunity to crap Russia.
    7. halpat
      halpat 8 September 2020 13: 57
      +3
      Quote: Mouse
      On parole in four will be released ...

      will sit for a year or two in a colony, then he will be transferred to "chemotherapy" for health reasons, for good behavior and taking into account the government awards, which he was not deprived of. And in 4 years it will be released on parole, outright. Even less than 4, if you count from today.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 27
        +1
        then they will be transferred to chemistry

        Let me tell you a secret that "chemistry" has been gone for about 30 years already. They can be transferred to a colony settlement. But this is gossip.
        1. halpat
          halpat 8 September 2020 14: 29
          0
          Quote: Okolotochny
          then they will be transferred to chemistry

          Let me tell you a secret that "chemistry" has been gone for about 30 years already. They can be transferred to a colony settlement. But this is gossip.

          I don't know such details :) but I think that they will find "gossip" for him, then, when the excitement subsides.
          There is no "chemistry" and good. I remember in our town there were several dormitories for "chemists", this is a dangerous business. Several hundred of them lived there. Hemorrhoids were constant and there was always a police UAZ with an outfit.
    8. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 September 2020 14: 04
      -5
      Quote: Mouse
      On parole in four will be released ...

      Speak in 2
    9. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 8 September 2020 14: 51
      +4
      Not on parole. There is such an interesting thing as transferring a prisoner to home living. For example, due to the presence of a serious illness. The mayor of Ust-Ilimsk, Viktor Doroshk, was given 2009 years in a general regime colony in 9 for organizing contract killings. In 2013, he actually came to the city. Quote: "Doroshok was transferred to home living by the decree of the head of IK-3 as a positively characterized convict, having a family, not allowing violations of the established order of serving a sentence, and having two awards for conscientious attitude to work." Wanguyu, in the case of Efremov, this will happen even earlier.
      1. halpat
        halpat 8 September 2020 15: 17
        0
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        Not on parole. There is such an interesting thing as transferring a prisoner to home living. For example, due to the presence of a serious illness. The mayor of Ust-Ilimsk, Viktor Doroshk, was given 2009 years in a general regime colony in 9 for organizing contract killings. In 2013, he actually came to the city. Quote: "Doroshok was transferred to home living by the decree of the head of IK-3 as a positively characterized convict, having a family, not allowing violations of the established order of serving a sentence, and having two awards for conscientious attitude to work." Wanguyu, in the case of Efremov, this will happen even earlier.

        Or like this.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 13: 22
    11
    Quote: Serg65
    the judge stopped at 8 years of imprisonment in a general regime colony.

    Personally, it suits me, 8 years is the same good period for this half-man !!!


    The main thing that THIS got real time and not small.
  • cost
    cost 8 September 2020 13: 23
    26
    Efremov was sentenced to a real term

    Now let's see how much he really does
  • Finches
    Finches 8 September 2020 13: 24
    +6
    Never give up money and prison ... I think in a couple of years someone will get amnesty or the settlement will be transferred to a colony for health reasons! He is not the first, he is not the last ... You look and will take up the mind!
  • tikhonov66
    tikhonov66 8 September 2020 13: 25
    +2
    LITTLE GIVEN !!!
    - this slimy - it was necessary to roll in in full
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 8 September 2020 13: 30
    +2
    They just wrote in TASS that in 4 years he could be released or the punishment reduced.
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 8 September 2020 13: 40
    -4
    And what's the point in that? Well, from the point of view of a taxpayer? So that he doesn't kill anyone in the next 8 years?
    1. Shraik
      Shraik 8 September 2020 13: 46
      +7
      The meaning is for the edification of others.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 September 2020 13: 44
    +2
    Quote: Serg65
    Personally, it suits me, 8 years is the same good period for this half-man !!!

    And even if it comes out on parole, it's a kapets of his career. And will they also treat alcoholism? Hardly...
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 September 2020 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Quote: Serg65
      Personally, it suits me, 8 years is the same good period for this half-man !!!

      And even if it comes out on parole, it's a kapets of his career. And will they also treat alcoholism? Hardly...

      Alcoholism can be cured there, you can't drink
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 8 September 2020 14: 06
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And will they also treat alcoholism?

      It is unlikely that they will rather get hooked on the needle ... in this case, it will not live to see parole!
    3. Vladimir Demyanov
      Vladimir Demyanov 9 September 2020 15: 31
      0
      No, he is on the Rain or RTVi will continue his career. There they will take him with hands and feet.
  • sanches-nk
    sanches-nk 8 September 2020 13: 59
    +2
    In fact, he will serve no more than 1/2 of the term, will be released on parole, but perhaps this will be enough for a person, if he is of course a Human, to reconsider his priorities and become much better.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 8 September 2020 14: 09
    +1
    Quote: Serg65
    the judge stopped at 8 years of imprisonment in a general regime colony.

    Personally, it suits me, 8 years is the same good period for this half-man !!!

    I wonder how long he will actually serve.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 8 September 2020 14: 15
      -1
      Quote: Piramidon
      I wonder how long he will actually serve.

      With his addictions, he may not be able to sit out .... an overdose really shortens the term!
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 8 September 2020 14: 33
    +3
    Colleagues, this is the right decision.

    But! Returning to the event itself. He constantly drove drunk, and at the same time said that he had "dofig" money.
    The question is: why didn't he hire a driver? And it is convenient, and not expensive for him, and status, and everyone would be alive!
    Old doo-r-ak, in general ...
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 8 September 2020 15: 16
    0
    I would give for the fact that he has been hanging out with the liberals for 10 years ...
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 8 September 2020 19: 22
    +1
    Sergey, I would add LIFETIME deprivation of rights ... to everyone who became the culprit of a fatal accident. Who agrees ???
  • Terenin
    Terenin 8 September 2020 19: 56
    +4
    The road loves disciplined drivers and does not forgive mistakes.
  • Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 8 September 2020 13: 17
    +3
    In 4 it will come out, otherwise there will be some kind of terrible disease, then and earlier.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 8 September 2020 13: 45
      +1
      There is such a disease. Unfortunate.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 September 2020 13: 53
        +2
        Quote: Pereira
        There is such a disease. Unfortunate.

        This is definitely not about him. Always "loaded to capacity" + drugs, which was shown by the examination after the accident.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 8 September 2020 13: 55
          +1
          I mean - in the zone. It can be stressful with loading.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 8 September 2020 14: 01
            +5
            Quote: Pereira
            I mean - in the zone. It can be stressful with loading.

            How to say, how to say ... Perhaps the zone-zone is different, but some while away the time with comfort ...



            In the photo: V. Tsepovyaz - a member of the Tsapkov gang, who killed 12 people in the village of Kushchevskaya.
            1. halpat
              halpat 8 September 2020 17: 08
              +2
              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: Pereira
              I mean - in the zone. It can be stressful with loading.

              How to say, how to say ... Perhaps the zone-zone is different, but some while away the time with comfort ...



              In the photo: V. Tsepovyaz - a member of the Tsapkov gang, who killed 12 people in the village of Kushchevskaya.

              And this STRICT mode is remembered! Or am I wrong?
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 8 September 2020 17: 21
                +3
                Lightweight. A strict one is given for stealing a chicken.
  • novel66
    novel66 8 September 2020 13: 17
    +3
    and what will the higher court say? no one canceled the appeal
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 19
      +9
      10 days are given for the appeal. Roma, with such a public outcry, video evidence, admission of guilt, what kind of appeal?
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 September 2020 13: 21
        +2
        well, groan there about the merits to society, about serious illnesses
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 8 September 2020 13: 55
          +3
          Quote: novel xnumx
          whine there about the merits to society

          laughing Here he was, just during the trial, and gave himself an eight!
          1. novel66
            novel66 8 September 2020 14: 34
            +2
            before it was necessary to repent!
      2. Avior
        Avior 8 September 2020 13: 25
        -1
        By reducing the term
        They will appoint a new examination, there he will repent - you look, they will knock off
    2. Mouse
      Mouse 8 September 2020 13: 20
      +1
      no one canceled the appeal

      I'm talking about the same ... "movie" is not finished yet ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 September 2020 13: 22
        +2
        and the president cannot pardon with his power?
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 23
          +7
          Can. But I don't think he will. For now, at least. Will serve some time, and then maybe.
          1. novel66
            novel66 8 September 2020 13: 25
            +1
            somehow it's readable ...
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 29
              10
              For me personally, it is important that in a very short time (2 months are given for the preliminary investigation only, without taking into account various extensions up to 2 years) he was convicted. Again, in almost 3 months the preliminary and judicial investigation was completed. It's very fast. And got a REAL term.
              1. novel66
                novel66 8 September 2020 13: 31
                +6
                and that's right, how long can you
              2. novel66
                novel66 8 September 2020 13: 32
                +5
                but on the other hand - is there a hell to investigate - he himself wrote: all the evidence is there
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 36
                  +6
                  Because and so quickly that everything is on the face. Although, Efremov apparently did not agree to the consideration of the case in a simplified manner. Then we would have done it within a month. And the term would have received less.
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 8 September 2020 13: 40
                    +6
                    so, I tried to excuse myself, like: I'm not me and I'm not driving ... the lawyer let us down
                    1. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 42
                      +6
                      Well, yes, such as remote access hackers controlled the machine. But this is out of despair.
                      1. Vladimir Demyanov
                        Vladimir Demyanov 9 September 2020 15: 43
                        0
                        Eh, damn it, Dzhigurda would suggest this: Misha, when drunk or stoned, hires a virtual driver who controls the car remotely. You look, they would start looking for the driver. And how much did those "witnesses" pay? They can be convicted of perjury.
                  2. Serg65
                    Serg65 8 September 2020 13: 57
                    +2
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    And the term would have received less

                    laughing I must thank my lawyer!
                    1. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 14: 02
                      +3
                      What for only did you spend money? With public free the same end.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 8 September 2020 14: 03
                        -1
                        For something not so epic !!! laughing
                      2. ANB
                        ANB 8 September 2020 14: 15
                        +4
                        I would get less with free
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 September 2020 14: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        What for only did you spend money? With public free the same end.

                        Psychological factor - I will decide with money
                    2. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 8 September 2020 14: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      And the term would have received less

                      laughing I must thank my lawyer!

                      There more depended on the judge
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 8 September 2020 14: 17
                        -2
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        There more depended on the judge

                        The judge ... the judge might have knocked them off, but Pashayev really covered all these knocks with a copper basin!
        2. Mouse
          Mouse 8 September 2020 13: 25
          +5
          In general, it seems to me that this show will last forever ... not all tickets are sold out yet ...
          1. novel66
            novel66 8 September 2020 13: 26
            +5
            lawyers were inspired like germs in a spring puddle
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 8 September 2020 20: 05
              +5
              Quote: novel xnumx
              lawyers were inspired like germs in a spring puddle

              Yeah winked Pashayev turned out to be deciding the opposite.
              1. novel66
                novel66 8 September 2020 20: 18
                +2
                oh yes, Gena! the opposite person! Hello hi
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 8 September 2020 20: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  oh yes, Gena! the opposite person! Hello hi

                  Well, who doesn't know:
                  ... - And he doesn't eat soup and cabbage soup
                  - Eats only bricks,
                  - And for sweet he eats
                  - Pole greased with jam ...


                  Hello Rama hi
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 8 September 2020 21: 25
                    +3
                    jam-oiled pole ?? Oh yeah! Gena! how many ideas! lol
        3. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 8 September 2020 13: 57
          0
          and the president cannot pardon with his power?
          - does the president look like an idiot ?!
          1. novel66
            novel66 8 September 2020 14: 33
            +1
            well, if you look at the history of the pension reform
          2. 210ox
            210ox 8 September 2020 14: 41
            +1
            In the case of Hodor?
            1. your1970
              your1970 9 September 2020 16: 54
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              In the case of Hodor?

              5 months did not sit until the end of 10 years ...
              The only one from the opposition can say "I was sitting !!" (like for my beliefs lol )
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 10 September 2020 14: 40
                -3
                Offer him to "be crowned"?))
                1. your1970
                  your1970 10 September 2020 16: 55
                  0
                  I just remind you that with H2, real revolutionaries received from 10 years ...

                  Mitigation of morals lol lol
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 8 September 2020 13: 56
        0
        I would, out of kindness, cut off his term. For a couple of weeks.
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 16: 25
        +1
        And they may add ... According to the results of the TS
    3. BAI
      BAI 8 September 2020 15: 55
      +1
      and what will the higher court say?

      95% - he will say: "Decrease from rock to ....". But how much?
      1. your1970
        your1970 9 September 2020 16: 55
        0
        And they can throw it on - this also happens ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 9 September 2020 16: 55
        0
        And they can throw it on - this also happens ...
  • dedusik
    dedusik 8 September 2020 13: 18
    0
    It was predictable yesterday
  • rocket757
    rocket757 8 September 2020 13: 18
    +4
    It's just the result of a too free life ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 8 September 2020 13: 23
      +7
      bohemian ..... she is so bohemian .....
    2. Mouse
      Mouse 8 September 2020 13: 36
      +6
      Impunity corrupts ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 8 September 2020 20: 13
        +4
        Quote: rocket757
        the result of too free life

        Quote: novel xnumx
        bohemian ..... she is so bohemian ...

        Quote: Mouse
        Impunity corrupts ...

        Well colleagues belay you have given out the title of best-selling books, from the series - "The Life of Mikhail Efremov" ... Urgently issue an author's certificate yes
  • bogart047
    bogart047 8 September 2020 13: 19
    +3
    I hope that he dies there, under the bunk
  • Campanella
    Campanella 8 September 2020 13: 19
    -6
    He will sit for three, then the president will have mercy ... It's not Khodorkovsky ...
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 September 2020 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: Campanella
      He will sit for three, then the president will have mercy ... It's not Khodorkovsky ...

      Yes, Efremov has not yet written letters of repentance, has not asked his mother for treatment, has not sworn, swore, they say, just let go, and engage in politics - not my God!
      But it's not over yet, however.
  • 22 dmdc
    22 dmdc 8 September 2020 13: 20
    +1
    That’s what happened. But Abramovich was greedy (regretted), and she could measure out how much the prosecutor asked.
  • Soho
    Soho 8 September 2020 13: 20
    +2
    A lesson to the overplayed elite
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 8 September 2020 13: 26
      -2
      The elite are those who rule and their entourage ("Zaya, I killed the cop"). And Efremov is just an actor. So this is definitely not a lesson for the elite.
      1. Soho
        Soho 8 September 2020 13: 36
        +5
        Efremov is just an actor. So this is definitely not a lesson for the elite.

        Just an actor? The fame and popularity of many of these elevates them to the rank of celestials, giving such preferences that some ministers did not even dream of. Hence, permissiveness also grows. Try to make such a drunken "just an actor" reprimand for a mate on the street - you will also grab it yourself
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 8 September 2020 13: 41
          -1
          Quote: Soho
          Just an actor?


          Yes.

          Quote: Soho
          Try to make such a drunken "just an actor" reprimand for a mate on the street - you will also grab it yourself


          If you make a remark to any drunk, you risk snatching it off. It doesn't matter if it is an actor, a hard worker or a gopnik.
          1. Soho
            Soho 8 September 2020 13: 45
            +2
            It doesn't matter if it's an actor, a hard worker or a gopnik.

            Stop talking nonsense. If I fight a hard worker on the street, then in the worst case, the administrative woman will shine for me. And try to hit some blue star like Kirkorov - you will snip off the term for an "attempt" on the life of this bohemian. Or do you naively think that they have no cronyism in power structures and in court?
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 8 September 2020 13: 51
              -1
              Quote: Soho
              If I fight a hard worker on the street, then, in the worst case, the administrative woman will shine for me. And try to hit some blue star like Kirkorov - you will snip off the term for an "attempt" on the life of this bohemian.


              And the "remark to pnogo" has already turned into a "kick"?

              Quote: Soho
              Or do you naively think that they have no cronyism in power structures and in court?


              It's not for you to talk about naivety. It is quite possible that they have a pull, but, firstly, this does not make them an elite (perhaps in your eyes), and secondly, every major and even average official has a “pull in law enforcement agencies and courts” speaking already about big criminals (or do you also consider criminals as an elite?).
              1. Soho
                Soho 8 September 2020 14: 10
                +1
                Okay, consider your Panins and Efremovs not an elite, but ordinary mortals. Are you tired of your "arguments" obtained from the nose. If you could defend Efremov at the trial - with your persistence, you look, this drug addict instead of a zone would go to another nightclub
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 8 September 2020 13: 37
      +8
      This is not the elite! And she never was! All these Rachelgauzes, Venedikts and other virtual-creative intelligentsia ...
      The elite are Gagarin, Korolev, Keldysh, Yakovlev, Tupolev, Mikoyan, Paton, Alferov ...
      1. Soho
        Soho 8 September 2020 13: 49
        +2
        Gagarin, Korolev, Keldysh, Yakovlev, Tupolev, Mikoyan, Paton, Alferov ...

        Gagarin or Korolev were never elite. The first was too modest, and the second was generally classified as "secret". They were primarily people, not bohemians, stars, or the elite.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 8 September 2020 13: 54
          +7
          You have some kind of perverted understanding of the elite
          Elite is not glamor or pop!
          These are the people who make the state great, people who work for the whole people!
          And these, just creepy ...
          1. Soho
            Soho 8 September 2020 14: 06
            -2
            You have some kind of perverted understanding of the elite

            Well, that's why some of those who went, as soon as a different opinion of their opinions appears, so immediately slide into rudeness?
            What is it perverse, confused? The elite is a limited community of people who have power preferences that are inaccessible to ordinary citizens. Korolev was a great designer, Keldysh was a great scientist, Gagarin was a hero of the whole country and her favorite. But it's strange to call them elite
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 8 September 2020 14: 37
              +2
              I didn't offend you! And you have suffered, apparently you are not sure of yourself?
              The elite are the best, not the appointed ones.
              1. Soho
                Soho 8 September 2020 14: 54
                0
                I didn't offend you!

                If you did not insult me, then I did not insult you either. It does not matter.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 8 September 2020 14: 58
                  0
                  Goodbye young man!
              2. vadimtt
                vadimtt 8 September 2020 15: 07
                +1
                Over the past two decades, the term "Elite" has changed its original meaning to almost exactly the opposite.
                Probably for the same reason, the mention of the "Blue Puppy" will cause an ambiguous reaction in modern school classes, ugh three times laughing
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 8 September 2020 20: 31
            +3
            Quote: Campanella
            You have some kind of perverted understanding of the elite
            Elite is not glamor or pop!
            These are the people who make the state great, people who work for the whole people!
            And these, just creepy ...

            These reptiles got stuck like flies on ... Western ones: real estate, accounts, permanent residence ..., and we all wonder if this elite is ours? winked
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 8 September 2020 20: 45
              +1
              What is there to guess. This category of people who feel good there and their homeland.
      2. BAI
        BAI 8 September 2020 16: 06
        0
        The elite are Gagarin, Korolev, Keldysh, Yakovlev, Tupolev, Mikoyan, Paton, Alferov ...

        Elite is now a dirty word. We are number 23 out of 32 (at the Botswana level). Therefore, in relation to respected people it is better not to use it. None of these people said: "I am the elite."
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 8 September 2020 20: 49
          +1
          Yes, right at the word Elite, I remember the elite boars at VDNKh in Soviet times in the animal husbandry pavilion, these are the parallels ...
  • Million
    Million 8 September 2020 13: 20
    0
    I think the play is not over yet
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 8 September 2020 13: 21
    15
    And how many representatives of the "bohemia" were at the trial! Everyone wants to be PR. Dzhigurda is an animal, wheezing all over the street about Efremov's freedom. And the thought came to me: how narrow-minded should be the "electorate", which applauds such clowns?
    But the promotion of such individuals as an elite is a kind of sabotage against morality, against the sanity of people ...
  • Sandor Clegane
    Sandor Clegane 8 September 2020 13: 22
    +7
    this is a very good precedent, and the term is impressive, and what will happen next ... a settlement colony, illness, parole .... it doesn't matter, the main thing is a fact! He was sentenced to 8 years and this is the main thing! The punishment must not be avoided!
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 September 2020 16: 17
      0
      In 2019, there were 3500 fatal road traffic accidents. Convicted for more than 8 years - ONE! What is the inevitable punishment?
      1. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 14 September 2020 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: BAI
        Convicted for more than 8 years - ONE! What is the inevitable punishment?

        Are you aware of how everyone who caused such accidents behaved? They may immediately admit their guilt and were not intoxicated, cooperated with the investigation, but here the refusal to admit guilt is characterized as a refusal to cooperate !!
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 8 September 2020 13: 23
    +3
    The "elites" tried to defend their lack of jurisdiction. Unsuccessfully.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 8 September 2020 14: 45
      +3
      Yeah .. Elitaries. Dzhigurda with transvestites.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 8 September 2020 15: 12
        +1
        Therefore, in quotation marks ... In general, it was a fundamental process in which the liberal "elite" were stripped, that they would be imprisoned in the future.
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 8 September 2020 13: 25
    +6
    I can thank my lawyer, he worked very hard to pass such a verdict.
    1. Shkworen
      Shkworen 8 September 2020 13: 38
      +3
      for a fee of 10 million rubles :)
  • viktor.
    viktor. 8 September 2020 13: 25
    +2
    Quote: seti
    To cut down the Kolyma forest

    There is no forest in Russia. Burned and then cut out! You need to plant the Forest!
    1. Golddigger 96
      Golddigger 96 8 September 2020 13: 34
      +5
      Everything is correct, it is to plant a forest. This is also not an easy task.
  • Avior
    Avior 8 September 2020 13: 27
    +7
    It is logical that for the first couple of years the lawyer sat for him justly, and even better, with him ...
  • Shkworen
    Shkworen 8 September 2020 13: 37
    +2
    a normal verdict, besides, up to a heap, a second case will be considered, for that jamb goby that was found in his pocket, they can throw it for another year or two :)
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 September 2020 16: 09
      +1
      Our terms are not summed up, as in the USA. We have a longer term, it absorbs less. The saying "7 troubles - one answer" did not appear out of the blue.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 September 2020 13: 37
    +3
    Without a doubt, he deserved it and such an impartial decision of the court cannot but rejoice. But - let's wait for further developments. Appeals and some other tricks are also possible
  • ZVS
    ZVS 8 September 2020 13: 37
    -8
    The most paradoxical is that even before Efremov appeared in court, the Russia 1 TV channel announced that Efremov would receive 8 years. How did this TV channel know if the prosecutor asked for 11 years for Efremov? For a month, the circus has become obsolete throughout the country with this "justice", considering the people to be fools.
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 September 2020 16: 11
      0
      I witnessed in the district court how the lawyer told the client what punishment he would receive, BEFORE THE COURT MEETING.
      1. ZVS
        ZVS 9 September 2020 11: 13
        +1
        Well, the whole country knows that the courts in Russia are corrupt. My daughter was suing the bank. the district judge ruled in favor of the bank. I went to the regional court, where the judge ruled in favor of my daughter, calling the bank's actions illegal. After a while, the bank resubmits a claim to the district court. Before the meeting, the representative of the bank goes to the judge's office openly. The judge again passes judgment in favor of the bank. Then the daughter shows the decision of the regional court, and then the judge made the decision, like the regional court.
        I'm not saying that all the judges are corrupt, there are decent ones. But the established system of justice in the country is completely corrupt. And Putin is quite happy with this situation
    2. dedusik
      dedusik 8 September 2020 16: 54
      0
      http://www.rapsinews.ru/incident_news/20200907/306241406.html
      1. ZVS
        ZVS 9 September 2020 11: 17
        +1
        Quite right, it was a show that promoted the advocacy of both. But I think that Pashayev has done it up to his ears. It was clear that he was not engaged in defense, but only in self-promotion.
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 8 September 2020 13: 39
    +1
    12 ... should be 12.
  • Vincent
    Vincent 8 September 2020 13: 39
    +9
    Navalny came to life, Efremov was convicted ... So soon the news will end!
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 8 September 2020 13: 39
    +1
    Quote: Wend
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

    I wonder if the verdict will be appealed?

    of course ... a lawyer gets money for every move ...))
  • Alien From
    Alien From 8 September 2020 13: 45
    +2
    The actors' theme has nothing to do with the VO format !!!!
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 September 2020 13: 46
    +2
    For Efremov, a new stage in theatrical activity will begin, he will organize a theater at the place of imprisonment, he will give acting lessons ... Sewing mittens .. smile
  • peter mechkaev
    peter mechkaev 8 September 2020 13: 47
    +1
    Leaving all the state awards ... that is, he will not sit for a year. He will be released by decree on amnesty with a "clear conscience ...
    1. Shkworen
      Shkworen 8 September 2020 14: 28
      0
      no amnesty is provided under this article :)
  • APASUS
    APASUS 8 September 2020 13: 59
    +2
    And contact Efremov with another lawyer, everything could have gone the other way
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 8 September 2020 14: 03
    -2
    The real term is correct. By the way, the deceased was not wearing a seat belt ...
  • Galleon
    Galleon 8 September 2020 14: 11
    +2
    Was the deprivation of a driver's license for 15-20 years included in the sentence or not? Or will this citizen be driving around Moscow again in 4 years?
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 September 2020 16: 12
      +1
      It seems to have sounded - a ban on driving for 3 years.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 8 September 2020 17: 39
        +1
        I didn't know, thanks. There is a lot of work today - I ran my eyes through the news on VO, I did not look anywhere else. But for this three years - not enough. These 3 years in the general regime will pass.
  • Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 8 September 2020 14: 19
    +1
    general vacation
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 8 September 2020 14: 25
    0
    Quote: Pavel57
    8 will suit everyone.

    I knew it.))))
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 8 September 2020 14: 25
    0
    A good guy .. funny .. and his poems were sincere ..
    But, I think, 4 years old will only benefit him !!
    1. Soho
      Soho 12 September 2020 00: 00
      0
      He is a woodpecker just like you. Only he was a woodpecker from booze and drugs, and you from birth trauma
  • don-1500
    don-1500 8 September 2020 14: 46
    0
    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
    It is of course, but ... The severity of the laws of the Russian Empire was always mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation.

    What does the Russian Empire have to do with it?
  • iouris
    iouris 8 September 2020 14: 47
    +3
    The trial has not ended: the accused of the murder will challenge the verdict of the first instance court. The trial will pass, but the sediment will remain. The Sovremennik Theater troupe has covered itself. Is there really not a single minister of Melpomene or a theater hanger who would take a principled position in relation to the drunkard and brawler Gorbunkov S.S., set aside, addict, drunkard, deceiver and (potential) murderer M.O. They are all partly to blame, since they covered violations of labor and state discipline, drunkenness and drug use in the performance of duties of serving the muses, functional duties and while driving. But if such an employee were involved for being in a state of stupefaction in the theater, then perhaps nothing would have happened.
  • prior
    prior 8 September 2020 14: 49
    +5
    Efremov went, Dzhigurda get ready ...
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 8 September 2020 15: 06
    +2
    Now Misha will play without drunken blunders, just not to Masha lol
    And so, personally satisfied with the "blood" of the clown good
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 8 September 2020 15: 12
    0
    The verdict is so-so, to say the least. Already everywhere they write about parole. The courts traditionally consider "compensation" almost according to the USSR's methods, as many as 800 thousand were awarded to the children of the deceased. As a result, everything turned into a farce, but the shirnarmassa is satisfied with the nominally harsh sentence. I will just remind you that the same terms are sometimes given for organizing contract killings (the ex-mayor of Ust-Ilimsk was given 9 years), and the convict served no more than half of the term "in the zone." Would give an honest maximum speed in the colony-settlement and 10-12 million compensation for damage, it would be easier for many.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 8 September 2020 15: 29
    +1
    8 years is not a short period, for the first time. let him say thank you that it is not on a high security regime, like a mere mortal. even if it comes out, years after heels, impressions will be for the rest of your life. there is not a theater, but life in all impartial manifestations. They will not press them on purpose, a well-known person, but there will be grief, there they will be treated from Bukhalov, there will be plenty of time.
  • iouris
    iouris 8 September 2020 16: 04
    -1
    What in Russian means sentenced to a "real term"? How can they be sentenced to an "unrealistic term"?
    1. dedusik
      dedusik 9 September 2020 11: 54
      0
      Maybe a suspended sentence.
      1. iouris
        iouris 9 September 2020 12: 05
        0
        What does "suspended sentence" mean in Russian for premeditated murder under aggravated circumstances?
        1. dedusik
          dedusik 9 September 2020 15: 06
          0
          The question was about whether there is an "unrealistic term" not specifically tied to the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And I answered you.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 8 September 2020 16: 07
    +2
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

    It is precisely on the example of Efremov (wrote back in June) that the authorities will show that "the law is for everyone," the purity of our courts. Yes, the case with Efremov is disgusting, but the defendant had the power to say the hard-hitting. With one shot, two goals. , and remove Efremov for a long time. Let him sit. We are waiting for real terms for some officials, deputies, ministers, etc.
    1. Sen.
      Sen. 8 September 2020 17: 43
      11
      Quote: fa2998
      the defendant had the power to say the hard

      He's a criminal. And his political views now have nothing to do.
      Quote: fa2998
      We are waiting for real terms for some officials, deputies, ministers, etc.

      wassat
      Good wish. But ... is it real? I don't think we'll see something like this in the near future.
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 8 September 2020 16: 33
    +2
    In the Taiga novel, the TV series, he seems to be in charge of the club, well, now he will appear in the Mordovian colony
    new head of the club, honored artist! The main thing is not to cut through copper pipes.
  • tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 8 September 2020 17: 56
    +1
    A wave has already begun, friends with Malakhov, they call everything a trial, a court of lynching. How to explain to these people that Efremov, even if not intentionally, killed a man ???
  • AleBors
    AleBors 8 September 2020 19: 35
    0
    The verdict is just. The only pity is that in a couple of years, this clown will be released on parole.
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios 8 September 2020 19: 44
    +2
    The passing of a specific verdict is only the first part of the Marlezon Ballet. Now there will be appeals, Efremov will abruptly begin to "die to death" and he will be dragged to hospitals for "examination", "lie down / undergo treatment", etc., and the term will begin to "tick". After that, they will be transferred to one-second-third colony in order to "remove the client from the radar" of the journalists. And in a year or a year and a half, of which he will not spend a day in the colony, in honor of some kind of "red date" they will replace the further term with "strict home", for "serving" the rest of the term. Well, there - an amnesty for good behavior, etc. Thus, the plebs will be satisfied with the "severity and inevitability of justice", and the "client" will not be stressed.
    You have read one of the possible scenarios)
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 8 September 2020 19: 57
    +1
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Here I remember the members of the forum "were killed by the worthlessness of Russian jurisprudence" because of his case. Now I wonder what will balabolit?

    Members of the forum have enough grounds for such an opinion: the example of Mary Baghdasaryan is quite illustrative. No need to make idiots out of members of the forum.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 8 September 2020 19: 57
    +1
    For Efremov, the number 8 is apparently the number of PI, June 8; September 8; 8 years of deprivation. Is it by chance that the address of serving is not in the PKU 8th IK (Rossosh Voronezh region)?
    Just a magic number for Efremov.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 8 September 2020 19: 59
    +2
    Quote: Tarasios
    The passing of a specific verdict is only the first part of the Marlezon Ballet. Now there will be appeals, Efremov will abruptly begin to "die to death" and he will be dragged to hospitals for "examination", "lie down / undergo treatment", etc., and the term will begin to "tick". After that, they will be transferred to one-second-third colony in order to "remove the client from the radar" of the journalists. And in a year or a year and a half, of which he will not spend a day in the colony, in honor of some kind of "red date" they will replace the further term with "strict home", for "serving" the rest of the term. Well, there - an amnesty for good behavior, etc. Thus, the plebs will be satisfied with the "severity and inevitability of justice", and the "client" will not be stressed.
    You have read one of the possible scenarios)

    Yes, even if it were so, it’s not bad ... Only it seems to me that even this "performance" is played both by Efremov and the authorities: elections are on the way !!!
  • Pamir
    Pamir 8 September 2020 20: 03
    0
    And another 800 thousand compensation.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 8 September 2020 20: 30
      0
      800 thousand rubles: for Mikhail Olegovich - he immediately after the accident said on camera that it was "... just - I'll pay!"
      1. Pamir
        Pamir 8 September 2020 20: 38
        0
        The question is not the amount, but the number, which is the paradox.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 8 September 2020 20: 35
    +1
    Quote: fa2998
    It is precisely on the example of Efremov (wrote back in June) that the authorities will show that "the law is for everyone," the purity of our courts. Yes, the case with Efremov is disgusting, but the defendant had the power to say the hard-hitting. With one shot, two goals. , and remove Efremov for a long time. Let him sit. We are waiting for real terms for some officials, deputies, ministers, etc.

    This is where the "ambush" lies! Wait, many will believe in "justice" - the term was given to the most famous actor! Well, this is before the elections ... And after the elections - amnesty and ala-ulyu !!!
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 8 September 2020 23: 31
    +1
    And what, this cyanosis of the "nepolzhivaya" Beaumondo should have been stroked on the head and given the vodyars as consolation? "Conscience of the Nation" my white ass, intellectual drunk. This is not the conscience of the nation, this is its shit. By the way, in the USA, vehicular homicide is a 2nd degree felony for which you can get up to 2 years plus up to $ 15 in fines. And that is if you are sober. And if drunk, then in some states you are given a term for DUI, and in some, you are already on trial for a first degree felony. And if you already had problems mixing booze and driving a car, then 10000 can be obtained. Citizen drunk still got off lightly according to amer's laws. Let it be clear to all "non-drinking" cyanosis - fighters against the "regime" - don't drive a wheelbarrow - you will sit down
  • serg v zapase
    serg v zapase 9 September 2020 01: 05
    0
    I never doubted the real time, although I thought it would be no more than six. Due to acting harm, they added another two years, which means udo was pushed back for at least a year. The question remained - why did they start such a long performance?