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First Su-30SM2 powered by AL-41F-1S engine to take off before the end of the year

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First Su-30SM2 powered by AL-41F-1S engine to take off before the end of the year

A new modification of the Russian Su-30 multifunctional fighter, the Su-30SM2, will take off by the end of this year. Reported by "News" with reference to the Ministry of Defense and the Defense Industry Complex.


According to the newspaper, the Ministry of Defense gave permission for the first flight of the Su-30SM2 prototype with the AL-41F-1S engine "product 117S". According to the work schedule, the aircraft manufacturers signed a contract to check the readiness of the aircraft for the first flight. It is expected that the Su-30SM2 will take to the air by the end of the year.

Thus, the new Su-30SM2 will receive the AL-41F-1S engine, the onboard electronics, radar, optical location station will be improved, and the range of weapons will be expanded. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, the entire fleet of Su-30SM fighters will be upgraded to the level of the Su-2SM30. By the end of the year, the military department intends to sign a contract for the supply of 21 new-built Su-30SM2 fighters.

As previously reported, within the framework of the import substitution program, the Adaptation-Su design and development project was launched on the base Su-30SM. In the course of this ROC, it was initially planned to strengthen the fighter's armament and change the avionics. In this form, the aircraft received the designation Su-30SM1. However, further it was decided to maximize the unification of the Su-30SM and Su-35S. The version with the installation of the AL-41F-1S and the Irbis radar, coupled with the previously made changes, received the Su-30SM2 index.

The Su-30SM fighter has been serially supplied to the troops since 2013. The aircraft is armed with an extensive arsenal of high-precision weapons and bombs.
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  1. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 8 September 2020 11: 33 New
    +3
    Interestingly, is this a special modification of the aircraft, or is it still about a new single engine based on the Al-41f1S with a reduced diameter?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 September 2020 11: 55 New
      +1
      The same question. They wrote that the 41st would not fit in diameter and there was an article yesterday about a single turbojet engine for the Su27 / 30
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 8 September 2020 11: 59 New
      +6
      Read about the engine from the source:
      https://www.aviaport.ru/news/2020/07/30/647651.html
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 8 September 2020 13: 19 New
        0
        Nothing new. From what is written, these are probably different topics.
    3. Errr
      Errr 8 September 2020 16: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: d4rkmesa
      ... talking about a new single engine based on Al-41f1S with a reduced diameter?
      We are not talking here about "a new single engine based on the AL-41F-1C (product 117C), because for installation in the Su-27 / Su-30, the dimensions of the" product 117C "itself need not be reduced at all.
      In terms of its geometric parameters and attachment points on the aircraft, the 117C (AL-41F-1C) engine corresponds to its predecessors AL-31F and AL-31FP. This makes it possible, with minor modifications to the nacelle and equipment, to use the 117C (AL-41F-1C) engine to modernize the fleet of previously produced Su-27 / Su-30 aircraft.
      A source: http://roe.ru/catalog/vozdushno-kosmicheskie-sily/dvigateli/al-41f-1s/ .
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 8 September 2020 16: 44 New
        -1
        The "insignificance" of the engine nacelle modification is somewhat exaggerated. The AL-41F-1S has a fan diameter of 932 instead of 905 for the Al-31f, it is not so easy to take and install it, design changes are required, like in the Su-35. Of course, this is possible in the factory, but these are new tests, etc.
        1. Errr
          Errr 8 September 2020 17: 04 New
          10
          When comparing the outside diameters of the motors you mentioned, you will be somewhat surprised. For AL-31F it is 1277 mm, and for AL-41F-1C - 1180 mm; the new one is somewhat thinner. smile True, in fairness, it is at the same time as much as 48 mm longer. I don't think this is very critical; somewhere this increase in length the size of a matchbox will be determined. smile
        2. Errr
          Errr 8 September 2020 17: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: d4rkmesa
          For AL-41F-1S, the fan diameter is 932 instead of 905 for Al-31f
          Read on the UEC UMPO website at http://umpo.ru/products/turboreaktivnye-dvigateli/al-41f-1s/?sphrase_id=4584 for AL-41F-1C:
          Inlet diameter, mm - 905
          1. d4rkmesa
            d4rkmesa 9 September 2020 08: 36 New
            0
            Hehe, well, not true. Take a closer look, this is the data of the basic Al-31F. As for the comment above ... If it were that simple, the Su-35 would not be so different from the Su-27. On the whole, I am glad for Irkut that they have a job. However, working out 2 approaches at once: a new modification of the aircraft for the engine and a new engine for the existing aircraft is alarming. On the other hand, it is possible that the new engine is being made for the Indians - they are unlikely to want to again drive all their 250+ aircraft into the HAL workshop.
            1. Errr
              Errr 9 September 2020 09: 47 New
              0
              Hehe, what's not true? laughing
              If you can't follow the link http://umpo.ru/products/turboreaktivnye-dvigateli/al-41f-1s/?sphrase_id=4584 , then here is a snapshot of a fragment of this page. Voila. smile
              1. d4rkmesa
                d4rkmesa 9 September 2020 09: 56 New
                +2
                "we look at the book and see a fig." Someone at UMPO screwed up and inserted the Al-31F data into the Al-41F-1s datasheet. Once again, take a closer look. =)
                1. Errr
                  Errr 9 September 2020 10: 25 New
                  +2
                  Mdja ... what So trust the people after the entourage! laughing
            2. avg
              avg 9 September 2020 21: 14 New
              0
              What are the difficulties? The new aircraft are produced in the Su-30SM2 modification. And the Su-30SM is being modernized in the process of repair, and a couple of field crews are being organized.
    4. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 8 September 2020 22: 31 New
      0
      Explain who is in the subject, why the SU-30 has an even number in the designation? He's a fighter.
    5. max702
      max702 9 September 2020 23: 25 New
      +1
      I wonder if the SU-34 can also be transferred to this engine? It would be logical to have one engine for all aircraft. And then adapt product 30 for the entire model range.
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 10 September 2020 08: 11 New
        0
        If only without UVT.
        1. max702
          max702 13 September 2020 09: 33 New
          0
          A UHT then what interferes? Is that the construction becomes more expensive.
  2. Insurgent
    Insurgent 8 September 2020 11: 34 New
    +7
    The Su-30SM fighter has been serially supplied to the troops since 2013. The aircraft is armed with an extensive arsenal of precision weapons and bombs.

    Among other things, if I'm not mistaken, the Su-30 of various modifications has the largest commercial success of the entire family of Sukhoi fighters abroad ...
  3. SAG
    SAG 8 September 2020 11: 36 New
    +4
    And how will the su-30cm2 differ from the su-35?!? what Is it really just a spark ...
    1. A009
      A009 8 September 2020 11: 38 New
      -9
      Here you are, of course. The name is clear!
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 8 September 2020 12: 13 New
      +6
      Is it really just a spark ...

      Isn't that just enough? Spark is the most used aircraft! Differs in reduced combat radius and load. And also the question of the front horizontal tail, allowing to implement the principle of direct control of the aerodynamic force in the longitudinal channel ...
      1. Eug
        Eug 8 September 2020 12: 21 New
        +5
        Direct control of the lifting force in the longitudinal channel is not implemented. PGO is used to improve the balancing and unloading of the wing roots.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 8 September 2020 12: 25 New
          +3
          And what did they finish? NUPS is not for a common man in the street!
          1. Eug
            Eug 8 September 2020 12: 31 New
            +8
            KhAI in 1987, specialty - aircraft automatic control systems, was engaged in modeling flight dynamics, incl. NUPS and NUBS in unmanned aircraft. Yes, and more - like the Su-30SM2 without PGO.
            1. figwam
              figwam 8 September 2020 12: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Eug
              and also - like the Su-30SM2 without PGO.

              Probably due to the fact that the “Irbis” is lighter than the “Barca”.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 8 September 2020 13: 45 New
              -2
              Do you live in Ukraine? hi
              1. Eug
                Eug 8 September 2020 14: 34 New
                0
                If the question is to me, then yes, in Kharkov.
            3. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 8 September 2020 16: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Eug
              Yes, and more - like the Su-30SM2 without PGO.

              In our Air Force, all Su-30s with PGO
              1. figwam
                figwam 8 September 2020 18: 21 New
                +2
                Quote: Bad_gr
                In our Air Force, all Su-30s with PGO

                Our Air Force has no Su-30SM2 yet, so it is not yet known whether it has a PGO or not. But on the Su-30M2 there is no PGO, from the word at all.
                1. Hexenmeister
                  Hexenmeister 8 September 2020 21: 48 New
                  +2
                  But on the Su-30M2 there is no PGO, from the word at all.
                  That's right, no, because this is an aircraft of the T-10 line, and the Su-30SM, essentially a "Russified" Su-30MKI, is already a T-10M line, and it has a PGO.
                2. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 8 September 2020 22: 34 New
                  -1
                  Quote: figvam
                  Our Air Force does not have the Su-30SM2 yet, so it is not yet known whether it has a PGO or not.
                  If you believe this https://www.aex.ru/news/2020/9/8/216500/print/, then it should be.
                3. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 9 September 2020 14: 18 New
                  +1
                  Here are some stubborn Ukrainian spies! The entire article is written about the fact that the Su-30SM is being upgraded to the Su-30SM by installing a new engine and onboard equipment. Not a word about PGO. Nobody is going to shoot it.
                  1. mmaxx
                    mmaxx 9 September 2020 14: 33 New
                    0
                    Up to Su-30SM2. The phone failed.
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 18: 59 New
                +2
                Quote: Bad_gr
                In our Air Force, all Su-30s with PGO


                It is not.
                The Navy includes 22 Su-30SM, VKS-91 Su-30SM and 20 Su-30M2.


                Sioux 30M2

                In addition, 5 Su-30s of the first series are being restored.
                https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3586528.html
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 8 September 2020 22: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  It is not.
                  The Navy includes 22 Su-30SM, VKS-91 Su-30SM and 20 Su-30M2.

                  Clear. Thanks for the info. Maybe I confused the new purchase of the Su-30? After all, somewhere I came across information about the fact that our Air Force is coming from the PGO.
                  Are there new arrivals without PGO?
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 22: 45 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    Maybe I confused the new purchase of the Su-30?

                    Apparently yes.
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    Are there new arrivals without PGO?

                    Not. The Air Force and the Navy MA buy only the Su-30SM (Of the two-seater, of course). The Su-34 fighter-bomber / front-line bomber certainly does not count.
            4. NN52
              NN52 8 September 2020 17: 34 New
              0
              PGO did not please you? And the word "like" probably should be taken then in quotes?
              1. Eug
                Eug 8 September 2020 18: 34 New
                0
                I have no preferences for the presence or absence of PGO, the decision is for the designers. I assumed that he was not on the Su-30SM2, because in the extreme version of the Su-35 for today, it is not, which means that other ways of solving problems have appeared, for which the PGO was used earlier.
                1. rudolff
                  rudolff 8 September 2020 18: 46 New
                  +4
                  Export Su-30s have options, both with and without PGO. On the Su-35, they refused, considering that the controlled thrust vector would be sufficient.
                  1. Eug
                    Eug 8 September 2020 20: 26 New
                    +2
                    I can only guess, because I live across the border and can only use open information and some speculation. Maneuverability seriously depends on the degree of aircraft instability, but in order to turn this instability from "-" to "+", one needs computing power and the speed of the actuators. PGO was used when other means were insufficient, as soon as the computing power and speed of the power cylinders were sufficient to ensure flight characteristics, the PGO was abandoned. Something like this..
                2. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 8 September 2020 23: 01 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Eug
                  I assumed that he was not on the Su-30SM2, because in the extreme version of the Su-35 for today, it is not, which means that there are other ways of solving problems for which the PGO was used earlier.

                  In my opinion, there are 2 reasons why there is no PGO on the Su-35s:
                  Su-27 static instability 5% MAR. (The Su-30 was made on the basis of the Su-27UB, which means it is identical).
                  Su-35, the degree of its static instability has been brought to 20%.
                  That is, it will not add maneuverability to the Su-35, and since the aircraft is mainly intended for gaining air superiority, then in this case there is no need for PGO. Unlike the Su-30SM, which often replace the Su-24, where it operates at low altitude, and the PGO reduces the load on both the airframe and the pilot.
                3. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 9 September 2020 14: 20 New
                  -1
                  Oh, yooo ... Look at the pictures on Wikipedia. Somehow you were taught strange.
                4. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 18 September 2020 14: 43 New
                  0
                  There is a Su-30SM. CM2 will receive upgrades from just CM. No one will remove the PGO from there.
                  Have you ever seen a plane? Alive. He has a lot of things inside. To remove, half of the plane must be gutted.
    3. figwam
      figwam 8 September 2020 12: 22 New
      -7
      Quote: SAG
      And how will the su-30cm2 differ from the su-35?!?

      It was enough to make a twin from the Su-35, it would be cheaper and faster.
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 8 September 2020 12: 37 New
        +1
        A very controversial statement. These are different planes, it is immediately clear that you have nothing to do with aviation ...
        1. figwam
          figwam 8 September 2020 12: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: VO3A
          These are different planes

          That's just the point, but now one is being adjusted to fit the other)
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 8 September 2020 13: 01 New
            +4
            You can't fit it, the equipment and blocks for 2 cabins differ from the usual one with an additional channel ... Much different, the blocks are different, is it clear now? Accommodation on the plane is different ?! Combat and spark on the basis of even this aircraft are different aircraft, remember!
            1. figwam
              figwam 8 September 2020 13: 04 New
              -2
              Quote: VO3A
              Can't fit

              Already fit, read carefully.
              Thus, the new Su-30SM2 will receive the AL-41F-1S engine, the onboard electronics, radar, optical location station will be improved, and the range of weapons will be expanded.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 September 2020 12: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        It was enough to make a twin from the Su-35, it would be cheaper and faster.

        Doubtful statement.
      3. Wolverine
        Wolverine 8 September 2020 13: 05 New
        +8
        Cheaper and faster ?! Despite the fact that the Su-30 has already been mastered in mass production, it is also necessary to conduct R&D for the twin 35th + flight tests, certification ...
        1. figwam
          figwam 8 September 2020 15: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Wolverine
          Cheaper and faster ?!
          Spark had to be done immediately after the Su-35, and after that, for the strike aircraft, it was enough to re-equip the second crew member's seat for an operator pilot.
          Quote: Wolverine
          Despite the fact that the Su-30 has already been mastered in serial production

          The Su-30SM is a 4+ generation, and now 4 ++ needs to be made of it.
          Quote: Wolverine
          for the spark of the 35th, it is also necessary to conduct R&D + flight tests, certification ...

          The problem is that when replacing engines, radar, electronics on the Su-30SM, it will also need to be tested.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 18 September 2020 14: 45 New
            0
            Military equipment is not civilian. They will experience it without problems.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 21: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Wolverine
          Cheaper and faster ?!


          I think so. For. The ability to get a two-seat combat training fighter was already included in the design of the Su-27. In the end, which is easier, to shake up the entire structure of the Su-30SM to bring it to the level of the Su-35, or to make the Su-35 a two-seater?
          In addition, it is necessary to standardize the technological processes as well. Irkut and Komsomolsk. And then, over time, the production of the Su-35 / 35UB would be completely transferred to Irkut, and the Su-57 would be built in Komsomolsk. By the way, NAZ should be transferred to the production of Su-57 in a few years
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 9 September 2020 14: 22 New
            -1
            This was not and will not be. Su-35 transmission.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 9 September 2020 14: 31 New
              -2
              Hey Hey!? Who minus, can we justify? AND? Minus is deeply indifferent to me. Just wondering.
      4. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 8 September 2020 13: 31 New
        +5
        uh ... cheaper? and old su-30cm, what do you want to do? modernization is always cheaper than buying a new aircraft ... so the decision is right ... all the more so that the budget and size of the aerospace forces are limited)
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 September 2020 13: 10 New
      +2
      How is it different now? In fact, there will be a two-seater Su35S .... it is not necessary to upgrade the Su30 initially, ..... but to upgrade the Su35S and make it a two-seater version ...
    5. VO3A
      VO3A 8 September 2020 13: 18 New
      +1
      And now the main thing! Many believe that a 6th generation aircraft can be unmanned or in two versions, but it seems to me that the 6th generation aircraft will be with two pilots, or rather a pilot and an operator, and there are good reasons for this!
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 21: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: VO3A
        but it seems to me that the 6th generation aircraft will have two pilots, more precisely a pilot and an operator, and there are good reasons for this!


        You and your opponents may be right here. In what way? The same Su-57 will be made two-seater. But it will be the lead aircraft of the flight, to which 2 to 6 wingmen will be closed.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 9 September 2020 13: 41 New
          0
          But he will be the lead of the flight

          The idea is correct, but very narrow and superficial! If you are guessing and thinking in blitz mode, you can imagine how deep a well thought-out concept can be!
          I want to help you, try to define a 5th generation aircraft, and emphasize when it becomes so, what is the fundamental difference ... Otherwise, it is difficult to talk about the 6th!
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 10 September 2020 09: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: VO3A
            The idea is correct, but very narrow and superficial!


            Didn't I say that wingmen should be drones? Moreover, in terms of dynamics, range, sensors, they must correspond to the Leader.
            1. Hexenmeister
              Hexenmeister 10 September 2020 09: 52 New
              +1
              slaves ... to the leader ...
              Or maybe it is not necessary to divide according to the principle of subordination? Let's divide by functions:
              - receiving information;
              - targeting;
              - attacker.
              And each member of the group can perform not only one function, but also a set of functions, or even all, and besides, each member of such a group can be both manned and unmanned.
    6. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 September 2020 13: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: SAG
      And how will the su-30cm2 differ from the su-35?!? what Is it really just a spark ...

      Manufacturing plant.
      Su-35 makes Komsomolsk-on-Amur. And the Su-30SM is made by Irkutsk. And, apparently, it turned out to be easier for Irkutsk to "pull up" the Su-30SM than to establish production of the Su-35. smile
      1. Ustin
        Ustin 8 September 2020 15: 36 New
        +1
        You might think that serial factories themselves "tighten" products. The engine is unified. The solution is correct. The possibility of modifying the system for this "motor" is the same. The possibilities for modernization are far from exhausted. The production is well-adjusted.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 19: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And, apparently, it turned out to be easier for Irkutsk to "pull up" the Su-30SM than to establish production of the Su-35.

        Absolutely.
      3. SAG
        SAG 8 September 2020 22: 03 New
        0
        The best answer hi
    7. garik77
      garik77 8 September 2020 14: 13 New
      +5
      There are a lot of ready-made SU-30s, it is easier to upgrade them to the level of SU-35 than to rivet new thirty-fifths.
    8. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 8 September 2020 16: 39 New
      0
      Quote: SAG
      And how will the su-30cm2 differ from the su-35?!? what Is it really just a spark ...

      The closest relative of the Su-35S is the Su-37. They differ from the Su-30 in hulls (as well as in the technology of their production), wings, avionics, which is unlikely to be the same, since the Su-30 is more sharpened for work on the ground (for which the PGO), and the Su-35s for work on air.
      1. figwam
        figwam 8 September 2020 18: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Bad_gr
        The closest relative of the Su-35S is the Su-37

        The Su-37 is not a production vehicle.
        Quote: Bad_gr
        since the Su-30 is more sharpened for work on the ground (for which the PGO),

        The Su-30 was designed to gain air superiority with the ability to work on the ground, and it needs PGO to conduct super-maneuverable air combat.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 9 September 2020 12: 11 New
          0
          Quote: figvam
          The Su-37 is not a production vehicle.

          What does it change? Su-27, Su-30 - the main material of the aircraft is aluminum alloys,
          Su-37, Su-35s - aluminum-lithium alloys and composites, there is a lot of welding instead of riveting in the technology.
    9. antivirus
      antivirus 8 September 2020 16: 51 New
      -3
      The name is clear!

      the color of the paint .. or the coating? and the chairs
  4. Orange
    Orange bigg 8 September 2020 11: 45 New
    +5
    It was a reasonable decision that they did not invent another engine. For a long time, and why, if there is also Product 30 for the Su-57 of the second stage? That is, the new engine for the Su-30SM2 would not be a breakthrough anyway.
    In addition, the fighter also has upgraded optics, radar and surveillance systems. Experts note that at the moment the Su-30SM in the basic configuration are the most numerous modern air assets in service with Russia and its closest allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

    The AL-41F-1S engine with an all-aspect controlled thrust vector is known as the "Product 117S". Compared to the Su-30SM power plant, which the fighter is currently equipped with, the thrust of the new engine has been increased by 16%, to 14 kgf. The service life of the aircraft engine doubled at once, up to 500 thousand hours, without increasing the mass and dimensions.

    https://iz.ru/1057991/2020-09-07/su-30sm2-do-kontca-2020-goda-vzletit-s-novym-dvigatelem
  5. Matthias
    Matthias 8 September 2020 12: 00 New
    -28
    The aircraft is armed with an extensive arsenal of precision weapons and bombs ...
    ... most of which he can only use with a suspended sighting container, and they are not in the Russian Air Force.
    But at least some kind of unification of even machines on the same Su27 base, this is already an achievement in reality.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 8 September 2020 12: 05 New
      18
      The Russian Air Force does not exist.
      There is a videoconferencing system of the Russian Federation.
      Designed, among other things, to destroy Nazis of any subspecies.
      Russia is a multinational and truly multicultural country.
      You cannot understand and achieve such a level of interethnic relations.
      1. Matthias
        Matthias 8 September 2020 12: 37 New
        -25
        Quote: Livonetc
        The Russian Air Force does not exist.

        What are you talking about. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, for some reason, has a completely different opinion on this matter.
        https://structure.mil.ru/structure/forces/air.htm
        Designed, among other things, to destroy Nazis of any subspecies.
        I propose to start with home-grown Nazis who dream of destroying "the whole world to dust" and do not consider all their neighbors (and many fellow citizens) to be people.
        Russia is a multinational and truly multicultural country.
        At the same time, for some reason, practically nothing remained of the small peoples, and yet several centuries ago they outnumbered the Russian-speaking population of the empire.
        .
        And where did you get such a leap about nationality in a topic seemingly alien from politics? Somehow stepped on the corn ??
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 8 September 2020 16: 53 New
          -2
          I suggest starting with homegrown Nazis who dream of destroying "the whole world to dust" and all

          if you do not return Navalny, there will be
      2. asura
        asura 8 September 2020 12: 40 New
        +2
        Oh, the multinationals have arrived, the Russian Air Force turns out to be gone. Still okay, the Russians themselves are not denied existence. Although you can easily wait for this from Noviops.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 8 September 2020 13: 14 New
          +1
          The state is the Russian Federation and, accordingly, the Russian Aerospace Forces ... everything else is interpretation from foreign languages. Otherwise, you can continue with the Russian Air Force further, into very unsightly spaces.
          1. asura
            asura 8 September 2020 14: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Zaurbek
            everything else is interpretation from foreign languages

            Wow, the word "Russian" is already among Noviopians - it is "interpretation from foreign languages".
            The R-word is banned by multinationals, how can I forget. Is it okay that the very word Russia comes from the self-designation of Russians? Was “Russian” originally synonymous with “Russian”? The successors of the ideas of Lenin and Trotsky worked diligently to eradicate this.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 8 September 2020 14: 40 New
              0
              You can continue to exercise with the term - Slav ... And Lenin and Trotsky and their followers created the term - Soviet man or Soviet pilot.
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 8 September 2020 16: 52 New
        0
        to call a Bavarian pshek is a shame
    2. KCA
      KCA 8 September 2020 12: 37 New
      +4
      The Russian Aerospace Forces has a Hephaestus SVP-24 of various modifications, including for the SU-30SM, and the SVP is not a device for hanging containers, but is installed in the aircraft body
      1. Matthias
        Matthias 8 September 2020 12: 53 New
        -19
        The Russian Aerospace Forces has a SVP-24 "Gefest"
        Firstly, the real effectiveness of Hephaestus is visible in many videos of militants in which su24 (with Hephaestus, apparently, there are no others there, according to the officials) are putting bombs where Allah will send.
        Secondly, there is not a single su30 with "hephaestus" (even if there is such a possibility, which I doubt) and there is even nothing to discuss here.
        1. KCA
          KCA 8 September 2020 13: 28 New
          +6
          On many videos, the SU-24 drops FAB cast iron, which, I suppose, have been in warehouses since the Second World War, I will not say the exact number, the pilots will say, as far as I remember, the FAB hitting a circle with a radius of 30 meters from the target is considered a successfully completed exercise, dumping at the target 8 tons of cast iron is much cheaper than one KAB, do pensioners have to pay pensions, or will we dump KAB for each house from dung?
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 September 2020 13: 15 New
        -1
        Su35S also has it.
  6. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 8 September 2020 12: 05 New
    +5
    Absolutely correct decision. This strange zoo in the Air Force has always been surprising. Another would be to standardize the Su-34 in the same way.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 September 2020 13: 16 New
      -2
      Look at the American approach with F15EX ..... this is how Su30xxx should become and Su34 is not there.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 September 2020 13: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Absolutely correct decision. This strange zoo in the Air Force has always been surprising.

      This zoo is dictated by the capabilities of the industry.
      Komsomolsk-on-Amur can only make Su-30M2 and Su-35. Irkutsk - only Su-30SM. When the first order was placed under Serdyukov, the planes were needed just yesterday - there was no time to set up the production of a single model. Therefore, we ordered two types of new Su-30s - only to be handed over quickly. Then KnAAZ mastered the Su-35 - and there were three types.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 September 2020 14: 51 New
        +1
        Each plant works as best it can. Saturating the Air Force? One MiG sabotages the MiG35S
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 21: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        under Serdyukov, the first order was placed, then the planes were needed even yesterday


        You have forgotten in my opinion about 12 newly built after 2009 12 Su-27cm3. Even if partly from the groundwork.
  7. bars1
    bars1 8 September 2020 12: 09 New
    +5
    Quote: Matthias
    most of which he can only use with a suspended sighting container, and they are not in the Russian Air Force.

    No, it can also use laser-guided missiles without a container, but from a dive. LN bombs are more difficult, but possible. Although it is very inconvenient to use these types of weapons without a container. And in terms of navigation at night, the container is a great help. It is unclear what caused such a bias of the RF Ministry of Defense against PRN containers? They have been used in the USA for 50 years.
    1. Matthias
      Matthias 8 September 2020 18: 57 New
      -6
      can also use laser-guided missiles without a container, but with a dive
      without a container, the su30 cannot find, identify or highlight a ground target. Neither from the bend nor anything else.
      It is unclear what caused such a bias of the RF Ministry of Defense against PRN containers?
      it is not "bias" that leaves an industry that is simply unable to rapidly create modern compact electronics. The same problem as with the UAV. It's easier to wait a dozen years and buy a ready-made production license from the ever-backward bourgeoisie.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 22: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: bars1
      No, it can also use laser-guided missiles without a container, but from a dive.

      I have not heard otherwise. In the SUV Su-30SM, solutions are fully implemented that allow aiming bombing. In particular, primarily with the help of radar. UR Air-surface, it is quite capable of using it for previously reconnoitered targets, etc. etc.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 9 September 2020 14: 33 New
        +1
        MiG-27 modification D or K. I do not remember which of them was equipped with the "Kaira" sight. But ... in the mid-80s, squadron commander Sasha Nason put a training bomb on a bet in a certain window of the target building at the Tasyrhoy training ground. Something like this.
  8. bars1
    bars1 8 September 2020 12: 17 New
    0
    Of course, Irbis is also not the top of radar technologies, but better than the already half-blind Leopard.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 September 2020 13: 16 New
      +4
      It is high time to adapt AFAR on Su35 and 34 and 30
      1. Matthias
        Matthias 8 September 2020 18: 59 New
        -1
        With ROFAR, Russian fighters will zero out all NATO aircraft.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 8 September 2020 19: 52 New
          0
          And even with it they will not reset. For there are few of them ...
  9. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 12: 36 New
    +1
    As previously reported, within the framework of the import substitution program, the Adaptation-Su design and development project was launched on the base Su-30SM. In the course of this ROC, it was initially planned to strengthen the fighter's armament and change the avionics. In this form, the aircraft received the designation Su-30SM1. However, further it was decided to maximize the unification of the Su-30SM and Su-35S. Option with the installation of AL-41F-1S and the "Irbis" radar together with the previously made changes, it received the Su-30SM2 index.


    If this is true then this is just wonderful ..
    But seriously, it would be better to put the Su-35UB into series on the Irkut.
  10. novel66
    novel66 8 September 2020 12: 44 New
    +4
    it was planned to strengthen armament

    , right! it is high time to put 152 mm, and unify with "reinforcement"
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 8 September 2020 13: 04 New
      +2
      , right! it is high time to put 152 mm, and unify with "reinforcement"

      The Voice of the Gunsmith rang out))
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 September 2020 13: 10 New
        +2
        there are true values lol
  11. rudolff
    rudolff 8 September 2020 12: 46 New
    +2
    It will be a Su-35UB spark rather than a Su-30.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 8 September 2020 12: 52 New
      +1
      Do our technological processes during the construction of the Su-30SM (Irkut) and Su-35 (Komsomolsk) exactly coincide? I suppose the gliders are different there. So de facto it will be a modification of the Su-30
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 9 September 2020 10: 17 New
        +1
        They don't exactly match. Those. there are different production documentation, technical plans, separate technical processes, etc. Irkut and Sukhoi, although formally part of the same holding, are different companies.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 9 September 2020 10: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: d4rkmesa
          Those. there are different production documentation, technical plans, separate technical processes, etc. Irkut and Sukhoi, although formally part of the same holding, are different companies.


          Alas, and the consequence of this is an increase in the cost of maintaining the Air Force fleet. I am wrong?

          Of course, you can see better from the sofa. wassat drinks But in my opinion, it is necessary to audit the production of Sukhoi in 25-27 years. Both Irkut and NAZ, and Komsomolsk should be brought to a single production standard for technological processes, etc. And it is desirable to leave in the series only Su-57, Su-35 / Su-35UB by that time.
          1. d4rkmesa
            d4rkmesa 9 September 2020 11: 01 New
            +1
            "And it is desirable to leave only Su-57 and Su-35 / Su-35UB in the series by that time." - this will lead to the fact that there will be one military aircraft plant - KnAAZ. Those. bringing to the standard by liquidation and reduction. But this is almost inevitable. Is that some kind of LMFS will appear, really massive.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 9 September 2020 11: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: d4rkmesa
              One military aircraft plant, KnAAZ, was launched.


              This would certainly not be correct.
              However, the main thing is that KNAAAZ must have a backup. At least because of the geographical location. And in my opinion, NAZ is doomed to become such, at least due to its geographical location.
          2. mmaxx
            mmaxx 18 September 2020 15: 11 New
            0
            Lead to one workflow? Are the factories the same? Are they the same equipment? One laugh.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 September 2020 13: 17 New
      +4
      Su35 in 1 and 2 seater versions is better than Su35 and Su30
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 8 September 2020 13: 25 New
        +2
        I agree. And so in the new version, in fact, we get a two-seater version of the Su-35, but with a different glider. Can it be easier to fork out for new equipment for the Su-35 for Irkut, since in all other respects the unification will be almost complete?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 8 September 2020 14: 43 New
          +2
          It’s easier, probably, to completely assign one plant for Su35 in 1 and 2 local versions ..... And rivet them day and night. And the rest are under the Su57.
  12. Grievous
    Grievous 8 September 2020 13: 08 New
    +1
    Why on our planes only one bomb is hung on one point of the suspension, and on foreign 4-6?
    1. novel66
      novel66 8 September 2020 13: 14 New
      +7
      Who said?



      Multi-lock beam holder MBD3-U6-68 is designed for suspension, transportation and dropping of six bombs of various modifications of caliber up to 250 kg from Su-24 (M), Su-27, Su-30MKI, Su-30MKK aircraft.

      The holder provides tactical or emergency dropping of aerial bombs, cocking of fuses after the actual separation of the aerial bomb, the use of aerial bombs for 30 days without removing them and carrying out additional checks and adjustments of the holder, 500 discharges of aerial bombs during the assigned resource of 1500 flight hours and a service life of 15 years. The holder is operational at ambient temperatures from -60 ° C to + 60 ° C, under kinetic heating, under the influence of sea fog, dust, frost, dew, solar radiation, under icing conditions.

      1. Grievous
        Grievous 8 September 2020 14: 08 New
        -1
        But what about guided bombs and missiles?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 8 September 2020 14: 44 New
          0
          They are for unguided bombs ....
          1. Grievous
            Grievous 8 September 2020 14: 58 New
            -1
            And the Americans do.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 8 September 2020 15: 00 New
              0
              China and Pakistan only presented such a suspension at FT-17. And on the Su-27 yet.
              But there was no point either. Small bombs with correction were just presented at the Army2020.
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 8 September 2020 17: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Grievous
        Why on our planes only one bomb is hung on one point of the suspension, and on foreign 4-6?

    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 8 September 2020 13: 21 New
      11
      They just rarely appear in the press.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 9 September 2020 00: 14 New
        0
        What's that impressive?
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 9 September 2020 08: 39 New
          0
          Beam holder for 6+ bombs, as in the photo above (MBD3-U6-68). True, the watermark of another resource gets in the way, you can look for a better photo.
  13. Wolf
    Wolf 8 September 2020 21: 26 New
    +3
    Excellent move, AL 41 F and product 30, 2 masterpieces in the aviation industry, in addition to unification and cost reduction and logistics problems. The SU 30 with such an engine will be a masterpiece on the world market.
  14. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 9 September 2020 00: 13 New
    -1
    When will the MiG-35 be assembled? And will there be?
    1. FRoman1984
      FRoman1984 9 September 2020 05: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Black Colonel
      When will the MiG-35 be assembled? And will there be?

      Apparently - never. There is no news on it.
      Apparently, the Ministry of Defense, due to limited resources, is in no hurry to invest in an aircraft that is conceptually similar to the Su-30. About the fact that it is "light" is nonsense, it is much heavier than the really light F-16, Grippen, etc.
      1. ole1
        ole1 9 September 2020 13: 46 New
        0
        earlier, all tables indicated that the empty mass of the moment 35 is 11 tons. Exactly the same as Eurofighter. Rafal and f16 of the last blocks had an empty mass in the region of 10 tons. That is, the Mig 35 completely fell under the definition of a lung.

        Now I looked at Wikipedia (although it is clear that the source is not very good) - there the mass of an empty moment 35 is 13.5 tons! if this is true, then the thrust-to-weight ratio is worse than that of all 4+ and 5 aircraft, in addition, outdated avionics
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 9 September 2020 11: 04 New
      0
      A miracle must happen. For example, they will finish the AFAR, which will show excellent results, so much that it will "kill", for example, everything that is older than the Su-35 in terms of range. Those. a kind of Russian "Super Hornet" will appear.
  15. AML
    AML 9 September 2020 01: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: VO3A
    And now the main thing! Many believe that a 6th generation aircraft can be unmanned or in two versions, but it seems to me that the 6th generation aircraft will be with two pilots, or rather a pilot and an operator, and there are good reasons for this!

    While one is passed out due to overloads, the second is driving? :)
  16. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 9 September 2020 05: 37 New
    -1
    21 aircraft in the new order is not enough. After all, it is necessary to re-equip the naval aviation with the Su-24.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 September 2020 11: 13 New
      +2
      It seems that this is only for the fleet. There are 22 built, not built according to the old order 6. New order 21.
      Total 49.
      Not enough. Assuming that we need a two-squadron ShAP for the minimum fleet.
      Then 4 regiments leave - SF, Black Sea Fleet, BF and Pacific Fleet (Vladik) + a squadron in Kamchatka. In total, the minimum required delivery for the Navy 108 Su-30cm. Rather, 108 + 2 Su-30cm. 2 sides still in eisk
  17. ole1
    ole1 9 September 2020 13: 37 New
    0
    Is there infa about how the OLS will change?