Strength experiments for a 60-round magazine for "Schmeisser"

Modern gunsmiths, among a wide range of tasks to be solved, single out one that is associated with an increase in the capacity of the store for an automatic rifle weapons... At the same time, a magazine with an increased capacity should not be bulky, so as not to interfere with effective firing.

The German company Schmeisser is among others representing the solution to this problem. She created a magazine for 60 rounds for various types of automatic small arms produced at her enterprises. A system is placed in the magazine box, consisting of two springs of different stiffness, which provide a multi-row arrangement of cartridges with their subsequent supply.

The Polenar Tactical YouTube channel decided to conduct a series of experiments with this store, including strength experiments. The Schmeisser small arms store was thrown onto the road and driven over in a car. After that, the store was fastened to the AR-line rifle and started firing.

The video shows experiments with a 60-cartridge magazine for weapons of the "Schmeisser" type:

Comments

[Pessimist22]

In the service I used both AKM-AKMS and AK-AKS-AK74m, on the first I saw three types of stores, bakelite, iron and aluminum, on the second bakelite and plastic, bakelite and plastic are better, lighter.

[mat-vey]

"A system is placed in the magazine box, consisting of two springs of different stiffness, which provide a two-row arrangement of cartridges with their subsequent supply."
The main thing is that it would be like with the previous Schmeisser patent, which Hugo did not work out ..

[Ua3qhp]

As if a two-row arrangement is provided by one spring. 60 rounds is more like four rows with an acceptable length.

[mat-vey]

As if in the MR-38 (40) full store to load it was fraught ...

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good day. On MP-38 (40) stores, it was not recommended to load more than 28 rounds during long-term storage (more than a month) due to spring subsidence and cartridge wedging at the point of rebuilding in one row in dusty stores, modern reenactors use magazines from the Belgian Vigneron M2 submachine gun , which are almost an exact copy of the German ones. A stronger spring is installed on them and there are no problems with feeding the cartridges.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

A stronger spring is installed on them and there are no problems with feeding the cartridges.

So that's what we are talking about ... it is extremely unreliable when it all depends on the quality of one detail ...
Moreover - "A system consisting of two springs of different stiffness is placed in a store box" ... there is another factor that reduces reliability ...

[saygon66]

- It depends on how the store is made ... If during feeding there is a transition from two rows to one row, then there are two springs. As in PMM stores

[thinker]

Quote: Ua3qhp

60 rounds is more like four rows

Just an error in the article

To prevent readers from having a misconception about the novelty of the idea, we recall that the first, known to the editorial board of the KALASHNIKOV magazine, a 4-row magazine for an automatic cartridge is a Soviet magazine for an experienced Konstantinov light machine gun of the mid-50s of the last century. Neither then, nor later were such designs integrated into army systems.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/kalashnikov/na-te-je-grabli-60zariadnyi-magazin-shmaiser-5e1b33dce6e8ef00b12dd4db

[Matthias]

On some submachine guns, four-row magazines were placed back in World War II, and not to say that they showed themselves badly, however, they did not have a noticeable effect.

[thinker]

Exactly, we will know ...

If we talk about box magazines with 4 rows of cartridges, then the first such serial store was created and put into service in Sweden shortly before the start of World War II.

https://army-news.org/2019/03/istoriya-oruzhiya-chetyrexryadnye-magaziny/

[Matthias]

Due to the long shaft of the store, the store itself, for almost half of its length, has a conventional two-row layout, which has a very detrimental effect on the dimensions.
In this regard, the AK is much more successful, the magazine for 60 rounds in length is almost the same as the usual 30.

[Undecim]

Quote: thinker

To prevent readers from having a misconception about the novelty of the idea, we recall that the first, known to the editorial board of the KALASHNIKOV magazine, a 4-row magazine for an automatic cartridge is a Soviet magazine for an experienced Konstantinov light machine gun of the mid-50s of the last century. Neither then, nor later were such designs integrated into army systems.

So that the reader does not have a false idea of ​​the novelty of the idea, in the figure on the right
unknown, apparently, to the editorial board of the Kalashnikov magazine, a four-row store for the Finnish PP Suomi KP / -31, 1931.

[Jack O'Neill]

These magazines will be very popular with us, for 10 rounds, but as 60 chambers.
In general, there have been such stores for a long time, both Kolt and Magpul.

[Alexfly]

And the guys for AK do not sell the same stores, otherwise you will not wait from their own, just talk about expediency ...

[Gloomy skeptic]

Wow! The store was dropped from a height of 50 centimeters and it did not crash! This is the quality! We learned how to do it! They even ran over with a rubber wheel and it is not at all a fact that the wheel was fastened to the car, the video simply does not show this.
Someone dared to call these gentle touches to the fragile plastic cartridge box tests?
Well, yes, well, yes, and all the cartridges were shot from this store and it didn't even fall apart! This is the quality !!!
Either the narodishko has become completely stupid, or the authors of such advertising "masterpieces" consider him so.