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Nord Stream 2 and Germany. With Navalny instead of gas?

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In 2015, if my memory serves me right, Vladimir Putin said beautiful words: "If a fight is inevitable, you must hit first!" Our president, by his own admission, took this wisdom from the Leningrad streets half a century ago. Then on "Valdai" they talked about terrorism and the military operation of our Aerospace Forces in Syria. Today the same principle is gaining relevance for a completely different reason: Russia is being beaten again, moreover with a backhand, and even meanly, without any rules. And we are not even talking about the first, preemptive strike, but about self-defense.


The obvious provocation of the West is aimed at bringing our country to final submission, to a complete rejection of attempts to influence the fate of even the very near abroad, called the post-Soviet space. There is not the slightest doubt that the clumsy farce with Navalny's "poisoning" is revenge for the failure of an attempt to arrange a "color revolution" in Minsk. The main subject of blackmail in this case is not even the next international sanctions, of which a great many have already been introduced against us, but a very specific project: the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

However, who said that the collapse of this truly difficult and long-suffering undertaking will most painfully hit our country? Why doesn't Moscow seize the initiative and finally try to turn its own against the West? weapon? Do you think this is impossible? In vain. Already now, German politicians are experiencing a split of unprecedented depth, and precisely because of the issue of Navalny and Nord Stream 2.

It is quite expected that all sorts of oppositionists are actively promoting themselves on the "hot" topic. For example, Agnieszka Brugger, deputy leader of the Greens in the Bundestag, says that "the end of the pipeline project will be a proportionate response to the poisoning." She is also warmly supported by the official representative of the parliamentary faction of the Free Democratic Party on foreign policy Bijan Jir-Saray, who claims that construction in the Baltic "must be urgently stopped."

Some representatives of the ruling coalition are already saying something similar. In particular, the candidate for the post of head of the Christian Democratic Union and the head of the foreign affairs committee in the Bundestag, Norbert Röttgen, as well as the head of the European People's Party group in the European Parliament, Manfred Weber, “admit the end of Nord Stream 2”. Nevertheless, German Chancellor Angela Merkel continues to adhere to the previously stated position: "Navalny is separate, the gas pipeline is separate." Alas, Frau Chancellor is increasingly being urged to change her mind. Its representative, Steffen Seibert, said just yesterday that the head of the government "is inclined to agree with the words of the foreign minister," who, we recall, made it clear at the end of last week: "Berlin can change its position on the pipeline if Moscow's actions force him to do it." ...

Heiko Maas is easy to say. His business is diplomacy. But Merkel, if something happens, will have to deal with at least representatives of those German and European companies, whose multimillion-dollar investments in the construction of Nord Stream 2 will go down the drain along with hopes for future profits. And that's only half the problem. Not so long ago, the heads of government of the states of North Rhine-Westphalia and Saxony, Armin Laschet and Michael Kretschmer, openly and very sharply opposed even the very idea of ​​"freezing" the construction of the gas pipeline, and even more so a complete rejection of it. If Frau Chancellor follows the lead of those eager to punish Russia, not the Russians will say “thank you very much” to her. And just the Germans, who will definitely not like this decision.

And here is the time for Moscow to show its character! Are you making totally trumped-up charges against us? Trying to threaten and twist your arms? So you won't get a gas pipeline or gas! This can and should be approximately the reaction of the Kremlin to the unfolding Russophobic bacchanalia. Shall we chop off the branch on which we ourselves are sitting? Let's play into the hands of the United States and its plans to expand American energy resources into Europe? Far from being a fact. Yes, Donald Trump has already rushed to express his most ardent support for the termination of the pipeline. But what will he do with Russian LNG?

According to a statement made at the beginning of this year by the head of the Russian Ministry of Energy, Alexander Novak, by 2035 Russia could well increase the production of liquefied "blue fuel" to 100, or even up to 120 million tons per year. There are real preconditions for the implementation of such grandiose plans. This is the launch of new lines at Yamal LNG, the construction of new colossal enterprises: Baltic LNG, Sakhalin-2 and Arctic LNG. The latter is of particular importance, since it is the liquefaction of gas in the Far North, coupled with its transportation along the Northern Sea Route, that will actually allow delivering our fuel to European markets without competition.

Trump (or whoever will be sitting in the White House next year) can gloat about Nord Stream 2 as much as he wants, but in 2019 the United States barely managed to take the third place in LNG supplies to Europe, in the last quarter displacing the their all year round Nigeria and Algeria. Russia, on the other hand, confidently and with a large margin took second place, losing only to Qatar. And all this without the projects mentioned above. Moreover, taking into account the fact that a few years ago there was no Russian LNG on European markets as such.

Yes, we will have to do a lot: develop production, improve infrastructure, build our own tanker fleet. However, our country can do all this by itself, without becoming dependent on extremely unreliable "partners" who subsequently try to take by the throat, using joint projects as leverage.

Perhaps pipelines are indeed the last century. The experience of the last two “great projects”, Turkish Stream and Nord Stream 2, shows that such expensive international projects too easily turn from a source of potential profit into sources of a very real headache.

Perhaps Moscow really should, seizing the moment, show firmness and even toughness, especially since the current conjuncture of energy prices in Europe does not really stimulate the forced launch of Nord Stream 2. I wonder how Berlin will like the prospect of being left without gas? With one Navalny and his own ambitions?
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 September 2020 05: 17 New
    +8
    pipelines really are the last century
    You still need to be able to sell LNG! This can be a problem with our managers!
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    2. Finches
      Finches 8 September 2020 06: 33 New
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      SP-2 needs to be completed in any way! As, incidentally, Navalny, and the entire liberal-treacherous stratum of the population, there are, thank God, not so much and there will be enough bins for everyone; otherwise, sooner or later, we will get riots that will surpass in their senselessness and ruthlessness the Ukrainian Maidans, Belarusian protests, buchu yellow vests and Dance niggas, taken together, that will lead to the collapse of the already modern Russia - that is fed to it and the Anglo-Saxons, not really changing their methods successfully tested in February 1917 and August 1991!
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 8 September 2020 07: 39 New
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        I agree with the author of the article only that LNG transportation is a competitive gas carrier. It annoys me that there are references to the future tense again. Let the people be patient until 2035 (to live). And there we are! But the state needs money here and now. I also disagree with my respected Eugene that SP-2 should be suppressed anyway. Press down? Indicate the press, please. Unfortunately, our opponent becomes, under the influence of a competitor, not a reasonable buyer, but a capricious lady. I don’t want to buy in this store - I don’t like the way the saleswoman is dressed, I’ll go to the next one, it’s even more expensive there, but the seller is cute.
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 September 2020 08: 15 New
          -5
          hi You need to bring the project to mind out of principle! Here, the political component prevails over the economic one - this is the strengthening of the international prestige of Russia and the public humiliation of the Anglo-Saxons!
          1. New
            New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 31 New
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            You need to bring the project to mind out of principle!

            So bring it up! Why is the construction site idle for months? Your desire alone is not enough
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 September 2020 10: 40 New
              +3
              But cash does not need to be transferred ... Those who are supposed to deal with this issue! movers and big multinationals ...
              1. New
                New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 58 New
                -1
                Quote: Finches
                But you do not need to transfer cash.

                No personalities hi but calls without justification are words for which nothing stands.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 8 September 2020 11: 02 New
                  -1
                  hi Well, we will consider this as my private civil position, which, I hope, fully coincides with the interests of the leadership of our state in this matter!
                  1. New
                    New Year day 8 September 2020 11: 04 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Finches
                    Well, let's consider this as my private civil position

                    Received hi and my civic position is that they just littered the flows like suckers - "your pipe is your problem"
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 8 September 2020 19: 00 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      with streams just lit as suckers- "your pipe is your problem"

                      This is not only our problem, since SP-2 is a joint project, and German business is entering the same popandos. Germany is abandoning nuclear energy and coal, and is considering gas and green energy as replacements. American LNG is expensive, and the green stuff does not allow to meet the needs of the industry, and therefore the produced goods will be expensive and uncompetitive in comparison with the same American and Chinese goods. German business is quite influential and I do not think that ardent opponents of the SP-2 "from politics", blowing in unison with the mattresses, will receive its support. Not washing, so skating, not in a year, so in three - but the SP-2 will be completed. There it is not yet clear what the mattresses themselves will have after the November presidential elections, and perhaps for some time they will not have time for someone's "pipes to wobble."
                      1. Antagonist
                        Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 49 New
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                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        for some time they will not be up to the fact that someone's "pipes swaying".

                        I doubt it. They always, in any circumstances, climb everywhere. And they will "sway the pipe" under any administration and in any internal situation.
                  2. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 8 September 2020 19: 15 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Finches
                    hi Well, we will consider this as my private civil position, which, I hope, fully coincides with the interests of the leadership of our state in this matter!

                    Perhaps I’m wrong, but I’m more inclined to agree with you than with the author of the article: SP-2 must be completed, and not rushed headlong into another adventure with liquefied gas. And I don’t think that "Navalny's poisoning" will be inflated, and not put on the brakes.
                    1. Antagonist
                      Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 50 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      I do not think that "Navalny's poisoning" will be inflated, and not put on the brakes.

                      It is not a fact that the case of "bulk poisoning" will be launched on the brakes. No wonder he was "poisoned" at the moment when the Belarusian opposition flew past with a coup. The Navalny case will be inflated precisely because of Belarus, and not because of the SP-2. And SP-2 will be completed and launched, because the gas pipeline is beneficial for both Germany and Russia.
                      1. solzh
                        solzh 10 September 2020 01: 48 New
                        +9
                        Quote: Antagonist
                        SP-2 will be completed and launched, because the gas pipeline is beneficial for both Germany and Russia

                        I would not rush to make such a statement. Germany may be encouraged to break the SP-2 agreement by the same states.
            2. perm23
              perm23 13 September 2020 06: 17 New
              0
              Stupidity, why write. It's not like playing in the sandbox.
          2. WIKI
            WIKI 8 September 2020 12: 04 New
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            Here, the political component prevails over the economic

            The plan for gasification of the regions was fulfilled only by 15% in three years. Here, what prevails and who does the destruction mean? This is an addition to your comment about riots.
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 September 2020 12: 10 New
              -2
              I don’t know what prevails over what in your comment - rebel, why are you not rebelling?
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 8 September 2020 12: 12 New
                +4
                Scratch your tongue, why shouldn't you scratch it.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 8 September 2020 12: 20 New
                  -1
                  You scratch, and what's worse? laughing
        2. WIKI
          WIKI 8 September 2020 11: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          It annoys me that there are references to the future tense again.

          If you look into the future, then by 2028, taking into account only those projects for which investment decision made, USA will increase production of LNG to 140 billion cubic meters. m (about 101 million tons). LNG production in Russia over the same period will grow only 2,7 times, from 25 billion to 68 billion cubic meters. m (about 50 million tons). "It may well" does not mean that money has been allocated for this.
          1. Dimonst
            Dimonst 8 September 2020 22: 11 New
            -1
            Let's not look into the future, because it is not interesting about the announced plans of the United States. Let's take a look at the cost of gas liquefaction in Texas and Qatar. Then we will look at the cost of gas liquefaction in Sabbet (by the way, the 2nd stage is being built as if opposite the 1st across the river). Considering that 2/3 of US gas carriers have been loaded there for 150-170 USD for several years. and all this is being taken to Europe under the pretext of gas from Texas))). Accordingly, they will increase as much as we can ...
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 8 September 2020 22: 22 New
              +2
              Do you think that if a product is bought by a representative of one country, on the territory of another, then it automatically changes the place of production. This gas, if it does not enter the United States and does not pass customs clearance, cannot be considered the property of the United States.
              1. Dimonst
                Dimonst 8 September 2020 22: 34 New
                0
                By the way, I agree. But nevertheless, this is a very large and profitable business, therefore, schemes (with the participation of 3 countries) have been present for more than one year, but how this is shown in the economy is a separate question. It is no secret that there are a lot of closed intergovernmental agreements, to which no sanctions are applicable (I know for sure, I myself sometimes participate in their implementation). Therefore, we (alas) can only guess how things really are request
          2. Antagonist
            Antagonist 9 September 2020 00: 06 New
            +8
            Quote: WIKI
            USA will increase production of LNG

            Well, they will increase it and then what? Let them build up. This is their right
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 9 September 2020 08: 58 New
              +3
              In this case, this was discussed:
              According to a statement made at the beginning of this year by the head of the Russian Ministry of Energy Alexander Novak, by 2035 Russia is quite could increase production of liquefied "blue fuel" up to 100, or even up to 120 million tons per year.
              "Could have increased" is not equivalent to "made an investment decision."
            2. solzh
              solzh 10 September 2020 01: 49 New
              +7
              Quote: Antagonist
              Well, they will increase it and then what?

              LNG will need to be sold somewhere, and in this regard, the United States may increase pressure on Germany on the SP-2 issue
        3. snake
          snake 8 September 2020 19: 26 New
          0
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          I agree with the author of the article only that LNG transportation is a competitive gas carrier.

          You shouldn't just agree with this. Author of great intelligence, foresight of access people.
          There is not the slightest doubt that the clumsy farce with Navalny's "poisoning" is revenge for the failure of an attempt to arrange a "color revolution" in Minsk.

          Kharaluzhny has no doubts about Navalny's poisoning! Hara would have named the sources of his doubts - he wouldn’t have a price.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 07: 51 New
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        Why finish building the SP-2? Who needs gas? Germany or Russia? If Germany or Europe needs gas, then let them pull the pipes to our wells! Why is Russia pulling pipes to them? This means that Russia needs the sale of gas, not the Europeans! Why then resent the actions of the Europeans? What are the claims to them? They don't need gas! If you need to refuel your car, you go to the gas station, not the gas station rushing to you! What are you putting everything upside down? What to do with the SP-2? Yes, take it apart and melt it down! Who needs it, they have already boiled on it and got rich well! Also disassemble other gas pipelines. Who needs gas, they themselves will stretch the pipes to our wells and I very much doubt that they will impose sanctions against themselves! And what is happening now is from the lack of intelligence of the Russian leadership! And the West should not be blamed for intrigues! Just ask yourself a simple question! Who needs gas? That who needs gas, let him pull the pipe! And the Russian leadership should be blamed, not the West! No need to run ahead of the horse, it will trample! No need to run ahead of the locomotive, it will crush you! What is going on well! And what has a horse or a steam locomotive to do with it? Why do we scold them if they themselves are to blame?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 8 September 2020 08: 37 New
          -3
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          If you need to refuel your car, you go to the gas station, not the gas station rushing to you!

          It is not necessary to refuel the car, but to heat the immovable house. Take him to ... the gas station?

          Therefore, they pull the pipes to him and he chooses.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 8 September 2020 08: 54 New
            +3
            If you need to refuel your car, a gas station will be built next to your house so that you do not go to the outskirts of the city to your competitors.

            Who needs gas? That who needs gas, let him pull the pipe!

            Are you proposing to liquidate the gas industry?
            Who needs it, they will buy SG from competitors.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 15: 34 New
              +5
              They don't build a gas station near every house. Why liquidate the gas industry? It can be developed at home.
            2. Antagonist
              Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 52 New
              +9
              Quote: Pereira
              Who needs it, they will buy SG from competitors.

              It all depends on the price, volumes ... Western bourgeois can count and invest their finances.
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 15: 33 New
            +5
            Well, let it be a motionless house. Do we have Gazprom carefully running around the households to supply gas to everyone? We seem to care about gas is the concern of residents, not Gazprom. why should it be different there?
        2. Horon
          Horon 8 September 2020 10: 49 New
          0
          And the Russian leadership should be blamed, not the West!

          What's so little? Then we must start with the leadership of the USSR! After all, they then decided to deliver gas to Europe by pipelines, because cheaper and more reliable delivery. Plus, the income for transportation is almost more than from the sale of gas, do you propose (this is what is of interest to everyone, including the Americans) to give it to others with corresponding losses for the budget? Give up the right to deliver gas to the same American companies completely, and the issue of pipelines will sink into oblivion, but you will be the first to fantasize that Russia has lost a serious source of income and "Chief, everything is lost!" It would have been a long time ago to have abandoned its construction, if they had not collected obligations for it, and there were a lot of them, and how the contracts were concluded, that they did not take into account the political force majeure, is known only to those who concluded it.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 15: 44 New
            +3
            The USSR was not so dependent on gas. He could export other goods as well. What will happen if the states sell gas to Europeans? Will they have expensive gas? Well, let them buy more! Why should we feel sorry for our competitors ?! Their goods will be more expensive, while Russian ones will be cheaper. Our economy will go uphill! Why feel sorry for our competitors? They need to create barriers, not help them! And everything is gone, it's screaming today. Chef, they don't want to take our gas! That's where the snot and tears are! The Japanese seem to live without gas exports. Or I'm wrong? And they seem to have something to export. Strange ?! How do they live without income from gas sales?
            1. perm23
              perm23 13 September 2020 06: 21 New
              0
              and what did the USSR trade except for oil and gas. The main volume of dollars was brought by just oil and gas. You would have even read something about the USSR before you put on your avatar.
        3. Andobor
          Andobor 8 September 2020 20: 16 New
          0
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          If you need to refuel your car, you go to the gas station, not the gas station rushing to you!

          There are dozens of gas stations around, - go to any, but the Americans want to burn them all and leave only their own,
          then look at the prices.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 20: 39 New
            0
            I think the rise in prices in Europe will be beneficial for Russia. Therefore, the states should not be prevented from taking over EU gas stations and raising prices there. We have capitalism ?! Competitors must be drowned, otherwise competitors will drown you! And the EU of Russia is of course a technological competitor. Is Russia really going to lose if, for example, the EU car factories are bent? And in general, if suddenly all EU production becomes very expensive! It's only for our good!
            1. Andobor
              Andobor 8 September 2020 20: 45 New
              0
              Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
              It's only for our good!

              Fortunately, first of all, America, Germany has a huge surplus in trade with the United States,
              not for us, they are trying to kill industry in Europe, because the Germans are so stubborn, and we need to sell gas anyway.
              And we will also sell with political dividends
            2. Antagonist
              Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 53 New
              10
              Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
              for Russia, rising prices in Europe will be for the good

              For the benefit of a small group of people called oligarchs, it will definitely be beneficial for them For the people of Russia, no. Since our oligarchs, following the rise in prices in Europe, will raise prices here.
        4. bk316
          bk316 9 September 2020 12: 28 New
          0
          Why finish building the SP-2?

          I rarely agree with the communists, but here you seem to be right.
          It was a good idea to tie up a Europipe for our gas, leave the 404 with an empty gas pipeline, and help the economy a little. However, it was possible ONLY to do it together with the Germans. If the Germans have merged, and it looks like they are. We must admit defeat in this round.

          Further, it is necessary to reduce supplies to Europe altogether, stop all supplies through 404, and use gas here.

          This will allow 404 to punish and the economy will benefit from gasification, and let the European woman deal with energy carriers herself.
          At the same time, tax revenues will decrease slightly and the effect of gasification may even be overridden. And in general, it's time to stop measuring everything by the amount of green paper earned.
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 8 September 2020 08: 43 New
        +1
        JV2 will be completed as soon as the state elections are over. There are 140 km left in shallow water. In the meantime, Trump shows how he is fighting the Russian plans for SP2, and we are fighting heroically with him. request The elections will take place and the stream will be completed in a few weeks. Because the global economy has seriously blown away this year. then the gas consumption was blown away too. Therefore, there is no sense in rushing. Let the states quarrel with the Germans a little more, and Trump will score points in the presidential race. Well, after the elections, the stream will be completed quickly and we will have another loud "victory". Like the states did their best to get in the way, but we got over it and all that.
      4. Olgovich
        Olgovich 8 September 2020 08: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Finches
        SP-2 needs to be completed in any way!

        Greetings, Eugene!

        You can recall that the "yellow vests" came out in the millions to protest due to the increase in the price of fuel by ....a few cents.

        The top of the nemchura, I think, keeps this in mind, otherwise the joint venture would have been lost long ago.

        Because it will be very difficult to explain to your yellow vests the need to pay more for gas due to some kind of attachment,
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 September 2020 09: 02 New
          -4
          hi Naturally, strategy is a strategy, but tactics - the interests of ordinary burghers - must not be forgotten either! The same can come out sideways ...
        2. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 15: 53 New
          +5
          And why is Olgovich so worried about the pockets of Europeans? Isn't it profitable for Russia to overwhelm competitors? What's wrong if prices rise in Europe? Their products will become more expensive, which means that Russian products will be more competitive in price! Today, China's products are the cheapest. Why can't Russia overwhelm its competitor Europe? Oh, their fuel prices will go up and they will go on strike! Don't give a damn about them! Let the prices go up! In Russia, prices are growing steadily and no one goes on strike and does not worry that prices are rising! So let them buy expensive American gas and bear the costs. I am only for the ruin of the European economy. The union is overwhelmed and no one buzzes!
      5. WIKI
        WIKI 8 September 2020 11: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        otherwise, sooner or later, we will get the riots that exceed in their senselessness and the ruthlessness of Maidan Ukrainian, Belarusian protests buchu yellow vests and Dance niggas, taken together,

        Intimidating prognosis, even considering your claim that,
        the liberal-treacherous stratum of the population, it is, thank God, not so much
        ... In my opinion, you are not telling us something, and you are clearly deliberately not mentioning the role of domestic politics in this story, which our government is pursuing.
      6. Kamarada
        Kamarada 8 September 2020 11: 48 New
        +2
        To prevent trouble in Russia, the government and the system must change
        1. Antagonist
          Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 53 New
          +9
          Quote: Kamarada
          power and order must change

          Please clarify which tuning?
      7. snake
        snake 8 September 2020 19: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        those taken that will lead to the collapse of already modern Russia - precisely to this

        Zyablitsev is a vivid example of a jingoistic patriot. His most important aspiration is to crush! It doesn't matter who or what. SP-2? (up to) crush! Navalny? Press? Liberals? Crush! Traitors? Crush! Niggas? Niggas ... How to call a ... Not blacks, namely Nigeria. Himself, Finch, I suppose all of himself is a White Man? How did it happen that the regiment was entrusted to you? You're completely stoned.
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 September 2020 19: 29 New
          -1
          And they didn’t trust you, sadness is trouble ... Maybe the problem is in you? For example, I do not insult a person especially, I don’t distort the surname during dialogue ... Sometimes, of course, I break down ... But in this case, what does not suit you? People traitors need to be judged or crushed, but according to the law, niggas, and what did I say wrong, how did I insult them? SP-2 needs to be completed? So this is the authority of our state ... What is your claim?
          And hurray-patriot ... so I gave the best years of my life to the Motherland, when it was very bad ... it's bad, it's not for me to judge, but let me ask you, what have you been doing since the collapse of the Union to this day? that they started calling me a hurray-patriot? However, you did not insult me ​​at all!
          1. snake
            snake 8 September 2020 19: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            For example, I do not insult a person especially, I do not distort the surname during dialogue ...

            Are you a human being? You are an industrial press. You just have to crush.
            Quote: Finches
            Traitor people must be judged

            Who will judge? And who are the traitors? Surely not you? Well, of course. You are our standard! But those who disagree with you are of course traitors. They need to be judged, punished and, as you like, crushed.
            Quote: Finches
            so I gave the best years of my life to the Motherland

            Perhaps ... perhaps the Motherland did not need this. Perhaps a more worthy commander could have been in your place.
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 September 2020 19: 49 New
              -1
              And you, I see a noble judge ... Indisputable author, I would even say ... laughing I saw everything, I knew everything on my own skin ... Why should we, sivorilym!
              1. snake
                snake 8 September 2020 22: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: Finches
                Indisputable author, I would even say ..

                No ... I'm a simple person ... But here the Internet and here, in theory, everyone is equal. You are probably accustomed to the fact that in front of you in the regiment they were stretching to the string, as in turn you stretched in front of your superiors, but this will not work here.
                Judging by your statements, you do not look like an officer - a performer from the firing squad. And you are naive at the same time. You are talking about some kind of battle of civilizations ...
                Seemingly middle-aged, but youthful maximalism from all cracks ...
                1. Finches
                  Finches 9 September 2020 06: 19 New
                  -1
                  I do not impose my opinion on you - as I think, I write! Naive, not naive ... here you have no position at all - neither naive nor different! You, my dear, spineless hack, trying to seem overly smart and wise, but for some reason through the prism of exorbitant greatness ... probably from the lack of elementary upbringing - the judgment on your appeals to a stranger and the construction of some stupid version - that I, who am I! I express my position, developed with life experience and the knowledge that I received ... I not only commanded, I also was engaged in teaching, led the department, so there is still experience in systematizing objective knowledge about reality from a scientific position! How true they are, this is another question ... I look like an officer, I don't look like, it is also not for you to judge, but I ask you, in the future, not to become personal, but simply to oppose on the case - and if there is nothing to say, so do not write anything at all! hi
                  1. snake
                    snake 9 September 2020 18: 57 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Finches
                    here you have no position whatsoever - neither naive nor different!

                    It does not happen that there is no position.
                    Quote: Finches
                    and if you don't really say anything, don't write anything at all!

                    There is something to say, but not the fact that it will reach the addressee ... Okay, there are ... hi
      8. 210ox
        210ox 9 September 2020 09: 26 New
        +1
        In our country, several such pipelines are lost every year. By not skill, carelessness, theft. Maybe we will put things in order in our own house?
      9. Hagen
        Hagen 9 September 2020 18: 40 New
        0
        It is necessary to include the statements and actions of politicians of the first echelon in the definition of the term "force majeure" and the reason for the termination of supply contracts without penalties. Then the situation with no responsible actions and statements by politicians will change. I'm sure..
      10. Klaus
        Klaus 11 September 2020 00: 52 New
        0
        What a well-aimed gentleman you are ... just like carrots you distribute arguments about "strata of the population." An indoor sofa eagle, from whose gaze not a single layer will hide.
        1. Klaus
          Klaus 11 September 2020 01: 03 New
          0
          I, at one time, graduated from historical universities, but I never allow such free interpretations with "strata of society". Interlayers - they are in women in pads, but not in the reasoning of adult men about the fate of the Motherland
          1. Klaus
            Klaus 11 September 2020 01: 07 New
            0
            They are recruiting someone ... there is not even anything to speculate about. If only filters at the entrance were put on the reception of people with extended horizons or something ...
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 07: 37 New
      +2
      You still need to be able to sell LNG!
      But they do trade! And it is even possible that the sale of LNG is more profitable than the pipe for the countries of consumers! Freeze? Well, then why shout that there is a warming and apple trees will soon bloom on Yamal, and the Northern Sea Route will be as warm as the sea of ​​Turkey?
    4. Civil
      Civil 8 September 2020 07: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Perhaps pipelines are indeed the last century. The experience of the last two “great projects”, Turkish Stream and Nord Stream 2, shows that such expensive international projects too easily turn from a source of potential profit into sources of a very real headache.

      It is clear)))) "it is not you, NATO dogs, the pipelines were closed to us, and we ourselves have abandoned them" lol go first
    5. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 07: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      LNG still needs to be able to sell

      At the end of 2019, the United States became the largest buyers of the sanctioned Russian oil and LNG. Have put in a couple of pads from France and Malaysia and don't sweat. Poles especially liked this "American" LNG :-)
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 8 September 2020 12: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Adam Khomich
        At the end of 2019, the United States became the largest buyers of the sanctioned Russian oil and LNG

        Where did you read that about LNG? "The United States has been the largest supplier of LNG to Europe since November 2019, and in February 2020, LNG imports from the United States reached a new record of 5,1 billion cubic feet per day (about 107 thousand tons of LNG daily or about 144 million cubic meters - ed. ), nearly double that of Qatar, Europe's second largest supplier. "
        1. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 18: 07 New
          -1
          Quote: WIKI
          The United States has been the largest LNG supplier to Europe since November 2019

          I understand you, but whose gas do they supply?
          According to RBK, Engie's LNG tanker Gaselys is transporting gas from the British Isle of Grain terminal (the cargo from Yamal LNG was originally purchased by the British branch of Malaysian Petronas - Petronas LNG UK Limited) to the American terminal Everett (Boston). Engie has booked regasification capacity in terminal Everett for 6,9 billion cubic meters. m per year. Somehow it all happens.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 8 September 2020 21: 13 New
            0
            In this case, Engie is just a trader. It does not matter to him which gas to load his tankers with. This gas would be considered American if it were unloaded in the United States and then exported, while passing through customs clearance and payment of the relevant taxes.
            1. Adam Khomich
              Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 21: 58 New
              -1
              It seems Boston and the Everett regasification terminal are in the United States. My first post was that the US buys LNG from Novatek through gaskets and is the largest buyer. Are you talking about customs duties and taxes :-)
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 8 September 2020 22: 07 New
                0
                But the tanker did not arrive in Boston.
                1. Adam Khomich
                  Adam Khomich 9 September 2020 07: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: WIKI
                  the tanker did not arrive in Boston.

                  Are you joking or trying to jump out of an awkward situation in which you put yourself?
                  It may be easier to admit your mistake :-)
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 9 September 2020 09: 05 New
                    +1
                    What I read at RBC, the tanker did not enter the port of Boston. In general, initially I asked a question on your statement that
                    USA steel the largest buyers of sanctioned Russian oil and LNG
                    .I don't think one tanker is the largest shipment.
                    1. Adam Khomich
                      Adam Khomich 9 September 2020 09: 11 New
                      -1
                      Quote: WIKI
                      I do not think

                      Your will. Only almost 7 billion cubic meters (in 2019) the USA bought something from Novatek for some reason :-)
                      1. WIKI
                        WIKI 9 September 2020 09: 12 New
                        +1
                        Was it bought by the US government, or by American traders?
                      2. Adam Khomich
                        Adam Khomich 9 September 2020 09: 23 New
                        0
                        Quote: WIKI
                        It was bought by the US state

                        You would also ask about the buyer's citizenship and his skin color :-)
                        Let it be known to you the United States, this is the United States of America! Each state is a separate state! I see no reason to continue the discussion with you. You are limited.
                      3. WIKI
                        WIKI 9 September 2020 09: 35 New
                        +1
                        You do not understand that a trader, having a nationality in one country, can move goods from different countries. At the same time, becoming only the owner of the goods, and not its owner.
                      4. Adam Khomich
                        Adam Khomich 9 September 2020 12: 43 New
                        0
                        Quote: WIKI
                        a trader, having a nationality to one country, can move goods from different countries

                        A trader may not have citizenship at all!
                        A kind of virtual garbage. You tired me with your narrow-mindedness in general, and in matters of international economic relations in particular. Farewell.
                      5. WIKI
                        WIKI 9 September 2020 14: 55 New
                        +1
                        You tired me with your narrow-mindedness in general. A trader can be either an individual or a legal entity. An individual must necessarily have citizenship, and a legal entity has a country affiliation.
  • New
    New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    This can be a problem with our managers!

    Especially when prices are dumped. The Saudis have lowered the price again
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 9 September 2020 14: 27 New
    0
    You need to be able to sell everything. And Gazprom's managers are not so bad if they managed to occupy more than 40% of the European market.
    But we cannot force people to buy gas, even pipe gas, even liquefied gas.
    The article contains a naive message, they say there are sanctions against gas pipelines, but it is impossible to impose them against LNG tankers ...
    There is no need to hope for the development of exports to the West and, in general, good neighborliness with it. Only pragmatic coexistence.
    Import substitution wherever possible. For example, a lot of Ukrainian imports have been replaced. Beauty! In the Russian Federation, machine-building enterprises were restored to work and competitors went bankrupt.
    So it is with the West, is Germany buying more gas, dreaming of becoming a gas hub in Europe? And we will proportionally open our market for German companies.
    Don't you have the heart to stop being the servant of the Americans?
    Well, very sorry ...
    Well, relying on our own market, we still have many villages where it is necessary to supply gas, and some cities.
    By the way, Lukashenka's sanctions against Lithuania are a step in the right direction. No one should drive in and stink with impunity.
  • Far B
    Far B 8 September 2020 05: 28 New
    28
    Vladimir Putin said beautifully: "If a fight is inevitable, you must hit first!"
    Oh, how many beautiful words he once uttered! And about not raising the retirement age, and about the immutability of the Constitution for yourself ... He loves, panim, with a beautiful verb to burn the hearts of people! These words would have been attached to these words - he would not have had a price. But - alas.
    And the SP-2 may be completed. Attention! ... The catch is that, according to Putin and his singers, as well as Miller, Novak, and others, it should already be completed. And, even if it is completed, there is no guarantee that it will work in the volumes for which it is designed. Turkish then and the Forces of Siberia, as it were, allow us to doubt this.
    PEP. And if it does work, then what will the Russian people do with this? Not in this life, not under the current government. The same applies to all WSPG projects.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 September 2020 05: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Far In

      +1
      Vladimir Putin said beautifully: "If a fight is inevitable, you must hit first!"
      Oh, how many beautiful words he once uttered!

      "... get wet in the toilet ...!" wassat
      1. Wwk7260
        Wwk7260 8 September 2020 06: 01 New
        0
        "we will stand behind and let them just try!" (c) they tried more than once!
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 September 2020 06: 08 New
        -6
        I didn't even bother to read the article. By the title and the first lines, I determined who the author was, then made sure that he was not mistaken ...
        But I was amused by the photo on the splash screen - the color scheme of the barrel is so similar to "condensed milk"))))
        1. rich
          rich 8 September 2020 12: 46 New
          0
          made the photo on the splash laugh - the color of the barrel is so similar to "condensed milk"))))

          And this is a fashion trend for designers now.
    2. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 8 September 2020 05: 51 New
      -6
      Nemchura got sick. We must propose the nationalization of German assets in Russia.
      For machinations with Navalny and interference in the country's internal affairs.
      Believe me, they are.

      Just write down the total value of German assets ... and show them to the Bundestag. Let them continue to communicate with voters.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 8 September 2020 05: 58 New
        +1
        is experiencing a split of unprecedented depth, and precisely because of the issue of Navalny and Nord Stream-2.
        --- Germans either from SP2 will take joy for themselves -or from the outskirts without SP2 - everything is subject to trade. there is no war yet.
      2. Far B
        Far B 8 September 2020 06: 06 New
        +1
        Just write down the total value of German assets ... and show them to the Bundestag
        The idea, in general, is obvious, but who will do this? Are they really new?
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 8 September 2020 07: 22 New
          +7
          I was undermined to ask (once again): why the hell then, they were allowed to take Navalny out of Russia, when anyone, even a child, knew that there would be a clownery with another "poisoning of the Kremlin's enemy with the use of BOV" and followed by this introduction next sanctions? One must really be the name of Dostoevsky's novel in order not to understand this. Or has the Kremlin just gone crazy?
          1. Far B
            Far B 8 September 2020 07: 26 New
            +5
            Or has the Kremlin just gone crazy?
            And right from the very beginning of the year I have a feeling that this is how it is. Moreover, the aggravation is very severe. If earlier the state was sluggish, then this year the roof is dancing in general.
            1. Adam Khomich
              Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 00 New
              -1
              Quote: Far In
              from the very beginning of the year, the feeling that it is so.

              Or maybe it was all conceived to show the worthlessness of the Western Political Bomber, false accusations and their imaginary monolith. After all, there are no facts, everything is secret. Remembering the farce with the Skripals, the world simply laughs at the liars and falsifiers, together doubting all their statements and accusations against Russia. Well, something like the parable of the wolves and the shepherd.
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 08: 17 New
            +8
            Has the Kremlin gone mad? Was he (mind)? There are already many examples of scammers, but ours considered themselves the most intelligent and cunning! An example with Navalny is like an example with a test tube at the UN! Some cheaters decided to cheat others! Only our gamblers are teenagers who decided to play with adult gamblers! The brains were stupidly not enough to calculate everything! And there are no brains since the 90s! The West will come and help! Here are the loshariks! They still believe in it stupidly! And a test tube with Navalny is good! The clever learn from the mistakes of others, and ours, even from their mistakes, cannot draw conclusions! As it turned out, money does not add to the mind! laughing I do not even feel sorry for our leadership that they put him in such a pose! Serves him right if he hasn’t got enough mind in 30 years!
          3. Antagonist
            Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 54 New
            10
            Quote: Snail N9
            why the hell then, they were allowed to take Navalny out of Russia

            I think the authorities considered that if the bulk was not released from Russia, the scandal would be much worse. Otherwise, there is no point in all this.
          4. Sergey Sfiedu
            Sergey Sfiedu 9 September 2020 03: 44 New
            0
            Not so simple. On what grounds did you decide to refuse Navalny's departure? He is a full-fledged citizen and has the right to be treated wherever his relatives want to. Do you question the conscientiousness of German doctors and personally Merkel? So you don't know anything about Germany. This is not clowning. The poisoning took place and it requires investigation. Hiding your head in the sand and insisting that these are US tricks will only harm the country's reputation. If someone's tricks - you need to prove. Are our authorities not involved in the poisoning? Then what happened? We must investigate, not engage in demagoguery.
      3. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 8 September 2020 07: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        We must propose the nationalization of German assets in Russia.

        Great idea, I support it. More Hell!
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 8 September 2020 12: 13 New
          0
          More hell!
          What is good for the Russian is death to the German.
      4. New
        New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        We must propose the nationalization of German assets in Russia.

        And how many Russians are abroad!
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Believe me, they are.
      5. Antagonist
        Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 54 New
        10
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        We must propose the nationalization of German assets in Russia

        Their response will be harder for our oligarchs
      6. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 9 September 2020 04: 02 New
        +1
        Nationalize German assets! Hooray! And to trade, excuse me, with whom? Trading in hydrocarbons fills our budget by half. Your salary, pension - half as much, currency for medicines, equipment, medicines, patents - no. Plants, including defense plants, will halve their production. We will lose Germany, the last major Western country that treats us with respect, we will lose all of Europe. China has already established itself as an unreliable economic partner, the Turks dumped us. If the Germans have questions about the Initial - they need to investigate. Something happened, it is clear to the fools.
      7. Alekseev
        Alekseev 9 September 2020 15: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        propose the nationalization of German assets in Russia.

        That is unlikely. If the work of one or another German firm here benefits Russia, gives taxes and jobs, why cut the goose that lays the golden eggs?
        As for the problems with the price and volume of gas sales. Then:
        1. Gas pipelines like the Nord Stream are being built not for a year or two, but for many decades. If not tomorrow, then after tomorrow they will finish the construction and ask for gas.
        2. The development of relatively cheap and environmentally friendly NGV transport will make it possible to use surplus gas and free up millions and millions of tons of gasoline and diesel fuel for export, than to cover the drop in revenues from gas sales.
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 08: 07 New
      +5
      Aha! First! Let's play a game of cards! Let's! Second! And those who will defame, we will beat those on the sly red face !? The first was suggested. And the second? Why is there silence about the second? Because the game of cards was offered to play a sharper? And this proposal was not made by the West! Or am I mistaken and the West suggested pulling the pipe? Well, our sharpshooters on the pipes seem to be welded. Then they offered to stop the game. Sharpie and so well cooked! But the cheaters began to be indignant and demand to continue the game! Complete the SP-2! Who needs these pipes? Who is the beneficiary? And who drowned for capitalism? Who stoked the competition? What is the competition for the pipe? Complete monopoly! Russian cheaters were well-bred by Western cheaters! So you don't have to yell-And why are we?
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 8 September 2020 09: 21 New
        +5
        A very correct observation. Moreover, what is most interesting, the "Western cheaters" did not even hide their lans - I remember John McCain, the spokesman for the American interests of big business and finance, quite frankly said that it was necessary to involve Russia in as many expensive projects outside its borders as possible, having more political rather than economic importance so that it wastes all its resources there, instead of investing them in internal development, for a technological breakthrough and restructuring of the economy according to the 4th technological order, for creating a powerful educational and scientific cluster, a modern military-industrial complex, etc. to involve Russia in as many military conflicts as possible for the same purposes. By any means, it is necessary to force Russia to keep its financial resources in the "west", where they will be vulnerable and will require the diversion of the diplomatic efforts of the Russian Foreign Ministry to preserve and cover them, thereby preventing Russian diplomacy from operating effectively in other places. To cover up all this, it is necessary to inflate a bubble of praise for the Kremlin leadership in the Western media, in every possible way emphasizing its (leadership's) genius, success, etc. their actions, even erroneous, and make it impossible for a sober assessment of the situation and an adequate response to events. Thus, Russia will not develop at the pace at which it is capable and will remain a "gas station of the world - a raw material appendage" in the foreseeable future, will constantly degrade, gradually sliding to the level of externally controlled and dependent "banana republics".
      2. New
        New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        Russian cheaters were well-bred by Western cheaters!

        Sometimes it seems that this was the secret goal of all "streams" - to force Russia to build them at its own expense, and then abandon them. After all, most of all streams do not work and are unlikely to pay off when. And the money has been spent and cannot be returned from the bottom of the sea or from the land
    4. sheridans
      sheridans 8 September 2020 17: 16 New
      -3
      Personally, nothing will break off. And from this you are a toad and crushes.
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 9 September 2020 15: 01 New
      -2
      Quote: Far In
      These words would have been attached to these words - he would not have had a price.

      Ah, what an oppositionist, he ignites himself with a verb.
      Putin is not ideal, but let those kind of verb-burning ones give examples of who has done more in the modern history of our country? Have you forgotten what the general secretaries and some presidents did before him? Or maybe they didn't know ... laughing
      Or let him tell you exactly what things to do for Putin? Oh, I forgot, to bring justice, to pay each person personally 100 thousand dollars, to order not to misbehave the officials, to abolish the squandering and hooliganism and debauchery by the decree ... lol
      They forgot the old truth that every society (people at this stage of development) is worthy of its rulers. And also the fact that freedom, education and well-being cannot be given as alms to any Putin or Lenin or Stalin. Although they tried, if not to serve, then to drive them with an "iron broom, fortunately." And now it's not the worst option.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 8 September 2020 05: 45 New
    +5
    I wonder how Berlin will like the prospect of being left without gas? With one Navalny and his own ambitions?
    If we assume the worst, then they can put on our wishes, especially under the sauce "Novichok". Everything depends personally on Merkel, especially since Germany holds the EU presidency. But the main thing is how in this situation she will behave at the upcoming meeting of the leaders of the UN General Assembly (September 21-29). There, they have already included in the agenda (at the request of the Outskirts) the issue of discussing the situation in the temporarily occupied territories of Crimea and Donbass, and Navalny will most likely tighten up. Everything is not simple, but even in the worst case, Russia will not "die", we are under sanctions all our lives.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 8 September 2020 08: 23 New
      +4
      What does Merkel have to do with it ?! Our grandmasters turned out to be fake! They absolutely do not know how to play geopolitical games! Rather, ours considered themselves grandmasters, sharpshooters, thimblers. But it turned out that they were playing giveaway! Here is our leadership really developed beyond the years! They are already of retirement age, and they are as crazy as children or teenagers! But they have everything ahead!
  • Svlad
    Svlad 8 September 2020 05: 47 New
    +5
    I feel sorry for the work of people. Remained for a month of work and here it is.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 8 September 2020 07: 27 New
      +9
      There are 160 km of pipes left, and they have not been able to throw them since spring. And now it's autumn, storms start in the Baltic, so everything is postponed for a year. But I have another question for the jingoistic patriots, who several months ago were strenuously arguing to everyone that Russia would finish building SP2 in a month and easily. Well, now which of you will answer for the market? Conclusion: hooray-patriots balabola.
      1. Adam Khomich
        Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 12 New
        -9
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        160 km of pipes and cannot be thrown since spring.

        How do you know that they "cannot" and that there is no pipe-laying at the moment? Money loves silence, and SP-2 is a lot of money for more than a hundred shareholders, including even the Scottish Pension Fund! I don’t think they’re against the commissioning of the gas pipeline. The world is not black and white as you imagine. Who is the balabol? So chickens are counted in the fall :-)
        1. GRIGORIY76
          GRIGORIY76 8 September 2020 09: 10 New
          +3
          If they did, the box would burst ...
          1. Adam Khomich
            Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 09: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: GRIGORIY76
            If laid down

            Current information:
            SP-2: laid 80 km / 61 km (out of 149), west wind 7-10 m / s, laying resumed after a storm.
            https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=54.57589336254245%2C14.82819332027153&z=7&mid=1_o56gFxwdAzg_B6Lv0eXA_5_JgGvlQ9j
        2. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 8 September 2020 12: 17 New
          +2
          no pipes are being laid at the moment?
          Not in progress.
          1. Adam Khomich
            Adam Khomich 9 September 2020 08: 38 New
            -1
            Quote: Trapp1st
            no pipe laying?

            Didn't you notice this message? "laying resumed after the storm".
      2. New
        New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Conclusion: hooray-patriots balabola.

        That's right, now they're just silent
  • Mishanya 74
    Mishanya 74 8 September 2020 05: 47 New
    -6
    Navalny will be president - he will finish building)
    1. Antagonist
      Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 55 New
      +9
      Quote: Mishanya74
      Navalny will be president

      fool
      He will not be president. You may not even dream.
  • Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 8 September 2020 05: 50 New
    -5
    already wrote here that Germany, represented by Merkel, will try to use the story with Navalny to the maximum, to abandon SP2, minus the skulls. where are your arguments today, adherents of evening dress, masters of changing shoes?
    1. New
      New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Wwk7260
      Germany, represented by Merkel, will try to make the most of the story with Navalny to abandon SP2,

      The project is dead, if only because Trump closed it with his sanctions
    2. sheridans
      sheridans 8 September 2020 17: 20 New
      -2
      And we'll see how Frau Merkel will twist the fouette.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 September 2020 06: 06 New
    10
    Russia is being beaten again, with a backhand, and even vile, without any rules.

    Yes, what are you saying? I am plagued by vague doubts that some have not learned the difference between Fatherland and Your Excellency.
    Russia and Gazprom are completely different concepts. This is a song about Gazprom shareholders:

    And about us is completely different:

    It is necessary to reach such "edges" when the blogger's health began to radically influence the implementation of international contracts.
    Are you, Mr. author, still praising this trait of the "guarantor" to transfer the courtyard (street) showdowns into big politics or are you trying to present it as some kind of wisdom?
    And in the world, besides the "gateway etiquette", there are other ways of conducting international affairs.
    And the point is not in "SP-2", in the construction of which more than a hundred different firms, companies and structures are interested; even, not that instead of this construction, which does not give the ordinary citizen any social guarantees, and the country has arrived in the foreseeable future, a number of internal problems could be solved; and not in Gazprom itself with its highly paid “effective managers”, but in the fact that Russian citizens are allowed to solve Gazprom's problems with the help of political complicity and through personal funds.
    And for us, the majority of the population, all these attempts with the SP-2, the ranting of various politicians and businessmen, the dependence of Navalny's coma and economic sanctions, have no meaning in our concrete life. You still do not understand that solving state problems with the help of citizens' wallets causes disgust and strong protest.
    BUT!!! You keep pouring and pouring these streams of not entirely pure information ... For what? To ransom us in this dirt of big politics? Or maybe you want to raise the rating of a "wonderful" (once) yard boy?
    So, the political rating is akin to the primary gender of the grandfather - if it falls, then it is almost impossible to raise it.
    hi
    1. Asad
      Asad 8 September 2020 06: 15 New
      +4
      Damn, I also wanted to say everything! In vain I smoked my ABC book in my childhood! There is not enough education like this, put everything on the shelves!
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 8 September 2020 07: 32 New
        +5
        I will also note: Yura has presented everything correctly and competently. And I have long believed that all these pipelines do nothing to the common people, only the oligarchs get rich.
        1. sheridans
          sheridans 8 September 2020 17: 22 New
          -2
          If you are so offended, then leave the common people in another formation.
          1. region58
            region58 8 September 2020 23: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: sheridans
            go out of the common people to another formation

            Reminds the famous phrase: "if the people do not have bread, then let them eat cakes."
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 8 September 2020 06: 50 New
      +4
      So JV 2 was aimed at depriving the transit of gas through Ukraine and Poland, depriving them of profits from transit and dependence on agreements with these countries. I think that JV 2 needs to be completed.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 8 September 2020 07: 33 New
        +5
        So the project SP2 was originally not economic, but political?
        1. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 8 September 2020 07: 41 New
          +1
          The project kills three birds with one stone, saves us from dependence on transit, an agreement with an adequate and reliable partner and deprives Ukraine of profit from transit. And if you think well, any economic project can be tied to politics. Your question sounds like a fact from a Svidomo Ukrainian. smile .
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 September 2020 08: 29 New
            +6
            Quote: Pessimist22
            relieves us of the transit dependence

            There are no us, there are interests of a handful of oligarchs who, hiding behind national interests and patriotism of the national property, market their topic.
            Of course, the Nord Stream needs to be completed, but not at any cost. At the moment it needs to be mothballed and gas prices raised. And see how long Europe lasts on LNG.
            But for this you need to get off the oil and gas needle, and raise your economy, and not invest the proceeds from the sale of resources in the securities of the countries of potential adversaries.
            But "our" authorities do not even try to do this. hi
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 September 2020 08: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Pessimist22
            The project is killing three birds with one stone, relieves us of dependence on transit, an agreement with an adequate and reliable partner and deprives Ukraine of profit from transit.

            Who would argue with the fact that in the current situation, completion of the construction of "SP-2" is necessary for Russia to remove its dependence on Ukrainian transit. There are such? BUT!!! We are not the yard boys from Baskovy Lane. We know why and why Russia continued to conclude treaties until the very last moment. Did the billions in fines paid by Russia teach you nothing?
            It is commendable that you have designated one “killed hare”: a transit through Ukraine subject to political and economic blackmail! And who are the remaining two "undershoots"? Or have we decided to make do with a little blood?
            This second "effective hare" has brought so many losses to the country that it just needs to be "taxidermized" and paraded for the edification of others. And the third "German hare" must also move, until this "bald eagle" pecks it to the end ...
            Probably we need to remember that you are not Manka-bond, but Marya Afanasyevna Kolyvanova. Angela Dorothea Merkel - Federal Chancellor of Germany. And the German people that gave you the rights wants to live better and do not want to quarrel with Russia anymore ... belay
        2. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          was the SP2 project originally not economic but political?

          Baltic sprats do not take money for transit on the seabed. This is the economy!
          Even the cod spawned in time and gave the go-ahead. I think for Europe gas, sprat and cod are more important than the worthless Soros-Clinton BloHer, the "importance" of which they themselves learned two weeks ago. This is politics!
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 8 September 2020 08: 27 New
            -1
            They have a little bit differently and the term "human rights" is not an empty phrase for them.
            1. Adam Khomich
              Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              the term "human rights" is not an empty phrase for them.

              Yes, everyone knows that there are human rights for the United States and the collective West. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, WTC-911 are the clearest examples of this: How many millions of human rights have been destroyed there?
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 8 September 2020 08: 36 New
                +3
                It is true that they remember this term when they have a benefit, and now they are stirring up a scandal, since they will not lose anything from this scandal.
                1. Adam Khomich
                  Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  they will not lose anything from this scandal.

                  Who are they? A Scottish Pension Fund fully invested in JV-2 or more than a hundred other Western shareholders? Concretize pzhsta :-)
      2. Antagonist
        Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 56 New
        +9
        Quote: Pessimist22
        So JV 2 was aimed at depriving the transit of gas through Ukraine and Poland

        SP-2 will not deprive Ukraine and Poland of gas transit. Gas was supplied through their territory and will continue to be supplied during the launch of SP-2, only in smaller volumes.
    3. New
      New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      So, the political rating is akin to the primary gender of the grandfather - if it falls, then it is almost impossible to raise it.

      Well said, only he does not care about the rating and the people of the country. He lives in a different world
  • parusnik
    parusnik 8 September 2020 06: 09 New
    +5
    Yes, we will have to do a lot: develop production, improve infrastructure, build our own tanker fleet.
    ..... And how long will it take for all this, a day or two? ... and at whose expense this "banquet" will be arranged .... Time is money, as their capitalists say ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 8 September 2020 07: 34 New
      +3
      Well, let's build a tanker fleet, and they don't want to buy from us, then what?
      1. Adam Khomich
        Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 48 New
        -2
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        what then?

        Nothing. It's just that everything will go up very much here, like in Ukraine, at times. I think the people of theirs will not like it, they will wear multi-colored vests and start rebelling. The capitalists know how to count money and will go through the bazaar to look for where it is cheaper. And there is not enough cheap "Slovak" gas for everyone, everything was bought by the outskirts :-)
      2. New
        New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 46 New
        +7
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Well, let's build a tanker fleet, and they don't want to buy from us, then what?

        Then we will hand over the tankers for scrap laughing like streams!
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 8 September 2020 19: 49 New
          +3
          Then we will hand over the tankers to the scrap metal laughing as well as flows!
          good ..No, we are modernizing them, like the T-72 ... smile
  • Alexy
    Alexy 8 September 2020 06: 23 New
    +1
    I fully agree with the author. I have already expressed here with similar thoughts. International law does not work, long-term contracts are worthless - Stockholm will not let you lie. LNG is more flexible in this regard. And with pipelines we tie ourselves to the countries, and it is not known how tomorrow they will behave - the example of Ukraine, Poland and now Turkey is already there. And sp2 may not finish building better.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 September 2020 07: 37 New
      +3
      San for short distances is noticeably more expensive than pipeline.
  • Asad
    Asad 8 September 2020 06: 32 New
    +3
    The time is dragging on when Frau Merkel will leave the post of chancellor, and the successor has not promised anything to investors.
    1. New
      New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: ASAD
      the successor promised nothing to investors.

      Its receiver (any of them) is set against the flow. The investor insured her risks, in the end they wanted to cut the dough for an easy one - they risked, they knew what they were doing. On stream 1, they receive a margin not for the actually pumped gas, but for the design gas. Download at least 2 milliards, at least 5, and they get it for 55.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 8 September 2020 06: 39 New
    +1
    There is a way out of any situation! Any action is better than inaction.
    We must think we must work for the sake of our country ...
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 8 September 2020 06: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      We must think we must work for the sake of our country ...

      That's it! We have half of Russia without gas, it is high time to start gasification of the entire country.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 September 2020 07: 09 New
        +2
        To show concern for their citizens, so Schaub for real, and not one-time PR actions ..... no, they don't know how, they don't want to.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 8 September 2020 08: 31 New
        +2
        This is completely different. In terms of gasification of the country, it will not bring profit, and capitalization will only begin to collapse. It's more of a social project.

        Well, that is, we pull the pipe for 500-600 km and from it we supply a total of 12-14 thousand people. At domestic prices. The project is unprofitable, because these 12-14 thousand people, at domestic prices, will never buy so much gas. And you also need to remember about running costs (maintenance, infrastructure, pumping). On such a volume, the entire project will only bring losses every year.

        All projects, where the system will work at least not negatively, have already been implemented in general.
    2. cniza
      cniza 8 September 2020 09: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      There is a way out of any situation! Any action is better than inaction.
      We must think we must work for the sake of our country ...


      And if they do not work, then the country will not exist, so ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 September 2020 10: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        And if they do not work, then the country will not exist, so ...

        There is also WE ALL !!! On the current overhead light did not converge like a wedge .... it is necessary to look well around, to look for in the bins, along the bottom of the barrel! The main thing is not to sit on the soft and not wait, sho from above the manna from heaven will fall !!! No, it won't, it won't fall, it must be different, according to the mind!
        1. cniza
          cniza 8 September 2020 12: 42 New
          +1
          God forbid us to sit on the stove and wait, everyone for himself and it all grows by everyone, and will not let die ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 September 2020 07: 02 New
    +1
    I have always been amazed at the art of contemporary artists who massively decorate the walls of houses. But it turned out that early on I was amazed at all this. This is not creativity. The wall is carefully processed during the day. At night, the projector is aimed at the wall with a color picture. On a very comfortable lift, it remains to decorate the picture. The work is difficult, but not creative. This is similar to how politics is structured. We see what we see and what remains behind the scenes, we have no idea. Of course, it was possible not to please Ukraine with our gifts before, but we will never know what was behind this.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 8 September 2020 07: 12 New
      +3
      The process itself may be interesting to someone .... but where is the result?
    2. Kushka
      Kushka 8 September 2020 14: 36 New
      +1
      Bravo, to the point. My example: TV show
      about the kitchen - super design, a sea of ​​super equipment.
      Today is a course for roasting a goose. Tv blonde gracefully
      twirls a goose on the desktop, talks about spices,
      knits with a bow the legs (goose) - and now the most important thing is
      put the goose in the oven for 20 minutes, and open
      massive oven door (BOSH), but for now I will ........
      Shown from behind the "oven" - a man with a spray can
      brown paint - pshshshshshshsh, Leading - here's our
      goose is ready, what a delicious crust !!!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 September 2020 07: 24 New
    +3
    I was somehow called a fossil. A thought flashed through my mind, but the Navalny effect could appear in the USSR. I think not. Even if the Internet existed. In the first place, he would have no one to expose. Well, there would be an article about a summer residence on the Black Sea coast, or about a bribe of 1000 rubles. In the worst case, he would have been jailed. And he would have been healthier than before. They could have been sent to the west. But the health certificate was left at home.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 September 2020 07: 35 New
      +3
      If an article about a bribe of 1000 rubles appeared in the USSR, then the one who took the bribe would be imprisoned.
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 8 September 2020 08: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      he would have had no one to expose the first.

      Judging by the nickname and avatar, you found the USSR. Apparently, the memory fails.

      They did not hear anything about Gdlyan-Ivanov or BN Yeltsin of the period of the "struggle against privileges", it turns out.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 8 September 2020 09: 44 New
        +1
        Lord cherries. I heard about Gdlyan-Ivanov and about Sokolov. But I wrote about the Navalny effect.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 8 September 2020 09: 54 New
          0
          Quote: nikvic46
          I heard about Gdlyan-Ivanov and Sokolov

          Quote: nikvic46
          there would be an article about a summer residence on the Black Sea coast, or a bribe of 1000 rubles

          As you say.
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 8 September 2020 10: 46 New
            +1
            Cherry Nine. As I understand it, there is no difference in the corruption of the USSR and the Russian Federation. This, judging by your views. But there was no reason for foreign speculation. That is the question.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 8 September 2020 12: 47 New
              0
              Well, why, the difference is big. But the position that N in the USSR would have nothing to write about is false. During the restructuring of such pravodubov it was at least a rowing shovel. Before perestroika, we also met, in the genre "sometimes someone here and there does not want to live honestly".
    3. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 27 New
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      could appear the effect of Navalny in the USSR.

      In Soviet times, all the sanctions were due to the "Jewish question" and the pedophile researcher Bukovsky :-)
    4. Engineer
      Engineer 8 September 2020 14: 06 New
      +1
      If the Internet existed in the Soviet Union, then all social networks would discuss corruption at the top and Navalny too.
      You are making a common mistake - I have not heard anything like that (option - heard, but quite sensitive), so it was not.
      The Soviet Union suffered from social ulcers like any other entity
      A certain mister Usmanov went to warm bunks in 1980 not for taking nails out of the factory
      In 1956, Ivanov's novel (the author of the original Rus' novel) "Yellow Metal" was withdrawn from sale. In it, Valentin Dmitrievich clearly explained nothing less than a real Soviet mafia, and even with a charming national flavor.
      Another thing is that in the USSR there could be neither a universal Internet nor Mr. Navalny.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 8 September 2020 07: 40 New
    +1
    Maybe I'm wrong, but SP-2 is an international project, not a Russian one. The money for its construction was given by many, including the Americans, who are not few in the "national treasure" called Gazprom (although I do not know which nation this property is). We are only told about Russia's losses from FUTURE SALES, not about how much we have invested in the pipe. Sp-2 will or will not have gas, they will buy gas from allegedly Russian gas-trading companies: less today, more tomorrow, the day after tomorrow - less again .... The world is ruled not by the planned economy, but by the market.
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 22 New
      +1
      There are no less investment in the LNG project. As you might guess, they don't need pipe gas.
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 8 September 2020 07: 50 New
    10
    Many doubt that Navalny was poisoned by the authorities. Then I will ask, and who killed Politkovskaya, who killed General Rokhlin? Another question - why is someone killing politicians who are objectionable to the authorities? Why was Platoshkin closed? Why Russia was accused of doping, and our officials denied, and that, as a result, I had to confess. A passenger Boeing over Sakhalin was shot down and also denied, and then had to confess again. To deny, to make surprised eyes, to give up everything, pretending to be a harmless sheep - this is a typical foreign policy of the Kremlin.
    Is there something wrong with our policy, since the whole world believes that we shoot down Boeings with passengers, we dope with the whole country, we poison the skippers, or are there countries that are for us in this matter?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 September 2020 08: 27 New
      0
      Well Newbie is the safest of all deadly poisons in human history wassat .

      Or, traditionally, they sawed up money, took the composition of the Medici era (conditionally) and use it, hoping that the Medici methods will also be treated lol .
    2. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 8 September 2020 08: 38 New
      -2
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      Many doubt

      Search the Net - Hillary Clinton's Death List: 81 Corpse Stories Framing Her Way Up.
      1. New
        New Year day 8 September 2020 10: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Adam Khomich
        Hillary Clinton's death list: stories of 81 corpses framing her way up.

        Well, then you shouldn't be surprised and shout "us for what"! 2 pair of boots. Only the strongest wins in a fight,
        the cunning and the most cunning
    3. Snail N9
      Snail N9 8 September 2020 09: 50 New
      +3
      Something you have bypassed Mrs. Starovoitova and Vlad Listyev, well, to the heap of Igor Talkov and the main fighter Nemtsov ... - that's where the true "victims of the bloody gebny" ...
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 8 September 2020 11: 05 New
      +3
      Khishtogi was slammed by Saudi Arabia, the United States killed Soleimani without a state of war with Iran, so it is killing not only in Russia.
    5. sheridans
      sheridans 8 September 2020 17: 28 New
      -2
      How hard it is for you to live here. And there are no more places.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 September 2020 07: 52 New
    -3
    Here Navalny will give them gas and fake it.
  • Not_invented
    Not_invented 8 September 2020 08: 20 New
    +4
    Every time when problems arise with gas pipelines, a crowd appears from somewhere "and we will turn off the gas for you !! 111", and each time it all ends with Gazprom bowing to Ukraine and signing a new contract there, European courts oblige Gazprom to pay billions in fines , and gas disconnectors disappear before a new scandal.
    Unfortunately, Gazprom is not a monopoly. Yes, gas from Russia is cheap, but there are many ways to make it more expensive. Here everything is not limited to "buy where it is cheaper". Therefore, sometimes it is better to buy where it is easier, and not where it is cheaper. And there is a chance that they will eventually do so. Is it fair? Not. But this is reality.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 8 September 2020 08: 26 New
    +3
    More news from an alternative reality.
    1. The meaning of the joint venture for Merkel is to get direct transit and get Ukrainian affairs out of her head. It's a good thing, but not the most important thing. Moreover, Ukrainian affairs have since settled down, and the overall situation with hydrocarbons has become much easier for the buyer.
    2. Criticism of the joint venture is quite comfortable for Merkel. The regional authorities criticize it for lack of real-political and doctrinaire, parliamentarians, on the contrary, for an immoral real-political. Both are quite normal and allows Merkel to resolve the issue at her own discretion.
    3. It's hard to believe that Merkel doesn't give a damn about the murders in Russia. A year ago, not in Tomsk, but in Berlin, the alleged Chepigs shot another bearded man - zero attention from Merkel. However, this case allows her to once again weigh the pros and cons of the joint venture, which have long changed since 2015, when it was all brewed, and if it needs to be resolved without losing face. It is one thing to cancel the joint venture due to pressure from the Americans, and another thing - because of moral protest (while continuing to pump gas through SP1 and Ukraine).
    4. It is much easier for the Americans to stop Russian LNG projects, if they wish, than gas pipelines.
    5. Most likely, no serious measures will be taken because of Navalny. The maximum on the sly will be announced by decisions already made for a combination of reasons, like the same SP2. Of course, there are chances, but extremely unlikely.
    1. shonsu
      shonsu 9 September 2020 01: 42 New
      0
      For Berlin, the SP-2 project is very important. In fact, with him, Germany becomes a gas hub for all of Europe, and this is not a hoot, which is why the United States and Germany are sharing this pie so fiercely.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 9 September 2020 07: 59 New
        0
        Quote: shonsu
        a gas hub for all of Europe, and this is not khukhry-mukhry

        This is a deliberately nonsensical argument, similar to the famous story about the Qatari gas pipeline in Syria. The European system of gas hubs has long been formed, if the Germans could digest additional volumes, they would receive them through the old gas pipelines. Old pipelines are not loaded.

        Another thing is that neither the Russian nor the German side is comfortable admitting that the SP2 project is entirely money theft and is thus beneficial to thieves. Yes, among the Germans there are also those who like to steal money from the notorious Russian pensioners, and this is not only the holder of a German residence permit, Mr. Yakunin. But Mrs. Merkel somehow doesn't get her hands on all her thieves.
    2. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 28 New
      0
      There is a clear desire of Germany to drop Navalny's case at the OPCW. In general, it is logical - he is not a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany, the incident took place in distant Siberia
  • BAI
    BAI 8 September 2020 08: 47 New
    +4
    And here is the time for Moscow to show its character!

    How can you show what is not?
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 September 2020 09: 11 New
    0
    build your own tanker fleet.
    ... The author, on the eve of writing the article, probably watched the Soviet film about the Zhurbin family ... laughing
    1. Nestorych
      Nestorych 8 September 2020 09: 44 New
      +1
      And where are the Tsimes of Vovka's accomplices ?! laughing
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 8 September 2020 10: 22 New
        0
        I didn't understand what you are and who Vovka and his accomplices are ... But the film tells about a working dynasty that built ships ... Now there are no such dynasties, and such factories ...
        1. Nestorych
          Nestorych 9 September 2020 10: 38 New
          0
          So it is in the film, but since the construction of gas pipelines, Vovan has his own cimes with accomplices.)
  • cniza
    cniza 8 September 2020 09: 35 New
    +1
    I wonder how Berlin will like the prospect of being left without gas? With one Navalny and his own ambitions?


    Here you need to understand that there is tremendous pressure on Merkel and she is trying to please the United States and not to lose JV 2, we are experiencing funny times.
  • Nestorych
    Nestorych 8 September 2020 09: 43 New
    +2
    Already minus 50% for the first half of the year in the gas revenues of the Russian Federation, now there is an excess of energy resources, there is where to get gas.)
  • iouris
    iouris 8 September 2020 12: 18 New
    0
    One gets the impression that the SP-2 was built only for someone to poison Navalny. Also, Gazprom's shareholders receive dividends and bonuses. Well, yes, now they are worried: "You rub a sandwich in the morning, you think:" And how are the people? "
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 8 September 2020 12: 23 New
    +1
    Maybe it's time to stop squandering the wealth of our grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Well, you can't sell EVERYTHING! If the owners of our factories of steamship newspapers even sell and waste everything, then why should we, ordinary people, follow their lead. If they don't want to finish building the SP-2, that's great, we will have more gas left. And they let them get expensive American tourniquet. What kind of paranoia is it - to finish building this gas pipeline by all means?
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 8 September 2020 14: 34 New
    0
    Are pipes being laid now or is everything frozen?
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 8 September 2020 15: 56 New
    +1
    The author wants to make war? bully
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 30 New
      0
      Mainly the author wants to receive royalties
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  • shonsu
    shonsu 9 September 2020 01: 37 New
    0
    Silly and shortsighted. Where will our LNG go? Do not know? On the exchanges! Where it will be resold again for American dollars! And it will be like oil, for one LNG tanker ten resold on paper. As a result, we will have a margin slightly higher than the cost price, and the profits will again be received by American and British speculative companies! This is what they are trying to achieve !!! Moreover, the whole process will also depend on the political will of the United States, sanctions will be introduced and no one will be able to buy our gas, as is happening now with the oil of Venezuela and Iran. This is complete control !!!
    The author is either paid or simply stupid if he does not understand this. The same applies to the sale of our gas to Europe on our border with Ukraine.
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 14 September 2020 12: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: shonsu
      As a result, we will have a margin,

      we, as residents of the Russian Federation, have practically nothing from the sale of LNG request
      1. chingachguc
        chingachguc 14 September 2020 21: 42 New
        0
        we, as owners of oil and gas wealth, are deeply parallel to what is happening there in foreign markets. The price rate, and all that ... Our gasoline and gas are steadily growing in price)) for thirty years
  • chingachguc
    chingachguc 14 September 2020 21: 39 New
    0
    Welcome to the world of capitalism)) it is so accepted here: surreptitiously and in the back of the head. It is not the strongest who wins, but the meanest. In this matter, the Americans are, of course, above all. And the Poles.

    But I just can't understand the Germans. Complete lack of will in defending basic interests. Inferiority complex? Phantom pains?