Decommunization in the Ukrainian army: emblems with a crescent moon and stylization of the Star of David appear

In Ukraine, it is proposed to extend the practice of receiving chevrons and other insignia to all units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including individual battalions and brigades.

As an example, it is proposed to use the symbols that are already used by a number of battalions and brigades of the National Guard and the armed forces of Ukraine, including the 24th Omba named after King Daniel (in the figure below - the option under the number 3). The emblem of this brigade depicts a crowned lion walking on two legs.

The 30th separate mechanized brigade named after Prince Konstantin Ostrog received special emblems for berets for military personnel. The emblem depicts crossed guns under the imperial crown. In front is a shield, on which you can see an image with a 6-pointed star - a variation of the Star of David, a crescent and a symbol that is similar to the designation of the male sex. The figure below shows the option number 5.

The ideologists of the use of new symbols in the power units of Ukraine say that such symbols "express historical continuity in the country's army. "The only continuity, from which Ukraine is trying with all its might to get away, is the Soviet one. The Ukrainian Armed Forces notes that decommunization and de-Sovietization in the army are in full swing, and one of the proofs is the emergence of new symbols, which they cannot understand and the servicemen themselves.

For mountain infantry soldiers, as stated, it can be used as a symbol of edelweiss. At the same time, it was added that "such a symbol is characteristic of the mountain units of the European armies - Italy, France, Germany." This option was named suitable, since Ukraine is striving for NATO.

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[Mavrikiy]

emblems with a crescent moon and stylization of the Star of David appear

everything is fine. They bring in line with the ideology of tolerance, crosses, edelweiss, only the swastika is not yet officially enough, and so ... Its mute, so the world is on a string

[APASUS]

Quote: Mavrikiy

everything is fine. Align with the ideology of tolerance,

What does tolerance have to do with it? Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

[Ruswolf]

Quote: APASUS

What does tolerance have to do with it? Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

Well, the Star of David is probably understandable (at least with a stretch) as it is possible .... But what does the crescent have to do with it?

[Pereira]

They want to please the Turks and flatter the Crimean Tatars.

[Dym71]

Quote: Ruswolf

But what does the crescent have to do with it?

Or maybe it's a tsata - a Christian crescent?

[Pereira]

No, this is not a crescent moon. This is a stylized image of a scale.

[memory]

Quote: Ruswolf

Quote: APASUS

What does tolerance have to do with it? Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

Well, the Star of David is probably understandable (at least with a stretch) as it is possible .... But what does the crescent have to do with it?

I am also very surprised .. Maybe the emigrants of Asia, Africa from the EU and the USA have gathered to settle in for money?

[Orange bigg]

The Star of David along with the Crescent Moon on the emblem? What are they smoking? Have chosen at least one thing. And so they create a funny army with the same symbols divorced from the realities and history of Ukraine, borrowed according to the principle of the world along a string and mixed into one thing in common.

[APASUS]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The Star of David along with the Crescent Moon on the emblem?

They have no history, no military traditions and studied poorly at school. That is why they create a history of victories and battles from scratch ...........

[cost]

This is the Zaporozhye symbol - the triumph of Orthodoxy over other religions. Another thing has to do with the Cossacks, religion, and even more so the crown. Madhouse chamomile

[Orange bigg]

They most likely spied on the chamomile from the Papuans and decided to appropriate it for themselves. It looks beautiful and not far from them in their development left. You can say brothers.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: APASUS
What does tolerance have to do with it? Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

Tolerance is not only a good attitude, but also get into friends Israel, Turkey "We and you are of the same blood" (Mowgli)

[APASUS]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Tolerance is not only a good attitude, but also get into friends Israel, Turkey "We and you are of the same blood" (Mowgli)

.............. Christians, Jews, Muslims, and spice everything from above with the feudal status of the owner of the coat of arms (crown). I also had to add animals, a dragon and red lanterns ..........................

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: APASUS

I also had to add animals, a dragon and red lanterns.

Not yet evening. (Vysotsky)

[Potomac]

Because this is the family coat of arms of Prince Konstin of Ostrog. The name of which is the 30th mechanized brigade.

[APASUS]

Quote: Potomac

Because this is the family coat of arms of Prince Konstin of Ostrog. The name of which is the 30th mechanized brigade.

Well, what does Ukraine have to do with it then?

Prince Konstantin Ivanovich Ostrozhsky is the head of the armed forces of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. After the creation of the Commonwealth, he was one of the two top military leaders, along with the great hetman crown.

[Egoza]

Quote: APASUS

Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

Kolomoisky ordered.

[eklmn]

For lazy people who don't know about Google:
“This symbol was used simply as a decorative motif in medieval Christian churches for many centuries before its first known use in the Jewish synagogue. It was first used by the Arabs as a religious symbol during the medieval period, known as the Seal of Solomon, depicted as a hexagram or pentagram, and which was later adopted by Jewish Kabbalists. "

[tandem]

the classic Ukrainian nationalist hates Jews with all his heart. And with the Turks and Tatars, they constantly cut themselves. There the crescent is defeated

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: APASUS

Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

True Ukrainians, Zelensky, Valtsman and Kolomoisha are pleased to do ...

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: APASUS

Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

Despite the fact that Ukraine is the heiress of the Khazar Kaganate, they also had a tamga in the form of a trident.

[antivirus]

I have already suggested - backing crayfish, as a symbol of a strong rear and correct retreat

[Woodman]

it is noted that decommunization and de-Sovietization in the army are in full swing

I. diootism wins ...

[Trapp1st]

The emblem depicts crossed guns under the imperial crown. In front is a shield, on which you can see an image with a 6-pointed star - a variation of the Star of David, a crescent and a symbol that is similar to the designation of the male sex.

What is this, some kind of banter? What are they using there?

[Pereira]

Buriakivka infused for the fortress on dung. I have no other options.

[BAI]

you can see an image with a 6-pointed star - a variation of the Star of David, a crescent moon and a symbol that is similar to the designation of the male sex.

And what is the historical continuity and with whom?

[Wwk7260]

and, what is the succession of the current radish-colored mutant, with the Red Star in the RF Armed Forces

[askort154]

Well, the "Star of David" is understandable - the last two presidents were born under it!
But the "mountain infantry" in the steppes of Ukraine, with the "symbol of Edelweiss" - is complete pornography.

[Trapp1st]

But the "mountain infantry" in the steppes of Ukraine

Why are the Carpathians not mountains for you? Why is the Carpathian edelweiss not an edelweiss?

Crimean, of course, is more beautiful, but they will never see it again.

[Lord of the Sith]

The 1st Mountain Infantry Division (German 1.Gebirgs-Division) is a division of the armed forces of the Third Reich, staffed by the indigenous people of the mountainous regions of southern Germany, Bavaria and Austria. Edelweiss flower, depicted on the emblem of the division, became its common name

[Trapp1st]

Edelweiss flower depicted in the emblem

Was also in Italy, Austria-Hungary. Now he is more the embodiment of mountaineering. Although these are definitely in the first place probably thought about their former owners.

[blackice]

There are no former.
Although, if you think about it, the old former owners are led by a new owner from across the ocean and it turns out that they are both vassals of the same owner, just the old ones are a little closer to the owner.
So they licked the boot of the one who sits higher.

[askort154]

Trapp1st- And the Carpathians are not mountains for you?

Carpathian Mountains - 5-7 "hills", just over 2 thousand meters. And they will soon go to Hungary, Romania and Poland. And the symbol "Edelweiss" is a notion of Bandera-Natsiks in memory of Hitler's "Edelweiss", which got kicked in the ass in the Caucasus.

[Pessimist22]

And where did the imperial crown come from?

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Pessimist22

And where did the imperial crown come from?

Stole!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Pessimist22

And where did the imperial crown come from?

"My eastern TYROLINS!" - said the Emperor of A-Hungary Franz Joseph about the Galicians.

The king was Daniel Galitsky.

They are all history now. characters pull on themselves, proving their Westernness with all their might

[saygon66]

- The crown is princely! Here everything is according to the rules of heraldry ...

[Wwk7260]

How do you like the creeping de-communization of the RF Armed Forces? desecration of the Red Star ?! the seizure of the Red Combat Banners of units and formations that traveled from Moscow and Stalingrad to Berlin, Prague, Konigsberg and Mudantsyang! can anyone explain that this is the correct de-communization, not like the Ukrainians? maybe the mausoleum at the parade is shyly draped in Kiev, and not in Moscow?

[Pereira]

You do not understand. This is different (Tse).

[Wwk7260]

judging by the abundance of minuses in VO, many people understand the varieties of decommunization, sometimes it is European (bad), but there is correct and strong decommunization from the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Wwk7260

judging by the abundance of minuses in VO, many people understand the varieties of decommunization, sometimes it is European (bad), but there is correct and strong decommunization from the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense.

What is dissatisfied with, it's like the Communists were banned in Ukraine, and not in the Russian Federation ...

[Wwk7260]

speech in the article and in my commentary on decommunization in the armed forces, and not in the country as a whole.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Wwk7260

desecration of the Red Star ?! withdrawal of Red Combat Banners from units and formations

Give links to specific cases.
And no, I have no doubts about the Mausoleum.

[Wwk7260]

in your opinion, a geometric misunderstanding similar to a curly cut from a radish root crop on the sides of armored vehicles and vehicles of the RF Armed Forces is not an outrage? look at the Syrian convoys, at the Victory Parade. for new chevrons for packing army rations, but everywhere they mold this ugliness. in 15-18 years, approximately, the Ministry of Defense conducted a campaign to replace regimental banners, this was widely covered in the media, I will not give a link from the phone, it is not difficult to find if you want to find it, but the fact is, the Red Banners not so long ago disappeared in front of the boxes of ceremonial calculations. looks like forever

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Wwk7260

in your opinion, a geometric misunderstanding similar to a curly cut from a radish root crop on the sides of armored vehicles and vehicles of the RF Armed Forces is not an outrage? look at the Syrian convoys, at the Victory Parade. for new chevrons for packing army rations, but everywhere they mold this ugliness. in 15-18 years, approximately, the Ministry of Defense conducted a campaign to replace regimental banners, this was widely covered in the media, I will not give a link from the phone, it is not difficult to find if you want to find it, but the fact is, the Red Banners not so long ago disappeared in front of the boxes of ceremonial calculations. looks like forever

I read about the banners. Replacement of Soviet symbols with Russian ones.
What is the abuse here? Because you personally don't like it?
No, I don't consider it a desecration, because there is continuity.
Nobody thinks to change the address "comrade". The Victory Banner in the Parade is carried first. Soviet marches and songs are playing.
Anthem of Russia - music by Alexandrov.
If they decommunize, then why don't they refuse all this?

I will assume that you will answer something like: "Because decommunization is creeping, and someday (someday) it will come to that."
Only now that a dozen years have been going on, going on, inexorably approaching, but still it will not come. Just like the decay of the West.

[Wwk7260]

The symbols of the RF Armed Forces are the Red Banner approved in 2000 by President V.V.
what symbolism it is being changed to is not clear, these new banners of cock rasskras in what law, charter are they spelled out? Could you tell? The Victory Banner has long been worn for the Tricolor. These are all voluntaristic and illegal decisions of the Ministry of Defense. And yes, I really do not like the chevrons that look like beer labels, and in general why the symbols are so easily changed at the whim of one person? Why is the rank of General so disavowed that it is assigned to a harem in skirts on Frunzenskaya?

[Fitter65]

Quote: Wwk7260

The symbols of the RF Armed Forces are the Red Banner approved in 2000 by President V.V.

Like a symbol of the RF Armed Forces

Well, it is close to the Red Banner hoisted over the Reichstag only in color. The battle banners of military units generally have nothing to the Red Banner

[saygon66]

- These banners are made in the style of the banners of the Russian Imperial Army:

- Banners of the Life Guards Preobrazhensky Regiment (1687-1818)
- With military heraldry, everything is very difficult - they still cannot decide: The traditions of which times are we going to comply ...

[blackice]

Nobody thinks to change the address "comrade".

Yes Yes.
At first, the "himself" talked about Stalin (he did not understand what he was doing), then the USSR only produced galoshes and nothing else, etc.
Personally, I am sure that the address "Your Honor" will soon return to the army speech.
Why so sure?
Because, soon "slaves" in officer's shoulder straps will not want to defend "Their Vilicia" from the Lake, due to resentment for their status and the ruling elite will have to bring them closer to themselves, not to "Vilicia", but to "nobility" for sure.

[Magic archer]

It is high time to reintroduce the Order of Judas. And there is someone to reward.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Magic Archer

It is high time to reintroduce the Order of Judas. And there is someone to reward.

Well, if only from the people to reward, although as our president says, the population of Russia, and the population is not the people, it cannot decide who and how to reward. Do you feel the difference - the population and the people?

[Lord of the Sith]

Let them accept the dead head, it will be immediately visible, xy from xy)))

[voyaka uh]

And in America there has long been such chaos :
Sheriff Star: Sergeant Jackson, Sheriff.

[Pereira]

I have not heard of American Jewish pogroms. There it is just a star.
And in Ukraine - the recognition of the new Khazar yoke. Winners enter their symbols.

[voyaka uh]

Let's remember where the two-headed eagle came from?
Do you not think that Russia is under the terrible yoke of the Hittites or the Asyrians?

[Pereira]

No, I don't. The double-headed eagle is a symbol of the continuity of the ruling dynasty. Only our eagle without pussy.
But I don’t remember the Ukrainian royal dynasty, which is related to the Khazar kagans.

[BAI]

In 326, the emperor of the Roman Empire Constantine the Great makes the double-headed eagle his symbol. In 330, he transferred the capital of the empire to Constantinople, and from that time on, the two-headed eagle was the state emblem. The empire splits into western and eastern, and the double-headed eagle becomes the coat of arms of Byzantium.

From Byzantium, he passes to Russia. It is unlikely that the Romans conducted archaeological excavations in 326. Most likely a coincidence. When China and Western Europe were unaware of each other's existence, both there and there were very similar dragons.

[saygon66]

- It does not pass, but goes as a dowry to the girl Paleologue Sophia - the second wife of Tsar Ivan III, Vasilyevich. The coat of arms of the Palaeologus dynasty is the same eagle with two heads!

[Nikanet]

The Russian-Horde double-headed eagle reigned on almost all the main medieval coats of arms of Europe.

[Nikanet]

In the Muslim world, the symbol of the two-headed eagle is found no less often than in the Byzantine one. The earliest images of him are found on Spanish fabrics of Arabic production, which date back to the XNUMXth century.
But its widespread distribution is associated with the appearance of the Turks in the Middle East and Asia Minor. We meet the two-headed eagle on the dirhams of Imad ad-din Zengi II, an atabek of Turkic-Oguz origin, who ruled in Northern Iraq (1170-1196).

[saygon66]

- But something happened, and the European eagles lost their heads ...

- Black Prussian, red Brandenburg, white Polish, as well as Austrian, Romanian ...
- Albania alone remained ...

[Wwk7260]

Israel "privatized" the six-pointed star after it appeared in the United States.

[voyaka uh]

It is called "David's shield". It is written that King David of Judah (10th century BC) had a military shield of this shape.

[Fitter65]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is called "David's shield". It is written that King David of Judah (10th century BC) had a military shield of this shape.

Well, if you consider that the Ukroshumers showed King David (10th century BC) how this shield should look, and even more so how to use it ... Ksate, do not forget that Ukrainian kobzars told the Bible to the first Semites, back in the days of the kings of Urartu, even when Gilgamesh was a baby, but given that the ancient Semites could not remember everything exactly, the Ukrofinnikians in the city of Byblos came up with one of the versions of the paper on which they wrote Babliya ... Do you disagree with the proposed interpretation of history? You do not like Ukraine! Go to the site of the peacemaker,

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Fitter65

Do you disagree with the proposed interpretation of the story?

No I do not agree.
There is the Tanakh (Bible, Old Testament), both in writing and orally, and is taken as a basis by all major religions. The Sumerian version relies on some kind of tablets and even on insignificant details, which are taken seriously by those who want to prove the opposite. When this happens and the peoples abandon their religion and your version is accepted, then it will be possible to discuss this topic.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

When this happens and the peoples abandon their religion and your version is accepted, then it will be possible to discuss this topic.

So you don't love Ukraine ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Fitter65

So you don’t love Ukraine ..

Why should I love Ukraine?
There is also Venezuela and Syria, and Libya, and Georgia, and there is a lot.
My love is not enough for everyone, I, unlike others, do not consider myself to be "loving".
And I have someone to really love.

[iouris]

These are not just emblems - they are symbols. And the symbols work at the subconscious level and indicate the true goals that are set for the bearers of the emblems. The APU is the Waffen SS, the national formation of a foreign army.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: iouris

These are not just emblems - they are symbols.

Well, that's warmer.
1 This is the symbol of the State of Israel

2 And what you drive it just a hexagon and he meant completely OTHER
The original meaning of this sign in Russia, during pagan times, was associated with the god of thunder Perun: his sanctuary was in terms of a six-rayed rosette. Ethnographers called this rosette "thunder sign". It was depicted on the upper parts of houses under the roof as protection from thunder.
It should be noted that the "thunder sign" in its appearance still differs from the "Star of David", in the design of which two triangles superimposed on each other are clearly visible. Only six obligatory rays remain in common.

[tihonmarine]

For mountain infantry soldiers, as stated, it can be used as a symbol of edelweiss.

All when that passed, And edelweiss, and the Star of David and the crescent, but it was all not Ukrainian, and even more so Little Russian. What would the child not amuse himself ...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: APASUS

What does tolerance have to do with it? Here is the Star of David, it's not clear just why they are

Tolerance is not only a good attitude, but also get into friends Israel, Turkey "We and you are of the same blood" (Mowgli)

[senima56]

Our former "brothers" will at least wear a swastika, if only not a star!

[igorra]

Why is there no emblem of a NATO member in the company of Ukrainians? Or will it be right in the mouth?

[Xenofont]

I'm waiting for feathers in the ass of different colors as insignia.

[Fitter65]

The emblem depicts crossed guns under imperial crown.

Ukrainian Iperia is where the Augean stables of world psychiatry are located. And here we are laughing at the statement of the Minister of Defense of Germany ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Fitter65

The emblem depicts crossed guns under imperial crown.

Ukrainian Iperia

Angry you ....

[memory]

They no longer know how else to show off in order to get help from the owners from overseas ... So I think the economy is on its side.

[Vladimir61]

And for me, even though the phallus is screwed into the buttonholes is empty, to one place ... everyone goes crazy in their own way.

[saygon66]

-British custom - to assign badges to individual units on beret ...

[Prisoner]

There will be a Muslim battalion with a crescent moon and a Jewish one with a Star of David. Bandera and the battalion with the Star of David will shoulder to shoulder defend European values ​​from the Russian "threat." Oh well. Here the neighbors poked something. They began to pirate on the heraldic field.

[garik77]

Why waste time on trifles with some kind of edelweiss? Swastika and eagle, these are real kaklyak symbols.

[sniperino]

It is unclear why the deputy head of Zelensky's office Tymoshenko did not change his patronymic Vladlenovich. He slows down decommunization! Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) is not replaced here by Stapan Bandera (Baba). Should, in theory, be Stebabovich and call his dad Stebab. Or Stebaboy.

[Avior]

The usual Cossack symbols.
I was surprised how many controversies.
An inverted crescent moon, a hexagonal star and so on are common Cossack symbols.
Do not forget that the hexagonal star has been associated with the Jews since the 19th century, while among the Cossacks it was a common symbol and is now used in Ukrainian symbols. There is, for example, on the coat of arms of Poltava.
The lion is from the symbols of Danila Galitsky, the crown is from the same place.
I do not understand why so many have revived.
Edelweiss is a symbol of the mountains almost everywhere, German huntsmen also used it in this capacity. Often they put it on equipment.
I don't understand why such passions flared up.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

Do not forget that the hexagonal star has been associated with the Jews since the 19th century,

Yes, that's how you didn't know, and then you forgot.
The connection with the Jewry of the image of the six-pointed star was first discovered on the Jewish seal of the XNUMXth century. BC. Many ancient synagogues, starting from the period of the Second Temple, were also decorated with similar stars.
This is a stone from the synagogue of the city of Capernaum (Kfar Nachum). The city is mentioned in the New Testament, Jesus Christ preached in the synagogue and performed many miracles in this city.

[Avior]

You misinterpreted my phrase.
Until the 19th century, the hexagonal star was not associated exclusively with Jews; it was used by far not only Jews, and there are many examples of this. She was also the banner of the Zaporizhzhya grassroots Army.
The situation has changed relatively recently - the star began to be associated almost only with Jews from the 19th century.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

The situation has changed relatively recently - the star began to be associated almost only with Jews from the 19th century.

I agree with your explanation.