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In the Polish press: Putin blames everyone except the USSR for unleashing World War II

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Russian President Vladimir Putin allegedly distorts the facts storiesto make the past serve the interests of his imperial politics. This was especially clearly expressed in his article "Real Lessons from the 75th Anniversary of World War II".


This opinion was expressed by Tomasz Nałęcz in an article published by the Polish edition of Gazeta Wyborcza.

As the author notes, Putin mentions Poland too often in his work. More often than about her, it is only about Germany and the Soviet Union. Even about Britain and France, Putin says much less.

True, Nalecz notes "some progress" in the Russian president's assessment of the Polish role in the history of World War II, after all, Putin calls the defensive battles of the Polish army against the Nazis in 1939 heroic for the first time. But, according to the author, this is not enough for the Poles, because they would like to hear words of repentance from the Russian president for the war allegedly unleashed by the USSR. In addition, he accuses our country of the fact that the peoples of Central and Eastern Europe who were attacked by the Nazis did not receive liberation after the victory over fascism, but again found themselves in occupation, but this time in the Soviet.

Nalench considers the entry of the Red Army into Western Ukraine and Belarus an annexation of Polish lands, and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact - a criminal conspiracy that freed Hitler's hands. At the same time, the author somehow overlooks the fact that after the end of the Second World War, Poland became the owner of German lands - those that had never belonged to it and which are still part of Poland.

And especially the author of the Polish edition did not like in Putin's article the accusations of Poland that it contributed to the destabilization of the situation in Europe in the pre-war period, blocking the USSR's steps to create a system of collective security. According to Nalench, the Russian president is ready to blame everyone except the Soviet Union for the outbreak of World War II.
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 7 September 2020 14: 43 New
    31
    Yes, indeed, the USSR wanted war least of all, the Poles would have pinched their language.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 7 September 2020 14: 47 New
      23
      Churchill gave a precise definition of Poland - the hyena of Europe! yes
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 7 September 2020 15: 19 New
        15
        In the Polish press: Putin blames everyone except the USSR for unleashing World War II

        Putin did the right thing!
        We in Russia have long awaited from the leadership of our country a correct and honest historical interpretation of the role of Poland and the Western countries at the beginning of WWII.
        This especially concerns the assessment of revanchist aspirations on the part of the most "great" Poland.
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 7 September 2020 15: 37 New
          13
          Churchill gave a precise definition of Poland - the hyena of Europe!


          Screaming again: From sea to sea
          Greater Poland will have a shadow all around!
          You are not the first time in disgrace and shame
          Invade someone's life and someone's home.

          Hitler is dear to you when he is successful.
          And the conspiracy in Munich, at least something, but gave.
          Not in vain, when you gnawed on the land of the Czechs,
          Churchill called you a hyena.
      2. cost
        cost 7 September 2020 16: 02 New
        +1
        True, Nalecz notes "some progress" in the Russian president's assessment of the Polish role in the history of World War II, since Putin calls the defensive battles of the Polish army against the Nazis in 1939 heroic for the first time. But, according to the author, this is not enough for the Poles.

        Few???
        Well, especially for Mr. Nalecz - "the defensive battles of the Polish army against the Nazis in 1939 completely ground the Wehrmacht, destroyed the 3rd Reich and brought freedom to oppressed Europe from Hitlerism fellow "Is that better, Mr. Nalench? laughing
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 7 September 2020 17: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Rich
          "the defensive battles of the Polish army against the Nazis in 1939 completely ground the Wehrmacht, destroyed the 3rd Reich and brought freedom to oppressed Europe from Hitlerism fellow "Is that better, Mr. Nalench? laughing

          You risk letting the genie out of the bottle. After all, and this can be said. And in all seriousness. Moreover, they will refer to "VO". Say, "thematic specialized site".
          One scribbler 10-15 years ago already nagalyakal "compare how long the Polish army lasted and compare with the advance of the Wehrmacht across the USSR for the same period!"
        2. not main
          not main 8 September 2020 00: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Rich
          Okay, especially for Mr. Nalecz - "the defensive battles of the Polish army against the Nazis in 1939 completely ground the Wehrmacht, destroyed the 3rd Reich and brought freedom to oppressed Europe from Hitlerism fellow" Is that better, Mr. Nalecz?

          Well, why prompt? They already do not know how to spit! And you give them such a hint ... I won't even be surprised that in 10-15 years this will be the main version of WWII!
          1. cost
            cost 8 September 2020 00: 49 New
            +1
            I won't even be surprised that in 10-15 years this will be the main version of WWII!

            Are you serious? belay
            Then let me ask you. Even if we assume that Poland defeated Nazi Germany in 1939 while the USSR and America were developing peacefully, and France, sick in the head, surrendered to herself with fright, then what was England doing at that time? She sat trembling with fear in complete ignorance in a deep defense on her island until 1945, not even suspecting that the war had ended six years ago and the Polish banner of victory was developing over the Reichstag laughing
            So, do not worry, Andrei, - they will not show themselves as suckers and they will show the Poles their real place yes
      3. Memor
        Memor 7 September 2020 16: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Churchill gave a precise definition of Poland - the hyena of Europe! yes

        When the Czechoslovakians were divided, the Poles happily bit off a piece of territory and keep silent about it. The USSR offered Poland its help, but their ambition, as always, let them down ..
        What is it to discuss ideas of methodical rewriting of history! Our weapons are our archives of the Second World War .. There are many interesting things under the heading "keep forever".
        Our Russian, if only to offend or provoke anyone, often does us a disservice.
        Our head of state, thank God, is keeping the line and does not allow any agreements on whether the Russians want war or not.
      4. Ascold1901
        Ascold1901 7 September 2020 21: 06 New
        +1
        That's right - the Hyena of Europe.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 7 September 2020 14: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      Yes, indeed, the USSR wanted war least of all, the Poles would have pinched their language.

      I would say I didn’t want to. The USSR tried in every possible way to avoid or delay the war.
      1. Wwk7260
        Wwk7260 7 September 2020 15: 07 New
        -13
        its delay only strengthened Hitler's position, since time worked for the German military machine, both qualitatively and quantitatively, in armaments, tanks, aircraft, fleet vehicles and general resources for warfare.
        1. NKT
          NKT 7 September 2020 15: 30 New
          10
          Well, the "luminaries of democracy" such as France, Italy and Great Britain were silent when several battalions of the Wehrmacht entered the Rhineland? Hitler then did not have an army and had only one order, at the slightest movement of the French troops - to retreat immediately. They were silent about Austria and the Sudetenland, and about the remnants of Czechoslovakia and about Memel .... turn it east.
          Poland - in general, a complete misunderstanding on the maps, after the seizure of land from the RSFSR, it also committed aggression against Czechoslovakia and is still pretending to be a hose, as if nothing had happened ...
          1. Wwk7260
            Wwk7260 7 September 2020 15: 43 New
            0
            how is your post, under each word of which I can subscribe goes in response to mine, concerning a slightly different topic? request
            1. Beregovic_1
              Beregovic_1 7 September 2020 15: 54 New
              +1
              In order for you to be read and not put on pluses, you need to wedge yourself into the posts of the first five who wrote, often answering inappropriately, just to get in. If you just leave a comment on the article, then it will be at the bottom, that is, where no one will read it and put the coveted pluses)))
              1. Wwk7260
                Wwk7260 7 September 2020 16: 40 New
                +2
                laughing for them, what is poured somewhere, or cashed out? repeat
                1. Beregovic_1
                  Beregovic_1 8 September 2020 20: 47 New
                  0
                  Someone likes virtual shoulder straps))) live here and self-actualize in this way.
                  1. Wwk7260
                    Wwk7260 9 September 2020 04: 46 New
                    -3
                    before the first ban, he was a major general, but he did not resort to any tricks, he just commented for his own pleasure.
                    1. Beregovic_1
                      Beregovic_1 9 September 2020 13: 51 New
                      +1
                      They probably told the truth? Banned for what?
                      1. Wwk7260
                        Wwk7260 9 September 2020 15: 28 New
                        -2
                        Today I received a warning for the letter U, the moderator Anastasia has a rich imagination. laughing
            2. NKT
              NKT 7 September 2020 17: 20 New
              +1
              Didn't you throw a pebble into the garden of the USSR with your phrase? )
        2. Ascold1901
          Ascold1901 7 September 2020 21: 12 New
          +1
          Wwk7260, I will repeat myself - learn some History! Maybe then you will not write Nonsense.
          1. Wwk7260
            Wwk7260 8 September 2020 05: 41 New
            -2
            History is an exact science! Take an interest in the statistics of tank building, aircraft building, car industry, etc., etc., Germany, its satellites, allies, partners and occupied countries and compare with the USSR. With a large margin in favor of Germany, and also consider how the Reich was close to creating nuclear weapons, jet aircraft. Until the year 38, parity was on the side of the USSR, having received at its disposal the industries of Czechoslovakia, France, Poland, Yugoslavia, Greece, Romania ... Germany quickly narrowed the gap
            1. Ascold1901
              Ascold1901 8 September 2020 09: 35 New
              +1
              The USSR was absolutely unprepared for war. More or less real term is 42-43 years. You can't write everything here, try reading the literature based on documents yourself. It's not difficult and very interesting))))
              1. Wwk7260
                Wwk7260 9 September 2020 13: 21 New
                -3
                by 43, the Wehrmacht had a fa1 fau2, and if not a war on the eastern front, it is likely that Yao, not to mention how much they could rivet tanks, aircraft artillery, make supplies of fuel and lubricants, train the Wehrmacht personnel and replenish it, start a war in 43 the USSR had no chance to resist!
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            2. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 8 September 2020 11: 25 New
              0
              History is not mathematics, which is unchanged in any regime. The winners write history. In the same Ukryandiya, children under 20 years old are sure that the Great Ukrainians are a primitive civilization on Earth.
              1. Ascold1901
                Ascold1901 8 September 2020 21: 31 New
                0
                Telling History - yes, Winners))) Secret documents, etc. and so on. Therefore, it is necessary to read literature based on Documents))) This is not fiction, therefore it is difficult to read)))) It is much easier and more fun to read any Rezuns and others.
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 7 September 2020 16: 54 New
        -8
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        Yes, indeed, the USSR wanted war least of all, the Poles would have pinched their language.

        I would say I didn’t want to. The USSR tried in every possible way to avoid or delay the war.

        Damn, it's no secret that Stalin himself wanted to start a war. But, then, and as it will be beneficial to the USSR: "with little blood, on foreign territory."
        1. bukhach
          bukhach 8 September 2020 02: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Normal ok
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Yes, indeed, the USSR wanted war least of all, the Poles would have pinched their language.

          I would say I didn’t want to. The USSR tried in every possible way to avoid or delay the war.

          Damn, it's no secret that Stalin himself wanted to start a war. But, then, and as it will be beneficial to the USSR: "with little blood, on foreign territory."

          The Americans wanted to start a war with the USSR, the "Dropshot" plan would help you, they started, no. Stalin wanted to start a war, he started, no. Great Britain wanted to start a war - "Unthinkable" - first, no. Wanting and doing different things, judging by the desires of the greats of this world can go far, and, by the way, why only them, why such selectivity, let the entire human race be judged not by deeds but by their desires.
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 7 September 2020 14: 53 New
      +6
      According to Nalench, the Russian president is ready to blame everyone except the Soviet Union for the outbreak of World War II.

      That's right, Nalench, make our historians and politicians more open archival documents and publish them. Until then, from this evidence, you start to stutter.
      And, the fact that we are being shy and afraid of offending partners.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 7 September 2020 15: 02 New
        +4
        For some reason, Nalench does not criticize Poland for not letting the Red Army troops through its territory to help Czechoslovakia! If Hitler had been stopped at that time, then maybe the 2nd MV would not have been! fool
      2. Temples
        Temples 7 September 2020 15: 02 New
        +4
        The goal of the Germans, and under them the whole of Europe, was the destruction of Russia.
        And what kind of amoeba do you need to be to accuse the Russians of unleashing a war in order to destroy themselves?
        Both mattresses and angles were waiting for the Germans to enter Moscow.

        Pole is a degenerate.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 September 2020 15: 11 New
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      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      Yes, indeed, the USSR wanted war least of all, the Poles would have pinched their language.

      In vain, Stalin left Poland on the world map ... but to be honest, he left many European countries in vain.
      1. jetfors_84
        jetfors_84 7 September 2020 15: 25 New
        +8
        Yeah. Stalin tore them so much territory from Germany that they should forever thank him. And they opened their filthy mouths. Everyone is crying.
      2. askort154
        askort154 7 September 2020 15: 33 New
        +3
        NEXUS...
        In vain, Stalin left Poland on the world map ... but to be honest, he left many European countries in vain.

        It was rumored that Zhukov suggested to Stalin not to stop at the Elbe, but to "walk" to the Atlantic. Provided a plan! But Stalin and the Politburo refused him, and a political fuss with the Anglo-Saxons began. hi
        1. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 7 September 2020 15: 57 New
          -8
          Only Zhukov himself, storming the Seelow Heights, buried an entire tank army, without which the capture of Europe became impossible.
          1. askort154
            askort154 7 September 2020 16: 38 New
            +2
            Beregovic_1 Only Zhukov himself, storming the Seelow Heights, buried an entire tank army, without which the capture of Europe became impossible.

            ... Just recently, there was a program about a tank division, in a free raid along the German rear, to delay and pin down the defense of Berlin. The raid was successful, the task was fully completed, there were losses, but not the ones you announced. Perhaps I missed something, distracted. If possible, a link. (I don't use cons). hi
          2. Ascold1901
            Ascold1901 7 September 2020 21: 19 New
            +1
            Do you know why they stormed the Seelow Heights? And which tank army was buried there? Understand that history is not studied according to the articles of liberal scribblers. Try reading historians.
            1. Beregovic_1
              Beregovic_1 8 September 2020 20: 48 New
              0
              I wrote from memory ... I will refresh my knowledge - I will unsubscribe and take off the proofs, if any.
              1. Ascold1901
                Ascold1901 8 September 2020 21: 37 New
                +1
                The strategic plan was to prevent the withdrawal of the Germans (I don’t remember exactly how many divisions, but many) to Berlin. Fights in the city are much more difficult than in the field.
    5. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 September 2020 15: 13 New
      10
      The Second World War was not started on September 1, 1939, but by the joint German-Polish division of the Czechoslovak Republic (by the deriban then Bish) back in 1938 ...
      For obvious reasons, the Poles do not want to remember this, however, as well as their owners.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 7 September 2020 15: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        The Second World War was started not on September 1, 1939, but by the joint German-Polish division of the Czechoslovak Republic (by deriban then bish) back in 1938.

        Exactly. Moreover, plans were being made to attack the USSR together with the Germans ... Why did Stalin leave Poland on the map of Europe? Moreover, having strengthened it at the expense of German lands.
        A third of today's Poland is former German lands ...
        1. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 7 September 2020 16: 01 New
          0
          However, two-thirds of the current German lands belonged to the Slavs until the 12th century ... Bodrichs, Lyutichs, etc. Both Ruegen and Mecklenburg, and Berlin itself, were Slavic. Half of the imperial princes descended from the Slavs. Niclotings, Grifichi and many others. So .... Everything is relative
      2. imrek_ua
        imrek_ua 8 September 2020 00: 50 New
        +3
        I would suggest considering the beginning of World War II date of the Anschluss of Austria as Hitler's Germany in March 1938. It was then that the map of Europe began to change.
        1. Shore Cannes
          Shore Cannes 8 September 2020 18: 54 New
          0
          War is when the shooting started. And the Anschluss of Austria and Munich are events that have nothing to do with clashes. If the PRC pushes through, then the beginning of 2 MV will be July 7, 1937 "events on the Marco Polo bridge"
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    7. Fitter65
      Fitter65 7 September 2020 16: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
      Yes, indeed, the USSR wanted war least of all, the Poles would have pinched their language.

      Of course, the USSR knew that Poland, pumped up with the money of France and England, was a serious enemy. Therefore, he tried to avoid war with all his might.
      the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact - a criminal conspiracy that untied Hitler's hands

      In reality, the Poles have windy brains, from August 23 to September 1, 1 (one) week, seven (7) days passed, and now they want to say that during this WEEK the Germans developed a plan of attack on Poland, prepared and concentrated Vrysk, etc. , etc. Yes, we, organizing the release of one PCT in the ola for training, coordinated this issue at least a day in advance, and then raise the country by war to Polyandia, behind which France and Great Britain stand ... laughing Even the Polish occupants of the Cieszyn region carried out this operation not in 7 (week) days, first after the Munich agreement, but after Hitler's signal, they sent an ultimatum to the government of Czechoslovakia, and only then, after 10 days, they sent the units and subunits put on full alert to the Teshin region ... By the way, let them say thanks to Stylin Iosif Vissarionovich that he did not include in the USSR in 1944 the Polish kingdom belonging to the Russian Empire, which Tsar Nikolashka profiled ...
      1. jaroff
        jaroff 7 September 2020 18: 33 New
        0
        I agree. Guderian in his memoirs points out that the plan of attack on Poland was developed in April 1939. Further details were worked out.
    8. Maz
      Maz 7 September 2020 21: 18 New
      0

      A light woke up in pitch darkness
      And God was told the price
      All bowed down, and brothers in Christ
      Everything bent BUT not my Country!
      And again the Russian power is in the hands
      And life and death for the homeland is a beauty!
      Stands and holds the firmament for centuries
      My unconquered country!
  2. Ravik
    Ravik 7 September 2020 14: 44 New
    15
    "According to Nalench, the Russian president is ready to blame everyone except the Soviet Union for the outbreak of World War II."
    Are there any doubts? Personally, I have none.
  3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 September 2020 14: 45 New
    12
    Oh, how difficult it is for the Poles to accept their guilt for the Second World War.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 7 September 2020 14: 57 New
      +2
      The war between Poland and Germany is a one-to-one proverb: A thief stole a club from a thief.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 7 September 2020 14: 50 New
    +4
    Everyone had their own interests! It is natural ...
    The nuance is who and at whose expense tried to implement them!
    In politics it is impossible to find completely white and fluffy, but the degree and color of all turns out to be different !!!
    Poles do not look clean in any way, they cannot wash them in any way.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 7 September 2020 14: 58 New
      +6
      the peoples of Central and Eastern Europe, after the victory over fascism, did not receive liberation, but again found themselves in occupation, but already in the Soviet
      And they liked the fascist occupation more ...
      But the Soviet occupation is very strange: they built cities, raised industry, taught, treated.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 September 2020 15: 07 New
        +1
        It is difficult to give an unambiguous assessment of everything at once. If everything were always good, the CMEA, the Warsaw Pact, could exist for a long time and successfully. But, now in a different way and it is not Russia that climbs to others with its Wishlist and teachings !!! So sho we send them naf, further away, we are not interested in them now AT ALL!
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 7 September 2020 17: 37 New
          0
          And who ordered SEV and VD to live long?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 September 2020 19: 31 New
            +1
            There are a lot of personalities .... they are traitors, contra.
      2. Old Orc
        Old Orc 7 September 2020 15: 58 New
        +4
        Naturally, they liked the fascist occupation better. under her, the Jews were robbed and killed, the bulk of the Germans tidied up, but the crumb stuck to the hands of the offended Polish elites. the Polish people were spreading rot, and part of the Polish magnateria cried out for themselves additional capital. and then these reds came and ruined everything for 50 years, ruined such a gesheft, ruined. naturally the Soviet liberation is down their throats.
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 7 September 2020 15: 00 New
      +2
      Well, they think of themselves as snow-white paladins.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 September 2020 15: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Pereira
        Well, they think of themselves as snow-white paladins.

        Yes, let them as they want ... we don't have to listen to them and see them, and we DO NOT CLIMB to them!
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 7 September 2020 15: 09 New
          0
          Paladins have the right to climb everywhere to establish their own, paladin, order and kill all dissent.
          In the West, it is so accepted.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 September 2020 15: 11 New
            -1
            HERE they are not there !!! they have proved it more than once or twice! Want to try again?
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 7 September 2020 15: 12 New
              0
              They want. They are sure that this time it will definitely work out. After all, all progressive humanity is behind Poland's shoulders.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 7 September 2020 16: 29 New
                0
                You "all progressive humanity" basically do not want to take quotes?
  5. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 September 2020 14: 53 New
    +2
    The USSR observed maximum caution, sought not to aggravate relations with fascist Germany, avoided conflicts with its army even in the presence of provocations, in order to prevent itself from being drawn into the war.
  6. Olgovich
    Olgovich 7 September 2020 14: 57 New
    +1
    and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact - a criminal conspiracy that freed Hitler's hands.


    The attack on Poland is planned for APRIL 1939, and the pact is signed in AUGUST, Polish Itiots.

    And the USSR did not have ANY obligations to defend Poland (if the pact had not been signed), Hitler simply would have become not near Brest, but near Minsk.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 September 2020 15: 05 New
      +4
      Hitler's first victory at the interstate level was the signing of a declaration on the non-use of force between Germany and Poland, which would later lead the world to World War II. But about how the brave Poles were going to participate in the march to the east together with Hitler, now in Warsaw they are hypocritically silent, continuing to pretend to be a victim.
  7. syndicalist
    syndicalist 7 September 2020 14: 59 New
    -5
    In this regard, the position of the USSR looked simple and logical - the position of non-recognition of secret attachments to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. In this case, one could really depict an innocent victim of Hitler's aggression. But how to do it now? The main thing is that it is not clear why this recognition is needed by the current Russian leadership? Moreover, a real study of the authenticity of the document was never carried out. There is not a single scientific report on this topic, not a single scientific discussion on the Internet. How is this even possible with regard to a document that completely reverses the country's historical role?
    1. Ascold1901
      Ascold1901 7 September 2020 21: 26 New
      +1
      Secret additional protocol to the non-aggression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union.

      1. In the event of a territorial-political reorganization of the regions belonging to the Baltic states (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), the northern border of Lithuania is at the same time the border of the spheres of interests of Germany and the USSR. At the same time, the interests of Lithuania in relation to the Vilnius region are recognized by both parties.

      2. In the event of a territorial-political reorganization of the regions belonging to the Polish State, the border of the spheres of interest of Germany and the USSR will be approximately along the line of the rivers Narew, Vistula and San.

      The question of whether it is desirable in the mutual interests to preserve the independent Polish State and what the borders of this state will be can only be finally clarified in the course of further political development.

      In any case, both Governments will resolve this issue by way of friendly mutual agreement.

      3. Concerning the southeast of Europe from the Soviet side, the USSR’s interest in Bessarabia is underlined. On the German side, it declares its complete political disinterest in these areas.

      4. This protocol will be kept by both parties in strict confidence.


      Moscow, 23 August 1939 of the year
      In the first link on request in Yandex. There are also scans. What is the problem?
      1. Torak
        Torak 8 September 2020 07: 46 New
        -1
        Already 100 times it was said everywhere that with a high degree of probability this is a fake, which is what most serious historians declare, although I personally do not see any kind of crime in the text of this article.
        1. Ascold1901
          Ascold1901 8 September 2020 09: 48 New
          -1
          That's it - "... with a high degree of probability ...". Many "serious" historians like to refer to each other to substantiate their "historical" statements. I don't know who you mean ... maybe real historians. Until other originals are presented, these should be considered Originals. And if it were not for this pact, the Second World War would develop in a completely different way. Gepner would then start from the Narva area.
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 8 September 2020 11: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Ascold1901
        In the first link on request in Yandex. There are also scans. What is the problem?

        First, there are several officially published "genuine" copies and they differ from each other. And yet there is not a single scientific study of the authenticity of this document.
        Secondly, the presence (or absence) of this document radically changes the role of the USSR at the beginning of the Second World War. According to this protocol, the parties, 2 days before the start of the war, determined a mutual border during the partition of Poland and subsequently complied with this agreement, exchanging part of the "overly" conquered territories.
  8. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 7 September 2020 15: 02 New
    0
    Again, old songs ... from Poland smile
  9. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 September 2020 15: 10 New
    +3
    After the victory over fascism, the peoples of Central and Eastern Europe, attacked by the Nazis, did not receive liberation, but again found themselves in occupation, but already in the Soviet one.

    Interestingly, where in Europe are not the US occupation troops now? So far, I only know Austria and Finland. Well, Poland, having left the influence of the USSR, immediately fell under the states without occupation. as Putin said something about a woman with little social responsibility.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 7 September 2020 17: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: tihonmarine

      Interestingly, where in Europe are not the US occupation troops now? So far, I only know Austria and Finland.

      + Denmark and Sweden. Well, and a few more neutrals, such as Switzerland and really Lilliputians.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 September 2020 21: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Avis
        Denmark and Sweden. Well, and a few more neutrals, such as Switzerland and really Lilliputians.
        Denmark is one of the founding countries of NATO. Joining the Alliance happened in 1949, American bases in Greenland, which Trump wants to buy, Sweden did not participate in WWII, as did Switzerland.
        1. Torak
          Torak 8 September 2020 07: 39 New
          0
          Switzerland did not participate, but sympathized. Hitlerite Germany on a voluntary basis was provided with 2 military field hospitals with a Swiss contingent.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 8 September 2020 09: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Torak
            Switzerland did not participate, but sympathized.

            Sympathy is a matter of the Swiss, but even Hitler did not allow himself to occupy it, although he could do it without armed intervention. The money bag of the world was a "taboo" for him.
  10. Sibguest
    Sibguest 7 September 2020 15: 14 New
    +1
    Pshem panove, like a self-respecting hyena - you must have a clear understanding of your place in the food chain: your business is not to talk and wait for scraps after a shabby striped eagle.
    Well, in the taiga, at the BEAR - there is nothing to do at all ... mosquitoes can seize.
  11. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 7 September 2020 15: 15 New
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    Right now, Poland wants to take Belarus into its sphere of influence, but this one still dares to say something about the time that they themselves were in the sphere of influence of the USSR ... They turned out, because there is a lot of gonard and talk ... Ugh, like hyenas .. ...
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 September 2020 15: 51 New
    +1
    Well, Poles, whose would bellow. They would shut up and not shine.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 7 September 2020 15: 57 New
    +1
    Listen to the pshek, so the USSR seized half of Europe and then attacked poor Germany. Shielding themselves, they do not notice the general absurdity of what the Poles said
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 September 2020 16: 32 New
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    Quote: jetfors_84
    Yeah. Stalin tore them so much territory from Germany that they should forever thank him.


    In their hearts, the Poles are afraid that these lands will be taken away.
  15. boris epstein
    boris epstein 7 September 2020 16: 34 New
    +2
    Poland FIRST concluded a pact with Nazi Germany-in 1934 1935-Anglo-German naval agreement, allowing Germany to build heavy warships contrary to the Treaty of Versailles, 1938-Anglo-German declaration, 1938-France-Germany pact 22.03.1939/07.06.1939/1939 -pact Lithuania-Germany, 23.08.1939-pact Latvia-Germany, 1938-pact Estonia-Germany, So the USSR, which concluded a similar pact on XNUMX, was the LAST of those who concluded. In addition, French President Daladier and Prime Minister British Minister Chamberlain in XNUMX surrendered Czechoslovakia to Germany. And for some reason the Poles of the USSR are to blame!
  16. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 September 2020 17: 45 New
    +4
    Our guarantor, in the classroom, should have reminded the Poles how, in the most difficult 41 years, the 76 thousandth Polish army of "Anderson" was practically created and maintained at the expense of the material and technical resources of the USSR. Refusing to take part in the battles on the Soviet-German front, after serving on Soviet rations in Central Asia until July 42, these warriors were evacuated to Iran. And only in January 43 took part in the battles, in Italy, on the side of the British troops ...
    1. Ascold1901
      Ascold1901 7 September 2020 21: 32 New
      +1
      That's right - Anders))) But in fact, everything is correct. "Stole" my idea))))
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 8 September 2020 00: 29 New
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        Quote: Ascold1901
        That's right - Anders))) But in fact, everything is correct. "Stole" my idea

        Thanks for the amendment - alas, fairy tales and history live at the same time. What about "stole my idea". Edward! You did not write about this in the comments above. I understand that I was just ahead of your intention.
        1. Ascold1901
          Ascold1901 8 September 2020 09: 50 New
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          Quite right. I wrote incorrectly ((((It was necessary - ahead of it. Thanks for your understanding))))
  17. iouris
    iouris 7 September 2020 18: 47 New
    +1
    The war was prepared by the ruling circles of the United States - the world's leading economy. The USSR is the only socialist state, it could not unleash a world war, since it had a weak backward army, was in an imperialist encirclement and could be attacked at any moment, including from Japan or Britain and France (jointly). On the contrary, Stalin's policy was aimed at preventing accusations of aggression from the "democracies", primarily the United States.
    Well, Poland is the jackal of Europe. Notice I didn't say that.
  18. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 8 September 2020 00: 25 New
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    Tomas messed up the concepts. Statement of facts and accusation. So far, it is Russia that is accused of all sins. But the real historical facts are shyly hidden. And Tomas is not at all original here. Yes, and a joke with him, with Tomash ..
  19. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 8 September 2020 05: 44 New
    +1
    Poland, according to the documents, played one of the first violins in the outbreak of World War II in Europe, so it will not be able to translate the arrows.
  20. Torak
    Torak 8 September 2020 07: 28 New
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    Of course it haunts them! For, first of all, Poland and England, on a par with Germany, exactly unleashed World War II!
  21. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 8 September 2020 10: 24 New
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    According to Nalench, the Russian president is ready to blame everyone except the Soviet Union for the outbreak of World War II.

    Kindergarten: "Why were they just accused of us? Let them accuse themselves, it's a shame for us!"
  22. Igoresha
    Igoresha 9 September 2020 10: 39 New
    +1
    well, the Stalinist USSR was a socialist predator and riveted to all neighbors who were weaker. Before the Great War, he managed to get hold of Finland and Romania as enemies, which backfired.
    He violated the peace treaty with Poland by concluding the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and began preparing for the invasion long before the Polish government allegedly flew abroad from the German offensive. And so Stalin is not to blame for anything, Santa Claus just with a fluffy mustache.