In the USA, they worked out the destruction of a simulator of a "Russian cruise missile" with a Paladin howitzer

The military exercise took place at the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Self-propelled artillery units, fighters, and unmanned aerial vehicles were involved in them.

During the exercise, a 155mm M109 Paladin howitzer shot down a BQM-167 Skeeter special air target, which played the role of a Russian cruise missile. The goal was worked out during the demonstration of the Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS).

General Glen Van Herk, who is the commander of the Northern Command of the US Armed Forces, emphasized that artificial intelligence-controlled systems can be used in organizing combat against such likely adversaries of the US military as the Russian and Chinese armed forces.

The cruise missile was shot down by a new high-speed projectile. This projectile, as noted in the US Air Force, can fly at a speed of Mach 5. According to US Air Force Purchasing Director Will Roper, what he saw during the exercise is "very cool" and looks like a real fantasy: "a cruise missile is knocked out from a self-propelled howitzer."

BQM-167A

In total, the American army used 6 BQM-167 Skeeter targets, which were hit not only by ultra-high-speed howitzer shells, but also by AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles launched from an F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter and an MQ-9 Reaper unmanned aerial vehicle.

As you can see, the American army is seriously working out possible scenarios of military operations against Russia. It is no coincidence that a year ago the Pentagon spoke about the existing plan to break through the multilayer air defense system of the western borders of our country in the Kaliningrad region. The American military is very interested in the capabilities of Russian military equipment, precisely in the context of what means can be used against Russian missiles.

As a reminder, the M109 Paladin howitzer has been widely used in the American army in various modifications since the 1960s. For several decades, it has been tested in numerous military conflicts in Vietnam and the Middle East. The American military department pays great attention to the modernization of this howitzer, its latest modifications are equipped with a digital fire control system, which significantly increases the combat capabilities of the gun.

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[NEXUS]

The American military is very interested in the capabilities of Russian military equipment, precisely in the context of what means can be used against Russian missiles.

For example, against the Vanguard or the Voivode. It is very interesting to hear what they gathered there to incite.

[prodi]

and in general: who discovered the target, how was the barrel directed and promptly loaded with special ammunition, and how much did the projectile cost?

[Insurgent]

In the USA, they worked out the destruction of a simulator of a "Russian cruise missile" with a Paladin howitzer

Quote: prodi

and in general: who discovered the target, how was the barrel directed and promptly loaded with special ammunition, and how much did the projectile cost?

And the "Paladin" (howitzer) is already like an ersatz ZSU (SAM) for the lack (?) Of the US standard air defense systems?

It's like a gun on sparrows ...

[Pereira]

Now yes. I wonder at what distance they shot down? Comparable to Carapace?

[Grazdanin]

They write:
The M-109 shot down a slow, low-flying cruise missile during a command exercise. But BAE Systems claims the HVP projectile is also capable of hitting faster, higher-flying ballistic missiles. It will take more trials to prove this.

[spectr]

I like the following wording:

But BAE Systems claims the HVP projectile is also capable of hitting faster, higher-flying ballistic missiles.

In fact, the projectile was separated from the guidance system. And in case of a miss, it will always be possible to write off the "detector and computer", which provide preliminary guidance. And the projectile is capable !!!!

[Evdokim]

Quote: Pereira

I wonder at what distance they shot down?

Point blank. Some kind of baida, or they fired a rocket. They showed a show for congressmen to give money.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Evdokim

Point blank. Some kind of baida, or they fired a rocket. They showed a show for congressmen to give money.

Strictly speaking, the Germans worked on this topic at one time. To protect base centers from artillery, mortar and rocket shells. KMW Smart Camp Defense.
https://topwar.ru/77190-proekt-kmw-smart-camp-defence.html
But apparently, they considered the 155 caliber redundant

That is, in theory, this is possible even with much less expensive projectiles with a remote fuse.

And then, apparently, they are trying with all their might to push the super-expensive HVP

[Evdokim]

Quote: Spade

And then, apparently, they are trying with all their might to push the super-expensive HVP

Who would doubt that. Show to push an article into the Pentagon budget. And it doesn't matter what to develop, tactical slingshots, or homing bayonet knives.

[Lopatov]

But somehow it all looks like bullshit.
For the Italians have a shell with a similar purpose. "Dart" Also a high-speed sub-caliber for hitting air targets

And that's where the shells are controlled from the ship / installation. Moreover, there is a system that allows you to change the detonation time depending on the target's maneuvering.

[fider]

Lopatov

But somehow it all looks like bullshit.

"The ignorant judge in exactly the same way - what is the point they do not understand, then everything they have is a trifle." I.A. Krylov.

[Lopatov]

Quote: fider

"The ignorant judge

Yes, I somehow in the artillery more the Germans and "Leonardo" trust, if the word

And you, it seems, did not understand anything in essence, but were offended by the criticism of the Americans, and are trying to troll dejectedly?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Insurgent

In the USA, they worked out the destruction of a simulator of a "Russian cruise missile" with a Paladin howitzer

Quote: prodi

and in general: who discovered the target, how was the barrel directed and promptly loaded with special ammunition, and how much did the projectile cost?

And the "Paladin" (howitzer) is already like an ersatz ZSU (SAM) for the lack (?) Of the US standard air defense systems?

It's like a gun on sparrows ...

No, these are new military technologies, baby. Although they are new. It was only a matter of time before connecting the cannon to the control of the air defense system. The Americans did it. The unification of the destruction systems. The class. Our exit. Nobody minds.

[poquello]

Quote: Observer2014

No, this is new military technology baby.

nude nude, our Katyushnoye air defense is working, anti-aircraft missiles from MLRS tornado will somehow be more promising

[Zaurbek]

Well, theoretically, some anti-tank systems with a supersonic missile can hit air targets. And here it is more like a MANPADS missile from a 155mm barrel ...... The question is - why does a howitzer need such a projectile ?! And who will give the CO?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: prodi

how much did the shell cost?

86 000 dollars

[tlauicol]

Quote: prodi

and in general: who discovered the target, how was the barrel directed and promptly loaded with special ammunition, and how much did the projectile cost?

HVP projectile at about $ 85000 apiece. RVV Sidewinder several hundred thousand

[Zaurbek]

Question in Another: Does this projectile replace (in general characteristics) the V-V Sidewinder or V-V Stinger missile? I understand he is with his GOS.

[Vadim237]

The computational system of the air defense radar in conjunction with the howitzer and its firing computational system - firing at the point of movement of the rocket from the calculation of the wind speed of the projectile deflection at the distance of the flight altitude and the speed of the rocket, it was possible to use GPS guidance of a guided projectile - and they hit.

[Alex777]

100% the rocket was flying straight.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Alex777

100% the rocket was flying straight.

directly to the shell

[Alex777]

directly to the shell

Of course. Otherwise, they cannot shoot down targets.

[Zaurbek]

And how should a CD fly in a short section? Perform anti-aircraft maneuvers when a launch is detected on it

[Maz]

Quote: Vadim237

The computational system of the air defense radar in conjunction with the howitzer and its firing computational system - firing at the point of movement of the rocket from the calculation of the wind speed of the projectile deflection at the distance of the flight altitude and the speed of the rocket, it was possible to use GPS guidance of a guided projectile - and they hit.

That is, the target missile did not maneuver, did not bend around the terrain, simply flew stupidly in a straight line at low speed along a previously known route at the range? Ideal conditions? I understand correctly? If so, then, well, they still have to work and work.

[Alex777]

If so, then, well, they still have to work and work.

IMHO so. And the path is hopeless.

[Zaurbek]

CD as a target, if you know where and when it flies ... will be shot down quite simply. But the problem is that it is not known ...

[Serg4545]

Quote: prodi

and in general: who discovered the target, how was the barrel directed and promptly loaded with special ammunition, and how much did the projectile cost?

Most likely it was like this:
The anti-aircraft radar was guided by a drone. Radar and Palladin were paired. The trajectory of the meeting between the projectile and the drone has been calculated. A projectile is produced with a radio fuse. If the projectile flies close enough for the radio fuse to react to the drone, then an explosion occurs. The target can be hit by shrapnel.
Also, if a guided Excalibur projectile was used, then in addition the drone must be continuously illuminated with a laser. Everything else is the same.
Well, nowhere does it say how many attempts were made. Maybe they fired a hundred shells before they hit.
And of course it's just show-off. In a real war, this is not applicable.

[prodi]

Palladin must be Rapidly charged and automatically guided to the lead point, (and this is in addition to external target designation). Theoretically possible, but practically - a complete rotten

[Turist1996]

Palladin must be Rapidly charged and automatically guided to the lead point, (and this is in addition to external target designation). Theoretically possible, but practically - a complete rotten

Exactly! In the internet there is a video of the work of the calculation of "Palladin" and "Acacia" from the inside. The view of the fighting compartment, as usual, is not in favor of our system, but the work of the crew itself is just a song compared to this very "Palladin"! Well, and the rate of fire - just visually you can see that the "Palladin" physically stupidly will not keep up with the "Acacia"!

[eklmn]

“If the projectile flies close enough for the radio fuse to react to the drone, then an explosion occurs. The target can be hit by shrapnel. ”
The HVP projectile is guided (homing) and kinetic, there is no warhead.

[eklmn]

The author did not reveal the main essence of the test, and this is Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS). This is a real-time situation management system using AI. The information is received from satellites and / or from Awaks and / or from locators on the ground, processed by the AI ​​and a command is given to launch. Those. information on the launch of the HVP - kinetic (without a warhead) guided projectile (this is not a missile!) with homing, came thanks to the ABMS system.

[Grazdanin]

They are preparing for a war with China, against Russia in parallel. This system is seen more as a defense of the bases of the western Pacific Ocean.

For the Chinese problem, howitzers that shoot down missiles may be just the thing. After all, China possesses some 1300 missiles and cruise missiles, which, in a major war, could hit US Pacific bases. Airfields in Okinawa and Guam will undoubtedly become the main targets.

The army maintains Patriot anti-aircraft missiles in Okinawa and further terminal air defense high-altitude zones in Guam. Patriot and THAAD can theoretically shoot down oncoming ballistic missiles — and Patriot can also hit low, slow cruise missiles.

But at a high price. One Patriot missile costs $ 5 million. The THAAD missile costs $ 12 million. The army can only afford that many missiles. It is not clear if the service has enough patriots and THAADs to shoot down all the hundreds of missiles the Chinese could launch into Okinawa and Guam.

[Simon]

[/ quote] The American military is very interested in the capabilities of Russian military equipment, precisely in the context of what means can be used against Russian missiles. [/ quote]
Yes! Targets are one thing, but our modern developments will never compare with American targets. The way military equipment does not stand still, but is modernized. Moreover, missiles!

[Trapp1st]

"a cruise missile is knocked out from a self-propelled howitzer"

If it's valid, it's really pretty cool!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Trapp1st

If it's valid, it's really pretty cool!

Yeah ... and it's also cool to conduct exercises in all seriousness, where war techniques are practiced in a zombie apocalypse.

[Pereira]

That's when those who have been ill with Covid turn into zombies, then we will laugh.

[Grazdanin]

The BQM-167 Skeeter itself has very good performance. On the basis of it, Kratos made a UTAP-22 UAV.

Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 0,93 (600 kn (sea level))
Cruising speed: 230 kn (sea level)
Service ceiling: 50 ft MSL (000 m) 15 ft AGL min. / 000 m min.
9 g revolutions;

[APASUS]

How many conditions are needed to coincide, to get from a gun into a rocket?

[voyaka uh]

The exercise was more a demonstration of a computing system and a new projectile than a practical combat capability.
Rather, it can be used against an enemy helicopter. The advantage is the hit range.

[Pereira]

I saw something else - you can make ammunition that is not tied to the base. This opens up tremendous opportunities.
Theoretically, with a wide range of calibers and the presence of guidance systems, specialized vehicles are no longer needed. At least shoot from the tank.

[Terenin]

Will Roper, what I saw during the exercise is "very cool"

But, a little short of "super-duper"

[Grazdanin]

Forbes journalists are of the opinion that this system is more directed against China, to protect bases from missiles. Artillery systems have a high rate of fire, shells are cheaper than missiles, and their mass use is possible.

For the Chinese problem, howitzers that shoot down missiles may be just the thing. After all, China possesses some 1300 missiles and cruise missiles that, in a major war, could hit US Pacific bases.

[APASUS]

Quote: Grazdanin

Forbes journalists believe that this system is more directed against China, to protect bases from missiles.

What rockets? Here are the performance characteristics of the BQM-167 Skeeter from the enemy site:

Performance
Maximum speed: 0.93 Mach (600 kn (sea level))
Cruise speed: 230 kn (sea level)
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft MSL [clarification needed] (15,000 m) 50 ft AGL min. / 8 m min.

Speed ​​then Mach 0.93

[Grazdanin]

Quote: APASUS

What rockets?

Subsonic cruise missiles. For example CJ-10K

[figwam]

Quote: voyaka uh

Rather, it can be used against an enemy helicopter.

If the target maneuvers never hits.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: figvam

Quote: voyaka uh

Rather, it can be used against an enemy helicopter.

If the target maneuvers never hits.

What is rocket maneuvering to you. on the cruising leg of the flight?

[figwam]

Quote: SovAr238A

What is rocket maneuvering to you

You are not reading very carefully, I wrote not about a rocket, but about a helicopter. A cruise missile, by the way, maneuvers the same on the marching sector, bypassing natural and artificial obstacles laid down in the flight route.

[TT62o]

Shipborne Ak-130 range of destruction of air targets 15 km. Invented in the USSR late 70s

[askort154]

As you can see, the American army is seriously working out possible scenarios of military operations against Russia.

And when was it different ?! Earlier against the USSR, now against its successor - Russia.
Only now, sometimes, they add more - China.

[Igor Litvin]

Quote: APASUS

How many conditions are needed to coincide, to get from a gun into a rocket?

As they say in American films: "The main thing is to believe in yourself!"

[Avior]

Oh, this Hollywood!

[rocket757]

It is no coincidence that a year ago the Pentagon spoke about

a lot of things they say and prepare for a lot !!! they seem to be attracted by the preparation process itself ...

[Alien From]

They are attracted by the cut of the budget, however, like many others ...

[Svetlana]

From a cannon to a plane, really cool.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Svetlana

From a cannon to a plane, really cool.

In 2016, in Syria, our Mi 25 from a 57mm anti-aircraft gun was taken out.
And during the Second World War, German planes got out of the three-line.

[Svetlana]

Well, you understand that this is a howitzer and not an anti-aircraft gun. Or?

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Svetlana

Well, you understand that this is a howitzer and not an anti-aircraft gun. Or?

But this is not an airplane, but a cruise missile simulator.
Well yes! What a bore I am!
(joke)

[iouris]

Chef, it's all gone.

[Doccor18]

According to US Air Force Purchasing Director Will Roper, what he saw in the exercise is "very cool" and looks like a real fantasy: "a cruise missile is knocked out from a self-propelled howitzer."

In polygon conditions, a simulator flying at subsonic and high altitude is not so difficult to shoot down.
And if the CD flies at a low altitude, with a bend around the terrain, then the fantasy begins here ...

[tlauicol]

into a stationary target from a stationary tank with a mile and a half more difficult?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Tlauicol

into a stationary target from a stationary tank with a mile and a half more difficult?

It is unknown how many attempts the Americans made to hit the target. It may well be that in their case the statistics are even more depressing.
So in this context, it makes no sense to discuss the topic "is it more difficult or not."
Or are you sure that the Americans hit the first time?

[Vasya Fix]

I wonder when the ballistic missiles will be shot down?

[Vladimir61]

In the United States, they worked out the destruction of a simulator ... According to US Air Force Procurement Director Will Roper, what he saw during the exercise is "very cool" and looks like a real fantasy: "a cruise missile is knocked out from a self-propelled howitzer."

Not even a cartoon. Maybe they forgot, in the last word, the first sentence, to add a part of the word - falo.

[Senka naughty]

This is more than a fact, this is how it really was.

[Free wind]

Cool, at least.

[Ruswolf]

As Budyonny said from the movie The Elusive Avengers:
- "To tell and not to lie ... to spoil the story"

[Stammelford]

Interestingly, shot down with a direct hit))) or a close impulse?
I am sure that close undermining. And here the most important thing is who detects the target, who generates data for shooting. Well, then, as they say, it's a matter of technology

[tlauicol]

that year RSom Zuni was shot down, now a howitzer.

[bars1]

So the Americans fought against Japanese aircraft with anti-aircraft artillery. The only active missiles were not and radar and computing facilities were simpler.

[basal]

It seems to me alone that shooting from a howitzer at missiles is somehow stupid? Jules Verne fantasized about a shot to the moon more plausibly, at least he used a howitzer on business - for shooting along a ballistic trajectory. And let's shoot down rockets with shots from a water pipe, or even spitting - we will also get somewhere.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: basal

It seems to me alone that shooting from a howitzer at rockets is somehow stupid?

Soviet 152mm anti-aircraft gun - KM-52 / KS-52. Everything new is well forgotten old. Cruise missiles and modern UAVs have exactly the speed of aircraft from the 50s.

[KCA]

I wonder what is the speed of the Paladin's turret traverse and changes in the vertical angle of the gun? If the CD, well, will change the course a little, will they have time to direct it? And what rate of fire? Or as before, while the leggings, oh caps are charged, the CD will already be very far away

[uav80]

BAE Systems HVP high-precision and ultra-fast projectile costs $ 86000. In industrial mass production, this price will begin to decline as the US Army begins to bulk purchase them.
For comparison, for example, one Patriot missile costs $ 5 million, and a THAAD missile costs $ 12 million.

[Sibguest]

Citizen Wang ... to, be weasel, explain: was the missile shot down when it was on the launch pad (as in the photo), or was it slowly and sadly floating in the clouds?

[Whirlwind]

In this country, there is generally air defense .. ???

[Kerensky]

I don't want to attract Ukraine, but they should consider the possibility of destroying the Hammer with a mortar, at least an imitator of Sarmat. And unsubscribe no later than tomorrow ...

[Alber alber]

Well, everything is clear, the Yankees, by their habit, do not fool around, put a beacon on the imitator and go for a pretty penny, the lobbyists are happy with the generals also smear bread, well, no one will ask the artillery until the real Russian missile

[Jacket in stock]

What happened?
I don't understand those who write - "fantastic!" I don't even understand the "skeptics" anymore.
Have you fired a shot at the aircraft from an artillery gun?
Well, they knew how 100 years ago.
Got it?
Well, yes, against the background of our Goretankists, it's really cool.
In fact, the only thing that is unusual here is that it just seems very logical, the Americans did not invent a whole "zoo" like ours - Shilka, Tunguska, Pine, Derivation, Thor, Arrow, etc., etc.
They have adapted a weapon of which they have thousands and which are found wherever there are at least some American soldiers.
The fact that this is a howitzer is absolutely irrelevant. This is just a projectile launcher. It could just as well be a slingshot, a water pipe, or just a rail ..
The bottom line is that the detection system found a target, the control system promptly processed the information, the communication system transmitted all the information to the gun and the projectile, and the projectile guidance system correctly controlled this projectile.
Nothing new, but progress is evident. Great progress
Now each art battery becomes part-time an air defense battery and even a little missile defense. You just need to bring new shells, and add a new algorithm to the existing fire control system.

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: Insurgent

In the USA, they worked out the destruction of a simulator of a "Russian cruise missile" with a Paladin howitzer

Quote: prodi

and in general: who discovered the target, how was the barrel directed and promptly loaded with special ammunition, and how much did the projectile cost?

And the "Paladin" (howitzer) is already like an ersatz ZSU (SAM) for the lack (?) Of the US standard air defense systems?

It's like a gun on sparrows ...

on the contrary, cheaper

[Pavel Patrashov]

They are her recumbent ......,

[Vlad Pervovich]

it must be admitted, cool!