Weekend in Belarus again marked by thousands of protest march

A protest march took place in Minsk yesterday. The actions of the demonstrators were controlled by a large number of Belarusian security officials.

According to the Belarusian publication TUT.BY, about one hundred thousand people took part in the protest march.

During the demonstration, the authorities closed six metro stations in the capital. Mobile Internet did not work and there were interruptions in mobile communication. OMON fighters blocked the approaches to the Independence Square.

The protesters moved along Pobediteley Avenue in the direction of the "Minsk - Hero City" stele and the residence of Alexander Lukashenko. By about 16:00 pm, the protesters began to disperse, and by XNUMX:XNUMX pm, law enforcement officers had already begun to remove the cordon.

Along with white-red-white flags, of which there were a lot, several people brought the rainbow flags of the LGBT community. To a large extent, what was happening was like a carnival, the participants of which competed in creativity. In particular, it was hard not to notice a group of guys without shirts, in bath caps and with brooms, chanting "Sasha, you are worn out!"

Protest actions took place not only in the capital, but also in many other cities of Belarus. There were no serious incidents, the processions were relatively peaceful. Despite this, several hundred participants were detained by law enforcement officers.

Interior Minister Yuri Karaev noted that the Belarusian police will not provoke acts of violence, but are ready to respond with forceful methods to aggressive actions.

There is no more humane, restrained and cold-blooded militia anywhere in the world.

- said the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus.

In an interview with journalists of the Belarus 1 TV channel, military expert Valery Prozorov said that the events in Belarus are connected with the growing confrontation between Russia and the West, which is even more acute than the Cold War times. At the same time, he expressed the hope that the people of Belarus will not follow the path of Ukraine:

The Belarusian people will draw the correct conclusion from the current situation. He will choose his own path of development, different from the Ukrainian one and based on the development and adoption of a new Constitution of Belarus.

Comments

[Revival]

This is a farce!
Well come out and then what?
Taking off the slippers is no use and cannot be, empty action

[mikh-korsakov]

Sergei! What's next? Further the weather will deteriorate. The most indispensable will attack the riot police with umbrellas. They won't take off the slippers - they'll get wet. But they won't get dirty feet on the benches either - all the same, the intelligentsia.

[Revival]

Yes, such a protest is nothing in the end

[figwam]

Quote: Revival

Yes, such a protest is nothing in the end

Yes, most are youngsters.

[Tatyana]

Here is some more information about yesterday's Sunday at the demonstration in Belarus - an analytical view from the inside.
Particularly very interesting are the statements of the anti-opposition Ukrainian blogger in Belarus about the abundance of white-red-white flags.
See details from 10:00 min.

Minsk - September 6: Less than 10 under the Lukashenka Palace. New anti-record of "opposition"

[vasek5533]

Here, on the one hand, the country's largest news portal, and on the other, some kind of blogger ... but you have to believe a blogger, and even a Ukrainian one ... Well, a person immediately lied about 10000, what kind of analytics could he have?

[Tatyana]

Quote: vasek5533

Here, on the one hand, is the country's largest news portal, and on the other, some kind of blogger ... but you have to believe a blogger, and even a Ukrainian one ... Well, the person immediately lied about 10000, what kind of analytics could he have?

Well, first of all, this Ukrainian blogger saw the Maidan in Ukraine in 2014 and its consequences and was forced to leave the country for the neighboring Republic of Belarus. And he does not want the same thing to happen in Belarus as in Ukraine after the 2014 STATE REVOLUTION.

Secondly. In terms of the number of protesters on September 6 in Belarus, it is necessary to distinguish between - does the information on the number of protesters in Belarus include the TOTAL number of participants in all cities of Belarus, or only about ONE city of Minsk? These are two different things.
In this case, the Ukrainian blogger is only talking about Minsk.

Thirdly. If you are familiar with photography and drawing, you should understand that the view of the author of photographs from different angles at the object creates different informational impressions for the viewer. It's either like not seeing the forest behind individual trees and, conversely, seeing only the forest and not seeing individual trees under your nose.
It is noteworthy that the live broadcast of "Dozhd" used mainly NEXTA footage - namely, it showed local crowds of people only from below and only from the side of a leisurely column stretching into the distance. At the same time, the commentator of "Dozhd" also on the air first estimated the number of demonstrators in Minsk at 10 thousand people, then either in Minsk or across the country at 100 thousand and then at 200 thousand.

Where the truth is is a question.

But not only I personally, but many other viewers and analysts on the Telegram channel drew attention to the density of the use of white-red-white flags at the demonstration in Minsk on September 6.09.2020, XNUMX. And this is already interesting.

[vasek5533]

Yeah, he went to Belarus)) He sits in Russia, from far away he can see better not only in his homeland, but also in other countries. You yourself would subscribe to Nexta, you can not read everything that is written there, you will not like it) but there are a lot of videos, and not just one from the rain or from a yurik, you believe your eyes, I hope.
And yes, there are more flags. It's just a symbol of change, but you will be told that there are more fascists.

[Tatyana]

What do I care about your paid polonized NEXTA with a bloated staff of employees under the control of the Polish special services? The founder and blogger of NEXTA is already its director.
Can't you see who NEXTA is working for?
The activities of the pollinated and provocative NEXTA should be correctly and critically assessed, and not blindly trusted in everything.

[pytar]

What do I care about your paid polonized NEXTA with a bloated staff of employees under the control of the Polish special services? The founder and blogger of NEXTA is already its director.
Can't you see who NEXTA is working for? The activities of the pollinated and provocative NEXTA should be correctly and critically assessed, and not trusted in everything blindly.

And you certainly have to believe the official Lukashenka media, which are kept by the state, which is Lukashenka's personal property! Don't make people laugh ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: pytar

Lukashenka's personal property

That is, you need to trust those to whom the Poles pay?

[pytar]

That is, you need to trust those to whom the Poles pay?

I trust with my many friends and acquaintances from brotherly Belarus! They are definitely not paid by any Poles!

[Dart2027]

Quote: pytar

I trust with my numerous friends and acquaintances from brotherly Belarus!

Twenty years ago, one such friend was paid $ 500 for her performance. Have the rates changed?

[pytar]

Twenty years ago, one such friend was paid $ 500 for her performance. Have the rates changed?

I have more than 50 acquaintances and friends. They know about the theses of Lukashenka’s propaganda and laugh. Fiction, of course, but for a certain category of members of the forum, it is suitable.

[Dart2027]

Quote: pytar

I have more than 50 acquaintances and friends

And all the "Crimean women, the officer's daughters."

[pytar]

And all the "Crimean women, the officer's daughters."

Real people come visiting. With some of them we have organized Belarusian-Bulgarian public events in the fields of culture, tourism, economy!

[Dart2027]

Quote: pytar

Belarusian-Bulgarian public events in the field of culture, tourism, economy

How's that?

[Selenium]

And what should we believe those who are paid by the Germans and Miller at their distribution?

[Revival]

I understand that you do not trust the state media of Belarus?

[pytar]

I understand that you do not trust the state media of Belarus?

I categorically do not trust! I trust with my many friends and acquaintances from brotherly Belarus! They are great!

[Revival]

I, of course, did not ask you, I did not doubt you))

[pytar]

I beg your pardon, I did not turn my attention and wrote to you!

[Revival]

I knew right away.

[vasek5533]

So I offered you not only to critically assess, but not to read these nasty messages at all) just watch the video and think for yourself. Or videos from mobile phones are all faked too ... well, then it remains only to believe home-grown bloggers. You will never understand that there are so many subscribers to NEXTA not because people are zombified, but because you don't need to search for videos on the Internet, but you can watch them in one place.

[james]

To take Nexta seriously is not to respect yourself. He knows less about Belarus than anyone on the "Black" holes in space

[kris_67]

“And he doesn't want it to happen again in Belarus” - it’s logical, where should he run then?

[pytar]

There were a lot of people in spite of bad weather and showers! This is a fact that only the blind will deny!

Yes, there were Russian flags and all sorts of others! The author noticed only those that he needed ...

People will test against Lukashenka, not against Russia! And the Kremlin, betting on the dictator, risks losing the Belarusians!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

People will test against Lukashenka, not against Russia! And the Kremlin, betting on the dictator, risks losing the Belarusians!

You are deeply mistaken or simply deliberately do not want to face the truth!

Here is what hung on the official website of Tikhanovskaya until August 18, 2020: https://web.archive.org/web/20200817014257/http://reformby.com/be/2020/06/12/security/ (at Belarusian).
She has already deleted it (and now she is lying that she has nothing against Russia), but the cache remembers everything. And by the link you can see for yourself. All this is called "Reanimation package of reforms for Belarus".

What was published on the site http://zabelarus.com/ru/2020/06/25/security-2/ (cache). I quote only a few points:

1. In the political sphere:
- Withdrawal from the "Union State", the Eurasian Union, the Customs Union and other integration entities dominated by Russia;
- Prohibition of pro-Russian organizations whose activities are contrary to national interests, as well as Russian funds and organizations that finance such structures;
- Introduction of criminal liability for public statements that dispute the existence of a separate Belarusian nation and / or its historical right to its own state.
- Introduction of criminal liability for public insults of the Belarusian language;
- Monitoring by civil society of the activities of pro-Kremlin initiatives in Belarus;
- Implementation of border and customs control on the border with Russia
2. In the economic sphere. Ban on the sale of Belarusian infrastructure facilities to Russian companies.
3. In the information sphere:
- Liberation of independent media from pressure and control by the state, ensuring freedom of the media and freedom of speech in Belarus;
- Banning the broadcasting of journalistic, socio-political and news programs in Belarus created by Russian TV channels;
- Inclusion in the standard TV package of compulsory public TV channels in Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine.
4. In the military sphere:
- Withdrawal from the CSTO, the return of full control of Belarus over its air and anti-missile defense systems;
- Removal of Russian military facilities from the territory of Belarus - a communications center in Vileika and a radar station near Baranovichi;
- Translation of educational work in the army into Belarusian;

Long-term goals (until 2030)
- Creation of a cross-cutting education system in the Belarusian language from kindergartens to universities;
- Restoration of the Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church as a national alternative to the Belarusian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate;
- Fulfillment by Belarus of all criteria for membership in the European Union and NATO, submission of relevant applications for membership in these structures.

See in detail - "Why is Svetlana Tikhanovskaya an enemy of Russia and Belarus? Evidence" - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/zapisi_na_poljah/pochemu-svetlana-tihanovskaia-vrag-rossii-i-belarusi-dokazatelstva-5f3cfa466d86cb29cad37ce6

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

People will test against Lukashenka, not against Russia! And the Kremlin, betting on the dictator, risks losing the Belarusians!

And here is a comment by Artem Voitenkov for the Program of the joint campaign headquarters of Tikhanovskaya, Tsepkalo and Babariko in case of victory of Svetlana Tikhanovskaya in the elections.
It is planned to sever relations with Russia, prohibit the Russian language, join the EU and NATO, SALE of enterprises to Europeans and Americans. Everything is like in Ukraine.

And you will tell us from Bulgaria that all this is not against the Russian Federation and the Russians ?!

Tikhanovskaya will join NATO, sell enterprises to the West and ban the Russian language in Belarus • 18 Aug. 2020

[pytar]

What else can you expect from Artem Voitenkov ??? This dude is fighting on the disinformation front! Mows for Lukashenka, but none of the opposition has the slightest interest in exacerbating relations with Russia! Nobody wants to give the Kremlin a reason to interfere!
There are Russophobic forces in Belarus, but they are small, marginal, and have no influence! But here you are, do it, so that even the totally Russophile Belarusian people begin to look at you with apprehension! By helping the dictator against the people, you turn ordinary Belarusians against yourself! In truth, no external enemy can do so much harm to Russia as she does to herself!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

There are Russophobic forces in Belarus, but they are small, marginal, and have no influence!

Well, yes, of course, of course, - RUSOFOBIAN forces in the Republic of Belarus are small, marginal and no FOREIGN have no influence! (Sarcasm.)
However, for some reason they all, LIKE TO BE , concentrated in the Belarusian oppositional Coordination Council and around Tikhanovskaya!

[pytar]

However, for some reason, all of them, LITTLE, concentrated in the Belarusian oppositional Coordination Council and around Tikhanovskaya!

You took it ... right from the mouth of Lukashenka! The one who said one thing yesterday, while playing another, and tomorrow that he will sing, even he himself does not know!

[james]

Tikhanovskaya nee Svetlana Pilipchuk - that says it all + worked as a translator from English in various organizations, including the Chernobyl Life Line charity organization to help victims of the Chernobyl accident (Ireland). And my husband never once remembered or hinted at his release. a doll that speaks in other people's voices

[Kunashir 1976]

Zen.yandex is no doubt an authoritative source.

[pytar]

You quoted at length one of the fakes spread by Lukashenka's media.
At a meeting of the country's Security Council, Alexander Lukashenko, who declared himself president of Belarus, criticized the opposition's “program”. Representatives of the coordinating council for the transfer of power in the country replied that such a program does not exist.
Representatives of the coordinating council said they had no idea what program Lukashenka was talking about and called his words manipulation. Olga Kovalkova, confidant of opposition presidential candidate Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, stressed that the council is still at the stage of formation.
“We are constructively disposed towards all external partners of the Republic of Belarus. We believe that all existing agreements must be respected. Russia is an important foreign policy and economic partner. We understand and appreciate this. We believe in open, pragmatic and consistent relationships built on clear and understandable principles. Unfortunately, tensions and conflicts regularly arise in cooperation with Russia ”, - said member of the council Maria Kolesnikova in a comment to RBC.

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

You quoted at length one of the fakes spread by Lukashenka's media.
Representatives of the coordinating council said they had no idea what program Lukashenka was talking about and called his words manipulation.

It is not Lukashenka who is lying, but the members of the Tikhanovskaya Coordination Council.
Unfortunately, you yourself are bad at tracking messages on the Internet.

In your case, in this case, you personally need to make claims to the Internet itself - the Internet, which, as it turns out in your opinion, allegedly also lies, just as Lukashenka allegedly lies in your opinion.

Here is a witness to the existence of the Tikhanovskaya Program from Ukraine - a practical lawyer and advocate Tatyana Montyan, who, to the point of subtly in a sacastic form, analyzes in detail the text of Tikhanovskaya's Program or her Coordination Council.

# MONTYAN: Maybe Tikhanovskaya is for friendship with Russia? August 18, 2020

[pytar]

It is not Lukashenka who is lying, but the members of the Tikhanovskaya Coordination Council. Unfortunately, you yourself are bad at tracking messages on the Internet.

It is you who reason poorly, it is illogical! Not a single sensible person will write an anti-Russian program at a time when it is being decided on whose country Russia will be! This is possible only if another interested country decides to arrange a disinformation provocation! Who is even more interested in this? The answer is obvious - with Lukashenka!

Here is a witness to the existence of the Tikhanovskaya Program from Ukraine - a practical lawyer and advocate Tatyana Montyan, who, to the point of subtly in a sacastic form, analyzes in detail the text of Tikhanovskaya's Program or her Coordination Council.

Yeah ... you know, it's very funny! When it is necessary to denigrate Lukashenko's opponents, even an expert from Ukraine can help! Tatyana Montyan, I've been listening for a long time. In the given case, she is discussing a non-existent event. This is such a disinformation approach, which is obliged to add credibility to the fake!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

In the given case, she is discussing a non-existent event. This is such a disinformation approach, which is obliged to add credibility to the fake!

Are you really that naive or are you pretending?
You are also told that we are talking about INTERNET traces after deleting previously posted information - the so-called. PROGRAMS of Tikhanovskaya - on the site of Tikhanovskaya herself !!!
И this information has been seen by many, independently of each other, different people and in different countries! And everyone repeats the same text and the same content!
What else do you need for reliability? What "NON-EXISTING" event are you talking about?

[pytar]

Are you really that naive or are you pretending? You are told that we are talking about INTERNET traces after deleting previously posted information on the website of Tikhanovskaya herself !!!

I have a certain knowledge of the Internet and computers ... so these tales, not for me ...
On 04.09. hackers hacked the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus and added Lukashenko to the list of wanted ...

It's not a problem for a qualified IT specialist to change something to someone's website ... Belarus is famous for its IT specialists, there is no doubt that there are some in Lukashenka's camp.

[Tatyana]

It is right to say that the supporters of Tikhanovskaya and her Belarusian oppositional Cordation Council in their political zombie are very similar to a religious sect!
They do not understand anything logically, they do not see the realities and do not want to see!

[pytar]

It is right to say that the supporters of Tikhanovskaya and the Cordation Council in their political zombie are very similar to a religious sect! They do not understand anything, do not see and do not want to see!

But you never know what, someone says somewhere. The world is a chatty place, and the Internet is even more ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

But you never know what, someone somewhere says something. The world is a chatty place, and the Internet is even more ...

So learn to internally logically consistently distinguish the truth from the lie on the basis of who benefits from it! You don't do this, you just believe other interpreters - and that's it!

[pytar]

So learn to internally logically consistently distinguish the truth from the lie on the basis of who benefits from it! You don't.

It would be very useful if you do it for yourself! Recommend! Feel the difference yourself!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

It would be very useful if you do it for yourself! Recommend! Feel the difference yourself!

I know the difference. More than one philosophical and political concept has passed through my scientific expert hands on the authors' compliance with the criterion of internal logical consistency in their works in order to establish the reliability or unreliability of their forecasting as a guide to action and in whose interests they write.

[pytar]

More than one philosophical and political concept has passed through my scientific and expert hands ...

There is no limit to improving your knowledge! Even a specialist can fall into the trap of self-delusion! You, as I understand it, are not an exception!

[Tatyana]

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Quote: pytar

There is no limit to improving your knowledge! Even a specialist can fall into the trap of self-delusion! You, as I understand it, are not an exception!

In logical calculations, as such, there is no concept of "deluded" if in the calculation itself all logical rules are fulfilled without errors. It's like math. And in the binary system of calculus - "yes" or "no".

But the original messages, the authors may well manipulate the public consciousness, passing them off as truth. In such a case, the calculation may give a deliberately incorrect answer.
Therefore, it is simply impossible to believe everyone and everything without critical analysis. Trust but verify!
You never know who will think of something of his own, to practically achieve against the interests of others and will lie to everyone, tell everyone half-truths, etc. in their own interests, manipulating public consciousness. There is no need to become a victim of their manipulations. You need to know who your true enemy is and why.

We are just standing on opposite sides of the barricades. You are not standing for Russia and not for the union of Belarus with Russia.

[pytar]

In logical calculations, as such, there is no concept of "deluded" if in the calculation itself all logical rules are fulfilled without errors. It's like math. And in the binary system of calculus - "yes" or "no".

Tatyana, at least I did not ask you to give me lectures ... all the same I read what was written with interest! In fact, you have no critical analysis! There is no multivariance, and where do different probabilistic branches lead? There is no logical operator "or"! You put one fake and judge it as a fact, leading to a pre-made "conclusion"! You are essentially trying to manipulate unsuccessfully! You do not have a goal to reach the truth! And what is your goal, you yourself further reveal!

We are just standing on opposite sides of the barricades. You are not standing for Russia and not for the union of Belarus with Russia.

Here you yourself, without realizing, exhibited - "stand for Russia, for the union of Belarus with Russia!"And compose in that spirit, whether it is true or not! I try to be more obtrusive for the difference from you! I am not burdened with any goals, except to understand the essence of events, cause and effect! I do not expect you to understand, but I will write in more detail!"
I have a lot of friends / more than 50 / in Belarus! Different age and social status! Among them, only 3-5 are for Lukashenka, and these are older people. Everyone else is firmly against him, but not one is against Russia! They had a long history of dislike of Lukashenka, but not so pronounced. One of them is a former military man, a disability pensioner. He told me such terrible things for a long time that I did not believe him! But ... I already believe. I admit, until recently I perceived Belarusians as a little amorphous, not fully formed nation. Many of them were and are more pro-Russian than Russians themselves! But in general, these people are calm, without unnecessary uryakalka. And over the past few months I have seen a very interesting phenomenon! The Belarusians now have a national goal, a common factor! Indignation from Lukashenka's lawlessness led to a splash of patriotism, the self-organization of society is incredible !! They suddenly realized their belonging to one nation, and before our very eyes, the accelerated formation of national identity began! Unfortunately, Russia, having found a dictator, is not playing the best role in this process!
I think that Lukashenka has undoubtedly brought to the creation of Belarus, as a state, such as it is! But ironically, his last role turned out to be to rally the nation against himself and give it a head start, so that it could be formed completely and irrevocably!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

Among them, only 3-5 are for Lukashenka, and these are older people. Everyone else is firmly against him, but not one is against Russia!

It is they who think so, but in fact it is not at all true, because Tikhanovskaya and Co. are against Russia !!!
The Russian Federation also has big claims to Lukashenka, but the alliance with Belarus is more important for Russia. Tikhanovskaya & Co. would have had an alliance with Belarus and Russia in their plans - but in fact it is not in the plan at all - one deceptive outfit. There's nothing to even talk about! And she didn’t actually win the elections against Lukashenka. This is all a bluff!
And not your 50 acquaintances of Belarusians will independently decide later - after the STATE REVOROT - political and economic issues in the country. They, destroying their country, lead the pro-Western compradors to power in Belarus, who then will not reckon with their opinion in any case.
Some pro-German colonial white-red-white flags historically speak volumes! And Litvin flags too!
I'm not going to give you a lecture here.
I am only amazed at your naivety - exactly the same as that of most Ukrainians in 2014!
Russia does not need polonized and olivine Belarusians. Poles and Lithuanians have always historically been against Russia and Russians! How can you not understand this?
And even the example of modern Ukraine does not tell you anything!

Quote: pytar

In fact, you have no critical analysis! No multivariance, and where do the different probabilistic branches lead? There is no logical operator "or"! You put one fake and judge it as a fact, leading to a pre-made "conclusion"! In fact, you are trying, unfortunately, by the way, to manipulate! You do not have a goal to reach the truth!

I'm sorry you didn't understand me.

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

In fact, you have no critical analysis! No multivariance, and where do the different probabilistic branches lead? There is no logical operator "or"!

The logical calculation system is binary - "yes" or "no" - and there is no concept of "or" in it. It is precisely this certainty of its own that correctly constructed logical calculations-predictions in history are strong as a guide to action.
Your "multivariance" is broken down by analysis and synthesized into a new, uniquely correct knowledge, if there are no logical errors in the calculation and the initial data are really correct and double-checked.

[pytar]

As I understand it, your "logical diagram" refers to social processes, right? So, it is not suitable for analyzing them! Because, according to one branch, the answer may be ambiguous, there may be different deviations from it! There can be a bunch of factors at the same time, there are so-called. cumulative effect! There may be one reason, but several consequences, as well as vice versa! There are mathematical models, but it seems to me that yours are somehow not scientific.

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

There are mathematical models, but it seems to me that yours is somehow not scientific.

Mathematics is only one of the sections of general logical knowledge, the qualitative and quantitative connections of phenomena in which are expressed in numerical terms.
And you need to study more abstract scientific disciplines, such as formal logic and dialectical logic, as well as various other philosophical methods, and have the skill to use them in the practice of social design and review.
Then you will distinguish between which methods are scientific and which are not, and what can be obtained with their help for forecasting as a guide to action.

[pytar]

Do you know what surprises me? Why are you going to decide for the Belarusians? Do you think they are all fools, or what? Lukashenka clearly falsified the elections, he personally admitted in an interview that he had falsified the previous ones! In truth he insisted that he rewrote them from 80% to 70% because of Europe! So if he draws figures as he wants, what kind of elections are they? The people of Belarus are sovereign! The people should decide their fate in fair, open elections, referendums, etc.! And since Lukashenka was totally compromised, no promises, contracts, etc. those signed by him will not be legitimate! About the flag, let's not ... better remember what flag the ROA had! It's not up to you to decide what banner their country will have!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

Do you know what surprises me? Why are you going to decide for the Belarusians? Do you think they are all fools, or what?

And I am surprised by your DOUBLE SIANDARTS. Namely.
In your opinion, Russia CANNOT interfere in the affairs of Belarus, but the West CAN completely.

As an example to you personally, political scientist Oleg Khavich tells how the same Poland interfered in the same presidential elections in Belaous, and answered current questions:
- Will Poland sponsor the Belarusian opposition?
- How important is Belarus for Poland?
- Why was Belarus invited to the Lublin Triangle?
On July 28 in Lublin, Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania announced the creation of the "Lublin Triangle", within the framework of which it is planned to resolve issues of political, economic and social cooperation.
Historically, it was in Lublin in 1569 that a union was concluded between Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which created a new state - Rzeczpospolita. Therefore, the composition of the participants in the "triangle" practically repeats the borders of the Commonwealth, with the exception of Belarus, whose lands are the modern Polish radical Nazis in the power of Poland - that is, the ideological heirs of the Nazi Pilsudski are trying to join Poland.
- Who will win the presidential elections in Belarus? And why?

Elections - 2020: # Poland is preparing a coup in Belarus? •5 Aug 2020

[Tatyana]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: pytar
Do you know what surprises me? Why are you going to decide for the Belarusians? Do you think they are all fools, or what?

And I am surprised by your DOUBLE SIANDARTS. Namely.
In your opinion, Russia CANNOT interfere in the affairs of Belarus, but the West CAN completely.

And what is this called?

For example. Russian publicist Sergei Karnaukhov in his exclusive investigation spoke about how FOREIGN mercenary provocateurs act in Minsk to organize clashes during mass protests and what result their foreign employers expect from them at the finish line.
From the video recording of Karnaukhov's conversation with one of these mercenaries - the organizers of the protests:

“We get the key to the start: roughly speaking, we choose the location where the first clash will take place. The most acceptable scenario was supposed to look like this: they were supposed to be civilians armed with firearms, but of course ready people who could open fire to suppress them and just as calmly retreat, not being afraid of being captured. That is, we had to do the main part "

See in detail - "" The main part should have been done by us ": a foreign" mercenary "described the organization of protests in Belarus" dated 3.10.2020 - https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2020921856-5CsF3.html?utm_source = tvzvezda & utm_medium = longpage & utm_campaign = longpage & utm_term = v1

The ultimate goal of these protest actions is either the flight of President Lukashenko from Belarus, or his capture and transfer to the authorities, which would be urgently formed for this.

This is a complete FOREIGN tracing of the organization by the West of the Ukrainian Maidan in Belarus.

[pytar]

Russian publicist Sergei Karnaukhov in his exclusive investigation spoke about how FOREIGN mercenary provocateurs act in Minsk for

The key word is "Russian" ... By the way, for some reason you forget that quite recently Lukashenko himself was shouting about the Russian Wagnerites, who, according to their ego, were sent to organize riots in Belarus, and even arrested 33-tero! You already decide, otherwise it really looks like some kind of absurdity!
It seems to me that you, like Lukashenko, stubbornly do not want to see the people's discontent with this government! You constantly dream of mercenaries, saboteurs, curator! Absurdly straight! We are also waiting for the Martians, Elon Musk will probably bring them!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

The key word is "Russian" ... By the way, for some reason you forget that quite recently Lukashenko himself was shouting about the Russian Wagnerites, who, according to their ego, were sent to organize riots in Belarus, and even arrested 33-tero! You already decide, otherwise it really looks like some kind of absurdity!

I have previously assessed this situation with the so-called "Wagnerites" and wrote that there is a "mole" sitting in Lukashenka's entourage, which Lukashenka substitutes. That this is an operation of the Armed Forces of the US intelligence services.
Whether someone likes it or not, I don't care.

[pytar]

I have previously assessed this situation with the so-called "Wagnerites" and wrote that there is a "mole" sitting in Lukashenka's entourage, which Lukashenka substitutes. That this is an operation of the Armed Forces of the US intelligence services.

It's funny how you do it - about everything that you don't like, the "guilty" APU, the USA, Poland, etc. Lukashenka blurts out something, the whole West is cracking, and they are straining to the East! You should have looked at Mishustin's face when you listened to Lukashenka's raving about the "wiretapped telephone conversation between Germany and Poland."

[Quadro]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: pytar

The key word is "Russian" ... By the way, for some reason you forget that quite recently Lukashenko himself was shouting about the Russian Wagnerites, who, according to their ego, were sent to organize riots in Belarus, and even arrested 33-tero! You already decide, otherwise it really looks like some kind of absurdity!

I have previously assessed this situation with the so-called "Wagnerites" and wrote that there is a "mole" sitting in Lukashenka's entourage, which Lukashenka substitutes. That this is an operation of the Armed Forces of the US intelligence services.
Whether someone likes it or not, I don't care.

It is useless for the naughty little fellows to chew something, the two worlds fought against us and now sold themselves to NATO and are ready to slaughter the Russians.

[pytar]

In your opinion, Russia CANNOT interfere in the affairs of Belarus, but the West CAN completely.

I have no double standards! In my opinion, no one can interfere! You yourself come up with some theses, and then you start discussing them!

political scientist Oleg Khavich

Ukrainian political scientist, political scientists million in our time. You know, Belarus is a mono-national country. There is no threat of its absorption by Poshi or other neighbors, except for the Russian Federation, under the form of a "union state". In principle, this should be decided by the Belarusians themselves, it is better for a referendum.

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

I have no double standards! In my opinion, no one can interfere!

Well, when the revanchist Erdogan begins his aggressive policy in the Black Sea to restore the Ottoman Empire, you - Bulgarians - and remind Russia that Russia does not interfere in the defense of Bulgaria.

Quote: pytar

There is no threat of its absorption from Poland or other neighbors, except for the Russian Federation, under the form of a "union state".

You do not understand anything in politics and do not know our Russian history, apparently, like your Belarusian friends.

[Farid Alekperov]

oh eh, Erdogan is also to blame that Lukash is clinical? ) You don’t worry about the Bulgarians and Turks, they have an excellent relationship and they will perfectly figure out what's what without snotty ones)

[pytar]

Well, when the revanchist Erdogan begins his aggressive policy in the Black Sea to restore the Ottoman Empire, you - Bulgarians - and remind Russia that Russia does not interfere in the defense of Bulgaria.

Tatiana, I apologize, but your thoughts are really jumping from branch to branch! You are talking about a hypothetical military invasion by an external force. And in the case of Belarus, there is a confrontation between the people of your brother country with the dictator Lukashenka, who is trying to stay in power, against the will of the people! In all cases, the Russian authorities act on the basis of their own interests. And here the question is - to what extent is it in their interests to support a person whom a significant part of Belarusians hate? It's not up to me to decide, I just express my opinion.

You do not understand anything in politics and do not know our Russian history, apparently, like your Belarusian friends.

Judging by what you have written so far, I still think that I know politics and your history a little better than you do. Okay, gone ...

[Aleksandr56478]

I voted for Lukashenka twice (2005 and 2010), the rest of the time I did not vote, because everything suited relatively, this time did not vote at all, because. I thought that everything would happen on a knurled basis, even when 80% were announced, I was not surprised (for the first time or what) ... but the torture of detainees in the detention center on Akrestsin Street, it's just kapets and it doesn't matter if there were oppa or random passers-by, the law of behavior and the actions of the security forces interprets clearly and without any ambiguity, what happened on August 9-11 does not fit into any framework (such lawlessness continues to this day (by lawlessness I mean the absence of criminal cases for obvious abuse of authority and for unjustified use of physical force and special means, not long ago for such facts the police officers sat down for decent periods)) ... To be honest, I was unpleasantly surprised when Russia supported Lukashenka, and not the Belarusians (it would be enough just non-interference in our affairs, but and to bring in their own security officials to help those who run out of coils, so this is generally a flight) ... I thought that Russia would nevertheless act, as it did with Armenia in its time, but it turned out like this ...

[pytar]

Hello Alexander! You put everything more clearly! The real essence of power is revealed in times of crisis! Her true face! Dictatorship is dictatorship! In given case, personal in the face of Lukashenka! And as for the actions of the Kremlin, well ... they support themselves. And they make a mistake ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

About the flag, let's not ... better remember what flag the ROA had! It's not up to you to decide what banner their country will have!

Yes, the ROA had a Russian flag. But the Russian flag, under which Vlasov fought, was originally the sovereign IMPERIAL IMPERIAL flag of Russia, and not colonial, like the Belarusian white-red-white flag. Namely.

Our Russian flag was not originally created with the permission of any invaders - it is really a SOUTHERN Russian flag, which is historically several hundred years old. For the Russian Federation, this is the flag of the FREE Russian Empire.
And the fact that he was used by Vlasov, so under his lousy treacherous task of serving Germany - all kinds of "White Guards" he would have been in his Vlasov ranks to fight against Soviet Russia for the alleged liberation of the Russian Empire from the Bolsheviks simply would not have gathered.

And the Belarusian white-red-white flag was the flag of the Belarusians colonized by the Germans under the external control of Germany - the enemy of the same Belarusians - and in fact remains the same flag symbol.
And the Belorussian Antlukoshenkaites are moving under this BCHB flag to return from FREEDOM in the direction of a new OCCUPATION by the West - i.e. to turn your country back into a COLONY of the West.

Do you feel the difference for R.Belarus in the treacherous GEOPOLITICAL tasks of the Tikhanovskaya team, which is now in Lithuania?

[vasek5533]

I was even glad that you wrote this ///"... if there are no logical errors in the calculation and the initial data is really correct and rechecked " Your understanding of the situation in Belarus is precisely based on incorrect initial data. Therefore, you are truly perplexed It is right to say that the supporters of Tikhanovskaya and the Cordation Council in their political zombie are very similar to a religious sect! They do not understand anything, do not see and do not want to see! If you are for the union of the Republic of Belarus with the Russian Federation, then you have to say something completely different, until anti-Russian sentiments in Belarus began to grow.
And the wrong data are (from one point) - 1. Lukashenka won the elections.
You discuss secondary things: candidates' programs, flags, zombies, what was bad for you, etc. And the problem of legitimacy must be solved, otherwise no union will work.

[Tatyana]

Quote: vasek5533

1. Lukashenka won the elections.

Tikhanovskaya could not win the elections - in principle !!! You are too gullible. You just really want to believe it, contrary to the laws of political psychology.
Why then did Tikhanovskaya and her headquarters immediately refuse to recount the votes on the bill when they were offered it?
Because the answer is not in her favor would be obvious.

[vasek5533]

Purely mathematically, it has already been proven that the results were falsified, and the data of the official protocols were used. You do not know anything about it and have not even heard. You have written a lot about mathematics and logic here, well, ask how it was, how these absurd percentages turned out.

[Tatyana]

Quote: vasek5533

Purely mathematically, it has already been proven that the results were falsified, and the data of the official protocols were used. You do not know anything about it and have not even heard.

It seems to you that the percentages are absurd. In fact, there is nothing absurd.
Tikhanovskaya enjoyed success only in her Grodno, in which she previously lived, and in Brest in the West of Belarus and in some regions of Minsk. All!

Here is a view from Russia on the elections in Belarus a week before the elections!

Nikolai Starikov: all about the elections in Belarus, Lukashenko and Tikhanovskaya • 4 Aug. 2020


And here is a view from Russia on the elections in the Republic of Belarus AFTER THE ELECTIONS on August 19, 2020!

Nikolai Starikov: what is really happening in Belarus. Continuation. 19 August 2020

[Tatyana]

And here is a view from Russia on the elections in the Republic of Belarus AFTER THE ELECTIONS. Beginning. August 19, 2020!
What kind of mathematics are you talking about, when all the rulers in elections use administrative resources for themselves - these are the Armed Forces of the country, law enforcement agencies, the state apparatus, state employees - doctors, teachers, pensioners and employees of state enterprises. So count it already! And some kind of Tikhanovskaya there ?! Don't make me laugh!

Nikolai Starikov: what is really happening in Belarus HOME 18 2020 of August

[vasek5533]

I'm talking about numbers, you are my opinion ... You see, elections are not a unique phenomenon, but a long-studied one. When there is an array of data (for example, results from individual sites), the distribution of results is easily described by mathematical and statistical methods.
Photo is avaiable official protocols from a third of all sites. You will not argue that the results on the other sites, regardless of the names, should be the same, it's just math.
What numbers were in the protocols is a separate story, you won't even understand, well, ok, let everything be true.
Well, then purely mathematical analysis.
Well, as a result, even more than 60% of the percentages could not be drawn for one of the candidates. If we ignore the statistical anomalies in the results, then in general it turns out somewhere between 44% and 42%. Once again, this is from the photo with official protocols.
If you said, for example: “The elections are not fair, but it will be bad without Lukashenka,” well, it would be possible to discuss it, and so, everything that you describe in your posts about the terrible future, none of the Belarusians will even read to the end, because as the main thing is not this, here in the country the laws are violated by the authorities. And then you wonder why they are all zombified, because everything is so obvious. It's just that people think on a different plane.

[Tatyana]

Quote: vasek5533

There are photos of official protocols from a third of all sites. You will not argue that the results on the other sites, regardless of the names, should be the same, it's just math.

I will argue.
First of all. It is not always so. I know this very well, since I myself ran for deputies and took part in the election campaign. Your projection of the results of votes from one polling station to another is incorrect in principle! In practice, this is not the case at all. You'd better keep quiet about mathematics here, passing off wishful thinking.
Second. Where are your numbers? Who gave them to you? You generally held the protocols in your hands. or speak hearsay?
The third. Yes, only the army, law enforcement, state officials and budget structures I have listed + at least 70% of pensioners will give at least 1 million votes to Lukashenka!
And this is at 80% of the total turnout !!!

What are you talking to me about? What theory of probability are you trying to fit into with YOUR data on the allegedly outrageous number of votes from Tikhanovskaya ?!
It's not even funny anymore! You don't need to rave and you don't need to ruin your country out of stupidity!
Say thank you for Lukashenka to stay in power! Don't put pressure on his psyche! He stands for Belarus and for the people! Not like your limited social responsibility opposition ladies!

[vasek5533]

1. Your projection of the results of votes from one polling station to another is incorrect in principle! In practice, this is not the case at all. You'd better keep quiet about mathematics here, passing off wishful thinking. - this is nonsense. For two sites - no question. In our case, there are data from 1300 sites out of 5000 - this is too much. Exceptions are possible if, for example, there is an enclave on the territory of the country, such as Kosovo in Serbia, or, like in Ukraine, where there is a clear division into west and east. You are not arguing with me here, but with science, do not step on slippery ice.
2. Well, look, you did not hold the protocols in your hands, speak from hearsay that Lukashenka won ... do not contradict yourself (paragraph 2 of your message). Well, then, everyone saw the photos of the protocols, and you didn't even know that they existed) study https://news.tut.by/economics/696057.html these are only those that were published 3 hours after the elections.
3. You don't own numbers. A total of 5 818 955 people voted. Your 1 million (assuming that everyone is in favor, but it is not) is 17% of the total. Why did you decide that the army, officials and, especially, state employees and pensioners, live well here?
I'm telling you about unfair elections.

[Tatyana]

Quote: vasek5533

If you said, for example: “The elections are not fair, but it will be bad without Lukashenka,” well, it would be possible to discuss it, and so, everything that you describe in your posts about the terrible future, none of the Belarusians will even read to the end, because as the main thing is not this, here in the country the laws are violated by the authorities. And then you wonder why they are all zombified, because everything is so obvious. It's just that people think on a different plane.

Well, I put the last three videos for you for discussion. Have you watched them? Probably not.
How else to talk to you if you are not familiar with our information - with information from the other side?
You probably don't know much about Ukraine, right? You now have a collective psychosis in Belarus.
Do not listen to the pollinated provocative NEXTA! There are only provocateurs-organizers - the "priests of Gapona".

[pytar]

Well, I put the last three videos for you for discussion. Have you watched them? Probably not.
How else to talk to you if you are not familiar with our information - with information from the other side?

In fact, I watched them on YouTube before. For the difference from you, I look at information from both sides and draw my own conclusions. The conclusions are definitely not in favor of the Lukashevists.
In fact, the situation would not have reached any controversy if Lukashenka held free, open elections! It's as easy as shelling pears! This is the whole problem! Openness does not want the one whose result is a failure! Everything else blah blah blah.

You probably don't know much about Ukraine, right? You now have a collective psychosis in Belarus.

I was also interested in Ukraine. The situation was different there. By the way, I'm not from Belarus. I observe collective psychosis in the moment in the Russian Federation. Massive / des / informational impact on people, forums on VO are not an exception.

Do not listen to the pollinated provocative NEXTA! There are only provocateurs-organizers - the "priests of Gapona".

In the same vein - that one should be listened to, that one should not! To your deep regret, the censorship has been broken! And Simonyan's specialists will not be able to close the gap! You shouldn't hope ...

[Tatyana]

Actually, I wasn't talking to you.

Quote: pytar

In fact, I watched them on YouTube before.

Then brush up on these videos!

Quote: pytar

In fact, the situation would not have reached any controversy if Lukashenka held free, open elections! It's as easy as shelling pears! This is the whole problem! Openness does not want the one whose result is a failure! Everything else blah blah blah.

In scientific logic, there is the concept of "sophism" - this is either an unconscious logical error, or a deliberate cunning trick used by a person in a dispute to prove that he is right.
Simple Logical calculation.
It is noteworthy that your given statement belongs to the category of formal sophisms.
REFERENCE.
In formal logic, there is a classification of sophisms and your sophism is called "a positive conclusion from a negative premise." The essence of this sophism is as follows.
A proof that deduces a conclusion from two premises (initial concepts in reasoning to obtain logical conclusions) cannot have TWO negative prerequisites - only ONE is allowed, provided the conclusion is also NEGATIVE
In other words. The rule is this. If a POSITIVE conclusion follows from two premises, among which there is a negative one, we can immediately say that we are faced with sophism (i.e. bluff)

GIVEN. You have 2 prerequisites:
1. That Tikhanovskaya won the election against Lukashenko. Let's say this premise is POSITIVE.
2. The headquarters of Tikhanovskaya refused the proposal to recount the votes. Alas, this is a NEGATIVE premise.
Total ANSWER. Your statements about winning the election of Tikhanovskaya against Lukashenka are an elementary logical mistake, sophistry or just BLUFF!
And Simonyan has nothing to do with it!

[Incvizitor]

There would be no problems if the Cutlet went to Russia and asked the Russian Federation to help her, and for this she promised further rapprochement between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, she shoved her into a fascinating colony of a lower order, where without owners it is impossible even to sneeze, even then all those who have reason finally understood everything and made conclusions and with those who add 1 + 1 can not talk about anything.

[vasek5533]

Well, you don't study the “other side”, you just argue. You have only one point of view, yours and not correct. I know your point of view very well, and I know very well what is happening in my country. I can judge.
You see, you decided that I did not watch Starikov, but I have been watching him since the time when he did not go into politics, but went with historical lectures. And about the Maidan and the first and second I know, and I visit Ukraine, most likely, unlike you.
Only Lukashenka has psychosis. Losing the support of the population is a shock for him. It seems to you that you can organize mass protests at the snap of your fingers, but this is not so. Of course, there are nekhti and the State Department, but the basis of everything is real dissatisfaction with foreign and domestic policies, plus the clumsy actions of the authorities and outright falsification, and then torture, were superimposed. Since you took part in the elections, you understand that voting day is the result, and the process itself is long. If you are interested, then just today they wrote how it all began in the spring https://news.tut.by/economics/699281.html. I repeat once again, the only question is Lukashenka's legitimacy (there is also the issue of punishment for torture, but this is a separate issue).

[Tatyana]

If there had been no attempt at the STATE REVOROT, there would have been no Harsh measures against the maydanut demonstrators by the power structures of the state of Belarus.
The STATE is obliged to protect itself and the safety of the majority of the population from the actions of all kinds of extremists! What do you think is wrong? To admire them or what ?! Do you think about WHAT you say and advocate?

As for torture, there has been no investigation yet. And since there is no court, then there are no guilty ones. And also who gave the order is not yet known!
Lukashenka left immediately after the elections abroad when it all started.

[vasek5533]

Yeah ... and there are most of them.
Power crossed the line when the torture of the detainees began. Again. The reason for the protests is not external, but internal. First, clumsy falsifications, mass indignations, and then torture of the detainees.
Are you able to understand the difference between harsh detentions and bullying of detainees? You here are all couch experts on geopolitics and conspiracy theorists, here you have the hand of Poland, there is the State Department, but you don't want to notice the obvious.
Investigations are underway, so far those who were tortured are themselves to blame, which further adds fuel to the fire. And it is impossible to condemn the security officials, it will not even be possible to appoint scapegoats, the population will not accept this.
That is why Lukashenka will not remain in power, he simply does not have a solution, he can only pretend that nothing happened. And you at least kill yourself here, talking about external forces, coups, the economy, cite Ukraine as an example and so on. All this reasoning is on a different plane.

[Tatyana]

Quote: vasek5533

The reason for the protests is not external, but internal.

The reason for the protests (as a form of manifestation of the crisis of power) is exactly EXTERNAL, for Belarus is not isolated from the aggressive outside world!
And the protests inside the country are already a CONSEQUENCE of the policy of the countries of the external environment! R. Belarus is a part of the WHOLE - i.e. PART of the entire world system. And they are interconnected.
And in their development, they - cause and effect - constantly change places with each other, as if the answer to the question - what comes first is an egg or a chicken?

Without a detailed analysis and synthesis of both the cause and the effect of the entire crisis situation, you will not advance towards the truth. Everything must be considered as a whole.

[Tatyana]

Quote: vasek5533

... I repeat once again, the only question is Lukashenka's legitimacy (there is also the issue of punishment for torture, but this is a separate issue).

Lukashenka has legitimacy in all respects, no matter how much you want the pro-Western separatists!

[pytar]

Yes, the ROA had a Russian flag. But the Russian flag, under which Vlasov fought, was originally the sovereign IMPERIAL IMPERIAL flag of Russia, and not colonial, like the Belarusian white-red-white flag. Namely.

Well, the sovereign Russian imperial flag, copied from the Dutch. An interesting story worth reading.
The Belarusian flag "Pursuit", whatever they themselves call it, also has an interesting history. This is an internal affair of Belarusians, you are getting into it too! Because of people like you, Belarusians are beginning to look with distrust of the Russians!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

The Belarusian flag "Pursuit", whatever they themselves call it, also has an interesting history. This is an internal affair of Belarusians, you are getting into it too! Because of people like you, Belarusians are beginning to look with distrust of the Russians!

With such friends and enemies are not needed!

[pytar]

With such friends and enemies are not needed!

Well then, you and your friends are really tight! Only Lukashenka turns out to be your friend! Who else is Assad, Maduro ??? Somehow all the children are strangely similar to each other!

[Tatyana]

Quote: pytar

With such friends and enemies are not needed!

Well then, you and your friends are really tight!

Yes! The third world war is on the nose - and it is not we - not Russia - we are starting it!

[pytar]

Yes! The third world war is on the nose - and it is not we - not Russia - we are starting it!

Serious? How do you sleep if you have the third world war on your nose ?! Pancake I remembered the story of how in 49, the former US Defense Ministry, James Forrestal, jumped out of a window on the 16th floor of a military hospital shouting "The Russians are coming"! All from sleeplessness, you need to get enough sleep between battles!

[iouris]

Quote: pytar

People will test against Lukashenka, not against Russia!

Lukashenko is Russia until he proves otherwise.
I have a question: why did these people not protest after the last elections? Probably a lot of people go for money. And there are suspiciously many children in the ranks who still went to elementary school. And if you cut off cash flows, then everything will stop very soon.

[pytar]

Lukashenko is Russia until he proves otherwise.

It has repeatedly proved that he is not Russia. He has a lot of shifters! Shas became dreamy, "pro-Russian", well, until he was expelled for good!

[Rzzz]

Quote: iouris

And there are suspiciously many children in the ranks who still went to elementary school

And what's wrong with that? They have to live in this country for many years, and they want to see their country different from what old fellows do, who will die in a couple of years. And exclusively in the future they will have to clean up the garbage that the "older generation" will arrange in the country.
Moreover, they themselves understand that they will soon die, and they have no brakes or moral principles from this, they do whatever they want.

[Oden280]

Only a very stupid person or a deceitful traitor will argue that this next Maidan serves the interests of the people of Belarus.
PS Tired of the proofreaders from the admin.

[memory]

Quote: Tatiana

Especially interesting are the statements of the anti-opposition Ukrainian blogger in Belarus about the abundance of white-red-white flags.

If not for these flags of the coloordinationist times of the Nazi occupation, maybe I would have believed the protests .. But no! Thank you Tatyana, as always, you see our clever girl at the root!

[Revival]

Well, about the "coloordinationist flags of the times of the Nazi occupation" it is better not to remember and not refer ...

[Fantazer911]

Yes, these are just those youngsters who did not stand in lines, at 90, did not know that there is no such thing, everything is in crowds, in the morning at 5 o'clock to take a queue for groceries, go to work for a couple of rubles to buy bread or worn-out meat, and so on, this is the next generation to eat, they need to lie on the stove, eat and receive money, that's their concern, and the fact that parents and old people will stagger around the dump to collect containers and muculature, and this does not bother them at all, V. Nuland bought the Maidan for food, and they sell the country for 35 rubles per march, the elite!

[memory]

Quote: Fantazer911

Yes, these are just those youngsters who did not stand in lines, at 90, did not know that there is no such thing, everything is in crowds, in the morning at 5 o'clock to take a queue for groceries, go to work for a couple of rubles to buy bread or worn-out meat, and so on, this is the next generation to eat, they need to lie on the stove, eat and receive money, that's their concern, and the fact that parents and old people will stagger around the dump to collect containers and muculature, and this does not bother them at all, V. Nuland bought the Maidan for food, and they sell the country for 35 rubles per march, the elite!

It is the people who are well-fed and clearly not exhausted by work and problems, how to feed a family and live from salary to salary ... Lukashenko knows all this, what could have happened and what they want to do with the country
The reaction of the West speaks for itself, impudent and cynical! Now Russia will spread rot for supporting Belarus! But we are no strangers.

[Farid Alekperov]

90s, cookies, snickering. Would have come up with something newer or something, otherwise the same cliches) 90s were in all the CIS countries, then the bandits came into power and established their own mafia order. Yes, at first glance, everything is quiet and calm, but in fact the country does not belong to the people. People are finally tired of enduring all this. All this also applies to Russia. In fact, the events in Belarus are the desire of the Russian oligarchs to finally take over the country.

[exalibor]

Quote: figvam

Yes, most are youngsters.

what are you talking about? !!! Where do you see youngsters there ???

[SRC P-15]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

What's next? Further the weather will deteriorate.

The weather will deteriorate and the costs of riot organizers will increase! In bad weather no one will go to the streets for the same fee. And the question arises: how long will the leaders of the opposition have enough monetary support? I think the protest will blow away with the rain. It is necessary for Lukashenka to suggest an idea: with the help of aviation, cause rains over Minsk and problem cities. Let them try to strike under the downpour!

[g1v2]

This is already a preparation for the future. Now for Belarus, in fact, the Maidan in 2004. Without much blood, but this is preparation for 2014. They shake public opinion, create cells, test technologies and fighters. Again, they analyze the weaknesses of the authorities and the police.

[Karaul73]

Do you think that all 100 thousand people left for payment? Who is this rich man who is gathering these rallies? And Khabarovsk also comes out for money? Or maybe it's enough for you to play ostrich! Open your eyes and look around, not just channel 1.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Sentry73

Do you think that all 100 thousand people left for payment? Who is this rich man who is gathering these rallies?

And you don't have to pay all 100 thousand! It is enough to "thank" the most active and constant ones, who make the hype for these rallies and processions.
And on the account of money ... How much currency did Tikhanovskaya's husband find there - about a million dollars? So count how many people you can take out into the street with this amount. For the West, this is a penny and it is not known how many more such "treasurers" are on the territory of Belarus.

[Revival]

So if everyone does not need it, it means that the bulk comes out for free.
But she is naturally stupid, incapacitated, etc., right?

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Revival

So if everyone does not need it, it means that the bulk comes out for free.

I would say not the bulk, but stupid! These yes, they come out for free, because their curators do not consider it necessary to pay them - but why? They already feel good!

[Revival]

Well, in general, this is the answer I suggested in my comment ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Revival

Well, in general, this is the answer I suggested in my comment ...

You didn’t understand me: I didn’t say that the bulk is stupid, I said that the stupid part of the protesters doesn’t get money! And the main part of it or not is up to you!

[Revival]

Listen to Hamlo, a few of his videos were enough for me, I no longer watch ...
Well, as I said, if not yours, then immediately a stupid herd ...
Everything is clear until ..
Let's not waste time ... for a dummy

[Fantazer911]

If this 100 even pay 000 rubles each, then it is not a very large amount, especially if the sponsors, Poland and Lithuania, and the amount in US dollars is somewhere around $ 35 and not everyone was paid, many went for a drink and for a lot of pot the curators kept some of this money for themselves, and the West pours over a million dollars into a coup

[Arthur73]

In Belarus, there are enough duped by Western propaganda. As in Khabarovsk. Fortunately, in the Far East, the number of duped people does not exceed the statistical error. The climate here is harsh enough to live normally, you have to work and not jump around gatherings of protestors. They tried to rock Blagoveshchensk. more than two hundred thousand city came out several times from the force of a couple of hundred incomprehensible bodies. The organizers understood that Blagos were not waiting for them and stopped collecting their "feeding pigeons". I hear the same from friends from Khabarovsk. Adequate people pass by these protestors.

[Revival]

And what kind of Western propaganda in Khabarovsk?
Otherwise, the protest against the pension reform will soon become Western propaganda ...

[Oden280]

In Khabarovsk, both for money and under the threat of losing his job. Well, plus all sorts of maydanutye. There, the number of homeless drunks will soon make up the main crowd.

[andrew42]

Karaul75, there is a simple answer to your question from recent Russian history: in the 90s in Russia at least 20 million people played thimbles at least once :)

[Fantazer911]

Organizers were paid 700 rubles for an average of $ 260, and ladies with flowers for 35 rubles for an average of $ 13-15, they sell the country

[tandem]

speak so confidently. Did you pay?

[Fantazer911]

Friends said, I don't have that kind of money, but what are you?, For what purpose are you interested?
Less for the truth, do you want to sell the country?

[tandem]

that is, did acquaintances pay?
for what truth?

[Fantazer911]

They said and paid different things!

[Fantazer911]

And the truth is that, you probably are not in vain here minus, those who do not agree with your policy, live neutral!

[Tatyana]

Along with white-red-white flags, of which there were a lot, several people brought the rainbow flags of the LGBT community.

The presence of rainbow flags in the hands of the Belarusian opposition is very indicative in order to understand what democratic priorities the anti-Lukashenka, pro-European, pro-Western opposition has.

LGBT people have always in history, on the hump of popular discontent, one way or another openly squeezed into the future power in the country under the law of "Overton windows".

By the way, the daughter of the defendant, now Mikhail Efremov, yesterday in Minsk, during a live broadcast of the demonstration, happily kissed such an LGBT person with a welcoming flag. It seems that she was on drugs. She was identified by journalists and noticed at the same time that she, apparently, did not give a damn about her daddy.

[Revival]

She didn’t hide it like that about daddy)

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Revival

she doesn't give a damn about daddy, apparently

She kind of didn’t hide about her daddy

High ... high relationship.

[mikh-korsakov]

Flavius ​​Vespasianovich! Well, where do we need to understand this tolerance. I heard one business advice from Norkin. Do not serve dessert to gays at a wedding - so as not to stick together.

[vasek5533]

And what does the presence of Russian flags in the hands of the protesters indicate?
Everyone sees what he wants, but if at least one EU flag appears, will an orgasm happen? despite the presence of 100 Belarusian, 10 Russian and other flags nearby.

[Revival]

That is, you saw 1 flag in a huge crowd and all the diagnosis?
So there the Russian flag was in the crowd, is that also a traitor?
Or are we turning on double standards at full capacity?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Revival

+1
This is a farce!

Take a closer look at the top photo, below are three guys in the center, clearly not of Slavic origin, and some faces in "hijab".

[memory]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Revival

+1
This is a farce!

Take a closer look at the top photo, below are three guys in the center, clearly not of Slavic origin, and some faces in "hijab".

Vlad is a putsch and the preparation feels serious .. For three years Old Man was kicked on all sites and then by the way .. This is the result, but pro and a lot of onlookers go out to protests. That's the problem!

[Arlen]

Quote: Revival

This is a farce!

The entire protest movement in Belarus is one continuous farce.

[Pereira]

As well as Maidan in Ukraine. A complete farce.

[Incvizitor]

They don't even know what they are marrying for.

[memory]

Quote: Incvizitor

They don't even know what they are marrying for.

Party and fun .. Remember here on the marsh with these white ribbons ..)))) They are tired of roaming nightclubs and brothels, so all the office plankton came out like "creative" .. Yes, you can also earn money by promoting in social networks .etc.

[Incvizitor]

It’s probably boring to do something useful for them, and adventures on the opu seem fun.

[Uncle lee]

what was happening was like a carnival

Carnival of fools ...

[Vend]

Quote: Uncle Lee

what was happening was like a carnival

Carnival of fools ...

Don't tell me, they jogged, got the money and went away. It has long been known that if there are protests somewhere, then someone pays for it

[Campanella]

There are enough free fools!

[saigon]

That’s not funny, the picture goes, they protest little by little, and if you listen to the Ukrainians bloggers, then victory is no longer beyond the swamp.
Yes, and some of ours are completely delighted and their caps are already flying into space.
But in fact, a good outcome for Russia is not visible, the submachine gunner is again starting to talk about many vectors and friendships, pepper is not reliable, and there is nothing to change for.
All this does not dispose to fun at all.

[Arthur73]

I know one such person, he has been throwing his caps for several years ... He will come to work, shaking with a hangover, life has failed, the bosses do not give a hangover, but they are constantly aware of how and whom the Kremlin has punished. drying out :)))

[memory]

Quote: Wend

Quote: Uncle Lee

what was happening was like a carnival

Carnival of fools ...

Don't tell me, they jogged, got the money and went away. It has long been known that if there are protests somewhere, then someone pays for it

That is how Anatoly, these huge flags, then hanging out at your own expense is expensive .. The money is flowing! Many have quit their jobs, I would like to check those ..

Quote: Arthur73

I know one such person, he has been throwing his caps for several years ... He will come to work, shaking with a hangover, life has failed, the bosses do not give a hangover, but they are constantly aware of how and whom the Kremlin has punished. drying out :))

I'm just talking about these "professional" whiners .. And there are still many young people who have been given so much that they have to hunch back for a year at an honest job, and even treat them to cunning tea ...

[Campanella]

Not that word, a meeting of Belarusian teenagers! The guys are bored to live, they came to hang out.
Everything would be fine, only youthful maximalism of this kind usually ends in tragedy, as well as the political games of "mature" politicians.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Campanella

Not that word, a meeting of Belarusian teenagers! The guys are bored to live, they came to hang out.

When the government is either weak or does not want to protect, then this is all too often. Here's a look at the shots from the states of Uncle Sam, and how they differ from Belarus, what's the difference?

[Campanella]

The fact that Belarus gets started outside, and in the states get together.
I can imagine what the situation would look like if a black protest was coordinated by a couple of portals, say from Cuba.)))

[memory]

Quote: Campanella

The fact that Belarus gets started outside, and in the states get together.
I can imagine what the situation would look like if a black protest was coordinated by a couple of portals, say from Cuba.)))

Already they are trying to throw such accusations .. And I think there is a redistribution of the world from financial tycoons. Soon they will get to Russia, while we hold on!

[Campanella]

Yeah.)))
We are woe to all the workers, we will tear the world apart!
This is their answer to- We will inflame a world fire on all the bourgeoisie!

[memory]

Quote: Campanella

Not that word, a meeting of Belarusian teenagers! The guys are bored to live, they came to hang out.
Everything would be fine, only youthful maximalism of this kind usually ends in tragedy, as well as the political games of "mature" politicians.

Good comment, I agree with you .. We old have something to compare .. And to be sad, too, were so and now I am ashamed of EVERYTHING! Bastards cheated, but all is not lost yet

[Campanella]

Yes, I remember Elkin listened with open mouth .. But in fact Gorbach threw us into his arms.
The trouble for Russia is the elite, which never was.
I remember Andropov, the ward was also crazy, he was driving the people .... In general, I think that only Stalin had a strategic vision, the rest of the room served as best they could.

[mikh-korsakov]

Vladimir! No-e it is students and declassed to earn money. And those who are older are just for show-off, to tell their friends at work on Monday. Yesterday I protested - and you know the riot police are such scoundrels who did not even pay attention to my Polish blouse ... And there will be other people who will envy her. It is not for nothing that the photographs of the demonstrations show more of either youths or aunts with flowers.

[Asad]

I do not support all this fuss in Belarus, but about the humane and self-possessed police, too much, especially in the first days after the elections.

[Revival]

Yes, this is the funniest phrase from the article)

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Revival

Yes, this is the funniest phrase from the article)

Funny talking?
Watch the first 8 minutes and then laugh.
Laugh until you completely lose your conscience.

However, those. whoever had triple fractures as a result of special raids amused conscience and was not.

[Revival]

Well, I looked and that, a person is pushing only his own version, I can cite dozens of videos with opposite information.
Worry about your conscience, even at work

[pytar]

Belarus is one of the most police states in the world! According to Vicki, she is number 5 in the world! All the rest are in the top ten, these are specific mini-states.

Wiki numbers like 924/100 thousand. the population probably does not include riot police and other special forces of the internal troops. So, according to the UN, by 2019, a monstrous number of police officers were concentrated in the republic. In terms of 100 thousand Belarusians, there are 1442 law enforcement officers. For example: in Russia there are 508 police officers per hundred thousand, and in the USA - 256.
Of course, you can argue over the numbers, but still they are much higher than the world average!
And here the question naturally arises - why does Lukashenka have so many security officials, if 80% of the people are for him?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: pytar

Of course, you can argue over the numbers, but still they are much higher than the world average! And here the question naturally arises - why does Lukashenka have so many security officials, if 80% of the people are for him?

After comparing the given figures, compare what is happening in Belarus with that. what is happening in the USA.
By the number of people killed in riots, by the number of houses and cars burned down, by the number of ruined businesses.

[pytar]

After comparing the given figures, compare what is happening in Belarus with that. what is happening in the USA. By the number of people killed in riots, by the number of houses and cars burned down, by the number of ruined businesses.

Well, yes, but if we put 2 policemen for each citizen, then in general there will be eternal peace and endless adoration of the Great Kim Chen Luk! But the economy of Belarus will not be able to pull ... In essence, the presence of such a large number of siloviki is precisely the weak point of Lukashenka's dictatorship! With the deteriorating economic situation, he will not be able to feed them all!
The whole essence of the confrontation in one photo:

Left People, right Orcs!

[Adam Khomich]

Quote: ASAD

about humane and restrained police, too much, especially in the first days after the elections.

That's for sure. I like the humanism and self-control of the French and German police more. In the stronghold of democracy, the United States is so sustained that those who run away in front of children are democratically shot in the back, put bags on the head, or just with an elbow, like chickens are strangled. This is what I understand humanism. Yesterday, a redhead squeaked to the camera "give us back the boys", with a smirk she enlightened the Western media about how they were brutally dispersed and detained by riot police. They do not need riot police, but SWAT.

[Revival]

Well, since you like this "humanism" more, I hope you will try it on yourself, and that and this one for a more objective analysis

[tihonmarine]

Quote: adam khomich

I like the humanism and self-control of the police in France and Germany more.

And I love the consistency and humanism of China in Tiananmen Square.

[Farid Alekperov]

an impudent lie. It is one thing to detain those who smash shop windows on the street, it is quite another thing to humiliate and torture in prisons, where they brought up heaps of random people, including women.

[Quadro]

Quote: Farid Alekperov

an impudent lie. It is one thing to detain those who smash shop windows on the street, it is quite another thing to humiliate and torture in prisons, where they brought up heaps of random people, including women.

Come on Evryuga still tell the children they were still driven and tortured, proofs zero, a dull and julky attempt to get emotional. On the dull-headed can and ride.

[Farid Alekperov]

your brothers have one answer to any evidence: "you are lying!"

[Adam Khomich]

"Come out! Come out"!
Released.
"Go away! Go away!"
Gone. Riot police came instead :-)

[Arlen]

Quote: adam khomich

Riot police came instead

And the "mood" of the protestors immediately soured

[NDR-791]

Their mood soured in a strange way: yesterday there were calls for the organization of self-defense forces for demonstrations. I think that the corpses are not long left. They are gaining another underground hundred. And after all, they will recruit, there are a lot of brainless scumbags. And the Lithuanian snipers will shoot them, the Georgian ones have already been exposed, they will not sign a second time.

[NEXUS]

several people brought the rainbow flags of the LGBT community.

By vocation or by life for the whole ass purple?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: NEXUS

By vocation or by life

This is a vocation in life ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NEXUS

By vocation or by life for the whole ass purple?

It all depends on how much and what they pay for.

[NEXUS]

Quote: tihonmarine

It all depends on how much and what they pay for.

And what, for the ideas of civilized capitalism free of charge, in the ass does not passability happen?

[Igor Litvin]

I was still waiting for the provocateurs with Shukhevych and Bandera to appear - well, how else to intrigue Russian viewers. Well, finally, LGBT people appeared in the amount of 1 per 100 thousand protesters. Now their photos will already be replicated and will let down the ideological base.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Igor Litvin

I was still waiting for the provocateurs with Shukhevych and Bandera to appear - well, how else to intrigue Russian viewers. Well, finally, LGBT people appeared in the amount of 1 per 100 thousand protesters. Now their photos will already be replicated and will let down the ideological base.

And out of 100 thousand people who gathered, there were not even a dozen men who did not want to join the crowd of LGBT flags, which these same flags would have been torn off from “LGBT representatives” and put into some more suitable place? Well, it means there is a way for them to act with the whole crowd under these flags. I don’t know how anyone, but in my eyes these "protesters" have just crashed qualitatively to the "blue" level ...

[Revival]

Totally agree with you.
If this is a right location for a picture, then all the more they should have figured out what was going on and quickly removed these from the LGBT, but now, if there is a right location, then it was a success

[Arlen]

Quote: oleg123219307

in my eyes, these "protesters" have just crashed qualitatively to the "blue" level ...

Pro-Western protestors have always been at this level.

[Incvizitor]

Better LGBT than fascist red and white rags.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Igor Litvin

Well, finally, LGBT people appeared in the amount of 1 per 100 thousand protesters.

and the better the so-called. flags "Used female pad " in hundreds of copies in the vicinity of the LGBT flags in the same place?

He won't peck out his own eye ...

[Slon_on]

Well, why are you talking about the flag of the policemen - the gasket. Pathosny will be - "monthly Rognedy"

[rocket757]

The show will continue!
In principle, a good reminder to the "crucian" that he will not be able to fall asleep calmly now!
It’s right now that there’s no really big pike in this pond, but it’s NOT YET!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

The show will continue!

Of course it will, because people who need to feed children will not jump across the square with rags around their necks. These are either students or homeless people, as well as a lot of women.

[rocket757]

So it doesn't matter who makes the big mess. The main thing is the end result.

[Adam Khomich]

Quote: tihonmarine

people who need to feed children will not jump across the square with rags around their necks.

https://youtu.be/PE_rcZu79H0

[Reptiloid]

Greetings, Victor! yes, the pike has not yet identified itself! Tihanovskaya in Lithuania, Kolesnikova in Germany .... Aleksievich is also not a pike ..... No pike at all! There is no program. What do they want ---- parties or something. Carnival in different costumes?
But --- the rosy ones along with the white-red-white collaborators --- it made it all clear.

[rocket757]

Hi Dmitry
Root, all the same, what is NOT YET ...
Serious guys who know how to grow or toss such a pike have a little time. They have enough of their own worries. But this is not forever.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... Serious guys who know how to grow or toss such a pike have no time. ...... But this is not forever.

maybe grown, but something went wrong ...
But they won't give up on it.

[rocket757]

Serious guys, seriously, haven’t joined that circus ... yet.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Reptiloid

Aleksievich is not a pike either ..... Not a pike!

Shelespers and minnows.

[Nestor]

Kolesnikova in Minsk, they write that she was kidnapped

[Reptiloid]

They say she is a German citizen and is she there?

[Nestor]

Today on the oppo TGK they write: - disappeared in the center of Minsk and does not get in touch
At the expense of citizenship, without a clue, maybe true, maybe a "duck" for discrediting

[tatra]

, and what exactly do they want? Just for Lukashenka to leave, and then what? Whom and what do they want to impose on Belarus and its people?

[Roman070280]

Do not impose, but choose ..

[tatra]

So WHOM to choose then? They do not care about the CHOICE of those who voted for Lukashenka.

[Roman070280]

Lukashenka is imposing himself on them ..

[tatra]

Which is what was required to be proved. Those who rage against Lukashenka do not have their own concrete and BEST alternative for Belarus and its people to Lukashenka.

[Arlen]

Quote: Roman070280

Do not impose, but choose ..

The people made their choice by voting for Lukashenka. And the choice of the people should be respected.

[Revival]

Moreover, as much as 80%, although of course it is clear that the opposition was stuffing and rigging, and in fact, Lukashenka had 98%

[Arlen]

Have you personally witnessed the rigging? Or from the words of a friend who has a friend who ... in general, the information came to you after 33 "times".

[Roman070280]

The protesters know personally who they voted for ..
In general, the topic is slippery, of course .. you can sit like Robert Mugabe for tens of years, citing that the people chose him .. and that no one personally saw the fraud ..

Efremov also tried to do it like that .. they say, no one personally saw anything .. they saw only after the accident, how he got out .. well, you never know .. How did you knock it down? this is..

[Arlen]

Quote: Roman070280

The protesters know personally who they voted for ..

You forget that they are a minority.

Quote: Roman070280

In general, the topic is slippery, of course

Not at all.

Quote: Roman070280

can you like Robert Mugabe

Can. Or you can lie that the people are against and with a handful of protestors to seize power.

Quote: Roman070280

Efremov

There is evidence of his guilt. Where is the evidence of election fraud in Belarus?

Quote: Roman070280

In general - blah-blah-blah all this

You described well the protest movement in Belarus.

[Roman070280]

You forget that they are a minority.

He is more against Luka than in support of him.

can you like Robert Mugabe

One can

But others did not want this at home .. Therefore, they went against it ..

There is evidence of his guilt.

I wrote in Russian - the topic is slippery .. It depends on what to call evidence .. How he was driving while driving and knocked down no one personally saw ..
And with regards to the evidence of falsification - while the conditional "Mugabe" is in power - this evidence will not be shown to anyone .. But now it is not a secret for anyone - that Mugabe was holding power by force .. Although he said before that, approximately like you, that all the protests it's blah blah ..))

[Revival]

Oh, how you are drowning for the opposition, unexpected from you!

[Arlen]

Quote: Revival

Oh, how you are drowning for the opposition, unexpected from you!

What kind of opposition? For the pro western protestors? I am a supporter of the PKWP-PKK and have not changed my views, like some, I will not say their names, on the site. With many on the site, I got a bobble. I thought they were supporters of the communists, but it turned out they were just pro-Westerners. By the way, I thought you were a communist ...

[Revival]

I am against aligarchy and for objective justice.
I am for the absence of hypocrisy.
If you do not want to concession, so say my right is someone who can dispute, but kick it on yourself. That's how fair it is.
I am opposed to holding something by force, but to say that everything is democratic!
Threw away democracy, your right, but do not say that it is democracy!
So I am in favor of a direct position, and whether it is good or bad is the second question.
P.S.
A communist is probably too loud for me, I haven't studied telria, the socialist is probably closer.
In general, the Stalinist approach to the development of the state for the people is closest to me.

[tandem]

in the sense of planting spikelets? then you with a bow along the way

[Revival]

About excesses, and I can pick out individual pieces for you, even in the USA, anywhere else.
And the main phrase was this one: "development of the state for the people", it is a pity that it eluded you, I hope not intentionally

[tandem]

there was nothing for the people. There was a general line.
My friend's father served time for a piece of rope. Front-line soldier. War veteran. Broken-down, already on the collective farm could not work, there was no health. Fortunately, he graduated from 7 classes before the war. Supplied by the seller in the general store. He gave a piece of rope to the collective farm without money. There was no money on the collective farm. The audit revealed a shortage. He sat down.

[Incvizitor]

There are communists and there are supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and Grudinin different and this is completely different, in no case can it be equated.

[Arthur73]

They call it "highlikli". We haven't seen it ourselves, but we are sure of it. And why are we sure, because it is written in the manuals! And Western propaganda confirms this.

[Roman070280]

If he respected the choice of the people, he would not draw 80% for himself .. It's all simple and obvious ..

[Arlen]

Now I will ask you: Did you yourself see that he painted 80%? Or, again, someone, somewhere, etc.

[Roman070280]

I already answered you above ..

[vasek5533]

How is it yourself? Run through all the sites in person and collect information? "Or, again, someone, somewhere, etc." - you won't believe it, but yes. And what they did, and where, and all violations are documented and counted. That is why the people are protesting, study the issue, not the articles about how Lukashenka got 80%, and not even articles, how he got 10%, but how the voting took place, how the counting proceeded, photos of official protocols, you will learn a lot of interesting things.

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: vasek5533

you will learn a lot of interesting things.

It is not a tsarist business to study proof, he will answer that everything is bought by the West or forged by it and will be extremely pleased with this answer.

[Arlen]

You'd better know what was bought by the West and for how much or not ...

[Arlen]

Quote: vasek5533

And what they did, and where, and all violations are documented and counted

Documents or links to them as they say in the studio. Let's see what kind of fakes are.

[A.TOR]

Here is the detail of the electoral moments

[tandem]

but personally have you seen that you are so worried about the bow?

[vasek5533]

This is what they demand from him, to respect the choice of the people and to leave peacefully.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Roman070280

Do not impose, but choose ..

Isn't it the same thing.

[Incvizitor]

Among whom to choose? Like a 404 clown? There are no sane candidates.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Incvizitor

There are no sane candidates.

You can even agree, but only for one person.

[Mishanya 74]

Then they will choose another president.
Because to have such a president as Lukashenko after all the recent events, it should be a shame even ...

[tatra]

So WHOM to choose from among those raging against Lukashenka? Or it doesn't matter, at least someone, just to arrange a coup d'etat, and then, as always with the enemies of the communists, do not care what will happen to the country and the people? Coups d'etat by the enemies of the communists are of two types - when they specifically impose someone on the country and the people - like Yeltsin, Yushchenko, Saakashvili, whom they themselves later recognized as bad leaders of their country, and when they do not impose anyone specifically - as it was on the Maidan -2014 , and then they themselves recognize as bad those who become the leaders of their country after the coup - as was the case with Turchinov and Poroshenko.

[Arlen]

Pro-Western protestors do not care what will happen to the country and people. They don't think about the future.

[Arlen]

Quote: pro100y.belarus

Don't worry so much about OUR future

I'm not worried about your future. I empathize with the citizens of Belarus who do not want to see their country pro-Western. Such protesters, Westernizers, will come to power and destroy everything, they will also arrange a civil war. We have already gone through this.

Quote: pro100y.belarus

Worry about yours.

I shouldn't worry about mine. We'll be fine. But the protestors have only one future, to work for the gentry for a handout.

[Incvizitor]

But they think about their own skin, obviously with the destruction of the country they will receive their share.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tatra

How to choose WHOM from those raging against Lukashenka?

And nobody seems to think about it.

[Roman070280]

So WHOM to choose from among those raging against Lukashenka?

Yes, they themselves will figure it out somehow ..
There will be no Lukashenka - there will be those from whom you can choose ..
Otherwise, there will be a vicious circle, just like here - while Putin is sitting - there is no one else to choose from.

Shl .. by the way .. when Putin wanted - the people even "chose" Medvedev ..
And now everyone is yelling again that there is no one to choose but Putin ...
So Medvedev seems to be still alive ..))

[tatra]

Here, again, "someone" from the raging against Lukashenka will be elected, and do not care what will happen to the country and the people later.

[Roman070280]

Is Lukashenka anointed of God or what ?? The same "somehow" ..
And what does it mean - to spit ?? Who cares ?? Then we really need New Zealand to elect a president? Otherwise, we will elect Putin again, and do not care what will happen to the country ..

[Mishanya 74]

This is the business of the Belarusians .. Who will be chosen will be 4 years old .. Not like another ..

[tatra]

Try to think like normal
a sane person. In Belarus, one part is for Lukashenko, the other is against him, but this part could not offer anyone better than Lukashenko to Belarus and its people many months before the elections, and now. Therefore, everything will be like in Ukraine, where the maydanuts imposed Turchinov - and it became worse for the country and the people, then Poroshenko - and it got worse, then Zelensky - and nothing was better than it was under Yanukovych. Do you wish this to Belarus and the Belarusian people?

[Mishanya 74]

*** What this part could not offer Lukashenko to Belarus and its people many months before the elections, and now. ***
And who could those Lukashenka jail, right?

[Nestor]

Clarification, "Bloody Pastor" was the second person in the state
Poroshenko was chosen by oligarchs at a "gathering" in Vienna
Zelensky was chosen by the people, because most were not satisfied with Poroshenko's policy

[vasek5533]

The funny thing for Russia is that you won't have any alliance with Lukashenka, about which he shouted the entire election campaign, and even arrested your own citizens. And now, when it could have been removed for this, you kept him in power, instead of building an alliance with the new president. well, let's continue to see how he wipes his feet on you)

[Incvizitor]

Wow, Belarusians, the leader of the protest in the Baltic region is ruled by psheks, and the Belarusians are no longer needed ...
Now it is not alliances that are important, but RB to preserve and prevent metastases of the world western tumor there.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mishanya74

Because to have a president like Lukashenka after all the latest events should be ashamed

Well, roughly as in / in Ukraine, after Gunpowder it was a shame to have such a president and Zelya was popularly elected. It became straight to the thrill. Sorry if offended by something.

[Mishanya 74]

Well then, let's like in Africa ..
We will choose a leader and we will prostrate ourselves around him and kiss his feet

[Campanella]

Yes, Lukashenka should have held elections in a sultry November! The demonstrations would become more expensive in every sense, and the cold cools hot heads faster!
And now a freebie, the sun, it's warm, walking in a crowd is just a thrill.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Campanella

Yes, Lukashenka should have held elections in a sultry November!

And January and February, too, would do. Father lost his scent.

[Campanella]

I think that he did not expect such a turn. Again, a question to the special services, did the analytical service really give a favorable forecast? I still have a feeling that Lukashenka is being led by the nose by the close moles from the fifth column.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

The only task of the Belarusian militia at present is to suppress the actions of individual hooligan elements. And so, they go on weekends, to rallies for a while, carnival, and calm down ...

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

The only task of the Belarusian militia at present is to suppress the actions of individual hooligan elements.

And the actions of the head of GUBOPiK will be stopped?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KfX1eDW_io&feature=emb_title

Or the actions of masked bandits kidnapping and beating people? Or maybe they will initiate criminal proceedings against the militants who tortured and killed people?

[Revival]

The fact that Lukashenka is holding power by force is clear, but by taking off their sneakers the protesters are trying to achieve what?
They won't achieve anything this way

[Mishanya 74]

Well, in theory, Luka's entourage should get together and say- * don't tempt fate, Grigorich. Announce new elections without yourself and lay down powers *

[Nestor]

Yes, even with yourself, but under the supervision of representatives of all candidates in election commissions, equal access to the media, etc., so that there are no questions about the integrity of elections

[Revival]

In theory, Lukashenka's entourage should strongly encourage this to do so.
The removed slippers are not a strong means of encouraging thinking about such

[Mishanya 74]

Well, this is all that should push ..
They understand that the attitude will not be better.
to Luka ... and to them too

[Prisoner]

Before the exams, they'll be bummed, they'll eat up the supplies and start collecting stones. What is really there.

[Revival]

If the protesters were not fools, they would have been, then they should have urgently pressed the LGBT like lawyers, but ...

[Sklendarka]

Quote: Revival

If the protesters were not fools, they would have been, then they should have urgently pressed the LGBT like lawyers, but ...

These?

[Revival]

I do not sort lgbt

[tralflot1832]

Revolutions and coups are made quickly, but here the time is lost by the protestors. The Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs said that his subordinates would not break the oath of allegiance to the legally elected President. So this burden will be strangled over time. How many are there 100, and how many Belarusians are there? So let them complain to European sport lotto. And we'll see.

[tatra]

Well, the Maidan of 2013-2014 went on for several months. And then bam, the puppeteers of the Maydanuts shot their hundred puppets, and that's it, they immediately got what they wanted.

[tralflot1832]

The fun in Ukraine happened because of Yanik. He lost consciousness from thrown chicken eggs at him. Father has steel Fabergés. Staged footage with a machine gun, they say they were attacked.

[Incvizitor]

There would be steel, would have dispersed this rat's nest long ago.

[fn34440]

"Well, the Maidan of 2013-2014 went on for several months. And then bam, the puppeteers of the maydanuts shot a hundred of their puppets, and everything, immediately got what they wanted." [I] [/ i] This time MI6 and the NSA decided ignite the wick through the poisoning of the blogger Navalny with 2% presidential ambitions.
But in Minsk they can stir up a provocation.

[Rokambol]

Quote: tralflot1832

How many are there 100

I think much less.
I'm wondering if those who go to the protests are unemployed? Don't they need to go to work? And their families as such idlers tolerate?

[Incvizitor]

There is such a YouTube channel "lion against" about all sorts of Moscow drunks, marginal people and idlers, and in Belarus there are enough of them, there is nothing to do, they climb out of boredom and drunk.

[vasek5533]

This you correctly noted, about Lukashenka's oath, not the state. 100 is a figure, whatever one may say, that there are problems and they must be solved, and not pretend that everything will pass by itself.

[Avior]

The Belarusians are simply touchingly naive.
By the way, those who jumped into the water were pulled out by rescuers and dropped off at the rescue station.
The entire staff of the rescue station - 6 people - the police then arrested

[APASUS]

On the first video there is a poster (we can do it), for whom was it written? Everything is simple, report to the customer! To knock on his hands, this idiot ..................

[Keyser soze]

the first video is a poster (we can do it) for whom is it written?

We can do it poster, created in 1943 for Westinghouse Electric workers to increase their morale and confidence in victory in World War II.

[APASUS]

Quote: Keyser Soze

We can do it poster, created in 1943 for Westinghouse Electric workers,

Is it Belarus or is it written in Belarusian? The customer requires a report on the work done

[Keyser soze]

Is it Belarus or is it written in Belarusian? The customer requires a report on the work done

Client for poster Westinghouse Electric. I didn't understand what kind of report they needed. And the poster itself decades ago became an icon, a symbol of the struggle against something, no matter what it is.

I personally use this poster on my website as a symbol that my company can handle every challenge. There is nothing secret in this poster.

[APASUS]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Client for poster Westinghouse Electric. I didn't understand what kind of report they needed. And the poster itself decades ago became an icon, a symbol of the struggle against something, no matter what it is.

I personally use this poster on my website as a symbol that my company can handle every challenge. There is nothing secret in this poster.

I understand that you are from Bulgaria?
Why are posters in English used at protests in Belarus? After all, the West presents this as protests against Lukashenka? That is, this is an internal matter or a picture for the media may be needed, but it will be difficult to explain to an average person in the West, if it is written in Belarusian there.

[Keyser soze]

I understand that you are from Bulgaria?
Why are posters in English used at protests in Belarus?

Ladies, I'm from Bulgaria. Yes, protests all over the world write in different languages. This poster, as already explained to you, is used as a symbol of mobilization for victory. It cannot be translated into another language.

, but it will be difficult to explain to the layman in the West, all this if it is written in Belarusian

No - all over the world, when you see this woman and everyone has a clear message. And without an inscription :))) This is a very, very popular poster. Google his history.

That is, this is an internal matter or you may need a picture for the media

Yes, a picture is always needed for the media. I follow our press and the Western about the protests in Belarus, but the pictures of the mass demonstrations speak for themselves. But there is no connection to the posters ... in recent years, aerial and ground videos are much more important and provide more detail than pictures.

Have a nice day

[APASUS]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Yes, a picture is always needed for the media. I follow our press and the Western about the protests in Belarus, but the pictures of the mass demonstrations speak for themselves. But there is no connection to the posters ... in recent years, aerial and ground videos are much more important and provide more detail than pictures.

If you watch and analyze what is happening, then you should quite notice the same scenarios for the development of revolutions, like a carbon copy. One requirements, one symbols, the same events. There are no victims in Belarus yet, but there will be, I am sure, otherwise all will stall.

Quote: Keyser Soze

Have a nice day

Have a nice day too!

[Oleg Olkha]

This poster has long been a "meme" and is understandable to the last two generations of Belarusians (and in the world too ...) who apparently are not satisfied with only "a cup and a crackling". https://www.newsru.co.il/photo/08mar2013/idf_women.html

[tralflot1832]

On the bottom of the dirty smelly sweaty negro does his delo.Kak there now: the life of the Negro is taking place.

[Nestor]

You can visually see that the number of protesters has increased
The so-called "titushki" appeared on the part of the authorities
On the part of the opposition, there are calls to create self-defense, to tear off the masks, to identify "the security officials.
Radicalization is on the rise

[gatamelata]

Everything develops according to a typical scenario. But the outcome may be different. From Mugabe-Nazarbay to Yanukovych, and maybe to repeat Ceausescu.

[Nestor]

I agree with you. The next stage of "provocation" against the opposition, such as abductions and torture
For a peaceful settlement, Luka needs to go to dialogue and agree to re-elections, let the Belarusians decide themselves who is worthy and who is not.
Otherwise it will be Oh.

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: Nestor

The next stage of "provocation" against the opposition, such as kidnapping and torture

As if for a long time. They are kidnapped, threatened, taken out of the country straight from Akrestsin Street. More kidnappings today. There is nothing to say about torture and murder.

[loha]

There are ten thousand. Did not have.

[fn34440]

In the center of the crowd of youngsters zombified by the Internet, there is a black Afro-Belarusian Belarusian.
Sounds and looks like an anecdote: Black BELORUS.
Ridiculous, except for the heightened predatory appetite of the newly emerging Commonwealth. And this is where everything goes.
It's time to summon the ambassador of Poland to the carpet and insert a hot piston for him for impudent interference in the internal affairs of our union state

[7,62x54]

Previously, they boasted many hundreds of thousands of crowds. This time there is nothing to boast about. Attendance falls. Probably out of cookies, and no one will pay wages for absenteeism.

[Anton S]

Quote: tatra

So WHOM to choose then? They do not care about the CHOICE of those who voted for Lukashenka.

How many voted for him?

[Rokambol]

Quote: Anton S

How many voted for him?

Most. 80% of those who came to vote.

[Anton S]

Quote: Rocumball

Quote: Anton S

How many voted for him?

Most. 80% of those who came to vote.

Do you really believe in these numbers? People in Belarus have long known how their votes count

[Rokambol]

Quote: Anton S

do you really believe in these numbers?

Prove otherwise. Or do you have only words of facts and nothing more?

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: Rocumball

Prove otherwise. Or do you have only words of facts and nothing more?

There is a lot of evidence. Only those who do not want to see them (like you) will still not attach importance to them.
Sense of trying to prove something to you? Dozens of times here was laid out and always "this falshchyuka from Poland" or ignore.

[Anton S]

Quote: tralflot1832

Revolutions and coups are made quickly, but here the time is lost by the protestors. The Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs said that his subordinates would not break the oath of allegiance to the legally elected President. So this burden will be strangled over time. How many are there 100, and how many Belarusians are there? So let them complain to European sport lotto. And we'll see.

Legally elected by whom, by the people or by the CEC?

[Rokambol]

Lukashenko is the legally elected president. The people of the Republic of Belarus have chosen their president.

[Anton S]

Quote: Rocumball

Lukashenko is the legally elected president. The people of the Republic of Belarus have chosen their president.

He simply drew for himself these 80%. In those areas where the votes were really counted, he lost several times to another candidate. In Belarus, there are almost no naive people who believe in the percentages he painted.

[Rokambol]

Quote: Anton S

He just drew himself that 80%.

Have you seen how he painted?

Quote: Anton S

In Belarus, there are almost no such naive people who believe in the percentages drawn by him.

Again words. Where are the facts?

[vasek5533]

Yes, only this president has a different surname, that's why the former freaks out.

[Igor Litvin]

Quote: Anton S

Quote: tatra

So WHOM to choose then? They do not care about the CHOICE of those who voted for Lukashenka.

How many voted for him?

something about 25%, in Minsk - less, in the countryside - more.

[Anton S]

Quote: Rocumball

Quote: Anton S

do you really believe in these numbers?

Prove otherwise. Or do you have only words of facts and nothing more?

And your facts are the results of a tame CEC, whose head declares that she is Lukashenka's man?

[Anton S]

Quote: Rocumball

Quote: Anton S

He just drew himself that 80%.

Have you seen how he painted?

Quote: Anton S

In Belarus, there are almost no such naive people who believe in the percentages drawn by him.

Again words. Where are the facts?

Are your facts the results of the CEC?

[Anton S]

Quote: Igor Litvin

Quote: Anton S

Quote: tatra

So WHOM to choose then? They do not care about the CHOICE of those who voted for Lukashenka.

How many voted for him?

something about 25%, in Minsk - less, in the countryside - more.

Taking into account the fact that the urban population in the Republic of Belarus is larger, all its "legally elected" begins to cast in completely different colors.

[Anton S]

Quote: Nestor

I agree with you. The next stage of "provocation" against the opposition, such as abductions and torture
For a peaceful settlement, Luka needs to go to dialogue and agree to re-elections, let the Belarusians decide themselves who is worthy and who is not.
Otherwise it will be Oh.

He will not agree to this, in his reality he is Belarus. And he knows the real numbers (he has nothing to catch with them in transparent elections) and no one has canceled criminal prosecution for numerous crimes.

[Nestor]

For, I emphasize, a peaceful settlement during negotiations (if it goes), it is necessary to separately negotiate guarantees of its security.
If you want to get rid of him, you will have to sacrifice something, otherwise everything will not end peacefully

[tandem]

he himself will not leave. Hope only for Vova

[Anton S]

Quote: loha

There are ten thousand. Did not have.

You have vision problems

[Anton S]

Quote: Nestor

For, I emphasize, a peaceful settlement during negotiations (if it goes), it is necessary to separately negotiate guarantees of its security.
If you want to get rid of him, you will have to sacrifice something, otherwise everything will not end peacefully

Fuck him, with criminal prosecution, the main thing is that he dissolves in the fog as quickly as possible

[Whirlwind]

Without snipers and bloody victims, the US Ambassador's Maidan is clearly going down the chimney.
And all Putin is to blame ...

[tandem]

Quote: Arlen

Pro-Western protestors do not care what will happen to the country and people. They don't think about the future.

Luka does not think about the people or the country

[Igor Litvin]

See in detail - "Why is Svetlana Tikhanovskaya an enemy of Russia and Belarus? Evidence" - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/zapisi_na_poljah/pochemu-svetlana-tihanovskaia-vrag-rossii-i-belarusi-dokazatelstva-5f3cfa466d86cb29cad37ce6

Whether the cache remembers it or not, there is no anti-Russian agenda. The situation is changing very quickly, and the views of politicians are also changing (Lukashenka actually has the most radical fluctuations: he catches Russian saboteurs, then hugs Putin). Tikhanovskaya, although not a politician, has to act in accordance with the situation. Anti-Russian sentiments among the people are not supported, they have no prospects, therefore, Tikhanovskaya's rhetoric changes accordingly.

The same with the flag - from an opposition symbol in a month it became a nationwide one. If this is not understood in Russia, it is very sad :-(

[tandem]

amendment. There has never been an anti-Russian agenda. It is not profitable to break ties with the Russian Federation. Economies are too tightly tied. The BCHB flag was national before. Green-red - the flag of the BSSR

[tandem]

Quote: Arlen

Now I will ask you: Did you yourself see that he painted 80%? Or, again, someone, somewhere, etc.

Proof - any photo from the protests. Under the BCHB flags, supporters of change. And with shields, those 80% of those who voted for the bow

[Whirlwind]

Not many thousands, but multimillions. So scary and more convincing ...

[kris_67]

"what is happening resembled a carnival" - I wonder how the author envisions a meeting or a protest action? Dress code, skirts no higher than the knees, no high heels, suits, ties, an organized procession into a column of three by the handles - nonsense!