Shoigu spoke about the new bombing system tested in Syria

The statement by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on the bombing system of Russian aircraft attracted particular attention.
According to the head of the Russian defense department, which sounded following the results of the Army-2020 international army competition, such competitions helped to create a "targeting and bombing system brought to almost perfect perfection." Sergei Shoigu added that such a system is now installed on almost all modern combat aircraft with bombing installations.

Particular attention was drawn to the fact that Sergei Shoigu mentioned the use of the new system during the operation against militants in Syria. At the same time, the head of the military department did not specify exactly which aircraft used the new aiming and bombing system in the Syrian Arab Republic and what are its fundamental differences.

Earlier, after a number of publications of frames from drone about the implementation of air strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces on the positions and infrastructure of militants in the SAR, claims were often made. They boiled down to something like this: “The accuracy of bombing could be higher, which would increase the overall effectiveness of the use aviation". It is quite possible that the new system became the development of the capabilities of the Russian Aerospace Forces, increasing the accuracy of the use of air bombs.

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[PN]

And before, according to the results of army, range bombing, they did not see that the accuracy is not very good? Why was it only based on the results of the Syrian company that the decision was made to modernize?

[Bar1]

and Hephaestus, which is already obsolete?

[VO3A]

So we are talking about him! For them, what they heard is new! This is new for them, because they are not experts, they are managers. An empty article about anything! Let them better explain how they generally provide search and target designation in Syria, control and destruction of militants and their supply transports in real time? How the activities of the Pi_ndos and Ottomans are controlled and crossed. There is only one answer: no way! They do not know how, have not learned, there are no means, there are no systems ... In short, there is nothing. They fill all the holes with people, not the slightest clue about modern warfare, everything is old-fashioned, old-fashioned!

[Boris Chernikov]

1) Hephaestus is being modernized just taking into account combat use, since polygonal conditions do not create the problems that create combat conditions.
2) Target designation is provided by ground reconnaissance, aerial reconnaissance, agent reconnaissance and RER means.
3) If ours do not know how, then why is the territory controlled by the Syrian government constantly growing?

And yes, if you are such a specialist in military intelligence, then I think that you are already in uniform and wrote a memo on measures to improve the effectiveness of intelligence and aerospace forces in Syria and asked to be sent to Khmeimim?

[Bar1]

the impression is that Shoigu fell from the moon. About this Hephaestus we have been ringing for a long time.
This is such a muddy today's information policy. They think that we have already forgotten about this Hephaestus and let's bazaar again.
Army2020, what was new there? But nothing, everything that was shown to us has already been said about it for a long time, especially funny what old Soviet tanks show, and this Putin's army has already forgotten how to get off them.

[Captain45]

Quote: VO3A

There is only one answer: nothing! They do not know how, they have not learned, there are no means, no systems ... In short, there is nothing.

What, you can already wrap yourself in a sheet and quietly crawl towards the cemetery?

[sifgame]

the general has already left for you with a report

[Wwk7260]

PR is what the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense really succeeded in, when military construction is replaced by various show projects, such as the Patriot Park, the Army Games, the Youth Army (generally zashkar, similar to the Hoavenbins or even worse, like those that were in Europe, in their PR aesthetics) "Orthodox" Temple of the Sun similar to a pagan temple. And this is against the background of the mockery of the official symbols of the RF Armed Forces, the Red Star turned into a geometric ugliness of the color of ripe radishes and the Red Banner diligently eliminated from the Armed Forces, contrary to the 2000 Law.

[Rushnairfors]

Wwk7260 I support every word you say, although there are still positive aspects, in terms of re-equipment with equipment and money, but that's probably all, and well, housing is now better.

[Wwk7260]

at the expense of housing not in the know, perhaps better, but about the pay, the few remaining military personnel complain that its real value, taking into account inflation, has significantly decreased since 2012, about the new technology, its "news" and even these phrases from annual reports of the Ministry of Defense, "weapons" and "aircraft". although I am writing from the "sofa", I don’t think AK12, T72B3, BTR 82 BMP2-3 BMD2-4 are the newest in quality, but for the price it’s probably quite good.

[Boris Chernikov]

and you so want to get a two-way translator? so you can look at the KK tested its reliability ... in our climate without a bottle of boiling water it is unrealistic to serve with it. 72B3M for less than 1,5 million bucks dragged in a new engine, a cannon and an MSA and an armor with a box .. And yes .. it's very interesting to hear where we have better BMDs than BMD-4m ... can you tell?

[businessv]

Quote: Rushnairfors

there are also positive aspects, in terms of re-equipment with equipment and the money issue, but this is probably all, well, housing has become better now

There is new equipment, the salary is not bad, they provide housing ... what else do you need, a funeral?! ((C) Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession)

[Bar1]

Quote: Wwk7260

PR is what the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense really succeeded in, when military construction is replaced by various show projects, such as the Patriot Park, the Army Games, the Youth Army (generally zashkar, similar to the Hoavenbins or even worse, like those that were in Europe, in their PR aesthetics) "Orthodox" Temple of the Sun similar to a pagan temple. and this

What would you like? Christianity is for the plebs, they hit on one cheek, turn the other, and for the top - for the Romans, the Roman religion. Remember the name of the patriarch's yacht. It is called Pallas-Athena i.e. a pagan name, not a Christian

[Wwk7260]

I haven’t heard about the yacht (name), we will know, ".. so, what a reindeer you are!" (c). a little glad that this werewolf began to play less on TV, and at the parade on May 9, he did not sit in the "royal" box.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Wwk7260

"Orthodox" Temple of the Sun similar to a pagan temple.

Does it greatly offend you?
What is a "pagan temple"? As I understand it, it is the place where ritual actions are held.
What is a church (temple)? As I understand it, it is the place where ritual actions are held.
What is "paganism" would be more correct - polytheism. - this is the religion of my ancestors
What is Orthodoxy? This is the religion of my ancestors.
I have the same respect for the polytheism of my ancestors and the "monotheism" of my ancestors. Why should it be different?

[businessv]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I have the same respect for the polytheism of my ancestors and the "monotheism" of my ancestors. Why should it be different?

Definitely, colleague! Strong and correct!

[Piramidon]

Quote: PN

And before, according to the results of army, range bombing, they did not see that the accuracy is not very good? Why only based on the results of the Syrian company came to the decision to modernize?

The sighting system SVP-24 "Gefest" has been developed since 2000. In 2008 it was put into service. Syria did not smell at that time.

[Rushnairfors]

Even a little earlier, in 2007, in the Khabarovsk Territory, the first garrison to receive the Su24 with this subsystem was the garrison of Pereyaslovka, the son of a friend in 2007 CHVVAKUSH finished and got there, talking about this miracle

[VO3A]

For more details on your tale, tell us about what and how it was put into service, and how many Su-24Ms were equipped with GEFEST, despite and with great resistance from military under-functioning ... Who developed it on their own initiative, and how it was not adopted by Pogasyan's clique ? And now they are proud that they did not want to be adopted!

[Piramidon]

Quote: VO3A

Tell us your tale in more detail about what was put into service and how

The point is that such a system exists. And, no matter how it was, the complex was put into service, and has already been tested in combat conditions. And you, as always, just have a desire to add your waste products?

[VO3A]

Don't like it? But try to find out how many Su-24M we have with SVP-24? No one knows! It's much worse than you think!

[Piramidon]

Quote: VO3A

But try to find out how many Su-24M we have with SVP-24? No one knows!

If you know - tell me, and if not, then there is no need to shake the air.

[VO3A]

Su-24M is a dying, old, very expensive and non-resource aircraft. And they keep it in service from complete hopelessness, and they also count the number of combat-ready ones with postscripts ... The scanty number of Su-34s cannot replace the entire fleet of Su-24Ms, which need to be written off for a long time ... and there is nowhere to plant pilots when they are decommissioned ... The full act is shorter ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: VO3A

Su-24M is a dying, old, very expensive and non-resource aircraft. And they keep it in service from complete hopelessness, and they also count the number of combat-ready ones with postscripts ... The scanty number of Su-34s cannot replace the entire fleet of Su-24Ms, which need to be written off for a long time ... and there is nowhere to plant pilots when they are decommissioned ... The full act is shorter ...

What are you up against the Su-24? You can’t even eat trying to get rid of it from all your holes.

In addition to the basic SVP-24 complex, intended for installation on the Su-24M, the following options have been developed:

SVP-24-22 - for the modification of long-range bombers Tu-22M3
SVP-24-33 - for modification of carrier-based fighters Su-33
SVP-24-27 - for the modification of MiG-27 fighter-bombers (for export)
SVP-24-25 - to modify the Su-25 attack aircraft
It is also possible to adapt the system for the L-39 aircraft, Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters.

[VO3A]

So these are all Soviet old planes, they have long depleted their resource, and fly, or rather fly, on an extended resource! There is nothing to replace them! The modernization of the Tu-22M3 is indicative, they cannot find 30 aircraft suitable for modernization for 10 years! And they will not find it! In 10 years they will all fall apart. This plane is not resourceful, it cannot be upgraded. It's already over!

[Captain45]

Quote: Piramidon

What are you up against the Su-24? You can’t even eat trying to get rid of it from all your holes.

In the course of the play, the country from which the correspondent writes does not have such an aircraft. So the American imperialists, German revanchists and (previously wrote in editorials) Chinese revisionists are gnashing their teeth in impotent anger, and now they are just political partners.

[Cyril G ...]

Well, if the fleet for 12 airworthy Su-33s received 8 sets. That is 2/3. The situation in the Air Force is hardly worse ...

[koramax81]

So go to serve in the troops, dear. Show how to manage a company, battalion, brigade, district, troops ... And then everything is from the Dwan, but from the sofa ...
I've seen such clever guys: only to the point of them, usually 0,00

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

So not only on our forum, but also on the Internet as a whole herd of sofa-computer generals. They already and Borodino for Kutuzov won the Great Patriotic War for Zhukov and the Crimean War with the Russo-Japanese and the First World War at the same time. True, in life they did not even command a platoon, but they are confident in their strategic talents.

[Shuttle]

Quote: PN

And before, according to the results of army, range bombing, they did not see that the accuracy is not very good? Why was it only based on the results of the Syrian company that the decision was made to modernize?

Because there is a completely different type of war in Syria. Not at all the one we were preparing for. There is no clear front line, the enemy appears and disappears. All sorts of "gray" zones have appeared, completely new missions where sometimes it is necessary to escort a convoy of cars or even a separate vehicle from the air. The USSR army never prepared for such wars. Even Afghanistan was completely different.
In Syria, you cannot spill a village like the allies of Dresden or Tokyo once did.

[Alexey Polyutkin]

You have forgotten about the experience of Chechnya, Donbass and the War with Georgia. You are apparently completely incompetent in these matters. One alarmism and lack of logic.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

The polygon is one thing, and the war is quite another. At the firing range, they do not shoot at you in response, and the plywood enemy does not hide in shelters and does not maneuver. Only war really shows that this or that weapon is worth.

[Mountain shooter]

Ordinary bombs? This greatly reduces the cost of achieving a result when performing a combat mission. Adjustable ammunition is ten times more expensive ... roughly speaking, the cost of hitting a target should not be much more expensive than the target itself.

[Free wind]

And what is human life worth?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Free Wind

And what is human life worth?

Whose life, excuse me? Barmaley from ISIS? Who cut the throats of the hostages on cameras?

[Free wind]

Exactly, and this evil too, because he cannot do anything bad to anyone else if he is torn to pieces ..

[Insurgent]

Shoigu spoke about the new bombing system tested in Syria

Quote: Free Wind

And what is human life worth?

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Whose life, excuse me? Barmaley from ISIS?

At these very minutes, according to the ultimatum in the area of ​​the settlement of Shuma, the artillery forces of the NM DNR should have dealt a blow to the fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Petrovo-Zaitsevo line built in violation of the armistice ...
In the meantime, there is only information that Donetsk, near the "Volvo Center" came under fire from small arms.
This is taking place against the backdrop of an ultimatum and a request from the Ukrainian side for an extraordinary and emergency meeting on this issue of the Minsk contact group.

Information about this can be found in the video of the Anna News agency with a short commentary by A. Borodai, as well as on the events in Syria and around it.


*The video clearly shows that from our side all fortification work (laying trenches to the DPR positions) is clearly tracked, and in principle the fortifications could have been destroyed without the involvement of long-range artillery.

[Mimoprohodil]

, by the artillery forces of the NM DNR, a blow was struck at the fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Petrovo-Zaitsevo line built in violation of the armistice ...

And the artillery strike is not a violation of the truce and the withdrawal of artillery systems? For a full combo, you also need to shoot DNR drones

[alexmach]

And what is it next to these positions? some pipeline?

[Insurgent]

Quote: alexmach

And what is it next to these positions? some pipeline?

Honestly, not in the know I have only general ideas about the Gorlovka theater of operations; I have no information about such nuances.

[VO3A]

Adjustable ammunition is tens of times more expensive

You are not stupid! There are different adjustable bombs. Pi_ndos hang rudders on ordinary bombs with a simple control system, modify sighting systems and bomb them for sure. Everyone has been dealing with these issues for a long time ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: VO3A

There are different adjustable bombs. Pi_ndos hang rudders on ordinary bombs with a simple control system ...

GNPP "Basalt" prepared four basic variants of modernization of aircraft bombs, different in terms of configuration, to equip their MPK:
• First option provides for equipping the bomb with the so-called "simple" IPC - for this, it is envisaged to install only a simple planning and correction module, which is attached to the bomb body, and the introduction of electronic control modules is not performed. In this configuration, it is possible to use air bombs at the same ranges of up to 6-8 km, but from extremely low altitudes of 50-100 m, and not from the usual 3-4 km FAB, where the aircraft is very vulnerable to being hit by air defense systems.
• Second option In addition to the installation of the MPK from the standard set, it also provides for equipping with a mounted small-sized control unit with an inertial guidance system (INS unit), which allows stabilizing the bomb in flight and bringing it to the specified area of ​​use. This option, while maintaining the specified accuracy, will provide a drop range of 12-15 km.
• Third option provides for a significant increase in the accuracy of hitting the target. According to it, MPC with INS units are additionally equipped with drives and a satellite navigation receiver GPS and GLONASS. This equipment option will increase the effective launch range to 40-60 km, depending on the mode and speed of the carrier. The accuracy of ABS with IPC in this configuration will be no worse than 10 m.
• In the fourth option an increase in the range of ammunition is provided. In addition to the MPK and a full-fledged control module, it is planned to place a propulsion unit with a pulsating air-jet engine on the bomb, which will increase the effective range to 80-100 km.
Equipping the MPK air bombs significantly expands the zone of destruction of these weapons, gives them new combat capabilities and, in combination with the bomb with the MPK, the carrier increases the combat effectiveness of the latter.
Aircraft ammunition FAB-500M62 with a planning and correction module (IPC) is designed to destroy military-industrial facilities, railway junctions, lightly armored and vulnerable equipment, manpower, military field installations

[VO3A]

GNPP "Basalt" prepared

Where else and what is prepared? Aren't you funny yourself? Everything has been flying for the enemies for a long time, they even calculated the economy, and they collected statistics on combat use in combat units on serial aircraft ...

[Nikolaevich I]

What about laughing or crying? We are already accustomed to the fact that the military "harnesses for a long time" ...!

[d4rkmesa]

Here you need to understand what kind of bombs they hang all this stuff on. Exclusively on the Mark 80, this is a relatively new series of 70-80 bombs, with a "modular" architecture. We have no such analogues. So it's not easy to "wind" your head with GPS on the FAB-500. On the other hand, most likely, the cost of a new "cast iron" without GPS and other things is not so high that you bother with upgrade packs. KAB-500S is quite expensive, according to rumors, but it is hardly expensive "cast iron". Those. it all comes down to making a cheap head. Although the cost of the KAB-500S is comparable to the JDAM, it is still expensive for the Russian Air Force.

[VO3A]

Here you need to understand what kind of bombs they hang all this stuff on.

You are not in the subject, you can hang on any if you want ... Google it, and then you will assert something!

[d4rkmesa]

Excellent, and most importantly - reasoned ... (in fact, no). Do not tell me - I mean "not in the subject", you personally equipped JDAM, where, in the IAF? If yes - no questions.

[VO3A]

Are your hands twisted, is it difficult to press the keyboard?

http://integral-russia.ru/2017/08/19/14134/

[d4rkmesa]

Fire like that, not being able to even check your own link: "Lockheed Martin is an authorized supplier of all three variants of the Paveway-II for equipping the Mk.80 family of free-fall bombs, namely GBU-10 Mk. 84, GBU-12 Mk. 82 and GBU-16 Mk.83 "
Exactly what I wrote about - i.e. NOT "can be hung on any if desired." Pig-iron from the time of early Vietnam are not canned.

[VO3A]

Again :
Are your hands twisted, is it difficult to press the keyboard?
I gave as an example the first article that came across, and there are many of them, you will even be surprised what improvements are in simplicity ... What is interesting for you to argue, you need to look! Won't twist your hands ... Burn? Before .... who? Do not choke with saliva!

[d4rkmesa]

The drain is counted.

[rocket757]

The usual choice ... price is efficiency. So it was, and it will be for a long time.

[Bez 310]

We have nothing newer than the Hephaestus SVP.
Since this "subsystem" is not autonomous,
then there is nothing to talk about, it is suitable for use
at demonstration performances, but in conflicts with
a primitive enemy.

[Aag]

Quote: Bez 310

We have nothing newer than the Hephaestus SVP.
Since this "subsystem" is not autonomous,
then there is nothing to talk about, it is suitable for use
at demonstration performances, but in conflicts with
a primitive enemy.

It's a pity...
Although, you can and rejoice, - for some reason I assumed so. ((

[Rushnairfors]

And not with the primitive either

[Bez 310]

Quote: Rushnairfors

And not with the primitive either

Do you know the principle of operation of the SVP?

[Rushnairfors]

I know. SVP 24-22 specifically.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Rushnairfors

I know. SVP 24-22 specifically.

So you are aware that the "subsystem" works with satellites.
So here is our most likely enemy in a state
"change" the operation of these satellites, after which the "subsystem"
only clutters up the workplace.

[Rushnairfors]

Bez, this is understandable, but by God, I don’t believe in World War III, kill me, but the number of local conflicts will only increase, and not everything is good in the Caucasus, and in Tajik-Afghan, Syria is far from the world ... ..... Therefore, it is better with Hephaestus than from the OPB. By the way, I'm sure: if a war starts with serious uncles, we will also find something to suppress their companions.

[Bez 310]

That is, now you agree with me - "it (the subsystem) is good
for use at demonstration performances, yes in conflicts
with a primitive enemy "?

[Svetlana]

Quote: PN

And before, according to the results of army, range bombing, they did not see that the accuracy is not very good? Why was it only based on the results of the Syrian company that the decision was made to modernize?

I suppose that statistics forced to reconsider the attitude to sighting equipment. For example, 10 out of ten hit the target at the range. All perfectly! But no, with a hundred sorties, it turned out that the eleventh bombing (on average) goes with a much larger deviation. Which made them start working on the equipment again.

[Pavel57]

Good photo - Su-34 with 6 Kh-31.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pavel57

Good photo - Su-34 with 6 Kh-31.

The only pleasant impression from the article is photography. Everything else .... no words

[voyaka uh]

When such suspended targeting pod "sausages" appear under the fuselages of Russian aircraft, it will be possible to talk about accurate bombing

[VO3A]

Su-24M with SVP-24 are bombed in Syria with the accuracy of your corrected bombs. Do not say nonsense out loud if you are not in the know, and leave your hanging containers for yourself .... leave!

[Trapp1st]

when such suspended "sausages" appear under the fuselages of Russian aircraft

Do you think this is a sausage? This is a sausage

[VO3A]

Is this a hanging tank ?!

[Trapp1st]

Is this a hanging tank ?!

A bomb drill is written under the title, maybe the photo does not match the description, I don’t know)

[Bez 310]

Of course this is a tank, it even has a number written on it
aircraft and suspension side - 29L (left).

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Trapp1st

when such suspended "sausages" appear under the fuselages of Russian aircraft

Do you think this is a sausage? This is a sausage

This is an outboard fuel tank !!!!

[alexmach]

Particular attention was drawn to the fact that Sergei Shoigu mentioned the use of the new system during the operation against militants in Syria. At the same time, the head of the military department did not specify exactly which aircraft used the new aiming and bombing system in the Syrian Arab Republic and what are its fundamental differences.

Specify? The same Hephaestus. Used it Su-24, Su-25, Su-30.

PS: I forgot the Su-34.

[VO3A]

There is no GEFEST on the Su-34, and even more so on the Su-30. Su-34 bombing accuracy with conventional bombs does not exceed the Su-24M with SVP-24! There was information about the involvement of Hephaestus developers in the modernization of the Su-34. Very much hoped it was true ...

[Cyril G ...]

Forgot about the Su-33. Minium Hephaestus received 8 out of 12 boards.

[Alexey from Perm]

Apparently now they will be able to cross))

[Interlocutor]

Apparently now they will be able to cross))

Why would the 500th hit the cross?

[Trapp1st]

Bombing accuracy could be higher

Bloggers, human rights activists, and sofa experts, in short, all but the militants complained. Now headshots will be distributed as bombs.

[iouris]

I think Shoigu himself knows little about this.