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Demographic situation in Europe: bad and will be even worse

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The significant decline in the coronavirus pandemic made the world recall the problems that have receded into the background for a while, albeit less acute today, but no less painful. One of them is the rapid deterioration of the demographic situation around the world, and, in particular, in the Old World. In many European states, the alarm is again beginning to sound that their population is at risk of disappearing over time, and without any wars or deadly epidemics.


The article published on September 5 in the Polish Internet edition DoRzeczy.pl has a frightening title: "Poland is dying out." Its author, Yan Fedorchuk, cites really shocking data from Eurostat, according to which in ten years the country will lose a million people, and by 2100 its population will decline by all 10 million. There is, however, an even more pessimistic forecast - from the experts of the American medical journal The Lancet, who believe that by this time only 13-15 million Poles will remain. Alas, this trend is confirmed by the results of studies conducted in Poland itself, according to which the birth rate there fell in 2019 to its lowest level since the end of the Second World War.

It must be said that the impending prospect of aging and extinction of entire nations is by no means an exclusively Polish problem. Almost all international organizations are vying with each other about the mortal danger in which human civilization is located. The number of childless couples in the world exceeded the number of families with children in 2012: according to Euromonitor, from 2015 to 2030, the number of children per family could decrease by 20% in developed countries and by 15% in developing countries. However, with regard to the number of the "cells of society" themselves, everything is also far from favorable: in most European countries (for example, in Britain), the number of marriages over the past 30-40 years has decreased by half, and the average age of "newlyweds" has grown to about 40 in men and 35 in women. What kind of children are there?

Demography is an exact science. Experts in this field have long calculated that the final process of disappearance from the face of the Earth of the human race will begin when the average birth rate in the world reaches 2,1 children per family. In 1990, it was 3,2, and in 2019 it was only 2,5. If the business continues to progress at the same pace, we risk taking a place in the junkyard rather quickly. stories next to mammoths, dinosaurs and other extinct species.

In addition, this misfortune has a pronounced economic component, which is especially relevant, again, for Europe. Analysts of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which includes 34 states, are inclined to believe that by 2030 the number of workers in the developed countries of the Old World will decrease by 20-40%. The number of pensioners will increase accordingly. But who will keep them? In Germany, for example, the retirement age will be increased to 2023 by 67 (with the prospect of increasing it to 70) not because of a good life. In Scandinavia, by 2035, they will most likely go on a well-deserved rest at 72 years old. Here is one of two things: either a large offspring, or work until the very old years.

In some states of the European Union, they are trying to solve the problem in the simplest way - through the influx of migrants. Nevertheless, one cannot but admit the correctness of the above author DoRzeczy.pl, who believes that this is an "obvious and simple path" ... leading to nowhere. Yan Fedorchuk quite rightly asserts that "individuals, not the masses" are assimilated, and therefore, attracting millions of immigrants from the Middle East or Africa to the empty countries of Europe will mean not only their inevitable "destabilization", but also, in fact , crowding out the aging indigenous population by newcomers.

Fedorchuk considers the illusion that the demographic problems in modern Europe can be solved with money as an equally dangerous delusion. He writes that "in fact, social transfers help win elections, but not increase the birth rate", citing the example of the Family 2015 Plus program launched in 500 by the ruling PiS party, despite which the country continues to show negative demographics.

In the end, the Polish journalist makes a very bitter and hard-hitting conclusion: it's not about money, but about the modern world, which “has ceased to be family-oriented,” in the center of which are not traditional conservative values, but a “liberated personality”. Children have ceased to be the main ones in a society built on extreme egoism, which, moreover, "is combined with emancipation, secularization and, finally, with the dominance of individualistic vulgar models." It is difficult to argue with these theses. And why argue with them, if everything said is pure truth?

The "values" and "ideals" for which Europe fought so long and desperately, being embodied in life, ultimately bring it mercilessly to the grave. Perhaps this is something worth pondering over for those who are persistently trying to achieve the enthronement of the same "wonderful" principles and ideas in our country.
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  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 September 2020 18: 08 New
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    The photo shows typical Europeans.
    The "values" and "ideals" for which Europe fought so long and desperately, being brought to life, ultimately bring it mercilessly to the grave.
    This is their choice, they shouted hurray and threw their caps into the air. These ideals melted away like a dream, like a morning mist. recourse
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 18: 52 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      This is their choice, they shouted hurray and threw their caps into the air. These ideals melted away like a dream, like a morning mist.

      Demographic situation in Russia: bad and will be even worse. So the same can and should be said. Maybe it's better to look at your country? Do we have little of our own problems with demography, so we nod at Europe?
      Quote: Crown without virus
      The main thing is that for newlyweds - confidence in the future !!!

      Absolutely correct words, without this, no mat. capital or mortgage at least at 0% will not help.
      1. snake
        snake 9 September 2020 19: 05 New
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        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Maybe it's better to look at your country? Do we have little of our own problems with demography, so we nod at Europe?

        You are unpatriotic ...
        We are fine. Theirs is bad.
        We are a multinational country. They have an explosive cauldron of interethnic conflict.
        We are a multi-confessional country. They have a stillborn project of multiculturalism.
        We have friendship of peoples with the state-forming people at the head. They have warring diasporas.
        Look, don't get confused ...
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        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 20: 03 New
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          Quote: lucul
          And this is exactly so - the reason for the low birth rate is the girl's desire to "live for herself", up to forty years of commercials, and then one can already think about birth.
          Needless to say, 40 for a woman is already the age of a biological grandmother?

          Let's nevertheless approach serious issues from a materialistic point of view, without any metaphysics. What does it mean to live for yourself? Of course, there are more degradants than before, but there are very specific reasons for this, one of them is the lack of educational work at school, and this cult of consumerism, it is actively implanted from the "blue screens". Look, in most modern films, the goodies are absent as a class. The fact that the average family has less than two children is only the fault of the state. Raising children today is extremely expensive. And besides this, parents are forced to work not at all for 8 hours 5 days a week, when will they be brought up? Where is the stable work? Do we give apartments for free as in the USSR? And if someone gets sick, how much does it cost? I have five children, I know what it is to raise them and how much it costs.
          1. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 9 September 2020 20: 34 New
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            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            ... and this cult of consumerism, it is actively implanted from the "blue screens"

            For capitalism, the eradication of the cult of consumerism is tantamount to a shot not even in the leg, but immediately in the head.
          2. lucul
            lucul 9 September 2020 20: 35 New
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            Raising children today is extremely expensive. And besides this, parents are forced to work not at all for 8 hours 5 days a week, when will they be brought up? Where is the stable work?

            Are you saying that from 1941 to 1945 women did not give birth to children? The situation was worse than ever, but gave birth. The main thing is the desire to give birth, and it does not depend as much on the financial condition as you think.
            You seem to think correctly
            and this cult of consumerism, it is actively implanted from the "blue screens"

            and immediately translate the arrows
            The fact that the average family has less than two children is only the fault of the state. Raising children today is extremely expensive.

            Asian women do not think about the upbringing (education) of children - they regularly give birth. Do I need to say who the future will be? )))
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 20: 59 New
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              Quote: lucul
              Are you saying that from 1941 to 1945 women did not give birth to children?

              From 41 to 45, the birth rate was unlikely to increase, due to natural reasons. And after the war, when the people worked hard and hard, the school, pioneer and Komsomol organizations took care of raising children. And in no nightmare, the parent could not have dreamed that the teacher would say: "Your child does not have time, study with a tutor."
              Quote: lucul
              and this cult of consumerism, it is actively implanted from the "blue screens"
              and immediately translate the arrows

              Do not distort, what was said referred to those wishing to "live for themselves", even today there is not a high percentage of them.
              Quote: lucul
              Asian women don't think about the upbringing (education) of children - they regularly give birth

              This is to blame for the lack of education and, as a result, religious education. With an increase in the education of the population, the birth rate falls and depends only on the social system and economic reasons.
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 9 September 2020 21: 47 New
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            Quote: aleksejkabanets

            Let's nevertheless approach serious issues from a materialistic point of view, without any metaphysics. What does it mean to live for yourself? Of course, there are more degradants than before, but there are very specific reasons for this, one of them is the lack of educational work at school, and this cult of consumerism, it is actively implanted from the "blue screens"

            Delightfully laid out .. hi
          4. lucul
            lucul 10 September 2020 10: 25 New
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            What does it mean to live for yourself? Of course, there are more degradants than before, but there are very specific reasons for this, one of them is the lack of educational work at school, and this cult of consumerism, it is actively implanted from the "blue screens".

            Well yo-my. To live for oneself means an extreme form of egoism, a man is rowing everything under his beloved, regardless of any moral and ethical values. This is the basis of Western propaganda, it is spread everywhere, from the entire multimedia industry, starting with cartoons for the little ones - remember Duck Tales and so on? Remember a character like Scrooge McDuck? From childhood, a child is hammered into the subcortex of the brain with terry egoism. And you want to oppose this with educational work at school ??? Funny to tears))))
            In the USSR, even the Iron Curtain could not oppose this.
            Do not distort, what was said referred to those wishing to "live for themselves", even today there is not a high percentage of them.

            Judging by the birth rate, this percentage is simply huge.
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 13 September 2020 18: 48 New
              +1
              Scrooge McDuck was invented by its author, illustrator, in December 1947 and out of direct connection with problem demographics. This was the era of the baby boom: if there were four or five children in a family, this was considered the norm.
              A graphic illustration: "children born on the first day of the new 1946"
              [media=https://r1.mt.ru/r8/photo4743/20882886898-0/jpg/bp.webp]
          5. raw174
            raw174 11 September 2020 12: 17 New
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            To answer the question: how to raise the demography ?, we need to turn to world experience, from which we will see that well-fed and prosperous families, in well-fed and prosperous countries, do not give birth, and the poor and hungry give birth to many. The formula is simple: make education inaccessible to the masses, and prohibit women, religion to the masses, all to churches (mosques, synagogues, castiols, etc.), do not give a woman the opportunity to build a career and the birth rate will go uphill. Look at the ranking of countries by demography, who are the leaders? And yes, I have three children, I also know a lot about parenting ...
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 September 2020 12: 54 New
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              Quote: raw174
              To answer the question: how to raise demographics?

              This is a way back to the Middle Ages and our state is doing a lot in this direction. Look better at the example of the USSR, because even in the late USSR the number of children per family was consistently more than 2.
            2. KVIRTU
              KVIRTU Yesterday, 23: 39 New
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              The well-being of any family starts with a small one, well, at least an email tariff. energy.
              "Electricity tariffs for the population living in urban settlements of the Krasnodar Territory in houses equipped with gas stoves

              One-part electricity tariff 5.02 rubles per 1 kWh "

              And the states for you for example:
              "The average electricity price for US industrial consumers in 2019 is 6,93 US cents / kWh, including all taxes and duties."
              At the rate: 5,29 rubles per 1 kWh
              How do you like it?
              "The fundamental reason for the unnatural high cost of electricity in Russia, a country that is one of the largest energy suppliers to the world market, is the chronic inefficiency of the industry."
        2. snake
          snake 9 September 2020 22: 09 New
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          Quote: lucul
          Needless to say, 40 for a woman is already the age of a biological grandmother?

          Biological grandmothers? As in "Gorodok":

          But recently the family was dealt another powerful blow from the "caring" government. Yes, yes, we are talking about the notorious pension reform, "thanks" to which those same grandmothers (biological and genetic) will not be able to provide all possible assistance to young families as before.
          1. lucul
            lucul 10 September 2020 10: 38 New
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            Biological grandmothers?

            Let me explain what is meant by a biological grandmother - in ancient times, in all countries of the world, a girl could conceive a child from the age of 12-13. Accordingly, if a girl became pregnant at 13, then at 14 she gave birth to, say, a girl. This girl, having reached the age of 14, also gave birth, let's say a girl again. Ie the first one, she became a grandmother at the age of 28 !!!! Accordingly, she became a great-grandmother at 42 and a great-great-grandmother at 56, and so on. In just 100 years, biologically, 6 can change !!! generations (this is actually the maximum possible).
            I took the average age of a child's birth (to the maximum, based on moral and ethical standards) at 20 years old, that is, at 40 years old, a girl could become a grandmother. Now, the average age in megalopolises, Moscow, for example, among Slavic girls, is approaching 40 years.
            That is, if in antiquity, in 100 years, 6 generations could have changed, then in current conditions (the first pregnancy at 40), only 100 will change in 2 years !!! generations.
            Do you feel the difference?
      3. WIKI
        WIKI 9 September 2020 20: 11 New
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        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Do we have little of our own problems with demography, so we nod at Europe?

        by 2030 in the developed countries of the Old World, the number of employees will decrease by 20-40%. The number of pensioners will increase accordingly. But who will keep them?
        I think they will solve their problems, and pensioners will be supported by increasing labor productivity, which in Germany is $ 76, and in the OECD countries on average $ 54,8. Russia - $ 26,5. And all the good wishes of the GDP to increase this indicator do not lead to significant growth.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 20: 23 New
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          Quote: WIKI
          increasing labor productivity, which in Germany is $ 76, and in the OECD countries on average $ 54,8. Russia - $ 26,5. And all the good wishes of the GDP to increase this indicator do not lead to significant growth.

          And they won't, as long as it is cheaper to pay a beggarly salary to an employee than to invest in modernizing production.
        2. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 9 September 2020 22: 13 New
          +5
          In our country, pensioners can be supported not at the expense of workers and their labor productivity (pensioners have already given their debt to the Motherland, now it must pay it back to them, regardless of how many workers we have and how many idlers who appropriate the national property), but at the expense of the tax from extraction of natural resources ... Then the resources will be the national property ...
      4. Ajevgenij
        Ajevgenij 9 September 2020 22: 31 New
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        For that, now there is a complete and absolute Uncertainty in tomorrow ... Welcome to post-capitalism ...
      5. Lebed
        Lebed 9 September 2020 22: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Demographic situation in Russia: bad and will be even worse

        Well, give birth, who doesn't? I and all my cousins ​​/ sisters (Russians) have three or four, and nothing, we live normally. Everyone is working, no one is going to die.
      6. Petrik66
        Petrik66 10 September 2020 11: 19 New
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        a very hardworking person - Alexey Kabanets. For 222 days that he was registered on this site, he wrote 916 comments, i.e. 4 comments per day. hopefully getting paid for it.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 10 September 2020 13: 18 New
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          Quote: Petrik66
          a very hardworking person - Alexey Kabanets. For 222 days that he was registered on this site, he wrote 916 comments, i.e. 4 comments per day.

          Thank you for appreciating my hard work. I work at a computer, sometimes I have free time.
          Quote: Petrik66
          hopefully getting paid for it.

          Alas, if you want to pay, I will not mind.
      7. Skai
        Skai 10 September 2020 11: 22 New
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        Yeah, zero percent - when would we wait? Give birth, they say, to a third person, then, perhaps, we will reduce the interest rate to 6%. May be...
    2. Civil
      Civil 9 September 2020 18: 55 New
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      Whether it is on the island of stability and prosperity, our entire population is increasing and growing by leaps and bounds ... to serve hordes of children, we import massively highly qualified personnel from Central Asia ...
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 9 September 2020 19: 32 New
        +2
        grows and grows by leaps and bounds.

        -Do you have a watch without a minute hand?
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 9 September 2020 18: 56 New
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      Demographic situation in Europe: bad and will be even worse

      I want to squeeze out a tear crying especially due to the deteriorating demographic situation in Poland, but it does not work request
      1. snake
        snake 9 September 2020 19: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: Terenin
        I want to squeeze out a tear crying especially due to the deteriorating demographic situation in Poland, but it does not work request

        Because because of a similar situation in Russia, all the tears have already been shed, haven't they, Gennady?
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 9 September 2020 19: 11 New
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          Quote: serpent
          Quote: Terenin
          I want to squeeze out a tear crying especially due to the deteriorating demographic situation in Poland, but it does not work request

          Because because of a similar situation in Russia, all the tears have already been shed, haven't they, Gennady?

          Demography is a complex science to which politics is now mixed up.
          1. snake
            snake 9 September 2020 19: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: Terenin
            Demography is a complex science to which politics is now mixed up.

            Now and always. Politics is mixed in all spheres of the state, and demography is one of them.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 9 September 2020 19: 20 New
              +4
              Quote: serpent
              Politics is mixed in all spheres of the state, and demography is one of them.
              Yes. yes

              We have driven ourselves into a dead end. It's time to recall Stolypin's reforms. The roots begin to sprout in the ground, and not in concrete and asphalt ... People who grew up in cities have a completely different psyche ...
              1. snake
                snake 9 September 2020 19: 28 New
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                Quote: Terenin
                The roots begin to sprout in the ground, not in concrete and asphalt ...

                What are we, Pinocchio, to put roots? Plus, hydroponics teaches us that you can grow in an artificial environment too. The main thing is to apply intelligence, honor and conscience - then the result will be.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 20: 19 New
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                Quote: Terenin
                We have driven ourselves into a dead end. It's time to recall Stolypin's reforms. The roots begin to sprout in the ground, and not in concrete and asphalt ... People who grew up in cities have a completely different psyche ...

                What do you know about Stolypin's reform? In what soil do your roots grow? What do you know about village life? Urban peasant? I lived in the countryside, moved to the city for a number of reasons. And the first reason is children. There is nothing in the village for them, no sports, no clubs, nothing. The cost price of a broiler chicken comes out as the selling price of the magnet. Last year, milk was taken at 17 rubles, just to feed a cow. I won't speak about pastures and arable land.
                1. MstislavHrabr
                  MstislavHrabr 9 September 2020 22: 36 New
                  +4
                  Village-selu strife! I now live in a village (although it is a regional center). In a village with 3,5 thousand population - 2 gardens and a swimming pool. There are a lot of circles and they are free (all sorts of art, song, dance, etc.). There is a military-patriotic club, YUNARMIA, and the guys from them often travel and participate in regional competitions. There is a sports and recreation center ... Our guys from the football section, within the framework of the Mini-Football to School project, often win over Muscovites, regularly bring 1-3 places from the All-Russian competitions. Our tourists are also visible not only in the region ... I believe that the prospect lies precisely with the development of such villages and small towns! But! So that young people do not leave the village, a decent, well-paid and varied job is needed! After all, not everyone wants to be tractor drivers, chauffeurs, milkmaids and combine operators ... Given the current level of development of digital technologies, the village could take on a much larger number of professions. But this requires a state. business program and interest ...
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 22: 43 New
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                    Quote: MstislavHrabr
                    Village-selu strife!

                    Here I completely agree with you. In the village, the same couple of thousand. Population, Coy what circles and sections are. But the trouble is with work.
                    Quote: MstislavHrabr
                    With the current level of development of digital technologies, the village could take on a much larger number of professions. But this requires a state. business program and interest ...

                    Unfortunately, today it is more profitable for a large rural business to sell grain to Turkey.
                  2. raw174
                    raw174 11 September 2020 18: 30 New
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                    Quote: MstislavHrabr
                    Village-selu strife! I now live in a village (although it is a regional center). In a village with 3,5 thousand population - 2 gardens and a swimming pool

                    I agree. I am also from the village, my regional center is about 8 thousand, 20-25 years ago there were about 12 thousand people. There is also an add. schools, my daughter goes to the Children's Art School, plays the saxophone and in the ski section, all the equipment is state-owned, but bought the sax ourselves, it's more convenient, the payment is 2 thousand rubles. per year, in the form of a donation, for toilet paper, office supplies and other trifles. I don't want to go to town. The biggest disadvantage of the village is that there is practically no medicine, there are no doctors, dignity. aviation flies almost every other day, they don't treat on the spot ...
                2. Terenin
                  Terenin 10 September 2020 15: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  What do you know about Stolypin's reform? In what soil do your roots grow? What do you know about village life? Urban peasant?

                  Have you seen enough films about the NKVD-OGPU?
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 10 September 2020 15: 47 New
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                    Quote: Terenin
                    Have you seen enough films about the NKVD-OGPU?

                    What does the OGPU-NKVD have to do with it? You mentioned Stolypin's reform completely inappropriate, Stolypin contributed not to the allotment of land to the peasants, but to the destruction of the peasant community and the massive appearance of landless peasants who replenish factories in cities.
                    1. Arlen
                      Arlen 10 September 2020 16: 49 New
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                      Greetings comrade! hi
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Stolypin contributed not to the allotment of land to the peasants, but to the destruction of the peasant community and the massive appearance of landless peasants who replenish factories in the cities

                      Having come to power, Stolypin, under the slogan "first pacification, then reform", deployed a system of martial courts in the country, which were engaged in suppressing the popular uprising through punitive actions. Justifying the massacres, Stolypin liked to repeat: "I hope that the descendants will distinguish the blood on the hands of the doctor from the blood on the hands of the executioner." That is, this "reformer" - the executioner considered himself a "doctor". But it is worth giving credit to his talent as an orator. He knew how to speak beautifully and convince, but that's all. The ability to speak beautifully and persuade allowed him to create an impression of himself as a "reformer".
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 September 2020 20: 13 New
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            Quote: Terenin
            Demography is a complex science to which politics is now mixed up.

            Yes, this is not demography, but the purposeful destruction of human values, the religion of the family, schools, educational institutions. Replacing these values ​​with suffrage, LGBT people, promoting sex and perversion. And this is done purposefully, and it's not hard to guess who needs it.
            1. Ajevgenij
              Ajevgenij 9 September 2020 22: 34 New
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              As smart people have said long ago, positivist technoctatic thinking has been successfully replaced by the thinking of momentary consumption and no future ...
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 9 September 2020 21: 49 New
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            Quote: Terenin
            Demography is a complex science to which politics is now mixed up.

            If in the first post I agree with you .. and do not care about Europa .. what they have there .. then here, you are wrong, demography is a consequence of politics ..
      2. Terrible
        Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 21: 03 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        I want to squeeze out a tear, especially for the worsening demographic situation in Poland, but it just doesn't work.

        Do not worry about mono-ethnic Poles, they fully compensate for their decline with young people from Ukraine and Belarus. And if Lukashenka remains in power for some more time, then their demographic problems for the next two decades will be resolved within a couple of years.
      3. Skai
        Skai 10 September 2020 11: 23 New
        +1
        These felt boots can be reduced to zero at any time before 2100, Russia will still build intrigues
    4. snake
      snake 9 September 2020 19: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      This is their choice, they shouted hurray and threw their caps into the air. These ideals melted away like a dream, like a morning mist.

      So they might have chosen. And in Russia, they recently made new concessions for migrants:
      In Russia, foreign homeowners were allowed to register migrants.
      What, someone was interviewed?
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 9 September 2020 21: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      This is their choice, they shouted hurray and threw their caps into the air.

      Some of our characters are yelling and throwing their caps, although the situation in our country is not much better. And in general, they don't care what they have there ... you have to think about yourself
    6. RealPilot
      RealPilot 9 September 2020 22: 18 New
      +2
      The fact is that all modern civilization contributes to population decline.

      This is a purposeful policy.
      Promoting same-sex love.
      Ideas "child free", freedom from children, responsibility.
      Hedonism as a desire for pleasure and consumption.
      According to some reports, the development of fertility-lowering vaccines ...
      Etc.

      An example is the so-called "Georgia Tablets" installed in 1980 in this state. There are 6 slabs with text in several languages.
      I am attaching a photo with Russian text, there are many seemingly "good" wishes:



      But what inspires optimism is the postscript on our native and capacious. To the fact that "let the earth's population never exceed 500 million." Yes, we want to live!
    7. Megatron
      Megatron 9 September 2020 22: 40 New
      +2
      Ours is not much better. Volodya said that he "cannot" forbid Asians from coming here. So they bring in Uzbeks, who make super profits, which are then taken offshore.
  3. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 September 2020 18: 10 New
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    The author is a little cunning ... he does not understand modern life ... I will give an example from the USSR ...

    after graduating from our university in his specialty, he was distributed to Zelenograd and immediately given a place in the hostel ...
    - you get married - right away you should have a one-room apartment in Zelenograd (if someone is not in the know - Zelenograd is considered Moscow since fig knows what time)
    - a child was born - the state immediately gives you a kopeck piece
    - the second was born - three rubles is put

    and that was actually during the Soviet era ...

    But it would be so in Europe now - the birth rate would be at a height there and no nafig Arabs with blacks there would not be necessary !!! good

    The main thing is that for newlyweds - confidence in the future !!! drinks
    1. dranthqu
      dranthqu 9 September 2020 18: 16 New
      +3
      That's just in tsarist Russia, for example, no two or three rubles were handed out, and the birth rate was higher than in the USSR. It seems that the reason is not in "confidence in the future."
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 18: 57 New
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        Quote: dranthqu
        That's just in tsarist Russia, for example, no two or three rubles were handed out, and the birth rate was higher than in the USSR. It seems that the reason is not in "confidence in the future."

        Google about land reform (the more mouths, the more land). In the cities, the birth rate was significantly lower, plus the lack of contraception, etc. If I am not mistaken about 80% of the population of Ingushetia was the peasantry.
        1. dranthqu
          dranthqu 9 September 2020 22: 06 New
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          In turn, I recommend looking at other countries as well: https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/dataset/fertility/wfd2017.asp (fertility data for the last 70 years for all countries of the world ). Are you saying that in Uganda or Chad now an analogue of land reform is being carried out?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 9 September 2020 22: 18 New
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            Quote: dranthqu
            Are you saying that in Uganda or Chad now an analogue of land reform is being carried out?

            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            This is to blame for the lack of education and, as a result, religious education. With an increase in the education of the population, the birth rate falls and depends only on the social system and economic reasons.

            I wrote above.
      2. tatra
        tatra 9 September 2020 19: 03 New
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        Enemies of the communists always climb to discuss and approve what they have no idea about. The high birth rate in Ingushetia was not because of the wonderful life of the people, who gorged themselves on "French rolls", as in your anti-Soviet myths, but because of the prohibition of abortion on pain of imprisonment, because of the lack of contraception, due to the fact that 85 % of the population lived in villages, communities, where the land was distributed according to the number of eaters - the more eaters, the more land the family has.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 9 September 2020 19: 16 New
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          Quote: tatra
          due to the fact that 85% of the population lived in villages, communities where land was distributed according to the number of eaters - the more eaters, the more land the family has.

          By the way, why in the Republic of Ingushetia a girl was not even given a plot of land, unlike a boy?
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        3. Terrible
          Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 21: 07 New
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          Quote: tatra
          Enemies of the communists

          Who is talking about what, and this one is about the bath recourse
          Quote: tatra
          and because of the prohibition of abortion on pain of imprisonment

          Better tell us about the prohibitions on abortion in the USSR. Because of this, a lot of women have died or lost their reproductive function while trying to perform it outside the walls of clinics.
        4. dranthqu
          dranthqu 9 September 2020 22: 25 New
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          Irina, you did not speak at all about the topic. I did not come here to fight with you, but to discuss what could be the reasons for the low, and continuing to decline, birth rates in completely different countries with different cultures, religions and mentality. And you go straight to the revolver :)

          For example, do you have any idea why between 1956 and 1966 the birth rate fell by one and a half times and never recovered until the collapse of the USSR?
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 September 2020 20: 18 New
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        Quote: dranthqu
        That's just in tsarist Russia, for example, no two or three rubles were distributed, and the birth rate was higher than in the USSR.

        Because human and Christian values ​​were above all. And it's not about poverty and material well-being, then the family was not on paper and slogans, but in fact - a unit of society.
        1. Terrible
          Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 21: 08 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Because human and Christian values ​​were above all. And it's not about poverty and material well-being,

          Or because half of those born will die in infancy, and the rest should be harnessed as early as possible to work in the fields? Well, they lie and nothing more.
        2. dranthqu
          dranthqu 9 September 2020 22: 13 New
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          I would like to agree with you, but the data on fertility by countries of the world over the past 70 years (https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/dataset/fertility/wfd2017.asp) do not correlate particularly with religion (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/religion-by-country). And the birth rate is now high not in countries with a stable institution of the family.
      4. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 9 September 2020 22: 45 New
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        The surge in the birth rate in tsarist Russia falls on the time after the abolition of serfdom. Before that, it was possible to marry only with the permission of the master. In addition, the peasants had a hope that they (or their children) would live better ... There was also an economic interest: the land in the community was divided according to the number of eaters (ie the more children you have, the more land you will get. Russia has tripled in 40 post-reform years ...). So "confidence in the future" is a very important factor ...
        1. dranthqu
          dranthqu 10 September 2020 00: 42 New
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          Please show the data on the birth rate surge? What you are talking about - population growth - is the difference between fertility and mortality. As far as I know, there were no "surges in the birth rate", there was only a significant decrease in infant mortality in the last years of the Republic of Ingushetia, the first years of the USSR, as a result of which the population growth increased significantly.
    2. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 9 September 2020 18: 17 New
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      No, you're wrong..
      On the contrary, just ..
      Why is it that the better people live, the less they want to mess with children?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 9 September 2020 18: 34 New
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        Quote: Mishanya74
        Why is it that the better people live, the less they want to mess with children?

        if the goal of life is pleasure imposed by advertising, then of course
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 9 September 2020 19: 03 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: Mishanya74
          Why is it that the better people live, the less they want to mess with children?

          if the goal of life is pleasure imposed by advertising, then of course

          Family values ​​have lost their strength.
      2. tatra
        tatra 9 September 2020 19: 05 New
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        Well, yes, the Russian people healed so well under the benefactor of the enemies of the communists, Yeltsin, that the birth rate in the 90s fell by 2 times compared to the 80s.
    3. leks
      leks 9 September 2020 18: 46 New
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      It is enough to look at the birth rate in the USSR, over the years, and it immediately becomes clear that your thesis about confidence in the future is not suitable for increasing the birth rate. After 1960, the birth rate in the USSR did not drop, if before 1960 the average was 3.5, 4 children per family since 1980, this figure was 1.9,2.
      In countries where people live steadily and with confidence in the future, the birth rate always becomes low, one maximum two children per family, and for population growth, a minimum of 2,5 is needed.
      The EU understood this at the end of the 20th century. For this reason, they began to host a lot of refugees from not prosperous countries for their assimilation, but it did not work out, they created hemorrhoids from Muslim communities who did not care about EU laws.
      Unfortunately, the situation in Russia is the same and we are going the same way as the EU.
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 9 September 2020 22: 53 New
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        From 1959 to 1989, the population of the Union grew from 208,272 to 286,731 million. The increase was 77,9 million people, or 137,31%. On average, the population grew by more than 2,5 million annually.
        1. dranthqu
          dranthqu 10 September 2020 00: 52 New
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          You are confusing fertility and population growth.

          Population growth is the difference between fertility and mortality plus migration. In the absence of migration and with normal medicine, the birth rate above 2,1 leads to an increase in the population, below - to a decrease. Thus, we get that yes, the population of the USSR grew by 37,31% (not 137,31% by the way). For comparison, the population of the USSR in the period from 1929 to 1959 grew from 154 million people to 208 million people, that is, by 35%, and this is taking into account the War.

          Thus, it turns out that from 1959 to 1989 something happened that affected population growth (not fertility!) As much as the War. What could it be?
        2. leks
          leks 10 September 2020 11: 47 New
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          Read the statistics for the years in the USSR.
          Fertility, mortality and net population growth per year.
          There, everything is written in Russian, well, you can read Tatar if it’s tight.
    4. snake
      snake 9 September 2020 19: 12 New
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      Quote: Crown without virus
      The author is a little different from being cunning ...

      The author forgets that in addition to the "correct values" you also need to eat / dress / pay for utilities. For 17000 rubles. the middle class does not particularly give rise to whatever values ​​prevail in society.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 9 September 2020 21: 06 New
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        Quote: serpent
        The author forgets that in addition to the "correct values" you also need to eat / dress / pay for utilities.

        very interesting.. bully Then why is everything in a prosperous EU as bad as in Russia, and in some places even worse? Is Putin to blame? laughing
        1. snake
          snake 9 September 2020 22: 00 New
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          Quote: SanichSan
          Why is everything in a prosperous EU as bad as in Russia, and sometimes even worse?

          About "sometimes worse" can you be more specific? But in essence the question: It turns out that the low birth rate in our time has at least two reasons - an excess of money and a lack of it. But this is only among Europeans (including Russians). Plus, the brains are not tortured by the religious imperative: give birth as much as you can. But in any case, being childless with money is better and more fun than without children and without money.
          Quote: SanichSan
          Is Putin to blame?

          Do not take His name in vain.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 9 September 2020 22: 10 New
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            Quote: serpent
            About "sometimes worse" can you be more specific?

            can. look at Latvia. half the population has lost since 1991.
            Quote: serpent
            But in any case, being childless with money is better and more fun than without children and without money.
            this is much closer to the reasons for the deterioration of demographics. extinction is guaranteed with this paradigm yes while you live by this principle, no state programs will help either in Russia, or in the EU or in China.
            Quote: serpent
            Do not take His name in vain.

            good
            1. snake
              snake 9 September 2020 22: 17 New
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              Quote: SanichSan
              look at Latvia. half the population lost since 1991

              Latvia is not a real European country. Country-limitrophe. Rolling pennant.
              Quote: SanichSan
              this is much closer to the reasons for the deterioration of demographics. extinction is guaranteed with this paradigm

              Russians, in most cases, are not in danger. And in general, the paradigm "tighten our belts and rally - the enemies are around" is also so-so ... Especially when you see that the ideologists of this paradigm somehow are in no hurry to tighten and unite, but just know they are getting richer by leaps and bounds. hours.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 9 September 2020 22: 37 New
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                Quote: serpent
                Latvia is not a real European country. Country-limitrophe. Rolling pennant.

                a member of the EU and NATO is quite real, even with some geopolitical ambitions.
                Quote: serpent
                Anyway, the paradigm "tighten our belts and rally - around the enemies" is also so-so ...

                in general, it is not connected with demography. it's about something else.
                Quote: serpent
                Especially when you see that the ideologists of this paradigm are somehow in no hurry to delay and unite, but just be aware they are getting richer by leaps and bounds.

                and this also has nothing to do with demography. something is not noticeable that all these rich people were large. usually the other way around. or do you want to say that because someone is very rich, everyone else falls into a fierce depression, they say "I don't play like that!" and flatly refuse to copulate and reproduce? nope ... bullshit. no
                but the long-term introduction of liberal values ​​into society and the assertion of the prevalence of personal interests over public and family interests, in fact, leads to what we have. we in general, both in the EU and in Russia and around the world. as long as people are taught to live for themselves, nothing will change.
                1. snake
                  snake 9 September 2020 23: 18 New
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                  Quote: SanichSan
                  a member of the EU and NATO is quite real, even with some geopolitical ambitions.

                  Well, yes, but no. Member of the EU and NATO, but not his head. And not even the heart and lungs.
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  in general, it is not connected with demography. it's about something else.

                  It is connected, it is connected ... The Russians are asking the government: What the hell do we have such low salaries? And they are answered: There are enemies all around, sanctions, LGBT people, the insidious West, the American military and so on ... Therefore, we must be patient. Until 2025. Or until 2035 ... In general, it will get better soon, now almost ...
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  and this also has nothing to do with demography. something is not noticeable that all these rich people were large.

                  You are looking at these things from the wrong angle. The people see these moneybags. He sees that they do not trust Russian education, medicine and treat and teach their children, respectively, abroad. Seeing this "love" for the Motherland, can confidence in the future increase?
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  but the long-term introduction of liberal values ​​into society and the assertion of the prevalence of personal interests over public and family interests, in fact, leads to what we have.

                  Public interest? But what if the society is heterogeneous? I'm almost sure that your interests and the interests of the conventional Russian oligarch are diametrically opposed.
                  Putin, for example, said that the Russian Federation needs migrants. Are you interested in migrants too? I doubt it. But you and Putin are part of society.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 10 September 2020 00: 45 New
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                    Quote: serpent
                    Well, yes, but no. Member of the EU and NATO, but not his head. And not even the heart and lungs.

                    you know .. if you have hemorrhoids, you don't say "oh, bullshit! it's just a priest." wink
                    Quote: serpent
                    It is connected, it is connected ... The Russians are asking the government: What the hell do we have such low salaries? And they are answered: There are enemies all around, sanctions, LGBT people, the insidious West, the American military and so on ... Therefore, we must be patient. Until 2025. Or until 2035 ... In general, it will get better soon, now almost ...

                    and refuse to have children for this reason? what nonsense wassat there are some Mexicans who are digging in garbage dumps, what is a salary at all do not know and all have large families. a small group cannot survive, a large one turns out.
                    Quote: serpent
                    You are looking at these things from the wrong angle. The people see these moneybags. He sees that they do not trust Russian education, medicine and treat and teach their children, respectively, abroad. Seeing this "love" for the Motherland, can confidence in the future increase?

                    and where does "confidence in the future"? the statistics unequivocally indicate that the lower the standard of living, the higher the birth rate. yes
                    Quote: serpent
                    Public interest? But what if the society is heterogeneous? I'm almost sure that your interests and the interests of the conventional Russian oligarch are diametrically opposed.
                    why? for example, our moneybags grappled with the western ones and annexed Crimea as part of this squabble. it is clear that our motivation is different, but I support the unification of Russian lands. and how does this heterogeneity actually affect demography? in the third world countries the same stratification and in even more severe forms and at the same time there is a high birth rate, while in our country and in other developed countries it is low. for population growth, ideological motivation or actual motivation is needed when small families do not survive. with ideological motivation, even the PRC has not yet been able to. request perhaps they could in the DPRK, but too closed country and too tough option.
                    Quote: serpent
                    Putin, for example, said that the Russian Federation needs migrants. Are you interested in migrants too? I doubt it. But you and Putin are part of society.

                    in vain you doubt. I am sure that labor migrants are needed. they are mainly employed in low-skilled jobs for which they pay little. Would you like to wash the staircase and remove garbage from the garbage chute, or some kind of Dzhamshut?
                    there are also highly qualified migrants, all the more needed! how many were howling about the brain drain abroad, but now brains have flowed into the country, and you say "no need!" request
                    1. snake
                      snake 10 September 2020 22: 06 New
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                      Latvia is a weak example. They were recently (by historical standards) in the USSR.
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      there are some Mexicans digging in garbage

                      Do you suggest that families of the "middle class" also produce a dozen children and beg in the garbage?
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      for example, our moneybags grappled with the western ones and annexed Crimea as part of this squabble.

                      This is an error (pleasant and useful, I admit it) in probability theory. Crimea was thus returned (although it is still a question of how it actually was), but by and large they are terribly far from the people, these moneybags.
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      in the third world countries the same stratification and in even more severe forms and at the same time there is a high birth rate

                      For them, either culture or religion is a powerful motivator.
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      I am sure that labor migrants are needed. they are mainly employed in low-skilled jobs for which they pay little.

                      Well, well ... Some of them are already entering the Russian Guard and are taking care of our peace. Well, how they cherish ...
                      The Russian Guard raped a 12-year-old boy.
                      https://news.rambler.ru/incidents/44800888-rosgvardeets-iznasiloval-12-letnego-malchika/
                      Do not indulge yourself with illusions. Migrants won't do low-skilled jobs forever. Their number will rapidly increase, they will take positions in the security sector, in business (markets in large cities and so on), etc.
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      there are also highly qualified migrants, all the more needed! how many were howling about the brain drain abroad, but now brains have flowed into the country, and you say "no need!"

                      Get out! That is, instead of trying to return our clever people, as well as educating new ones, we will import strangers. Brilliant!
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 12 September 2020 12: 59 New
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                        Quote: serpent
                        Latvia is a weak example. They were recently (by historical standards) in the USSR.

                        well to go nuts! EU country, NATO member is not an example? If somewhere in the Far East a city-forming enterprise was covered back in the 90s and half of the city's population dumped, this means that all of Russia is full of seams with demography, and Lithuania in the EU is a "weak example"? belay Are you seriously? bully
                        Quote: serpent
                        Do you suggest that families of the "middle class" also produce a dozen children and beg in the garbage?
                        Something among my friends with 3-7 children, there is no one who would beg in the trash heaps. something you are breaking wink
                        and no one will "breed" on someone's proposal. the number of children is NOT associated with wealth in any way. it is a fact. request those who give birth for material reasons go to surrogacy programs and do not affect demography. yes
                        Quote: serpent
                        This is an error (pleasant and useful, I admit it) in probability theory. Crimea was thus returned (although it is still a question of how it actually was), but by and large they are terribly far from the people, these moneybags.
                        right. and? ALL governments are controlled by moneybags. the question is how it affects the population. objectively, in Russia it is not the worst way. not the best, but not the worst either.
                        Quote: serpent
                        For them, either culture or religion is a powerful motivator.

                        right. this is what raises demographics, not living standards.
                        Quote: serpent
                        Well, well ... Some of them are already entering the Russian Guard and are taking care of our peace. Well, how they cherish ...
                        The Russian Guard raped a 12-year-old boy.
                        https://news.rambler.ru/incidents/44800888-rosgvardeets-iznasiloval-12-letnego-malchika/

                        I'm shocked! belay where does the migrant come from? Are you so uneducated that you don't know about the number of nationalities living in Russia?
                        Are you a Nazi and want to declare that anyone with a non-Slavic name is a migrant? You are not throwing ridges there yet? bully
                        By the way, we were immediately caught and convicted, in contrast to the same Britain where really migrants, from Iran, put pedophilia on stream due to the fact that the police turned a blind eye to it. here they are liberal values ​​and tolerance! good
                        Quote: serpent
                        Do not indulge yourself with illusions. Migrants won't do low-skilled jobs forever. Their number will rapidly increase, they will take positions in the security sector, in business (markets in large cities and so on), etc.

                        of course they will, if the younger generation, instead of studying and working, will whine about the poisoned bulk and go to rallies to protect the rights of Chechen gays ...
                        Quote: serpent
                        Get out! That is, instead of trying to return our clever people, as well as educating new ones, we will import strangers. Brilliant!

                        and those who returned from permanent residence abroad are not migrants? it's strange to hear this from someone who just wrote down a Russian citizen as a migrant laughing
                      2. snake
                        snake 13 September 2020 12: 27 New
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                        Quote: SanichSan
                        If somewhere in the Far East, a city-forming enterprise was covered back in the 90s and half of the city's population dumped, this means that in all of Russia there are complete seams with demography,

                        First: the conversation is taking place at the level of countries, not regions. And thirdly: all over Russia, and so full of seams with demographics. Except for the Caucasus, of course, but specifically the Russians (the state-forming people) are decreasing.
                        If you want to assess the problems in the EU on the example of Lithuania, how do you like the idea of ​​assessing the CIS and the CSTO on the example of Tajikistan?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Something among my friends with 3-7 children, there is no one who would beg in the trash heaps. something you are breaking

                        Perhaps your acquaintances are not middle class with 17 thousand, but rich people. But your friends (by the way, I should have written to you that they have 20-30 children - the Internet will endure everything) is not all Russia yet.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        the number of children is NOT associated with welfare in ANY way. it is a fact.

                        Not related in any way? Are you delusional? If the family is poor, then even with a strong desire, it will not be possible to adequately provide for many children. Here's a fact.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        ALL governments are controlled by moneybags. the question is how it affects the population. objectively, in Russia it is not the worst way. not the best, but not the worst either.

                        Against the background of stratification, when the poor get poorer and the rich get richer, it even affects the mood of the masses.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Are you so uneducated that you don't know about the number of nationalities living in Russia?
                        Are you a Nazi and want to declare that anyone with a non-Slavic name is a migrant? You are not throwing ridges there yet?

                        Where am I to you! And what does it have to do with it number nationalities? Nazi ... want to declare ... No, I'm not a Nazi. I want to say that you yourself do not understand what you are writing about. I myself do not have a Slavic name. Like you, we are dragging. And there is nothing to rub in about tolerance. That I, now I can not express my opinion about migrants and others responsible for a fair share of crime in the Russian Federation? Have you ever been to the police station on duty? Have you seen the stand "The police are looking for them"? Go see, dear anti-liberal. And then you can drop me an essay in a personal on the topic: "Crime has no nationality."
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        whine about the poisoned bulk and go to rallies to protect the rights of Chechen gays ...

                        Was there such a rally? Of course you are well informed, not like me ... Follow this topic, then ... Keep your finger on ... the pulse.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        as a migrant citizen of Russia recorded

                        Are you talking about this guardsman? So he is Tajik or Uzbek. Well, he received citizenship (citizenship of the Russian Federation is becoming easier and easier to get, which Asians do. This is not Switzerland, where you need to go through 9 circles of hell for naturalization), but he was born, most likely, in his SR.
                        An immodest question, can you? Are you in GCD or do you support? Or it seems to me ...
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 13 September 2020 13: 58 New
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                        Quote: serpent
                        First: the conversation is taking place at the level of countries, not regions.

                        I gave you an example of a country, but you are chasing some nonsense about the fact that "the country is not that" request
                        Quote: serpent
                        Perhaps your friends are not middle class with 17 thousand, but rich people.
                        naturally richer. for example a single mother with 4 children. receives about 30-40 and child support from her husband.
                        family of hippie hitchhikers with 7 children. husband is a programmer and earns about 70 a month.
                        single mother with 1 child. IP hairdresser at home. earns about 30-40 per month.
                        family with 4 children. husband is a builder, earns 40-70 per month depending on the workload. wife doesn't work.
                        a disabled single mother with 3 children. receives alimony and payments from the state. of those listed, only she got confused with payments.
                        and none of them is begging for trash.
                        Quote: serpent
                        If the family is poor, then even with a strong desire, it will not be possible to adequately provide for many children. Here's a fact.
                        the examples above suggest otherwise. if you wish, you can get a job in a free garden and a free school and an institute. what do you mean by "adequately provide"? elite gymnasium and Harvard tuition fees? if not, then higher education can be obtained free of charge, at least in Russia.
                        Quote: serpent
                        And what does the number of nationalities have to do with it? Nazi ... want to declare ... No, I'm not a Nazi.

                        no, it looks like you are a Nazi. you explicitly declare that any non-Russian is not a citizen of the Russian Federation, but a migrant.
                        check out the list of nationalities living in the Russian Federation:
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8
                        all these people are citizens of the Russian Federation. they are not migrants.
                        for reference, migrants (foreign citizens) account for about 2% of crimes. these are statistics.
                        in your example, the offender came on vacation, home to Perm and committed a crime at home. where does the migrants ???
                        Quote: serpent
                        Are you talking about this guardsman? So he is Tajik or Uzbek. Well, he received citizenship (citizenship of the Russian Federation is becoming easier and easier to get, which Asians do. This is not Switzerland, where you need to go through 9 circles of hell for naturalization), but he was born, most likely, in his SR.
                        you are definitely a Nazi ... and Dagestanis are not born in the Russian Federation? and the Chechens? And the Tatars in Kazan also "come in large numbers" and how did they get Russian citizenship for a couple of years? go already familiarize yourself with the ethnic composition of Russia, Ingushetia, the USSR and finally the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: serpent
                        An immodest question, can you? Are you in GCD or do you support? Or it seems to me ...

                        no, I am not and do not support. should ask the same question to you. that's why you are so actively drowning for the fact that all the evil in Russia is from the "non-Russians" ...
                      4. snake
                        snake 13 September 2020 15: 13 New
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                        Quote: SanichSan
                        I gave you an example of a country, but you are chasing some nonsense about the fact that "the country is not that"

                        You started to remember the far east.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        single mother with 1 child. IP hairdresser at home. earns about 30-40 per month.

                        The conversation was about large families?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        what do you mean by "adequately provide"? elite gymnasium and Harvard tuition fees?

                        Food, clothing, gadgets. Free school? How much does it cost to get a child to a free school?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        no, it looks like you are a Nazi. you explicitly declare that any non-Russian is not a citizen of the Russian Federation, but a migrant.

                        You lie as you breathe. Well, give me my line where I wrote something like that in plain text?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        you are definitely a Nazi ... and Dagestanis are not born in the Russian Federation? and the Chechens? And the Tatars in Kazan also "come in large numbers" and how did they get Russian citizenship for a couple of years?

                        You can at least try to repeat that I am a Nazi, but I will not become a Nazi from this. And the conversation is about Tajiks and Uzbeks (and they are not the titular nation of Russia), and not about Dagestanis and Chechens. I wouldn't sit down to play cards with you - you twist often.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        you are so actively drowning for the fact that all the evil in Russia is from the "non-Russians" ...

                        This is again a case of the so-called lies. You like to attribute to your opponent what he did not write, Mr.
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 13 September 2020 15: 41 New
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                        Quote: serpent
                        The conversation was about large families?

                        there besides this 3 more examples. do they not fit like Latvia? bully
                        Quote: serpent
                        Food, clothing, gadgets. Free school? How much does it cost to get a child to a free school?

                        I gave you examples of my friends. they have no problem with that.
                        Quote: serpent
                        You lie as you breathe. Well, give me my line where I wrote something like that in plain text?

                        Whose is this?
                        Quote: serpent
                        Have you seen the stand "The police are looking for them"? Go see, dear anti-liberal. And then you can send me an essay in PM on the topic: "Crime has no nationality".

                        who did it?
                        Quote: serpent
                        And a conversation about Tajiks and Uzbeks (and they are not the titular nation of Russia), and not about Dagestanis and Chechens.

                        bad cat! bad! you won't get a treat. no
                        by the way about Tajiks and Uzbeks. look at the wiki in the article on the ethnic composition of the Russian Federation. Uzbeks line 24, Tajiks line 29.
                        Quote: serpent
                        This is again a case of the so-called lies. You like to attribute to your opponent what he did not write, Mr.
                        in in. lies. You were not credited with anything, but asked a question.
                      6. snake
                        snake 13 September 2020 22: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        there besides this 3 more examples.

                        You made these examples up. And they got so carried away that a single mother with one child was pushed into her list. I can throw a pack of such examples right off the bat: Father is a deputy, salary - 400000 rubles. Mother is a housewife, salary - 0 rubles. 20 children. Well done, huh?
                        And how is that:
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        you plain text declare that anyone who is not Russian is not a citizen of the Russian Federationand a migrant.

                        looks like this:
                        Quote: serpent
                        Have you seen the stand "The police are looking for them"? Go see, dear anti-liberal. And then you can drop me an essay in a personal on the topic: "Crime has no nationality."

                        ?
                        Where are there common words at least? Where are the words "Russian", "migrant", "citizen"? Do you even blush behind the monitor when you write something like that?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        bad cat! bad! you won't get a treat.

                        Petrosyan is just not necessary. Humor is not your topic.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        by the way about Tajiks and Uzbeks.

                        This list is not titular peoples. Historically, Tajiks and Uzbeks did not live on the territory of Russia specifically before.
                        Here find Tajiks and Uzbeks after the line: Titular peoples of Russia
                        https://goturist.ru/narody-rossii/
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        You were not credited with anything, but asked a question.

                        It is necessary to write and express thoughts correctly. This is what?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        that's why you are so actively drowning for the fact that all the evil in Russia is from the "non-Russians" ...

                        Where is the question mark if it's a question? And so it is very similar to a statement. Maybe your name is not Alexander, but Dzhumabek? That would explain a lot ...
                      7. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 13 September 2020 23: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        You made these examples up.

                        oivivsevrete! wassat ha ha ha
                        is that all you can? the drain is accepted bully
                        Quote: serpent
                        Where are there common words at least? Where are the words "Russian", "migrant", "citizen"? Do you even blush behind the monitor when you write something like that?

                        why should I blush? it is you that criminality is tied to nationalities, and he poked you into that. or is it not you? is this your replacement? laughing
                        Quote: serpent
                        This list is not titular peoples.

                        list titular peoples? in Russia???
                        "The titular people, the titular nation: in international law - the people in whose honor the inhabited is named state. "
                        if you do not understand, then in Russia there is only one titular people, Russians. if you do not understand, reread the definition.
                        and so, you want to say that all other peoples are emigrants?
                        Quote: serpent
                        Historically, Tajiks and Uzbeks did not live on the territory of Russia specifically before.

                        lying or unknowingly write nonsense? your "earlier" is when? historically they lived on the territory of Russia and lived on the territory of the USSR and even lived on the territory of the Russian Empire. you for your "historically" in ancient Russia stomp.
                        Quote: serpent
                        Here find Tajiks and Uzbeks after the line: Titular peoples of Russia
                        https://goturist.ru/narody-rossii/

                        sorry what? on the website of the travel agency ??? well che, scientifically and authoritatively! laughing good
                        Quote: serpent
                        It is necessary to write and express thoughts correctly. This is what?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        that's why you are so actively drowning for the fact that all the evil in Russia is from the "non-Russians" ...

                        this is what some primitive forger who does not know how to wriggle out of this context:
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Quote: serpent
                        An immodest question, can you? Are you in GCD or do you support? Or it seems to me ...

                        no, I am not and do not support. should ask the same question to you. that's why you are so actively drowning for the fact that all the evil in Russia is from the "non-Russians" ...

                        do not know what kind of immoral type that distorts what is written by tearing it out of context? have already forgotten how to communicate without distorting or juggling? professional deformation of bartsun with a blister? laughing
                      8. snake
                        snake 14 September 2020 12: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        oivivsevrete! wassat ha ha ha
                        is that all you can? the drain is accepted bully

                        I fully admit that there are large families in Russia with normal income and upbringing. I know one myself. But the fact is that they are not enough to solve the problems of demography. And I don’t believe your examples, as well as your words, since you have repeatedly lied and misinterpreted my words. For example:
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        it is you who bind crime to nationalities, which is what poked you into

                        I suggested that you write an essay on the topic "Crime has no nationality." Did I mention any people and call them criminal? No and no again. But you look at some sentences and see others - those that you yourself want to see. And here's an example of what I'm talking about:
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        "The titular nation, the titular nation: in international law, the nation in whose honor the state inhabited by it is named."
                        if you do not understand, then in Russia there is only one titular people, Russians. if you do not understand, reread the definition.

                        Our state is called Rus? Russian Federation? Not. Russia / Russian Federation. In honor of whom? Russians. Who are the Russians? These are Russians, Tatars, Dagestanis, Yakuts, and many other peoples. As a schoolboy, you need to explain elementary things, by God ...
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        sorry what? on the website of the travel agency ??? well che, scientifically and authoritatively!

                        How far are we to the level of the greatest encyclopedia of all times and (title and not only) peoples!
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        do not know what kind of immoral type that distorts what is written by tearing it out of context?

                        I mentioned that you cannot articulate and write correctly.
                        What is this "oto" - what did you want to write, what word?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        from you are so actively drowning for the fact that all the evil in Russia is from the "non-Russians" ...

                        PS But in general, I want to say, you are a good person. There are few internationalists. Of course, I am not a Nazi, as you wrote, but I have some wariness towards representatives of another culture and religion. But you are a true humanist. You probably send your wife alone to Turkey on vacation with a light heart ... I don't let mine go anywhere. Crime today - bless you! And it goes without saying that there is complete internationalism in crime. There are no bad nations, there are bad people. And then there are all sorts of tolerants and xenophiles. Who is there not on our mother planet ...
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 10 September 2020 10: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Crown without virus
    The author is a little cunning ... he does not understand modern life ... I will give an example from the USSR ...

    after graduating from our university in his specialty, he was distributed to Zelenograd and immediately given a place in the hostel ...
    - you get married - right away you should have a one-room apartment in Zelenograd (if someone is not in the know - Zelenograd is considered Moscow since fig knows what time)
    - a child was born - the state immediately gives you a kopeck piece
    - the second was born - three rubles is put

    and this was in fact during the Soviet era.

    We probably lived in different USSR. In my USSR, in the capital of the Kyrgyz SSR, the city of Frunze (now Bishkek), it was very difficult to get an apartment, well, if you are not someone else's "matchmaker, brother, etc." There are practically no such examples as you have given here, in my memory (born in 1973), in the memory of my mother (born in 1951). request
  • Dmitry10SPb
    Dmitry10SPb 13 September 2020 12: 36 New
    0
    There, apparently, your key point is not "Zelenograd", not "in the USSR", but "our university". The university was most likely specific. Not cultural studies or philosophy. So don't generalize. Right now, "the state immediately gives an apartment." Agas. Without a 10-year queue for housing. Throw everything and go to Uryupinsk, no, to Zelenograd
  • Egoza
    Egoza 9 September 2020 18: 11 New
    +4
    Nothing! Well you yourself have brought the Arabs, now the Negroes will pile up and there will be such a population .... though there will be no Europeans, along with their values. And so - "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise"
    Py.Sy. I'm not talking about the Poles, here who will eat whom - the Ukrainians are Poles or vice versa. I'm wondering, but the Germans who lived in the GDR are now happy with "free Germany"? After all, they were so eager to tear down the wall!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 September 2020 18: 16 New
      +2
      In the future, under the pressure of all these newcomers in Europe, nationalists will win the elections - who will start to kill all these visitors, cancel visa-free travel and close the entire border, and then fascism will catch up.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 9 September 2020 18: 35 New
        -4
        Quote: Vadim237
        and then fascism will catch up.

        and Germany will go to jihad against the remnants of the Christian world and other atheists smile
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 9 September 2020 19: 33 New
        +4
        In the future, under the pressure of all these newcomers in Europe, nationalists will win the elections - who will start to kill all these visitors, cancel visa-free travel and close the entire border, and then fascism will catch up.


        I agree - I still observe this in Europe and Bulgaria. Although nationalism and conservatism are always in force in the Balkans. Well, maybe not exactly fascism, but it will be very similar to that. The short-sighted policies and neoliberalism of the EU will generate an inevitable reaction. By the way, the outer borders have been locked for a long time. Greek, our, Hungarian ...
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 9 September 2020 21: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        In the future, under the pressure of all these newcomers in Europe, nationalists will win the elections - who will start to kill all these visitors, cancel visa-free travel and close the entire border, and then fascism will catch up.

        For the first time, perhaps, I completely agree with you. In parallel with this situation, the revolution in Russia will develop and history will repeat itself ... in the form of a farce.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 September 2020 22: 04 New
          -1
          "In parallel with this situation, the revolution in Russia will develop and history will repeat itself ... in the form of a farce." To all revolutionaries and adherents of indistinct state transformations of the system - please contact psychiatrists, do not start the disease, treat it.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 9 September 2020 22: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            To all revolutionaries and adherents of indistinct state transformations of the system - please contact psychiatrists, do not start the disease, treat it.

            I'm not at all an adept .. but history is history and judging by your own conclusions about the future of Europe (and I agree with him), judging by history, everything will repeat itself and there will be a revolution in Russia ..
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 9 September 2020 18: 45 New
      +6
      And we will bring Central Asia, the better? Our government plans to increase the population in the coming years at the expense of migrants. And we all know where they come from.
      1. tatra
        tatra 9 September 2020 19: 11 New
        -1
        If the enemies of the communists, who are always cowardly "not to blame" for what they have done, and always "to do with" what they got after their capture of the USSR, would not have captured Russia, then, given that in 80 - the population of the RSFSR increased, on average, by a million people a year, now about 180 million people would live in Russia, and now, with all the millions who moved from the former republics of the USSR and the Crimeans, only 146 million people, and the Russian people are dying out at a tremendous pace, and is being replaced by Muslims.
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 9 September 2020 23: 53 New
          +1
          Yes, but among Russians, the birth rate per woman fell below 2g, and most of the increase in 60-70 was due to Middle Asia, not Slavic peoples, Russians, like other peoples, began a demographic transition. Although, the Soviets spoiled the demographics of Russians, due to the discrediting of religion and massive and rapid industrialization.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 September 2020 22: 06 New
        -2
        This year, this process has almost completely stopped.
    3. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 9 September 2020 21: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      I'm wondering, but the Germans who lived in the GDR are now happy with "free Germany"? After all, they were so eager to tear down the wall!

      Let me remind you that when the wall was torn down, these Germans were not asked about anything. This is the idea of ​​a tagged reptile who is now writing a memoir in the USA .. yes
      1. Dmitry10SPb
        Dmitry10SPb 13 September 2020 15: 51 New
        0
        You have a contradiction. In the word "wall". Or did we build this wall so that the West Germans would not break into their socialist paradise? No, was a wall built for another? And the role of the tagged personality in history is painfully exaggerated. The bottom line: some Germans are nostalgic for the old days. For some, the grass was greener then and they gave deffki, others heard that the state gave apartments and sports sections were free. But hardly anyone in the GDR wants it seriously.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 13 September 2020 17: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Dmitry10SPb
          Or did we build this wall so that the West Germans would not break into their socialist paradise? No, was a wall built for another?

          you do not know that there was a state border?
          Quote: Dmitry10SPb
          The bottom line: some Germans are nostalgic for the old days.

          not. the bottom line is thousands of closed factories and an army of unemployed, but some see only a couple of thousand clowns who were filmed jumping on the rubble of the wall. request
          Quote: Dmitry10SPb
          But hardly anyone in the GDR wants it seriously.
          everyone wants a stable job, a good salary and a quiet life, and the East Germans were stripped of all that when the wall was torn down. do you think they love it?
          1. Dmitry10SPb
            Dmitry10SPb 13 September 2020 20: 52 New
            0
            Border ... Do you know how many border violators valiant Karatsupa and his dog Hindu detained? The data is different. There are 247. How many of them fled from us? 246! So are the Germans. The wall was built because they fled FROM US TO HIM. From how it is. There is a problem with Ossi and Vessey. But the vast majority of Germans have successfully adapted to capitalism and the market. And there are almost no people who want to merge in ecstasy with the heirs of Honecker.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 13 September 2020 21: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Dmitry10SPb
              Border ... Do you know how many border violators valiant Karatsupa and his dog Hindu detained? The data is different. There are 247. How many of them fled from us? 246!

              and? what did you want to say? that propaganda worked better there? or that the intelligentsia cannot resist a jar of jam and a box of cookies?
              and so the prototype of James Bond was shot like a dog on the Soviet-Finnish border by Soviet border guards. bully
              Quote: Dmitry10SPb
              So are the Germans.

              which Germans? those that we got at 45? indeed, an amazing phenomenon! Why is it that the Germans from the Soviet zone of occupation, in which war criminals were caught and hanged, suddenly tried to escape to the western zone of occupation, where they were gladly taken to work for the intelligence services of Western countries and were quite well suited.
              Quote: Dmitry10SPb
              The wall was built because they fled FROM US TO HIM.

              Who are they? let's take the population of the GDR and the number of defectors. there, and 1% of the population will not be typed. what did you want to say? that some marginals fled to the west because there is gum and beautiful cars? Well, there are still enough fools. over there Pavlensky went to France for freedom and there he wanders between the prison and the fool. and here you are trying to pass these Pavlenskih as the entire population of the GDR ??? belay very sluggish and dull propaganda wink today will not even work for a student.
              Quote: Dmitry10SPb
              And there are almost no people who want to merge in ecstasy with the heirs of Honecker.

              oh how! decided on your own behalf for the entire German people? don't you take on a lot? bully
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 9 September 2020 21: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      Here are the Germans who lived in the GDR, are now satisfied with "free Germany"? After all, they were so eager to tear down the wall!

      Not happy. And there is a lot of confirmation of this on YouTube, where East Germans talk and nostalgic about the GDR
      Quote: Egoza
      I'm not talking about the Poles, here who will eat whom - the Ukrainians are Poles or vice versa. I'm curious

      And this is not good .. Ukrainians are our people .. and it should be interesting about them, otherwise they will definitely become Poles .. forever.
      1. truck driver
        truck driver 10 September 2020 01: 20 New
        0
        Forget about the Ukrainians, after Crimea and Donbass they are no longer yours forever ...
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 10 September 2020 08: 56 New
          0
          oh, okay, 50% are definitely okay with Russia
          1. truck driver
            truck driver 10 September 2020 09: 08 New
            0
            I would say 15% percent is no more and not to Russia as a state, but to Russian people at the everyday level.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 10 September 2020 09: 30 New
              0
              who conducted the survey? maybe the Russian authorities are treated badly, but in general it is normal just that the majority are afraid to speak out
              1. truck driver
                truck driver 10 September 2020 21: 46 New
                0
                I spent in Kiev with friends and acquaintances.
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 11 September 2020 07: 57 New
                  -1
                  I have relatives in the Dnieper and Kharkiv, they don't like Putin, but they treat Russians normally
                  1. truck driver
                    truck driver 12 September 2020 03: 28 New
                    0
                    Firstly, no one is afraid to speak out, and secondly, all this is subjective, relatives will not tell you the truth either, so as not to offend you specifically. This is the case, the Russians consider Ukraine their enemies, we are also Russia. But when it comes to a particular person, then first of all they look at his behavior and the reaction depends on it. But in general, there is a negative attitude towards Russia due to the treacherous stab in the back - the capture of Crimea and part of the Donbass, an excuse, they say we saved Russians or Russian-speaking people there, they do not stand up to criticism from normal residents of Ukraine, they would like to help - they would help, but they snatched it a piece on the live, now because of this our paths, I hope they parted forever.
  • Mishanya 74
    Mishanya 74 9 September 2020 18: 12 New
    +6
    Today, only the news was in the Russian Federation for 7 months, more than 300 thousand.
    So it's not up to Poland like that
  • parusnik
    parusnik 9 September 2020 18: 17 New
    +8
    A consumer society, subject to extinction, money cannot solve the issue, a society of creators, creators are required ..
  • fn34440
    fn34440 9 September 2020 18: 22 New
    14
    In Russia, the situation is even worse. The son, in Maryino, went to the 5th grade. Of the 32 fellow practitioners, 18 are non-Slavs.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 9 September 2020 18: 36 New
      -1
      Russia for Russians and Moscow for Muscovites
      1. tatra
        tatra 9 September 2020 19: 16 New
        -1
        Moscow is a city of nonresidents. Under the communists, the population of Moscow increased by 7-8 times, mainly due to people who moved to Moscow from villages and other cities. And under the enemies of the communists, Moscow is a city for officials, office plankton, guest workers.
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 September 2020 19: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: fn34440
      In Russia, the situation is even worse. The son, in Maryino, went to the 5th grade. Of the 32 fellow practitioners, 18 are non-Slavs.


      Aryans?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 September 2020 22: 07 New
        +1
        Exactly true Aryans.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 9 September 2020 23: 23 New
        0
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: fn34440
        In Russia, the situation is even worse. The son, in Maryino, went to the 5th grade. Of the 32 fellow practitioners, 18 are non-Slavs.


        Aryans?

        Well, say thank you that at least not Arabs or, worse, African Americans.
    3. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 9 September 2020 20: 06 New
      0
      Of the 32 fellow practitioners, 18 are non-Slavs.
      Did not think to transport, but what kind of study in such situations?
    4. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 9 September 2020 23: 50 New
      0
      Migration School? Simply, such classes on Moscow are like spitting into the water. Usually, 80-85 are Russian.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 September 2020 18: 27 New
    -5
    "Poland is dying out" (c) And they are also going to fight. Unbearable or what? They are in a hurry to free up territories for new Europeans.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 9 September 2020 18: 32 New
      11
      Not only, all "white" countries, since the 60s, have ceased to reproduce, their numbers are steadily decreasing. At the same time, in Asia (especially in Islamic countries, as well as in China and India), Latin America and Africa, the population is growing rapidly. Our situation is no better than the European one.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 September 2020 19: 20 New
        +2
        Why was China put in this row here? They, like the Japanese and Koreans, have one of the lowest fertility rates in the world. In China, a country with a population of almost 1 billion, only 400-15 million children are born a year. In Latin America, the situation is very different from country to country. High fertility in countries with a high percentage of Indians, mestizos, blacks, mulattoes.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 9 September 2020 18: 27 New
    +2
    achieve the enthronement of the same "wonderful" principles and ideas in our country

    You might think that "values" have bypassed us ???
    So then we, so far, are many, but we are dying out just like everyone else !!!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 9 September 2020 18: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      but we are dying out just like everyone else !!!

      and the value system with the letter "I" in the center is the same, I am EGO in Greek.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 September 2020 19: 18 New
        0
        So I am the last letter of the alphabet ... but, just not in our world, in our time.
    2. dranthqu
      dranthqu 9 September 2020 18: 39 New
      +3
      So the question is: what is it that Russians, Germans, British, Greeks, Finns, Canadians, Australians, Chinese and Japanese have in common? Values? Maybe something else?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 September 2020 19: 17 New
        0
        If the Chinese are pushed aside, the rest have one thing in common, we die out with.
        1. Terrible
          Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 21: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          If the Chinese are pushed aside

          Why on earth? They have incredible aging rates and the abolition of the one-child policy is just a desperate attempt to make a difference.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 September 2020 22: 00 New
            -1
            This is understandable .... but they have RESERVES that we never dreamed of.
            And the fact that urban youth is fixated on themselves loved ones !!!
            So it is everywhere!
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 9 September 2020 18: 28 New
    +3
    Demographic problems in the country arise when the government does not give a damn about its country and its people, and instead of providing jobs for its own, they invite gaster to work, chasing dubious savings on salaries, which goes sideways to states and indigenous people.
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 9 September 2020 23: 55 New
      0
      Nonsense, the essence of giving birth to 5-7 children has simply disappeared, as the survival rate among children is very low and so much work is not needed, it is better to give birth to 1 and raise appropriate ones than to have 5-7 street children.
  • datura23
    datura23 9 September 2020 18: 37 New
    -1
    who prevents you from having children?
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 September 2020 19: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: datura23
      who prevents you from having children?


      Nature. Guys don't give birth.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 9 September 2020 21: 21 New
        0
        Quote: sergo1914
        Nature. Guys don't give birth.

        and these men generally have nothing to do with the process? or do they have? well do your part! wink
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 10 September 2020 00: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: SanichSan
          Quote: sergo1914
          Nature. Guys don't give birth.

          and these men generally have nothing to do with the process? or do they have? well do your part! wink


          So twice already. Enough.
  • NF68
    NF68 9 September 2020 18: 40 New
    +4
    It was bad 23-30 years ago. The author did not report anything new.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 9 September 2020 18: 49 New
    0
    First, let their tolerance straddle, looking at the painted brethren in feathers and heels is simply disgusting!
  • fn34440
    fn34440 9 September 2020 19: 12 New
    +2
    Demographic problems in the USSR began with the coming to Power of Misha Marked with his Raismanda Maksudovna. They worsened, significantly, by Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, and became entrenched with his abdication of power and the opening of borders for guest workers of all stripes and colors of the rainbow.
    According to forecasts, after 2-5o, a man named Tamerlane will come to Power in Russia.
    If the regression of Russian demography continues at such a pace.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 September 2020 22: 10 New
      -2
      It won't come - and yes, in the RSFSR, abortions were done 8 times more than now in Russia.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 September 2020 19: 14 New
    0
    Strange, what did they expect from LGBT people?
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 9 September 2020 19: 17 New
    +2
    During Putin's rule, the population in Russia has decreased by at least 8 million people. Therefore, we have the same problems, to the delight of the Chinese.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 9 September 2020 19: 27 New
    +4
    Whether in a Muslim, in a Jewish, or in a Chinese (before 1949 and recently) families, children are investments in the future, the support of the family, the continuation of the family. Therefore, such families have many children. Minimum 3, and sometimes up to 12.
    In a European family (including in Russia), children are a huge responsibility, a distraction from a career, difficulties, large expenses, etc. etc. Accordingly, there are a maximum of 3 children in such families, sometimes 2, and more often 1. For 70 years there has been a steady extinction of the white European race. In 100 years, a white person with blue eyes will be an extraordinary rarity.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 September 2020 21: 04 New
      +9
      Now, this comment is closer to the truth.
      Capitalism. Desire for excess profits by lowering wages. Mass strikes, workers go into fights with strikebreakers. Oh, are you so? Emancipation. The entry of women to work is rapidly increasing the number of offered labor force and leads to a sharp, but hidden decrease in wages. The pay seems to be growing, but each new generation discovers that, due to the continuously growing inflation, it is poorer than the previous one. The money is sorely lacking. As a result, there are fewer and fewer non-working wives, and more and more employed.
      And finally, an era comes when almost all women work ...

      Do you think it's easy to combine three jobs - for the employer, husband and children?
      The number of children in the family is starting to decline. Some worry and grumble. Anxiety is growing among demographers.
      And then, so that women do not suddenly realize the catastrophe and return to their main mission - husband, children, family, and men so that they do not realize their mission - father, protector, breadwinner of the family, that is, so that the surplus of labor in the labor market is not disappeared, insidious and vile social technologies begin to work in the form of pumping with immorality: woman, you deserve this and that, allow yourself everything, even change sex, man, change sex. Pumping with egoism, narcissism, the growth of individualistic sentiments, the promotion of sybarism among the poor. Yes, I can't afford a Cadillac, but something locally assembled, right? Yes! - shouts advertising, - you can and should, you are not worse than others! And now the birth of a child has been postponed. After all, the same advertisement says that it is very expensive, so a car is better ...
      And if the work is from time to time? If education is shitty?
      A complex of reasons generated by the structure of life in a capitalist paradise.
      And now marriage is becoming unfashionable.
      And now laws are being adopted such that a man thinks deeply: to marry or not? ...
      Money. Money that must endlessly flow into the infinitely deep capitalist basement ...
      But the old predators are being replaced by generations of new ones, even more sophisticated in cannibalism. There is a surplus of population on earth! Automation! Robots! Do you want an artificial wife? Woman, why do you need a natural man? The artificial one will satisfy any of your fantasies!
      And let's put the population on imputed income - let's!
      And let's give the imputed income only to some, and who is a penalty box, so the one - reduced - come on!
      Let's...
    2. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 9 September 2020 23: 57 New
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      No, due to the development of European culture, the Europeans began a demographic transition earlier, this transition will certainly reduce the population by 2 times, but eventually the population will settle down. In Asian countries, it began in the same way, for example, among the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese, the birth rate is lower than even among most European peoples. Japan is already massively decreasing its population, like Korea, China is just beginning. The only one whose demographic transition is just beginning is among the peoples of Africa. But they will come to this too.
    3. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 9 September 2020 23: 58 New
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      And about blue-eyed, it's a matter of confusion, not population decline. As dark genes are dominant, light genes are recessive.
  • Avior
    Avior 9 September 2020 19: 32 New
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    On the one hand, they began to live well and children, as a guarantee of survival in old age, ceased to be a necessity, and they began to live poorly - they do not want to bear the costs of children.
    Contraception again works wonders - the further the more.
    Result - we die out: ((((
    The appearance of children must be stimulated. All the same, the appearance of a child seriously reduces the quality of life, if the state and society are interested, the individual needs to compensate.
    Now there are benefits for children, to which we can add benefits in the form of an increase to the pension for parents in their old age if they have children, provided that you have not been deprived of parental rights and your children have not left the country.
    Mother - compulsory special insurance for diseases associated with pregnancy and childbirth and their consequences.
    It is possible to settle some issues during divorce, I read that every second family in Russia divorces within two years, to strengthen incentives for married couples in the form of compensation for part of the interest on mortgages, and other benefits.
    It is good that the single mother is supported, it is bad that the preservation of the family is not stimulated in any way.
    On the other hand, in a divorce, men give a third of their income for two children, and this pushes him away from his second marriage and children, and some from the first, too, the situation is strange and does not stimulate the birth of children. Is one of the favorite topics on Yandex Zen. :)
    Many difficulties: (((
  • Revolver
    Revolver 9 September 2020 19: 33 New
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    Why finally have children? It is a troublesome, expensive business, and the exit is a hassle, a phone call every hundred years. While children were the only pension plan and long-term care coverage, they tried to give birth to more so that by old age they would not remain lying under the fence in their own shit. And now? Income? State pension plus who has private savings. Care? Nursing homes, who have enough to pay for which and who can afford, then individual home care. How do children fit into this? No way, but if you count what they cost from birth and education, this is just the difference between a "normal" and a "good" nursing home, or even individual care.
    It was we, the bad ones, who brought up children and dragged them to the heights of education and generally tried to make them "harmonious versatile personalities" sparing no time and money.
    It was we, the bad ones, who tried to alleviate the old age of our parents to the best of our ability. I don't know how in the Russian Federation, but in the USA you can get a lot from the social security system, but this must be done, it is not easy, and everything is in English (you can also in Spanish, but this is a different topic), but not in Russian, and it just so happened that it fell on me, my brother lives on the other side of the country.
    But this is us. This is how we were brought up. What about children? Will they be willing to pull their children in the same way? Will they have time for the elderly, i.e. what will happen sooner or later with all of us? We raised them as best we could, but the environment shapes people more strongly than parents.
    So save money for your old age. They, unlike children, will not throw you. And children, if they know that they have something to inherit, will be more interested in making sure that no one, using the weakened brains of the elderly, shakes out of them what they are counting on. Well, pray to God that Kondraty will visit you before Alzheimer's.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 9 September 2020 21: 28 New
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      Quote: Nagan
      Why finally have children? It is a troublesome, expensive business, and at the exit there is no more, a phone call every hundred years.

      but not raising children? not necessary? well then yes. maybe they will also poison them so that they can get an apartment faster yes
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 9 September 2020 23: 16 New
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        Quote: SanichSan
        but not raising children? not necessary? well then yes. maybe they will also poison them so that they can get an apartment faster

        We have two of them. The eldest is in the 3rd year of a very expensive private college, and her education will cost us a cool, even by American standards, wheelbarrow (well, for example, a fancy Gelik). The youngest in the 10th grade (there are 12 of them here). Where will it go next? I don’t know, but the limiter is not the ability of parents to pay, but their own abilities. We'll pay what you need. There is no budget option here at all, from the word "absolutely".
        They raised us as best they could, how they knew how our parents raised us, though adjusted for the American reality of the XNUMXst century - where can you get away from it? They have an example of how we did not abandon our parents in old age to the mercy of fate. Do I rely on them as a support in old age? Yes. Am I counting? Not.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 9 September 2020 23: 45 New
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          Quote: Nagan
          They raised us as best they could, how they knew how our parents raised us, though adjusted for the American reality of the XNUMXst century - where can you get away from it?

          parenting, family first! otherwise they will be raised by the street, school, institute, army, etc., and there will be no place for a family in his life. request
          I hope you did it right.
          Quote: Nagan
          Do I rely on them as a support in old age? Yes. Am I counting? Not.

          Trust in God, but don't do it yourself! yes
  • KSVK
    KSVK 9 September 2020 22: 51 New
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    Quote: Vadim237
    This year, this process has almost completely stopped.

    Well yes. The borders are closed. And from the other side. Ours are ready to accept. We need to fix the demography. am
  • Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 9 September 2020 23: 41 New
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    Low fertility is only a consequence of education. The more educated and smarter a person is, the fewer, if any, children he has. For an intelligent and educated person knows how to control his instincts, direct them in the right direction, or find alternatives that do not lead to the creation of a family or the continuation of such a family, even within the family. I repeat once again, the main enemy of fertility is education and knowledge. A smart, intelligent, educated, well-read person does not want to have an army of children. Most often, one or two are enough for them. Or even no one at all. For for such people, the meaning of life is not in children.

    Everything else, in the face of religion, state. device, social system, culture, education and others, has an indirect impact and significance.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 10 September 2020 07: 18 New
    +1
    If you want to increase the birth rate, link the retirement age and the amount of pensions to the number of children, and not to incomprehensible coefficients.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 September 2020 07: 38 New
    +1
    Nobody argues - family values ​​have already been violated. Men go to aging women, girls marry old people. Demographics can be predicted, but it is almost impossible to influence. It has already been noticed that population growth occurs after wars, serious diseases. The pandemic did not play a critical decrease in the population. the ban on abortion is possible only if a woman develops a healthy fetus, otherwise extinction.
  • Morris812
    Morris812 10 September 2020 08: 03 New
    +1
    Capitalism stubbornly educated the consumer society, and so it did. In today's consumer society, any child is just a black pit that eats up money that the "ideal consumer" could spend on himself. So it is quite natural that the "consumer" does not want children - they will start dragging money from him from the moment of conception. It is good when the "consumer" is rich and can easily afford to indulge not only himself, but also one, second, third child. But such an overwhelming minority, and not only in our country, but also in the West.
    You say there are Muslims there, all kinds of Asians in backward countries. Yes, it is just that consumer capitalism has not yet reached them, and children for them are an expansion of their clan, connections, cash receipts. But only until they get into the modern consumer society. And there, after a couple of generations, they will be turned into an "ideal consumer", and they will not need any children.
    Hence the moral: in the modern capitalist consumer world, children are a costly burden. So there is no way out until this whole system collapses)
  • serg v zapase
    serg v zapase 11 September 2020 12: 28 New
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    I read the opinion of the author, based on some kind of incomprehensible scientific data. I don't understand, but I support. However, not so many new unemployed people have been brought to Germany. This country can digest 5 times more. Second, the "refugees" are entitled to payments, this money is enough to buy the most necessary things, and this is a wonderful channel for returning money to the economy, the country also has a bonus from refugees. If this money were distributed to the local population, the economy would not have received it back soon. As for the Germans themselves, it is not so bad about the new Germans - in families of two or three children. The marriageable age is increasing everywhere, for example, in Russia. This does not happen from a good life and not from the attitude "to live for oneself" - the consequences of capitalism that has come to us.
  • wow
    wow 11 September 2020 14: 19 New
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    The worst part is that all this colored guide does not want to study, work and perceive all the fundamental "values" of the country to which they have landed. They only need to devour, drink and rob! Yes ...., and more, give birth to more of their own kind of freaks! Welcome to the Russian North! there it will be very "comfortable" for you! We are waiting for 'c!
  • seacap
    seacap 11 September 2020 14: 22 New
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    We have already got these publications, media and TV shows with news where there is no news on the principle of "myself", but there ..., but they have ... Look out the window? It's so scary to talk about yourself, so scary to be deprived of the feeding trough, that you dare not hear a sound about yourself and your country, except for rain and snow, or is any report about our country a nightmare and an indicator of state weakness and the failure of the authorities? And that whole neighborhoods in the capital are inhabited by Negroes and immigrants from the East, when in the central regions of Kursk, Ryazan and others, instead of villages, there are already auls and villages, when only a few remaining residents are told there - get out of here, this is our land, not to mention the Far East and Siberia, where not only is the wealth of a once mighty power being barbarously destroyed, but also the indigenous population is being replaced by migrants from the South-East. Those. the policy of clearing territories from the indigenous population (genocide) is in full swing and according to plan according to the strategy of war, the substitution of historical cultural values, the destruction of education and traditional upbringing, the propaganda and imposition of someone else's morality and traditions, goals and personality criteria, instead of a community of people, the creation of a social estate building. All this is done by forces and under the control of the colonial administration under the guise of national institutions of power and mythical democracy. So what is better for us than for them? As in my philistine opinion, it is even worse and sadder, and the prospects for the revival of a great civilization and its culture are diminishing rapidly.
  • megavolt823
    megavolt823 12 September 2020 11: 34 New
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    Boys and girls! For those who do not oppose. The USSR is a maximum of 200. Europe is from 000 million to 0000 million. 400 Europes can be placed on the territory of Russia. Now draw conclusions about who is dying out.
    1. Rage66
      Rage66 17 September 2020 11: 56 New
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      "In Russia, the permafrost zone occupies 60-65% of the territory, mainly Siberia and Transbaikalia: from the Kola Peninsula to the east, almost along the Arctic Circle to the Urals, then to the east and south, with the exception of the south of Kamchatka, Sakhalin Island, Primorye and some more areas. "
      Have you heard anything about it?
      There are no large settlements in Finland, Sweden, Norway, in the north. The population of Greenland is 76.000 people, the population of Alaska is 738.000 people (for comparison, 737.000 people live in Chukotka).
  • Rage66
    Rage66 17 September 2020 11: 47 New
    +1
    The Turks tell the Germans: "In 20 years we will capture you without weapons" ... And now there are Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis ... And the Germans, like a movie, watch with popcorn ...
    1. megavolt823
      megavolt823 18 September 2020 11: 23 New
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      Germany is a little over 80 leams. Where there are more than 50 Germans. For reference and development. In the United States, the bulk of the army is blacks and Latinos and each creature has a pair. And there are almost no Anglo-Saxons in the rank and file. France keeps a whole bunch of legionnaires, for a passport and a pension. And it's not easy to get there. Europe has been living on aborigines for 500 years. They are not that simple.