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Torpedo SET-53: Soviet "totalitarian", but real

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March 7, 2019 Facebook "Marynarka Wojenna RP" (Polish Navy) has published recent photos of practical torpedo firing of SET-53ME torpedoes.


Given the negative attitude in Poland towards everything Soviet and "totalitarian" and the many years of transition to NATO standards, the fact seems surprising. But actually no. Poland, of course, has "modern NATO torpedoes" - the "latest and greatest" small-sized MU90 torpedoes. It seems to be there ... because the Poles shoot them only as torpedo shells.

Torpedo SET-53: Soviet "totalitarian", but real

Like this. A totalitarian communist torpedo, though ancient, is real. And it still finds its place in the weapons system of a NATO member country in the 50st century. A striking example of the longevity of a complex technical model of military technology developed back in the XNUMXs of the last century!

The topic of the first domestic homing torpedoes was previously considered in a number of articles and books by both specialists and civil authors. At the same time, all these publications were not just incomplete, but had the character of a description of events without attempts to analyze the development progress, the logic of decisions made and the results obtained (positive and negative). At the same time, the lessons and conclusions of the first domestic anti-submarine torpedo SET-53 are still relevant.

Birth


Research on the creation of the first domestic anti-submarine torpedo began at the Scientific Research Mine and Torpedo Institute (NIMTI) of the Navy in 1950.

The main technical problem was not just the creation of torpedoes with a two-plane homing system (CLS), but the definition of such technical solutions that would ensure the coordination of its parameters with the maneuverable capabilities of the torpedo and the target, while ensuring its guidance to a fairly low-noise submarine (PL) maneuvering in two planes ...

The task of hitting submarines with torpedoes at that time had already been successfully solved in the West; the F24 Fido air torpedo was successfully used during the fighting in World War II. The problem was the extremely low success rate of homing torpedoes at that time. This raises the question of comparing the scientific and technical level of the United States and Germany. Despite the fact that the USA successfully created (and used in battle) an anti-submarine torpedo (in contrast to Germany, which had only anti-ship homing torpedoes), the level of US development still lagged significantly behind Germany, since what the USA had , was obtained on low-speed torpedoes. In Germany, at that time, a colossal amount of R&D was carried out to create homing torpedoes with high performance characteristics (including speed).

In the funds of the Central Naval Library there is a 1947 translated report by the employee of the "Special Technical Bureau of the USSR Navy" (Sestroretsk, "captured Germans" worked) Gustav Glode on the organization of torpedo R&D in Germany. At the torpedo test station, up to 90 test shots (!) Of torpedoes per day reached. In fact, the Germans had a "conveyor" for the preparation and testing of torpedoes and the analysis of their results. At the same time, G. Glode's conclusions were of a critical nature, for example, about the erroneous choice of the German Navy's equal-signal direction finding method of the CCH instead of the more complex phase method, which, however, in the complex of all conditions of use in a torpedo gave a significant gain (providing much more accurate targeting and the possibility of a significant reduction in the volume of field tests).

The first domestic post-war CLNs were completely based on German developments, but their results were perceived by us without deep analysis. For example, the main technical solutions (including the operating frequency of the homing system is 25KHz) of the TV torpedo SSN "survived" with us until the early 90s in the SAET-50, SAET-60 (M) torpedoes and, partially, in the SET -53


At the same time, we have completely ignored the experience of the Second World War in terms of the use of the first hydroacoustic countermeasures (SGPD), towed torpedo deflectors of the Foxer type.

The German Navy, having gained experience in the use of torpedoes in the conditions of using Foxers, came to telecontrol (remote control of torpedoes from a submarine via a wire, today instead of a wire a fiber-optic cable is used) of torpedoes and the abandonment of the original equal-signal direction finding method (implemented in the T- torpedo V) to the new SSN in the "Lerche" torpedo with the differential-maximum method of direction finding ("scanning" along the horizon with a single directional pattern was realized due to the rotating "curtain" of the receiver). The point of using this method in the "Lerch" was to ensure the separation of the noise of the target and the towed "Foxer" by the guidance operator (torpedo telecontrol).

Having received the German torpedo groundwork for R&D after the war, we practically repeated TV - in our version of the SAET-50, but the first tests showed that this approach is inapplicable for an anti-submarine torpedo. Guidance errors were obtained with which the probability of hitting the submarine was unacceptably small.

There was neither time nor resources for a huge volume of tests (according to the "German model"). Under these conditions, the head of the topic at NIMTI V.M. it was decided to conduct "stop" tests of the CLS ("post-stop" tests with "hanging" samples of CLS torpedoes were called bathyspheric).

What is the essence of such tests? The fact is that instead of launching a torpedo from the ship, its homing system is immersed in the water and it is actually tested "on weight". This method allows you to significantly speed up the passage of tests, but at the cost of less proximity of their conditions to real conditions in a moving torpedo.

The option of the equipment, selected according to the results of stop tests, is a passive system that "operates" on an equal-signal principle in the vertical plane (similar to TV and SAET-50) and maximum differential in the horizontal plane, which also confirmed its capabilities during tests of an experimental model on a running dummy torpedo.


Note: indicated in the work of Korshunov Yu.L. and Strokova A.A. the maximum method in the vertical plane (and equal-signal in the horizontal one) was implemented already on subsequent versions of torpedoes (with modified control devices), and initially the "receiver with a shutter" worked precisely "horizontally". At the same time, for its work, an ethylene glycol medium was needed (with the corresponding "personnel losses"). R. Gusev:

“At the acoustics, the light on it converged like a wedge: only in its environment did the soldered rotating shutter of the receiving device produce a minimum level of acoustic interference and, therefore, ensure the maximum response range of the homing equipment. And this ethylene glycol was a cool poison and had, unfortunately, the chemical formula C2H4 (OH) 2. "

SET-53 became the first domestic torpedo, in which the problem of ensuring high maneuverability of the torpedo in the vertical plane was solved. Prior to it, the maximum trim angle of our torpedoes was 7 degrees, which were provided by the hydrostatic apparatus of the Italian 53F torpedo of the early 20s (which became 53-58 in our country and which has survived to this day practically unchanged in the 53-65K torpedo in service with the Russian Navy) ...

Two versions of the system were developed: in the form of a bellows-pendulum device and a hydrostatic closure. Both systems have successfully passed field tests on mock-ups. When transferring work to industry, the choice fell on a bellows-pendulum device.

The depth of travel (search) of the torpedoes was introduced mechanically - by rotating the depth spindle. At the same time, the limitation of the "bottom" (the maximum depth of torpedo maneuvering) was introduced automatically as a doubled search depth (about the problems of such a solution - below).

To ensure the explosion of an explosive charge (HE), in addition to two new contact fuses UZU (unified ignition device), an active electromagnetic circular fuse was installed, the emitting coil of which protruded from the hull in the aft part (similar to TV and SAET-50), and the receiving housed in the combat loading compartment of the torpedo.

In 1954, NIMTI specialists carried out stop and sea trials of an experimental torpedo. The results confirmed the possibility of creating a torpedo with given tactical and technical characteristics.

Thus, the most difficult technical problem was successfully solved by NIMTI in the shortest possible time, and the main role here was played by the bathyspheric tests.

In 1955, to complete the development and deployment of serial production, all work was transferred to the industry, NII-400 (the future Central Research Institute "Gidropribor") and the "Engine" plant. The chief designer of the torpedo was first appointed V.A.Golubkov (the future chief designer of the SET-65 torpedo), in the same 1955 he was replaced by the more experienced V.A.Polikarpov.

Explanation: NIMTI, as a body of the Navy, could only conduct research work (R&D) with the creation of experimental samples and testing them. To organize the serial production of weapons and military equipment (AME), experimental design work (R&D) is required already in industry, with the development of working design documentation (RCD) for a model of AME for a series, and it meets all special requirements ("the impact of external factors": impact , climate, etc.). There is an unofficial definition of the ROC: "verification during testing of the design documentation for a prototype to ensure its further serial production."

In 1956, the Dvigatel plant manufactured 400 prototypes of torpedoes using the developed at NII-8 RKD, and their preliminary (PI) tests began at the sites of Ladoga and the Black Sea.

In 1957, state tests (GI) of the torpedo were carried out (a total of 54 shots were fired). According to Korshunov and Strokov, state tests were carried out on Ladoga, which raises some doubts, since the requirements of the GI unambiguously require firing from carriers (submarines and surface ships) and a complete check of the specified tactical and technical requirements for a torpedo, which is possible only under conditions fleets.

Some of their details are of interest.

One of the main tasks of the tests was to assess the accuracy of the output of the torpedo to the target. It was verified in two stages. First, they fired at a stationary emitter simulating a target. The accuracy of passing on these firing was assessed using a special marker of the place of passage of a torpedo (OMP), which reacts to the electromagnetic field with a non-contact fuse. Conventional light nets were used as additional control. The torpedoes in their cells left clear breakthroughs. The WMD data and the network breakthroughs showed sufficient coincidence. At the second stage, the shooting was carried out at a moving noise source - an emitter mounted on a torpedo traveling at a speed of 14,5 knots. The pointing accuracy at this stage was assessed purely qualitatively.

The episode with nets and weapons of mass destruction most likely belongs to the stage of preliminary tests, but the episode with the "torpedo with emitter" is very interesting. In view of the significant overweight of our torpedoes, they cannot walk slowly: they need high speed simply to carry their weight (due to the angle of attack and lift on the hull).

All, except for SET-53, which had near-zero buoyancy (and in the first modification - positive buoyancy). Most likely, the target simulator was made just on the basis of SET-53, with the installation of a mechanical noise emitter instead of the combat charging compartment (BZO). Those. On the basis of SET-53, the first domestic self-propelled hydroacoustic countermeasure (GPD) device was made.

In 1958, the first domestic anti-submarine torpedo was put into service. The torpedo was named SET-53. Its subsequent modernization was carried out under the leadership of G.A.Kaplunov.

In 1965, a group of specialists who took part in the creation of the first domestic anti-submarine torpedo, including V. M. Shakhnovich and V. A. Polikarpov, was awarded the Lenin Prize. Among the subsequent works of V. M. Shakhnovich, it is necessary to note the research work "Jeyran" at the beginning of the 60s, which determined the appearance and direction of the main domestic SSN for surface targets with vertical tracking of the wake.


A question that has little coverage both in the media and in special literature is modifications of the SET-53 torpedo and its real performance characteristics. Usually called the SET-53M torpedo with a silver-zinc battery and increased speed and range, but the question is much more complicated.

In fact, modifications of the torpedo went according to serial numbers (without an end-to-end numbering system, that is, each new modification of the torpedo came from a "near zero number").


Torpedo SET-53 went into series:

- with a lead-acid battery B-6-IV (46 elements - from the ET-46 torpedo) with a PM-5 3MU electric motor and a speed of 23 knots for a cruising range of 6 km;

- with "numbered BZO", i.e. specific combat charging compartments were rigidly "tied" to specific torpedoes (the receiving circuit of the proximity fuse was "broken": its inductance (coils) were in the BZO, and the capacitance (capacitors) - separately, in the amplifying unit of the proximity fuse in the torpedo battery compartment);

- with a single-spindle head of the heading device (ie the ability to enter only the "omega" angle - the first turn of the torpedo after the shot);

- with BZO with TGA-G5 explosives (weighing slightly less than 90kg) and two UZU fuses;

- with SSN with the maximum differential direction finding method in the horizontal plane and equal signal - vertical with an antenna covered with a metal fairing.

Subsequent changes to torpedoes in the series.

Torpedoes with numbers from 500 received unified and interchangeable BZOs.

Torpedoes with numbers from 800 received a 3-spindle head of the heading device with the ability to set the angles "omega" (angle of the first turn), "alpha-stroke" (angle of the second turn) and Ds (distance between them). Due to this, it became possible to form a torpedo salvo with a parallel course of the "comb" of torpedoes to increase the examined CLS of the “strip” and the possibility of switching on the CLO of the torpedo already after passing the distance DS (“shooting for interference”).


Torpedoes with numbers from 1200 received the 242.17.000 roll-leveling device from the AT-1 torpedo, which improved the operating conditions of the SSN (SET-53K torpedo).

Torpedoes with numbers from 2000 received a silver-zinc storage battery (STSAB) TS-4 (3 blocks of 30 elements each from a practical torpedo SAET-60) (torpedo SET-53M - 1963). The speed increased to 29 knots, the range was up to 14 km.

Approximately in the mid-2000s, according to operating experience, the antenna was turned upside down: the equal-signal zone channel became the horizontal channel, and the differential-maximum channel became vertical.

Torpedoes from number 3000 received STSAB TS-3.

Note: a feature of the TS-4 and TS-3 batteries was a short service life (3 months), after filling the battery cells with electrolyte and charging them at the torpedo-technical base (TTB), the torpedo was issued into the ammunition load, and after 3 months it was replaced with new ones, after which the batteries sent to industrial enterprises for the disposal and reuse of silver.

The need to replace the ammunition every 3 months significantly hampered the operational use of their carriers during combat services. For example, for the Mediterranean squadron, special floating bases continuously ran between the northern bases, Sevastopol and the Mediterranean Sea to replace the ammunition load of submarines that were in combat sometimes up to a year or a year and a half (that is, sometimes with 4-5-fold replacement of ammunition during combat service) ...

Torpedoes from number 4000 received a new SSN 2050.080 with two channels (horizontal and vertical) with an equal-signal bearing zone and an antenna covered with sound-transparent rubber.

The export torpedo SET-53ME had a SSN 2050.080, but instead of a silver-zinc battery, a lead-acid one, but already a T-7 (and not B-6-IV as on the early SET-53 Navy) and a range of 7,5 km (at a speed 23 knots).

Torpedoes from number 6000 received a ZET-3 battery with a transportable electrolyte filled in when fired (from the SAET-60M torpedo combat battery - initially 32 elements, which gave 30 speed knots, but at this speed the torpedo "stalled", and therefore the number of elements was reduced to 30 at a speed of 29 knots). The term of keeping on board carriers of this modification of the torpedo was increased to 1 year.

During practical firing, instead of a combat charging compartment, a practical one was installed with devices for recording trajectory data and work of the CLS (autograph and loop oscilloscope with recording on a film strip), means of designation (a pulsed light device and an acoustic "snitch" - a source of noise by which a torpedo that had worked out its task could to find).


In torpedo training, it is important to be able to shoot a lot and "see", "feel" the results of the training. SET-53 (ME) provided this completely.

The SET-53 and SET-53ME torpedoes, which had lead-acid batteries, could be caught after firing and lifted aboard, retrained directly on the ship (by charging the battery and filling the air) for subsequent firing. Due to its strength, reliability (including targeting) and the ability to shoot a lot and effectively, the SET-53ME torpedo enjoyed significant export success (including in countries that had access to modern Western torpedo weaponse.g. in India and Algeria).

This led to the fact that these torpedoes are still in operation in the navies of a number of foreign countries. Among the latest contracts and mentions in the media, one can cite the message of the REGNUM agency on September 7, 2018 about the repair of the Polish SET-53ME torpedoes by the Ukrainian Promoboronexport (which was written at the beginning of the article) with the involvement of the Kiev Automation Plant, the manufacturer of the most difficult part of the torpedo - its control devices.

In the ammunition of the fleet


SET-53 (M) were the basis of the anti-submarine ammunition of the USSR Navy until the early 70s and continued to be actively used in the Northern navy until the end of the 70s, the Pacific Fleet - until the beginning of the 80s. She stayed the longest in the Baltic, until the end of the 80s. Shallow depths and low-speed targets in the Baltic were quite consistent with the SET-53M.


Deputy Head of the Department of Anti-Submarine Weapons of the Navy R. Gusev:

The SET-53 torpedo was the most reliable domestic torpedo. It was made without a foreign counterpart. All ours. She entered naval life imperceptibly and naturally, as if she had always been there. In 1978, the operation department of the Mine-Torpedo Institute analyzed the use of practical torpedoes by the Northern Fleet for 10 years. The best indicators were for the SET-53 and SET-53M torpedoes: 25% of the total number of firings in the fleet. SET-53 and SET-53M were already considered old models. About two hundred torpedoes were used. These are true hard workers of torpedo combat training. Some of them were shot up to forty times, only about 2% of the torpedoes were lost. Of all the other samples of torpedoes, according to these indicators, only the 53-56V steam-gas torpedo can be supplied. But she was the last example of air steam-gas torpedoes at the end of almost a century of their improvement. The SET-53 torpedo was the first [anti-submarine torpedo of the Navy].

Torpedo efficiency


Speaking about the SET-53 torpedo, it is necessary to note two fundamental points: very high reliability and efficiency (within the framework of its performance characteristics).

For the first homing torpedoes of all fleets, these qualities were of limited applicability. The efficiency and reliability of the German Navy's homing torpedoes in World War II was lower than the old erect torpedoes. The US Navy also had many problems with reliability and efficiency (at the same time, persistently, with huge costs and firing statistics, modifying them), even in the relatively recent 80s about the English torpedo Mk24 "Tigerfish" submarine commanders who had it in ammunition and fired it , spoke of her as a "lemon" (the British submarine "Conqueror", which had the Mk24, had to sink the cruiser "General Belgrano" in 1982 with old steam-gas torpedoes Mk8 in a combat situation).

The torpedo SET-53 turned out to be technically extremely reliable, durable ("oak": it had a body made of St30 steel, which made it possible to keep it calmly in "duty" (water-filled) torpedo tubes), reliably guided at targets (within its characteristics, despite on a small radius of response on real targets (300-400 m - on diesel-electric submarines)).

The submarine (submarine), having hydroacoustic contact with the target in the noise direction finding mode with a properly prepared torpedo SET-53 (M), could confidently count on success (aiming the torpedo on the submarine target), incl. in difficult conditions of shallow depths.

An example from the practice of the Baltic submarine:

In the mid-80s in the Baltic Sea, the Project 613 submarine monitored the Swedish Nekken-class submarine for four hours ... It all ended with the Swede being "chipped" by active messages from the Tamir-5LS sonar, after which the Swede began to maneuver and evade. Which, in turn, gave 613 a reason to "calm down" and return to its search bar ...

Obviously, in a combat situation, instead of an active sending, it would be the use of a combat torpedo, and with a high probability it would be successful.

History did not save photos of "direct hits" on the targets of SET-53 torpedoes. In practical torpedo firing, they shoot with a safe "gap" between the torpedo and target depths and a disabled vertical guidance channel to prevent a practical torpedo from hitting a real target (submarine), but there were enough cases of "direct hits". Both due to errors of personnel (for example, who forgot to turn off the vertical channel of the CCH), and for other reasons:

R. Gusev:

It's a pity that we haven't photographed such situations before. There were enough cases. I remember that Kolya Afonin and Slava Zaporozhenko were among the first, dashing gunsmiths, back in the early sixties they decided to "take a chance" and did not turn off the vertical path of the SET-53 torpedo. It was at the naval base in Poti. They fired a torpedo twice, but there was no guidance. The sailors expressed their "phi" to the specialists preparing the torpedo. The lieutenants felt offended and did not turn off the vertical path next time as an act of despair. As always in such cases, there were no other mistakes. Thank goodness the blow to the stern of the boat was glancing. The torpedo surfaced. A boat with a frightened crew also surfaced. Such firing was then rare: the torpedo had just been put into service. A special officer came to Kolya. Kolya got scared, began to broadcast to him about a strong signal, a fuse-link burnout and other things at the level of household electrical appliances. It's gone. The sailors no longer complained.

When using SET-53 from surface carriers, in those days, which had "without exception" rocket launchers (RBU), the possibility of evading a submarine target from a salvo of SET-53 with a passive SSN by stopping the course was countered by a sharp increase in the effectiveness of RBU on low-speed targets. In turn, the evasion of the attack of the RBU ships by the move ensured a significant increase in the effectiveness of SET-53. Those. torpedoes SET-53 and RBU, which had close effective ranges of application, reliably complemented each other on the ships of the first post-war generation of the Navy.


This is definitely positive.

However, there are also problematic issues.

First. Low noise immunity of passive SSN in real combat conditions.

This problem was identified during the Second World War ("Foxers" and other SGPD). The Germans began to solve it immediately and systematically, but we didn’t seem to see it.

For example, at the Pacific Fleet, the first shooting of SET-53 under the conditions of the MG-14 Anabar self-propelled jamming device (with a mechanical noise emitter) was carried out only in ... 1975. At the same time, the SGPD device honestly and in full compliance with the performance characteristics (incl. including torpedoes SET-53) "dragged" both torpedoes of the salvo behind him.

Second - search depth.

The only factor in ensuring the noise immunity of the SET-53 torpedo salvo was the "Ds" installation (the distance of the CCH activation) - "firing for interference".

The problem was that when the CLO was turned on near the target (when shooting "for interference"), its field of view was a "cone" into which the target still needed to "hit", and the target maneuver in depth (especially to the surface) practically guaranteed evasion. In our case, the search depth spindle was rigidly set to limit the bottom of the torpedo, i.e. we could not effectively account for hydrology and target depth maneuvering ability.

The third - firing depth.

The SET-53 torpedo had a caliber of 534 mm and a maximum travel depth of 200 m (targets hit). The firing depth was determined by the capabilities of our submarine's torpedo tubes firing systems. The problem was that the vast majority of submarines of the Navy (projects 613 and 611) had a firing system with a depth limit of up to 30 m (GS-30) according to the project, their modernization for GS-56 (with a firing depth of up to 70 m) was already in the 60-70s. (and did not cover all SPs). Submarines built in the 60s had a firing depth of 100 m (diesel submarines of projects 633, 641) and 200 m (second-generation nuclear submarines). Those. even for submarines of projects 633 and 641, the firing depth was in many cases much less than the submarine's immersion depth in the campaign and required, with target detection, to perform a maneuver to reach the firing depth.

Для ДЭПЛ с ГС-30 проблема стояла просто критически, т. к. маневр этот не только занимал много времени, но и в целом ряде случаев был весьма неоптимален по условия гидрологии, приводя или к потере контакта с целью или потере скрытности нашей ПЛ.

For comparison: faced with the problem of shallow depth of fire for the "extras" of its submarines during the Second World War, the US Navy created electric torpedoes of 483 mm caliber, which provided self-exit from the 53-cm torpedo tubes of all submarines of "self-defense torpedoes" (originally - Mk27) ... When creating the "same age" SET-53, the mass universal torpedo Mk37, the US Navy retained the 483 mm caliber precisely because of the logic of providing deep firing without restrictions from all 53-cm TA of all US Navy submarines. We, having our own, and significant, experience of using 45-cm torpedoes from a TA of 53 cm caliber in the 30s and during the Great Patriotic War, managed to safely forget it.

Fourth... Significant weight and size characteristics and, accordingly, limited ammunition on the carriers.

The weight of the SET-53 torpedo (depending on the modification) was about 1400 kg, the length was 7800 mm.

For comparison: the mass of its American rival Mk37 is 650 kg (and the weight of the explosives in the warhead is 150 kg, more than on the SET-53), the length is 3520 mm, i.e. twice smaller.


Obviously, the significant weight and size characteristics of the SET-53 torpedo limited the anti-submarine ammunition of the carriers.

For example, the SKR project 159A, in addition to RBU, had two five-tube torpedo tubes for 40-cm small torpedoes SET-40 (the performance characteristics of which were formally superior to SET-53), and the SKR project 159AE had only one three-tube torpedo tube for the 53-cm SET-53ME. At the same time, the SET-40 torpedoes had a number of serious problems with both reliability and the ability to operate the CLS in difficult conditions. Therefore, from the point of view of real combat effectiveness, it cannot be said that the TFR of the 159AE project had a significant superiority over the 159A project (formally exceeding it in the number of torpedoes by more than three times).

The fifth. Non-versatility of torpedoes in terms of targets (only submerged submarines can be defeated).

The SET-53 torpedo was created on the basis of the German reserve for anti-ship torpedoes and had every opportunity to become the first universal torpedo in the Navy. Alas, all the available technical capabilities for this were sacrificed to the formal implementation of the tactical and technical assignment (TTZ), in which the depth of target destruction was set at 20-200 m.Above (closer to the surface) 20 m, SET-53 would not have allowed its devices control (bellows-pendulum device), even if its CLO saw and held the target in the capture there ...

Yes, the 92-kilogram mass of BZO SET-53 explosives was too small to sink surface targets, but self-defense against enemy ships is better than nothing. Moreover, the small-sized self-defense torpedo MGT-53 (1 kg) had a mass of BZO explosives close to SET-80.

Our torpedo theorists did not think about the fact that a submarine target could jump out to the surface (and even more so about hitting surface targets) when evading. As a result, for example, the K-129 diesel-electric submarine went on its last campaign in 1968, having four SET-53 anti-submarine torpedoes and two oxygen 53-56 torpedoes with nuclear warheads in ammunition. That is, the strategic carriers of the Navy went into combat service without a single non-nuclear anti-ship torpedo for self-defense.

The missed anti-ship capabilities of SET-53 are a mistake that is worse than a crime, and the leadership of the "torpedo bodies" of the Navy, and the specialists of NIMTI.


Results and conclusions


The SET-53 torpedo, created on the basis of the Second World War, turned out to be, of course, a successful example of domestic torpedo weapons.

Its strengths are very high technical reliability and reliability in targeting within its performance characteristics. The torpedo had significant success not only in the USSR Navy (it was operated until the second half of the 80s, the last with it was the Baltic Fleet), but also in the navies of foreign states, where it is still in operation.

At the same time, the torpedo had insufficient performance characteristics (significantly lower than its American counterparts, but at the level of the English "peer" Mk20), and most importantly, a number of significant shortcomings (primarily non-versatility in terms of targets) that could be easily eliminated during modernization. Unfortunately, the high reliability and efficiency for combat training of SET-53 overshadowed real problems for specialists and the command of the USSR Navy that would inevitably arise during its combat use (primarily noise immunity).

Sources:

Bozin L.M. Essays on torpedo life.
Gusev R.A. This is torpedo life.
Korshunov Yu.L., Strokov A.A. Torpedoes of the USSR Navy. 1994 year


The author expresses gratitude to the retired captain of the 1st rank Bozin Larion Mikhailovich and the retired captain of the 2nd rank Nikolai Vladimirovich Chernyshev, the captain-director of the PL S-189 museum www.s-189.ru.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 September 2020 18: 08 New
    +2
    Thank. A very long article, a lot of terminology, incomprehensible to a layman, but interesting)))
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 18: 42 New
      13
      The text provides a decoding of each term when it is used for the first time, but if something is not clear, write in the comments.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 September 2020 19: 03 New
        +3
        Writing. An article about Poland, a photo about Australia. What's the trick?
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 3 October 2020 12: 02 New
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          Quote: Undecim
          An article about Poland,

          monsieur tro-lo-lo, article about SET-53
        2. Fizik M
          Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Undecim
          An article about Poland, a photo about Australia. What's the trick?

          apparently that YOU are pretty thump lol
          article about SET-53
          не нравится фото с Австралии? почему-то нет ВАШЕГО обычного визга про фото с МК37 (ведь "торпеда американская ,а фото польское")
      2. Shuttle
        Shuttle 8 September 2020 08: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The text provides a decoding of each term when it is used for the first time, but if something is not clear, write in the comments.


        The article is similar to an anecdote about gopniks who met Wasserman in the gateway and suddenly received a higher education for themselves.
        Thank you author!
  2. Undecim
    Undecim 7 September 2020 18: 50 New
    +7
    Poland, of course, has "modern NATO torpedoes" - the "latest and greatest" small-sized MU90 torpedoes. It seems to be there ... because the Poles shoot them only as torpedo shells.
    У меня нет оснований сомневаться в компетенции автора, но фото стрельбы "болванкой" к Польше никакого отношения не имеет. Это эксплуатационные испытания модернизированной торпеды Eurotorp MU90 ВМС Австралии в далеком 2012 году.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 7 September 2020 18: 53 New
      +5
      By the way, they fired not only with blanks.

      Can the author himself explain this passage?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 September 2020 19: 01 New
        +4
        The Polish Navy is also armed with the ancient Swedish-Danish-Norwegian torpedo Tr613, whose roots go back to 1961. Almost the same age as SET-53.
      2. timokhin-aa
        7 September 2020 20: 19 New
        +5
        Poles have them too







        Regarding Australia and MU90 in general:

        A certain “anomaly” with low firing statistics among Western torpedoes is the MU90 mini torpedo of the EuroTorp consortium (Italy, France).
        During the tests (sea qualification tests from the middle of 1994 until July 1996 - 100 launches, 1997 – 2001 still 50 launches) and during combat training (shooting mainly mock-ups).
        When studying the issue (according to the materials of the Western media) “it suddenly turns out” that at the official “beginning of deliveries from 2001” in the French Navy, the torpedo was adopted only in 2008. Numerous MU90 photo shoots on the Internet actually, in most cases, turn out to be torpedo fired shots.
        Even more interesting details were contained in the documents on the Australian torpedo tender. Formally, in terms of performance characteristics, MU90 is “the best small-sized torpedo in the world” and significantly exceeds the American rival Mk54.
        However, the position of the supporters of the Mk54 was - before believing in the characteristics of MU90 (and “reports on the shooting of other fleets without translation to English”) to conduct test shooting. With their fulfillment, it turned out that not everything in MU90 is as good as “advertising promises”.
        However, the most important argument in favor of the version of the existence of a number of problems for MU90 is the termination of the activities of the EuroTorp consortium and the independent development of MU90 (new modification) Black Arrow by WASS already with a lithium-polymer battery, which provides large shooting statistics. Probably a number of problems MU90 forced to take such a step (at the cost of significantly reducing the performance characteristics).


        https://topwar.ru/75895-ob-oblike-sovremennyh-torped-podvodnyh-lodok.html
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          1. timokhin-aa
            7 September 2020 21: 03 New
            0
            But this is the same torpedo dolt without a CLO, what's the difference - with a ring or not?
            By the way, they twist the rum in vain, the Australians turned out to be smarter in this matter and did not twist it. laughing

            Not to the author. Neither you, such zeher not to face. You are not a propagandist Kharaluzhny.


            It was just a thick hint of how many problems there were with the MU90.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 7 September 2020 21: 27 New
              +1
              It could have been written that there were problems with the fine-tuning, because everyone who has this torpedo in service, at first, generally only fired torpedo shells.
              1. timokhin-aa
                7 September 2020 21: 29 New
                0
                Some people may still be shooting. It is absolutely certain that only the development of Australian torpedoes is known.
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 7 September 2020 21: 36 New
                  +1
                  The Italians and French carried out combat launches in 2015.
                  1. timokhin-aa
                    7 September 2020 21: 37 New
                    0
                    This in itself does not mean anything.
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 7 September 2020 21: 41 New
                      +1
                      Perhaps, however, the FREMM class is equipped with them. Are at least two countries equipping their newest ships with incapacitated weapons? So you can take them with your bare hands.
                      1. timokhin-aa
                        7 September 2020 21: 43 New
                        0
                        I repeat - it is impossible to say for sure. Exactly - only Australians. With torpedoes, a lot of nuances may not be missiles. The same Italians, for some reason, returned the 53 cm caliber to the ships. Well, there are, apparently, specific reasons, but they would have had them if it were not for questions about 90?
                      2. Undecim
                        Undecim 7 September 2020 21: 52 New
                        +2
                        MU90 / IMPACT is boldly promoted by Leonardo. Why does such a well-known firm need reputational losses associated with the offer of low-quality weapons that have problems?
                      3. timokhin-aa
                        8 September 2020 15: 52 New
                        +2
                        It's like you were born yesterday. What do you mean why? For money. Do you think degenerates only buy weapons from us? Not.
                        We made a torpedo, similar to a real one, drove it in simple conditions - everything works, and beat off the grandmother by running.
                        And buyers are in fact managers in uniform. They are aside, as it is there, no one is going to cut to death tomorrow over the South China Sea.

                        But they ran into the antipodes and they gave them as they should.

                        In the world, other than the Anglo-Saxons, Japanese and Germans, few nations generally take submarine warfare seriously. And those listed have historical experience. And he crushes.

                        Only the Turks stand apart, but Turkey is the Japanese Empire of the XNUMXst century, they are on the rise now, and everything is understandable with them. Again, the first torpedo attack from under the water EMNIP was behind them.
                      4. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 3 October 2020 12: 00 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        MU90 / IMPACT is boldly promoted by Leonardo. Why does such a well-known firm need reputational losses associated with the offer of low-quality weapons that have problems?

                        Monsieur, but nothing that INSTEAD OF MU90 they make ANOTHER product?
                        despite the fact that 244 are still being produced!
                      5. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Undecim
                        MU90 / IMPACT Leonardo bravely promotes

                        1. A very serious (such that the revision of the old software only is impossible) was carried out the amount of revision of the torpedo
                        2. "бобик" ЕВРОТОРП ,коим 90 продвигали, "сдох"
                        3. WASS develops a NEW PRODUCT, with a fundamentally different design
                        4.Still in the series A244
                        etc.
                    2. Liam
                      Liam 7 September 2020 22: 12 New
                      +1
                      Quote: timokhin-aa
                      Exactly - only Australians.


                      THE MU90 LIGHT TORPEDO ENTHUSIASTICALLY ENDORSED BY THE ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVY
                      15.01.2014


                      .....

                      Two new Navies also acquired the MU90 in 2013, which now brings to 8 the number of Navies equipped with this system worldwide.

                      https://www.naval-group.com/en/news/the-mu90-light-torpedo-enthusiastically-endorsed-by-the-royal-australian-navy/
                    3. timokhin-aa
                      8 September 2020 15: 41 New
                      0
                      И что из этого следует? Что все эти флоты настреляли сотни выстрелов в практическом и какое-то количество в боевом вариантах, получили статистику отказов, проверили работу ССН торпед на всех доступных типах систем гидроакустического противодействия, отработали применение по целям на разной глубине и в различных условиях? А потом устранили все выявленные недостатки, убедились, что их больше нет и после этого с радостью приняли торпеду на вооружение? Нет, это сделали только оззи. У всех остальных она будет работать "опционально" - как пойдёт.
                    4. Liam
                      Liam 8 September 2020 16: 37 New
                      -1
                      What are you ... a torpedo is it like that. If Italians, French, Australians shoot it, then it works and is adopted. And if the Germans, Poles, Danes, it refuses to work)

                      The Danes have it too .. it works ..

                      As soon as the Danish Defense Acquisition and Logistics Organization (DALO) had completed fitting out the military systems on board the command and support ship ABSALON, the first operational exercises were ready to be successfully conducted.
                      The following day, Saturday August 18, the vessel test-fired in Sejerø Bugt her MU-90 anti-submarine torpedoes for the first time, which for the purposes of the exercise are referred to as Practice Delivery Torpedo (PDT)


                      http://www.navalhistory.dk/English/NavyNews/2007/0821_FistMU90Shot.htm
                    5. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 3 October 2020 11: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Liam
                      The Danes have it too .. it works ..

                      1. In what conditions
                      2. What year of release

                      см. материалы "австралийского тендера", там масса "вкусного" и скандального по MU90
                2. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: Liam
                  THE MU90 LIGHT TORPEDO ENTHUSIASTICALLY ENDORSED BY THE ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVY
                  15.01.2014

                  мусье ,у ВАС "полыхает" что ВЫ так SELECTED pulling quotes?
                  about troubles from the 90th and acc. do you want to quote a scandal?
            2. Fizik M
              Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Undecim
              Perhaps, however, the FREMM class is equipped with them. Are at least two countries equipping their newest ships? incapacitated weapon? So you can take them with your bare hands.

              YOU свои "влажные" и бредовые фантазии do not attribute to others.
              Про "небоеспособность" здесь чушь порете только ВЫ
        2. Fizik M
          Fizik M 3 October 2020 12: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          The Italians and French carried out combat launches in 2015.

          1. How much?
          2. Under what conditions?
          3. YOU don't confuse combat with practical?
          4. What year of torpedoes?
          etc.
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: Undecim
      It could have been written that there were problems with the fine-tuning, because everyone who has this torpedo in service, at first, generally only fired torpedo shells.

      fool
      YOU generally realize what kind of Achinea you have written now?!?! lol
  • timokhin-aa
    8 September 2020 15: 54 New
    +1
    From the author:

    1. В подписи фото выстрела MU90 автором ничего приведено по "госпринадлежности" не было. Просто хороший ракурс. Насос про "жульничание" - это ВАШ личный НАСОС
    Ибо "чисто польские" фото болванкой MU90 с рымом ЕСТЬ, причем много, но ракурса не самого удачного.
    Однако "факты" применения торпедоболванок (вместо торпед MU90) ВМС Польши - это именно факты, имеющие в т.ч. фотоподтверждение

    2. На момент начала 2010гг MU90 имела серьезные проблемы при стрельбах в сложных условиях. После (в т.ч. "австралийского торпедного скандала") их устранили

    3. A separate issue is the possibility and restrictions on the revision of torpedoes produced in 2000x

    4. Что касается "облизывания" ВАМИ ЛЕЙБЛА "Леонардо", то только "эффективные менеджеры" могли упороться до такого "ребрендинга" когда вместо БРЕНДА "Уайтхеда" (!) появляется ЛЕЙБЛ "Леонардо". И масштаб того как нужно упороться, что бы сотворить ТАКОЕ, конкретно так намекает что в "Леонардо" "одной рекламой" не обошлось (о том же говорят срывы сроков по новой торпеде на замену MU90).

    5. ВАШ тезис о том что "итальянцы стреляли в 2015г." просто СМЕШОН, ибо нормальная статистика стрельб у амеров - это под тысячу выстрелов (и сбросов) ежегодно.
    The French, when testing new frigates, by the way, fired BOLVANTS
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 8 September 2020 19: 06 New
      +4
      Auto RU.
      First, thank you for your answer.
      Secondly, you shouldn't get so excited.
      Thirdly - usually, if they write about a specific country, then the photos are used from the same country.
      Fourthly, shooting with practical torpedoes is a common practice. Therefore, your excitement around this issue is incomprehensible.
      Fifthly, I did not lick anything, filter the bazaar, using your language. Your exclamations about the Whitehead label seem somewhat ambiguous, since no one has carried out any rebranding and Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei is still successfully releasing its A244 torpedo.
      Если информация о пусках торпед странами, которые их имеют на вооружении вызывает у Вас смех - это Ваши личные проблемы. Очевидно европейские страны смотрят на вопрос боевой подготовки несколько отлично от "амеров", так как торпед MU90 изготовлено всего 1000 штук.
      If you have reliable information that the MU90 torpedo is, as of today, incapable of combat, share the source.
      Если же она "небоеспособна по Вашему мнению" - это вопрос несколько другого плана.
      Thanks again for your attention.
      1. timokhin-aa
        9 September 2020 20: 08 New
        0
        Fourthly, shooting with practical torpedoes is a common practice.


        Do not confuse a torpedo and a practical torpedo. A practical torpedo, this is the same combat one in which, instead of a combat charging compartment, a practical one with recorders and various signaling devices, such as a snitch and signal flares, is installed.

        A practical torpedo has a CLS, it is aimed at the target, and its recorders record the fact of guidance and much more, these records are then analyzed.

        And here, in fact, MMG with an engine.

        Although I am not the author, I could not pass by.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 9 September 2020 20: 14 New
          +2
          Since they did not pass by, then the question is - where did you or the author get the complete information about all the training launches of these torpedoes and the fact that in all cases there was just a torpedo shell?
          Только не надо про "еще много лет подписка о неразглашении".
          1. timokhin-aa
            9 September 2020 20: 21 New
            +1
            Where did you or the author get complete information about all the training launches of these torpedoes and the fact that in all cases there was just a torpedo shell?


            So from the news. Look, your friend does not stop throwing links, then the Danes shot several torpedoes, then someone else. Well, from the number of starts it is immediately clear whether the system is working normally or not.

            For the Americans, in order for the Mk48 to get into ammunition, it is shot in a practical version five times. It happened that it was smaller, of course, but in any case not one - EVERY torpedo goes through it.

            Now compare these numbers with those links that your friend in misfortune is dragging here.

            Я Вам уже писал правильную формулировку - НЕТ НИКАКИХ ОСНОВАНИЙ СЧИТАТЬ, что кто-то кроме австралийцев допили эту торпеду до рабочего состояния. Не "я читал секретные документы НАТО", а см. выделенный текст.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 9 September 2020 20: 23 New
              +2
              Вы слегка "уклоняетесь" от ответа. В новостях освещаются все пуски и указывается - практическая торпеда была или болванка? И сколько каких пусков Вы насчитали?
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 3 October 2020 11: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: Undecim
                Вы слегка "уклоняетесь" от ответа. В новостях освещаются все пуски и указывается - практическая торпеда была или болванка? И сколько каких пусков Вы насчитали?

                YOU will hold your tro-lo-lo
                troubles with MU90 - FACT
                да "вроде бы решенные" (см. автралийские доки, при том что они в итоге купили МК54 резко проигрывающие MU90 по ТТХ), но ЕВРОТОРП РАЗВАЛИЛСЯ
                psheki really MU90 shot BOLS
                photo confirmations are available
              2. Undecim
                Undecim 4 October 2020 17: 45 New
                +2
                YOU will hold your tro-lo-lo
                Good advice, try to follow it and stick with your trololo. If you have information and knowledge, share it normally, as a specialist. Everyone will be only happy to communicate with an informed and qualified person, this is a rarity on the site today. But do not rush to people, they are not to blame for your problems, monsieur.
              3. Liam
                Liam 4 October 2020 17: 55 New
                +1
                The Persian has a silly theory that every country that buys a torpedo has to repeat the full test cycle of thousands of launches each time.
              4. Undecim
                Undecim 4 October 2020 17: 58 New
                +2
                I do not know. he is a truly informed and expert person. But he has some kind of hypertrophied CHSV and accepts only stormy applause addressed to him. Any question causes hysteria. Why then be printed on the VO website?
              5. Liam
                Liam 4 October 2020 18: 03 New
                +1
                На фоне местных военно морских "знатоков" а ля АиЧ -знаток конечно.Но при внимательном анализе косяков немало и у него.В общении же-хам низшего пошиба
              6. Fizik M
                Fizik M 5 October 2020 13: 03 New
                -2
                Quote: Liam
                But with a careful analysis of the jambs, there are a lot

                Well, Eksperd Liam, bring them wink
                ZHDEMS
                Or are you only able to blow bubbles in a puddle? lol
            2. Fizik M
              Fizik M 5 October 2020 13: 01 New
              -3
              Quote: Undecim
              But it has some kind of hypertrophied CHSV

              Monsieur, YOU stumble into YOUR posts?
              Quote: Undecim
              accepts only stormy applause addressed to him

              I have a normal attitude towards criticism
              а вот особи "забывшие аварийный клин для полыхающей дупы" (типа ВАС), да получают свое
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 5 October 2020 12: 59 New
            -2
            Quote: Liam
            stupid theory that every country buying a torpedo must repeat the full test cycle of thousands of launches each time.

            клоун, ты сначала прочитай сколько этих испытаний было "до того" (включая "их подробности" на итальянском), а потом - то что случилось с MU90 после того как ей начали стрелять по "американским советам" belay
        2. Fizik M
          Fizik M 5 October 2020 12: 57 New
          -2
          Quote: Undecim
          But don't rush to people

          Monsieur YOU are watching your BAZAAR
          or YOU in YOUR posts to stick?
          Quote: Undecim
          they are not to blame for your problems

          из ВАШИХ постов (и "подрывания днища") очевидно что проблемы у ВАС
        3. Undecim
          Undecim 5 October 2020 13: 17 New
          +2
          Instead of pretending to be in front of me, you would rather write a normal article.
          Otherwise, the site has already slipped to the authors, whose infrared seeker cannot be used at night.
          I consider attempts to conflict with me counterproductive. You are wasting your time and energy.
          And the fact that you read my comments, I am pleased.
        4. Fizik M
          Fizik M 5 October 2020 17: 39 New
          -3
          Quote: Undecim
          Otherwise already

          you swim shallow

          PM
        5. Undecim
          Undecim 5 October 2020 17: 51 New
          +1
          Rudeness is a sign of an inferiority complex. But this is fixable. The main thing is desire and find a good therapist.
        6. Fizik M
          Fizik M 5 October 2020 19: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          Rudeness is a sign

          мне пофиг на ВАШЕ "мнение"
          а что касается "хамства" - то лучше оно чем "ГНИЛЬ" (как у ВАС)
        7. Undecim
          Undecim 5 October 2020 20: 10 New
          +1
          Если бы "пофиг", то Вы бы тут слюной не брызгали и фекалии не разбрасывали. Значит все верно.
          Adiós, ofendido.
        8. Fizik M
          Fizik M 6 October 2020 11: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Undecim
          If

          ROT don't serve
          YOUR path is there
        9. Undecim
          Undecim 6 October 2020 11: 18 New
          0
          You are more careful with alcohol, otherwise it will not seem so. In the morning on a glass?
          Well, they kicked you out of the fleet with a kick in the ass, so there was a reason. This is not a reason to die of cirrhosis.
        10. Fizik M
          Fizik M 6 October 2020 16: 42 New
          -2
          Quote: Undecim
          Well they kicked you out of the fleet

          woo like u mongrel blazes lol
          YOU please continue laughing maybe I find out something else about myself (so to speak "нового и мне неизвестного" laughing )
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: Undecim
    The news covers all launches and indicates whether there was a practical torpedo or a blank?

    lol
    You just BRESET
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 3 October 2020 11: 57 New
    -1
    Quote: Undecim
    I didn’t lick anything, filter the bazaar,

    именно отлизывали, и "фильтровать" ВАМ
    Quote: Undecim
    Если информация о пусках торпед странами, которые их имеют на вооружении вызывает у Вас смех - это Ваши личные проблемы. Очевидно европейские страны смотрят на вопрос боевой подготовки несколько отлично от "амеров", так как торпед MU90 изготовлено всего 1000 штук.
    If you have reliable information that the MU90 torpedo is, as of today, incapable of combat, share the source.

    Monsieur, YOU do not confuse your personal problems with real materiel.
    И источники по MU90 были названы, и там же была "невозможность доработки" (только заменой ПО) ранее выпущенных торпед (ЕМНИП до 2010г.)
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Undecim
    If you have reliable information that the MU90 torpedo is, as of today, incapable of combat, share the source.

    this is YOUR personal PUMP
    so with this - to the doctor
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 07 New
    -2
    Quote: Undecim
    By the way, they fired not only with blanks.

    Can the author himself explain this passage?

    I explain - I am not a doctor (which YOU really need)
    и НЕ ПОЖАРНЫЙ с ОГНЕТУШИТЕЛЕМ (для ВАШЕГО полыхающего "филе")

    ЗЫ т.е. разницу между БОЛВАНКОЙ и ТОРПЕДОЙ бухарик и полыхающей "дупой" Undecim все-таки знает ... однако continues to talk nonsense wassat
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 6 October 2020 17: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Undecim
    These are operational tests of the modernized torpedo Eurotorp MU90 of the Australian Navy back in 2012.

    fool
    Monsieur have YOU with vision? lol
    YOU RIM ON THE FACE see?!?!
    в каком "месте" ВАША АХИНЕЯ wassat об "эксплуатационных испытаниях модернизироанной торпеды" lol
  • Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 7 September 2020 19: 00 New
    11
    That a submarine target can jump out to the surface when evading

    Это называется "прыжок дельфина" или "дельфиний прыжок". Эффективный тактический приём против торпед устаревших образцов...
    Автор, спасибо! Вы напомнили мне молодость! У меня ВУС минно-торпедная, БПК "Маршал Шапошников", торпеды СЭТ-65 и 53-65К, - "наше всё"! У нас до сих пор применяется шпиндельный ввод данный стрельбы! У торпеды 53-65К серьёзный "косяк": при скорости цели менее 8 узлов, её, согласно "Правил минной службы", положено применять, как прямоидущую, а не как самонаводящуюся, потому что при скорости цели менее 8 узлов не образуется эффективный кильватерный след, достаточный для его вертикального лоцирования. Как буд-то противник не может внезано изменить режим хода...Доживу ли я до того момента, когда в торпедных аппаратах того же "Маршала Шапошникова" будет лежать что-нибудь, хотя бы отдалённо напоминающие Мк.48?
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 21: 07 New
      +5
      На Шапке и Ко должны быть антиторпеды М-15 и торпеды МТТ от "Пакета".
      And normal human 32-cm torpedo tubes instead of the SM-588 packet obscenities.
      Then it will be the case.

      And this is a purely organizational issue. A kick is needed and no more.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 7 September 2020 19: 09 New
    +2
    Thank you for the article. Very informative.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 7 September 2020 19: 14 New
    +2
    Thanks to the author, it is always interesting to read articles with details and signed photos, although the topic is not at all simple for my understanding)
  • iouris
    iouris 7 September 2020 19: 28 New
    +2
    Вывод: эта торпеда уже давно неактуальна. ВМФ сильно отстаёт от противника, А что сделано после того, как была потеряна подлодка "Курск"?
  • demiurg
    demiurg 7 September 2020 19: 30 New
    +7
    While Klimov writes simply about the fleet, reading is interesting and informative.
    As soon as it begins to carry the scorching truth, it becomes boring.
    But all the same, the author is an order of magnitude more interesting than the copy-paste of the Wikipedia Skomorokhov.
  • Crabong
    Crabong 7 September 2020 20: 10 New
    +3
    "The reliability of guidance (within their performance characteristics)" - an interesting formulation. This torpedo is rubbish. Even in the conditions of 70-80 years. there was a serious advantage of the western samples (especially if we take into account the advantage over the western GAS). Now talking about these torpedoes is not at all serious.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 21: 04 New
      +1
      Yes, but it wasn't made in the 70s
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 7 September 2020 23: 26 New
        +6
        Про торпеду СЭТ-53 ничего конкретного сказать не могу, я к ней касательства не имел, зато торпеду СЭТ-65 (вместе с ПУТС "Зуммер"), в своё время, изучил достаточно хорошо. Что вам сказать...для своего времени это была вполне себе сносная торпеда. Я не буду сейчас опускаться до уровня цитирования её ТТХ из "Википедии", ограничусь тем, чего в "Википедии" нет. Вероятность захвата цели ССН "Сапфир" при отсутствии гидроакустического противодействия составляет 0,8. То есть, для "гарантированного" захвата цели необходимо выполнять двухторпедный залп, это прямо предписывают упомянутые выше "Правила минной сулужбы". А в "кавычках" потому, что в условиях гидрологической обстановки, отличной от рассчётных, вероятность успешного захвата цели существенно снижается. Присовокупите к этому практически 100% -ую вероятность того, что атакуемая цель применит для своей защиты средства гидроакустического противодействия... Насколько я помню (25 лет назад!), логического блока селекции ложных целей в схеме ССН не было. Возможно, что он мог появиться намного позже...но какие у него могут быть алгоритмы работы, если в ССН отсутствует ЭВМ? Так что, любой имитатор подводной лодки мог увести эту торпеду за собой...Единственный приемлимый способ стрельбы при этом - стрелять "через ГПД", с задержкой включения аппаратуры ССН, но для этого надо знать дистанцию до "заманухи", значит, придётся задействовать активный тракт ГАС...со всеми вытекающими при этом последствиями. А радиус реагирования "Сапфира" в "лабораторных условиях", - около 800 метров. Но эти условия в море ещё поискать надо...Кстати, СЭТ-65 до сих пор стоит на вооружении. Хотя, когда я ещё учился, офицеры нам говорили, что она уже "устаревшая"... Такие дела.
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 3 October 2020 11: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Krabong
      "The reliability of guidance (within their performance characteristics)" - an interesting formulation

      see shitty statistics on it TV
      we have all brought it to a very high level of reliability

      Quote: Krabong
      Now talking about these torpedoes is not at all serious.

      don't say and don't read
      do not torture yourself
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 7 September 2020 20: 21 New
    +5
    Как будто лекцию на родном "торпедном факультете", ПФ ЛКИ, опять послушал. На примере и этой торпеды нас учили системам управления ТО в 70-е годы. А "прибор курса и гироскопы" - вообще родная тема crying

    Надо понимать,что и в те годы СССР , ( НИИ "Гидроприбор" и т.п.) ДОГОНЯЛИ супостатов, на базе опыта германцев и янки.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 7 September 2020 20: 25 New
    +6
    Here is the article! That's what I understand! ... The man tried his best. hi
    Honestly, I don’t understand anything about torpedoes, but it was very interesting.
    Кстати говоря у нас в городе существовал ранее ( в старые/ добрые времена) некий, не особо шумный завод. Под скромным названием "Гидроприбор". А вот что он выпускал- никто по сей день, толком не знает... Но есть такое ощущение, что возможно и он приложил руку к подобным приборам.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 21: 05 New
      +5
      Attached and how.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 7 September 2020 22: 55 New
        +1
        If I am not mistaken Gidropribor had a test base near the Pitsunda Resort. And the work there went on extremely intensively during the Soviet era. Until the collapse.
    2. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 8 September 2020 12: 14 New
      0
      Uralsk, Western Kazakhstan?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 September 2020 21: 23 New
    +2
    Torpedoes were scattered around the city where I lived. We tried to disassemble them as children.
    1. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 7 September 2020 23: 48 New
      +2
      "Мужчины, это случайно выжившие мальчики" lol hi
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 8 September 2020 00: 27 New
    +2
    Thanks to the author for an interesting article.
    I did not find the rarity in question.
    Жду продолжения (о более "свежих" образцах).
  • Elderly Raccoon
    Elderly Raccoon 8 September 2020 00: 34 New
    -1
    shoot with Soviet torpedoes because they are cheaper) do not merge them during exercises)
    1. timokhin-aa
      8 September 2020 15: 45 New
      +3
      Torpedoes are fired in a practical way, then they are picked up and re-prepared. Nobody drains them.
  • Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 8 September 2020 02: 12 New
    0
    The author wrote an interesting article. We are also waiting for other types of torpedoes. especially interesting about jet.
    1. timokhin-aa
      8 September 2020 15: 46 New
      +1
      If you are talking about Shkval, then the author did not like this torpedo much and by hook or by crook tried to throw it out of his boat. And he even threw it out.
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      2. Scaffold
        Scaffold 8 September 2020 21: 53 New
        0
        If you are talking about Shkval, then the author did not like this torpedo much and by hook or by crook tried to throw it out of his boat. And he even threw it out.

        It is all the more interesting to read why!
        1. timokhin-aa
          9 September 2020 20: 04 New
          +2
          Неуправляемая, работает только на "пистолетных" дистанциях, кавитация возможна только в приповерхностных слоях воды, то есть чуть ушёл на глубину и эта штука превращается в болванку, место занимает, на котором может быть например ПЛУР.

          A useless thing, in fact, which limits the ammunition load of useful items.

          Considering how she unmasks the boat when shooting, it is more likely even harmful
  • Aag
    Aag 8 September 2020 07: 47 New
    +2
    Thanks to the author for the article. Far from the topic (me), but, as always interesting.
    И что замечательно,-Максим не оставляет места "на поляне" комментаторам-популистам,как из лагеря шапкозакидателей,так и всепропальщикам...
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 8 September 2020 13: 44 New
    0
    Tnz. tekhn. nadezhnost etoy torpedi, eto fakticheski ey primitivnost.