American drone MQ-9 Reaper taught to independently choose a target

American drums Drones soon they will independently, without the participation of the operator, identify, select and hit targets. According to Flightglobal, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems has conducted flight tests of the MQ-9 Reaper strike drone with the Agile Condor artificial intelligence system installed on it.

Test drone were carried out at the Grand Forks test site in North Dakota and were considered successful. During the tests, the Agile Condor system installed on the drone made it possible to identify targets without the participation of the operator, other details of the tests were not disclosed. Agile Condor itself is a computational system controlled by neural network algorithms that receives data from a drone radar, as well as infrared and optoelectronic cameras. The system is being developed by SRC Inc. commissioned by the US Air Force Research Laboratory.

According to the developers, Agile Condor can detect, recognize, identify and prioritize targets with high accuracy. A face recognition system is used as one of the algorithms.

It is assumed that this system will remove part of the load from the operators of weapons, the changes of which are extremely long due to the duration of the drone flights, and over time will completely replace them.

In June of this year, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems announced the ability of an upgraded version of the MQ-9A UAV to automatically go to an alternate airfield and automatically land with a greater mass.

Comments

[Fedor Sokolov]

Everything goes to the fact that people will become victims of soulless machines.

[Eduard petrov]

so what? to become more pleasant or less painful as a victim of the soulful Marine?

[Shurik70]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

so what? to become more pleasant or less painful as a victim of the soulful Marine?

Marine control is more difficult to intercept.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Fyodor Sokolov

Everything goes to the fact that people will become victims of soulless machines.

The MQ-9 Reaper UAV, by the way, carries AGM-114 R9X missiles, which have a Kill Bill style retractable kinetic warhead.

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[Starover_Z]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

The MQ-9 Reaper UAV, by the way, carries AGM-114 R9X missiles, which has a Kill Bill-style retractable kinetic warhead

According to the developers, Agile Condor can detect, recognize, identify and prioritize targets with high accuracy. A face recognition system is used as one of the algorithms.

Now men will have to walk with painted faces, with makeup and wigs!

And let the AI ​​distinguish, especially if there are also cowboy-type hats on the head!

[meandr51]

Have you already canceled the blue Chinese masks?

[Blackmokona]

After that, face make-up will become a target for the UAV. Once disguised means the enemy

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Starover_Z

Now men will have to walk with painted faces, with makeup and wigs!

Duc ... there are also such walking ... with painted faces! How to be with such?

[Lexus]

Start at the forefront.

[Lexus]

Greetings! You would have written that the bottom photo of the prototype interceptor missile of the Reagan SDI era was attached for clarity, otherwise the iksperds, not knowing you, will spit with poison. Where did you go? I missed your competent comments. I'm sure I'm not alone.

AGM-114 R9X, there are no reliable cutaway photos on the Internet, only probable schemes

[Avior]

Old advertisement.

[Lexus]

Sergey, my respect!
As it were, there are dubious photos of the "razor" (assembled), but given the "intimate" field of application, it is hard to believe in reality. Again, for obvious reasons, we will hardly wait for the responses of "users". Photo "before" somewhere like that.

PS Regarding personal opinion, all these "blades" are more like show off. Standard 2-2,5mm pomegranate balls in the "fill" would do no worse, minus one nuance - after their "arrival" it is much more difficult to identify the "recipient", which makes it impossible to deliver the fee to the family of the "perfectly shaven tester".

[Avior]

The Americans declare this as the pinnacle of selectivity - in order to hit a specific target and not to hook those nearby, therefore nothing explosive.
And about the blades, I remembered an old joke about the invention of an automatic razor -
"- lean your face here and press the button. Whack - that's it.
- but people have different face profiles!
- Yes, it's only until the first time. "

[Lexus]

Americans declare this as the pinnacle of selectivity

These will not miss the opportunity to remind others of their "divine exclusivity."

Surprisingly, plunger and dildo-shaped MS have not yet been implemented.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: lexus

You would already have written that the bottom photo of the prototype interceptor missile of the Reagan SDI era was attached for clarity,

I have attached a photo of the rocket with the blades of the Homing Overlay Experiment because there are no photos of the blades yet. Possibly similar blades are used. I never thought that they would lose me on the forum. I just passed into the category of silent readers, so I rarely write. Thanks for your kind words.

[Lexus]

because there are no photos of the blades yet

The "duped testers" are lukewarm about their work.

that's why I rarely write

In some topics, it is impossible to clarify the situation without you.

[VO3A]

will soon be on their own

Maybe someday, then half, if they can ... Somewhere I've already heard this! Any war begins with knocking down their planes. After that, there is a prohibition to use automatic systems without duplication through channels with a human factor, and they also introduce visual identification of targets in many cases ... There are many failures and inconsistencies in the "Friend or Foe" systems!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: VO3A

.I've heard it somewhere

So I'll tell you - Geneva Convention on the conduct of hostilities: only people has the right to decide to kill another people.
Although what are we talking about, exceptional do not think so; although do not hesitate to refer to the Geneva Convention

[Avior]

Can you please tell me in which article of the Convention it is written, I did not find it.

[Pete mitchell]

Have you read the Convention? Surprised. Somewhere next to the article on mercenarism - both are prohibited. Try typing rules of engagement. The bourgeoisie told me personally about the ROE violation.
By the way, this topic seriously surfaced after the first predator in Somalia destroyed the jeep on his own - it seems that there were problems with communication and he himself used it while standing in the holding - the robot independently crashed human being

[Avior]

What's the problem to read? It is not very long, 56 articles.
https://doc.mil.ru/documents/quick_search/more.htm?id=11967448@egNPA
Mines from time immemorial are doing this - they kill people without human intervention.
The same is done by homing ammunition, for example, missiles, and there are also mistakes in the target.

[Pete mitchell]

Maybe someone in the CA has read the Convention, professed a truncated version.
It is legality, or rather the lack of a legislative framework, that raises questions about the Rules of Engagement for automatic drones. The man puts the mines; homing ammunition someone directs and gives the command to use. Errors are another topic, but even there someone gave the command. What are the ROE rules for such a drone?

Quote: askort154

Will they really distinguish "wedding" from "funeral"

[Avior]

the drone is also launched by a person, and a rocket too.
but actually it was about what is written in the Convention.

So I'll tell you - the Geneva Convention on the conduct of hostilities: only a person has the right to decide to kill another person.

[Pete mitchell]

American attack drones will soon be independently, without operator involvement, identify, select and hit targets.

But seriously, it's time to end the discussion of this article. Original

an on-board artificially intelligent computer that promises to autonomously find, track and propose targets to human commanders

, we are not talking about any independent application, I think ROE, however. I swore not to check ... good day

[DominickS]

Not such a big problem. Before the flight, the AI ​​will simply ask the commander, for show:
- Yo, leather approx. Make up your mind. Should I kill your kind or not?
- Accepted. Kill.
That, in fact, is all. Formally, the convention is followed.

[askort154]

Will they really distinguish between "wedding" and "funeral"? Or will they, as before, bomb both of them ?!

[Fedor Sokolov]

Everyone in a row!

[snake]

Quote: Fyodor Sokolov

Everyone in a row!

According to the principle: Kill everyone, the Lord will recognize his own.

[Lopatov]

Quote: askort154

Will they really distinguish between "wedding" and "funeral"? Or will they, as before, bomb both of them ?!

Apparently, the Americans decided that even the most imperfect AI would be smarter and more adequate than their own UAV operators. And weddings will be bombed less

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Spade

Apparently, the Americans decided that even the most imperfect AI would be smarter and more adequate than their own UAV operators. And weddings will be bombed less

Will these wiser? Their AI will now work on instincts - for even "weddings", for odd "funerals".

[dauria]

Apparently, the Americans decided that even the most imperfect AI would be smarter and more adequate than their own UAV operators.

So already ... Take Google away from a modern "specialist" - and you will get a helpless confused creature. On my own I noticed - instead of wiggling my brains and my own memory, I immediately climb into the "search engine". And brains are like muscles - they die off without training.

[Krasnodar]

"Robots - terminators came out of the smoke and ashes of a nuclear war, and a war to destroy humanity began" (c)
"Remember, Genesis is Skynet, Skynet is Genesis" (c)

[silverwolf88]

now the operator will have a gorgeous excuse ... like it's not me ... he himself decided so ... right here's a kindergarten ... younger group ... but that's not funny

[Lopatov]

As far as I understand, AI will only offer goals to defeat.

[Grazdanin]

Yes. The final decision is always with the operator. The main task is to reduce the amount of transmitted information and speed up decision-making. Send only what you need. In this news, half of the necessary information is not written.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Grazdanin

The main task is to reduce the amount of transmitted information and speed up decision making

You are right to reduce the amount of transmitted information
Israeli cyber researchers develop artificial intelligence method to pinpoint drone operators up to 78%
“Our system can detect patterns in the drone's route as it moves and use them to determine the location of the operator,” the researchers concluded. Enditem

[Real Pilot]

Well, this is the case ...
Operator Reaper knows where he is!
In Nevada, for example, or at several other specific points, this is not hidden. The satellite channel is under control.

But an electronic assistant that helps the operator to select targets is exactly what they do. The decision is made by a person.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: RealPilot

Operator Reaper knows where he is!

It's not always that simple
In March 2019, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) conducted an exercise codenamed "Towards Jerusalem 1" near the strategic Strait of Hormuz.
XIR has launched about 0 "offensive and combat" drones in the Persian Gulf, including the Saegheh drone, believed to be based on the American RQ-50. According to available sources, the drone flew about 170 kilometers between designated targets.
Now Israeli scientists are developing a system that will allow them to pinpoint the location of the hostile drone operator and neutralize him.
Researchers at Ben Gurion University in Beersheba Gera Weiss and Eliyahu Mashhadi use a realistic simulation environment to track the drone's flight path from the launch point and track its flight path. “We insert all points on the flight path into deep neural network, which has been trained to predict the exact launch point and location of the drone operator, ”Mashhadi said.
By testing the model on a flight simulator, the team was able to find and target the drone operator 78% of the time.
Israeli sources say a system capable of locating an operator in real time will become critical because in most cases an operator is flying more than one drone.

[Avior]

and if the operator is not strictly at the takeoff site of the drone?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

and if the operator is not strictly at the takeoff site of the drone?

The question is certainly interesting.
But, such large combat drones, like aircraft, are controlled from the base where they are located, since this is a very complex equipment and system.

I think that since this topic is in development, all the options have been thought out, besides, no one has canceled other tracking and detection tools.

[Avior]

I think it will be done in a mobile form, on a truck or several, a matter of time.
And if operators are at risk, they will do it without fail, or have already done so, so that they can not worry about safety.
If possible, send an RTR plane for a search. You still need the exact place, and there can be dozens of buildings at the takeoff point. Aren't you going to launch a rocket at the start of takeoff?
The search for a take-off site is needed rather to determine nationality.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

The search for a take-off site is needed rather to determine nationality.

It just doesn't matter, since it is directed towards the state and tries to violate the border, it will be destroyed not depending on its affiliation, as it already was.
Well, let's wait and see with the development, they don't allocate money for empty ideas.

[Avior]

The conversation was about determining the location of the operator and hitting him, remember?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I think that since this topic is under development, all the options have been thought out,

Including flying the drone along a randomly generated trajectory?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Including flying the drone along a randomly generated trajectory?

I am not the developer of this program, so I cannot answer your question.
I know that there are a lot of companies that have developed AI drones in the civil and military spheres, and continue to develop.

[The eye of the crying]

This development, in general, has nothing to do with drones.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

This development, in general, has nothing to do with drones.

Read carefully what is written in the article
Now Israeli scientists are developing a system that will allow them to pinpoint the location of a hostile operator. drones and neutralize it.

[The eye of the crying]

Yes I remember.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

The main task is to reduce the amount of transmitted information

??
Is this to reduce efficiency?
On the contrary, you will have to transfer more information.

[Grazdanin]

No, now all information is transferred to the control center, where processing takes place and the command is transmitted. The task of the tested Equipment is to independently process information on the drone itself and transmit only the necessary information to the control center. Thus, reducing the load on communication channels and control centers.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

No, now all information is transferred to the control center, where processing takes place and the command is transmitted. The task of the tested Equipment is to independently process information on the drone itself and transmit only the necessary information to the control center. Thus, reducing the load on communication channels and control centers.

Here I am about that.
Good recipe to reduce effectiveness.
For example, a perfectly camouflaged tank. The AI ​​couldn't recognize it. The operator could have done this, but ... he will not have sufficient information for this.

In fact, there will be more information. The same as now, plus the results of the work of AI

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Spade

For example, a perfectly camouflaged tank. The AI ​​couldn't recognize it. This could be done by the operator

There is no reason to say that the operator could do it at all, much less do it in real time. But there is no reason to doubt that the drone records video, brings it with it, it is analyzed in a calm environment, and if necessary, the neural network is retrained.

Quote: Spade

In fact, there will be more information. The same as now, plus the results of the work of AI

Is that bad? Much the same can be said about HUD and HMD, which are used just about everywhere. Only there the marks are drawn not by AI, but by a simpler program.

[hagen]

Quote: silberwolf88

now the operator will have a great excuse

Give an example when an amersian operator was tried to be held accountable for working with a drone.

[Pavel57]

Quote: askort154

Will they really distinguish between "wedding" and "funeral"? Or will they, as before, bomb both of them ?!

They will learn from their mistakes.

[Avior]

Neural networks are just doing this :))

[rocket757]

Are you serious? How reassuring for those whom this fool will crash by mistake .... however, what am I talking about. They were not bothered by the incidental damage before.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: rocket757

Are you serious?

The news is not true and not fully written. Another hack.

[rocket757]

There is no AI and not the fact that it will appear soon. An on-board computer with a specialized program .... BUT, I'm not talking about mistakes, which will undoubtedly be, but in this area, these are the lives of innocent people, often.

[Grazdanin]

Agile Condor is designed to analyze sensor data that the drone first collects, identifying and classifying objects of interest, and then highlighting them for operators in the control center or personnel receiving information in other remote locations for further analysis.

"This selective 'discovery and notification' process frees up bandwidth and increases data rates while reducing the delay between data collection and analysis," says SRC 2018 White Paper

currently the general idea is still to have a human operator in the murder chain making decisions about how to proceed based on such information, including whether or not to initiate a fatal strike. The Air Force has been persistent in ensuring that there is always a real person in the loop, no matter how autonomous an unmanned aerial vehicle or other unmanned vehicle may be in the future.

[rocket757]

There is no doubt that when a reliable automated control system for aircraft is created, there will be a use for it.

[Grazdanin]

Photo of the block itself. Very compact. Will not greatly reduce the combat load.

[dauria]

Photo of the block itself. Very compact.

Great, that compact. Making an air defense robot. Rocket with AI. I made a decision, flew, a second before the explosion, the AI ​​ejected and returned by parachute. And gunpowder and explosives are not a pity for the Raptor. Robots can be not only for them ...

[Saxahorse]

In general, the step is expected. We will crush him to zero with electronic warfare, and he will spit on the connection, fuck everyone who he doesn't like from above, but crawl home, somewhere to the west.

[prodi]

yes, this is the most probable alignment: pre-selection of targets with the help of the operator (otherwise you can waste the ammunition), and the automatic attack of the "most significant", or "most possible" in the list, if communication is lost (for the same reason)

[Dkuznecov]

What, what, and we have inflatable tanks in bulk.
Let him discern.

[Avior]

I doubt that in the foreseeable future, without the participation of the operator, they will strike at targets. Even involving people are wrong ....

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Avior

I doubt that in the foreseeable future, without the participation of the operator, they will strike at targets.

In vain you doubt. Be sure of this. The main task of this device is to reduce the amount of transmitted information and speed up decision-making. The decision to open fire is always up to the operator.

[Avior]

I wrote that it will not do without an operator.

[rocket757]

... The drone was tested at the Grand Forks proving ground in North Dakota and was considered successful.

But this, just, should strain, if not to say more specifically, every sane person!
Completely crazy!

[andr327]

Drones, robots - and when they kill each other, what's left? Still, to win, you need a soldier's boot in the occupied territory. After all, sometime during the fighting, these robotic troops will kill each other. What's next?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: andr327

Still, to win, you need a soldier's boot in the occupied territory.

It depends on what is the meaning of the term "victory". If "bringing the enemy into a safe state" - maybe not.

Quote: andr327

After all, sometime during the fighting, these robotic troops will kill each other. What's next?

Make new ones? It's faster than making new living soldiers.

[Prisoner]

Oh, the Afghans, Iraqis, etc. under the protection of air defense systems to conduct their weddings and funerals. Nakosyachat in software, and as experience shows, they still can be mowed, and the fool will go on the buses to shoot in vain or blow up hypermarkets.

[andr327]

For the eye of the crying

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Make new ones? It's faster than making new living soldiers

But the resources for production are not infinite. Yes, the production, especially of modern ones, is not instantaneous. Oddly enough, but the human resource will still be longer. Ak-47 still come in handy.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: andr327

But the resources for production are not infinite. Yes, the production, especially of modern ones, is not instantaneous.

The resources for the production of living people are also not endless, and making living warriors takes longer than robots. Cheaper - maybe. On the other hand, the robo-boy is cheaper to operate. "Everything is not so simple" (c).

Quote: andr327

Oddly enough, but the human resource will still be longer. Ak-47 still come in handy.

A slipper with an AK-47 is dangerous only in the case of "boots on the ground". If such a task is not set, then there is no sense from it.

[Cyril G ...]

The slipper can reach the helm station.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Cyril G ...

The slipper can reach the helm station.

Which is located a thousand kilometers away on a fortified base in another country, or even across the ocean? OK. Why does he need it?

[A. Privalov]

It's high time they learned from the pilots of the Aerospace Forces. They use their simplest cast-iron FABs to hit the bandits right in the eye. Like a squirrel so as not to spoil the skin. In five years, not a single miss.
And the staff, with their ultra-precise ammunition, no matter how they shoot, either at a wedding or at the market.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: A. Privalov

They use their simplest cast-iron FABs to hit the bandits right in the eye.

They are Old Believers, they also use the bombs with which their grandfathers fought. These are bombs, the name of which brings tears to the eyes of all those who have seen their terrible, destructive power. FAB-1500 M-46. The bomb in the photo was released before 1954.

[RVAPatriot]

A photo of what year then ???

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Photo of SU-34, and they have been working for 10 years, including the last 5 years in Syria. The photo appeared in May this year. The number "three" on the body of the FAB-1500 M-46 denotes the ballistic group of the bombs; such markings were no longer applied in 1954.

[RVAPatriot]

Thank you, otherwise it was not clear ...

[Katanikotael]

I mean, they just taught me now, wasn't that their favorite excuse when shooting civilians?

[Operator]

This is purely advertising crap - at the moment the "Reper" ground crew consists of as many as three people: the pilot, the weapons operator and the controller. No artificial intelligence in the coming decades will be able to replace several people at once.

[ugol2]

Without human intervention, Neural network algorithms, Artificial intelligence ...
Oh well.
Does our rubber bomb also seem to jump without human intervention?
What? Asymmetric, cheap and practical. And the main thing will be shot down - it's not a pity, we'll throw another.

[Shuttle]

Re-read "Guardian Bird" by Robert Sheckley.

[APASUS]

I doubt that the American MQ-9 Reaper drone was taught to distinguish between a funeral from a wedding, a hospital from a barracks, but the Americans never really needed it, they just sent a patrol to the bombing site and took apart what was destroyed.

[Cyril G ...]

Absolutely true if more than 3 people are probably illegal armed groups

[Dzafdet]

Skynet is getting closer. Prepare for World War III ...

[Puler]

And krasukha and others ... themselves will tell these drones the necessary targets ...)))