China intends to collect $ 3,5 billion from Ukraine due to Motor Sich

China can collect 3,5 billion dollars from Ukraine. It is for this amount that the Chinese investors from the Skyrizon company, which own 56% of the shares of the Ukrainian Motor Sich, intend to file a claim to international arbitration.

The Chinese company Skyrizon sent a message to the government of Ukraine about its intention to start international arbitration against the state of Ukraine. The corresponding claim has already been submitted to the Ministry of Justice of the country. The company's representatives accuse Ukraine of violating its international obligations, enshrined in the Agreement between the Government of Ukraine and the Government of the PRC on the encouragement and mutual protection of investments.

The Chinese company reportedly acquired 2016% of the shares of the Ukrainian Motor Sich back in 56, but so far it has not been able to manage its assets. The Ukrainian court on the initiative of the SBU has seized the shares, and the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine, under formal pretexts, is delaying the issuance of a concentration permit.

For 3 years, the rights of all shareholders of the enterprise have been systematically violated - general meetings are not convened, dividends are not paid, shareholders are deprived of the opportunity to influence the actions of management

- said in a statement.

Against this background, it is stated that the enterprise itself is losing sales markets and becomes uncompetitive. The damage from the current situation in China is estimated at more than $ 3,5 billion. The Chinese company calls on Ukraine to immediately begin negotiations, stopping the illegal activities of the Ukrainian authorities in relation to Motor Sich and its shareholders.

If the state of Ukraine is unable to respond promptly and start negotiations or otherwise fulfill its international obligations, Chinese investors will use their right to start arbitration.

- emphasize in the Chinese company.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

The PRC is certainly a powerful country, but the international system is in fact subordinate to the collective West. The evidence is abundant. For this we will wait and see of course, but I would rather agree with the commentator below

Quote: _Ugene_

will not help, the owners gave the command,

This is a more balanced comment.

[da Vinci]

May not be given, since the PRC uses prohibited symbols.

[artifact]

and if any regional or district court of the Celestial Empire makes a decision in favor of Skyrizon !? and the Chinese will arrest everything they can in pursuance of the court's decision. Amers can, why not tea !?

[Fmax]

The international system is cool, of course. But in fact, only nuclear weapons are protected. If the Chinese begin to bend over everything that relates to Ukraine, then not only 3,5 billion will be paid.

[stels_07]

Unlike one big country, forgiving everyone everything

[Kasym]

In 2013-2014, the Kiev authorities "threw" the Chinese for grain supplies - although they received an advance payment. After Motor Sich, these "authorities" lose in the person of Beijing the main investor in Eurasia.
China is now unlikely to sign up to invest Kiev in transit (Silk Road project: One Belt - One Road ").
P.S. The 8th stage of the Tour de France is in progress - cycling. Russian Elnur Zakarin with one fellow traveler broke away from the peloton by 10m25s. We "cheer" for him. At the 6th stage, Lesha Lutsenko from Kazakhstan snatched the victory. Now Elnur needs a victory. Broadcast by Eurosport 1.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

This is not to sue from Gazprom, the Chinese gentlemen are Sumerians, such games will not work.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

This is not to sue from Gazprom, the Chinese gentlemen are Sumerians, such games will not work.

I do not agree with you, I am afraid that the Chinese will face the same red tape as the Russians. But the fact that the authority of the great Ukrainian people will collapse below the plinth and they will lose a large and influential investor - for sure.

[businessv]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But the fact that the authority of the great Ukrainian people will collapse below the plinth and they will lose a large and influential investor - for sure.

They had no credibility after the XNUMXs at all due to regular non-fulfillment, or improper fulfillment of orders and agreements. It disappeared after the cutting of allied state enterprises and their subsequent destruction, as a result of which the country, which in Soviet times was one of the ten most technologically advanced countries in the world, from a power possessing space technologies, turned into an agrarian colony of minke whales.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: businessv

They had no authority after the XNUMXs at all

And I disagree with you! It is with you and me that they have no authority, and someone still communicates with them, thanks to which they still exist. After all, if it were as you say, they would have collapsed long ago under the weight of problems (which they are predicting for all six years tomorrow or the day after tomorrow). And they still exist! Unfortunately.

[Private-K]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

and someone still communicates with them, thanks to which they are still there.

The main home-made sense of Ukraine's existence is to be Anti-Russia. For such a "position" and support - very "useful".

[rus-5819]

someone still communicates with them, thanks to which they still exist.

This "communication" is a poisoned sting in the body of Russia, at least for Europe. Well, as "the icing on the cake" - a springboard for NATO, that is, for staff members. Considering that the Baltics and Poland while are afraid of open confrontation, the Sumerians have nothing to lose.

[businessv]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

After all, if it were as you say, they would have collapsed long ago under the weight of problems (that they have been predicting for all six years tomorrow or the day after tomorrow). And they still exist!

Their curators simply will not allow them to collapse under the load of problems due to the fact that the minke whales simply do not intend to lose such profitable, strategically important territories, this is confirmed by the recent flight of striped strategists over the entire area, and regular visits of NATO ships to the remaining ports of the area.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

So I also wrote about it! Just briefly.

[businessv]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

So I also wrote about it!

No, colleague, you and I discussed the authority of the Square, which she does not have. What credibility can a completely subordinate and handout-dependent country have?

[Shore Cannes]

The CPC is not an oligarchy of the Russian Federation, if they see that "international institutions" are working against them, they will start a showdown "according to concepts." So the mountain shooter is 100% right.

[Alber alber]

Nothing will come of them, China has already invested in the ruin at the turn of 13-14, also lards of attendants, then without any orders the Yankees could return what they could, and now even more so

[Doccor18]

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

I completely agree with the epithet.
These will not "express concern".
Their investments will be recouped, in any case.

[halpat]

Quote: Doccor18

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

I completely agree with the epithet.
These will not "express concern".
Their investments will be recouped, in any case.

They will not beat anything back. The owner said not to give it up, the horses will perform.
China simply will not give any more yuan to foreigners. The collaboration ended.

[Alber alber]

And on the other hand, this is not bad, excellent owl engines will quietly rot in hangars, why do we need China as a competitor

[hydrox]

The funny thing here is that the fight is not for shares, not for profits, not for dividends!
The Chinese demand that they be given their LEGAL RIGHT to manage the enterprise in the interests of those whose interests should be represented by the Board of Directors according to the shares available, and the Chinese have a majority, despite the fact that the Chinese sold the controlling stake to the Ukrainian Yaroslavsky, who also wants to manage the enterprise.
The Chinese have already invested more than $ 100 million in "MS", but they cannot see where the money has gone, so they are tired of everything and want a real return on owning their enterprise.
I also have a good idea of ​​HOW Russia does not want to give "MS" to the Chinese - these are ALL super-modern former Soviet defense technologies - trillions of dollars will already go to the construction of a new enterprise of the same kind (it is not yet a fact that we will be able to all the necessary equipment purchase!).
The way out may be a small war, which the skakuas will definitely untie (today the DPR is going to destroy the engineering structures of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the gray zone!) - here we can "accidentally" jump out to Melitopol and deal with the "MS" Hydroelectric power station (in Crimea, we clearly lack water ( !!), and the headworks of the North Crimean Canal are EXACTLY THERE !!))

[Clear]

It is worth adding to the topic that recently, Secretary of State Pompeo personally called Zelensky regarding Motor Sich.

"Secretary of State Pompeo expressed US concern about China's disastrous investment in Ukraine, including Beijing's efforts to acquire the engine manufacturer Motor Sich," the ministry said in a statement.

[venik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

=========
And they will do the right thing! Do not figs in front of "Yankes" tail wagging and pretending to be the most "cunning ... Popim" in the world! "DohitroDrank" !!!

[major147]

"China can collect $ 3,5 billion from Ukraine."

Or maybe not collect In any case, success to the Chinese comrades

[_Ugene_]

will not help, the owners gave the command, Ukraine will carry out, it was not China who arranged the Orange Revolution there, it was not for him to command there, they too are 3 lard for us and where are these lard?

[Klingon]

nothing, China will find a way not directly so indirectly to rein in the Svidomo and impose certain sanctions, now a lot of things are tied to the Chinese. Disable for example them and Bangood and AliExpress and Wish - will stay with expensive Amazon
and you never know what the Chinese can invent, they have Sun Tzu for this, a storehouse of wisdom, they use him everywhere

[4ekist]

Found someone to contact (the Chinese), with non-negotiable kakla. Science will be different.

[Rokambol]

As the saying goes: what we fought for, we ran into it (in terms of reputation).

[2 Level Advisor]

if we talked about the Amazons with the ebey, they brought up the majority with Ali, etc. also sits with the same prices and delivery from China .. so this is exactly what will not help) but in general I think that driving Krajina - do not care that there ordinary residents from China will not be able to order .. The chief said, it is necessary to execute ..

[Thunderbolt]

Nikolay, already, somehow coolly sketched the script. We are people trying to be appropriate

[Terenin]

Quote: Klingon

and you never know what the Chinese can invent, they have Sun Tzu for this, a storehouse of wisdom, they use him everywhere

Hdlrptsi have their own wisdom, no worse than Sun Tzu and it lies in the formula, "you have to wait"
Only Russian can understand .

[Clear]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Klingon

and you never know what the Chinese can invent, they have Sun Tzu for this, a storehouse of wisdom, they use him everywhere

Hdlrptsi have their own wisdom, no worse than Sun Tzu and it lies in the formula, "you have to wait"
Only Russian can understand them .

Well, what Russian does not know the continuation of the conversation - "they gave little"

[major147]

Quote: Terenin

"must wait"

must wait?

[Terenin]

Quote: major147

Quote: Terenin

"must wait"

must wait?

Yes, Sergey, above Yasnaya explains the continuation of the dialogue, for example, with an official

[sextant777]

The occupation regime does not care about aliexpress and telephones, they serve in the interests of overseas owners. They don't care about their people! They were not brought to power by the citizens of Ukraine.

[Doccor18]

we are also 3 lard sticking out and where are these lard?

Eastern guys bend countries so clearly, technologically and within the framework of the law, that our oligarchs never dreamed of. There's another planet called Benefit and Pragmatism. Comparison with us is incorrect.

[major147]

Quote: Doccor18

Comparison with us is incorrect.

Due to the fact that our President is trying to play by the rules with cheats.

[Brturin]

Quote: _Ugene_

it was not China who arranged the Orange Revolution there, it was not for him there to command

At the end of 2019, Ukraine's largest trading partners were (in descending order): China, Russia, Germany, Poland, Belarus, Turkey, Italy, Hungary, India, the Netherlands. Trade between Ukraine and China amounted to $ 9,4 billion, between Ukraine and Russia - $ 4,8 billion. https://vz-ru.turbopages.org/vz.ru/s/news/2020/9/1/1058094.html
If the Chinese decide to cut this turnover, the owners are unlikely to be able to compensate for this ... so they are trying to get out ...
September 2. First Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Emine Dzhaparova during a video conference with her colleague from China Le Yucheng agreed to increase cooperation in the political and economic plane ... Further interaction on the fields of international organizations, ways to intensify trade and economic cooperation, joint participation in the implementation of projects in the framework of the global Chinese initiative "One Belt, One Road". https://www.interfax.ru/business/724162

[Revival]

Well, here I will note that we are an unsuccessful example, we can not be given, we are silent ...

[Dima68]

Russia took Crimea as collateral for the loan. Therefore, the issue of return does not particularly pedal.

[Revival]

Your personal opinion does not coincide with the official one, and as an excuse for the impossibility of collecting it is also weak

[hydrox]

Quote: _Ugene_

we are also 3 lard sticking out and where are these lard?

By the way, in order to secure these 3 lards, we can borrow them from the skakuas (on bail! ) Kakhovskaya HPP with a reservoir (head structures of the NCC).
And by the way, no one forbids us, just like the Chinese, to apply to the International Arbitration for the return of our funds, and to take interest with water from the Kakhovskoe farm.

[major147]

Quote: hydrox

no one forbids us, just like the Chinese, to apply to international Arbitration for the return of our funds,

Have addressed. The process is slow, but it goes on. In November, if I'm not mistaken, there must be a solution. But ..... the decision is not money yet!

[hydrox]

Quote: major147

But ..... the decision is not money yet!

Very good!
This is just such a case when a decision will cost MUCH more expensive than money: money, as a solution, also accumulates interest, and in the event of a default declaration of Ukraine as a state, Russia will be able to neatly "correct" property rights at Skakuasia for a lot of things without any military action - by that time the law of force will already prevail in international relations, and the balance of forces in international affairs will be strikingly different from today.
And if someone thinks that Russia will continue to chew the slippery substance, then he will stop in great amazement, since it is too unlikely that the blacks will calm down after the US elections - and there is less than a month left to wait ...

[Vlad.by]

Do not hurry.
"The Russians always come for their money," Bismarck, I think.
10, even 20 years is just a moment. There will be a holiday on Russian Khreshchatyk

[Pattor]

And they will do the right thing. Let them get used to normal relationships with obligations

[Boris Afinogenov]

I agree, this is not Russia, which, out of the kindness of its soul, forgives everything. Especially all sorts of "brothers".

Ukraine is not in a position to conduct such affairs: it was either rebuilt by the Union, then Russia helped, now it is sold to the collective West. If only to do nothing and not to make important decisions. Well, don't be independent.

In a word - ho.h.ly.

[Real Pilot]

Well, they are US in one word X-LY ...

And if the Germans took this country, after 2014, they would proudly call themselves "Hoch-land", that is, "high country", "great country" ... And no offense!

Why am I? And this is about the selyuk "pragmatism".

[Magic archer]

If China does this, then the economy of the impoverished Ukraine will receive kaput, from the word default ... Now I just watched the video Sharia. God forbid such "reforms" ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Magic Archer

If China does this, then the economy of impoverished Ukraine will receive a kaput, from the word default ...

And sho, not yet? In my opinion, the kaput of the Ukrainian economy came not even in 14, but earlier. As for the Chinese and this lawsuit ... now the lads from the happy will screech, but we are for sho ?!

[Magic archer]

Officially no. The hryvnia has fallen, prices have risen, but are still holding. But if this happens officially, then the consequences will be more dire.

[_Ugene_]

In my opinion, the kaput of the Ukrainian economy came not even in 14, but earlier.

do they know about it? you trust our propaganda less, the standard of living has decreased slightly, but all statements about kaputa are only our wishlist

[NEXUS]

Quote: _Ugene_

do they know about it? you trust our propaganda less, the standard of living has decreased slightly, but all statements about kaputa are only our wishlist

What does propaganda have to do with it, dear? I am now 6 hours away from Odessa. And I don't care about this propaganda. The hryvnia has fallen by how many times in comparison with the year 14, don't you remind me? What are the wishlist for the devil?

[_Ugene_]

against the US dollar by about 3,3 times (from 8,2 to 27,7), the ruble during this time by about 2,5 times (from 32,5 to 75,3)
how is their kaput fundamentally different from ours?

[NEXUS]

Quote: _Ugene_

against the US dollar by about 6 times, the ruble during this time by about 2,5 times

And what about agriculture, industry, etc. in Ukraine? Could you tell? How deep is the Nikolaev shipyard, cosmonautics, motor building?

[_Ugene_]

I have already corrected my mistake - the hryvnia against the US dollar is about 3,3 times (from 8,2 to 27,7), the ruble during this time is about 2,5 times (from 32,5 to 75,3), not great difference

[krops777]

I have already corrected my mistake - the hryvnia against the US dollar by about 3,3 times (from 8,2 to 27,7), the ruble during this time by about 2,5 times (from 32,5 to 75,3), the difference is not great

Russia deliberately lowered the ruble for the competitiveness of our goods, and Ukraine lowered the hryvnia due to the collapse in the economy and the accumulation of debts, so the dollar exchange rate against the national currency is not at all an indicator of the state of the economy.

[_Ugene_]

so I asked what exactly is the capital of their economy, they told me about devaluation, now you write that devaluation is not an indicator, then what is the indicator? give the numbers

[wow]

My friend, on the Nikolaev ferfs of the ChSZ and 65 komunars, in the dry docks the trees have already grown above the 4th floor! Nikolaev Shipbuilding Institute rivets managers. lawyers and other "shipbuilders". So it is unnecessary to talk about any "Ukrainian economy".

[_Ugene_]

yes, I can tell you a lot about closed Russian factories too

[Vadim237]

Let them grow further - let everything grow over there.

[stas Sv]

Yesterday I traveled from Rovno to dodoma. All fields are sown (at least along the road), and the air can be seen that they are being cultivated. The question is what; who do they belong to? To the state? In no way! As for mechanical engineering, aircraft industry, etc. - You're right truncated in full oppa!
It's funny sometimes to read new things about: one litak, one undership, one rocket ... You can go on endlessly.

[FenH]

Quote: _Ugene_

against the US dollar by about 3,3 times (from 8,2 to 27,7), the ruble during this time by about 2,5 times (from 32,5 to 75,3)
how is their kaput fundamentally different from ours?

The fact that Russia has been subject to sanctions since 2014, if not in the know, but they are without sanctions and with support, including at the expense of Russia, by extortion in the courts of Europe

[_Ugene_]

so we compare the results, and you actually agree that the difference is small

[FenH]

Quote: _Ugene_

so we compare the results, and you actually agree that the difference is small

On the other hand, I tell you that with all the pressure on Russia, our situation is much better.

[_Ugene_]

and what exactly is it "much better"? the person made a specific argument with the devaluation of the nat. currencies, I brought graphs of depreciation of their currency and ours, but you just have an abstract "much better"? so this and they declare at home that they have everything "much better" than ours, this is all chatter, let's get official figures

[FenH]

2.5 times less than 3.3 times,given that they have no sanctions! and they do not repay debts, but nevertheless, their economy sinks much deeper, even under favorable conditions

[_Ugene_]

2.5 <3.3, you cannot argue with that, but if on this basis it is stated that their economy is kaput, then our kaput is not much different from theirs, and we do not discuss the reasons for the depreciation, this is another question

but nevertheless, their economy sinks much deeper, even under favorable conditions

confirm your thesis with specific numbers

[FenH]

Quote: _Ugene_

2.5 <3.3, you cannot argue with that, but if on this basis it is stated that their economy is kaput, then our kaput is not much different from theirs, and we do not discuss the reasons for the depreciation, this is another question

You are lining up, Russia has 2.5 because SANCTIONS and ECONOMIC WAR, and they have 3.3 without all this, so they are kaput

[_Ugene_]

yes, you are looking for excuses, but I say that they have no kaput in the economy, and if they do, then it is not clear how our kaput differs, and you actually say that we also have kaput, but we are forgiven, they offend us, therefore we have kaput, funny

[tihonmarine]

Quote: FenH

And they are without sanctions and support, including at the expense of Russia, by extortion in the courts of Europe

And about 3 lard. who owe Russia are silent. The Chinese for such deeds would long ago have torn the Sumeria into an American flag.

[Revival]

Yes, and the wind and rain constantly interfere, everyone is against us, and everyone else is a solid help.
Yes, and the sparrows are divorced, and you must take into account ...
And so we wow ...

[hydrox]

Quote: _Ugene_

how is their kaput fundamentally different from ours?

Bad reasoning :: Russia, first of all, is solvent, has a balance sheet, a budget and a GDP, with this a full paragraph

[_Ugene_]

If Ukraine were insolvent, then there would be a default, but it is not, the balance sheet, budget and GDP are also present, where can we go without them?

[hydrox]

You, for an hour, did not study at GU VShei, what are you talking about indecency?
So, you can say this to liberoids, but decent people cannot, so as not to be known ...

[Vadim237]

Well, now Ukraine is following our path of the 90s - living at the expense of IMF loans and recruiting new ones to pay off the old than it all ended, everyone knows the default of 1998.

[_Ugene_]

the difference is that her owners are actively helping her, firstly, directly with money, and secondly, by doing so that we ourselves have to finance them, which we do

[Vadim237]

And how are we financing them?

[_Ugene_]

we know what, in money, the states did not allow us to complete the construction of SP2 on time, Gazprom was forced to sign a long-term transit agreement with Ukraine again, and even on enslaving terms, otherwise we would not be able to fulfill the delivery obligations to Europe, as a result, now Gazprom says that transit through Ukraine this year brings losses, i.e. we drive billion. cubic meters of gas to Europe and we get losses for this, here is such a transit agreement, plus we pay them $ 3-5 billion for all ships, but they don't give us debts, that's all, we are the same 3 billion. we cannot repay the debt, i.e. Ukraine is such an anti-Russian project that Russia is sponsoring, the states worked great, that's who you need to learn from

[major147]

Quote: _Ugene_

how is their kaput fundamentally different from ours?

The presence of gold and foreign exchange reserves!

[stas Sv]

I agree with you dear

[Revival]

For example, it does not fit into this picture:
1) from January 1, 2020, the minimum wage in Ukraine is 4723 hryvnia ($ 199.35 or € 177.74).
From September 1, 2020, the minimum wage is 5000 hryvnia ($ 180.76 or € 152.54).

2) From January 1, 2020, the minimum wage in the Russian Federation is 12130 rubles. (Article 1 of the Federal Law of June 19.06.2000, 82 N 160,98-FZ). ($ 135,97 or € XNUMX).

[musketon64]

The minimum wage is a picture for employers. For example, how many people in Moscow work for such a minimum wage? And in some sort of Mukhoska, half of the workers. That is, the question can be raised - how many, in percentage terms, work in the country for the minimum wage? In any case, many Ukrainian citizens prefer to work in Russia rather than in their own country, despite the somewhat higher minimum wage. I (personally) have not met and heard of such Russians who leave to work in Ukraine en masse.

[Revival]

And there are many many private examples of reflections and unknowns ...

And the only question is, how is it that there is even a penny more money in the "collapsed colony of the West" than in a superpower, and even after the fateful amendments?

[musketon64]

I gave you not a particular example, but a principle to point out the incorrectness of comparing the standard of living in a particular country in terms of the minimum wage. For example, in a certain country W. the minimum wage is $ 250, and in the country R. $ 230. But in the country U. 50% of the workers work for the minimum wage, and in the country of R. 5% (I take conventional figures). And the fact that in the country U. the minimum wage "at least a penny, but higher" does not speak at all about anything. But the migration of residents from the country U. to earn money in the country of R. is precisely an indicator of the state of the economies.

[Trapp1st]

poor Ukraine will come kaput

So do not get you to anyone, the Chinese thought.

[Igoresha]

we'll see. Putin was not able to scratch out 3 lard of Yanukovych's debt and paid on top of the Stockholm arbitration

[Senka naughty]

Who told you that someone paid them in Stockholm?

[Igoresha]

Gazprom transferred almost $ 3 billion to Naftogaz as "Stockholm debt"
27.12.2019
NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine received $ 2,9 billion from Russian Gazprom in the framework of the Stockholm arbitration. This was announced by the executive director of Naftogaz Yuri Vitrenko on Facebook.

[Senka naughty]

Is there anything more formal? Facebook, this is a social network, they also upload pictures from their holidays. You still have to discard the link to sms from Telegram, there also information slipped through

[_Ugene_]

Is there anything more formal?

Will the Russian state news agency of the federal level suit you?
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7438825

The Ukrainian company added that, according to its calculations, it received a total of $ 5 billion from Gazprom as a result of the transit arbitration. Naftogaz states that it "received the first part of the compensation in the amount of $ 2,1 billion in the form of gas that was supplied." Gazprom "in 2014". "Naftogaz" reflected this part of the gain in the reporting for 2017 and paid the corresponding taxes and dividends to the state budget in 2018, "the statement said.
"Today's payment from Gazprom includes the repayment of the unpaid part of the previously awarded compensation in the amount of $ 2,56 billion, as well as interest accumulated since the decision was announced on February 28, 2018"

[Revival]

And merged ...
The job is to stir up stupidity with a few comments of the "bottom" level and consider it worked

[Revival]

He just woke up.
This work

[Revival]

Have you been in a coma?
It’s a very well-known fact, and more than one.
Mock was paid, the pass was paid, Ukraine was paid, Poland was paid ... well, this is complete ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Igoresha

Putin was not able to scratch out 3 lard of Yanukovych's debt and paid on top of the Stockholm arbitration

We seem to be a state governed by the rule of law, that's why we paid for arbitration. And what about debt, but will NATO take on a debtor with territorial problems and with whom? With a lender. The pans must be made of lead and jump two meters higher. NATO is nothing more to do, as it got into a war with nuclear Russia because of Svidomo's debtor

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tusv

And what about debt, but will NATO take on a debtor with territorial problems and with whom?

Beggars are not accepted into NATO. First let them save up a penny.

[Russ]

What fell in the kraina, disappeared there ... Do not mess with kraina ... science to others ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Russia

What fell in the kraina, disappeared there ... Do not mess with kraina ... science to others ...

I remember from childhood how my grandfather said, "if you gave a ho..sumer a gold piece in debt, you won't get it back."

[IvanT]

In queue))))

[Piramidon]

The Chinese company reportedly acquired 2016% of the shares of the Ukrainian Motor Sich in 56, but so far it has not been able to manage its assets.

Yeah. The Chinese apparently decided to learn from their own mistakes. It seems to be a wise nation, but they decided to ignore the experience of other countries in scamming from the side of the "nezalezhnoy". What were you hoping for? Has greed gone beyond the analytical mind?

[FenH]

Quote: Piramidon

What were you hoping for? Has greed gone beyond the analytical mind?

They hoped for technology, and the Americans gave them an M56 bolt, as well as Russia for Opel

[tandem]

it was a very tasty morsel. Couldn't resist the temptation. If it burned out, they would dance with joy

[orionvitt]

China intends to collect 3,5 billion from Ukraine

Monkey labor. For several reasons. Firstly, Ukraine stupidly has no money, no money at all. You don't have to go further.

[Arthur73]

The Chinese will take their own. Together with the indemnity. Ukraine still has a lot of land suitable for agriculture, so it is a matter of time for Ukraine to repay its debt to China.

[Yaro Polk]

To the Chinese to sell Ukraine's debt to Russia in 3 lard (where the five has probably already dripped during this time), sell for 2-3 billion. Let the Chinese knock out so as not to walk 2 times ...

[rocket757]

I would say that we will wait and see, BUT !!! Either the donkey dies, or the shah dies ... it’s for a long time.

[Xenofont]

In light of the Chinese demarche, what about our 3rd lard? Does anyone know? Terribly curious ...

[FenH]

Quote: Xenofont

In light of the Chinese demarche, what about our 3rd lard? Does anyone know? Terribly curious ...

Everything hung, and for a long time, such as because of the coronavirus. And so they were going to conduct additional investigation.

[Trapp1st]

additional investigation to conduct. hi

At the same time, it would not be bad to arrest Ukrainian assets and start right away with a sweet tooth.

[FenH]

Quote: Trapp1st

additional investigation to conduct. hi

At the same time, it would not be bad to arrest Ukrainian assets and start right away with a sweet tooth.

Rather, the Russian assets will be arrested. The investigation is carried out by the British, and they are bitten by the "newcomer", they will go to the panos, but they will freeze this case. There would be a court decision in our hands, it would be possible to freeze the money for transit, but there is no solution

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Xenofont

but what about our 3rd lard? Does anyone know? Terribly curious ...

While flying like a basin over the bath.

[Revival]

No way .... we pay one way, as they say, due to the fact that myzh is a legal state in front of foreigners

[askort154]

The Ukrainian court on the initiative of the SBU has seized the shares, and the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine, under formal pretexts, is delaying the issuance of a concentration permit.

Naive Chinese, in 1998. managed to get the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier "Varyag" out of Ukraine, like scrap metal, for $ 20 million. , decided to continue to buy up the former Soviet advanced production facilities that remained in Ukraine - Motor Sich and Yuzhmash. But the locomotive has already left. The United States took control of it all. Therefore, now in Ukraine the SBU rules, which has become a branch of the CIA. Therefore, China did not receive
Motor Sich with Yuzhmash, it will also not receive 3 billion.

[fider]

They will get ears from a dead donkey.

[Trapp1st]

They will get ears from a dead donkey.

They are such guys that ears will be used.

[Revival]

By the way, they have a popular and expensive product.

[Yaro Polk]

Well, and what the hell they will get more loans from communist China means now (oh, I just forgot that the whole WORLD owes the Sumerians, just for the fact that they are))

[Arthur73]

Exactly. Looking at the fact that Ukraine is "freeloaders, not partners", other countries will wait for investments. Unless only the IMF will lend. On the security of territories.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: fider

They will get ears from a dead donkey.

Oh, dangerous guys joking with China. See that your ears are not torn off yourself.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

You have to be such cretins. The Chinese are the only chance to prolong the life of Motor Sich. And then they manage to arrange dancing on a rake.

[tandem]

if those technologies get to China, the US will have serious problems. So for the Americans it is better to destroy the plant than to give it to the RF or the PRC. In the end, Ukraine does not need engines for the production of sweets, for itself there is. It is better to bang the motor sich for reliability. And if Ukraine needs it, then you can sell for real money and furnish the sale with your own conditions.

[Andrea]

Naive fools! Your investment is a bribe of Poroshenko, and, therefore, cannot be returned,
But you need to file a lawsuit against the United States and, preferably, in the United States!

[tralflot1832]

Will they open the esophagus?

[Rubi0]

Nice, and even better if all investments in agriculture and ports are hacked, it will be worse than these 3 lards

[Karaul73]

Quote: Senka Naughty

Is there anything more formal? Facebook, this is a social network, they also upload pictures from their holidays. You still have to discard the link to sms from Telegram, there also information slipped through

Yes, they won't show it on Channel One.

[Boris Afinogenov]

It is high time for this state to be responsible for its actions and inaction.

And then they got used to forever hiding behind the back of the strong, not representing anything of themselves.

[Old partisan]

If I were in the place of the Chinese, I would punish the smart ones by another Lard 3 percent.

[Avior]

They are not going to submit to the American court? Even curious how it will end?
The Chinese were in a hurry to give the money to Boguslaev, without first obtaining all permits.
As a result, Boguslaev now has both money and a plant.

[hydrox]

Come on!
What money if there is no profit?
And $ 100 million of Chinese went to cover current debts.
But it's a shame: some lousy 200 km from Mariupol to Melitopol - it's just 8 hours of a leisurely tank ride with lunch, a quiet hour and five-o * shred!
And to the Crimean water another 300 km for two days without haste and without resistance, by the way, across the territory of Catherine's Novorossia ...
By the way, if THIS succeeds, then NEITHER FIGA China will not receive either the "MS" or the Kakhovskoy hydroelectric power station with a reservoir - in these places there will already be another power, not Skakuas, which will not give SO to rot black soil, HOW this is done in Astrakhan, Volgograd and Saratov ..

[Avior]

The Chinese have no complaints about the plant.
I did not understand what you wrote about the profits.
And here's another thing - Motor Sich is not located near the Kakhovska hydroelectric power station, but 200-300 km from this place.
And to be honest, the idea of ​​your blitzkrieg is highly unrealistic. There, by the way, Berdyansk is still on the way.

[hydrox]

1. Blitzkrieg is not mine, but it has the ability to be implemented in the DPR, which today demanded the evacuation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from engineering structures in the gray zone before the start of their destruction.
2. And what, Berdyansk is a fortified area of ​​100 square meters. km and with TNW?

[Avior]

you included Melitopol in the list. It is also not a walled city.
It's all unrealistic.

[hydrox]

Let's not discuss the military merits of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amid the offensive laughter of the militias ...
Does the expression "brave Georgians fled" tell you nothing?

[Avior]

A glance at the map suggests that for 6 years the Ukrainian troops have been controlling most of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and there are no prospects for a change in the situation. And you want to blitzkrieg 400 km across a hostile territory with an unfriendly population.
This did not even come close in 2014 in the most greenhouse conditions, and now it is even more distrustful.

[hydrox]

You will never know what I want, because you are used to being rude and have forgotten how to talk.
All the best.

[Avior]

All the best.
You did not confuse?

[Prisoner]

They can collect something. To seek is not a focus. Focus to get.

[7,62x54]

Simply put, give drawings and diagrams

[Irek]

You were warned not to mess with sixes.

[Arthur73]

Or rather, it sounds like gray rodents.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This money of yours will be snatched from your throat

while the US world hegemon no one will snatch anything and will insist so overseas duties for their goods will instantly increase so that these 3,5 billion dollars of the PRC will seem like a pocket change.
Everyone knows perfectly well that it is not Ukraine that does not allow the PRC to control Motor Sich, but the Ukrainian master of the United States.
So everything will be exactly the same as with the return of loans issued by Russia to Ukraine before the Maidan.

[evgen1221]

We have zero levers of influence in the world, we use the Chinese for gas from the power of Siberia and transit along the Silk Road, China itself will have more of these levers, it is enough for them to hang down that China is offended and in Chinatowns around the world a little pogrom of the country where these Chinatowns are located will begin. Well, all sorts of counter duties to begin with.

[lopvlad]

Quote: evgen1221

China itself will have more of these levers, it is enough for them to hang down that China is being offended and in Chinatowns around the world there will be a little pogrom of the country where these Chinatowns are located. Well, all sorts of counter duties for a start.

only now no one saw these levers, and Trump raised duties freely on Chinese goods.

Quote: evgen1221

we use Chinese for gas from the power of siberia and transit along the silk road

it is the Chinese who use our cheap gas and the shortest transit of their trash through Russia to Europe.

[Ros 56]

It’s hard to shake off your money from these idiots, only send collectors with machine guns and tanks.

[ZVS]

The Ukrainians hit the grandmother specifically. China is not the Russian Federation, they have more leverage.

[Avior]

The Chinese on this issue will have to deal not with Ukraine, but with the States.

[evgen1221]

I doubt that these striped friends of the country will listen to mistakes, on what basis, if they do not appear anywhere in the deal de jure? Will be sent at the first breath.

[Avior]

The deal formally concerns individuals, so if they watch de jure, the Chinese have nothing to imagine - they themselves hurried to pay, without waiting for permission.
And de facto, if the Chinese raise the issue, it will not do without the Americans.
What court did they decide to sue? In arbitration will not work, they appeal to the intergovernmental agreement.

[lopvlad]

Quote: SU

China is not the Russian Federation, they have more leverage.

which for example ? As for the proceedings, they are held in Western courts and arbitration. Moreover, Ukraine did not even spit on their decision, they were allowed to do so by the United States.
There are two levers left for China, to impose sanctions against Ukraine or go to war on it.

[ZVS]

To tryndet, you have to be competent.
Read this: China began to take away the territory and strategic objects of Ukraine for debts https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a534796f03173d6ba5e7126/kitai-nachal-zabirat-za-dolgi-territoriiu-i-strategicheskie-obekty-ukrainy-5b766684f1ab7d00a9b75d2c

[lopvlad]

Quote: SU

you have to be competent

that's exactly what you need to be competent, the main thing is access to what you bought or took away and not the fact of ownership. And the situation with Motor Sich confirms this.
As for the levers of influence in China, I recommend looking at the story of the daughter of the head of the Chinese state-owned company Huawei.

[ZVS]

Just don't put Ukraine and the USA on the same level. Ukraine, as a state, almost ceased to exist, and became a colony of the West.

[evgen1221]

China will be offended this is a serious smut. It's not the Russian Federation that has 30 Kamaz trucks))). Well, we will observe, and at the end of the day we can file our lawsuit according to the same scheme for loans, Let them pay for them! China will have to pay for sure, the Chinese will not listen to their friends, unlike the Kremlin ones.

[Graz]

well, Ukraine will lose all Chinese investments

[Naval]

Let's wait for the result, in the West case law, i.e. if a decision is made, then in similar cases, this decision is obligatory for others, therefore, a deliberately illegal decision is an applicant for the future, and where is the guarantee that "the right sons of bitches" will not fall into it?

[demo]

Scared the woman ... with a high heel.
So it is here.

[Klingon]

Quote: 2 level advisor

if we talked about the Amazons with the ebey, they brought up the majority with Ali, etc. also sits with the same prices and delivery from China .. so this is exactly what will not help) but in general I think that driving Krajina - do not care that there ordinary residents from China will not be able to order .. The chief said, it is necessary to execute ..

so this is a joke about Aliexpress, but on Amazon and ebee their dofig alishniks, I meant that there is a lot of other things that are tied to the Chinese in one way or another. They will find the (Achilles') bandit heel

[BOB044]

Ukrainians will have to sweat a lot. The Chinese will shake their own out of them. They are not Russia. This we all our brothers deliver snot.

[xomaNN]

The Chinese will demand if not 3.5 then half. And that again, in the swamp of information, everything about the 3 lards of the RF loan for Ukraine in 2013 was lost? In the summer of 2020, Londoners were supposed to make the final verdict. And ours that "are silent in a rag"?

[thrust]

to lose reputation is not to lose money.
Ukraine is messing with the East, the West is not strong and needs it already.

[Vadim237]

In the wake of your reputation, you will lose your customer base, and with it your money.

[Rokambol]

Quote: itis

Ukraine messes with the East

Ukraine has already disgraced itself in front of everyone and before anyone else ... Let's see what will come of the current situation ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Indeed, the Chinese quietly bought a plant from Boguslaev that produces engines interesting for Beijing. Grandpa decided to retire and threw away all the shares for decent money. The Americans were alarmed. The founder of the private military company Blackwater (now Academi) Eric Prince was sent to Zaporozhye. He came and began to frighten everyone with punishment and sanctions. In conclusion, he promised to buy the factory, but did not buy it.

[BAI]

The Chinese company Skyrizon sent a message to the Ukrainian government about its intention to start international arbitration against the state of Ukraine.

I wonder what instructions the US will give to "international arbitration"?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Not not ... .we are independent. Hto tse bude to us to indicate there sho we robe. Not only were these masterpieces created jointly by 15 union republics, they were pissed off by the Ukrainians alone. Enchanting achievement.

[Vasyan1971]

back in 2016, the Chinese company acquired 56% of the shares of the Ukrainian Motor Sich, but so far, they have not received the opportunity to manage their assets.

Classic scammer! How lovely!

[fa2998]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This money will be ripped out of the throat ... along with the gastrointestinal tract ...

Maybe Russia will sell its loan to Ukraine for 2014 at a cheap price, with a discount. At least we will return some of the money. Let them rip it out.

[APASUS]

Ukraine cannot afford such crap! Let's see how American friends will help the Ukrainians, solve the money issue

[Revolver]

Yes, elementary. "We forgive you your investments. Go in peace." How do you like this wording?

[APASUS]

Quote: Nagan

Yes, elementary. "We forgive you your investments. Go in peace." How do you like this wording?

They can forgive Russia, but China does not. Ukraine cannot pull such a serious enemy

[Pandiurin]

The 404 project is supervised by the West, management and debit-credit are also carried out by Western countries. If there is not enough money for financing, but it is not enough, then it is necessary to spread it out of your pocket or, for example, sue Russia.
Have eaten away the Chinese investments, you have to give it out of your own pocket by providing assistance to Ukraine, or Russia has again been fined for some kind of gas contracts or simply by throwing the Chinese.

The difference in arbitration between Gazprom and China is seen in the fact that from the legal side, Russia had problems there when concluding a contract, either on purpose or due to lack of competence and negligence. In China, I suppose everything is spelled out in the contract clearly, clearly, rigidly and unambiguously. It will be difficult to throw the Chinese, but it is possible to delay it for a very long time.

[Harin Oleg]

"May" and "intend" are different concepts. To begin with, you would have decided what the little ones want there.

[Revolver]

The Chinese raked sensitively in their faces. Pleases.

[Gray-haired]

Well, the cocked ones? It's not for you to throw poop at Russia! They will pull you up so that the eyes on the sedentary will crawl out! You can safely walk into the geyrope with a naked gopoi! Who walks in unison in a row! With a naked gopoy, hohlootryad!

[aszzz888]

Gray (Sergey)
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Well, crestfallen? It's not for you to throw poop at Russia! They will pull you up so that the eyes on the sedentary will crawl out! You can safely walk into the geyrope with a naked gopoi! Who walks in unison in a row! With a naked gopoy, hohlootryad!

Their rosy dreams have not yet disappeared from their stupid things!

[aszzz888]

The Chinese company calls on Ukraine to immediately begin negotiations, stopping the illegal activities of the Ukrainian authorities in relation to Motor Sich and its shareholders

And what, the comrades from the PRC did not know about the inability to negotiate the Ukronazis? Could have consulted with us, would not refuse.

[Dzafdet]

Well, did you jump? This is not Miller's shoes for you, these three skins will quickly be removed from you and they will do the right thing.

[Paramon Pictures]

It is necessary for the Ukrainians to hurt, but it is not necessary for China to own engine technology.

[don-1500]

A couple of years ago I bought a door lock, change it, read on the box .... Ukraine, Zaporozhye, Motor Sich.

[musorg]

Yes, they have nothing to pay their debt to the IMF, but here there is such a blasphemy!

[lopvlad]

China intends to collect 3,5 billion from Ukraine

the intention is wonderful, but in reality, returning this money from Ukraine can only be done by military means. In other options, the West will harness all its institutions to the fullest for Ukraine.

Of course, China can impose an embargo on the purchase of Ukrainian goods, but firstly, China buys a little more from Russia than Russia, namely $3,59 billion, and sells $9,19 billion worth of goods there.
At the same time, in the structure of Chinese purchases in Ukraine, the first place remained with ore, slag and ash (34,9%), the second position was taken by grains (25,3%), and the third place was occupied by fats and oils (19,8%).
As you can see, China in Ukraine is mainly interested in raw materials and, naturally, military technologies left over from the USSR.
At the same time, China, during the trade war with the United States, agreed to American conditions and “according to the agreement, China assumed obligations to buy US agricultural products worth $32 billion over 2 years. According to Ukrainian economists, 25% in 2020 and 30% in By 2021, all Chinese agricultural imports will come from the United States, and Beijing will also increase its purchases of American corn, poultry, chicken legs, cotton and nuts." Which in itself means an automatic reduction in the purchase of groups of goods of the same name in other countries and, therefore, in Ukraine.

Will China impose a ban on the import of its goods to Ukraine in the form of sanctions for not allowing access to Motor Sich assets and technologies? It’s unlikely that, first of all, China will lose from this, and Chinese goods will get to Ukraine through a roundabout route.

Well, there is only one way left, namely the judicial one through Western institutions, which Russia has been pursuing for 6 years now, and things are still there. And nothing will change as long as Western countries, led by the United States, support Ukraine and do not impose any sanctions against it.
So China is doomed to the same unsuccessful attempts to return the money invested in Ukraine as Russia.

[vodolaz]

The Chinese already invested money in 404 when they ordered food from them. We got the money. Haven't you learned anything?

[Mark kalendarov]

Nope... Big White Mister ordered. There is no way to disobey!!!

[flicker]

China may recover $3,5 billion from Ukraine.

Bye, it’s not Ukraine’s fault, but President Zelensky’s personally.
But for President Zelensky this is not money.
He will sell Israel and easily pay for it... there will still be left... for the children for ice cream.