New corvettes of project 20380 will receive the Zaslon radar system

New corvettes of project 20380, the contract for the construction of which the Ministry of Defense signed at the end of August this year, will receive the Zaslon radar systems. Reported by "News" with reference to the military department.

Within the framework of the Army-2020 forum, the Ministry of Defense signed a new contract for the construction of project 20380 corvettes. The parameters of the contract were not disclosed, but it was previously reported that "about a dozen" new ships would be built, most of which will go to the Pacific Fleet. The ships of the new series planned for construction will receive Zaslon integrated radar systems, capable of detecting stealth vehicles at a distance of 75 km, and simpler targets at least 300 km away.

The fact that the corvettes of the new construction will receive a multifunctional radar complex "Zaslon" with the placement of fixed antennas in a tower-like superstructure, similar to the corvettes of the 20385 project, was reported earlier. At least, such a complex is installed on the corvettes "Zealous" and "Strogiy", which are being built at the "Severnaya Verf" in St. Petersburg, as well as "Aldar Tsydenzhapov", built at the Amur Shipyard for the Pacific Fleet.

Corvettes of project 20380 are designed for operations in the near sea zone of the state, to combat surface ships and submarines of the enemy; for artillery support of naval landing during naval landing operations by launching missile and artillery attacks on ships and vessels at sea and bases; to patrol the area of ​​responsibility with a view to blocking.

Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said that the military department had signed a new state contract for the construction of Project 22350 frigates and Project 20380, 20385 corvettes.

Meanwhile, it became known that Project 21631 Buyan-M small missile ships and Project 11661 Gepard patrol ships will be upgraded with an increase in the ammunition load of the Kalibr cruise missiles. RTOs will receive 16 missiles instead of 8, and patrol ships - 24.

Comments

[rocket757]

Means of control, reconnaissance, guidance, necessary, important!
The more effective they will be .... understandable, in general.
Yes, also the means of defense and attack, no less effective in the complex should be.
In short, you need a complete set!

[Alex777]

Barrier Timokhin and Klimov recently criticized strongly ...
I don't know, really, how justified.

[rocket757]

I will not argue, I have long been far from all this! Only theoretically I can imagine how it can / should be, and then not according to the newest systems.
You need the opinion of an acting specialist, BUT, it will NEVER appear here !!! The matter is important, not for everyone. Secret.
So sho we can find out that it is only in general and who assumes how ... still all sorts of speculation !!! Without them, nowhere and in any way.

[Alex777]

I agree with your post and do not want to argue, but understand - who is right? Colleagues or MO?

[bayard]

Zaslon was scolded for its high price - about 8 billion rubles. , which raises the cost of a small ship almost one and a half times.
And this is with a very small ammunition load of the SAM.
Why such a luxury on a small ship, which should have a reasonable price and be massive - a radar, which fits on frigates?
On the "Corvette" it would be quite enough for the RLC from "Pantsir-M".
"Barrier" allows you to fire all-aspect at once at 8 - 16 targets.
How many missiles does 20380 have?
Just 12 slots for 12 9M96M missiles, or 48 9M100 missiles.
In general, criticism was for the excessive price for such small ships as the corvette.
So if you firmly decided to put the "Barrier", then let them order 20385 project at once - at a price of 20380 with "Barrier" it will not be much cheaper at all, but the combat capabilities are incommensurable.

However, nothing depends on us here, it's good that they decided to continue the 20380 series.

[Zomanus]

And this "Zaslon" can issue target designation to other vessels?
The point here may be that the ship is looking for targets and gives illumination to weapons on other ships and on land complexes.

[bayard]

Quote: Zomanus

that the ship is looking for targets and gives illumination to means of destruction on other ships and on land complexes.

Or maybe just slightly increase the VI of the ship?
So that more cells for missiles fit in?
But this will be closer to the frigate and a new power plant will be needed.

Quote: Zomanus

And this "Zaslon" can issue target designation to other vessels?

Yes, he seems to have not yet shot down a single target - it seems that it is because of him that the head corvette 20385 cannot be accepted into service. But even if it succeeds, it will be clearly redundant for a corvette. And for frigates there is already a proven "Polyment-Redut" ... and it is not a fact that the "Barrier" will be significantly cheaper than the "Polyment".
And the Investigative Committee is already "digging the ground" against these authors of the "Barrier" ...

[Omskgasmyas]

If the Barrier appeared on the ships, then the fleet gave it preference.

[bk0010]

They did not scold the complex, but its price (and manufacturer). They said about the complex that it was excessive for a corvette.

[Alex777]

The tests of the head corvette clearly showed all the problems of the Fourke, but instead of replacing it with the Positive-M, the Navy got involved in a scam to develop a "promising" integrated tower-mast complex (IBMK) "Zaslon", and an organization that did not have any experience in such developments. Subsequent events clearly show that the "justification" for this was far from "technical."
Not passed the tests and has not shot down any air target up to now "gold" at the cost of the IBMK was installed on the last ships of the project 20380 (ie, we essentially have not “ships for the fleet”, but “ships for the IBMK”).

Corvettes, however, need a quick fix. And it is.
The main thing is to return to the "Positive-M" surveillance radar, originally planned for corvettes. For target designation of missile weapons - "Mineral" (with passive HEADLIGHTS, as on project 22800), for artillery - radar "Puma".

Obviously, question number 1 now is the replacement of the radar system with a combat-ready one: without it, the corvette will be nothing more than a target, and not only for submarines.
At the same time, a decrease in the cost of the radar complex (and many times in this case) will allow to pay for the armament of the corvette with "Caliber" and other missiles used from the UVP 3S14, including PLR, with a general reduction in the price of the entire ship compared to 20380 with installed IBMK... Such ships will not only be more combat-ready than the usual 20380, not only better armed than the 20380, but also cheaper.

Something like that.
https://topwar.ru/174174-korvety-kotorye-pojdut-v-boj.html

[Ryusei]

And this is, in principle, correct, it is not the business of the corvette to reflect a massive salvo of the PKR.

[timokhin-aa]

He has nothing. There is no SAM, there are only 12 of them.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: bk0010

They did not scold the complex, but its price (and manufacturer). They said about the complex that it was excessive for a corvette.

quite right. By the way. And Thundering, therefore, has not been able to put it into operation for two years now, because the Zaslon does not want to work in principle. At the price of this megadivays in a third of the cost of a corvette ..... It is meaningless from the word at all. And by the way, the unfortunate creators again, again, according to rumors, forgot about the radio correction of the SAM. The rake dance is our everything. I understand that, uh, the main process for some sensored, but what if tomorrow is a war, moreover, simultaneously with Poland and Japan?
For example.

[rocket757]

This is clear. All the same, in the USSR, after the well-known CASES, over all sorts of "dreamers" at the state / national expense, a reasonable balance was maintained when developing various equipment for the Armed Forces !!!
BOOTS MUST TURN BOOTS, and the best !!! That is why Soviet weapons have been effective for such a long time!
The GOLDEN rule, breaking it is always ruin and frustration!

[DrEng527]

Quote: rocket757

a reasonable balance was maintained in the development of various equipment for the aircraft !!!

Seriously? look at the project 1941 Ural reconnaissance ship ...

[rocket757]

So what? The project was not completed, but the idea was dashing, it was dictated by necessity.
I had to work on a ship of this type, smaller, simpler ... a friend of mine served on a reconnaissance ship. It's okay.
I see no reason to recognize this project as wrong ... it should have been.
PS as elsewhere, they did not always follow their own rules ... for various reasons. We also had setbacks. We must remember this and not repeat the previous mistakes.

[DrEng527]

Quote: rocket757

but the idea was dashing, it was dictated by necessity.

by no means another white elephant, however, like the eagles ...

Quote: rocket757

There were failures with us

experience has shown that Americans acted smarter and more systematic ...

[rocket757]

Dressing up is pointless. They have their own cockroaches, we have our own ....

[Cyril G ...]

Justified. If we needed +10 more corvettes yesterday. And this is really so. It was necessary to build as cheaply as possible. Instead, they naturally started a squatting group copulation session.
It was impossible to somehow finish the eee Novik as a self-propelled floating boat for testing and fine-tuning the same Barrier 4-5 years ago ?? Instead, the corvettes received by the Navy will be incapable of combat for a very long time ..

[Ali]

Quote: Alex777

Barrier Timokhin and Klimov recently criticized strongly ...
I don't know, really, how justified.

Alex777. Timokhin is not an expert in radar, not so long ago he was carrying complete nonsense on radar. And Klimov usually does not touch upon the topic of air defense and missile defense.

[Alex777]

I posted a link to what I was talking about above.

[timokhin-aa]

Timokhin is not a specialist in radar, not so long ago he was carrying complete nonsense on radar

Where?

[Beregovic_1]

Rather scolded his redundancy on a ship of this class.

[timokhin-aa]

And for her, and for the fact that he does not work yet. And it is unclear whether the Ministry of Defense blamed the radio correction there or not - initially it was not there.

[Cyril G ...]

First, it is very expensive
Secondly, it is extremely redundant - in fact, a censored manufacturer climbed into the Polyment-Reduta Niche .. Do not forget for today the SAMs are exactly 16 or even 12. Small SAMs work purely for self-defense.
Thirdly, censored was rumored to have forgotten to include radio correction in the complex.
Fourth, he has not worked for two years.

[Husit]

The latest developments are still pouring out of our military-industrial complex, but for some reason they creak into the troops ...!
For sale please .. It's time to end these managers in MO !!!!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Husit

The latest developments are still pouring out of our military-industrial complex, but for some reason they creak into the troops ...!
For sale please .. It's time to end these managers in MO !!!!

These are not managers really ...
Managers do an excellent job in many industries.
And all over the world.

This is the whole problem in design bureaus.
When a designer, even a good one, even the main one, is put on managerial work, i.e. entrust him with managerial (managerial) tasks, with which the chief designer is usually not even zero, but a complete layman.
It is in such cases that complete failures occur.

[Husit]

I understand that everything is lost and it's time to give up? Everything is wrong for you, just to groan ..

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Husit

I understand that everything is lost and it's time to give up? Everything is wrong for you, just to groan ..

You just need to change the system of work of design bureaus.
Not a single super-duper designer should become the head of a design bureau.
Even in design bureaus, modern methods of personnel and enterprise management must be introduced.
Of course, adjusted for the specifics of the activity.

And the way they lived in the 80s, they still live.
Well, only computers appeared in their life.
The rest is the same outdated system.

[bk0010]

That is, you ignore the surrounding reality. When a "professional manager" is appointed, who only knows how to manage, but the enterprise is quickly "optimized", the remaining scrap metal is sold, and the territory goes under construction. Without at least five years of experience in this enterprise, it is impossible to admit a person to the management of the enterprise.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bk0010

That is, you ignore the surrounding reality. When a "professional manager" is appointed, who only knows how to manage, but the enterprise is quickly "optimized", the remaining scrap metal is sold, and the territory goes under construction. Without at least five years of experience in this enterprise, it is impossible to admit a person to the management of the enterprise.

The "optimization" you are talking about is the government cut.

I'm talking about private business.
I have seen and see hundreds and thousands of examples of really high-class managers.
Real managers.
Managers of huge and large and medium-sized enterprises.
It's all about scaling.
But, they are not in our state military-industrial complex.

[Alex777]

Not a single super-duper designer should become the head of a design bureau.

Korolev, Sakharov, Shipunov and others, no?
Shouldn't you have led him?

[sivuch]

Korolev, Sakharov, Shipunov and others, no?
Shouldn't you have led him?
Yukhnin did well. Who is Popandopulo now?

[Alex777]

Yukhnin did well. Who is Popandopulo now?

We will find out who is now leading well.
Kirienko was very effective at Rosatom.
Although not a designer, he saved the industry.

[venik]

Quote: SovAr238A

These are not managers really ...
Managers do an excellent job in many industries. And all over the world.

========
Uh-huh! That's just "all over the world" - managers "know their place" - they are engaged in finance, management tasks, personnel, procurement (i.e., ensure the work of design engineers and the normal functioning of production!) ... And only here - stick their "excessively long" managerial "nose - where it belongs no (and no one will pinch it!) - in the issues of engineering and technical policy and the development of technical concepts and projects! How many times has this happened! How many times have I seen: sitting "like this" (Sorry! - ch.m.o.): "I have an MBA degree ("Management & business administration" !!!!)"and" supervises "- it is necessary -"so", need to "that way"..... And then in the exact sciences and technology - like a" pig in oranges "!!!
It just takes anger !!!

[_Ugene_]

For sale please .. It's time to end these managers in MO !!!!

as soon as the budget has enough money, the troops will have a lot of the most modern weapons, unfortunately with the current resource model of the Russian economy this is not possible (or you need to drive the entire population into poverty, but then wait for the orange revolution and the collapse of the country), and no progress in this there is no direction, so you need to be glad that our weapons are being bought, at least with this money they will do something for their army

[Mountain shooter]

Good news. Finished, then ... This system will strengthen the fleet, fact.

[Alex777]

The good news is that 20385 will continue to build.
After I set the "towers" of the second pair 20380 on 20385, I decided that was it. We decided to stop at 2. But no. A couple more 20385 signed.
It is quite logical to strengthen the KUG from 20380.

[timokhin-aa]

We didn’t finish anything, the system doesn’t work.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Didn't finish anything, the system doesn't work

Put a non-working system into service? Can you give more details?

[timokhin-aa]

Subsystems of ships are not accepted for service as separate products, there is a different procedure for acceptance at all, this is not a tank or a machine gun.

The criterion is the delivery of the warship.
The only ship with the "Barrier", which reached the state tests, is the "Thundering". They have not been able to pass it for more than a year, and in August they again extended the delivery until December. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense has already reported about successful firing with offensive weapons.

So this is an air defense system. But the launcher and the rocket are serial there and on other projects work "like clockwork". So this is the radar. The ship is in the factory, it was not even shown at the GVMP, that is, either there are such problems that the VGK is even afraid to remind about this ship, or it has been disassembled, as Gorshkov had previously figured out.

Hence the conclusions.

This is if you do not use insider information, of course.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: timokhin-aa

But the launcher and the rocket are serial there and on other projects work "like clockwork".

Well, not like a clock. Everything works completely not as intended, but through the fifth point.
Although, at least it works, and that is bread.

[timokhin-aa]

Problems with missiles, as far as I know, were solved.

[Cyril G ...]

Not with missiles. There were problems with the organization of the shooting. Yes, they solved it by a roundabout maneuver. But the Zaslon knocked out a flimsy support from under the corvette's air defense contour, as a result of which the entire contour collapsed ...

[timokhin-aa]

This is about shooting the Puma. I wrote PU and rocket. They work. Launcher working and working rocket.
There was no talk about the whole complex

[tihonmarine]

I'm looking at the photo, probably taken on "Fleet Day", in the Passenger Port, and the Passenger Station building is still alive.

[alexmach]

And not the notorious "Barrier" in the photo at all :)

[Husit]

Quote: alexmach

And not the notorious "Barrier" in the photo at all :)

So you put it here in the photo and posted .. It was 10 years ago, everything was laid out to the delight of some members of the forum here .. Now they are already howling lay out and prove gee gee But figs to all of them !!!!

[alexmach]

And then all of a sudden
op

And of course, yes, the author's lack of understanding is justified by considerations of secrecy.

[Cyril G ...]

this is already in your photo, he is the Polyment-Redoubt

[alexmach]

Also "Akela missed"

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: alexmach

And not the notorious "Barrier" in the photo at all :)

Corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" on demagnetization. So he has the IBMK.

[Doccor18]

it was previously reported that "about a dozen" new ships will be built, the bulk of which will go to the Pacific Fleet ...

It is very good that the fleet is being updated, slowly, but it is progressing.
But these corvettes would look more worthy in the Baltic, Black, on the edge, in the Mediterranean. But for the North and Pacific Ocean, the ship is frankly small. It is clear that without fish ...
I had to go on ships of 4000-ton displacement in the Kuril region, chatted so that the coca cooked dinner three times (the boilers flew off the stoves), and here the ship is half as much. With such a turbulence, and there it is for 9 months a year, there will be very big problems with the use of weapons systems.
I have not been to the Northern Fleet, but it looks like there the same problem will face the corvettes.

[alexmach]

But for the North and Pacific Ocean, the ship is frankly small. It is clear that without fish ...

Are Lightning and Albatrosses too small for them?

[Doccor18]

Are Lightning and Albatrosses too small for them?

Of course too small. But they have their own specific tasks, which are nevertheless carried out closer to the coast. And corvettes 20380 are hailed as multipurpose platforms, which are almost equal to frigates, and the tasks are set already in the far sea zone.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Doccor18

chattered so that the coca cooked dinner three times (the boilers flew off the stoves),

A good cook puts on "windstorms" and binds pans, and lids too. And the old man needs to wind up his ears for oversight. And when was it not stormy in the Pacific and the North? There all the time "head-legs". And nothing "as a person gets used to everything, so MU-MU is used to city life ....."

[sir.jonn]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Doccor18

chattered so that the coca cooked dinner three times (the boilers flew off the stoves),

A good cook puts on "windstorms" and binds pans, and lids too. And the old man needs to wind up his ears for oversight. And when was it not stormy in the Pacific and the North? There all the time "head-legs". And nothing "as a person gets used to everything, so MU-MU is used to city life ....."

In-in! From autumn to spring in the north, steamers of at least 0,5 or 50 thousand with a displacement of mama chatter do not cry, there waves about half a kilometer long walk.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sir.jonn

From autumn to spring in the north, steamers of at least 0,5 or 50 thousand with a displacement of mama chatter do not cry, there waves about half a kilometer long walk.

Nature cannot be fooled as long as the oceans are stronger than man.

[Doccor18]

From autumn to spring, in the north, steamers of at least 0,5 or 50 thousand with a displacement of mama chatter do not cry ...

I thought so too, until we somehow passed the same course with a Japanese frigate. He throws us like a fishing junk, but he walks evenly. Still, the roll damper system works great. However, it is also considerable, it also requires a displacement reserve.

[Doccor18]

A good cook puts on "windstorms" and binds pans, and lids too ..

There were storms. But about tying, I don't know.
But they received luli regularly. And laughter, and sin, and seem to be guilty, and it was a pity for them ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Doccor18

But about tying, I don't know.

Yes, calmly 50 ltr. you tie by the handles with four ends, like on a double "fertoinog", well, you can't pour more than 2/3. A deep bowl of "luminous" for the people, and the same spoon (I have my own one) and the guys slurp and borscht from it and pasta "with garbage". You can also compote.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Doccor18

And laughter, and sin, and seem to be guilty, and it was a pity for them ...

Yeah, even if a fat borscht is poured onto the galley deck, that's the one and the laugh and the sin.

[timokhin-aa]

On the Quiet, the ship completely "entered". Their seaworthiness is good, by the way.

[NEXUS]

(RLK) "Zaslon", capable of detecting devices made using stealth technology at a distance of 75 km, simpler targets - no less than 300 km.

Taking into account the range of modern anti-ship missiles, the detection radius is small. For good, the detection radius should be one and a half to two times the range of the most long-range anti-ship missiles of the foe.

[ficus2003]

These figures are quite arbitrary and vary from the weather to the desire to get publicity or hide the real facts.

[bayard]

Quote: NEXUS

Taking into account the range of modern anti-ship missiles, the detection radius is small.

Small?
For a surface ship?
And at what height will those "modern anti-ship missiles" go?
Big?
Average?
Or is it small?
And at low altitude, at what distance from the ship will this anti-ship missile emerge from under the radio horizon? If its height is 30, or God forbid 15 meters?
And the ship's radar can detect it at a distance of no more than 35 km. , and most likely 15 - 20 km.
And at higher altitudes "STELS" devices will be found at 75 km. ... and regular targets (aircraft) are at a distance of 300 km.
Not every frigate has such a detection range, but here the corvette VI has 2200 tons.
This is EXCESSIVE for this class of ships.
Because :
a) All the same, the ammunition load is very small, therefore after several volleys all this luxury (smart radar) will become completely useless, and the ship will be defenseless.
b) The cost of such an RLK ("Barrier") is like the full price of a "Karakurt" -type RTO ... with "Pantsir-M" on board.

So it turns out that the ship is small, under-armed, without PLUR, but with a smart radar ... and VERY expensive.
If you decided to install the "Barrier", then they would order not 20380, but 20385, because the price will be almost the same, but there will be no UKSK, into which you can charge not only "Caliber" and "Onyx", but also PLUR. After all, this radar is almost a third of the cost of the corvette. In any case, the entire air defense system (with launchers and missiles) will definitely make up a third of the cost. So if you really pay that kind of money, it's better for 20385.
Or to reduce the cost of the project SIMPLIFY the radar, but install the UKSK.
This would be a useful thing - for the same money, 30% more ships would be built.
And the really resulting radar station should be provided for the future escort frigate - cheaper than the Gorshkov.

[timokhin-aa]

The most long-range LRASM, there are many hundreds of kilometers, a low-altitude rocket. There are no such radars

[Cyril G ...]

It is not known that Project 21631 Buyan-M small missile ships and Project 11661 Gepard patrol ships will be upgraded with an increase in the ammunition load of Kalibr cruise missiles. RTOs will receive 16 missiles instead of 8, and patrol ships - 24.

As I understand it, the dirty and dishonest lobbyists decided to bend the Ministry of Defense for the construction of new RTOs and Cheetahs?
If all the same, modernization - then this is real only by the introduction of inclined PU. This is a sensible decision.

Means of control, reconnaissance, guidance, necessary, important!
The more effective they will be .... understandable, in general.
Yes, also the means of defense and attack, no less effective in the complex should be.
In short, you need a complete set!

You definitely understand that such a radar will come out at a price of about a third of the cost of a ship, with a minimum increase in efficiency. So the point? The combination of Mineral + Puma + Positive will cost several times cheaper with comparable efficiency

The latest developments are still pouring out of our military-industrial complex, but for some reason they creak into the troops ...!
For sale please .. It's time to end these managers in MO !!!!

Quite right. Thundering with the Barrier for the second year in a row trying to surrender to the fleet to no avail, Doesn't work from the word at all ..

But for the North and Pacific Ocean, the ship is frankly small. It is clear that without fish ...

In the coastal zone, to ensure the deployment of SSBNs and nuclear submarines, they are vital ...

For good, the detection radius should be one and a half to two times the range of the most long-range anti-ship missiles of the foe.

Physics cannot be fooled, everything is within the radio horizon ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Comrades sailors! Enlighten, please, what kind of "Lender's gun" in the photo? Behind the main battery turret, on the right?
Or is it some kind of salute weapon?

[Cyril G ...]

This is a 76,2 mm ship salute gun SP-1M

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thank. So I was not mistaken.

[CommanderDIVA]

"MRK will receive 16 missiles instead of 8, and patrol ships - 24" - we already have the Kalibr missile on new frigates, parts of diesel and nuclear submarines, possibly new icebreakers, probably our Ministry of Defense will use any sea platform to deploy the missile in order to reach parity with the Americans, they have "Tomahawks" in my opinion on cruisers, destroyers and part of the nuclear submarine

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

any offshore platform for placement of CD, in order to achieve parity with the Americans,

What for? It is meaningless, from a word at all. It is enough for us to strengthen the air carriers of the KR, by using part of the Il-96 standing in a layover as carriers of the KR, well, and to strengthen the missile brigades with new SPUs to launch the Caliber.

[CommanderDIVA]

"Il-96 is a Soviet and Russian passenger wide-body aircraft for medium and long-haul airlines" - this is from Vicki, do we have cars designed to launch the CD? In my opinion, something flashed about the ground "Caliber" in the media, but then the range of application of the CD will be limited by the borders of our country, and the fleet can launch the CD from almost anywhere in the world ocean

[timokhin-aa]

probably our Ministry of Defense uses any offshore platform to host the CD

No, it is Mistakhov who uses the stupidity (at best) of Rear Admiral Tryapichnikov to master the budget.
There will be no war anyway. Never.

[Castro Ruiz]

A RLK Zaslon dolzhen bit zagorizontniy (300 km).

[bars1]

It is a pity that the hopes of Klimov and Timokhin did not come true ...

[Cyril G ...]

Why are the corvettes laid down, and will it fall on them shelter the issue is not resolved, let's say so.

[Ali]

Quote: Alex777

Barrier Timokhin and Klimov recently criticized strongly ...
I don't know, really, how justified.

Alex777. Timokhin is not an expert on radar, as he carried nonsense about radar on past topics, showing his ignorance. And Klimov usually did not touch on this topic.

[timokhin-aa]

The mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat the cactus.
No, we can't do without a second Tsushima.
God is not a fraer, such a stupid contingent cannot be left without a lesson.

All sea contracts of the "Barrier" failed. In aviation, nothing they put on yet works. On "Thundering" again another "shift to the right", now until December. The ship is not combat-ready, and there are no guarantees that it will be combat-ready in the foreseeable future.
There are no guarantees that it will be AT ALL combat capable with the "Zaslonovsky" RLK.
At the same time, the RLC costs almost as much as the first Karakurt RTOs cost.
And MO, knowing all this, still subscribes to these crafts.
Stunned.

Right now, with "Tsydenzhapov", the same will start, but it doesn't matter to everyone. Then with "Zealous", with "Strict", with "Agile"
This is how much power "Zaslonovsky" patron saint in the Military-Industrial Commission has!
Just imagine - you can question the whole of Russia for the sake of simply filling your pocket, and so for tens of years, with impunity, openly. Up to the direct CANCELING of Putin's orders - and more than once. How can this be?

Sometimes it seems to me that a citizen succumbs to the president when he meets with his foot. In any case, I do not understand how it is possible to create SUCH and not suffer with a lower level of power.
Maybe the aliens put him on the watch? Otherwise, I don't understand how you can do this. The "Barrier" has the most reliable roof in the world, apparently.

[DrEng527]

nothing lasts forever under the moon, the roof will also leak ...

[reader65]

Just think, 7 billion rubles. The barrier stands. On a non-existent Poseidon 350 billion rubles. "mastered" and reported to Pu and nothing. One million rubles from each pre-retirement. take and approx.