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Russia and the hostile environment. Understanding the problem

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The growing pressure on the Russian Federation from the United States and the West, constant provocations (from poisoning, to sending bombers to our borders), the growth of hostile rhetoric of the West have already reached such a level in aggregate that it is time to ask the question: where will they stop? And what will make them stop?


This is not an idle question, but, unfortunately, hordes of "leavened patriots" interfere with the discussion of this topic. Being brought to the masses, it immediately overgrows dying from (write in any reason) America, its dead nuclear complex (but excluding transport reactors, the "patriots" will pretend that they do not exist), the African American revolution (in the 60s everything was worse at times, and nothing) and in the end with a crash crashing into the US coast SPA 2A05 "Poseidon".

This question, however, must be raised again, and here's why. The West is pressing not just because of political preferences. The West presses for reasons so deep that they are de facto irreparable. For Western countries to at least temporarily begin to cooperate with Russia in a more or less massive form and more or less sincerely, a threat of the level of Adolf Hitler is needed, no less. But she is not, and now, apparently, will not be.

The underlying reasons pushing the West to actions hostile to us are so strong that, coupled with the general superiority of the West in strength (industry, technology, economy, culture, population - all together), they leave only one likely outcome of the anti-Russian crusade we are now observing.

And the outcome is this: in the long term, our country, language (apparently, even languages, the great and mighty Russian will not be alone in this case), the cultures of those who inhabit it, and yes - the capital of those who own them - are doomed. We are all doomed, from Putin to the Stalinist Vasya, who cannot in any way master the replacement of wallpaper in an old apartment. Lucky only those who die before our system dies. Probably, due to his age, Putin will still have time to get into this list of "lucky ones", but some of those reading this text have a good chance of seeing the death of everything before he himself is "multiplied by zero." And that's why.

Russia as a systemic problem of human civilization


How can you quickly and fully realize the significance of this or that phenomenon? The answer is simple: you need to simulate reality as if this phenomenon does not exist. For example, if you ask some reasonable (keyword) person about whether it is good that antibiotics were invented, then this reasonable person will imagine the nightmare that would be happening in our overcrowded cities without antibiotics, and say that yes, antibiotics are definitely good. And that without them it would be bad.

Let's imagine for a second that our country does not exist. Not in the sense that instead of her there is a whole brood of bantustans, but that she is NOT AT ALL. That she disappeared completely.

That's it.


What would the world be like if such a miracle happened, if, like in that old Ukrainian joke, all Muscovites flew into space? An unbiased view shows that such a world would be much more stable than it is now. There is a world military and technological leader, the richest society in the world, whose supremacy (we will not call THIS the proud word "leadership", so popular overseas) is simply no one to challenge. There is really no one. China has Russia behind its back, the Iranians also deep down in their hearts understand that this country, which they do not love (and they do not love us, and strongly), in some situations will turn out to be a lifesaver, and in others, it strongly constrains the freedom of action of the world hegemon. No Russia - no magic wand, the hegemon's hands become completely untied, and as a result, there will be no Iran.

There is nowhere to buy a T-72 in conditions when you will not be sold an Abrams or Leo, there is no opportunity to buy an S-300 or an S-400 if you are denied the delivery of the Patriots. But this is a trifle, because there is nowhere to buy grain either, if not from the hegemon. Nothing canbe done. In a world where Muscovites all flew into space together, there will be no resistance to the hegemon. At all. No one will even say a word against it, everyone will silently do what they are told. Of course, individual tribes in Afghanistan will resist, but they can be hunted down by some VX, and there will be no one on the whole planet who could muster the courage and say that killing VX is bad. There will be no one to appeal to.

Moreover, the hegemon himself will be much better than now. It will be possible to reduce the army to the role of a colonial police with a nuclear weapons... All these super-expensive toys like nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles will not be needed. There will be no one to threaten them. And this is economic growth, growth in the quality of infrastructure and the quality of life of the population. These are investments in the technology of the future, which are now being spent on repairs of new "Ohio".

And in Asia, billions of people work for the world order. They do not buy themselves brand new Geely and fashionable smartphones from Xiaomi - because their role in the world is completely different. They must work in silence and not consume anything beyond the limit of resources allocated to them. And other Asians, dark-skinned and brown-eyed, must extract oil. They do not and cannot have either national space programs or nuclear reactors.

This world, when deeply examined, looks scary. Or even scary.

It will be especially scary for those who do not fit into it "in little detail" and will fall under some kind of optimization. There was such a community in Vietnam - Song Mi. Her example shows very well how the hegemon would act with his hands untied, starting from his moral principles.

But at the same time, this scary world is absolutely stable: all the roles are assigned once and for all, the "players" have absolutely no opportunity to move to another level. This civilization, with all its ugliness, is energetically optimal, there is nothing superfluous in it.

All processes within it, all the exchange of matter and information are optimized and performed with minimal energy consumption, at the cost of minimal effort. In the final stories English-speaking people with English names and surnames will fly to the stars. It won't be so soon, it won't be so soon that by then they will have forgotten that non-English speakers could also fly into space. As in American science fiction. And this world is eternal. There is no one to "sway" him. There is no one and nothing: all power, all military technology and the production of weapons are in the hands of one civilization, it also controls food and all world logistics, and this control is indisputable.

But our real world is unstable. Suboptimal. In it, the hegemon has to look around. In it, the hegemon is forced to endure the arrogant antics of the Russians in Syria - because the Russians have nuclear weapons, and the arrogant antics of the Chinese - because the Russians once taught them how to make nuclear weapons and taught them how to make non-nuclear ones, and also because they now with the Chinese in many ways at the same time. And many other insolent antics also have to be endured, because anyone can buy weapons from the Russians or Chinese or even call them to their territory. You have to have an army and a navy that are not at all like the colonial police, and pay for it. We have to bear losses.

You have to do a lot that is neither optimal for the hegemon, nor necessary. At the same time, the planet is periodically shaken by confrontations of the Cold War type. And before that - the "big game" between the Russians and the forerunner of the hegemon - the British, whose society is already almost part of the hegemonic civilization.

The world that Russia is in is unstable. It looks like a car with two motors of different powers. It is impossible to put everything in order once and for all, it is impossible to eliminate or reduce the mass of "operating costs". Rivalry flourishes in him. Moreover, all of the above is not something necessary for the existence of mankind, and the stability of this existence is so simply harmful.

Introduces extra "drive".

This is a systemic problem. To get it right, we need a little theoretical explanation.

One of the amazing discoveries of sociology of the twentieth century is, firstly, the establishment of how social processes are similar to thermodynamic ones, and secondly, the understanding that the principles and laws of the theory of systems acting on physical systems, in the same way apply to social systems, on societies. Hence, for example, such concepts as "social entropy" or "social overheating", "social system", etc. appeared.

The principles of systems theory as applied to people and their societies have acquired particular importance. Previously, the author raised these issues in a short article, a fragment of which it makes sense to cite in full:

An important example for us is the social application of the physical principle of Le Chatelier - Brown, which in physics says: “... if a system in stable equilibrium is influenced from the outside, changing any of the equilibrium conditions (temperature, pressure, concentration, external electromagnetic field ), then the processes in the system are intensified, directed towards counteracting changes. "
And for societies, that is, social systems, this is also true, for example, an attempt by the state authorities to prohibit the Telegram messenger led to the fact that the processes of opposition in society sharply intensified, for example, people began to share with each other methods of bypassing blocking, etc. after all, the presence or absence of Telegram has almost no effect on the quality of life of a citizen: there are WhatsApp, Viber and other similar systems. But there is a protest. Remembering any example from history, when someone pressed on someone, you can immediately recall examples of opposition. Someone might think that such opposition is an inalienable property of man, but in fact it is an inalienable property of everything.
Now let's abstractly (for now) consider the totality of societies occupying certain, connected territories. Let us assume that between them there is an established exchange of goods, a hierarchy, a balance of power.
And suddenly, a force external to this stable system suddenly appears. It begins to actively rebuild the architecture of relations between societies, "switch over" material flows, generate or make publicly destructive information for the established order of things. Moreover, it settles on an important territory for the communication of societies with each other. Will such an invasion generate opposition from the “beneficiaries” of the established order and “neutrals” generally satisfied with their status? Definitely yes.
Now let's move the focus forward in time. This power exists. She has already survived the first attempts of the "neighbors" to produce her "rejection". Will her position be stable? No, they will always try to either knock it out of its positions, taking away controlled material flows, or simply destroy it, if forces allow.
To complete the picture, let's call all societies the word “countries”.
And the external force that interferes with everyone, which is also a country, let's call Russia.
Is there a puzzle?

Alas, this is so. Our country and its population is that fifth wheel in the world cart, because of which the cart cannot go smoothly and evenly where its owners want. And this state of affairs leads to an important consequence for us.

Given the existing centers of power in the world today, the balance of power between them will always develop in such a way that the destruction of Russia will be a desired or generally necessary action for one or several such centers. This is due to the very nature of things and does not depend on human will.

We are the fifth wheel in the cart. The world without us will be much more stable and simpler. We give human civilization a very large structural redundancy. And, according to the laws of the universe, the “civilization” system will ALWAYS try to get rid of this redundancy. Get rid of us.

For us will be only those who are next in line for "optimization", or those who stand in front of us in it. And only while they are being threatened. For example, the Syrians. And, in fact, this is what we observe, right?

The conventional West, in theory, may even try to achieve peaceful coexistence, but will not be able to. Simply because, developing naturally and harmoniously, the West will rest against the fact that the very fact of Russia's existence ties its hands and forces it to limit itself.

A trivial question - to forward a gas pipeline through Syria on the Mediterranean coast and get gas on the coast, it’s known what. And ANY issue affecting the interests of this large Eurasian country turns into the same thing. Russia has never been a threat to the West, the West is immeasurably stronger, but it has always interfered, like a stick in a wheel, by the very fact that it exists. And obstacles must be removed, this is also a natural property of human societies. Interference forces you to do unproductive work, increases risks and costs, and generally "raises entropy."

This is precisely the reason for the problems that Russia has with the world centers of power from the moment from which they learned about it. Our conflict with the West is insoluble in our traditional categories. No way.

But this is half of our problems. There is another one, which, together with the first, gives a powerful synergistic effect and aggravates our difficulties like nothing else. We are talking about the qualities of the dominant civilization in the world - the Anglo-Saxons.

Main enemy


First of all, it is necessary to outline the contours of the super-society that confronts us. It includes the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand together. We are not dealing only with America.

This alone makes the confrontation almost hopeless, at least in the form we are used to and understand. The forces are too unequal. At the same time, the fundamental difference between Anglo-Saxon culture from any other is the organic inability to come to terms with the existence of other cultures of equal status. And this makes peaceful coexistence impossible.

Rudyard Kipling once wrote about us like this:

Do not misunderstand me: every Russian is the sweetest person as long as he wears his shirt outside. As an Asian he is charming. But as soon as he tucked his shirt into his pants, like a European, and begins to insist that Russians should not be treated as the most western of the eastern peoples, but, on the contrary, as the most eastern of the western, he turns into an ethnic misunderstanding, with which, rightly, not easy to deal with.

We know very well how the British treated the Eastern peoples, there is no need to decipher. But let's say that Kipling has a very soft assessment of us, one of the softest in comparison with other Englishmen. And even in this mild assessment, there is simply a sense of superiority that Kipling has in relation to "these Asians." And, admittedly, in English eyes we are not the only ones. By and large, the British see all non-English people this way. And this attitude was completely transferred to their cultural offspring - the Americans.

Evolving through the centuries-old war with "outsiders" -Indians, which periodically degenerated into real genocide, through the centuries-old use of "outsiders" -slaves, this attitude in American brains took simply monstrous forms, which only German Nazis could surpass in terms of the cruelty of the consequences, and for a very short time.

There is no need to analyze the evolution of this system of views, it is better to go straight to the results. Let's start with a prime example.

Now the United States is shaken by protests, which initially (now no longer) were a form of protest by the black population of the United States against racism. The Russians do not understand what they were against there, because the United States already had a black president.

In fact, this is a consequence of the fact that the Anglo-Saxon culture, which dominates in the country, simply does not accept them, blacks. Subconsciously, white Americans simply cannot come to terms with the fact that these completely different blacks are also people, and even equal to them. And this is not the policy of the authorities, this is the Anglo-Saxon mentality. This is true at all levels, starting with the everyday.

In America, black women straighten their hair. Every time you see an African-American woman with straight hair in a photo or video, know that she is tormented every day with a curling iron in order to unwind her natural curls. What for? It's just that when you at least somehow look like a white woman, your chances of finding a job are slightly higher, your chances of running into rudeness are slightly lower, the chances of being stopped by the police for a search on the street are also lower. A couple of years ago, in one of the states, an 11-year-old girl was kicked out of class for a fluffy hairstyle. And she is so by nature - like all blacks.

And in the United States, skin whitening products are sold. The lighter the skin, the more sympathy can be aroused in a white recruiter. And the policeman has fewer questions. A black teenager knows that when cops, he can't keep his hands in his pockets, but a white one standing next to him can. Their life consists of such "little things" completely, and no one can get away from this. Michelle Obama struggled with a curling iron every morning so that her husband's rating among white housewives did not drop.

No exit. You can be anyone and have any money, but the culture that surrounds you does not accept you, does not agree with your existence and will never agree.

And they are sometimes killed for these reasons. Black looks somehow suspicious, it is better to shoot just in case. Even when it's some medical student with no criminal record.

"Mom" of computer-aided design of ship hulls, Ray Montague, threw out the curling iron only after retiring. Someone will say that this is a trifle but imagine how trivial things look there, if such are trivialities.

It is not hard to guess under what monstrous psychological pressure they live. And these riots were originally just a “spring straightened out”. A consequence of the "social entropy" described in the article at the link above, which has grown to unbearable values. It was only later that the democrats straddled this wave in their own interests, it was only later that the "antifa" got in there.

What is most important in all this? And the fact that for a century and a half the white Anglo-Saxon culture has not finally come to terms with the fact of the existence of blacks in a quality other than property. Slavery was abolished in 1865, 155 years ago. In any other society, the black minority would have been assimilated long ago, and the external features of the blacks would have become a variant of the norm.

But in the Anglo-Saxon culture of the United States, it was not until the 1960s that they got rid of the obligation to give way to whites in vehicles or parks on a bench. Nothing helped: black and white Americans climbed under the bullets in Vietnam, pulled each other out from under fire, and even this did not help overcome the split. How strong must aversion to “others” be, if even that doesn't help bring down the walls between people?

Well, the fact that the “answer” rolls out from the “black” side is already a natural consequence: all this criminal rap, screaming defiant style and the like. Of course, this "response" ultimately kills the blacks themselves, turning their entire community into a criminalized and cruel rabble, giving rise to a retaliatory black racism, but the white majority is not interested in this; as exotic animals, standing a class below, white blacks are quite accepted, even despite all the gangsta costs.

The biggest mistake would be to see this as "just racism." Everyone has racial prejudices, including us. But for the Americans and, more broadly, the Anglo-Saxons, racism is a consequence of the fundamental inability to see in a "stranger" an equal person. And, as a consequence, the impossibility of recognizing equal status for other cultures

This applies fully to our culture, even though we are white. We commit a crime in their eyes by the very fact of our existence. This is not an exaggeration. They would accept us, if we agreed with a subordinate position, switch to English and go into the shadow of the "exceptional nation" (of course, this applies to those who are indistinguishable from white Americans). But we don't want that, do we?

The perception of “others” is most vividly manifested in American wars.

January 6, 2012 John Tyrman, Scientist and Executive Director of the Center for International Studies at MIT and author of the book Death of Others: The Fate of Civilians in America's Wars, published an article in the Washington Post that is short but extremely important in terms of understanding what the United States is and why this country behaves this way. The article is called Why We Ignore Civilians Killed in American Wars... The author quickly leads the reader to a simple and undeniable answer to the question in the title:

Our self-worth, based on what cultural historian Richard Slotkin calls the “myth of the frontier,” in which righteous violence is used to subjugate or destroy the savages of whatever land we try to conquer plays a large role. For hundreds of years, the "frontier myth" has been one of America's strongest national myths.
When communism in Korea and Vietnam challenged us, we called on these cultural ties to understand the US mission abroad. The same is true for Iraq and Afghanistan, as the media and politicians often portray Islamic terrorists as savages from the borderlands.
By presenting each of these wars as a struggle for civilization against a lawless culture, we, in essence, classify the local population as the Indians of our North American conquest. Robert D. Kaplan, a foreign policy writer, wrote in 2004 on his Wall Street Journal page: “The red Indian metaphor is one that the liberal policy nomenclature might be uncomfortable with, but Army and Marine field officers have embraced it because it responds perfectly to the military challenge of the early 21st century.

There is a synergistic effect - the rejection of "aliens" was superimposed on the historical experience of their military conquest and, periodically, extermination, an experience that is glorified in the national epic as heroic. Now you have to repeat, and they repeat. All their victims are Indians for them.

This urge to kill is a trauma in American culture that has greatly exacerbated the British inherited rejection of the concept of "equal strangers." Americans are ready to accept the existence of "outsiders". But in a subordinate position and, according to Kipling, "with a shirt outside."

Or with a complete rejection of identity, altering the name in the English manner, and so on. And only whites. Attempts to occupy an equal position without becoming an American will end badly, as we see in our case.

Such a view of the world could not fail to give rise to political doctrine, and he gave birth to it.

Beautiful-hearted elves from the ranks of liberals sometimes say that there is no ideology in America, but it is there, it is formalized, described in the literature and has a name. We are talking about the so-called ideology of American exceptionalism - American Exceptionalism.

Alas, some nonsense is written about this phenomenon in Russian: like all important things, in translation it is given with a strong distortion. Therefore, learn English, you cannot know the contents of the enemy's head if you do not speak his language, and today understanding the enemy is vital for us.

But if there is nothing sensible in Russian, then in the original language there is. Let's translate the pomace.

American exclusivity is a set of three dogmas that assert that, firstly, the history of the United States, which did not know monarchy, feudalism and legislative inequality of citizens (blacks do not count), is better, cleaner and more progressive than that of other countries; secondly, that America's moral duty is to transform the world in its progressive image and likeness, and, thirdly, since America's history is better than other nations and since it has a progressive moral duty that other nations do not, America is morally the moral point of view is superior to other nations.

Tens of millions of Americans are sincerely convinced that non-Americans have no moral right to compare themselves to Americans. In online discussions, some may bluntly discard any argument with the phrase: “There can be no moral equality between us and ...” (write anyone).

From the point of view of a follower of the ideology of American exceptionalism, arguments like “yes, we accidentally covered civilians in Syria with our bombs, but you killed many more civilians there, so shut up” make no sense. That is, they cannot even be discussed - because they do not make sense in principle. Non-America cannot compare itself to America because America has an innate moral superiority over non-America.

Did our bombs kill someone there? But we are good, we wanted to make these people better, we just made a mistake. And you wanted to make things worse, and you have no and cannot have any excuses. Did you want to do better yourself? Then you would be at the same time with us, because we are a priori good, and all the rest are good insofar as they are at the same time with us. This means that you have no right to pretend to good intentions, good is America, and not some nonsense about the salvation of the innocent that you are carrying here.

Is it good to cut the Christian population of Syria to zero? Yes, because we Americans do it. And if you wanted to slaughter the Syrian Christians, and we would oppose you, then it would be good to protect the Syrian Christians, and not an attempt at their genocide. Do you understand how good is different from evil? You are against us, therefore you are evil. A priori. It doesn't matter that we kill children, and you save them. We kill them in the name of good, and since you stand in our way, then you are evil. We ourselves will stand in the way of evil and will fight against you, we are Americans, we never deviate from the right path and we never give up.


Russia and the hostile environment. Understanding the problem

So they come to one country after another and burn everything to the ground in the name of their "values"

So it is "stitched" in their heads. They are guided by this. From our point of view, all this is just an extremely exotic form of basically banal fascism. But for them, this is the central point in their perception of the world.

It sounds cartoonish, but many of them actually believe in all this, believe earnestly, so much so that it completely unties their hands and turns off normal human morality. And they are actually ready to fight and die for this set of ideas. Let's take Libya as an example. A shattered state, turned into a continuous war zone, with slave markets and rocket attacks on hospitals, without electricity, but with terrorists - and there is no end in sight to all the horror that occurs there. Do you think many in the United States regret this?

No, as well as for Agent Orange, Song Mi, burned with the people of Fallujah and everything else. None of them repent.

And the reasons are obvious. If the American nation is exceptional, then others are a priori non-exclusive. If the American nation is higher than others, then others are a priori lower, the opposite is not true even from the point of view of logic. Because there is no “just superiority”. If you consider yourself superior to others, it means that you consider others inferior to yourself. It's unavoidable.

And much of this stems from American politics. Famous American historian and public figure Michael Ledin put it this way (later it became known as the "Ledin Doctrine"): "Once every ten years or so, we have to pick up some squalid little country and smash it against the wall just to show everyone how we do business."

This is a perfectly logical setting. Excellence requires sometimes to point out to others about their status. The most intelligible method to point someone in his place is humiliation, and what is the highest form of humiliation? This is murder. Which is what we see in Iraq, Syria and other places.

But what if someone who, in your opinion, is lower than you, but behaves like an equal, and you cannot put him in his place at once, how will you feel towards him?

Hatred.

To illustrate, let us quote from another authoritative and famous person in America - Graham Ellison, a figure who is incomparably higher than Ledin in the American table of ranks.

Ellison is a prominent American scientist, Harvard professor, former Assistant Secretary of Defense of the United States, member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, laureate of all kinds of prizes for peace (!) and a respected person in the States (with a citizen's personal page on Wikipedia can be found here, there are all titles and regalia). And now a quote about those who have forgotten where they belong:

“No matter how demonic Russia is, no matter how destructive and dishonorable it is, and no matter how it deserves to be strangled, the cruel truth is that we cannot kill this bastard without committing suicide.”

How much melancholy there is. However much the Russians deserve to be strangled, we cannot strangle them, because we will perish ourselves. How painful! And if this limiting factor were not there? What would have happened then? Moreover, there is an even more important question: what if the Americans have the opportunity to "strangle" without dying? What will they do then?

If someone doubts that a public authoritative public figure could have said this, then here is an article he personally wrote for the National Interest (English source for unbelievers).

At one time, the author was greatly affected by the rumor in American the news the way the Americans cover the flights of their astronauts on the Soyuz. Usually it is "Our John Smith and two Russians." Russians almost never have names. A trifle, but indicative.

This approach is basic for the United States. It is due to the properties of the population of this country and will never disappear. This is the model of attitudes towards “strangers” that their archetype dictates to them. This is who and what we are dealing with. And there is no need to remember your experience of communicating with these nice and good-natured people, the author also has experience of communicating with Americans, however, ANOTHER.

They are just that, and their friendliness is feigned, and they themselves do not hide it. They smile at each other and everyone else just like that, there are no real emotions behind this feigned friendliness. This is not friendliness, this is hypocrisy - at least that is how the American way of communicating has been called in Russian at all times.

In general, they do not hide when they communicate “among their own”. Fresh out of the box: on the popular Navy Matters blog sounded the American view ON ALL opponents of the United States:

Our enemies are enemies because they are evil, corrupt, dictatorial hooligans. They are not rational people. They act at the animal level of stimuli and responses.

This is roughly what the "regular Joe" thinks. About us (if you don't understand yet). You can find a whole book of such things on the American Internet. There are, of course, opposite examples. The obsession with American exclusivity and the desire to pin everyone to the nail is a feature of the MINORITY of Americans. The problem is that this minority is BIG ENOUGH AND ACTIVE. And the passive majority will not resist.

What is the vision of the future for American society? Fortunately for us, Americans do not hide how they want to see the world in the distant future.

FUTURECIDE


One of the consequences of the American idea of ​​the need to remake the world in the image and likeness of America can be observed in space fiction. What are the names of the people who conquered the universe in American science fiction books? English. Not always, but very often. And how do they address each other? Yes, also in English - mister, sir and the like. At the same time, the fact that there is someone else besides American-like earthlings is mentioned in some books, and in some not. As if there are no non-English-speaking cultures. Simply not, they are outside the plot. Nobody says that they DO NOT AT ALL. They just don't mention it.

However, there are also honest writers. Michael Anthony Foster, for example. Let's quote a piece of his "masterpiece" Warriors of the Dawn... A person and a descendant of a genetically modified person are talking about the language of these very genetically modified people in the distant future on board a starship:

- The sign is very similar to Chinese characters. Did you get something from them?
- Yes. Something. For example, the Singlespeach language is a model of Chinese, but we certainly did not copy their grammar and phonetics. Each root in Single Speech has three parts, and each combination has four meanings. But at the core of the system, we were based on English, as most people speak it. In addition, we do not like intonation, without which the Chinese language cannot be understood unambiguously. We can say that we used their ideas, but on a different material. It is said that it was even considered Russian language, which at one time was widespread on Earth, but then became a dead language. But the structure of this language, its structure turned out to be too primitive, like the people who spoke it.

Of course, there are opposite examples, but in most cases, the image of the future broadcast by the Americans is simple: there are no non-Americans in it. Simply not, that's all. They are not mentioned. It is not explained where they are. Their absence "in the frame" goes without saying, and no one asks any questions about this.


The world of the future American style

The reasons for this are profound and stem precisely from the ideology of American exceptionalism. Since America's moral duty is to change the world in its own progressive image and likeness, everyone must become the image and likeness of Americans. And since good is America, and evil is non-America, what should be done with evil? Right…

At the moment, the US approach to building the world order (as they see it) is called "futurocide": it is necessary to destroy all options for the future, except for the American option for the future. Why? Because it is America's moral duty to transform everything in its own image and likeness. This means that there can be only one version of the future. For all. And in reality, the United States broke everything that it could reach. Colonial empires, then the USSR. Then came the turn of the smaller countries. Which country in the Arab world was the most technically advanced? Iraq.

And of the republics of the former Yugoslavia, which was the most industrially developed? Serbia.

That is, it got primarily those who went beyond their neighbors along the path of progress. It's not just that.

Who else is there? Iran, which has launched a satellite of its own production into low-earth orbit and produces gas turbines and jet engines, albeit not of its own design.

It takes little for American bombs to start falling on your country or to get sanctioned. It is enough just to take a step towards industrial development and technological progress. Because industrial development and technological progress give chances to build the future by ourselves, without the United States and the US vassals to whom they left the industry. And this is unacceptable.

In contrast to this, let us remember how the "freshly deflected" US countries, for example, Ukraine, end up. De-industrialization and propaganda of the "agrarian superpower". And the Baltics too. Poland is not, but many of the competences in the design of various equipment the Poles have lost. Romania built its own jet planes under the CMEA, but now?

And Russia is giving a vivid example here. Let us recall the nineties: contracts with Iran for the supply and production of everything and everything could become a lifesaver for the domestic industry, especially for the aviation industry, but the unwillingness of Americans to see some industrial powers in the non-Western world and the presence in Russia of a pro-American “fifth column "In the system of power (which is still there, by the way) led to what is known. As a result, we only come to life now, and the outcome is not at all guaranteed. What if we were given a little bit harder? Would we have an aviation industry in general?

Another typical example of how our “opponents” see the world is the computer games of the “Civilization” series. They do not provide for any other ending, except for the victory of the civilization for which the player is playing over others. No other culture could ever give birth to "Civilization".

There are actually many examples, and the exceptions to them are Europe, Japan and South Korea, but now they are too strong players for the United States to be able to push them to complete de-industrialization, firstly, and, secondly, they were previously needed for fight against the Soviet Union. Otherwise, Mitsubishi would hardly have been making jet fighters. At the same time, not a single friendly United States (except France, which was truly independent for a long time) has no closed technological chains in the defense industry: only the United States can create something from scratch and entirely. And this is no coincidence, they offered us such a semi-dismantling of the defense industry in exchange for access to Western military markets.

Today in the old industrial countries, the industry exists as a relic of the Cold War, but the United States has managed to tightly tie these countries to its image of the future: there may be a German crew member on the spacecraft that will be sent to Mars. Or Japanese. But they will be English-speaking, and this ship will be American, and whoever does not understand that there is no other way, let them prepare for sanctions, if not for bombs. And of course, this is just Mars. No non-Americans will fly to the satellites of Jupiter, "they haven’t come out with a snout," although they will take part in this with money.

Synergistic effect and projected outcome


The structural redundancy of Russia, together with the extremely aggressive rejection of "foreign" cultures by the Americans and, more broadly, by the Anglo-Saxons in general, as equal partners, give an interesting synergistic effect.

First, American pressure does not subside no matter what: they can go to confrontation with China, and it would be logical not to quarrel with Russia at the same time; moreover, such proposals appear in America itself regularly. They CANNOT get away from it: it doesn't work. Moreover, it will not work.

And this despite the fact that during the Cold War, this is exactly what they did, however, on the contrary, with the Chinese against us: after the war in Vietnam ended, the United States managed to make China, if not an ally, then at least companion in the fight against the USSR.

And now, when it is necessary to crush China (remember the "futurocide": as soon as the power of China reached a certain level, it automatically became an enemy), it is impossible not to quarrel with the Russians at the same time.

At the same time, Europe, which would seem to be interested in buying cheap energy resources from Russia, also plays against Russia for long periods of time. There are a lot of examples, one can recall the role of Germany in the Ukrainian events. And this is not about the United States, Europe has always been hostile, just in the absence of the American cultural paradigm of rejection, Europe could sometimes cooperate with Russia, albeit temporarily. Today, only trade keeps the Europeans from sliding completely into a level of hostility comparable to the American one. But there is someone to destroy it, an example of which is the story with Navalny in Germany, potentially fraught with new sanctions, and precisely against trade.

In general, if you really have to choose, then, clenching your teeth, the Germans will choose the United States. It is believed that they have already decided to do this: the process of a sharp withdrawal of German money from Russia has already begun. "Streams" are still tying them, but how long will this last? And after the Germans, the rest of Europe will simply "pick up" and repeat. Many Europeans do not want this, the way they rolled the Transatlantic Partnership (TTIP) shows it well. But if they are forced to choose and not given the opportunity to maneuver, then everything is obvious.

On the other hand, if the Americans, obsessed with the idea of ​​their exclusiveness, push too hard on Europe on some issue, then for a short historical period some alliance may arise from Russia and some European countries. But just for a short time. Then everything will return to the basic contradictions discussed above.

In general, the United States is working to strangle the Russian Federation, while Europe hesitates: the need to ensure stability and predictability of its environment and freedom for political and economic expansion dictates complicity in strangling. And trade interests in energy supplies dictate non-strangulation. As a result, we see an amusing throwing of Europe with calm, strong and even hostility from the United States.

The United States clearly wants to remove the structurally redundant unit from the planet, and we know that their policy of strangling Russia did not end with the collapse of the USSR and our de facto surrender to them. This, by the way, shows well that it is impossible to surrender: we will be liquidated anyway.

Their culture also dictates an aggressive line to them, they cannot deviate from it. The fact that now in the United States, nevertheless, voices have begun to be heard with proposals to besiege in terms of pressure on us, we should not be deceived, America is simply looking for cannon fodder for a war with China, and no more, and, as already mentioned, will not be able to besiege.

Smaller players like Japan don't mind our cutting out of reality absolutely. But for China it is like a bone in the throat: it will remain with all the power of the West one on one in this case. While China will be in our trench. What happens if the US offers him to change camp is an open question. Most likely, nothing, the Chinese cannot but understand who will be next after us. But we must understand that China will not fight for us. Help - yes. Pulling out from under the fire - no. All by yourself.

One way or another, and all those factors that prevent us from living in peace are aggravated. Russia's audacious antics in Ukraine and Syria have made it clear to the West that if the "reptile" is not crushed, then it can grow and get stronger. The West is slowly consolidating, and the disputes over the Nord Streams and the new sanctions that are flaring up there are simply shaking down the conditions for consolidation. For Europe, the issue of gas is acute: a complete transition to liquefied gas will ruin them. They must first solve this problem in any way, and then go to break off the fifth wheel together with the United States. But the trend is obvious.

Therefore, our neighbors in the CIS are spinning like a top, trying to make both yours and ours. In the long term, they have already written us off, no one believes that we will survive this round. It seems to us here that we are so cool with our Su-35 and T-90, but outside of our great Motherland everything looks different from the word “absolutely”. There they see not a very large, but just a daring guy, whom the owners of the planet have already sentenced to death. Just a little bit left. And it is better not to stand next to him at this moment.

Initial position


So, in order.

1. Russia is a structurally redundant element of world civilization, the very fact of its existence with the simultaneous existence of other really existing centers of power generates processes on the planet that reject it, contributing to the removal of the Russian Federation from the world community in any way, from blockade to destruction. It is important to understand that we are not necessarily talking about war, conventional or nuclear. It is worth remembering that not a single nuclear bomb fell on the USSR, but it, nevertheless, did not. The defeat will most likely look like this.

2. The beneficiaries of the existing order are either unable to ignore these processes (part of Europe, and the CIS will be a little later) or are interested in them (part of Europe and the USA). There is only one exception - China, but so far this is not enough to stop negative processes. Moreover, there is no guarantee that China's position will remain this way forever.

3. Interested in the elimination of Russia, the beneficiary of the established world order and at the same time the world hegemon (the United States) from a cultural point of view is not in a position to give up attempts to crush or even destroy the Russian Federation. These attempts will never stop.

4. All of the above factors are irreparable with the current world order nature.

5. The balance of forces between the Russian Federation and those countries that are likely to participate in its elimination is such that it excludes the possibility of containing enemy pressure in the long term. And this is also unavoidable.

6. There is no way to avoid all this. And if the Russian Federation resists to the end, and in case of surrender, the result will be the same.

This is what the situation looks like now. The Americans are stepping up what they see as pressure on us. Demonstration of force by bombers, sanctions, threats, provocations against our warships on the high seas, "black operations" such as the downed Boeing over Ukraine - all this is the initial stage of the promotion of processes, in the end of which the Russian Federation should follow into oblivion for the USSR. However, the Americans are actively improving the means for a nuclear attack, and, as has been said more than once, the risk of a sudden nuclear strike on us from their side is slowly growing.

In theory, these processes can be variable in nature. There is no special anti-Russian conspiracy, but there is an objective reality that requires Russia to be “removed from the platform”, maybe a little later, or a little earlier, and also a culture that excludes both reconciliation and mutual understanding. But there is also China, which also draws back forces.

Therefore, in their "crusade" breaks are possible, but at the same time it will never stop. And (the last important conclusion) if in the short and medium term the complete elimination of Russia by the hegemon is unlikely, then in the long term it is inevitable. They have hundreds of years, one attempt, but it will succeed. The accumulated probability that with our current policy they will succeed is approaching unity, alas.

This makes it immutable that with the current paradigm of our behavior in the world, we are doomed, as it was announced at the beginning of the material.

Is there a way out? There is. True, for this we will have to literally break our mentality, take for granted the new system of values ​​and learn to act according to plans, the duration of which exceeds the duration of a person's active life. We have to change. And, as in the case of realizing the root of Russian problems in the world, we will have to understand something that we do not understand.

To be continued ...
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 September 2020 15: 06 New
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    Is there a way out? There is. True, for this we will have to literally break our mentality, take for granted the new system of values

    And what's wrong with the old? Here it is not necessary to break values, because at all times they were known for NORMAL people, but the world model, including that handful of rich people who, in fact, rule the world. Capitalism for a normal society is a road to hell.
    Who has imposed on us such rules in the world under which there are rich and poor? And I'm not talking about the postulates of socialism now. I mean that in capitalist society there will always be oppressed and oppressed people. There will always be unspoken hostility and class hatred. Well, democracy, especially in the performance of the United States with LGBT people, ghettos, wars around the world ... this is the biggest LIE for ordinary people.
    1. Vend
      Vend 7 September 2020 15: 11 New
      +8
      When was it different? It is enough to remember history and everything falls into place at once. They always coveted the riches of Russia, eager to take away the land, enslave, and even wipe it off the face of the earth.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 7 September 2020 15: 18 New
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        Russia has never been a threat to the West, the West is incomparably stronger

        But the West was constantly receiving luley from "weak" Russia! Brain gap?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 September 2020 15: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Russia has never been a threat to the West, the West is incomparably stronger

          But the West was constantly receiving luley from "weak" Russia! Brain gap?

          Why the West is already incommensurably stronger. Ale, Author! Or are we not at all friendly with history? In 41, all of Europe worked and fought against the USSR ... which one to the devil is "incommensurably stronger"?
          Admins IN, where are you looking, what are you publishing such nonsense of the blue mare ?!
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 7 September 2020 15: 26 New
            17
            At least, no one sucks "juices" from the West and does not draw these "streams" to Russia.
            1. Antagonist
              Antagonist 7 September 2020 16: 18 New
              +5
              Quote: lexus
              At least from the West nobody sucks "juices"

              We can stop the supply of natural resources to the west, for example.
              "Clothes" are being pulled to Russia for electrical equipment of a car. Their cars will be better than ours. We can stop buying foreign cars and spare parts for them. We can stop trading with the West altogether. We can isolate the country from abroad. Who will benefit from this?
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              2. Alekseev
                Alekseev 7 September 2020 17: 41 New
                +5
                Quote: Antagonist
                stop trading with the west

                Just don't go to extremes.
                With dissatisfied that he is not recognized as a master, the West needs to do what, in wink in general, they do it now, only more clearly and harder. Those. to keep it, as they used to say in the old days, "under a cruel guard," which means that nuclear deterrence should not allow any bad Western head to think of a military attack on the Russian Federation.
                The economy is purely pragmatic. To buy (extract) in the EU and the US only technologies, means of production, to let them sell food and consumer goods only on condition of refusal of any sanctions, mansions. For example Germany twitched? Does he want to receive gas, but does not want to go against the Americans on this issue? This will automatically be a decrease in German exports to Russia and an increase in domestic import-substituting production.
                By the way, the production of cars in Russia by the world's largest manufacturers is an example of a step in the right direction.
                And by no means get involved in the conventional arms race. Has Poland and the Baltic dwarfs become overgrown? Mine the border with neutron bombs. And the guarantee that they will not rock the boat, and, relatively inexpensively, and the people of these countries have something to talk about with their rulers.
                1. blackice
                  blackice 9 September 2020 02: 57 New
                  +1
                  Everything that you have written in Russia is possible only on one condition - a high standard of living of citizens. Ordinary citizens, and not a certain stratum living within the Moscow region and Moscow itself.
                  Who needs goods produced in Russia if they cannot be bought as a result of low wages?
                  Self-isolation of the country is possible only if the USSR returns to the Stalin era, when everything was developed, from the collective farm to space.
          2. timokhin-aa
            7 September 2020 15: 53 New
            +9
            Ale, Author! Or are we not at all friendly with history? In 41st, all of Europe worked and fought against the USSR


            And for the USSR - the whole British Empire, the British Commonwealth and the United States. So, as a reminder.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 7 September 2020 15: 58 New
              +5
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              And for the USSR - the whole British Empire, the British Commonwealth and the United States. So, as a reminder.

              So, for REMINDER, fuel and lubricants were supplied by the USA in both directions. By the way, FASCISM is not an invention of Hitler, but of the British. Is there anything to object? I can clearly prove it to you. Or are you talking about the fact that the Anlo-Saxons support Hitler not in a dream?
              And about the operation INCONCIBLE, too, have not heard?
              1. timokhin-aa
                7 September 2020 16: 07 New
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                So, for REMINDER, fuel and lubricants were supplied by the USA in both directions.


                Only the volumes are incomparable.

                By the way, FASCISM is not an invention of Hitler, but of the British. Is there anything to object?


                You shock me with your clarity - the article is exactly about the fact that fascism is an invention of the British. Do you generally read what you comment on or do you skate a review on the first paragraph?

                And about the operation INCONCIBLE, too, have not heard?


                I read the opera plans in the original. But what does all this have to do with it? The unthinkable and British fascism is proof of MY point of view, and if you do not understand this, then read the text again.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 12 New
                  -3
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  Only the volumes are incomparable.

                  Seriously, not comparable?
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  You shock me with your clarity - the article is exactly about the fact that fascism is an invention of the British.

                  Your article, excuse me, is a hodgepodge of outright delirium, horse flights in a vacuum and some claim to the title of another Vanga.
                  At the same time, I did not fully understand, but what did the old moral values ​​do to you, that you are chopping them off like this?
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  if you do not understand this, then re-read the text again.

                  Not ... for the second time this work of yours, I will not master the unclouded stream of consciousness ... I'm afraid my eyes will start twitching.
                  1. timokhin-aa
                    7 September 2020 16: 30 New
                    +3
                    The eye twitches when the load on the nervous system exceeds the limit.
                    But you are not able to perceive the stress on the nervous system due to the fact that you have a very simple one.
                    Therefore, nothing will twitch at you.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 33 New
                      0
                      Quote: timokhin-aa
                      Therefore, nothing will twitch at you.

                      Phew ... thanks, kind person, for calming me down. Here is a straight bow to the ground, with a savory blow of the forehead on the floor. fellow
                    2. kalibr
                      kalibr 7 September 2020 16: 57 New
                      +6
                      Dear Alexander! Your certainly interesting article has one very big problem. It has 44 thousand characters, so it is completely unreadable. There are certain rules for online journalism and should not be broken. The normal size of an article perceived by almost everyone is 8000 characters. This is the standard! It is clear that it is not always maintained. But it is proved that 14 thousand is the limit, and the limit with captions under the photo, which "break" the flow of visual information. Let me remind you, you have 44000. Hence the negative reaction of many. Even breaking the article into two materials, you would have 22000 each, which is also above the norm. We all learn something all our lives and it will be good if you listen to my advice dictated by the most sincere respect for you.
                      1. timokhin-aa
                        7 September 2020 17: 03 New
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                        I am aware, but the fact is that an object of 8000 characters cannot be revealed. The topic is too complex.

                        I considered it possible to make a large text, not everyone can do it, but on the other hand, this is a cutoff in terms of intelligence - you can immediately see who can and who cannot.

                        An affordable segregation tool, so to speak. It's even interesting to look at people for whom a simple text written in easy language of 44000 characters is unbearable.

                        It even amuses me.
                      2. antivirus
                        antivirus 7 September 2020 18: 24 New
                        +2
                        every Russian is the sweetest person as long as he wears his shirt outside. As an Asian he is adorable

                        where to write me? -I'm going to the dacha, I put on a checkered shirt "Rangler" (left), cowboy,! outside !!!!!


                        and jeans patched, pockets, from old jeans
                      3. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 September 2020 19: 25 New
                        +2
                        Quote: timokhin-aa
                        It's even interesting to look at people for whom a simple text written in easy language of 44000 characters is unbearable.
                        It even amuses me.

                        It may be so, but your approach is wrong. We work for ... and it's their interest and clicks that matter. If you think that you will enlighten someone here in something ... this is a mistake. This is a site for intellectual leisure, nothing more. And the point is not in the simplicity of the text, but in its volume. And then - the topic is complex ... The more interesting is the task for an intellectually developed person to state it briefly and convincingly.
                      4. depressant
                        depressant 8 September 2020 15: 04 New
                        +6
                        Dear Author, having a habit of reading, I was not tired, reading your long article, I took all its meanings. It turned out that their set is good, but not large, and each of them is reasoned excessively, with different versions of the same. Hence the size of the article.
                        The impression is that you are persuading the crowd of liberals, which are not here. Visitors to VO know everything that you said. You can subscribe to everything. Actually, there is nothing to argue about.
                        In the sequel I am waiting for an answer to the age-old Russian questions: who is to blame for this and what should we all do with this. And then the entropy is growing, homeostatic equilibrium is out of control, right? ))))
                      5. region58
                        region58 9 September 2020 02: 44 New
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                        Quote: depressant
                        Actually, there is nothing to argue about.

                        I wouldn't say that. Just a lot of food for thought. Starting from
                        At the end of the story, English-speaking people with English first and last names will fly to the stars.
                        and ending
                        They have hundreds of years
                        .
                        In short, in the absence of an equal rival, progress is usually replaced by degradation, and there is no longer anything to fly to the stars, and there is nothing for it, this time. And with the current model of "consumption economy" there is not much time, that's two. There are three, and four, and beyond ... So yeah,
                        Quote: timokhin-aa
                        The topic is too complex.
                        .
                        PS I’ll be annoying about the map: Crimea, the Black Sea coast, Sakhalin again ...
                      6. kalibr
                        kalibr 9 September 2020 06: 46 New
                        +3
                        Quote: depressant
                        In the sequel I am waiting for an answer to the age-old Russian questions: who is to blame for this and what should we all do with this. And then the entropy is growing, homeostatic equilibrium is out of control, right?

                        You understood everything perfectly and asked the right questions. Let's see what the answers are ...
                  2. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 9 September 2020 03: 50 New
                    +3
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Let me remind you, you have 44000. Hence the negative reaction of many. Even breaking the article into two materials, you would have 22000 each, which is also above the norm. We all learn something all our lives and it will be good if you listen to my advice dictated by the most sincere respect for you.

                    Simply put:
                    BREVITY IS THE SOUL OF WIT! yes
                2. sniperino
                  sniperino 8 September 2020 09: 07 New
                  +3
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  due to the fact that you have it very simple
                  The style of communication with opponents organically complements the semantics of the article.
          3. parusnik
            parusnik 7 September 2020 17: 43 New
            +5
            By the way, FASCISM is not an invention of Hitler, but of the British.
            ... No ... this is an invention of the capitalist system ...
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            2. sniperino
              sniperino 8 September 2020 09: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: parusnik
              By the way, FASCISM is not an invention of Hitler, but of the British.
              ... No ... this is an invention of the capitalist system ...
              The writers of Ancient Rome, being an executive body, assumed the function of the judiciary and could be executed without trial or investigation; the slaves of the Romans were "racially inferior", and the emperor was the embodiment of a deity. What else did the British and capitalists come up with?
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 8 September 2020 10: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: sniperino
                "racially inferior"
                The term, of course, was not yet there, but this is due to the fact that the consciousness of the clan society was still very strong. The Indo-Europeans who came to India in the 3rd millennium BC. e. there was also no special terminology to denote racial superiority, but the local population was singled out into the lower caste of "untouchables" precisely because of their "natural" racism. The formula “I am a Roman citizen”, which forbade such a citizen to be tried in the provinces and demanded that he be brought to the court of Rome, is from the same opera: “inferior” peoples cannot judge a Roman. The idea of ​​blood could not disappear without a trace in a society where there was a custom to drink the blood of strong and courageous gladiators in order to enhance these qualities in oneself. It was reflected much later, but earlier than capitalism; the concept of "blood purity" was approved by the Pope in 1496.
            3. DrEng527
              DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 07 New
              0
              Quote: parusnik
              it is an invention of the capitalist system ...

              answer to socialism ... request
            4. Baba Sasha
              Baba Sasha 9 September 2020 10: 20 New
              -2
              And he took root and lives with us now.
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: Baba Sasha
                And he took root and lives with us now.

                You are from Ukraine?
        2. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 14 September 2020 00: 01 New
          +1
          when in an article (very entertaining, Alexander !!!), I came across a phrase -
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          ... while the complete elimination of Russia by the hegemon is unlikely in the short and medium term, in the long term it is inevitable. They have hundreds of years, one try, yes it will be possible ...
          .... for some reason I remembered the Slavic chronology - Year 2020 - continuation of summer 7528... After celebrating the date of the New Year 2020 - in Russia, in Russia the summer will last 7528 from SMZH (from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple). So, we voluntarily write a double date of the year / summer like this: 2020/7528......
          And in my soul, despite the pessimistic tone of the article uv. Alexandra Timokhina (and the article was very interesting to me !! thanks to him), suddenly something sank pleasantly (!)... They have hundreds of years experience, and we have thousands of years of history (!!!) ...
      2. vladimmiroff
        vladimmiroff 7 September 2020 16: 04 New
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        Compare the population of the European Union and the United States there under 1 billion, in Russia 140 million, we only have a few resources of technology, fragments of the USSR. They have technologies and cooperation, and their population is 10 times larger, they have complete superiority in conventional weapons (quantitatively, anyway). Stops only nuclear response. But on a sly sly they go to their goal, in 80-90 they managed to buy the elite, then the bobble came out. I think they will continue to open the gates of Russia with gold. So they got used to it. Why fight when you can buy, Ukraine is an example. It is safe to say that something similar is being prepared for Russia at first, and then Russia will be written off altogether.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 08 New
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          Quote: vladimmiroff
          Compare the population of the European Union and the United States there under 1 billion and Russia 140 million

          Compare the population of the Russian Federation and China ...
          At the same time, in the event of a war, everyone, from young people to children, will go under arms. And what about the West in this matter?
          Quote: vladimmiroff
          they have technology, cooperation

          They have not cooperation, but essentially a monopoly of American weapons, and the trend of ousting European competitors from the domestic weapons market is only gaining momentum.
          Quote: vladimmiroff
          I think the gates of Russia will continue to be opened with gold.

          Why can't this work in the opposite direction?
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 9 September 2020 04: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: vladimmiroff
          Compare the population of the European Union and the United States there under 1 billion

          Quote: NEXUS
          Compare the population of the Russian Federation and China ...

          Let's compare the available opportunities separately and the potential ones separately.
          There is a lot of population and resources in Europe, but the coherence of Europe in the 40s of the last century, moral preparedness for trials was lower. Therefore, fascist Germany and the satellites could not bring the inviolable Union to its knees.
          For Russia, there is no future formation of today ... UNDERSTAND, no matter how bitter it may sound, but you cannot become nice by plundering, robbing and appropriating the fruits of social labor. It is even more difficult to maintain authority by usurping power, the constitution, crushing the legal system and laws. It is impossible to build a building on a crappy foundation, it will not work to rule on hypocrisy and lies, protecting the interests of a small part of the exploiters.
          “It is possible to deceive a part of the people all the time, and the whole people - for a while, but you cannot deceive the whole people all the time”
          © A. Lincoln

          Most importantly, it’s time to call things by their proper names: “thieves' rabble”, “bribe-takers and money-grubbers”, “idle staggers and parasites”, “corrupt clowns and close lackeys” will never become the elite. They may at some stage in history "hold back the power" (from this and those in power), but to rule forever with the help of promises, promises and forgery will not work.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 9 September 2020 10: 35 New
            +2
            It turns out and will turn out. VOSR and developed socialism are a unique phenomenon in the history of extreme civilization. Centuries, millennia, Karl, slavery is a confirmation of this. The strength to knock this non-human in the foreseeable space and time is not observed. As well as the conditions, the catalyst for the process. Conclusions from that mistake made by the backbones are correct, more flexible than steel, more sophisticated.
            Two key moments in history - the creation of nuclear weapons by the Anglo-Saxons in the 40s and the hesitation to start them, in the 60s and 70s, at the peak of the power of the USSR, turned the course of events not in our favor. Geyropa did not become ours, the Naglo-Saxons kept the bridgehead, continued to spoil and corrupt, with the complete connivance of the Kremlin elders who had forgotten about the class struggle.
      3. lucul
        lucul 7 September 2020 22: 36 New
        +1
        Why the West is already incommensurably stronger. Ale, Author! Or are we not at all friendly with history? In 41, all of Europe worked and fought against the USSR ... which one to the devil is "incommensurably stronger"?
        Admins IN, where are you looking, what are you publishing such nonsense of the blue mare ?!

        Yes, the usual Zionist propaganda and manipulation)))
        Well, for example :
        which in physics says: "... if a system that is in stable equilibrium is influenced from the outside, changing any of the equilibrium conditions (temperature, pressure, concentration, external electromagnetic field), then the processes in the system are intensified, directed towards counteracting changes." ...
        And for societies, that is, social systems, this is also the case, for example, an attempt by the state authorities to prohibit the Telegram messenger has led to the fact that the processes of opposition in society have sharply intensified, for example, people began to share with each other methods of bypassing blocking, etc.

        See? ))) That is, if a color revolution is attempted in a country, then according to this "theory" it is an outside influence and the system (country) must successfully resist itself ..... but this is not the case)))) There are many examples of this color revolutions around the world.
        The author has poured so much water to take over control (to serve as authority) and hammer into our head the simple idea that
        Our country and its population is that fifth wheel in the world cart, because of which the cart cannot go smoothly and evenly where its owners want.

        He repeats it many times under different sauce)))) To put it deeper into the subcortex.
        And now, I will explain why it is dangerous, for example, this video from the movie Inception

        We've already been given the idea

        self-destruct (the collapse of the USSR), it seems they took up again ...
        1. timokhin-aa
          8 September 2020 09: 02 New
          +4
          then according to this "theory" - this is an impact from the outside and the system (country) must successfully resist itself ..... but this is not the case)))) Examples of this - the many color revolutions around the world.


          Donbass? Venezuela? As the Americans say - check your facts, please.
          1. bayard
            bayard 8 September 2020 17: 15 New
            +3
            Active opposition?
            Preemptive strike?
            Something happened in Syria ...
            But ... the economy ... finances that are not controlled by us (Russia), are not imitated, and which will always be in short supply ...
            Stalin had no such problems.
            And he knew the THEORY.
            THE THEORY OF ABSOLUTE MONEY!
            And according to this theory, he built the financial system of the USSR.
            Brilliant system.
            In 2005, there was an attempt to build a similar system, breaking, of course, the existing system of the Central Bank from the Fed and the City of London ...
            It didn't work out.
            Even earlier, there was an attempt by General Lebed (most of them did not even notice, but it was because of her that Lebed lost his post as Secretary of the Security Council ... after he announced that “we will close all commercial banks and start EMISSION HEATING OF THE ECONOMY.” And immediately followed instant response.
      4. bayard
        bayard 8 September 2020 16: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: NEXUS
        Ale, Author! Or are we not at all friendly with history? In 41, all of Europe worked and fought against the USSR ... which one to the devil is "incommensurably stronger"?

        Andrey, what if you think about it?
        Were we alone at war against Hitler and was ALL of Europe at war against us?
        Look at the indicators of the military industry during the war, the one that worked for Germany, and the military-industrial complex of the USSR of the same period. Yes, we crushed them purely economically, military-technically - with a large number of weapons and ammunition. And if you also count the Lend-Lease?
        And you need to be very well aware that we were not at war with the entire West.
        Not at all.
        On our side (by historical collision) there were such monsters of the economy, the military-industrial complex and military power as the United States and the British Empire (ALL!) ... And also China.
        And if you look at who reaped the main fruits of the Victory, then this someone will not be the Soviet Union at all, but quite the United States of America.
        Germany was not at all our MAIN historical rival and enemy, rather it was a former ally in the Holy Alliance ... And two former allies, two very close in culture and mentality, white people fought in a mortal battle for the joy of a common enemy ...
        This is a tragedy.
        Historical tragedy.
        Germany then lost its historical perspective forever and lost a large and better part of its gene pool.
        And we lost a lot ...
        A LOT of the best.
        Millions.
        And the Anglo-Saxons did not lose anything ... from the gene pool. True, over time, they lost the Empire, but here it is most likely somewhat different - they CHANGED it, renaming it the British Commonwealth.
        And the USA got EVERYTHING!

        And to say that we are now so strong against all of them ... is not serious.
        The key to our existence is our strategic nuclear forces.
        As long as we have the opportunity to destroy them all, they will not openly rush at us.
        But they did not rush to the USSR either.
        They acted differently from within - through agents, raising a new generation of traitors.
        Raised, traitors betrayed and the Anglo-Saxons got everything they wanted.
        Do you think modern Russia is stronger and more secure in this than the USSR?
        By no means, and here I completely agree with the author.

        But you apparently read the very beginning of the article very inattentively ...
        And its very end.
        ... What can be the way out of this?
        As stated in the first lines: "If a fight is inevitable, you need to hit first."
        "Hit Fredy FIRST" wink Fortunately, we have something.
        But for this we need WILL.
        And AWARENESS of the order of things.
        A liar and a hypocrite only as long as he has an advantage over a decent person, until he is exposed.
        In fact, we have ALL the necessary technical means to resolve this issue.
        But at the head of the state, this requires a man with steel Fabergés, a cold mind and, of course, with a hot Russian heart.

        So let's drink TO KIND !!! drinks
        OUR kindness. bully
      5. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 8 September 2020 17: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Russia has never been a threat to the West, the West is incomparably stronger

        But the West was constantly receiving luley from "weak" Russia! Brain gap?

        Why the West is already incommensurably stronger. Ale, Author! Or are we not at all friendly with history? In 41, all of Europe worked and fought against the USSR ... which one to the devil is "incommensurably stronger"?
        Admins IN, where are you looking, what are you publishing such nonsense of the blue mare ?!

        And what messages on in are pre-moderated?
        Dear, if you remove all the bullshit, then it's easier to immediately remove the VO along with all the experts
      6. Baba Sasha
        Baba Sasha 9 September 2020 10: 17 New
        -3
        Not . As long as you are, the West loses.
      7. nickname7
        nickname7 10 September 2020 12: 00 New
        0
        NEXUS Why the West is already incommensurably stronger. Ale, Author!

        In terms of total resources, the West is many times greater than the Russian Federation. They have a larger population, more raw materials that they directly develop (in the Russian Federation, raw materials are in the depths) They have much more factories, factories, money, they produce most of the world GDP. And also the West is leading in technology.
    2. Vend
      Vend 7 September 2020 15: 58 New
      -5
      Quote: SRC P-15
      Russia has never been a threat to the West, the West is incomparably stronger

      But the West was constantly receiving luley from "weak" Russia! Brain gap?

      So they are trying to forget in the West as soon as possible, so they step on a rake.
      1. timokhin-aa
        7 September 2020 16: 08 New
        12
        The united West from Russia, taken separately, has never received Lula.

        I will note that now it is precisely united. For the first time in history.
        1. Vend
          Vend 7 September 2020 16: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          The united West from Russia, taken separately, has never received Lula.

          I will note that now it is precisely united. For the first time in history.

          Where is it united? laughing
          1. timokhin-aa
            7 September 2020 16: 31 New
            +7
            In any. For now, at least.
            1. Vend
              Vend 8 September 2020 16: 30 New
              -2
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              In any. For now, at least.

              Apparently in the back seat laughing
            2. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 8 September 2020 17: 51 New
              -5
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              In any. For now, at least.

              He is united by the bearded men to drive through the deserts, but if it happens now to fight with the Russian Federation because of Georgia, for example, do you see how the French, Germans, Spaniards go to mobilize?
              1. timokhin-aa
                9 September 2020 12: 36 New
                +4
                You are taking an extreme example. They spoil and weaken us all over the place. Amicably.
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        3. Rakovor
          Rakovor 8 September 2020 09: 17 New
          +1
          Well, in fairness, it happened once. This is the Crimean War. Then we fought against England and France (almost half of the world), Turkey (not quite, however, the West) and, in fact, Italy with the hostile neutrality of Austria and Germany. And they suffered a crushing defeat.
          1. timokhin-aa
            9 September 2020 12: 36 New
            0
            The United States was more for us than against. And now?
        4. DrEng527
          DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          The united West from Russia, taken separately, has never received Lula.

          It depends on what is meant by the West? Napoleon's army is one thing, Hitler's army is another, and in the Crimean War it is quite another. It was the USSR that made it possible to form a united West in the form of NATO! Before that, Russia was completely playing on contradictions and did not allow them to unite! And now there are diplomatic battles in this direction - and Trump's election made it possible - the West is not as united as before!
          Let me note that you forget that there are several centers of power on the planet - China, EU, USA, Russia and others. There are contradictions between these centers of power, including the EU-US! England is out!
          So we must not become discouraged and build apocalyptic pictures, but work!
          The plan is simple and it is being implemented:
          1) Undermine the unity of the West! The ideal would be to destroy Great Britain by secession of Scotland! Let France intrigue against the USA! Let Turkey leave NATO at the expense of the conflict with Germany.
          2) Let the boom in the USA intensify!
          3) Let the clash along the US-China line intensify, while the latter builds a fleet.
          4) There is a strengthening of India, as a counterbalance to both China and the United States!
          there are other points! You just need to work better, and our services play law-abiding girls in Belarus, Ukraine and the CIS in general!
          Russia has gone through a lot - now not 1612 or 1917, we have nuclear weapons and we sell bread / meat ... hi
          But you are right about one thing. only this was not formulated - it is necessary to mobilize the people and the elite into a single system! Another thing is that all the elites cannot get drunk, although they eat in three throats! See after 2014 - billionaires made a lot of money (Belousov offered 60 yards to take away from the richest 30 companies that were cut down by the fall of the ruble), and the people are poor! GDP staged insane pension reform and raised VAT on budget surplus! request
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 7 September 2020 19: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: SRC P-15
      But the West was constantly receiving luley from "weak" Russia! Brain gap?

      besides, Russia is full of people devoted to the West, who consider themselves part of Western civilization, especially in power. There is not a word about them in the article, but this is an element of "soft power" !! although the article is good
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 September 2020 15: 31 New
    -1
    Russia is a structurally redundant element of world civilization
    angry To break off the lascivious hands for such words. foolIt is thanks to us that Mir did not turn into an American concentration camp in the XNUMXth century, and even earlier into an English one.
    The accumulated probability that with our current policy they will succeed is approaching one, alas
    "Oh, Volka, you are a great bald." (Khattabych)
    And who said that our policy will not change. New Stalin and politics will come ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 September 2020 15: 34 New
      -5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Russia is a structurally redundant element of world civilization
      angry To break off the lascivious hands for such words. foolIt is thanks to us that the world did not turn into an American concentration camp in the twentieth century.

      Yes, here it is not to break hands, but to send to the first grade to school, since the author apparently graduated with a certificate, and not a certificate.
      1. timokhin-aa
        7 September 2020 16: 28 New
        +6
        Here it is necessary to send you to the experiments.
        We read the text, retell it, if the discrepancies between the meaning of the written and retold diverge by more than 50%, the subject receives an electric shock.
        And he tries again.
        Before activation of the frontal lobes of the brain.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          We read the texts,

          Alexander, why are you getting into philosophy when you are like a cow on ice, and lame in it? Well, they would continue to write about ships and missiles, no one would say a word. The courses on the theme of the fleet, for example, are quite deep and interesting. But here, excuse you, Ostap suffered. And in the unknown jungle of completely murky reasoning.
          Well, it's not yours.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 7 September 2020 19: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            And in the unknown jungle of completely murky reasoning.

            wrote normally, will grow over time, remember about soft power, for example, another factor.
          2. Rakovor
            Rakovor 8 September 2020 08: 41 New
            +2
            In my opinion, this is you talking about some kind of nonsense.
          3. timokhin-aa
            8 September 2020 09: 00 New
            +2
            Try again.
          4. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 8 September 2020 15: 31 New
            +5
            NEXUS (Andrei), do not insult a respected person.
            As for the structurally redundant element, the author of the article does not ascribe this statement to himself, but, on the contrary, believes that this is how Russia's enemies think about Russia.
    2. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 01 New
      13
      To break off the lascivious hands for such words. fool Thanks to us, the world did not turn into an American concentration camp in the XNUMXth century, and even earlier into an English one.


      And this is precisely what "redundancy" is. The American concentration camp is an energetically and structurally simpler phenomenon, so we will be hammered until it is someone else's concentration camp that is established on the planet - to the simplification of the system.

      You just didn't read it
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 8 September 2020 04: 40 New
        -6
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The American concentration camp is an energetically and structurally simpler phenomenon, so we will be hammered until it is someone's concentration camp that is established on the planet - to the simplification of the system.
        We resisted and we will!
        You just didn't read it
        And he did not read, deep thoughts. fool request A couple of paragraphs were enough, I wanted clean air. repeatAnd the emotions of a living person overwhelm.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 8 September 2020 15: 35 New
          +2
          Mavrikiy, yes, emotions are overwhelming because it is obvious that the American elite has clearly gone mad in their rabid hatred of Russia. And this American elite is leading America and Europe to attack Russia. So far, the establishment does not dare to attack Russia, because it fears its nuclear weapons. From the nuclear weapons of Russia, the American elite mangles like devils mangles holy water. Therefore, the US is trying to weaken the Russian economy first so that Russia cannot maintain its nuclear potential. And then the US will attack.
          The United States and Europe have no objective reasons for attacking Russia. But the Western, especially the American elite is driven not by objective, but by subjective reasons. It was the same with Napoleon and Hitler.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 8 September 2020 17: 05 New
            -3
            Alexander1971 (Alexander)
            You see, the American elite is not only not monolithic (rep. And demos), it has even lost its homogeneity within the parties. Some Republicans are against Trump, and some Democrats support him.
            Trump does not want war with us, his number one goal is to put China in a stall. If he fights with us, then China will jerk even further in its development. request To play China against us is the Great American Dream.
            The second part of the elite: TNCs, bankers, want to develop China further, then throw the US like a watermelon crust and escape to China. For them, China is a friend, but they want to fight with us in order to zero, write off all their debts. And this will be another reason to leave the destroyed USA after the war.
            But the Western, especially the American elite is driven not by objective, but by subjective reasons. It was the same with Napoleon and Hitler.
            Eco's enough. Napoleon hated Alexander, and he hated him, as a result of the war. Funny, but not serious (Ogurtsov hi) Hitler, unleashed a war? belay Yes, this corporal was bought together with Germany, the sharks of Wall Street and the City of London. hi
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 8 September 2020 17: 11 New
              0
              In questions of a pretext for starting a war, it is not objective, but subjective reasons that prevail. Objective reasons are a breeding ground for war.
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 8 September 2020 17: 17 New
                -2
                Quote: Aleksandr1971
                In questions reason for the outbreak of war, not objective, but subjective reasons prevail. Objective reasons are a breeding ground for war.

                Cool. Only more precisely, in the choice of Belli's case, subjectiveness manifests itself. Objective reasons are the guarantee and inevitability of war. hi
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 9 September 2020 11: 01 New
                  +2
                  Dear comrades, it should be borne in mind that the establishment, which is called by an unpronounceable word, is only a six of a small handful of real owners of this system and the printing press of cut paper. The owners cannot make decisions to attack a country capable of burying them in their habitats. And this is not only about Russia. The Anglo-Saxons releasing the genie of nuclear weapons on their own and harmed in the establishment of "world order". In their striving for this, with the distinguished author, I absolutely agree. National consciousness and a finger on a button will not allow the world to be sharpened under the Masonic model. A terrible model of extreme earthly civilization.
        2. timokhin-aa
          9 September 2020 12: 39 New
          +5
          And he did not read, deep thoughts. fool request A couple of paragraphs were enough, I wanted clean air. feel Yes, and the emotions of a living person overwhelm.


          That is precisely why the USSR collapsed, not the United States. And this is what gives the Americans a reason to think that they will win again in the new round.
          And why not win if the opponent is so emotionally unstable that he cannot even assess the situation and goes into hysterics?

          And not in this, by the way, are right.
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        until it is someone's concentration camp that is established on the planet - to the simplification of the system.

        simplicity of thievery - simple systems are not viable request For 30 years without the USSR, they have rotted inside ideologically and economically ... repeat
        1. timokhin-aa
          9 September 2020 12: 39 New
          0
          But this will not prevent them from striving for this position.
      3. blackice
        blackice 9 September 2020 03: 23 New
        -3
        Well if:
        You just didn't read it
        , then probably the article should be attributed to scientific works in the field of philosophy of international relations?
        Since you think that not everyone on this site is able to master your work, then firstly exhibit it here and secondly poke it in others?
        Personally, I agree with others that there is so much "water" in the article that it was just with it that it was possible to fill the foundation pit dug by famous personalities under the Black Sea.
        1. timokhin-aa
          9 September 2020 12: 40 New
          +3
          Whoever can, let him do better, that's all.
          1. blackice
            blackice 10 September 2020 03: 18 New
            -1
            Once again, since you consider yourself smart enough: why poke those who “did not master” your article with accusations of stupidity? I already wrote to you.
            You should check your level of "stardom" not with such expressions and not here.
            They give you their assessments, but those who criticize immediately become with a low level of intelligence in your eyes.
            That is, "stardom" on the face.
  3. timokhin-aa
    7 September 2020 16: 02 New
    +7
    No, the only question here is that the United States and the West want to remove the stick from the wheel. From his own. There are plenty of resources and slaves in the world without us.
  4. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 8 September 2020 15: 28 New
    +3
    I disagree with you, Wend (Anatoly).
    Other peoples did not so much covet the riches of Russia (especially at a time when there was no riches in Russia) as Russia prevented other peoples from seizing other people's riches.
    In other words, if some predator, like France, England, Turkey or Germany, wanted to seize Europe or part of Europe (for example, the Balkans), then Russia often sided with the weak and did not allow the strong to eat the weak.
    For this there is a historical grudge against Russia among the predatory peoples.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 7 September 2020 15: 19 New
    25
    There are enough cases described in Nature when it is the internal parasites that push the temporary "carrier" into the "embrace" of a predator chosen by them for further living. I suppose there is no need to remind how these searches usually end. Too many coincidences.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 September 2020 15: 24 New
    -9
    And, as in the case of realizing the root of Russian problems in the world, we will have to understand something that we do not understand.
    Russia has no problem. This is the slate rustling in the USA. fool And we just have to live with a violent under the same roof. request
    Therefore, in their "crusade" breaks are possible, but at the same time it will never stop.
    Well? "Drang nach Osten" has been going on for 1000 years, but we are alive and for another 1000 years we will live with our mentality, received from our mother.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 7 September 2020 15: 39 New
      19
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Russia has no problem. This is the slate rustling in the USA. And we just have to live with a violent under one roof.

      Well, yes, Russia has no problems .. no industry, education, medicine, science .. and no problems ..
      Russia's problems are above the roof, another question is that they are not being solved and are marking time, or rather, slowly degrading for 30 years. And you need to look for the guilty inside, not outside ..
      1. Vend
        Vend 7 September 2020 16: 01 New
        -13
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Russia has no problem. This is the slate rustling in the USA. And we just have to live with a violent under one roof.

        Well, yes, Russia has no problems .. no industry, education, medicine, science .. and no problems ..
        Russia's problems are above the roof, another question is that they are not being solved and are marking time, or rather, slowly degrading for 30 years. And you need to look for the guilty inside, not outside ..

        No industry talk laughing

        1. Svarog
          Svarog 7 September 2020 16: 08 New
          12
          Quote: Wend
          No industry talk

          Some kind of pale unreadable picture was thrown off and you have fun wassat Did you understand anything from it yourself?
          1. Vend
            Vend 7 September 2020 16: 58 New
            -11
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Wend
            No industry talk

            Some kind of pale unreadable picture was thrown off and you have fun wassat Did you understand anything from it yourself?

            If you can't read it, then the Internet will help you. See how many factories were built in 2019 and 2020.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 7 September 2020 17: 06 New
              10
              Quote: Wend
              If you can't read it, then the Internet will help you. See how many factories were built in 2019 and 2020.

              So you are trying to convince the public that life is getting better .. life is becoming more fun .. Everything is being built and developing .. So you and to justify your arguments .. the picture would be at least better quality ..
              Also, see who is the real owner there ... and where the money is taken out ..
              1. Vend
                Vend 7 September 2020 17: 19 New
                -12
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: Wend
                If you can't read it, then the Internet will help you. See how many factories were built in 2019 and 2020.

                So you are trying to convince the public that life is getting better .. life is becoming more fun .. Everything is being built and developing .. So you and to justify your arguments .. the picture would be at least better quality ..
                Also, see who is the real owner there ... and where the money is taken out ..

                Yes, any answer will not suit you laughing
                So clearer? laughing But seriously. then under Putin, production increased by 3623 than in the USSR in 1990. I will add, otherwise you will not believe in Russia 26 medium and large enterprises. in the RSFSR there were 477 medium and large enterprises.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 7 September 2020 19: 48 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Wend
                  I will add, otherwise you will not believe in Russia 26 medium and large enterprises.

                  you will walk through any supermarket and evaluate the percentage and quality of work of Russian enterprises
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 8 September 2020 01: 14 New
                    +2
                    Yes Easy. Samberi supermarket. network in the Far East. vegetables DV. meat from DV. milk DV. local squeezes out foreign with wild force .. rather even squeezed out in almost many positions. moreover, it not only squeezes out, but also with competition between local producers. there has never been such a variety and choice of natural products. over the past year and a half after the chicken nets were filled with chilled pork, which was previously only on the market. fresh vegetables and various greens poured from all regions. even from Sakhalin.
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 8 September 2020 02: 33 New
                      +4
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      Yes Easy. Samberi supermarket. network in the Far East. vegetables

                      it inspires. In fact, even though I am a supporter of socialism, I see some things, even here in Siberia. For example, many bodies of water are stocked with commercial fish. But in Siberian supermarkets there is only an abundance of foreign goods. We mean industrial. There is a lot of pork and beef of our own. There are almost no vegetables of our own, the harvesters and equipment in local JSCs are imported or, at best, Belarusian. Screws and everything else China.
                    2. blackice
                      blackice 9 September 2020 04: 00 New
                      +2

                      Sambury. network in the Far East. vegetables DV. meat from DV. milk DV.

                      Milk - maybe. Vegetables meat Far East?
                      Good gentleman, did you happen to buy cannabis in Sambury?
                      Vegetables in 90% China, meat in the BEST case Altai, Transbaikalia, and also China.

                      All bullshit. All China. The meat is mainly China too.
                    3. Arthur73
                      Arthur73 14 September 2020 05: 00 New
                      0
                      Meat-China? And where is the Amur broiler doing? KSK? Partizan? (This is from large producers). They bring enough from Transbaikalia. But I haven’t seen Ketai meat in Blagoe for 10 years. With vegetables, yes, worse. In winter. enough.
                2. blackice
                  blackice 9 September 2020 03: 59 New
                  0
                  Sambury. network in the Far East. vegetables DV. meat from DV. milk DV.

                  Milk - maybe. Vegetables meat Far East?
                  Good gentleman, did you happen to buy cannabis in Sambury?
                  Vegetables in 90% China, meat in the BEST case Altai, Transbaikalia, and also China.
              2. Vend
                Vend 8 September 2020 11: 26 New
                -3
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Quote: Wend
                I will add, otherwise you will not believe in Russia 26 medium and large enterprises.

                you will walk through any supermarket and evaluate the percentage and quality of work of Russian enterprises

                You know, I regularly go to the store. less and less foreign))
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 9 September 2020 05: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Wend
                  You know, I regularly go to the store. less and less foreign))

                  I am a veterinarian by profession, in our profession there are also many new labels, Russian, Allegedly.
                  for example, NITA Pharm, VIC. However, none of these companies produces substances; they make all their medicines from Chinese powders. Antibiotics and vitamins are also only Great China. The question is - what can this lead to? The answer is to the degradation of our scientific and industrial resource
            2. blackice
              blackice 9 September 2020 03: 56 New
              +1
              But seriously. then under Putin, production increased by 3623 than in the USSR in 1990.

              Bolshoy Kamen town, Primorsky Territory.
              Plants liquidated:
              Construction detail
              ZSO "Vostok"
              DVZ "Zvezda" is practically liquidated
              On the verge of liquidation of TP "Era"
              Created - SSK "Zvezda" - due to the capacities of DVZ "Zvezda"
              pollock processing plant "Dobroflot" (brainchild of onvamnedimon)
              And then there is Vladivostok, Nakhodka, Ussuriisk.
              In addition, by the nature of his work, he traveled all over Siberia and the Far East.
              Enterprises are simply ruined by darkness. And the abandoned settlements, where these enterprises were city-forming.
              So where is the growth in production?
              1. Vend
                Vend 9 September 2020 10: 47 New
                0
                Quote: blackice
                But seriously. then under Putin, production increased by 3623 than in the USSR in 1990.

                Bolshoy Kamen town, Primorsky Territory.
                Plants liquidated:
                Construction detail
                ZSO "Vostok"
                DVZ "Zvezda" is practically liquidated
                On the verge of liquidation of TP "Era"
                Created - SSK "Zvezda" - due to the capacities of DVZ "Zvezda"
                pollock processing plant "Dobroflot" (brainchild of onvamnedimon)
                And then there is Vladivostok, Nakhodka, Ussuriisk.
                In addition, by the nature of his work, he traveled all over Siberia and the Far East.
                Enterprises are simply ruined by darkness. And the abandoned settlements, where these enterprises were city-forming.
                So where is the growth in production?

                Do not believe me, google it on the Internet, how many, where and what enterprises are built.
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        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 8 September 2020 18: 02 New
          -4
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Wend
          No industry talk

          Some kind of pale unreadable picture was thrown off and you have fun wassat Did you understand anything from it yourself?

          If you can't read it, then the Internet will help you. See how many factories were built in 2019 and 2020.

          What kind of oil refineries? This is dry statistics, and a chicken coop under the guise of a factory can be crammed into it, and there are no statistics of closed old enterprises.
          How is machine tool building in the Russian Federation? Does someone make CNC machines with us? As with electronics, can someone own a Russian TV or computer? It's better not to remember about passenger cars, those successful models of the Vesta type are solid from foreign components
          1. Vend
            Vend 9 September 2020 10: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Quote: Wend
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Wend
            No industry talk

            Some kind of pale unreadable picture was thrown off and you have fun wassat Did you understand anything from it yourself?

            If you can't read it, then the Internet will help you. See how many factories were built in 2019 and 2020.

            What kind of oil refineries? This is dry statistics, and a chicken coop under the guise of a factory can be crammed into it, and there are no statistics of closed old enterprises.
            How is machine tool building in the Russian Federation? Does someone make CNC machines with us? As with electronics, can someone own a Russian TV or computer? It's better not to remember about passenger cars, those successful models of the Vesta type are solid from foreign components

            They are not so dry statistics. wink Do you think you sat on your mournful skate and galloped off? laughing no it won't work laughing
            LSP
            The plant is located in Lipetsk. Produces a wide range of CNC metalworking machines. The localization of production is almost complete, the beds are cast in Russia, the Ruselprom drives, the CNC system is also Russian-made. More details in my material from the factory.
            STP-LSP
            LSP's immediate neighbor, but a separate legal entity. A new enterprise, opened a couple of years ago, the production was built from scratch. They mainly specialize in the production of surface grinding machines.
            FORT
            A large holding company that includes several enterprises. One of them is the Sasta plant, where a full cycle of production of metal-cutting machines is organized: from design and casting to final assembly. The plant has all 6 technological stages that are necessary for operation in accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 719.
            The production area of ​​the plant is over 75 sq. m.
            Another plant of the group, FGUP PRIBOROSTROITELNY ZAVOD, is a part of Rosatom, but since 2013 it has been producing machine tools. A full cycle is also organized here, including casting and machining.
            Tver Machine-Tool Plant
            Russian manufacturer of CNC machines and machining centers. Full localization, wide range of models.
            Engineering Enterprise "PromStroyMash"
            The factories of the enterprise are located in the Orenburg region. "PromStroyMash" produces press-forging and metal-cutting machines, pipe bending machines ... The list is more than 100 different models .. It is a modern, well-equipped machine-building plant that provides a full cycle of equipment production.
            Southern plant of heavy machine tool building
            Ulyanovsk Machine-Tool Plant
            The Ulyanovsk Machine-Tool Plant is the most modern manufacturing facility in the DMG MORI global network. Due to deep localization, it has the status of a Russian manufacturer.
            STAN Group
            Well, for a snack, the country's largest machine tool production association includes 7 factories:
            OOO NPO Stankostroenie (Republic of Bashkortostan, Sterlitamak)
            JSC "Stankotech" (Moscow region, Kolomna)
            Ryazan Machine Building Plant LLC (Ryazan)
            LLC "Ivanovo machine-tool plant" (Ivanovo)
            LLC "Grinding Machines" (Moscow)
            LLC "Savyolovskiy machine-tool plant" (Tver region, Kimry)
            Donpressmash LLC (Rostov region, Azov)
            It occupies more than 50% of the domestic market for the production of metalworking machines. The widest range of products manufactured, from heavy machine tools to multifunctional machining centers. Maximum localization of production in Russia.
            This is not a complete list of machine tool companies. There are manufacturers of plasma and laser cutting machines, machines for the production of building materials, balancing machines and other equipment in Russia.
    2. CBR600
      CBR600 7 September 2020 16: 31 New
      +8
      minusanul, destroyed more. and yes, the same ears.
      1. Vend
        Vend 7 September 2020 16: 58 New
        -3
        Quote: CBR600
        minusanul, destroyed more. and yes, the same ears.


        Then give the numbers, for fun
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 7 September 2020 19: 22 New
          11
          Quote: Wend
          Then give the numbers, for fun

          Here are large enterprises in Krasnoyarsk alone, which employed several thousand, and some tens of thousands of people:
          Plant "Sivinit"
          Krasnoyarsk TV Plant
          Sibelektrostal plant
          Sibtyazhmash plant
          Jaw excavator factory
          Combine plant
          Tire factory
          RTI plant
          Krastyazhmash
          Woodworking factory
          Shipbuilding factory
          Shipyard
          Medicines plant
          Low-voltage equipment plant
          Trailer plant
          Radio plant
          Chemical plant "Yenisei"
          Pulp and Paper Mill
          Margarine plant
          Brewery "Pikra" (it was a large factory)
          Hydrolysis plant
          Plant "Quant"
          Silk mill
          Meat Factory
          Kraslesmash
          Glass factory
          and a number of other enterprises ...
          1. vladimirvn
            vladimirvn 8 September 2020 14: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Andrew NM
            Here are large enterprises in Krasnoyarsk alone, which employed several thousand, and some tens of thousands of people:

            Krasnoyarsk is a happy exception. Take, for comparison, Omsk or any other settlement with up to 500 thousand population.
            1. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 8 September 2020 19: 43 New
              0
              Quote: vladimirvn
              Krasnoyarsk is a happy exception.

              What is the exception? Is the list of closed businesses not small enough? Or did the enterprises in Omsk not close?
  • dSK
    dSK 7 September 2020 16: 36 New
    -4
    It doesn't matter that we kill children, and you save them. We kill them in the name of good, and since you stand in our way, then you are evil.

    familiar David Rockefeller and so on and on and on ...
    The main forecast is described 2000 years ago in the "Apocalypse" - your Messiah will reign over the world for 3,5 years until the second coming of Christ.
    Gospel prophecy about the complete destruction of Jerusalem and the temple of Solomon after the execution of Christ, and the expulsion of the Jews into the scattering 100% fulfilled... There is no doubt what will happen The Second Coming of Christ and the "Last Judgment"
    Also, Seraphim of Sarov, the miracle worker and prophet, said that the Antichrist would not step on my territory.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 10 September 2020 14: 50 New
      0
      Gospel prophecy about the complete destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple of Solomon

      But does he write anything about America and globalization? Why are you bringing him?
  • shura7782
    shura7782 7 September 2020 22: 07 New
    +2
    And you need to look for the guilty inside, not outside ..
    Well, they don’t want to look, and that's it. It's easier to nod at the outside.
  • timokhin-aa
    7 September 2020 15: 53 New
    +4
    And what's wrong with the old?


    They don't help.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      They don't help.

      Seriously? This means elementary human values, how much humanity has been helping, and now bam-and everything has broken. We need to invent something else. And what do you propose to invent? Live by same-sex marriages? Or maybe "beat and rob" is right? Or maybe hate is the road to Paradise? So what new values ​​are you trying to talk about here?
      1. timokhin-aa
        7 September 2020 16: 12 New
        +6
        Seriously? This means elementary human values, how much mankind has helped, and now, bam, everything has broken. We need to invent something else. And what do you propose to invent? Living in same-sex marriage?


        You don't understand the meaning of what you read.

        Let me announce the next part.

        What values ​​should we change? First, defense is bad, attack is good. Killing first is right, waiting for someone to shoot at you to dress up in a toga of moral superiority is wrong. All people should be divided into "clean" (the bulk of humanity) and "unclean" (USA and the West). The "impure" are taken outside the framework of human morality.

        Etc.

        Overpowered? Re-read what you are commenting, you do not understand the meaning of the text, but download in the comments.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          All people should be divided into "clean" (the bulk of humanity) and "unclean" (USA and the West)

          It remains only to zealously throw forward his hand with a cry Zig, Hail!
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          The "impure" are taken outside the framework of human morality.

          Or immediately into the furnace of the crematorium ... You have even now written ... this postulate is one of the basic elementary fascism. And you don't even understand it.
          The West, dear, is not just one pile of dung that ALL without exception hates us.
          1. timokhin-aa
            7 September 2020 16: 34 New
            15
            I just want my culture and the Russian language to survive. If for this it is necessary to demonstrate unsportsmanlike methods to someone, then I have no problems with that at all.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 39 New
              +4
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              I just want my culture and the Russian language to survive.

              So live, be fruitful, multiply. Who's stopping you? Teach your children our history, literature, art, etc. ... someone is holding your hands? Start with yourself, with your family. Because what you are proposing is like the hero Vitsin with the bottom pot.
              If every Russian, regardless of whether he is a citizen of the Russian Federation or not, brings up his children in the key of love and respect, and most importantly knowledge of his Russian civilization, Russia will not go anywhere, no matter how much the Western elites want it.
              And the replacement of real moral values ​​is a very dangerous thing, and Western society is a clear example of this now.
              1. timokhin-aa
                7 September 2020 17: 06 New
                +2
                So live, be fruitful, multiply. Who's stopping you?


                So already.

                If every Russian, regardless of whether he is a citizen of the Russian Federation or not, brings up his children in the key of love and respect, and most importantly knowledge of his Russian civilization, Russia will not go anywhere, no matter how much the Western elites want it.


                No, all of the above does not greatly affect whether Russia will go away or not.
                Here is the ability to eliminate the sources of destructive influences - it affects completely. And for this we need a lot of things that we do not have.

                But you do not understand this, your races in the comments are a vivid confirmation of this.
              2. Aleksandr1971
                Aleksandr1971 8 September 2020 15: 42 New
                +3
                The West is hindering fertility and multiplication in Russia, which has aimed atomic warheads at Russia, surrounded on all sides with several hundred military bases and is practicing nuclear strikes, for example, from the territory of our former Ukraine.
                Under such pressure, one has to allocate large sums of money for defense instead of spending on the economy and social services.
                You can love your children and culture as much as you want, but this will not save Russia if Russia is defeated in a possible war with the West.
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 31 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Aleksandr1971
                  The West prevents fertility and multiplication in Russia,

                  what nonsense! bully get a wife and love and still earn ... laughing
                  1. Aleksandr1971
                    Aleksandr1971 8 September 2020 16: 41 New
                    +1
                    And who are you to have the moral right to tell me.
                    I have a wife. My daughter is almost 19 years old, lives and studies in the USA. Son is 3 years old. I work, travel up to 1/3 a year. Your advice on the topic that I should go about my own business and not poke my nose into tall matter?
                    1. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 24 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Aleksandr1971
                      And who are you to have the moral right to tell me.

                      I am the one with 4 children ... bully
                      Quote: Aleksandr1971
                      My daughter is almost 19 years old, lives and studies in the USA.

                      Why didn't she find a university in Russia? daddy's brains filled with nonsense? bully
                      Quote: Aleksandr1971
                      so that I would only mind my own business and not poke my nose into high matters?

                      said nonsense - get an answer! bully
                      Quote: Aleksandr1971
                      I work, travel up to 1/3 a year.

                      so bad at home? wink
                    2. Aleksandr1971
                      Aleksandr1971 9 September 2020 12: 31 New
                      0
                      Another flood from your side. I'm waiting for the moderator's reaction.
                2. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 9 September 2020 12: 28 New
                  0
                  You flood instead of sticking to the topic and provoke others to move away from the topic.
              3. blackice
                blackice 9 September 2020 04: 07 New
                -1
                The internal policy of the state interferes with fruitfulness and multiplication.
                As soon as the state is REALLY concerned about the well-being of its citizens, they will start to breed.
                Even in nature, so in a hungry year, the number of a new generation of animals is several times less than in a well-fed one.
                1. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 9 September 2020 04: 19 New
                  +1
                  In a rich country, people do not multiply, but shrink. If there is population growth in a rich country, it is only at the expense of migrants.
                  And in nature, all animals are poor.
                  1. blackice
                    blackice 10 September 2020 05: 41 New
                    0
                    And in nature, all animals are poor

                    There is no word wealth in nature. There are conditions for survival.
                    So, I understand that at school not everyone liked zoology, but it was there that the dependence of population growth on survival conditions was explained.
                    And who wrote about wealth?
                    Wealth and wealth are not the same thing.
                    USSR as an example to you.
                2. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 25 New
                  -1
                  Quote: blackice
                  The internal policy of the state interferes with fruitfulness and multiplication.

                  it's like - you are not allowed to see your wife? bully
                  Quote: blackice
                  As soon as the state is REALLY concerned about the well-being of its citizens, they will start to breed.

                  those. are you the type of pet - are you fed - do you breed? Can't you feed yourself and your family? repeat
                  1. blackice
                    blackice 10 September 2020 05: 40 New
                    0
                    Well yes. It's easier to cut in the "fool" and pretend that the country's population is solely to blame for everything.
                    What prevents you from getting an education?
                  2. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 10 September 2020 20: 30 New
                    0
                    Quote: blackice
                    What prevents you from getting an education?

                    my insurance level is the highest possible in principle bully
                    Quote: blackice
                    and pretend that the country's population is solely to blame for everything.

                    the population is made up of people, some work, others whine hi
                  3. blackice
                    blackice 11 September 2020 07: 24 New
                    0
                    my insurance level is the highest possible in principle

                    Willingly believe.
                    In your case, the principle works: Many knowledge, many sorrows. In the sense that excessive knowledge violated the ability to draw logical conclusions.
                    the population is made up of people, some work, others whine

                    Name at least one city in Russia free from unemployment?
                  4. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 11 September 2020 12: 40 New
                    -1
                    Quote: blackice
                    In the sense that excessive knowledge violated the ability to draw logical conclusions.

                    this is your assumption and incredibly stupid in nature ... request However, I see no reason to convince you - based on your maxims above, this is useless - if you like to consider yourself an animal, please ... request
                    Quote: blackice
                    Name at least one city in Russia free from unemployment?

                    unemployment will be and has always been, the question is its size! Even in the USSR - be surprised, but there were employment services there too! A small unemployment in itself is more of a plus - it motivates people to work better and change their profession, but it's difficult for you ... wink
                  5. blackice
                    blackice 12 September 2020 02: 42 New
                    -2
                    unemployment will be and has always been, the question is its size! Even in the USSR - be surprised, but there were employment services there too! A small unemployment in itself is more of a plus - it motivates people to work better and change their profession, but it's difficult for you ...

                    Oooh, I see you have learned your Zen !!!
                    In order not to answer the question directly, you have to pretend that you are pretty damn smart, and your opponent is an impassable dumbness.
                    Do you kremlebots have no other terminology?
                    If only they wrote in different ways.
                    this is your assumption and incredibly stupid in its essence ... request However, I see no reason to persuade you - based on your maxims above, this is useless - like to consider yourself an animal - please ...

                    Turning around like a louse on a comb is the only thing that is good at kremlebots.
                    Better to be an animal than a corrupt sh..oi.
                  6. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 12 September 2020 14: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: blackice
                    I see you have learned your Zen !!!

                    poking strangers is not good - your parents raised you badly, which is not surprising ... bully
                    Quote: blackice
                    Better to be an animal than a corrupt sh..oi.

                    1) I'm glad that you realized and clearly named your essence ... bully
                    2) Communicating with an animal is humiliating for humans - good luck ... hi
                  7. blackice
                    blackice 17 September 2020 09: 42 New
                    -2
                    poking strangers is not good - your parents raised you badly, which is not surprising ..

                    Everyone deserves the communication that they understand. See how offended you are?
                    1) I'm glad that you realized and clearly named your essence ...
                    2) Communicating with an animal is humiliating for humans - good luck ...

                    I'm glad that among the animals there are no sh..h.
                    Even though she is human. Probably. In a sense. wink
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 7 September 2020 19: 54 New
    +8
    Quote: NEXUS
    The West, dear, is not one pile of dung that ALL of us hate us

    there are also a lot of us Russians who love the word socialism. Unfortunately, only politically significant people, who are a million times smaller, made the decision that socialism is expensive, so we have Capitalism. sad
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 33 New
      -3
      Quote: aybolyt678
      who love the word socialism.

      why love him?
      for empty store shelves? for the fact that both my grandfathers were repressed and robbed?
      for sitting on meaningless desks / professional / coms and other meetings? Political education weekly?
      Trips to the collective farm?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 8 September 2020 19: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: DrEng527
        behind empty store shelves

        empty store shelves were then when the party bourgeoisie ruled the country, from the beginning of the 70s until that the shelves were full
        Quote: DrEng527
        the fact that both of my grandfathers were repressed and robbed?

        but everyone else felt warmer smile
        Quote: DrEng527
        for sitting on meaningless desks / professional / coms and other meetings? Political education weekly?

        once a week 10 minutes of free information? for which you don't have to pay?
        Quote: DrEng527
        Trips to the collective farm?

        Yes! Yes! communication with girls, including village girls, songs with a guitar around the campfire, we developed by inventing entertainment for ourselves, and were not humiliated laughing
        But seriously, the USSR in different periods is a different country, and not a vinaigrette like yours
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: aybolyt678
          from the early 70 to that the shelves were full

          not even funny bully just read - why the workers revolted in Novocherkassk in 62 and why they were shot ... From the personal - at the very beginning of the 1960s my father stood for milk from night for me - I believe him, you don't ... request

          Quote: aybolyt678
          but everyone else felt warmer

          so you are from the class of bandits? it is clear why the urks were socially close to the Bolsheviks ...
          Quote: aybolyt678
          once a week 10 minutes of free information? for which you don't have to pay?

          1) it looks like you did not sit in a scoop at meetings - I have a lot ... bully
          2) political studies are at least an hour ... and during working hours ... and the required work - AFTER the working day ... only under Andropov did they begin to demand that it be done after work - but then the people did not go ... bully
          Quote: aybolyt678
          we developed by inventing entertainment for ourselves, and were not humiliated

          take it easy - we had fun there, but we understood perfectly well that it was the power's debility when professionals in serious fields do low-skilled work manually ... request
          Quote: aybolyt678
          But seriously, the USSR in different periods is a different country, and not a vinaigrette like yours

          1) I remember everything well since 1975 ...
          2) Before that my father told me
          3) even earlier grandfather - he is 1900gr
          So the country was always the same - the power was bandit, and the economy was in a mess ... request
          Therefore, the richest country bought grain and could not feed itself ... but for the chiefs there were distributors, and at the temporary detention facility there was also a secret salary in envelopes - the urks shared the common fund ... bully
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 9 September 2020 13: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: DrEng527
            so you are from the class of bandits?

            no doctors, there were no problems with milk and sweets.
            Quote: DrEng527
            I remember everything well since 1975.

            and i since 1972
            Quote: DrEng527
            So the country was always the same - the power of the bandit, and the economy in a mess.

            there is simply not enough money, and there is a sea of ​​freedom in our country, I love her ... Everyone can scold, but no one could offer something sensible, except for Stalin, I even gave you a plus sign for trying laughing
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 10 September 2020 20: 34 New
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              there were no problems with milk and sweets.

              reminds Matroskin - he is at a shoe polish factory ... request
              robbed patients? fi ....

              Quote: aybolyt678
              except Stalin, no one could,

              I will answer in such a way that it is a pity that your grandfathers did not serve in the Gulag hi Here my mother was sitting on a special. settlement from birth to 12 years old ... humanism in the USSR went off scale ... hi
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 11 September 2020 09: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: DrEng527
              robbed patients? fi ....

              grateful patients brought lol
              Quote: DrEng527
              Here my mother was sitting on a special. settlement from birth to 12 years ...

              and which of us has criminal ancestors ?? wassat I know that any revolutionary is a specialist in changing the state system, so Stalin was right to plant at 37
            3. DrEng527
              DrEng527 11 September 2020 12: 57 New
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              grateful patients brought

              well, well ... if the teacher takes this bribe, if the doctor - gratitude ... bully
              Quote: aybolyt678
              and which of us has criminal ancestors ??

              if not a secret, do you consider the fact of birth a crime? Or have you lost your bearings in life?
              Quote: aybolyt678
              I know that any revolutionary is a specialist in changing the state system, so Stalin was right to plant at 37

              1) The IVS itself had to be up against the wall - he robbed banks and was engaged in a rack ...
              2) Under the SV, the authorities were imprisoned continuously, in 36-37 it was simply more ...
            4. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 12 September 2020 09: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: DrEng527
              The IVS itself had to be up against the wall - he robbed banks and was engaged in a rack ...

              he served his
              Quote: DrEng527
              Under the SV, the authorities were imprisoned continuously, at 36-37 just more ...

              but now they do not imprison ... then it was a selection system, they took out a Soviet man laughing
              Quote: DrEng527
              if not a secret, do you consider the fact of birth a crime? Or have you lost your bearings in life?

              and now that women do not give birth in prisons or settlements ??
            5. DrEng527
              DrEng527 12 September 2020 14: 54 New
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              he served his

              fled ... and was not even convicted for the genocide of the Russian people ... request
              Quote: aybolyt678
              but now they do not plant ..

              imprisoned, but in court! and not by solving triples ... is the difference available?
              Quote: aybolyt678
              When it was a selection system, a man of Soviet

              they destroyed millions of innocent people, and as a result, the Bolsheviks themselves destroyed and sold their state ... and the homo-Soviets were brought out - there are still flocks of balls running around Russia ... request
              Quote: aybolyt678
              and now that women do not give birth in prisons or settlements ??

              then you did not understand - now the children born are not ZK, and then the mother from the moment of birth was struck in rights ... request after the overthrow of the SV was rehabilitated ... hi
            6. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 12 September 2020 17: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: DrEng527
              fled ... and was not even convicted for the genocide of the Russian people ...

              everyone is running, but someone was caught and sent to the Turukhansk region. Under Stalin, Russians settled in Magadan, the Asian republics, the Baltic states ... And now it is just genocide that is probably going on?
              There is no need to call the selection work genocide, you survived and subconsciously want to cover the entire Earth with a two-meter layer of descendants ... what's stopping you? Stalin is gone ... Capitalism has won, Lenin is being draped. HAPPINESS!
              Quote: DrEng527
              destroyed millions of innocent people

              innocent people don't get involved smile
              Quote: DrEng527
              and as a result, the Bolsheviks themselves destroyed and sold their state.

              I did not sell the state. and sold probably unfinished Trotskyists. smile
              Quote: DrEng527
              and the homo-sovieticus were brought out - there are still flocks of ballpoints running around Russia ...

              what flock should I stick to? around some consumers go!
            7. DrEng527
              DrEng527 12 September 2020 17: 25 New
              0
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Under Stalin, Russians settled in Magadan, the Asian republics, the Baltic ...

              what nonsense? do you know the history of Russia? It was at the temporary detention facility that all sorts of Kazakhstanis were created on Russian lands - for example, the Ural Cossacks ...
              Quote: aybolyt678
              It is not necessary to call the selection work genocide, in

              are you a Nazi? indulge in eugenics?
              Quote: aybolyt678
              innocent people don't get involved

              seem to have not been interrogated by the authorities ... happy for you
              Quote: aybolyt678
              and sold probably unfinished Trotskyists.

              do you distinguish types of shit?
              Quote: aybolyt678
              around some consumers go!

              and what is wrong with consumption?
  • Antagonist
    Antagonist 7 September 2020 16: 25 New
    14
    Quote: NEXUS
    And what's wrong with the old?

    Old values ​​are outdated they do not provide for certain innovations lol
    Quote: NEXUS
    democracy, especially performed by the US with LGBT people, ghettos, wars around the world ... this is the biggest LIE for ordinary people.

    Many fall for this lie. We were led to this lie 30 years ago. What is there 30 years ago. Over there in Belarus or in Ukraine, and in our country, there are some individuals who believe that everything is fine with them in the USA, equality and all things, and we must strive for them ...
    1. dSK
      dSK 7 September 2020 22: 50 New
      -3
      Quote: Antagonist
      Old values ​​are outdated they do not provide for certain innovations

      Do you want to "correct" the Lord God and change 10 "God's commandments"?
      What new can you suggest?
      1. timokhin-aa
        8 September 2020 08: 58 New
        +4
        Shoot first.
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 34 New
          0
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Shoot first.

          but without war it is stronger ... see standing on the Ugra ... repeat
          1. timokhin-aa
            9 September 2020 12: 46 New
            +2
            So the enemy is stubborn, will move away and strike again. After Ugra, I had to reach Kazan and Astrakhan, just not right away
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 9 September 2020 14: 29 New
              0
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              So the enemy is stubborn, will move away and strike again.

              and you are not exaggerating its capabilities and strength? look at the DPRK - how they made them, we have a problem with the leader - he is quiet and doesn't knock with his fist ..... although sometimes it's not bad
        2. depressant
          depressant 8 September 2020 17: 23 New
          +4
          Wow...
          They surrounded us. They go around in circles, provoke, they predatory expect us to shoot first. And then, under the indignant cries of the popular Western masses, they will all heap on our country from all sides as an aggressor, and good neighbors in the form of China, Kazakhstan, Japan, and others, saying "Why is it there, if so!", Will begin to tear us into pieces, and other pieces, declaring their neutrality, will begin to declare independence ...
          No, the Author. Not this way. It is necessary to wait for the first shot from their side, to shout to the whole world about aggression, to let that world be convinced by all available methods that there was aggression, and only then to gasp in response - inadequately, disproportionately, frighteningly, so that even the most common natives on distant oceanic islands, from any side not involved in anything, the veins shook. To choke so that they choke on the bloody slurry. And let, shell-shocked and wounded, crawling away from the place or even places of punishment, in a whisper, fearfully said: "Come on, these Russians, to their goblin! Apparently, it's better not to touch them ..."
          And carefully monitor whether the hand reaches for the red button of the defenders of the victims. At the slightest suspicion, our hand should be more nimble, or just seconds behind.
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 27 New
            0
            Quote: depressant
            it is necessary to wait for the first shot from their side, to shout to the whole world about aggression, to let that world be convinced by all available methods that there was aggression, and only then to gasp in response -

            what nonsense in the nuclear age ... bully it's clear what a woman writes ... hi
            1. depressant
              depressant 9 September 2020 12: 31 New
              +1
              Add - completely angry))
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 12 September 2020 17: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: DrEng527
              what nonsense in the nuclear age ... it's clear what a woman writes ...

              what's the difference what era? you should always be a gentleman! yes this is first,
              and secondly, write something of your own better.
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 12 September 2020 17: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: aybolyt678
                what difference what era

                chew it - the first strike decides everything in the nuclear one ...
                Quote: aybolyt678
                , write something of your own better.

                what for? most here on the site will not understand ... request
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 12 September 2020 20: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  chew it - the first strike decides everything in the nuclear one ..

                  so the lady just says that to hit first, but not just like that, but to get down to business! at least that's how I understood
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  what for? most here on the site will not understand ...

                  not fools sit here, most of course think in blocks, react not to meaning but to symbols, but that's why they sit looking for the Truth
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 14 September 2020 12: 13 New
                    +2
                    Quote: depressant
                    Necessary wait for the first shot on their part, to scream aggression to the whole world,

                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    but not just like that, but to get down to business! at least that's how I understood

                    so hard to read carefully? request
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    but that's why they sit looking for the Truth

                    that's what I mean! drinks
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    no fools sit here,

                    it's a question of terminology ... request
      2. Antagonist
        Antagonist 8 September 2020 23: 44 New
        10
        Quote: dsk
        Do you want to "correct" the Lord God and change 10 "God's commandments"?

        I wonder how you managed to read in my comment what is not there?
  • Woodman
    Woodman 7 September 2020 15: 16 New
    -7
    Let's imagine for a second that our country does not exist. Not in the sense that instead of her there is a whole brood of bantustans, but that she is NOT AT ALL. That she disappeared completely.
    And then I remembered: "We don't need a world without Russia."
    PS But to my regret (and surprise) I did not master the article to the end, even diagonally ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 September 2020 15: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Lesovik
      PS But to my regret (and surprise) I did not master the article to the end, even diagonally ...

      There is a lot of drunken delirium in it, which is really very difficult to finish reading. I remember articles from 12-13 years on VO. There was a sense of professionalism, or at least claims to it. And under those articles, really interesting discussions and disputes unfolded. Now, I scribbled the bullshit about the fact that we Russians live wrong, and America will press us, and that's it ... journalist.
      1. timokhin-aa
        7 September 2020 15: 54 New
        +5
        .Now, I scribbled the bullshit about the fact that we Russians do not live correctly, and America will squeeze us, and that's all ... consider a journalist.


        But this is not in the article, you understood everything the other way around.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 09 New
          10
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          But this is not in the article, you understood everything the other way around.

          don't worry smile normal article .. a lot of words from myself, few stamps - images, or symbols, you just used little of the generally accepted symbols, which some readers were waiting for. After reading the word-symbol, they turn on logical chains that correlate with their understanding of the world. Many generally read by catching these very symbols without bothering to grasp the essence. The article uses a non-standard synthesis and analysis with the exclusion of Russia from the world order, it would be funny to read what will happen if you exclude all other countries from the world order, leaving only Russia in it. Unfortunately, there will definitely not be communism, and we must admit that today we have nothing to offer the world, no Idea. IMHO of course.
          1. timokhin-aa
            8 September 2020 08: 58 New
            +8
            I did this on purpose. Templates break only in this way and in no other way. And since the template is evil, then ...

            Tomorrow, half of the racers will be ashamed of what they were carrying.
    2. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 15: 54 New
      +9
      PS But to my regret (and surprise) I did not master the article to the end, even diagonally ...


      Then why comment? So that everyone can see what you have not mastered?
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 7 September 2020 15: 58 New
        -4
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Then why comment?

        Are you sorry? And in general, what I did not master is a hint of quality ...
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 15: 59 New
          +2
          I'm not sorry, no.

          And in general, what I did not master is a hint of quality ...


          Yes, this is not a hint, it is a direct indication of quality. The quality of you.
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 7 September 2020 16: 03 New
            -1
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            this is a direct indication of quality. The quality of you.

            Well, this is how the discussion of the quality of the article smoothly turns into personalities ... Mdya ...
            1. timokhin-aa
              7 September 2020 16: 14 New
              +1
              But everything is cultural, without rudeness.

              It's just that everyone has their own intellectual limit. You found yours. That's all.
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 7 September 2020 16: 17 New
                -2
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                You found yours. That's all.

                And you, as I understand it, are still in search? So look somewhere nearby, because obviously you haven't gone far.
                1. timokhin-aa
                  7 September 2020 16: 35 New
                  -2
                  No, I found mine long ago. He, frankly, is higher than yours.
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 8 September 2020 11: 19 New
                -2
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                It's just that everyone has their own intellectual limit.
                You, hike, have broken through your limit: in an unfamiliar place it is safer to dive with a "soldier", and not a "pike".
              3. blackice
                blackice 9 September 2020 04: 19 New
                -1
                It's just that everyone has their own intellectual limit. You found yours. That's all.

                Mmmmm !!!!
                Does the crown press you?
                Somehow to determine according to your article the level of intelligence of others, at least mania. Greatness.
                And it cannot be that half of the nonsense that you wrote fits exactly what you present to your opponents?
                What do you know about psychiatry, psychology? Basic university course?
                You know, I am even more convinced that the article contains at least 50% of nonsense, on the topic "How smart I am, I just bastard myself", after you wrote more than once about the stupidity of others. Not directly, of course, but the expression "intellectual limit" is just a masterpiece!
                Well, as psychiatrists say - just not a smart person (sorry, the moderation does not miss a real word from the expression) does not doubt his genius, while a genius constantly doubts his mental abilities. hi
                1. timokhin-aa
                  9 September 2020 12: 48 New
                  +1
                  I quite doubt my abilities, but the fact of the crowd of people who have not mastered 44000 signs is obvious. People read a simple text and did not master it - a fact.
                  Well, how to treat them?

                  And you, by the way, have mastered it?
                  1. blackice
                    blackice 10 September 2020 03: 09 New
                    0
                    If I undertook to draw conclusions about the article, then I probably read it, right?
                    Isn't it logical?
                    As for doubts about my own abilities, I don't see this in the discussion. Read your answers to others about their opinion about the essence of the article, not its size.
        2. Rakovor
          Rakovor 8 September 2020 08: 50 New
          +4
          This is a hint at the level of your intelligence. I also do not always agree with Timokhin, but the fact that he writes in a simple and intelligible language is a fact.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 7 September 2020 15: 18 New
    27
    An interesting issue was raised .. (issue for the US), but filed too long. In short, Russia stands in the way of globalism and the superiority of the United States and satellites. The article contains few arguments in favor of this version, weapons and grain. But in order to really be a serious problem for the United States, this is clearly not enough. We need an ideology that shows its moral, moral superiority and a self-sufficient economy .. All this was in the USSR, but now only miserable fragments and natural resources are left of it. But we already sell natural resources for a penny and our market is open at the same time .. Our officials and oligarchs have real estate over the hill and keep money there .. What is the danger from us? I think it is greatly exaggerated in the article. And the pressure from the United States is caused by its own internal interests and external irritation ..
    In general, everything is greatly inflated in my opinion, although much has a place to be.
    But the essence of the article is correct. If we, the country's leadership, do not do anything, then we will turn into a fragmented banana state.
    It is necessary to return to the proven means of socialism. To make an in-depth analysis of mistakes and return, taking into account and accumulated experience, to socialism .. Well, there is no other option. And to play with a sharpie on his field, doom yourself to defeat.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 7 September 2020 15: 35 New
      -9
      Do not forget that at the moment there is much more socialism as such in the West than there was under the Soviets. And this is without a whip over the back. laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 September 2020 15: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Ronald Reagan
        Do not forget that at the moment there is much more socialism as such in the West than there was under the Soviets.

        But it is called capitalism.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 7 September 2020 17: 43 New
          +4
          But it is called capitalism.
          Capitalism is good, we would be like that. Here's a reference:
          Germany - here they pay 204 euros per month for each child up to 18 years old. Moreover, if, after 18 years of age, the grown up offspring continues to study, then the allowance will remain until 25 years old - that is, in fact, until the age when he himself begins to earn money.
          France - nothing is paid for the first child in France. But a family with two children already receives 131 euros, and with three - 299 euros.
          Canada - it pays $ 6639 per year for a child under 6 years old and $ 5602 for children from 6 to 17 years old.
          Norway - one of the most highly developed European countries can boast that for the birth of a child, you receive $ 5000 and a monthly allowance of $ 150
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 7 September 2020 17: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            France - nothing is paid for the first child in France. But a family with two children already receives 131 euros, and with three - 299 euros.

            Denmark is bigger, and every month.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 7 September 2020 18: 08 New
              +3
              Then why can't we live like Denmark?
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 7 September 2020 21: 56 New
                0
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Then why can't we live like Denmark?

                Although she is in NATO, and the army is minuscule, and who will attack it, and if they attack, then in an hour kaput.
    2. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 15: 58 New
      +2
      In short, Russia stands in the way of globalism and the superiority of the United States and the satellites .. The article contains few arguments in favor of this version, weapons and grain .. But in order to really be a serious problem for the United States, this is clearly not enough. We need an ideology that demonstrates its moral and moral superiority and a self-sufficient economy ..


      Yes, they already have enough to freak out about us.

      All this was in the USSR


      And he lost
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 7 September 2020 16: 05 New
        12
        All this was in the USSR
        And he lost

        Even if we consider this as a defeat .. then the USSR left the groundwork that it has been used for 30 years already .. Nuclear weapons, Energy, Industry, etc. .. others .. other .. And what fundamental has Russia done in 30 years, in fact, greenhouse conditions , where 20 years have accounted for high prices for the main export item (oil and gas) ..?
        And compare the same period with the USSR .. everything will become clear.
        For this reason, I wrote that a deep analysis of errors is required, the essence of the advice was correct, but the implementation began to slip from the time of Khrushch ..
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 16: 16 New
          +2
          then the backlog of the USSR left such that it has been used for 30 years already .. Nuclear weapons, Energy, Industry, etc. .. other .. other .. And what fundamental has Russia done in 30 years,


          Who has done anything fundamental in the last 30 years? Chinese only if, but their nation is on the rise now.

          in fact, greenhouse conditions, where 20 years have accounted for high prices for the main export item (oil and gas) ..?


          How much did you earn in 2000? This is a simple question.

          And let's compare the same period with the USSR ..


          The result is ONLY important. There is no USSR.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 7 September 2020 16: 23 New
            13
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Who has done anything fundamental in the last 30 years? Chinese only if, but their nation is on the rise now.

            You yourself answered .. someone might .. but not us .. by the way, not only China pulled ..
            For 30 years China has practically been ahead of us in all directions and we have essentially changed places .. Under the USSR, China was a "banana" country, and now we have become such ..
            How much did you earn in 2000? This is a simple question.

            In 2000 I don’t remember .. But for the last 12 years my salary is about the same, only before I had enough money to save .. and now everything is spent on food .. I mean that real inflation is about 30% per year .. And it is stupid to compare salaries because the money has depreciated a lot .. And yes .. I have never taken loans before, but now I have to ..
            The result is ONLY important. There is no USSR.

            Well, if only the result is important, then .. in Russia it is purely negative, starting with demography, ending with the economy .. and with this result, your pessimistic sentiments will definitely come true, only the United States will not be to blame, but the country's leadership .. Which has bred nepotism, corruption and the export of money over the hill ..
            1. timokhin-aa
              7 September 2020 17: 11 New
              +2
              I don’t remember in 2000 ..


              This is the key problem. Remember. How much they received, how much they could buy for it.

              And then a pointless conversation comes out about whether something has been achieved over the past 20 years or not.

              Well, if only the result is important, then ... in Russia it is purely negative, starting with demography and ending with the economy ..


              I remember the spontaneous exchange of food coupons in 1988 in the yard. He was small, he watched from the balcony how people changed. You give me coupons for sugar, and I give you for buckwheat.
              It was quite a USSR then, even the war in Afghanistan was still going on.
              At that time, Afghan songs were popular, collections were sold on records.

              Do you remember this? Or is it all a bare theory for you from a time when you were not yet there?

              I will repeat once again - ONLY the result is important and nothing else. The results of the USSR are obvious.
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 38 New
                -1
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Small was

                but I don’t ... so I remember these coupons well ... and I don’t want to go back to the USSR ...
                1. timokhin-aa
                  9 September 2020 12: 49 New
                  0
                  I don’t want to.
              2. blackice
                blackice 9 September 2020 04: 35 New
                -1
                Well, since such a booze has gone ...
                in 2000, I received about $ 1200. Equivalent in rubles.
                What could you buy? Yes all!
                Now I have a salary of about $ 1000. I live in the Primorsky Territory. What can I buy?
                Lot. But compared to 2000, there is practically nothing.
                In 2012, I filled a full tank of fuel (1000 liters of diesel fuel) for 60 rubles, now I live on exactly the same salary as in 2012, but refueling for the same amount has become 3 times less.
                Progress? Well, obviously!
                As for the times of the USSR, the USSR ended as such, from the word completely, in 1984, when a humpback came to power and in fact it was no longer the USSR. This was the construction of the foundation of the Ozero cooperative.
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 28 New
                  -1
                  Quote: blackice
                  in 2000 I received about $ 1200.

                  you would make better money ... repeat
                  1. blackice
                    blackice 10 September 2020 03: 06 New
                    0
                    you would make better money ..

                    I don't need advice from couch millionaires. hi
                2. timokhin-aa
                  9 September 2020 12: 49 New
                  +1
                  Che that the officer's daughter suffered ... Did you get money in dollars?
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 9 September 2020 14: 30 New
                    +1
                    Quote: timokhin-aa
                    Did you get money in dollars?

                    I got it in the 90s ... there was such an organization ISTC repeat
          2. DrEng527
            DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Who has done anything fundamental in the last 30 years?

            be surprised but over the years in the Russian Federation:
            1) We provided ourselves with food ... started exporting it ...
            2) Raised the level of the degree of oil refining to almost 90%
            3) They began to utilize associated gas not by burning, but into polymers ...
            you can continue ... bully
            1. blackice
              blackice 9 September 2020 04: 38 New
              -1
              Increased the number of people living below the poverty line
              Brought the middle class with a salary of 17000 rubles
              Provided themselves with food from China.
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: blackice
                Increased the number of people living below the poverty line

                Seriously? the minimum salary in the USSR was 70 rubles ... now it is 7000, and in the Russian Federation the minimum salary is higher ...
                Quote: blackice
                Provided themselves with food from China.

                are you delirious? bully It is the Russian Federation that supplies grain and meat to the PRC ... bully
                1. blackice
                  blackice 10 September 2020 02: 39 New
                  -2
                  the minimum salary in the USSR was 70 rubles ... now it is 7000, and in the Russian Federation the minimum salary is higher ...

                  Yeah? What is this arithmetic?
                  Based on this arithmetic, that meat should cost 220 rubles, now more than 450, bread 22 rubles, now more than 35, gasoline 13 rubles and now at least 46.
                  Let's compare pisyuny from different times?
                  We had a communal apartment then, for a kopeck piece, it was about 4 rubles, the apartment itself was free, the light was 2 kopecks, etc.
                  It is the Russian Federation that supplies grain and meat to the PRC.

                  Yes it is necessary !!!!
                  I live 200 km from China.
                  Products to Russia pass through all Chinese wholesale markets.
                  Watching this nonsense with jelly TV
                  Before you get thrown into a puddle, think to what level of IQ it will pull.
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 10 September 2020 20: 28 New
                    -1
                    Quote: blackice
                    Based on this arithmetic, that meat should cost 220 rubles, now more than 450, bread 22 rubles, now more than 35, gasoline 13 rubles and now at least 46.

                    1) if it's not a secret - did you buy meat at 2-20 in the USSR? I'm not, but now for 200 you can buy pork and chilled
                    2) 92 gasoline cost 20 kopecks
                    3) sugar was 84 kopecks, and now 50 rubles refined request
                    4) the chicken was 2-60, and now less than 200 and chilled ...
                    5) vodka 4-20, now 260
                    still want? bully

                    Quote: blackice
                    The communal apartment was then about 4 rubles for a kopeck piece.

                    I have a one-room apartment for about 10 rubles - did they survive then? bully
                    Quote: blackice
                    Before you get thrown into a puddle, think to what level of IQ it will pull.

                    that you are stupid and demagogic noticeably bully
                    1. blackice
                      blackice 11 September 2020 07: 29 New
                      0
                      1) if it's not a secret - did you buy meat at 2-20 in the USSR? I'm not, but now for 200 you can buy pork and chilled
                      2) 92 gasoline cost 20 kopecks
                      3) sugar was 84 kopecks, and now 50 rubles refined request
                      4) the chicken was 2-60, and now less than 200 and chilled ...
                      5) vodka 4-20, now 260
                      still want? bully

                      Come to Primorsky Krai.
                      We will search together for a chicken for 200 rubles and meat for 200.
                      But you see the most important argument for you is the cheapness of vodka compared to the cost in the USSR.
                      I have a one-room apartment for about 10 rubles - did they survive then?

                      Primorsky Krai, Bolshoy Kamen town
                      that you are stupid and demagogic noticeably

                      Well, you just the world + door + ball in English.
                      What does the most real
                      1. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 11 September 2020 12: 53 New
                        0
                        Quote: blackice
                        Come to Primorsky Krai.

                        what for? I feel good in the Urals, before that I lived in Siberia ... bully
                        Quote: blackice
                        We will search together for a chicken for 200 rubles and meat for 200.

                        why go?
                        https://www.farpost.ru/vladivostok/food/other/mjaso-pticy-brojler-tushka-1-sort-gost-ravis-ind-up-62319151.html Владик - целые тушки 135р/кг
                        chicken legs - 135 r / kg
                        https://www.farpost.ru/vladivostok/food/other/okorochka-okoroka-kurinye-brazilija-1-15-kg-63089892.html
                        enough? don't know how to use search engines? bully
                        Quote: blackice
                        But you see the most important argument for you is the cheapness of vodka compared to the cost in the USSR.

                        as you are predictable - specially brought, tk. expected ...
                        if you are stuck these are your problems - normal people use! Now you can buy normal drinks for quite reasonable money - for example, I prefer dry red from Fanagoria and Wines of Kuban - for shares of 220-270 rubles / bottle - not very bad ... hi
                        However, we talked about prices - a coefficient of 100 is quite reasonable for all groups of goods ... request although some have become more expensive - travel, services, etc., but some are much cheaper - clothes, appliances, groceries, while you buy in a store, and not from under the floor or at a flea market ...

                        Quote: blackice
                        Primorsky Krai, Bolshoy Kamen town

                        Sverdlovsk ... did you consider radio, water, light, elevator? or purely per square meter?
                        Quote: blackice
                        Well, you just the world + door + ball in English.

                        from your point of view - no more, and this confirms your lack of arguments - i.e. draining, as teenagers say .. hi
                      2. blackice
                        blackice 12 September 2020 02: 34 New
                        -2
                        why go?
                        https://www.farpost.ru/vladivostok/food/other/mjaso-pticy-brojler-tushka-1-sort-gost-ravis-ind-up-62319151.html Владик - целые тушки 135р/кг
                        chicken legs - 135 r / kg
                        https://www.farpost.ru/vladivostok/food/other/okorochka-okoroka-kurinye-brazilija-1-15-kg-63089892.html
                        enough? don't know how to use search engines? bully

                        How lovely!!! Manufacturer not specified (150% China)
                        And besides, will you master the wholesale batch?
                        Once again, for the "especially smart" ones, come and look in the stores together.
                        as you are predictable - specially brought, tk. expected ...
                        if you are stuck, these are your problems - normal people use! Now you can buy normal drinks for quite reasonable money - for example, I prefer dry red from Fanagoria and Wines of Kuban - for shares of 220-270 rubles / bottle - not very bad ... hi
                        However, we talked about prices - a coefficient of 100 is quite reasonable for all groups of goods ... request although some have become more expensive - travel, services, etc., but some are much cheaper - clothes, appliances, groceries, while you buy in a store, and not from under the floor or in the flea market ...

                        Remind me of what we were talking about initially?
                        If you are comparing something, then compare prices. And then you agree with the prices, but they did not bother to compare the purchasing power of the ruble, to compare.
                        from your point of view - no more, and this confirms that you have no arguments - i.e. plums, as teenagers say.

                        That is, if you do not consider the arguments given to you as arguments, then you can consider yourself a winner?
                        Great logic!
                        Sitting in your city to judge the whole country and consider yourself a damn smart!
                        How is it in the Kremlin!
                      3. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 12 September 2020 14: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: blackice
                        And besides, will you master the wholesale batch?

                        you are ridiculous in your stupidity! bully "Broiler chicken carcass 1st grade GOST" RAVIS "individual packing 1 box - 12-15 kg. Sale from 1 place. "
                        Quote: blackice
                        let's look in stores together.

                        I do not communicate in real life with people like you - I dissect them on the Web hi
                        Quote: blackice
                        to compare as it did not bother.

                        sorry you don't understand what is written ... request
                        Quote: blackice
                        which are given to you, by arguments,

                        these are not arguments, but the whining of the offended in life ... bully
                        Quote: blackice
                        Sitting in my city

                        my city is the 3rd in Russia - the stronghold of the State ... according to your beloved IVS ... bully
                        Quote: blackice
                        How is it in the Kremlin!

                        I have my own relationship with the Kremlin, but traitors like you cause only contempt! hi Let's go flood - good luck, they will pour ... bully
                      4. blackice
                        blackice 17 September 2020 09: 37 New
                        -1
                        you are ridiculous in your stupidity! bully "Broiler chicken carcass 1st grade GOST" RAVIS "individual packing 1 box - 12-15 kg. Sale from 1 place."

                        How then did you miss what is the production of China, not?
                        One place. Hmmm. Okay, you know what one place in the TC is?
                        I do not communicate in real life with people like you - I dissect them on the Web

                        Yes, of course!!! Who would doubt that!!! Sofa Analyst !!!
                        these are not arguments, but the whine of the offended in life ..

                        Your boyfriend is offended in life. wink
                        my city is the 3rd in Russia - the stronghold of the State ... according to your beloved IVS ...

                        Mind Chamber !!! Read about the city again, smart girl. Taking phrases out of context, isn't that the Kremlin's way? For one thing at once and to this I received an answer, just crumbled.
                        I have my own relationship with the Kremlin, but traitors like you cause only contempt!
                        The flood has gone - good luck, they will flood ..
                      5. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 17 September 2020 11: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: blackice
                        How then did you miss what is the production of China, not?

                        do you need meat? or for 135 rubles you want a pair farm? bully
                        Quote: blackice
                        Okay, you know what one place in the TC is?

                        Quote: DrEng527
                        1 box - 12-15 kg.

                        learn to read ...
                        Quote: blackice
                        Yes, of course!!! Who would doubt that!!! Sofa Analyst !!!

                        indulge in self-deception ... hi
                        Quote: blackice
                        Your boyfriend is offended in life.

                        you don't even understand how much you said about yourself - this is a common problem for stupid people ... bully
                        Quote: blackice
                        e in the Kremlin? For one thing at once and to this I received an answer, just crumbled.

                        hmm, the less mind, the more conceit ... bully exactly from bulk
                        hi
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 September 2020 22: 47 New
        +2
        RF supplies food to China.
        1. blackice
          blackice 10 September 2020 02: 58 New
          -1
          Seriously?
          Come to the Primorsky Territory, to the wholesale markets (Ussuriisk and Vladivostok), see who supplies what to whom.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 September 2020 17: 51 New
    +3
    And he lost
    .... So naturally, the baby contacted the devils ... smile I defended two rounds, the third could not stand it ... I didn't have enough strength ..
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 18: 52 New
      +4
      So now a new round begins. And we are not asked whether we want to accept it, and whether we have the strength. They'll just impose it on us and that's it.
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 39 New
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        ... They will simply impose it on us and that's it.

        So what? is this a reason to whine? just our turn came to stand and hold the country, like grandfathers, great-grandfathers ... bully
        1. timokhin-aa
          9 September 2020 12: 50 New
          0
          But for this, the holder must grow! But this is not! Look at the possessed in the comments. Do you and this contingent want to stop the new world order?
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 9 September 2020 14: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Do you and this contingent want to stop the new world order?

            But has it ever been different? people are always sinful and weak ... you just need a leader and an idea ... there is an idea, there will be a leader ... by the way - there are not only supermen on the other side either ... request
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 7 September 2020 15: 19 New
    +7
    That's right .......
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 September 2020 15: 21 New
    +2
    This is not an idle question, but, unfortunately, hordes of "leavened patriots" interfere with the discussion of this topic.
    foolSo far, only hordes of undercut liberals are visible. angry
    1. rich
      rich 7 September 2020 15: 41 New
      +4
      hordes of undercut liberals. angry

      Calling for the massacre of the Liberals?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 8 September 2020 04: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Rich
        hordes of undercut liberals. angry

        Calling for the massacre of the Liberals?

        fool fool fool
        1. Your beloved prof. Preobrazhensky called for the "undercut landlords" to be cut? fool fool fool
        2. Have you seen the bodies of the innocently slaughtered Svanidze and Gozmanov? So do I. Alas, only intensive watering, these Thistles. request
    2. Feliks m
      Feliks m 7 September 2020 16: 11 New
      +5
      It is necessary to return to the proven means of socialism. Without war, no one will give up the means of production. What to do, blood and sweat again?
      1. timokhin-aa
        7 September 2020 16: 16 New
        -7
        Socialism has already been tried and lost.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 7 September 2020 17: 53 New
          +1
          It is possible to live well under capitalism if the country's leadership is smart and cares about the people:
          Top 10 countries in the world GDP (PPP) per capita 2019:
          Qatar - $ 132
          Macau - $ 114
          Luxembourg - $ 108
          Singapore - $ 103
          Ireland - $ 83
          Brunei - $ 80
          Norway - $ 76
          United Arab Emirates - 69 435 $
          Kuwait - $ 66
          Switzerland - $ 66
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            76 684 $

            bus ticket 4 euros ... bully
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 9 September 2020 22: 51 New
            +1
            All countries are small in terms of population. Macau is not a country, but a special region of the PRC.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 54 New
          10
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Socialism has already been tried, lost

          strongly disagree. Socialism was winning. until about 1970 and was popular all over the world. Only then there were no computers and video control of production. There were no CNC machines. etc...
          The Second World War was won only by socialism. The leadership has lost, living its own life and not developing, in theoretical terms. Socialism in Russia is an idea that united the country after the revolution, and in the 80s, due to the lack of imagination at the top in this country, a hidden bourgeoisie began to appear, sitting on the distribution of public goods and luxury. The theory was taken as the basis of the state structure. And it was forgotten ... Because without development, any theory turns into Dogma.
          now socialism has every chance of winning. because the computer network will not allow excesses in planning
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 9 September 2020 12: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Only then there were no computers

            nonsense ... were ...
            Quote: aybolyt678
            and video control of production.

            second nonsense - there were ... just look at the movie Fantomas - there is this bully
            Quote: aybolyt678
            The Second World War was won only by socialism.

            third nonsense - WWII was led only by the USSR, and the rest were WW2 request
            Quote: aybolyt678
            now socialism has every chance of winning. because the computer network will not allow excesses in planning

            another delirium ... planning must anticipate the needs of humanity - and this is not possible - there are many influencing factors - from weather to fashion, so planning is a means, not an end in itself ...
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 9 September 2020 14: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: DrEng527
              nonsense ... were.

              available only to institutions laughing
              Quote: DrEng527
              second nonsense - there were ... just look at the movie Fantomas

              were in the cinema too smile
              Quote: DrEng527
              third nonsense - WWII was led only by the USSR

              about this and speech what
              Quote: DrEng527
              yet another delirium ... planning must anticipate the needs of humanity

              in our time, needs are formed, advertising, guessed by search engines, offered by managers ...
              as a doctor I will tell you one truth - every psycho considers himself normal, a normal person doubts himself, ++ Best wishes, Aibolit
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 8 September 2020 04: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Socialism has already been tried and lost.

          fool Who tried it? World community? So dear, this is her problem, and we are still harnessing ... request But when we rush, all the trash from the carousel will fall.
          1. timokhin-aa
            8 September 2020 08: 54 New
            -3
            I repeat once again - such an experiment has already been set up and failed. It is customary in our country to diagnose "schizophrenia" to a person who over and over again repeats previously failed actions with firm confidence that now it will definitely turn out in our country, it is customary to diagnose "schizophrenia" and keep him on a medical record.

            Where are you pushing us? The collapse of the USSR was not caught in its own skin or what? Do you want it again, only with finishing?
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 8 September 2020 09: 04 New
              +5
              I repeat once again, for the gifted, the experiment did not fail. Stalin built a country with the second largest economy in the world. And rulers-traitors destroyed it.
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              It is customary in our country to diagnose "schizophrenia" to a person who over and over again repeats previously failed actions with firm confidence that now it will definitely turn out in our country, it is customary to diagnose "schizophrenia" and keep him on a medical record.
              You are my friend boor angry and even a sharpie, you distort the facts and lie shamelessly. or, for sure, they didn't go to school and don't know the history of the Motherland or don't want to know. request
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 41 New
                -3
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                the country with the second largest economy in the world.

                therefore the people were starving ... request
                1. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 8 September 2020 17: 21 New
                  +1
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  therefore the people were starving ...

                  belay Were you starving? Poor fellow, at school we collected 1 ruble each to help Vietnam, blacks to Africa, what we didn't say, we would have chipped in to you. request
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 8 September 2020 17: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    Were you starving?

                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    Stalin built a country with the second largest economy in the world.

                    1) I did not live at the IVS, however, at the time that I remember well, since 1975. - groceries in stores had a meager choice, for example, there was no meat - this is Siberia, a city for 450 tons request
                    2) your banter is not appropriate - in the IVS, up to 32 million died of hunger at 33-7, in 1948 about 1,5 million more.
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    Poor fellow, at school we collected 1 ruble to help Vietnam,

                    We collected parcels from stationery, so what? Note that the ruble was not convective ...
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    what they didn’t say would have chipped in to you.

                    There was no Internet - is the answer available to your intellect? bully
              2. timokhin-aa
                9 September 2020 12: 51 New
                -1
                I remember the USSR, do you?
  • set of sets
    set of sets 7 September 2020 15: 31 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, the author does not understand the role of Russia. The role is that without us the world will self-destruct. The role of Russia is to contain the aggression of this world. Of course, we are not perfect, but without us the apocalypse will come very quickly.

    And I disagree with the author about culture. If you take Russia and the whole world and compare who is more. ,, cultural, then probably the world will be cultural. ) But take any existing state and find so many great poets, writers, artists, scientists, etc. There is simply no such thing comparable to Russia.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 7 September 2020 15: 34 New
      16
      Quote: set of sets
      But take any existing state and find so many great poets, writers, artists, scientists, etc. There is simply no such thing comparable to Russia.

      This is past experience. Great experience .. But now what? Where are our scientists? Why don't their names rattle and there are no discoveries, where are poets, artists .. This system is not capable of giving birth to anything ..
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 7 September 2020 15: 40 New
      -1
      But take any existing state and find so many great poets, writers, artists, scientists, etc. There is simply no such thing comparable to Russia.
      Didn't you go to school? How did you learn to write, but did not have a chance to learn to read?
      1. set of sets
        set of sets 7 September 2020 15: 45 New
        +4
        Write specifically with what you disagree. I don't understand hints))
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 7 September 2020 15: 52 New
          -3
          Write specifically with what you disagree
          I have italicized you specifically, that you have an understanding of the problem, it is not difficult to guess.
          1. set of sets
            set of sets 7 September 2020 15: 54 New
            +3
            Hard. Write in what I'm wrong.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 7 September 2020 15: 59 New
              -3
              See my first comment. If it is not clear, you can not answer. It means not your level. Judging by the minuses that have appeared, you are not alone.
    3. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 15: 56 New
      +2
      The role is that without us the world will self-destruct. The role of Russia is to contain the aggression of this world. Of course, we are not perfect, but without us the apocalypse will come very quickly.


      The point is that we cannot forever be a wall on the path of the apocalypse, there are too many forces on the other side.

      But take any existing state and find so many great poets, writers, artists, scientists, etc. There is simply no such thing comparable to Russia.


      Is.

      But what does this have to do with it? Do you understand what you read?
      1. set of sets
        set of sets 7 September 2020 16: 15 New
        +1
        “The point is that we cannot forever be a wall on the path of the apocalypse, there are too many forces on the other side. ,,
        ,, God is not in power, but in truth ,,
        Have you heard this expression?

        And as for culture, he distorted a little, so as not to belittle the Great Culture of Russia.
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 16: 36 New
          +3
          ,, God is not in power, but in truth ,,
          Have you heard this expression?


          Evil may well be victorious for a while by killing a crowd of good people, which you, for example, will fall into.

          And as for culture, he distorted a little, so as not to belittle the Great Culture of Russia.


          I ask for a quote from the text belittling the culture of Russia.
          1. set of sets
            set of sets 7 September 2020 16: 55 New
            0
            “Evil may well be victorious for a while by killing a crowd of good people, into which you too will fall. ,,

            Evil is temporary, good is eternal. The death of the body is not terrible, the death of the soul is terrible.

            ,, I ask for a quote from the text, belittling the culture of Russia. ,,

            The whole article belittles the culture and everything that Russia lives on. Thinking of a world without Russia is like betraying Russia. You liberals do not understand this.
            1. timokhin-aa
              7 September 2020 17: 12 New
              +6
              Overseas, they are planning a world without Russia, and with a contingent like you they will succeed.
              And your Wishlist is on their side.
              1. set of sets
                set of sets 7 September 2020 17: 26 New
                0
                One wise man said: “God rules the world”.

                So who and what is plotting there is not that important. They are only mortal people. And their life, like any other person, is in the hands of God.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 17 New
                  +5
                  Quote: set of sets
                  One wise man said: ,, God rules the world,

                  sage name? in fact, another said that GOD rules in heaven and here someone else rules laughing
              2. set of sets
                set of sets 7 September 2020 17: 46 New
                0
                And people like you have already betrayed Russia. And people like me will just stand to death.
                1. timokhin-aa
                  7 September 2020 18: 53 New
                  0
                  But how to "stand"? After all, this requires a brain!
                  1. set of sets
                    set of sets 7 September 2020 19: 49 New
                    0
                    Animals also have brains. The mind is needed. These are two different things.
                    1. timokhin-aa
                      8 September 2020 08: 51 New
                      +1
                      Well, yes, the mind is needed. But here you can ask a question - does it happen that there is a normal and developed human brain, but there is no mind in it from the word "in general"?
                      That's why the brain.
                      It will not be possible to "stand" with you.
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 8 September 2020 16: 41 New
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        oh we cannot forever be a wall on the path of the apocalypse

        it looks like you don't believe in God ... repeat
  • bar
    bar 7 September 2020 15: 34 New
    +5
    : in the long term, our country, language, cultures of those who inhabit it, and yes - the capital of those who own them - are doomed.

    Kapets. I could not read further, bitter tears flooded my eyes. sad
    I propose to organize for the subscribers of the "topvar" mailing of sets of rope and a bar of soap at a discount ...
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 15: 56 New
      -3
      Kapets. I could not read further, bitter tears flooded my eyes.


      Then why are you commenting?
      1. bar
        bar 7 September 2020 20: 40 New
        +1
        Then why are you commenting?

        But why do you also write? recourse
        1. timokhin-aa
          8 September 2020 08: 49 New
          0
          I am writing for those who read.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 September 2020 15: 36 New
    12
    M-d ...
    What would the world be like if such a miracle happened, if, like in that old Ukrainian joke, all Muscovites flew into space? An unbiased view shows that such a world would be much more stable than it is now.

    In fact, this alone is a global systemic error in reasoning; further, alas, you may not continue reading. I still read it ... with horror :)
    Alexander, let's better talk about the fleet :))))
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 17 New
      0
      And what is the system error? What would be the source of instability in a large American concentration camp?
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 September 2020 17: 05 New
        +9
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        And what is the system error?

        Alexander, if you don't understand this, I can hardly explain it in two words. But to put it quite simply and briefly - removing one wheel from a two-wheeled bicycle, you will not get a more stable system than it was. The unipolar world is a priori unstable, which we had "pleasure" to observe in recent years.
        Anyway ... So you took and cut out the Russian Federation from the world map. And thus they plunged Europe into a severe energy crisis - how will they get out of it? If you cut out the Russians, but leave the territory - this is a war for resources ... In general, there will be such vicissitudes that the remnants of my hair stand on end (and not only on my head) - and you are talking about some kind of stability ...
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 18: 57 New
          -1
          But if quite simply and briefly - removing one wheel from a two-wheeled bicycle


          This is a fundamentally wrong analogy.

          The unipolar world is a priori unstable, which we had "pleasure" to observe in recent years.


          It was simply not completed. The instability that you saw on TV after Desert Storm and to this day is an unsuccessful "cleanup" and nothing more. Yes, they did not have time and now the world is becoming multipolar, which we see in the same Syria. But they won't calm down in the long run.

          If you cut out the Russians, but leave the territory, this is a war for resources ...


          With whom? She will not be with anyone! This is the point.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 September 2020 09: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            This is a fundamentally wrong analogy.

            Very faithful. Only a multipolar world can be stable, a unipolar world cannot, just as a one-party political system cannot be stable.
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            It was simply not completed.

            And it cannot be completed. Will fall apart faster
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            With whom? She will not be with anyone!

            If the Russians suddenly disappeared, and the territories remained, then the interests of Europe and China could well lead to war
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 September 2020 15: 41 New
    10
    After reading this work, I have a proposal from the VO administration. Since they recruited people with a claim to serious journalism, it would not be bad for the AUTHOR of the article, when publishing it, to defend his arguments and conclusions personally in the thread.
    And I'm not talking about the protection of Skomorokhov - I didn't like the comment - I deleted it. Namely, the facts, analysts defend their point of view.
    And then such nonsense is not possible to read without a mat and spitting.
    1. vladimmiroff
      vladimmiroff 7 September 2020 16: 17 New
      +4
      What makes you mate? The author gives not so much his own point of view, but analyzes the point of view of the West in relation to Russia, which you did not like. Very deep stuff. What's wrong?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 20 New
        0
        Quote: vladimmiroff
        What makes you mate? The author gives not so much his own point of view, but analyzes the point of view of the West in relation to Russia, which you did not like. Very deep stuff. What's wrong?

        All wrong. What is the article about? A philosophical treatise on the topic - what will happen if we do not exist as a country and a people, or maybe when we should raise our hands up and go to surrender? So what was the flow of many beeches written about?
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 16: 37 New
          +5
          So what was the flow of many beeches written about?


          About the nature of the West's hostility towards us - it is unavoidable and if nothing is done, we are finished.

          I'm even surprised that so many people have not mastered this simple message.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 September 2020 16: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            About the nature of the West's hostility towards us - it is unavoidable and if nothing is done, we are finished.

            Listen ... well, damn it, I'll just give you simple numbers. Over the past 1000 years, Russia has fought large and small wars for 650 years! And at the same time the Russians did not die out, Russia did not disappear, neither I nor you bend your back on the plantations of the American bourgeois.
            So what are we talking about, if only? There are so many words and beeches about this?
            1. timokhin-aa
              7 September 2020 17: 13 New
              0
              Russia has only once in history dealt with the united might of the West - in 1946-1991. Remind the result?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 21 New
                0
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Russia has only once in history dealt with the united might of the West - in 1946-1991. Remind the result?

                Russia twice dealt with the united West in 1914 and 1941. It was the socialist system that won the second time
                1. timokhin-aa
                  8 September 2020 08: 42 New
                  0
                  Where is the USSR now?
                  Whose side was the United States on in 1941?
                  And now?
                2. Rakovor
                  Rakovor 8 September 2020 09: 06 New
                  0
                  What year 1941, what nonsense. Whose side was the United States and all the might of the British Empire on? How long can you repeat this agitprop nonsense of the times of the USSR? And about the First World War in general epic fail. There, one coalition of powers fought with us against another coalition. Ours was immeasurably stronger.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 8 September 2020 10: 34 New
                    +1
                    thank you you made me rich
            2. Rakovor
              Rakovor 8 September 2020 09: 01 New
              -1
              Yes, calm down already, it was said, the article is not your level of intelligence.
          2. bar
            bar 7 September 2020 20: 37 New
            -1
            About the nature of the West's hostility towards us - it is unavoidable and if nothing is done, we are finished.
            I'm even surprised that so many people have not mastered this simple message.

            If, in your author's opinion, the nature of hostility unrecoverable, then what can be done? After all, no matter what is done, the fatal nature will not change. And what, then, is the "simple message" except to go and hang yourself?
            There have always been plenty of all-footers on this site, but here a even here a rarity. negative
            1. timokhin-aa
              8 September 2020 08: 44 New
              -2
              If, in your opinion, the nature of hostility is inevitable, then what can be done? After all, no matter what is done, the irreparable nature will not change.


              Well, think a little. Thinking is simple. You will succeed, do not hesitate.

              There have always been plenty of all-pervading people on this site, but this is a rarity even here.


              Reading and understanding what you read is easy. Of course, some have to make several attempts, but if you don't back down, you will definitely succeed.
              1. bar
                bar 8 September 2020 08: 53 New
                +3
                Alexander, why is this arrogant rudeness? "I also have a higher education, I can get nasty too" (c).
                Descend from the heights of authorial grandeur. Well, this literary experience of yours was not successful, it happens. Take note and draw conclusions for the future. And it is ugly to be rude to your readers. You are writing for us, aren't you?
                1. timokhin-aa
                  9 September 2020 12: 54 New
                  0
                  This is aggression in response to an attempt at irony, which is not entirely successful and appropriate with my TK. Don't take it personally, please.
      2. timokhin-aa
        8 September 2020 08: 47 New
        -2
        What makes you mate?


        Low level of intelligence. Low emotional stability. The content of the initial fragments of the text brought the person out of a stable mental state, and his already weak intellect failed.
        As a result, he saw in the article what was not in it, replacing its real content with a few words (not even sentences) that his nervous system was able to master.

        By the way, such people are our critical vulnerability. They are not suitable for anything, absolutely, and such a contingent a priori cannot win confrontations with such larvae of Satan as the Americans, he cannot even understand what is happening. But more on that in the sequel.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 September 2020 14: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Low level of intelligence.

          Oh, how offended Citizen Timokhin was that I quite correctly called his treatise THE BLUE MALE RAVE. And here's what's interesting ... a stupid person just takes offense at well-reasoned criticism. And a smart one will draw conclusions and try to understand. So I'm not the only one, judging by the comments, I think here that your excuse me work smacks of a diagnosis, but not sober reasoning of a sane person. And to you, even on the forehead, even on the forehead.
          Moreover, you do not agree with your point of view, in the thread you directly call, to put it mildly, stupid and narrow-minded. And you are Dartanyan.
          From here I, observing and reading your argumentation and answers, understand that there is no point in discussing with you, since there is no one with anyone. Sorry for being straightforward.
    2. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 18 New
      +4
      The author has been talking to you for an hour. In the Branch. You just don't understand what you see on the screen.
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 7 September 2020 15: 48 New
    +1
    The article is too long and too much jumping on different topics in general, so that it can be quickly understood, and not sit over quotes and extracts. Now, I have neither the time nor the desire to open my thick footcloth in an attempt to embrace the immense.

    I will write briefly:
    The once described hegemon was the Roman Empire. Very little time has passed by the standards of the universe, and what happened to this hegemon? And the culture that Rome was spreading was no weaker than the current Anglo-Saxon. But this did not lead to the disappearance of the Germans, the same Britons, Frenchmen and others. Yes, they got a lot of Roman culture, but it didn't swallow them up. And in fact, this is exactly what the article is about. It is impossible to defeat Russia militarily. As it was rightly said, we have a self-sufficient military-industrial complex, we are able to feed ourselves with food, provide energy, we have our own transport (you can laugh at Lada as much as you like, but if they try to bend like North Korea with transport, you will start praying at GAZ, Kamaz, Oise, etc. just because they are). The rest of the household consumer goods will always be gladly sold to us by China. The trade balance is in surplus even this year. $ 60 billion. All that remains is a cultural victory. As in the same game mentioned in the article Civilization.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 19 New
      +2
      Very little time has passed by the standards of the universe, and what happened to this hegemon? And the culture that Rome was spreading was no weaker than the current Anglo-Saxon. But this did not lead to the disappearance of the Germans, the same Britons, Frenchmen and others.


      And how many cultures did you know to disappear, at least approximately?
      1. Sergey Obraztsov
        Sergey Obraztsov 7 September 2020 16: 30 New
        +3
        Where to start? From the Gauls or the Etruscans? But both were subdued by force of arms and turned into slavery. The situation is poorly suited to the example of Russia.

        The main and only threat that I see (if you do not take into account yet another betrayal of the elites) is the loss of the war for the consciousness and values ​​of our youth and future generations. This is what the Anglo-Saxons are betting on, both in the countries of the former USSR and in Russia. That's what really scares me. For I do not see that our government and society is trying to oppose this. Oh yeah, apart from history. Here I agree. The Immortal Regiment was a brilliant idea.
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 16: 38 New
          -2
          But both were subdued by force of arms and turned into slavery. The situation is poorly suited to the example of Russia.


          Sit on the stove for another 20 years and you will see that no, not weak.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 30 New
          +6
          Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
          That's what really scares me. For I do not see that our government and society is trying to oppose this.

          The worst thing is that the ideology of consumerism imposed by advertising has become the ideology of modern society. The German fascists lost only because they did not carry ideas for other nations. But we, having the experience of Socialism in the trunk, completely ignore it and forget it.
          Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
          The Immortal Regiment was a brilliant idea.

          The victory in the War is the victory of the socialist order. There was no place for consumerism, oligarchs, villas on the Cote d'Azur for deputies. It was a feat of grandfathers for our sake, and we betrayed them ... Now, if we don't change our mind, everything will be as in Timokhin's article
    2. bar
      bar 7 September 2020 20: 51 New
      +4
      you can laugh at Lada as much as you want, but if they try to bend like North Korea ...

      In general, I agree, but I will insert my bent tricopeykas - you don't need to laugh at Lada, it is sinful to laugh at the deceased. It has been gone for a long time already, there is a Renault-Nissan branch, the owners of which are citizens of NATO member countries. And if a serious mess happens, this "full cycle" screwdriver assembly candle factory will simply be shut down due to the termination of the supply of foreign (also from NATO countries) components. And we also no longer have our own factories for their production, and "import substitution" will have to start from the level below the plinth. sad
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 September 2020 15: 50 New
    +7
    Sketch genre has been gaining momentum on the site for a long time. It is very convenient nowadays. There is no need to strain, it is enough just to scoop up more from the information collector and throw it higher.
    Since Timokhin is an erudite author, he left the banal themes of the eternal holivar between the bakers and the proletarians, and rose to the "civilizational" level, "condemning" Russian civilization. I think that the continuation with the methods of rescue will be no less interesting.
    For Timokhin, this is a test of the pen in the genre of a sketch.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 19 New
      0
      I think that the continuation with the methods of rescue will be no less interesting.


      Not that word laughing
      You'll like it.
      laughing laughing
    2. Liam
      Liam 7 September 2020 16: 28 New
      -2
      Timokhin is "erudite" more or less in the nautical theme. The rest is velo pietoso
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 September 2020 18: 14 New
        +3
        Let's not rush to conclusions, let's wait for the continuation.
        1. Liam
          Liam 7 September 2020 18: 33 New
          +2
          I'm not in a hurry. A compilation article of various fakes, sets of quotes (without reading the originals) and distortions in the style of Russian spring, dugin ... that's all. Somewhere below Avior has already found about the "hairy girl" allegedly kicked out of school). I am sure that if you search well, you will find the entire "original" somewhere in the Internet.
          The comments say much more about the true level of a person than "articles". I communicated with him on branches not related to the marine theme, a solid turbo-patriotic set. As with VLR, by the way.
          1. timokhin-aa
            7 September 2020 18: 59 New
            +1
            Compilation article from different fakes


            But you are not able to give an example of even one fake.

            sets of quotations (without reading the originals)


            What prevents you from reading the original, I give links. True, you need a minimum level of education in terms of foreign languages, at least the ability to use machine translation
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 7 September 2020 19: 07 New
              0
              Alexander, you didn't guess the right language. And with minimal education too.
            2. Liam
              Liam 7 September 2020 19: 17 New
              -2
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              But you are not able to give an example of even one fake.

              Share the original source about a girl kicked out of school because of her lush hair
              1. timokhin-aa
                7 September 2020 21: 47 New
                +1
                See the answer below. There is an even bolder example. Too lazy to search, I mentioned this case from memory.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 7 September 2020 21: 49 New
                  -1
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  Too lazy to look, from memory this case mentioned

                  The answer is not a boy, but a husband

                  Carefully scatter epithets
                  1. timokhin-aa
                    8 September 2020 08: 41 New
                    -1
                    Well, below I found the same case for you and gave a link. Has this changed something? Not.

                    And yes, your opinion about me is very valuable, it is impossible just laughing
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 8 September 2020 11: 37 New
                      -2
                      Quote: timokhin-aa
                      Has this changed anything?

                      Of course not. This case has nothing to do with racism. Fake is simply
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 7 September 2020 15: 51 New
    +1
    Yes, everything will be fine, Rome, too, at one time dominated, humiliated, killed ...
    The United States is full of its internal problems, let's wait and see in short.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 7 September 2020 18: 00 New
      +1
      It is true that all empires collapse, there are no eternal empires, therefore the Anglo-Saxon one will collapse, though I really want it to collapse during my lifetime, in order to see and enjoy.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 7 September 2020 15: 53 New
    +3
    A simple historical approach. 1. The Tatar-Mongols were stronger than Russia in 1227. 2. Poland was stronger than Russia in 1612. 3. Sweden was stronger than Russia in 1700. France and all of Europe were stronger than Russia in 4. 1812. Europe was stronger than Russia in 5. 1917. Germany and Europe were stronger than Russia in 5. AND...? And then the Russian Vanya dispersed all the candidates for world domination.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 20 New
      +2
      Yes, but the Russian Vanya CHANGED very much in order to achieve this. He was becoming a class higher.

      Can you see it now?
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 7 September 2020 16: 23 New
        -3
        The main thing is to get involved in a fight, and then we'll see. Napoleon Bonaparte.
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 16: 39 New
          +1
          Do you remember how Bonaparte finished? How did the borders of France change as a result of his actions?
          1. avia12005
            avia12005 7 September 2020 16: 51 New
            +1
            This does not mean that he was wrong in any particular place and time. If you believe you, the United States and others have already got involved in the battle against Russia. Where are the conclusions?
            1. timokhin-aa
              7 September 2020 19: 01 New
              +3
              This suggests that he was wrong IN GENERAL.

              If you are to believe, the United States and others have already got involved in the battle against Russia. Where are the conclusions?


              And so far they have made the following conclusion - if you really press hard on the Russians, then they will fall down - see the results of the Cold War.
              1. avia12005
                avia12005 7 September 2020 19: 38 New
                -1
                Yes you, my friend, alarmist ... just kidding, of course))) that's why I reminded about Napoleon. Let them get involved.
                1. timokhin-aa
                  7 September 2020 22: 01 New
                  +6
                  So already got involved. With a huge advantage in strength.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 32 New
            0
            any start ends well laughing
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 September 2020 16: 51 New
        +4
        Russian Vanya did not put other people above himself, he does not need their servility. We don't need anything else at all. Peaceful trade, tourism and the general rise of civilization would suit us perfectly. Therefore, we are not active, for the time being, we try to persuade, agree. But when they begin to put pressure on us, pour mud on us ... the Russians gather, rally and destroy the enemy. Yes, a lot of resources are wasted on this, which could have gone in a different direction. But ... if we have to, we will beat.
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 19: 02 New
          +2
          But when they begin to put pressure on us, pour mud on us ... the Russians gather, rally and destroy the enemy.


          What is happening now, is it already pressure or not yet?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 7 September 2020 19: 35 New
            +3
            Judging by the messages of the people of the United States to go far - already yes. But it's not the time to beat the muzzle yet.
            1. timokhin-aa
              7 September 2020 22: 02 New
              0
              And when will it be already? When will they start?
              1. bar
                bar 9 September 2020 16: 15 New
                0
                Are you suggesting to start hitting the muzzle first?
    2. Terrible
      Terrible GMO 7 September 2020 19: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: avia12005
      France and all of Europe were stronger than Russia in 1812.

      That's the whole thing. And the Spaniards fighting Napaleon. Both the British and the Germans. Doors, northerners, and Italians. That's all in a single burst. Only it is not clear why after all they entered Paris together and fought at Waterloo.

      Quote: avia12005
      Europe was stronger than Russia in 1917

      Did the Germans attack RI in unison with France and Britain?
      Quote: avia12005
      Germany and Europe were stronger than Russia in 1941.

      Yes, in principle, the same.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 7 September 2020 20: 52 New
        0
        And there were no Spaniards and Germans in Napoleon's army ??? And Murat was not the king of Naples? Where did the Entente land?
      2. Rakovor
        Rakovor 8 September 2020 09: 23 New
        0
        Yes, it is useless to explain to people who simply do not know history, but rely on propaganda clichés.
  • vladimmiroff
    vladimmiroff 7 September 2020 15: 57 New
    +1
    Excellent material, respect to the author. We look forward to continuing.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 7 September 2020 15: 58 New
    +2
    Did you understand correctly, will there be a continuation? smile Problems are indicated. On the way out of the situation, we are waiting in the second part. smile
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 September 2020 16: 09 New
    +7

    But at the same time, this scary world is absolutely stable: all the roles are assigned once and for all, the "players" have absolutely no opportunity to move to another level. This civilization, with all its ugliness, is energetically optimal, there is nothing superfluous in it.

    I fundamentally disagree with this. Such a world is not stable, it will live for several decades, and then it will decline. There is no one to develop technologies - no need, no one to build new machines - no need, etc., everything is distributed in advance and rigidly. No one will fly to any stars, everything will die in the decay of stagnation and gradual degradation. When there are no challenges, no development, and there is no one outside the planet who needs American exceptionalism.
    People who are not able to see others as equals will die from their own egocentrism. Thinking that they are exceptional, they act without morality and without suffering from guilt for their acts. Therefore, contracts cannot be overcome. You need to hit in the face and hard. Until their mentality changes and they understand that the United States is only one of many.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 7 September 2020 16: 18 New
      +2
      hi You wrote everything very well, except for the penultimate sentence, it is not substantiated. As you propose to beat in the face. hi
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 September 2020 16: 26 New
        +7
        Yes, that's the problem really. The most important question is who to start with? The Western countries are in an alliance and even not by military means can cause us a lot of trouble. and the military is a lot. If we exclude nuclear weapons, which will be launched only after the words "There will be no Russia, there will be no this world either," military operations will take place on at least two fronts. One will be extended in the west - all of Europe + US aid, the second in the Far East - the Japanese sleep and see their islands. And they are unlikely to be full of islands. We cannot unambiguously stretch two fronts. As well as a war with a dozen countries at the same time. And China is unlikely to help.
        So ... yes, you need to beat the face, but damn it is not clear to whom because everyone will not succeed at once.
    2. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 22 New
      +2
      Such a world is not stable, it will live for several decades, and then it will decline. There is no one to develop technologies - no need, no one to build new machines - no need, etc., everything is distributed in advance and rigidly.


      For several centuries it will be so, yes.

      No one will fly to any stars


      Resources will run out - they will fly. Phosphates, for example, may not be enough for this century, and without them all people will die out.
      So they will fly.
      The question is who will fly. And which of the eye sockets will sprout dandelions.

      That's all.

      People who are not able to see others as equals will die from their own egocentrism. Thinking that they are exceptional, they act without morality and without suffering from guilt for their acts. Therefore, contracts cannot be overcome. You need to hit in the face and hard.


      This is a continuation.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 7 September 2020 16: 30 New
        +2
        Resources will run out - they will fly. Phosphates, for example, may not be enough for this century, and without them all people will die out
        .... First, degradation, then extinction ... Degradation is already in full swing ...
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 September 2020 16: 36 New
        +5
        Resources will run out - they will fly. Phosphates, for example, may not be enough for this century, and without them all people will die out.

        There will be no new cars, the old ones will not support the increase in consumption (and the Anglo-Saxons' appetites will grow). They just won't take flights. In this case, tons of green papers will not help ... Rather, the flows of resources will be redistributed and someone else, but not the Anglo-Saxons, will die out. Will pull to the end. But even if they can create starships ... If they do not incinerate themselves with nuclear technologies ... They will follow in the footsteps of Europe 1400-xxxx ... colonies, export of resources, colonist uprisings, independence and all over again.
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 17: 16 New
          0
          They just won't take flights.


          Having all of humanity under the whip, they will stretch out. Alternatively, they can believe that they will be drawn out. But it doesn't make it any easier for us.
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The question is who will fly. And which of the eye sockets will sprout dandelions.

        modern people have lost the ability to see a generation or two ahead ... But this is greatness, isn't it?
  • gatamelata
    gatamelata 7 September 2020 16: 13 New
    -7
    The author has good tobacco (or maybe not tobacco).
    All are bad, and we are Dartanians.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 40 New
      +5
      Bolivar just doesn't want to carry two. Maybe they are bad, in fact, and not bad. Maybe they are better than us.
      It doesn't matter, we want to survive, at least we should.
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 7 September 2020 16: 23 New
    -1
    "... coupled with the general superiority of the West in strength (industry, technology, economy, culture, population - all together) ..."
    Author, what kind of nonsense are you talking about ?! What cultural superiority of the West in Russia are you writing about?
    The West, and especially (and first of all) its master from the United States, have long become a community of consumers of material, BUT NOT SPIRITUAL, values!
    Nations built on bloody trade are doomed to spiritually degrade.
    About such great ABS they said: "beggars".


    "The West is immeasurably stronger ..."
    WHEN was the West stronger (all the more - "incommensurable") of Russia? Only economically, after the beginning of the 90s - the collapse of the USSR.
    Because even in the presence of a drunken creature, Yeltsin, the West was afraid to loudly yell in our direction and tried to buy us with "Bush's legs", then inviting us into the "bright" future of capitalism.
    We, Russia, have always been stronger than the West and Asia, even when they jointly tried to stifle the young Soviet regime - the Entente got bogged down and fled from the battlefield.

    Rudyard Kipling wrote about us .... So what? For me, the words of "papa" Mowgli are not authority.
    And here is what Georges Clemenceau, one of the most famous European politicians of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, wrote about the United States: "America is the only country that has passed from the stage of barbarism directly to the stage of degeneration, bypassing the stage of civilization."

    And to the section of the article on the United States, I can only add: I have always said, I say and will continue to say - the American "Carthage" must be destroyed.
    (like this - without an exclamation mark - calm, sad and businesslike)

    CATEGORALLY disagree with the author when he proposes in the form of an exit "... literally break your mentality ..."!
    (who is not lazy - read the generally accepted interpretation of the term "mentality")
    Because having "broken" our mentality, we will cease to be RUSSIANS (Russians, Tatars, Chechens, ...) and will become like everyone else who, in the pursuit of ghostly Western "happiness", has already lost himself as a nation.
    Our mentality is the core around which a multicultural society has been and will be built.
    Therefore, the answer to all those who want to drive us into the western "stall" is the same: FUCK! BECAUSE - NOT FUCK!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Sibguest
      And to the section of the article on the United States, I can only add: I have always said, I say and will continue to say - the American "Carthage" must be destroyed.

      What will we build on the site of Carthage? a country of happiness? I doubt it, without socialism we are nothing! the same capitalists and traitors
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 7 September 2020 16: 26 New
    0
    And other Asians, dark-skinned and brown-eyed, must extract oil. They do not and cannot have either national space programs or nuclear reactors.


    The Saudis already have partially independent nuclear and space programs.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 41 New
      +2
      Only nuclear, and in its infancy.

      And in the US there are already supporters of trying to deal with the Saudis.
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 8 September 2020 01: 30 New
        +2
        There are such supporters.
        However, the space program of the Saudis, while in the form of development "on the table", is growing not from international cooperation but from the long-standing missile program of Saudi Arabia, which, since 1988, has missile bases and ballistic missiles produced independently of the United States. And they themselves never dared to launch astronauts and civil satellites. In fact, they only have to build their own missile plants for ballistic missiles and complete their nuclear program and the space program will be a "bonus" for them. And the main risk of the Saudis is that at first they did not build pre-production of their own radars, anti-ship, anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles - in order to gain time to become that very complex high-tech target for the aforementioned "supporters" who are not so attentive to these weapons.
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 7 September 2020 16: 26 New
    +1
    informative ...., old songs in a new way. But still there is truth in the material. Unfortunately, the problem is not so much in the hostile environment and not in the roguish elites closely affiliated with the hostile environment ... but in the citizens themselves and the absence of an alternative system of power and control. Russia needs communism, but not the Soviet model ... which is vulgarized to the point of impossibility, but in order not to draw the correct conclusions from it, at one time the organs and the party like them thoroughly substituted the state ... and now the current symbiosis of the nomenclature and enforcement is sabotaging the necessary steps and real threats .... the result is easily predictable.
    1. Antagonist
      Antagonist 7 September 2020 16: 34 New
      12
      Quote: Iskazi
      Russia needs communism

      Nobody has ever built communism. Socialism was built, but communism was not.
      Quote: Iskazi
      Russia needs communism, but not the Soviet one

      There are only a few examples of socialist countries. 1) Socialism of the USSR. 2) Socialism of the PRCwassat 3) Socialism of the DPRK. Well, you can also specify the socialism of the GDR as 4 points. There were no more socialisms. All the rest were building socialism in the image of the USSR.
      Quote: Iskazi
      at one time, the organs and the party like them thoroughly set the state up ... and now the current symbiosis of the nomenklatura and organs sabotages the necessary steps and real threats

      Socialism has nothing to do with it. This is the vertical of power. Then we should not talk about socialism of a particular type, but about the institution of power.
  • alien308
    alien308 7 September 2020 16: 28 New
    +2
    Hee-hee. A necessary systemic source of diversity and nontriviality. Without it, structural degradation, the triumph of debauchery and decay. The lack of alternatives leads to stagnation, loss of function and subsequent death. Rome: 300 years of the dead.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 42 New
      +3
      A necessary systemic source of diversity and nontriviality. Without it, structural degradation, the triumph of debauchery and decay.


      It is true that we are now this source, or rather, the catalyst. But they want to cut us out on this, because the "partners" do not need diversity, they want uniformity.
  • LeftPers
    LeftPers 7 September 2020 16: 30 New
    +1
    ".... 5. The balance of forces between the Russian Federation and those countries that are likely to participate in its elimination is such that it excludes the possibility of containing enemy pressure in the long term. And this is also unavoidable ....."
    Delirium and ignorance of history.
    "... 6. There is no way to avoid all this. And if the Russian Federation resists to the end, and in case of surrender, the result will be the same ...."
    Again, nonsense, you can always (in extreme cases) perish with this pack of jackals. As the president said: "Why is a world without Russia needed?"
    So, a summary: no matter how history develops, the United States and England will cease to exist unequivocally. Namely, they are the "fifth wheel", not Russia. The world will be cleaner without this rabble.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 16: 44 New
      +1
      Again, nonsense, you can always (in extreme cases) perish with this pack of jackals.


      It's about surviving.

      So, a summary: no matter how history develops, the United States and England will cease to exist unequivocally. Namely, they are the "fifth wheel", not Russia. The world will be cleaner without this rabble.


      You unconsciously, without resorting, so to speak, to reason, groped the contours of the solution to the issue.
      But this cannot happen ONE. No way.
      This can only be done.
      Moreover, with those similar premises that you did not like so much.
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 7 September 2020 16: 30 New
    -2
    If anything, we turn on the plan "B", - Yellowstone. And there are no "exceptional" ones.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 7 September 2020 16: 32 New
    +3
    Interesting point of view. Makes me think.
  • Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 7 September 2020 16: 37 New
    +1
    The task is simple, like Hitler's, the Russians in the cremation grounds. The question is when will they start ...
  • pavelpavel
    pavelpavel 7 September 2020 16: 41 New
    0
    How and what to resist? Liberal, globalist ideology is based on the tolerance of tlt demonstration or resistance to evil, violence and lawlessness. We have tolerance with the museum. Where to begin? With the publication of scientifically based job requirements for the head of the local and federal level.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 September 2020 16: 47 New
    +2
    Faith is a great thing !!!
    While the whole world rests on the belief that we cannot be erased quietly !!!
    We can slam the door, lastly, so that the whole world is in dust !!!
    On that stand!
    Although we must do this, that and much more !!! What everyone knows, but .... things are still there!
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 17: 17 New
      +1
      The USSR could have been even stronger, and where is he?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 September 2020 17: 30 New
        +2
        Where is he, the question has not yet been completely closed.
        But the question, WHY, is quite a stake for many, in the most inconvenient place.
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 19: 03 New
          +1
          No, the question is closed completely, forever. And now nothing can be changed. But at least we survived.
          Do you think the enemy will repeat this mistake again?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 September 2020 19: 35 New
            +1
            Do not say gop until all the rakes have not been removed from the road ... only this is the catch, this could NEVER be done, ANYONE!
            The old rake is such a thing, ETERNAL!
            Trample on them more than once or twice. And we and they!
    2. Memor
      Memor 7 September 2020 17: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      Faith is a great thing !!!
      While the whole world rests on the belief that we cannot be erased quietly !!!
      We can slam the door, lastly, so that the whole world is in dust !!!
      On that stand!

      Thank you Victor for the comment .. We are holding on to that, to all enemies for evil! We do not want war, we know what it is, but we will not kneel down either, this is even worse than war.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 September 2020 19: 36 New
        +2
        We will not do it for evil, for evil. We will do as we SHOULD!
        1. Memor
          Memor 7 September 2020 20: 07 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          We will not do it for evil, for evil. We will do as we SHOULD!

          Precisely Victor! Russia has a thorny and dangerous path, but we have such a historical mission .. Breaking ridges is exceptional .. Maybe this is why we exist as a state with a huge territory and resources .. And most importantly, with such a people who know how to concentrate and unite peoples in the face of a threat the world. hi
  • seacap
    seacap 7 September 2020 16: 58 New
    13
    Quote: NEXUS
    Why the West is already incommensurably stronger. Ale, Author! Or are we not at all friendly with history? In 41, all of Europe worked and fought against the USSR ... which one to the devil is "incommensurably stronger"?
    Admins IN, where are you looking, what are you publishing such nonsense of the blue mare ?!

    If we discard all your "hurray-urya, checkers bald" and think a little, even without being an expert, then in fact now not everything is rosy and even very sad. By the 41st, at the cost of incredible efforts and thanks to the talent and professionalism of the leadership, from 0 in less than 20 years, an industrial power, an effective bureaucratic apparatus for managing the state and the national economy, was created from the territory totally devastated by the 1st WW and the civil war. And most importantly, from the totally illiterate population of these territories, a single people was created, a socialist community of people educated and motivated for selfless labor and creative development, an academic science and a system of education and upbringing were created, etc. etc. All of this constituted a solid foundation and an inexhaustible strategic reserve, which made it possible to successfully defend against any military, political or economic aggression.
    And now to the current realities, they are not at all rosy. For the whole world we are traitors and miserable with our own hands, for "beads and mirrors", for a wretched degrading philistine, corrupt elite who wanted to monetize the power entrusted to them, betrayed and destroyed their country. They betrayed their allies and friends, surrendering them to the power of the enemy, as well as their wealth and their people. If during the Second World War they went on the attack "For the Motherland, For Stalin", then I doubt that now they will remember our guarantor. Personnel will be "knocked out" in a month of intensive bd (no need to amuse yourself, that there will be a blitzkrieg for a week), where is the production capacity for repair and production? China is already experiencing difficulties with the production of microelectronics, where else to get? The main thing is people, where there are reserves, I doubt very much that the majors and the garbage-beau monde, and who is simpler, will line up at the recruiting stations. And judging by the number of real estate and accounts on the warm overseas shores, their children with Oxfords and yels, the intellectual and professional level of our bureaucrats, especially the upper boyar class, I do not cherish any special hopes for their mobilization readiness, patriotism and desire to "lay their bones" for our immense for the good of the people, especially judging by the trump cards, the kulagins, etc.
    Incl. Doesn't it seem to you that everything is not so rosy in the "Danish kingdom", in terms of urya-urya? This is not yet touching on the concentration of everything and everything in one point of the country, in one metropolis, which facilitates many times the "solution of the Slavic" issue to 1-1 -x concentrated strikes. No, of course, the troops will fulfill their duty to the end, as has happened more than once (I myself was part of this family not so long ago), many famous and unknown heroes will appear, but not for long, and then what, there is nothing to do, according to the "precepts “Our helmsman will have to“ slam the door loudly. ”I would like to win, you know, or rather, not even give an attempt to think that you can wipe your feet and spit in the face of all the scum with impunity, which even the state does not dare to call the language. What can you do if there is no one to intercede for us, and we ourselves can no longer clearly and loudly answer.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 7 September 2020 16: 58 New
    -2
    Interesting article. I read it and slowly crawl to the cemetery, just take your time, otherwise you will crawl before Russia, which has fallen into oblivion. In fact, not everything is so dull and poor for Mother Russia. An example of this is the history of Russia, which teaches well those who want to learn, and does not teach those who are not interested in it. Basic principle: if you want to know the future, study the past. And the better you teach, the clearer the future is. In this regard, there are several remarks that the author did not like so much of the "sofa theorist".
    1. Throughout its history, Russia has always fought with the West. The struggle began in Byzantium with the split of Christianity into Orthodoxy and Catholicism in 1054. Catholics considered the Orthodox to be non-Christians, sectarians, schemniks, therefore during the Middle Ages Russia was constantly attacked from the west: Swedes, Germans, Poles. But Russia in the struggle with the West withstood and strengthened.
    2. Under Ivan III, the movement of Russia to the west and east began. But in the west, Russia was opposed by strong states and Russia was unable to expand to the borders that it considered its ancestral lands, captured, taken from it. Ivan III laid the foundation for the expansion of Rus, but could not complete it: he could not reach the Baltic Sea. The Hanseatic League, uniting the states that existed in the north of Europe and blocking the access of Rus to the Baltic, up to the ban on the purchase of goods from Rus, did not start up. But Russia got access to the sea through the north - Arkhangelsk. Hence, the most important for Russia of the northern territories.
    3. The strongest challenge for Russia was the time of turmoil, when Russia in general could disappear from the map of Europe as a state, could be absorbed by the Commonwealth. But Russia withstood, and not only withstood, but also began to develop, regaining its ancestral lands in the west and south under Peter the Great and Mother Catherine. But here Russia again faced the strongest opposition from the West: the Swedish war, the Crimean war with intervention. The West has constantly tried to isolate and destroy Russia throughout its existence.
    4. In the future, again the invasion of all of Europe to Russia - the Napoleonic wars, the Second World War. But even here Russia, and then the USSR, withstood, broke the back of the whole united Europe.
    So: throughout its history, Russia, Russia, the USSR, Russia led and is fighting for life and death with a united Europe. As the power of Russia and Europe grows, this struggle is intensifying.
    What now. With the collapse of the USSR, Russia lost part of its original territory and part of the Russian population - the basis of statehood. Russia has weakened. In this situation, Western predators again rushed to tear Russia apart. But the time has changed, and Russia was able to regain part of the power that the West has to reckon with. I would like to believe that this is not the end. Russia has always revived even in the most difficult times.
    Now Russia is again confronted by a consolidated west led by the Anglo-Saxons. History repeats itself, see the history of Russia in the 18-19th century. But Russia, by solving problems with governance, was partially able to solve them and reached a growth rate that exceeded the growth rate of the West. The First World War broke out, unleashed by the Anglo-Saxons and Germany. Russia, which did not complete the reforms, was subjected to the most severe test: the empire collapsed. But, thanks to the Bolsheviks, Russia was reborn already in the form of the USSR. And this revival was so great that the Union was able to crush the combined forces of all of Europe and Japan.
    What now. Russia, according to Alexander II, is concentrating. Yes, Russia is still weak. But it takes time to regain economic strength. Economic processes are extremely inertial. Therefore, the main task now is to gain time and prepare Russia for a leap forward. And the fact that this breakthrough should happen is beyond doubt. The whole history of Russia is convincing of this.
    Conclusion:
    Given the brief history of Russia, Russia has always fought with the West and has always emerged victorious from this struggle, even when the empire collapsed. Therefore, the conclusion that Russia should disappear from the map of Europe and the world is very pessimistic and does not coincide with the history of Russia.

    A special question about China. Not everything is so simple here either. But this is a separate topic that needs to be specially covered.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 17: 18 New
      0
      Given the brief history of Russia, Russia has always fought with the West and has always emerged victorious from this struggle, even when the empire collapsed. Therefore, the conclusion that Russia should disappear from the map of Europe and the world is very pessimistic and does not coincide with the history of Russia.


      The only time in history Russia was against the entire West in 1946-1991. Remember the results?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 7 September 2020 18: 07 New
        +3
        I will clarify from 1918 to 1991 ...
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 19: 04 New
          +2
          No, not at all. After the end of foreign intervention and the restoration of diplomatic relations with most countries in the 30s, the West did not press us at all.

          But after the Second World War, he united.
      2. Pravodel
        Pravodel 8 September 2020 15: 27 New
        0
        1. Let me clarify that Russia did not have strong allies since the reign of Khrushchev, when he fell out with China, and until 1991. There were situational allies, but there were probably no strong allies.
        But beyond that, Russia had no allies.
        - during the Russian-Turkish war, when the united west opposed Russia;
        - during the Napoleonic wars. Is it possible to consider Great Britain as an ally of Russia during Napoleon's invasion in 1812?
        Now the situation is somewhat better. Russia's situational ally is China, India.
        There are also enough diplomatic allies.
        So, in my opinion, the situation for Russia is by no means a dead end, and it may be ruined as the power of Kathai and India grows. But here a lot depends on our diplomacy.
        2. The end of the 80s and 1991, and generally cannot be taken into account, tk. at this time, due to the betrayal of the elites, the alliance collapsed. There could be no talk of any allies.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 7 September 2020 20: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: The Truth
      Therefore, the conclusion that Russia should disappear from the map of Europe and the world is very pessimistic and does not coincide with the history of Russia.

      Russia is the bearer of the idea of ​​human social value. It is customary for us to erect monuments to those who gave their lives for society, in the West those who gave their lives are paid money to their relatives. If we can revive the socialist idea and show its advantage, then History will begin again
    3. prodi
      prodi 8 September 2020 09: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: The Truth
      Russia has always revived even in the most difficult times.

      well, it has long been a "parable in the tongues" that Russia has never been ready for anything, but has always managed to wriggle out. Probably, we still have some kind of civilizational Mission, in a completely rational idea of ​​a unipolar world, otherwise we would have shared the fate of the American Indians long ago.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 7 September 2020 17: 05 New
    +1
    The author suggests not to resist, to put together our own coffins and die? To the delight of all the bastards on the planet, we are still doomed.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 19: 05 New
      +2
      No, this is only the first part.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 September 2020 17: 08 New
    0
    Was it sho?
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 7 September 2020 17: 09 New
    +7
    Wah!

    In general, it is natural that everyone crushes competitors.

    Invincible Armada (1 and 2), 100 Years War, England-Holland-France Wars, etc., etc.

    However, the main question is who will change and where?

    Vaughn, Endogan was declared a terrorist, and then C400 was sold to him. - has it already changed or not yet?

    Putin announced an underwaffle (which did not exist yet), and the Pentagon happily said thank you, and poured into Congress to demand money, money, money for new developments (and is already testing a number of underwaffle).
    -is already a change or not?

    And RUSAL, handed over to amers, just not to return it from offshore companies to Russia - is this new thinking or old?
  • Engineer
    Engineer 7 September 2020 17: 17 New
    +5
    The case when demagoguery drives graphomania.
    Everything according to Goebbels:
    1. Humanize and stigmatize the enemy:
    They always wanted to destroy us, they will never calm down, they bring only destruction, their ideology is the ideology of superiority, we are untermensch for them.
    2. We invent threats, like they want to destroy as much as they can not eat.
    3. Then a ritual cry should follow - let’s not let us unite. He will be announced in the sequel

    The simple realization that the disintegration and destruction of Russia leads to a multiple strengthening of China at the expense of the Far East and Siberia is probably not alien to the author. Therefore, the West does not benefit from the elimination of Russia, let alone the fate of its nuclear arsenal. But this does not fit into the wretched schemes proposed by the author, moreover, it contradicts them, therefore, silence.

    Our Russia is being reduced to the level of a third-rate power by a banal embargo on oil and gas and other minerals. All. If they want, they will destroy. If they didn’t destroy it, they don’t want to.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 19: 07 New
      +3
      3. Then a ritual cry should follow - let’s not let us unite. He will be announced in the sequel


      Not quite.

      that the disintegration and destruction of Russia leads to a multiple strengthening of China due to the Far East and Siberia


      How did you decide that China will get them? How did you decide that when and if this happens China will happen at all? We are talking about long-term trends.

      Our Russia is being reduced to the level of a third-rate power by a banal embargo on oil and gas and other minerals. All. If they want, they will destroy. If they didn’t destroy it, they don’t want to.


      This is the old, old wet dream of the liberals - an embargo on Russian oil. Technically unrealizable without a military blockade, if you are not aware.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 8 September 2020 17: 35 New
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        How did you decide that when and if this happens China will happen at all?


        And why did you decide that it will not be?
  • Avior
    Avior 7 September 2020 17: 21 New
    +2
    The same girl who was kicked out of class because of her hair.
    Only that was in England, not the USA, and this is a boy, not a girl.

    They make money on the boy - he has a page on Instagram, to which 270 thousand have subscribed - well, how can you cut him?
    1. Liam
      Liam 7 September 2020 17: 30 New
      -1
      Why are you so easy to break the compilation of fakes from Internet sweepers that the author so diligently collected
      1. timokhin-aa
        7 September 2020 19: 19 New
        +4
        He didn't break any fake, he screwed up like you. Citizen balabol, give me an example of a fake article, please.
        1. Liam
          Liam 7 September 2020 20: 08 New
          -4
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Citizen balabol

          A couple of years ago, in one of the states, an 11-year-old girl was kicked out of class for a fluffy hairstyle. And she is so by nature - like all blacks
          .

          I am waiting for a link to the original source
          1. timokhin-aa
            7 September 2020 22: 26 New
            +2
            Okay, you got it.
            Vanessa VanDyke said she was given one week to decide to whether cut her hair or leave Faith Christian Academy in Orlando, a school she's been going to since the third grade.


            With video. True, I forgot, she was then 12 years old, not 11.https: //www.clickorlando.com/news/2013/11/27/update-african-american-girl-wont-face-expulsion-over-natural- hair /

            I expect from you an apology for the accusations of fakes, citizen is cheap and balabol.
            1. Liam
              Liam 7 September 2020 22: 50 New
              -5
              ))) Keep these tricks for beginners and those who don't know. Translate the article here
              1. timokhin-aa
                8 September 2020 08: 37 New
                +3
                I am glad that I was not mistaken in you.
        2. Avior
          Avior 7 September 2020 20: 42 New
          +1
          Do you understand exactly the meaning of the word fake?
          A Google search found exactly this case.
          And there the situation is described exactly as yours. And there were described a bunch of cases all over the world with the hairstyles of children that do not fall under school standards, including in Russia. I remember that in the USSR the head teacher somehow drove me to a hairdresser's, although I had long natural Russian hair, and she illegally demanded a shorter one. You see, when a problem arose with the States, the right to hairstyle was immediately defended by laws and courts, it's a pity, I didn’t think to sue our head teacher in a Soviet court. smile it turns out that Russians were persecuted in the USSR ...
          By the way, you could not find your case either.
          Probably, you need to give a little more information in the article, and links to facts, if you take comments so painfully.
          And about the fact that not only racism happens not only in the States, but also anti-Semitism, and other cases of xenophobia, did you know before or did you recently find out? However, you only wrote about the States. This is impossible in Russia, do you think?
          Oh well....
    2. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 19: 18 New
      +2
      In a truly monumental moment for the natural hair movement, New York is now the second state to ban race-based hairstyle discrimination. On July 12, Governor Andrew Cuomo signed the bill to prohibit race discrimination based on natural hair or hairstyles into law, making New York and California the only two states to have laws preventing hairstyle-based discrimination.


      Do you want to comment on this? 2019, the second state in the United States legally prohibits discrimination against blacks because of natural hairstyles.
      Specifically, I am too lazy to look for that case, but this one will do in my opinion.
      https://www.allure.com/story/new-york-natural-hair-discrimination-law
  • ont65
    ont65 7 September 2020 17: 25 New
    0
    Go crazy - why do we have to change to survive! From the dawn of time they knew one thing, if you want to live - keep your gunpowder dry, that's all the wisdom. Yes, the country is a great temptation for neighbors, neighbors and not so much, but this is not new either. Is there a strong enemy? - Power up his opponents. Now we are selling the most advanced systems so that even partners of the 'hegemon' can afford to have discussions with him. What do we do? - Are India, Iran, Iraq, Turkey brothers allies? Not at all. Why are so many buffer zones created? - All for the same. - Do not take a direct part in conflicts and control their development. As long as the helmsmen understand that they have no friends in the world, as there is nothing humanistic in the basis of Western civilization, everything will be the way.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 September 2020 19: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: ont65
      keep your gunpowder dry, that's all the wisdom.

      Now gunpowder alone is not enough. We also need supercomputers and nanotechnology ... There will be no "just way"!
      1. Storekeeper
        Storekeeper 8 September 2020 17: 13 New
        +1
        Vyacheslav Olegovich Do you agree with the author? I would like to hear your opinion on the essence of the article and not only on the number of characters.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 8 September 2020 17: 52 New
          +1
          Dear Pavel! Life is so complicated that "agree - disagree" is too simple an answer. Surface. Let's do it this way: I'll think about it and also answer this with an article. So far, I can only say that in my opinion, all talk about threats is a "divorce" for ... those who are so better subordinate to their own power. There are 4 rules for a tyrant, and one says: prepare for war or wage war, then the need for a sole ruler increases. And if I were a dictator ... I would have had a couple of H-bombs more powerful and that's it. And he offered the right people a bucket of diamonds, women, boys, thoroughbred horses (whatever). I would have inspired various messianic movements in "bad countries", would have supported separatists, globalists, mezmerists, sexists, whites against blacks and blacks against whites there ... And I would raise my salaries and develop medicine. Something like that...
          1. Storekeeper
            Storekeeper 9 September 2020 09: 21 New
            +1
            Thank! I will wait for the article.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 7 September 2020 17: 35 New
    +1
    I agree with the author in the part that they are trying to "remove" Russia from the map of the World as an independent state. But following the author's reasoning, they will further remove China, Iran and "trifles". In the countries I have listed, there are enough smart and perspicacious people in the leadership not to understand this. Therefore, I think that in the event of a real threat to Russia, military alliances will be created. But, I think, there will be no military confrontation due to the presence of nuclear weapons in Russia. They will try to destroy it through the sale of the elite and through fashion, the consciousness of which will be formed on the basis of "Western values". An ideological war will be fought ... IMHO
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 7 September 2020 18: 01 New
    -2
    The author is flattered! And in my opinion the fifth wheel in the cart is not Russia, but the United States. Remove them and the whole world will have peace and stability.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 19: 20 New
      +4
      Yes and no.
      That is, your direction of thinking is correct, but not everything is so simple.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 September 2020 18: 05 New
    +4
    One thing I did not understand in this article is how capitalist Russia confronts the capitalist world led by the United States. How can capitalist values ​​resist each other? Even V.I. Lenin wrote about tsarist Russia that it is the weak link of imperialism. They returned to this situation ... So everything is natural ...
    1. Rakovor
      Rakovor 8 September 2020 09: 43 New
      0
      Just as, for example, capitalist Britain opposed capitalist Germany or France, why is it incomprehensible?
  • Dizel200
    Dizel200 7 September 2020 18: 06 New
    +2
    Good analytics! Everything is very interesting and systematized (the same thoughts were spinning in my head))). Well, how to fix this problem? In the face of the Anglo-Saxons? It would be nice to develop a strategy (following the example of the West towards us) and gradually transfer them into the category of rubbish.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 September 2020 19: 00 New
    +1
    What are we "aware" of there? The "environment" exists, but it is far from hostile to everyone. It's time to cleanse all structures of "colleagues" who work not for the population of "This country", but for the USA, Britain, Germany, Ukraine ... and "various other Swedes." Otherwise it turns out that both the "environment" and the "insides" are all hostile. This knocks down the scope.
    1. timokhin-aa
      7 September 2020 19: 20 New
      +2
      The elimination of the fifth column is an unconditional vital necessity, here you are right, but I will leave this question outside the brackets for now.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 7 September 2020 19: 34 New
        +1
        Unanimity is the sure road to nowhere!
        1. iouris
          iouris 7 September 2020 20: 25 New
          +2
          You are about "white", and you are about "long". Like-mindedness and betrayal are from different spheres. The criteria for betrayal are very clear. Traitors during the war, at least, are interned.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 7 September 2020 20: 27 New
            +4
            Quote: iouris
            The criteria for betrayal are very clear. Traitors during the war, at least, are interned.

            Except for one case. If the traitors are victorious. Then they are good and everyone else is bad. So here, too, the criteria are blurred on a 50/50 basis. Lose is a traitor, won is the savior of the country, or even God! But a person who thinks differently than you can easily be accused of treason. Especially if there is a need for those in power.
            1. iouris
              iouris 8 September 2020 12: 52 New
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              criteria are blurred on a 50/50 basis

              The criteria are blurred for someone who has no principles. Such an individual is simply trying to survive in a turbulent environment. Talleyrand, who served everyone and betrayed everyone, formulated a method of survival: "To betray in time is to foresee." Such individuals, before declaring a similar topic and teaching others, must first reach the Talleyrand level, i.e. confirm your expert level. Otherwise, it is better to ask for advice.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 8 September 2020 15: 48 New
                0
                Quote: iouris
                Otherwise, it is better to ask for advice.

                Correct too. And about Talleyrand right. And why do many traitors remain as such and all curse them? Betrayed not when needed, not that, not so ... and a traitor is often synonymous!
      2. iouris
        iouris 7 September 2020 20: 26 New
        0
        Then all questions disappear. Finita la comedy.
        1. timokhin-aa
          7 September 2020 22: 06 New
          +4
          Well no.

          Well, imagine that we have killed all the traitors.
          So what?
          And nothing. New ones will grow, that's what.

          The problem must be solved radically. That does not negate the need to fight traitors, of course.
          1. iouris
            iouris 7 September 2020 23: 38 New
            0
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            The problem must be solved radically.

            The country in which only traitors grow up (I didn’t say that) must be closed.
            1. timokhin-aa
              8 September 2020 08: 36 New
              +3
              Well, this is not about Russia, we are not only traitors.
              1. Pamir
                Pamir 8 September 2020 22: 01 New
                0
                I don’t understand what the bile cheese of commentators is? Author, Alexander, why are we soaring? Traitors, they have always been, are and will be. Such is the history and petty essence of mankind. The question is, whose citizens they were, and in favor of whom they leaked information “If ours are in that direction, then the traitors, if theirs, then glory to our spetsure. Special, there is a spetsura, did not get caught. ... and to the other world. There are a lot of US citizens, and they have worked in our favor and will always work. And there have been, there are and will be, and there (in the USA) there are no less. Specials, there are special forces, that's what it is for , to search for such foreign amateurs to earn extra money. Then it’s counter-special, so that among our own, such lovers to earn extra money, fanatophiles of other people's underwear, to neutralize. There are a lot of US citizens for glory, and in our favor they have worked and will always work. These are everyday life and the work of special forces. . Sale of information has always been, is and will be.
                And the article, many did not understand what it was about. It is not necessary for everyone to chew in the mouth, to whom, to the realization, he will understand.
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 7 September 2020 19: 46 New
    +5
    A very interesting article: detailed conclusions and examples. Maybe not 100% agree with everything, but the message of the article is more than interesting !!!
    I'll copy it to my archive and give it to my enthusiastic friends to read
    It seems to me that the author has not fully revealed the conclusion: where, why and how to change our mentality !! Therefore, the people boiled))) There would be more such articles where the author gives multipolar research to the readers' judgment !!! good
  • nnz226
    nnz226 7 September 2020 20: 24 New
    -1
    And if you consider the situation in a mirror-like manner? Superfluous is the American civilization and Russia should crush the Merino and destroy their nation, through the same color revolutions and other "events", can you start from the outskirts of the brazen Saxon world? The Omsk nuclear submarine was not supposed to surface in Alaska, but 15 miles from Los Angeles, so that the merino was imbued with it. And one more thing: from 1933 to 1945 there was already a nation that considered itself superior to everyone, including the Merino ...
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 7 September 2020 20: 45 New
    0
    I read it. Thank you, Alexadr! Cool short-range noir futurology!
    1. Feliks m
      Feliks m 7 September 2020 22: 09 New
      0
      It's not as bad as the author writes. Let's compare, for example, Iran or North Korea. As they chew there, they can. Yes, and not such cracked Western enemies, wait and see how they squabble among themselves, and then you look and the allies show up.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 7 September 2020 22: 48 New
    +3
    ... for the Americans and, more broadly, the Anglo-Saxons, racism is a consequence of the fundamental inability to see an equal person in a "stranger". And, as a consequence, the impossibility of recognizing equal status for other cultures ...

    Here is one thing that is not clear to me, our powers that be, starting with the Tagged One and ending with the current Guarantor, were so naive and did not understand this when they hoped to integrate into the Western "civilization" on equal terms? Let me remind you that one of the last "hits" of the Russian authorities I remember was the global idea of ​​a united Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. What does this mean when introducing Western "values" into the institutions of power and administration of the Russian Federation, perhaps there is no need to explain? Or did our future "reformers" hate the Soviet system so much that they simply could not eat, so they wanted to destroy the USSR, and even realizing that they would never be on an equal footing with the "exceptional", they went to collapse in order to destroy the ideological enemy? If so, then the interview with Chubais on the plane sounds indicative. Just a question. What has changed, why does the official rhetoric suddenly change? After all, the same people and the same pro-Western ideology are at the helm.
    1. edmed
      edmed 8 September 2020 06: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Or did our future "reformers" hate the Soviet system so much that they simply could not eat, so they wanted to destroy the USSR, and even realizing that they would never be on an equal footing with the "exceptional", they went to collapse for the sake of destroying the ideological enemy? If so, then the interview with Chubais on the plane sounds indicative. Just a question. What has changed, why does the official rhetoric suddenly change? After all, at the helm are the same people and the same pro-Western

      I really wanted to sit down at the "King Arthur's table", on an equal footing, to rule everyone, but they were sent, now they prove that they "have the right" too.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 8 September 2020 08: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: edmed
        now prove that, and they "have the right"

        Well, well ... I remember even Nikolashka, equal in blood, was not received by his cousin George V after his abdication. These are the "high" relations in blue blood, and then what to say about the commoners who have seized power from the very bottom, and even with the help of the hated CPSU? lol Didn't they read history at all? If this is so, then in general, it takes a shock who "rules" us.
        1. edmed
          edmed 8 September 2020 10: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Didn't they read history at all? If this is so, then in general, it takes a shock who "rules" us.

          "The West is the West, the East is the East, and never when they do not converge" but the rams knock on the closed gate. They rule.
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 8 September 2020 15: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          If this is so, then in general, it takes a shock who "rules" us.

          As you well noticed it !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Logan
    Logan 7 September 2020 23: 29 New
    +3
    In the film "White Sun of the Desert" there is such an episode. The White Guard points a pistol at Sukhov and asks:
    - Do you like to finish off right away or want to torment yourself?
    And Sukhov answers him:
    - It’s better, of course, to suffer.

    Sukhov, too, seemed to have a hopeless situation and he had to die. But he didn't give up and ended up winning.
    So let us, too, will not surrender to the US threats to destroy Russia and will respond with the words of Comrade Sukhova: "it is better, of course, to suffer."

    And what will happen next, time will tell.
  • Hikaro
    Hikaro 7 September 2020 23: 56 New
    +5
    The article is very good and true in essence !!! I myself live in Latvia and I can say for sure about the sharp rejection and hostility towards Russia in the Baltic countries and not only !! Alas, in Europe, Russia and Russian culture are neither accepted nor understood! In NATO's military doctrine, the potential and main enemy is RUSSIA, and this is not hidden either. So the ring is narrowing and RUSSIA has little time to competently and clearly answer these challenges! We need a clear strategy for the development of the state, we need an ideology and a common unifying idea, and most importantly, we need at least 10-15 years of calm peacetime to develop industry and get off the oil needle, but alas, the West does not intend to wait any longer, and here I agree with the author alas, it looks like it will be!
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 8 September 2020 00: 53 New
    -7
    Absolutely enchanting nonsense. ))
    The West has never weakened its pressure on Russia, in all historical times. Basically, only the form of pressure changed. The author should urgently write out a bucket of haloperidol, in a compulsory form. )))
    1. timokhin-aa
      8 September 2020 08: 31 New
      0
      You are insane in my opinion. The article is just about that, that "never relaxed the pressure."

      You did not understand anything in what you read.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 8 September 2020 01: 12 New
    +6
    Interesting article. good
    And the sequel is even more interesting.
    The author's hint about ideology is clear and transparent.
    Only here is the author, let's be honest with ourselves at least, especially since you have an idea about weapons systems. wink
    Russia is now WEAK to beat with the first non-nuclear weapon. And such a blow will only lead to losses for Russia. And yes, the author, in which I absolutely agree with you, in order to remain Russian (by Russians I mean EVERYONE who THINKS in Russian) we need to radically change. Because in the current situation we ALREADY lost. Quite a little time will pass and we will simply DIE OUT.
    To my great chagrin, what is happening in the country now does not look like a change. To stagnation, degradation, collapse, yes.
    So with pleasure I read the sequel.
    Thank you!
    1. Rakovor
      Rakovor 8 September 2020 10: 07 New
      0
      I generally have associations with the last decades of the Byzantine Empire.
  • Sergey Pavlov
    Sergey Pavlov 8 September 2020 01: 38 New
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    I share the author's concern about the growing pressure from the West. As for methods of solving the problem of an exclusive nation, I will quote Putin in the video:

    We need to search for and identify the weaknesses of a potential adversary, use the revealed gaps in their own interests, in general, the motto divide et impera in hand and away we go)
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 8 September 2020 03: 47 New
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    Good article. Timely.

    Incidentally, Engdahl has a good book on this topic - "Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order".

    About totalitarian democracy. laughing
    1. timokhin-aa
      8 September 2020 08: 35 New
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      I haven't read the book, but the title is excellent.

      Engdahl, by the way, draws attention to such a thing as doublethink, which is the norm in the USA.

      When Americans say that, for example, democracy won in Ukraine, they do not mean that the power of the people appeared there, they mean that the United States won there.
      That is, in any speech of an American politician, in order to understand it correctly, just as the author understands it, it is necessary to put the word "American" before the word "democracy".

      Like "American democracy defeated the anti-American democratic regime." This will be true, oddly enough.

      They almost never talk about "just democracy".
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 8 September 2020 10: 27 New
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        Quote: timokhin-aa
        I haven't read the book, but the title is excellent.

        Recommend.

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Engdahl, by the way, draws attention to such a thing as doublethink, which is the norm in the USA.

        Of all the anti-globalists, he is generally the most savvy. Well, maybe Chossudovsky still ...

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        When Americans say that, for example, democracy won in Ukraine, they do not mean that the power of the people appeared there, they mean that the United States won there.

        That is, in any speech of an American politician, in order to understand it correctly, just as the author understands it, it is necessary to put the word "American" before the word "democracy".


        Like "American democracy defeated the anti-American democratic regime." This will be true, oddly enough.

        They almost never talk about "just democracy".

        Americans are ready to support dictators (Shah Pahlavi, Pinochet and the Saudis) or overthrow democratic governments (Mossadegh, Allende and Chavez), as long as it suits their interests. They don't care at all.

        And the worst thing is that they themselves do not see these contradictions. No matter how much you convict them of hypocrisy and double standards, it is almost impossible to be heard. Regardless of any arguments, they will remain absolutely confident in their correctness and infallibility. "Messianism" is generally the worst thing that can be. The cornerstone of any fascist ideology. Any crime is justified for the sake of a "higher purpose" ...
        1. timokhin-aa
          14 September 2020 16: 47 New
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          And the worst thing is that they themselves do not see these contradictions. No matter how much you convict them of hypocrisy and double standards, it is almost impossible to be heard.


          You just don't understand what they are saying. Democracy is America.
          To say "democracy won in Libya" from the American point of view means "the American democratic regime won in Libya." And it's true, there is no hypocrisy. There is a doublespeak.