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Old geographic maps raise questions for mainstream historical science

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One of the study methods stories is the analysis of ancient maps. Not all historians are inclined to trust this method, since there have been and remain questions about the very compilation of maps dating back to centuries ago. However, as a methodology option for historical analysis, geographical maps may be quite suitable.


Often, when studying the works of cartographers of the distant past, questions arise that cannot be answered on the basis of a generally accepted approach to history. For example, in a particular area, the history of which is considered to be quite well studied, there are marks that completely contradict this story. In this case, some experts follow a simple path, claiming a mistake made by the person who prepared the map. Others consider it their duty to understand: perhaps, in historical science, what was considered generally accepted should be reconsidered to a certain extent.

The video on the channel "Chairman of SNT" examines the maps of the pre-Petrine era. In particular, it is said that the city with the name Perm appeared in the pre-Petrine era, then existing under the name "Great Perm".

The author of the video is very radically disposed towards the generally accepted history of today. According to him, during the reign of Catherine II, who in the video is proposed to be called exclusively Sophia Augusta Frederica, total censorship was introduced up to rewriting ancient texts in a new way, changing the appearance of maps.

The author believes that there are many maps that prove that "the wrong history" is being studied in our country.

The video is for the judgment of our readers:

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  1. Kolin
    Kolin 4 September 2020 15: 19 New
    -8
    Are there Anunnaki with reptilians in the video?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 September 2020 16: 48 New
      +9
      Well, the Chairman is a pretty interesting person. One can treat with irony his theories - "Buried Russia", "Who actually built Petersburg and other cities", "Who actually fought Napoleon", "For what and who actually built fortresses and castles in Europe", "What is depicted on old maps", "Atomic War of 1800", "Clay Flood" and others. But personally, I myself have seen several times in St. Petersburg, during repair work in the city, how the first floors, which are under the surface of the earth, with mortgaged windows and doors, were dug up, that is, about any such "cultural layer" or "building draft" there is talk and his theory of "Russia buried in a clay flood" is not without foundation.
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      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 9 September 2020 11: 40 New
        +3
        Yes, you are right, the personality is interesting. Only about any of their alternatives there is NO related theory (albeit m different, from different alternatives), but only questions that are asked to us. And they pass it off as a worldwide sensation. I tried to argue with Ispeak, an empty number. He does not hear facts, arguments, but presses on emotions and is not even interested in the question. There is no systematization and no clear reasoning. A kindergartner is capable of this.
      3. Sertorius
        Sertorius 10 September 2020 03: 08 New
        +1
        in St. Petersburg, during repair work in the city, how the ground floors were excavated under the surface of the earth, with mortgaged and windows and doors, that is, there can be no talk of any such "cultural layer" or "draft of the building" and his theory of "buried the clay deluge of Russia "is not without reason.

        I saw something unusual - figure it out, see where else it is, discuss it with experts. But it's all so complicated! It's easier to start guessing and posting nonsense online right away. Welcome to Vladivostok.
        There are at least 3 buildings of the early 20th century, where the basement floors are below the level of the roadway with windows overlooking the retaining structures and a separate entrance to the basement! And how many buildings with the same solution were filled up to the level of the first floor (to widen roads, eliminate flooding after typhoons, etc.) - this should be discussed with local historians. Was there a clay flood in Vladivostok too ?!
      4. bayard
        bayard 14 September 2020 21: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Snail N9
        Well, the Chairman is a pretty interesting person.

        Quote: Snail N9
        Personally, I myself have seen several times in St. Petersburg, during repair work in the city, how the first floors, which are under the surface of the earth, were dug up with mortgaged windows and doors, that is, there can be no talk of any such "cultural layer" or "building draft" and his theory of "Russia buried in a clay flood" is not groundless.

        Yes, similar "anomalies" in most cities in Russia and the world. In my city (where I lived before) there are also a lot of buried floors, but the most interesting thing is that under a relatively small city, which has grown only since the 70s, there is also an "underground city", the area is, as it were, no larger than an overground city - underground galleries, halls, etc., all of red brick. At a depth of about 3 meters under a layer of clay, a layer of buried and compressed chernozem, when I first dug it out in my childhood, I thought anthracite coal was so shiny when I broke it with my fingers. And rubbed in the palms - black soil, with dried grass. And not so long ago it was.
        Go to YouTube channel "Whole-sight", watch the intro movie. It will be interesting . If you like it, look from the beginning, otherwise you will not understand.
        There are answers to everything.
        And everything is very easy to check.
        Normal practice and personal experience.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 4 September 2020 21: 41 New
      12
      But of course, be sure! Who, if not a reptilian, owned this "space" helmet? !!! You can't argue with science! laughing
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 8 September 2020 18: 22 New
      +2
      for advertising a topvo store, what does this chairman take from this?
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 9 September 2020 11: 24 New
      +1
      Reptilians one floor up.
      We got to ask questions about this, about this. There is no way to ask a question and examine it thoroughly and bring it to our court. But there are no further questions, which means provocation and profanation.
  2. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 4 September 2020 15: 25 New
    +9
    The author forgets that there were many researchers, and many gave their names to one or another geographic object. And over time, translations into other languages ​​turned out to be a complete mess. IMHO.
    And the author probably doesn't know that Troy was found ... Here is such a cartographer and historian.
    In general, watch and laugh as clever conclusions emerge from the void.
    1. RVAPatriot
      RVAPatriot 4 September 2020 15: 49 New
      0
      Maybe the minus sign will bring its arguments ??? Or play a dirty trick on the bushes?
    2. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 4 September 2020 17: 22 New
      +5
      Sorry what? Troy? This is the clever businessman and swindler Schliemann. You still write about the gold of Troy. First read about all his searches and get to know the life of this kakbe scientist
      1. RVAPatriot
        RVAPatriot 4 September 2020 18: 57 New
        +2
        I advise you to read about her excavations ... not articles ... Already 5 years in access ... Historians ...
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 13: 19 New
          +2
          Andrey Stepanenko
          History No More: The Greatest Historical Frauds. You will not regret it, an extremely curious book.
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 9 September 2020 09: 55 New
            +1
            The Greatest Historical Forgeries. You will not regret, extremely curious

            Read about D. Martin on the same topic. "song of Ice and Fire"
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 9 September 2020 11: 46 New
            +1
            History No More: The Greatest Historical Frauds. You will not regret it, an extremely curious book.
            Okay, the story is a forgery! But there is a systematization and coherence, confirmed by excavation and research. But your "real story" has nothing but emotion at the sight of a card. Do you know the story about Cinderella ?! I think you know. Check out the unadapted version. Horror movie! We must pay tribute to Charles Pierrot. So it is with your "history" Many things are simply not published, because there is so much cruelty, betrayal and hypocrisy that it will seem to you (and such is) continuous massacre and genocide. And then you "make discoveries" and claim that we are being deceived. Think about it.
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 11 September 2020 07: 23 New
              +1
              The book does not say that our whole history is a linden. The book is about how the chronology was adjusted "to the interests" and the history of mankind was "stretched"
              1. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka 14 September 2020 11: 50 New
                +1
                So this "Fomenkovism" is already old, as early as 20. To promote different figures under one name ?! And shorten the chronology. Hmm. My name is Alexander. I have the names Sasha, Iskander, Shura, Shurik. And all I am, one person! And under what name will I go down in history? Maybe not under one! And "pulling the ears" of the consonance of names is generally the level of a kindergarten. For example, Sasha - Natasha - Dasha - Glasha - Pasha-Masha. The simplest chain. And what is the conclusion from this? Use your brains, compare facts, not speculate. Before our eyes, they are trying to rewrite history in the West, right now. So what? Their "people hawala", and "ours" are not far behind. Although there are documents, witnesses are still alive! What can we say about 300-400 years ago. Only systematization and comparison based on the ACTUAL material of excavations.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 5 September 2020 17: 00 New
        +4
        In "Walking Beyond Three Seas" by Afanasy Nikitin (LS Semyonov "Travels of Afanasy Nikitin", "Science", 1980) it is said that he saw a lot of ruins at the site of the legendary Troy. It would have been easier for Schliemann if he knew this source too.
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 19: 39 New
          +1
          Yes, there is a big question what Schliemann found ..
      3. kalibr
        kalibr 7 September 2020 20: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: SARANCHA1976
        You still write about the gold of Troy.

        They wrote, Dmitry, and more than once. What's wrong with him? Are you not satisfied with the fact that it is on display in the Pushkin Museum or the data of the spectral analysis that was carried out there?
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 8 September 2020 07: 23 New
          +2
          There is a rather muddy history of both finding and origin.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 8 September 2020 09: 49 New
            -4
            It is cloudy for you, because you did not understand it. For a start, just try to visit the Pushkin Museum, then talk to its experts, then read about the excavations in Mycenae, on Crete ... and only then ... then a lot will become clear to you yourself.
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 8 September 2020 14: 42 New
              +2
              And if this specialist tells you that this gold was brought from Mars by reptilians, as I understand it, open your mouth, believe this specialist
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 8 September 2020 15: 38 New
                -4
                Quote: SARANCHA1976
                And if this specialist tells you that this gold was brought from Mars by reptilians, as I understand it, open your mouth, believe this specialist

                I've never been told that. All the specialists I know are very respected people. I know from myself what it means to write and defend a candidate's license, doctoral, and what happens to those who cannot confirm their attitudes with documents or artifacts. I know how they "rinse" in the pre-defenses - they "rinsed" themselves - I know how picky opponents are. This is all very far from you, so you believe all sorts of crooks. By the way, it is based on laziness. Knowledge is acquired through years and hard work. I would like to rather, but how? And like this, quickly read a couple of books, find inconsistencies and declare everything else invalid. How many years have you been dealing with the civilizations of the Bronze Age, including Troy?
                1. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 9 September 2020 09: 47 New
                  +2
                  How many years have you been dealing with the civilizations of the Bronze Age, including Troy? .. And you?
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 9 September 2020 12: 32 New
                    -1
                    Poor manner of answering a question with a question and not answering the essence of the question. But I will answer you. I have been working on this topic since 2000, that is, for 20 years. On VO was a series of my articles on the weapons of the Trojan War, a series of articles on the Bronze Age of Eurasia and America. Was in museums in Paris, Vienna, Venice, worked with many museums remotely, well, it is clear that in the State Historical Museum, Pushkin, the Hermitage. The book "Warriors of the Bronze Age" was written, which was accepted for publication by the Eksmo / Yauza publishing house. By the way, there was a cycle about the pyramids: "War, gold, pyramids". But for a long time. Now it's your turn to answer ...
              2. nickname7
                nickname7 9 September 2020 10: 14 New
                +3
                And if this specialist tells you that this gold was brought from Mars by reptilians, as I understand it, open your mouth, believe this specialist

                If freaks are true for you, don't project it onto everyone.
                With this comment you are demonstrating sheer ignorance. To become a specialist you need to get an education at an institute, use a scientific approach when writing articles (scientific papers), articles must be double-checked and confirmed by the scientific community. Something like this. Articles that do not use a scientific approach automatically go into the yellow zone of fantasy.
                gold brought from Mars by reptilians

                First, gold must be subjected to isotopic analysis to prove that it is from Mars.
                You also need a reptilian backbone to study to prove that they exist. These are methods of a scientific approach.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 9 September 2020 12: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: nickname7
                  First, gold must be subjected to isotopic analysis to prove that it is from Mars.
                  You also need a reptilian backbone to study to prove that they exist. These are methods of a scientific approach.

                  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
                  But understanding this is not available to everyone ...
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 9 September 2020 09: 53 New
      +1
      over time and translations into other languages, it turned out to be a complete mess

      This is absolutely true. The author presents this map as if he traveled in a time machine and mapped the area with the help of a drone.
      However, as a methodology option for historical analysis, geographical maps may be quite suitable.

      This is complete nonsense. It is necessary to use all the options, and not one, thus minimizing errors. Complete information about the past is lost, it was only partially preserved, these surviving fragments complement different methods, only in this way can you get the most reliable reconstruction of the lost past.
  3. Reviews
    Reviews 4 September 2020 15: 57 New
    +6
    Another veil ripper who read "There are dragons here" on the map? Nenuacho? It's not for nothing that when they wrote it, it means that there are dragons.
    1. thinker
      thinker 4 September 2020 16: 05 New
      -3
      good here is a detailed analysis of the "discoveries" of the Chairman of the SNT
      I involuntarily want to ask the question again: "Well, why are such" authors "allowed to publish something on the Internet?"

      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/lechish/izuchaia-staruiu-kartu-5f48be12b18fdd06e82b306b
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 4 September 2020 16: 59 New
        -5
        Quote: thinker
        good here is a detailed analysis of the "discoveries" of the Chairman of the SNT

        Smeared. In a very thin layer.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 4 September 2020 21: 44 New
      12
      Which is documented! "The Dragon's Dinner" is a painting by an unknown artist. smile

      The knight also did not believe the inscriptions on the cards, but most likely simply could not read.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 5 September 2020 07: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Which is documented! "The Dragon's Dinner" is a painting by an unknown artist. smile

        I suppose I drew from life.
  4. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 September 2020 15: 59 New
    -4
    History is not science at all.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 4 September 2020 16: 21 New
      +1
      Oh how! Unexpectedly!))) From this point of view, history is perhaps one of the few that is a real science, for it examines material evidence that has already taken place)))
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 4 September 2020 17: 02 New
        -3
        Quote: RUnnm
        Oh how! Suddenly!)))

        This is a long-standing, but still fashionable song of people who have not played enough of nihilism in childhood / adolescence. One of the most frisky subverters is the notorious Bushkov. And, like, an adult is already an uncle, under 60, I think ...
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 13: 12 New
          -2
          Why is it so categorical? One of the wonders of the world The Alexandria lighthouse was destroyed to the ground for about 1300 years according to various "trustworthy chronicles" exactly 10 times!
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 5 September 2020 13: 13 New
            -1
            Quote: SARANCHA1976
            Why is it so categorical? One of the wonders of the world The Alexandria lighthouse was destroyed to the ground for about 1300 years according to various "trustworthy chronicles" exactly 10 times!

            AND?..
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 13: 27 New
              -1
              10 times .. and then another traveler observes him in perfect order. For that time, it was a cyclopean structure. And you. AND?
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 5 September 2020 13: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: SARANCHA1976
                10 times .. and then another traveler observes him in perfect order. For that time, it was a cyclopean structure. And you. AND?

                I did not write anything about the lighthouse, I wrote about Bushkov, who did not touch him, but "criticized" other historical aspects. I do not know what and who wrote this about the lighthouse. I do not know from what sources you took all this. All the books I read about the destruction of the lighthouse are written once. But that's not the point. Dating is based not only on the annals. History, like any science, uses three or more unrelated platforms. Let's say chronicles + archeology + dating of natural disasters. And there may be a dozen such platforms. Leave the chronicles to the writers. Or yourself for an evening reading.
                1. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 19: 44 New
                  0
                  Bushkov has a lot of controversial points, but also a lot of pretty interesting theories.
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 5 September 2020 21: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: SARANCHA1976
                    Bushkov has a lot of controversial points, but also a lot of pretty interesting theories.

                    I even know where all these "interesting theories" are born:
                    “The other was kept tied up all the time in a straitjacket so that he could not figure out when the end of the world would come. I met several professors there. proved that inside the globe there is another ball, much larger than the outer one. In an insane asylum, everyone could say whatever came into his head, as if in parliament "
                    © "Schweik"
                    1. SARANCHA1976
                      SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 21: 27 New
                      -4
                      Well, everything is clear, shake the dogmas
                2. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 19: 48 New
                  -7
                  Andrey Stepanenko
                  History No More: The Greatest Historical Frauds. About the lighthouse right from the beginning of the book
          2. kalibr
            kalibr 7 September 2020 20: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: SARANCHA1976
            according to various "trustworthy chronicles"

            And ... give at least one text?
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 8 September 2020 07: 37 New
              0
              21 July 365 year

              On the Feast of Nile an earthquake occurred throughout the earth. In Alexandria, 50 thousand people died. The 180-meter lighthouse of Alexandria collapsed.

              21 July 400 year

              This date of the fall of the Alexandria lighthouse is rarely mentioned, but it is not the last, because the lighthouse can also rise again.

              641-642 years. First resurrection

              According to Arab sources, during the conquest of Egypt (641-642), the lighthouse works perfectly.

              About 700

              According to the same Arabic sources, around 700 AD. e. the lighthouse will be destroyed again.

              796 year

              For some unknown reason, the Alexandria Lighthouse has lost its entire upper part.

              850 year

              The lighthouse was almost turned into ruins thanks to the intrigues of the Emperor of Constantinople, who threw a tale to the Sultan that a treasure was hidden in the foundation of the lighthouse. The naive sultan believed and demolished the entire upper part of the engineering structure, which gives him fabulous annual profits, and the city - worldwide fame.

              880 year

              Sultan Ahmed ibn Tulun added a dome of the mosque instead of the upper (working) part of the lighthouse. That is, the lighthouse no longer functions as a lighthouse.

              According to another version, Sultan Ahmed ibn Tulun restored the lighthouse, built scaffolding to erect the dome, but a sudden blowing wind destroyed everything to its original state.

              956 year

              Earthquake. The lighthouse lost 22 meters in height - the entire upper part, and deep cracks incompatible with operation went along the walls.

              1100 year

              An earthquake of 1100 shook Alexandria and left only the first floor of the lighthouse. The lighthouse will never be restored and a mosque will be built in its place in the days of the Qalawun Sultan.

              1155-1183 years. The lighthouse is safe and sound again

              Visitors to the lighthouse testified in 1155 that the structure was completely intact and functional.

              The Arab traveler Abou-Haggag Al-Andaloussi examined the lighthouse and gave its detailed description. The lighthouse is safe and sound. There is no information that it fell or collapsed from earthquakes.



              The notary Burchard, sent in 1175 to Saladin, king of Babylon, describes the Alexandria lighthouse as functioning normally. No one in Alexandria seems to have a clue that this titanic structure ever fell.

              And in 1183 the presence of a lighthouse - safe and sound - was attested by the traveler Ibn Jabar, completely shocked by this wonder of the world.

              1303 year

              It is believed that it was the global earthquake of 1303 that dealt the last fatal blow to the four times fallen and four times fatally damaged lighthouse.

              1323 (1326) year

              And again, strong tremors, and again records of the damage to the great structure and its final destruction by 1326.

              1375 year

              It was in this, 1375, that the lighthouse was for the last, SEVENTH, time finally destroyed by an earthquake.

              1480 year. Dismantling the lighthouse

              The Sultan of Egypt Mamluk Kvitbey dismantles the remains of the lighthouse and uses its stones in the construction of the Ashmawy Fort, which has survived to this day. And yet the story of the Lighthouse of Alexandria does not end there.

              1575 and 1683 years

              Another resurrection of the lighthouse

              Below are fragments of two panoramas published in 1575 and 1683. At the ends of the capes covering the bay there are buildings: on the left is the palace of the ruler, and on the right (albeit without the top) is the Alexandria lighthouse. And these are not copies of antique drawings: oceanic ships, but in the city there are mosques. In 1575 the lighthouse was half-flooded. In 1683, both the lighthouse and the ruler's palace were half-flooded (even the reflections in the water are drawn).
              In total, for 1318 years (from 365 to 1683), the Alexandria lighthouse was once dismantled, rebuilt twice into a mosque, four times it was seriously damaged and SEVEN TIME (!) Was destroyed cleanly, of which twice (365 and 400 years) - on July 21. At the same time, it was restored as a lighthouse only once, in 880, and even then it was unsuccessful. In fact, the Lighthouse of Alexandria simply resurrected - exactly 10 times.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 8 September 2020 09: 47 New
                0
                This is absolutely nothing to say or prove. Very often, construction documents are destroyed first. There are 104 pyramids in Egypt, but only recently a papyrus was found which says about the construction of one of them.
                1. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 8 September 2020 14: 39 New
                  0
                  Very often, construction documents are destroyed first of all ... You yourself understood what you wrote? What does construction have to do with it? In your opinion, the Cyclopean structure was simply constantly rebuilt for their time? As I understand it, you are a layman in an ancient construction site, well, nothing .. you walk around museums there, talk to experts .. About your 104 pyramids, we can say that this does not mean anything at all. This is how I understand another professional debater who doesn't even care about the question and thought process about the opponent's arguments.
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 8 September 2020 15: 43 New
                    0
                    Dmitry, you don't need to understand anything. Moreover, you do not know how to do elementary things. Before writing nonsense about your opponent, you need to go to his profile. There you would see the number and subject matter of my articles published here. Then the full name - type and see how many books the author has ... in the USSR, Russia, England, Germany ... Look in e-librery - there are scientific articles. This is what smart people do. Stupid - they immediately write about the thought processes of others, forgetting about the absence of their own.
              2. kalibr
                kalibr 8 September 2020 15: 46 New
                0
                These are not the texts of the annals! Is this accessible to your understanding? These are modern interpretations of something there. The text is with a link to the author. Preferably the year of publication or publishing house if the language is Russian or translation if the source is foreign.
      2. Pavel57
        Pavel57 4 September 2020 18: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: RUnnm
        because he is examining the already held material evidence)))

        History operates with incomplete, inaccurate, biased facts in conditions of political overtones, often ignoring artifacts and data from other sciences that can affect the historical conclusions and authority of historians.
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 4 September 2020 19: 33 New
          +6
          You are confusing ideology and science. The fact that politicians twist the same story at their discretion does not discredit science, but idiots who do not understand that everything secret sooner or later becomes clear and in the long run they do not benefit, but bring harm
          1. Uran53
            Uran53 7 September 2020 12: 12 New
            +1
            In our sinful world, "science" has long been covered by ideology. If you don't believe me, read how the history of Russia was written in different ways from Peter to the present day. Even now, historical science looks more like a woman with low social responsibility.
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 4 September 2020 20: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Pavel57
          History operates on incomplete, unreliable, biased facts
          It is not "history operates", but some historians operate; and then, we still need to figure out how they operate. Mathematicians generally operate with invented entities. Not science either?
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 September 2020 19: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: RUnnm
        history is perhaps one of the few that is a real science, for it examines the material evidence that has already taken place

        Yes, history reflects a specific time, place, personality. And it will be "pure history, and real science. But throughout the whole time, no, no, yes, and there will be someone who has power who will remove or replace something, and yes, we already have a" corrected "history. But it is even worse when history, like the language is simply invented, and after 100 years it will turn out to be a "pure" story, but "not invented" by figures with an inflamed brain.
      4. Matroskin
        Matroskin 6 September 2020 14: 40 New
        +9
        Obscurantism strides across the Earth. History is not science, philosophy is not science, anthropology is not science. But theology suddenly gets chairs. Wherever you spit, you run into the director or "assistant professor" of some institute (Institutes of Psychology and Astrology, Vedic Sciences, Institutes of Homeopathy). Any freak can now spew the contents of his head on readers and listeners, under the shout "History is not science!", And you refute now. Why work in archives? Why do research? Why put knowledge into a logical and consistent picture of the world? You can also hack the loot without steaming. "Rational thinking? Fuck it! I have my own unique opinion."

        I don’t quite understand what’s going on, I only have to spread my hands and have a callus on my forehead from my hand. Is it post modern or post post modern or retrospective evolution in general? Only dialectic calms down))
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 7 September 2020 20: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Matroskin
          generally retrospective evolution?

          This, alas, this!
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 9 September 2020 10: 27 New
          0
          I don't quite understand what's going on at all

          The alternative sells well, that's the whole point, idle consumers are lazy to strain boring science.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 September 2020 19: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      History is not science at all.

      Well, if history is not a science, then how can Darwinism and eugenics be called sciences?
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 5 September 2020 13: 29 New
        +2
        Who told you that Darwinism is a science? There is a THEORY of Darwin, there is no science of Darwin
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 September 2020 14: 06 New
          -3
          Quote: SARANCHA1976
          Who told you that Darwinism is a science? There is a THEORY of Darwin, there is no science of Darwin

          Maybe science, and maybe pseudoscience, but I had to teach both "Darwinism" as a subject, and the "Constitution of the USSR" as a subject back in school.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 6 September 2020 10: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            "Darwinism" as a subject, and the "Constitution of the USSR" as a subject.

            In what kind of school were Darwinism and the Constitution of the USSR separate subjects?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 6 September 2020 20: 04 New
              0
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              In what kind of school were Darwinism and the Constitution of the USSR separate subjects?

              Soviet school in 1953.
              1. andrew42
                andrew42 7 September 2020 12: 00 New
                +1
                In 1953, sat in a Darwinism class? - How old are you? - My grandmother is still alive, born in 1928, I'll ask her around, we'll laugh together.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 7 September 2020 12: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: andrew42
                  In 1953 he was in a Darwinism class? - How old are you?

                  I went to the first grade. Our class was 1st and 3rd together, led by one teacher, also 2nd and 4th grade. Until 1955, there were these subjects, and in the 4th grade there were final exams, one of the final exams was "The Constitution of the USSR".
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 9 September 2020 10: 24 New
      0
      History is not science at all.

      Should you throw beads?
      History is not science. History is a chronicle of events and although it is not itself a science, it uses scientific method, for searching, organizing and reconstructing lost events, thanks to which the official history is the most accurate and best version of events. No alternatives and subversives stand side by side with historians.
  5. Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 4 September 2020 16: 00 New
    10
    "Articles" in the Zen style have not been something out of the ordinary here recently, but now we have sunk to the "alternatives" ... BO, make an effort, break through the bottom already, push off and swim up! More publications does not mean that it will be better, because everything will drown in garbage.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 16: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Aleksandre
      BO, make an effort, break through the bottom, push off and swim up!

      Make an effort, print your article. Or weak? Chukchi is not a writer?
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 4 September 2020 16: 59 New
        +9
        We will not be paid for articles from the Soros Foundation. We will not aim to prove that Russians are not a people, that they have no history, that all their heroes are not real. The authenticity of many of the cards shown in the video raises great doubts. But the authenticity of the fact that Pugachev was a national hero and the leader of the peasant war is beyond doubt. As well as the fact that during the turmoil (and the peasant war is TRUMMET) all recently annexed territories (having national or religious differences) participate in this turmoil and try to secede (by the way, the Russian principalities also separated from the Golden Horde). And if Ivan the Terrible has a Tatar mother (with a claim to kinship with the Chingizids), and he had the right to claim the lands of the Horde, then the Romanovs did not have such rights. And they had to prove it and subjugate those who considered themselves free ... But ... the same processes were taking place in Europe ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 17: 49 New
          -10
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          Pugachev was a folk hero

          Shut up, dog!
      2. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 4 September 2020 21: 10 New
        12
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Make an effort, print your article. Or weak? Chukchi is not a writer?

        And it is also "weak" for me to jump over a six-meter bar, I won't even take a pole in my hands.
        The fact that my talents are different is not at all a reason to disgrace myself in front of Bubka.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 4 September 2020 20: 59 New
      -4
      Quote: Aleksandre
      make an effort, break through the bottom, push off
      Who broke the bottom from what to start from? request
      1. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 4 September 2020 21: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: sniperino
        Who broke the bottom from what to start from? request

        Well, not through and through laughing
    3. would
      would 8 September 2020 16: 50 New
      0
      What does it mean? Not one year ago, the same Klesov gave an exclusive interview to the portal, there were also articles about "Russian hand-to-hand combat", about how there was no Mongol yoke, and so on. This is far from the first and unfortunately not the last such article on VO.
  6. RUnnm
    RUnnm 4 September 2020 16: 20 New
    +6
    It would be better to post videos with lectures by real historians, of whom there are many in Russia, than to be like RenTV.
  7. Oleg133
    Oleg133 4 September 2020 16: 26 New
    +7
    In the official history, almost everything does not agree. You can't believe her at all, but the facts from there must be treated with caution, rechecking 20 times where it was, when it was and with whom it was
    1. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 5 September 2020 22: 09 New
      0
      And that makes the story interesting. After all, everyone has their own view.
    2. Seal
      Seal 6 September 2020 18: 32 New
      +1
      and to the facts from there
      It is impossible to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if it is not there. As well as the facts in the official version of history.
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 9 September 2020 10: 33 New
      0
      Almost everything does not fit in the official history.

      Yes, it is not possible that everything does not converge straight.

      You can't believe her at all

      Believe perky, this is your level.

      and the facts from there must be treated with caution, rechecking 20 times

      According to scientific criteria, facts must be verified, which historians do. Only the victims of the exam are not aware of this.
  8. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 4 September 2020 16: 38 New
    0
    This is not an alternative history, but a well-prepared falsification ...
  9. Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 September 2020 17: 07 New
    +4
    Oh, complete bullshit ...
    Again Tartary is shoved where it is not necessary ...
    And new chronological revelations ...
    In general, the internet is full of videos with real stories about old maps, where they do not jump on "sensational" tops, as here
  10. sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 September 2020 17: 24 New
    +8
    I didn't get it. Is it for Putin or against? Explain !!!
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 4 September 2020 17: 29 New
      0
      this is for Sobyanin and Volodin, and Dyumin with Mironov
      against Deripaska and Furgal .. and Trump with Xi Zingpin






      one should laugh at oneself, one should sympathize with others in such situations - "understand and fend for themselves"
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 4 September 2020 17: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: antivirus
        this is for Sobyanin and Volodin, and Dyumin with Mironov
        against Deripaska and Furgal .. and Trump with Xi Zingpin


        Who are all these people? There is no Putin here.
  11. MAVr964
    MAVr964 4 September 2020 17: 27 New
    -2
    Below is a bunch of comets who have the "correct" understanding of history
  12. Reviews
    Reviews 4 September 2020 18: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: sergo1914
    I didn't get it. Is it for Putin or against? Explain !!!


    - I didn't go through academies. I didn't finish them.
    - Here, Vasily Ivanovich, the peasants are summing up: are you for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists?
    - What?
    - I ask, are you for the Bolsheviks, or are you for the Communists?
    - I am for the International.
    - And you for which, for the second or for the third?
    - What for the second?
    - International.
    - For the one for which you need, for that and stand.


    :)
  13. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 4 September 2020 18: 50 New
    -8
    Strong President - Great Russia! And everything else is bullshit ...
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 6 September 2020 18: 40 New
      +2
      Strong President - Great Russia! And everything else is bullshit ...
      This is especially important for Melitopol cherries.
    2. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 9 September 2020 10: 10 New
      0
      We have such rockets .. nanotechnology .. this is a breakthrough .. and yes, everyone in heaven
  14. RUnnm
    RUnnm 4 September 2020 19: 03 New
    +5
    You are confusing ideology and science. The fact that politicians twist the same story at their discretion does not discredit science, but idiots who do not understand that everything secret sooner or later becomes obvious and in the long run they bring harm rather than benefit.
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 September 2020 21: 03 New
    -2
    Quote: RUnnm
    You are confusing ideology and science. That,

    Here's another argument that history is not a science, since it is impossible to separate ideology from history.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 5 September 2020 07: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      since it is impossible to separate ideology from history.

      Only for those who confuse ethyl alcohol and methyl alcohol.
    2. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 5 September 2020 22: 13 New
      +3
      Can. Example: There was a pen on the table; there is no handle - it's a fact (history). Now let's add a policy: There was a pen on the table and someone took it. This is already a policy, a motive is added, to blame someone.
  16. Diviz
    Diviz 5 September 2020 00: 44 New
    0
    Yes, how many times have they said. Underground Tartary is sealed. In Tomsk, Omsk, the dungeons were closed.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 5 September 2020 13: 15 New
      -3
      Quote: DiViZ
      Yes, how many times have they said. Underground Tartary is sealed. In Tomsk, Omsk, the dungeons were closed.

      Yes, Tartary is the metropolis of Plutonia. It's a shame not to know!


      :)


      I met several professors there. One of them followed me all the time and explained that the ancestral home of the gypsies was in the Giant Mountains, and the other argued that there is another sphere inside the globe, much larger than the outer one. In an insane asylum, everyone could say whatever came into his head, as if in parliament
      1. Diviz
        Diviz 5 September 2020 14: 05 New
        -3
        People are different who wants to believe in something. If there are facts, then it is not necessary to put a spoke in the wheel.
        If anyone wants to, he lets go with the gypsies and communicates their tales with them.
      2. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr 6 September 2020 08: 02 New
        +2
        When I feel sad, I always re-read "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik". And every time I discover something new for myself. A book was written long ago and is still relevant. Characters from the book are found in life at every step.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 6 September 2020 08: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Alecsandr
          The book was written a long time ago and is still relevant. Characters from the book are found in life at every step.

          "Absolutely in the hole."
        2. Diviz
          Diviz 14 September 2020 22: 43 New
          0
          This is how we live strong dexterous fighting and Schweiks write books and push double standards to others.
      3. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 9 September 2020 10: 17 New
        0
        What are you foolish about .. according to the historical annals Dunno on the Moon, there is emptiness inside the Moon and there is a highly developed civilization
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 9 September 2020 10: 41 New
          -1
          Quote: SARANCHA1976
          there is emptiness inside the moon and there is a highly developed civilization

          I know. Yesterday they called from there, invited me to visit.
          But, seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if the Moon is really "porous". In "TM", for example, the hypothesis was put forward in all seriousness that the Moon is a hefty spaceship.
          1. Bubarius
            Bubarius 9 September 2020 20: 30 New
            0
            The funny thing is if this hypothesis is removed from orbit and knocks down on its own business)) I have not a single lantern on the street ... how to live?
  17. AML
    AML 5 September 2020 00: 50 New
    +7
    The history of the Second World War is being rewritten before our eyes, so I quite believe in rewriting history. Well, there was a civilization for itself, an asteroid thundered. Tsunami + volcanic eruptions. Here are the buried cities and years without summer, As a result of the turmoil and redistribution. That's it, no conspiracy theories. No Anunnaki and Nubiru. And history was rewritten to add greatness. Look at the Ukraine and the sea was dug and the Ukrainian Buddha. Just imagine that all the electronics were ejected in the sun and burned out. How many years will humanity roll back? And they will completely hammer in nails with electron microscopes, since they will no longer be able to work as intended. And 20 years will pass and no one will say what kind of device it is and why it is needed at all.
    1. Diviz
      Diviz 5 September 2020 10: 18 New
      +1
      That's exactly the Ukrainian Buddha. This means there is one kind of people.
      And we just need to unearth what was under our feet. Decipher texts and understand how people lived in the past. But reality has its own pride and the whole model is built on the global flood. We must move away from this model.
    2. Seal
      Seal 6 September 2020 18: 29 New
      +3
      World history was created on the basis of many circumstances. For example.
      1. First of all, of the religious. There was a Bible. It contains the Old Testament. The Old Testament contains the prophecy of the Prophet Daniel about four successive kingdoms. What does this mean? So these kingdoms need to find a place in History.
      Jews fled Egypt? So you need to find a place in History and Egypt and the Jews.
      Plus, you need a background against which the kingdoms mentioned in the Bible operate. That is, other kingdoms are needed, barbarians, etc.
      2. Legal and economic factor. As soon as society realized that there could be not only general, but also "MY", that is, that there could be private property, then disputes immediately began about who owns something tasty from private property (an unfinished mammoth bone, a spear, or bow, boat, hut, house, palace, field, village with inhabitants, castle, city, etc.). And in these disputes for many centuries, the only proof of rightness (well, with the exception of giving in the face) was the presentation of any "evidence" that the ancestor of one disputant owned this something earlier than the ancestor of another disputant. This simply caused a flurry of making ancient "documents" indicating that such or such an "ancient ruler" presented the disputed ancestor of one of the disputants. Or not necessarily presented, but was in transit and it was the ancestor of one disputant who accepted it, and not another. Or exempted from taxes. In general, all kinds of "ancient documents" were mass-produced and all kinds of "ancient kings and emperors" were put into circulation. Who only did that someone was visited and exempted from taxes :)
      3. Political factors. And this is closer to ours. So good Catholics-Poles wanted to cheat on their eastern neighbor (that is, us) and wrote some kind of crap - why should the Vatican not support this crap with its authority. And no special orders are needed. In an extreme case, oral advice could be given to some bishop sent to the bishopric in Poland, you, they say, look for a scribe there, let him also write something nasty about these Moscow schismatics. Otherwise they don't want to become good Catholics for some reason.
      The Vatican does not like the fact that the Turkish Sultan sends the popes on an erotic journey and beats the crusader troops, which means that the Ottoman Empire will receive its portion of dirt.
      4. Further, it is closer to the present. By the end of the 19th century, their historical plots, from which they harvested cabbage, ceased to be enough for feeding the bred historians, they introduced a new plot - the Hittites. Without which, history until the end of the 19th century did well. The "Sumerians" also appeared. Now "ancient Ukrainians" are being introduced into scientific circulation. ...
  18. Michael HORNET
    Michael HORNET 5 September 2020 09: 10 New
    +4
    Judging by the comments, an ordinary layman with all his might drives away uncomfortable questions from himself, preferring ready-made chewing gum
    "Chairman of SNT", together with other researchers, shows that in fact the history was completely different, and shows that real archeology and some of the surviving documents and maps do not confirm the official version of history. The only question is the scale of falsifications, but the picture is gradually taking shape
  19. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 September 2020 09: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Avis
    Quote: Pavel57
    since it is impossible to separate ideology from history.

    Only for those who confuse ethyl alcohol and methyl alcohol.

    Then the question is, how does the school history curriculum change depending on the party line? And not only in our country. If you honestly answer this question, then history is more than half ideology and politics.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 5 September 2020 13: 45 New
      -4
      Quote: Pavel57

      Then the question is, how does the school history curriculum change depending on the party line? And not only in our country. If you honestly answer this question, then history is more than half ideology and politics.

      No, it will not sleep me, but you will fly. Methyl alcohol. For, you really do not see the difference between the "school curriculum in history" and the science of "history". And explanations will not help here.
    2. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 5 September 2020 22: 17 New
      0
      Unfortunately. This is true. Especially school
  20. orcinus
    orcinus 5 September 2020 10: 12 New
    +3
    At one time I reviewed his entire channel on vacation. This author has several points that no history textbook explains. Take, for example, the theory of a catastrophe at the end of the 19th century, which caused the first floors to fall asleep. So I lived in Saratov, a lot of houses in the center, old ones, were filled up in this way, and how will the supporters of "books, and not creepy charlatans" explain this?)
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 September 2020 21: 47 New
      0
      It's simple ... If at the end of the 19th century there was such a global catastrophe that arose in Saratov and St. the fact that houses are leaving all over the country, there would be witnesses ... Yes, the entire population of Ingushetia would be witnesses, everyone, without exception ...
      And the Bolsheviks have no interest in hiding such a natural emergency

      And the explanation is simple enough - incorrectly calculated foundation
      Three houses from me there is a house built in 3. It was built as a two-story building for the prosecutor's office, the military enlistment office and the OGPU / NKVD.
      The military registration and enlistment office is still there ...
      So the first floor has become a basement in 92 years. The windows were laid with bricks as the building went down
      In the 70s, I remember - that the windows were still half above the ground ...
      1. orcinus
        orcinus 7 September 2020 07: 19 New
        +2
        About "universal" knowledge, you can give an example, at least, of the same August putsch, when there were already video cameras, satellites, etc.
        - there are still a lot of white spots about the role of this or that politician, but what roles there are - different sources present these events in different ways! And you about the 19th century. Using my family as an example, I will say that during the time of Kovid I started compiling a pedigree, ancestors from Siberia, so that's all that was before 1905-1910. - continuous questions and discrepancies in names, family composition, etc. I do not want to speak for this blogger, but for the fact that the official story is also not crystal clear!
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 7 September 2020 12: 13 New
        +1
        I support. About "filled up first floors" - it's like about "the ancient Perm metro". By the way, in the same Perm, or rather in Motovilikha (and this factory town was separate, and more abruptly than the provincial provincial "center" - cohabitant), so there on the Solikamsk tract and now just yesterday it was full of old log houses, where the 1st floors are below ground level, and many of the windows are not even laid, but go out into a kind of stone-lined "trenches" up to 1,5 meters deep. And this is just the end of the 19th century, maximum 120 years. Or maybe less, and this is "on the mountains", not in the lowlands! Lowering houses is a trivial matter, as is the rapid regrowth of the soil layer, especially in places where crowded streets and highways pass.
        1. Ua3qhp
          Ua3qhp 8 September 2020 09: 03 New
          +1
          Am on the Solikamsk tract, and now just yesterday it was full of old log houses, where the 1st floors are below ground level, and many windows are not even laid, but go out into a kind of stone-lined "trenches" up to 1,5 meters deep.

          These are light wells for semi-basements. In the 19th century and earlier, electricity was "not very good", so it was necessary to make light wells for lighting. As the development progressed, the need for them fell away and the light wells fell asleep. Too much debris collects in them, and it is inconvenient to clean. According to this scheme, even some Khrushchev buildings were built, especially on the slopes.
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 8 September 2020 12: 28 New
            0
            Yeah, only the basements were equipped with windows for RESIDENTIAL premises, with window sills inside, and by no means light "hatches". In any case, the level of the bottom of the "light wells" was obviously much higher, even if the basements were planned to be converted into housing.
            1. Ua3qhp
              Ua3qhp 8 September 2020 12: 40 New
              +1
              In those days, semi-basements were considered quite living quarters.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 9 September 2020 10: 44 New
                -2
                Quote: Ua3qhp
                In those days, semi-basements were considered quite living quarters.

                And still, apparently, they are. In Nizhny Novgorod, in some places, people still live in such semi-basements. I'm not talking about institutions ...
  21. AML
    AML 5 September 2020 11: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: RUnnm
    It would be better to post videos with lectures by real historians, of whom there are many in Russia, than to be like RenTV.

    I watched a couple of videos from the Scientists vs. Myths series. Some things are interpreted there very simply - "we all know."

    - From the whistleblowers. There are round holes in Egyptian megaliths, but this does not mean that there was a highly developed civilization, we can make a copper pipe and drill a round hole for it. There is even a video of how 2 idiots spent 4 hours to drill 3 centimeters of granite and prove to everyone that they drilled two or three meter holes.

    - From me. There are no electric or chainsaws, because any tree can be cut with a nail file.

    On the second option - which is "from me", many twist a finger at their temples and sincerely ask - Are you a stupid person? And so it turns out that a dibble story about the ancient world is the norm. And the same, approximated to the present, is a sign of mental retardation. How so?
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 5 September 2020 13: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: AML

      It took 2 idiots 4 hours to drill 3 centimeters of granite and prove to everyone that they drilled two or three meter holes.

      many will twist their fingers at their temples and sincerely ask - Are you a stupid person?

      No, they won't ask. They will say in the affirmative. And they will be right.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 14 September 2020 10: 46 New
        +1
        It is very likely that the ancient technological structures "died out" as a result of the same conceit of the then contemporaries "we are the most progressive in the history of the Earth, we know everything."
  22. Sergey79
    Sergey79 5 September 2020 12: 47 New
    +2
    Any opinion has a place to be, but it should be considered from the point of view of a critical approach ...
  23. AML
    AML 5 September 2020 14: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Avis
    Quote: AML

    It took 2 idiots 4 hours to drill 3 centimeters of granite and prove to everyone that they drilled two or three meter holes.

    many will twist their fingers at their temples and sincerely ask - Are you a stupid person?

    No, they won't ask. They will say in the affirmative. And they will be right.


    You can beat nuts and a member, but this does not mean that in factories they do exactly that.
  24. Reviews
    Reviews 5 September 2020 16: 51 New
    -2
    Quote: AML
    Quote: Avis
    Quote: AML

    It took 2 idiots 4 hours to drill 3 centimeters of granite and prove to everyone that they drilled two or three meter holes.

    many will twist their fingers at their temples and sincerely ask - Are you a stupid person?

    No, they won't ask. They will say in the affirmative. And they will be right.


    You can beat nuts and a member, but this does not mean that in factories they do exactly that.

    "I have no more questions."
  25. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 September 2020 19: 46 New
    -2
    Quote: Avis
    Quote: Pavel57


    No, it will not sleep me, but you will fly. Methyl alcohol. For, you really do not see the difference between the "school curriculum in history" and the science of "history". And explanations will not help here.

    Nothing will help, you reduce everything to alcohol.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 6 September 2020 08: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: Pavel57

      Nothing will help, you reduce everything to alcohol.

      I am translating into a language you understand. It is you who are confusing "science history" and "school history course", not me. The word "history" is there, and there, and the difference is huge. But, if the word "history" is too clever, I give an analogy with alcohols. I can use other analogies that are clear to any preschooler.
  26. BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 5 September 2020 21: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Snail N9
    But personally, I myself have seen several times in St. Petersburg, during repair work in the city, how the first floors, which are under the surface of the earth, were being dug up with mortgaged windows and doors, that is, there is no such "cultural layer" or "draft of the building" there is talk and his theory of "Russia buried in a clay flood" is not without reason

    However, ancient settlements are a welcome subject for scholars to study and plunder by black archaeologists. It's not the first time I've heard about the buried floors of St. Petersburg, haven't they been studied?
    In this I resolutely refuse to believe. They should have been given to scientists, no joke, such interesting material! But where are the sensations, where are the results of the excavations ?? There is none of them?
  27. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 September 2020 08: 00 New
    +2
    I didn’t understand what surprised the author from the map. For example, he says that the city of Samara did not exist yet. When it was founded by decree of Tsar Fyodor back in 1586. And the map was drawn up in the seventeenth century.
  28. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 September 2020 10: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Avis
    I can use other analogies that are clear to any preschooler.

    If not difficult. But it is better on subjects on the topic. At school they teach bullshit, which history has nothing to do with SCIENCE, right?
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 7 September 2020 07: 31 New
      -3
      Quote: Pavel57
      They teach bullshit at school, which history has nothing to do with SCIENCE, right?

      Eh?
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 7 September 2020 20: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      They teach bullshit at school, which history has nothing to do with SCIENCE, right?

      80% of the garbage available to the children's level. I had an article here about what is not said in history lessons from Egyptian myths. And they cannot say for a number of reasons. Find, read ... It's funny ...
  29. iouris
    iouris 6 September 2020 13: 51 New
    0
    Editorial article? The article is reactionary: the consumer is dissatisfied with the quality of "conventional science". Well, isn't it funny ourselves?
  30. Seal
    Seal 6 September 2020 15: 10 New
    0
    Quote: RUnnm
    Oh how! Suddenly!)))
    If this is a surprise to you, one can only state that you have clearly not read the world-famous philosophical work "The World as Will and Representation" by the great German philosopher of the 19th century Arthur Schopenhauer. It is so ?
  31. Seal
    Seal 6 September 2020 15: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Pavel57
    They teach bullshit at school, which history has nothing to do with SCIENCE, right?
    One of the greatest philosophers in the world, German philosopher of the 19th century, Arthur Schopenhauer, in his world-renowned philosophical work "The World as Will and Representation" more than convincingly proved and showed literally on his fingers that history does not correspond to the concept of "science".
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 6 September 2020 15: 15 New
      +1
      So the conversation is about this: history is not a science.
  32. Iskazi
    Iskazi 6 September 2020 16: 08 New
    +1
    cognitively ..., there was censorship, but it still takes place ..., renaming of Soviet times, post-Soviet return of names ..., I think the author of the video is right about something, we greatly underestimate our ancestors, and we know very much about them few ..., myths and legends are already circulating about the realities of the Soviet era, but not in them, but in time and brainwashing. It is also a fact that the materials of the Pugachev riot were classified ... the past is really unpredictable ... but it must be stirred up, at least for the development of the mind.
  33. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 6 September 2020 17: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Kolin
    Are there Anunnaki with reptilians in the video?


    Not. It's about TARTARIA. The one that supposedly did not exist ...
    1. AML
      AML 6 September 2020 21: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Quote: Kolin
      Are there Anunnaki with reptilians in the video?


      Not. It's about TARTARIA. The one that supposedly did not exist ...

      In Amsterdam, in the royal palace, maps are painted on the floor. There is Tartary.
  34. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 6 September 2020 17: 48 New
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    Quote: MstislavHrabr
    We will not be paid for articles from the Soros Foundation. We will not aim to prove that Russians are not a people, that they have no history, that all their heroes are not real. The authenticity of many of the cards shown in the video raises great doubts. But the authenticity of the fact that Pugachev was a national hero and the leader of the peasant war is beyond doubt. As well as the fact that during the turmoil (and the peasant war is TRUMMET) all recently annexed territories (having national or religious differences) participate in this turmoil and try to secede (by the way, the Russian principalities also separated from the Golden Horde). And if Ivan the Terrible has a Tatar mother (with a claim to kinship with the Chingizids), and he had the right to claim the lands of the Horde, then the Romanovs did not have such rights. And they had to prove it and subjugate those who considered themselves free ... But ... the same processes were taking place in Europe ...



    Laughing out loud. As for the cards: one of them hangs in St. Petersburg in the museum. But you, as always, are talking nonsense ...
  35. Seal
    Seal 6 September 2020 18: 34 New
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    Quote: Max1995
    Again Tartary is shoved where it is not necessary ..
    That fans of "Great Tataria", that fans of "Great Mongolia" - one crap (hrenologists). The only thing is that the version about Great Tataria is still less illogical than the version about Great Mongolia. Which is really quite frank crap.
    1. AML
      AML 6 September 2020 21: 32 New
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      You are just like in a joke.
      - It's strange there is an ass, but there is no such word. Tsy

      I wrote above that the map of Tartary is engraved on the floor of the royal palace in Amsterdam. Not specifically Tartary as such, two hemispheres with countries.
  36. AML
    AML 6 September 2020 23: 40 New
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    Quote: Avis
    Quote: AML
    Quote: Avis
    Quote: AML

    It took 2 idiots 4 hours to drill 3 centimeters of granite and prove to everyone that they drilled two or three meter holes.

    many will twist their fingers at their temples and sincerely ask - Are you a stupid person?

    No, they won't ask. They will say in the affirmative. And they will be right.


    You can beat nuts and a member, but this does not mean that in factories they do exactly that.

    "I have no more questions."


    You're funny. It is normal to drill holes with a copper pipe, but alternatively to chop nuts is not.
    The fact that copper is more difficult to obtain than iron, you do not even guess.

    Of course there are no questions. So that they should at least admit alternative options.
    And so nothing new - there are 2 versions, one my other is wrong.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 7 September 2020 07: 32 New
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      Quote: AML

      You're funny. It is normal to drill holes with a copper pipe, but alternatively to chop nuts is not.
      The fact that copper is more difficult to obtain than iron, you do not even guess.

      Of course there are no questions. So that they should at least admit alternative options.
      And so nothing new - there are 2 versions, one my other is wrong.

      Did she understand what got it?
  37. AML
    AML 7 September 2020 10: 26 New
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    Quote: Avis

    Did she understand what got it?

    When the arguments run out, there is a transition to the individual. If you can't maintain reasoned communication, why did you intervene?
  38. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 8 September 2020 13: 08 New
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    Quote: Avis
    Quote: AML

    You're funny. It is normal to drill holes with a copper pipe, but alternatively to chop nuts is not.
    The fact that copper is more difficult to obtain than iron, you do not even guess.

    Of course there are no questions. So that they should at least admit alternative options.
    And so nothing new - there are 2 versions, one my other is wrong.

    Did she understand what got it?


    Abraham Ortelius / Abraham Ortelius, "Map of Tartary or the Kingdom of the Great Khan" (from the atlas of Ortelius, Antwerp, 1570, "Teatrum orbis terrarum", "Spectacle of the globe"). Published in 1573. The texts on the map say that the Eurasian Empire of Tartary stretches from Kazan to Kumul [Camul], borders on the possessions of the Grand Duke of Moscow, Georgia, Persia and Tibet, and is washed by the Black Sea, the Caspian Sea, and the Scythian Ocean. It is ruled by the Great Khan, which ... means "emperor. Once again I repeat two words of the translation of the texts:" empire "and" rules "- everything is unambiguous:

    https://ss69100.livejournal.com/4651103.html

    And there are a lot of things about maps of different years, and about atlases, and about globes ...
  39. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 September 2020 10: 44 New
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    Quote: SARANCHA1976
    Bushkov has a lot of controversial points, but also a lot of pretty interesting theories.

    Bushkov admitted that his views now and 20 years ago are very different. So there is no faith in the early Bushkov.