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China successfully launches reusable spacecraft

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China successfully launches reusable spacecraft

A reusable spacecraft has been successfully launched at the Chinese Jiuquan Cosmodrome today. The device was launched using the Changzheng-2F (Long March 2F) launch vehicle.


This was reported by the China Corporation of Space Science and Technology (CASC).

For some time, the spacecraft will be in orbit, performing assigned tasks, after which it will return to the territory of the PRC.

The device will be involved in testing reusable technologies in space flights and will provide technological support for the peaceful exploration of outer space by the People's Republic of China. Various reusable systems and technologies will be tested in Earth orbit. The test program is part of the 14th mission of the Changzheng-2F series of launch vehicles.

Shortly before that, in July of this year, the Chinese space industry was marked by the launch of a special probe into outer space, whose task is to study Mars.

Jiuquan Cosmodrome is located in the Chinese province of Gansu in the northwest of the country, in the Gobi Desert. It began to be used by the PRC to launch spacecraft in 1969.
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    2. Maz
      Maz 4 September 2020 15: 25 New
      -17
      Fake smells like
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Sorry for off-topic, but the Chinese Su-35 was shot down by Taiwan's air defense. Video on the link below.
      The first circumstances of the destruction of the Su-35 fighter of the PRC Air Force are revealed.

      As follows from the information provided by the eastern media, the Su-35 Chinese Air Force fighter flew alongside American warships in the Taiwan region, as a result of which electronic warfare was used against it. The latter managed to disrupt the work of the global positioning system, as a result of which the Chinese pilot invaded the airspace of the PRC, and after only 28 seconds he was shot down by the Patriot complex.


      It is known that an anti-aircraft guided missile exploded at a distance from the Su-35 fighter, as a result of which the pilot still managed to keep the combat vehicle in the sky for some time, re-entering the airspace of China, however, the damage was so significant that the pilot had to catapult.

      https://avia.pro/news/amerikanskie-kompleksy-reb-oglushili-istrebitel-su-35-posle-etogo-sbili
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 4 September 2020 15: 26 New
        +3
        Good day Maz! hi There is no confirmation of the incident, and the Taiwan Ministry of Defense has denied all allegations. Incident messages appear in Indian accounts.
        1. Orange
          Orange bigg 4 September 2020 15: 35 New
          -2
          Taiwan initially confirmed
          Taiwan said it shot down a Chinese Su-35 fighter.
          According to Taiwan, the vehicle allegedly entered Taiwan's airspace and was shot down by a ground-based air defense system. The pilot ejected and was taken prisoner. On the video https://twitter.com/vividshubham/status/1301781909047898114 it is not clear whether he is alive or dead.
          A video of some wreckage has also been posted.

          https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6143324.html
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 4 September 2020 15: 39 New
            0
            Taiwan initially confirmed
            There was no indication by whom it was confirmed, just Taiwan, i.e. it looks like a fake.
            1. Temples
              Temples 4 September 2020 16: 41 New
              13
              Yes, you zadolbali with this plane. negative

              What is the name of the reusable apparatus?
              Who knows?
              I want to read about him.
              1. Charik
                Charik 4 September 2020 16: 57 New
                +1
                Probably some Hunwyn laughing
              2. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 4 September 2020 17: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: Temples

                What is the name of the reusable apparatus?

                And the name of the device is not enough for me. I would like to know by what principle reusability. On the principle of "Shuttle" - "Buran" or do they have their own, Chinese?
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 4 September 2020 22: 59 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  I would like to know by what principle reusability. On the principle of "Shuttle" - "Buran" or do they have their own, Chinese?

                  Shenlong (Space Dragon). Winged. In 2007, the transportation of his model by plane was worked out, and one "gifted" Chinese man managed to take a picture and posted it on the Internet. He's pretty petite. Much less Shuttle and Buran. The dimensions are roughly the same as the American X-37B.
                  But actually little is known about him. China knows how to keep secrets
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 5 September 2020 08: 34 New
                    0
                    Quote: Shurik70

                    But actually little is known about him. China knows how to keep secrets

                    Well, judging by the photo, this device and the "spaceship" somehow do not go well together. But, as I understand it, dashing trouble is the beginning. Yes, the Chinese will soon be ahead of the rest of the planet in all areas.
                    Alas for us.
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 5 September 2020 09: 47 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      this device and the "spaceship" somehow do not match well

                      The American X-37B is a space drone. Delivery of cargo into orbit, space tug to change the orbit of operating satellites, descent of cargo to Earth. Given that the customers are the military, it was originally designed to deliver nuclear warheads into orbit (although this will be denied).

                      If the Chinese made an analogue, then the functionality is the same.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 4 September 2020 15: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Maz
        causing a Chinese pilot to invade PRC airspace,

        How can a Chinese pilot invade his country's airspace? belay Roughly done fake! yes
        1. Orange
          Orange bigg 4 September 2020 15: 32 New
          -5
          This refers to the airspace of Taiwan.
      3. venik
        venik 4 September 2020 16: 02 New
        -4
        Quote: Maz
        managed to disrupt the work of the global positioning system, as a result of which the Chinese pilot invaded the airspace of the PRC, and after only 28 seconds he was shot down by the Patriot complex.

        ==========
        Themselves then CAREFULLY read that that are you quoting? Didn't bother: "then Chinese pilot invaded airspace China (?? !!) and "....was hit by a complex "Patriot" (?!).
        PS It is clear that "Avia.Pro" is still a source - it often does not even read its own information ...... Therefore - be careful with such "sensations"!
        PPS Not to mention that the comment is "off topic" !!!
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 4 September 2020 19: 37 New
          -4
          Quote: venik
          Themselves then CAREFULLY read what you are quoting? Didn't bother ...

          Have you yourself carefully read the topic of this news before offtopic? Didn't bother what it is about "launching a reusable spacecraft" ?
          1. venik
            venik 4 September 2020 19: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            Have you yourself carefully read the topic of this news before offtopic? Didn't it bother you that we are talking about "launching a reusable spacecraft"?

            ========
            Excuse me, and I ABOUT WHAT ??? Or have you just read the "beginning"?
            Then I explain (quote from myself):
            Quote: venik
            PPS Not to mention that the comment is "off topic" !!!

            WHAT IS NOT CLEAR???
  2. RUnnm
    RUnnm 4 September 2020 15: 19 New
    +8
    I wonder how many times Rogozin gets kicked in the comments ?!
    Eh, where are the times of Beria, Chertok, Queen ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 4 September 2020 16: 04 New
      29
      Quote: RUnnm
      where are the times of Beria, Chertok, Queen ...
      In the days of Beria, Chertok, Korolev, journalist Rogozin with a humanities education, who had not worked for a day in the rocket and space industry or any related to it, would never have become the head of the industry.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 4 September 2020 16: 05 New
        0
        About that and speech ...
      2. Yves762
        Yves762 4 September 2020 17: 15 New
        +1
        Well, you know, at the same time, a graduate of the Tiflis Theological Seminary managed to become the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, and it is not bad to lead that way; including in technical industries ... what
        This is rather a question for specific persons and the principles of their selection / promotion.
    2. Rostislav
      Rostislav 4 September 2020 16: 41 New
      +2
      Many times will be kicked, do not hesitate.
      The problem is that the wrong ones are kicked. Here you need someone from the side of the VVP for the "magic pendel", but for now only VO readers hi exercise.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 4 September 2020 16: 59 New
        +9
        "The king is good, the boyars are bad!", Do you mean that?
        1. Rostislav
          Rostislav 4 September 2020 17: 15 New
          +5
          What kind of tsar is "good" if he puts worthless people in positions of responsibility?
          I meant that in order to change the situation, virtual kicks from VO readers are not enough, here a different caliber is required.
      2. Brancodd
        Brancodd 4 September 2020 17: 04 New
        +2
        Perhaps the reason is that China is constantly increasing funding for the space program. In this five-year period (on an annualized basis), space expenditures exceed Russian ones by 20 times.
      3. Yves762
        Yves762 4 September 2020 17: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Rostislav
        The problem is that the wrong ones are kicked.

        laughing The problem is that NOT THOSE kick, perhaps this is more correct ... wink
  3. Husit
    Husit 4 September 2020 15: 19 New
    18
    One can only be glad for China! No wonder in the 89th Lieberda tanks were crushed in defense of socialism ... Here is the result!
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 4 September 2020 17: 29 New
      -1
      Only there has long been no socialism, socialism in North Korea.
      1. Husit
        Husit 4 September 2020 18: 52 New
        -5
        Quote: Kaw
        Only there has long been no socialism, socialism in North Korea.

        You don’t understand anything in socialism .. You would be silent. negative
        Quote: Ezoterik
        Well, rejoice. Also, we must not forget to rejoice for the contamination of our land, in the production of "fruit and vegetable crops", cutting down the taiga, Lake Baikal.

        Well, another one whined about the Chinese threat .. We read it on social networks .. What to talk to you about?
      2. common man
        common man 4 September 2020 19: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Kaw
        Only there has long been no socialism, socialism in North Korea.

        Well, in Russia there is still no smell of capitalism. Capitalism in Sweden, Germany and others like them.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 5 September 2020 12: 12 New
          +2
          In Russia there is medieval semi-feudal "capitalism", from which Europe grew up long ago, but we, alas, did not.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 4 September 2020 17: 42 New
      0
      Well, rejoice. Also, we must not forget to rejoice for the contamination of our land, in the production of "fruit and vegetable crops", cutting down the taiga, Lake Baikal.
  4. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 4 September 2020 15: 25 New
    +8
    China is making fantastic progress. good
    1. Husit
      Husit 4 September 2020 19: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Trapp1st
      China is making fantastic progress. good

      They know how to concentrate resources and statehood in their first place !!!
      And which of the private traders do not agree, it does not matter if you are a billionaire or just an official, the issue is resolved quickly and not like with Khodorkovsky and other Furgals, etc.

      This is the state of social justice .. And there is an incentive for ordinary citizens to work for the country! This is China's economic and social breakthrough ... They venerate Stalin, but they poured mud on us ...
      1. Angelo Provolone
        Angelo Provolone 5 September 2020 00: 50 New
        +2
        China retrieved 43 escaped corrupt officials from abroad



        These are not our methods ...

  5. prior
    prior 4 September 2020 15: 31 New
    +2
    Well Rogozin will you tell us now about trampolines?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 September 2020 15: 49 New
      15
      Quote: prior
      Well Rogozin will you tell us now about trampolines?

      China is a full-fledged space power .. It is already overtaking Russia in almost all directions, and 30 years ago, there was a backward country and in 30 years we managed to change places .. Here are miracles from effective managers in Russia ..
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 September 2020 16: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: Svarog
        It is already overtaking Russia in almost all directions, and 30 years ago, there was a backward country

        Because in China, specialists are engaged in space, not managers with HSE diplomas.
        1. Husit
          Husit 4 September 2020 19: 12 New
          -3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Svarog
          It is already overtaking Russia in almost all directions, and 30 years ago, there was a backward country

          Because in China, specialists are engaged in space, not managers with HSE diplomas.

          And other bloody Chubais that have settled down and have died down in Russia! Putin is also entangled in their web ...
          Such cases Vlad in the local government structures ... hi
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 4 September 2020 19: 46 New
            +1
            And other bloody Chubais that have settled down and have died down in Russia! Putin, too, went into their web.

            Yeah, Putin has nothing to do with it, of course. Confused, poor ...
            The fish rots from the head, or do you seriously think that Putin is not aware of Roscosmos affairs?
            Mr. "Trampoline" is Putin's friend, as it were.
        2. common man
          common man 4 September 2020 19: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: tihonmarine
          space is occupied by specialists, not managers with HSE diplomas.

          We have not only HSE managers in space, but everywhere there are "successes".
          The HSE's motto should be "where we are, there is collapse."
      2. slipped
        slipped 4 September 2020 16: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Already overtakes Russia in almost all directions


        Not. China is actively developing its space technologies, but is still catching up with the results obtained.
      3. Brancodd
        Brancodd 4 September 2020 17: 02 New
        +2
        Maybe the miracles of the socio-economic structure? Perhaps the "miracles" of a planned economy?
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 4 September 2020 17: 51 New
          -1
          The wonders of total poverty in northwestern China, where a cup of rice a day is good. Look at the crowds of people wanting to get a job at Foxconn, where they live and plow in inhuman conditions. Is it a good life that they actually sell themselves into slavery? China exploits its population in a way that more than one Marx would not expect in a nightmare. Socialism, yeah ...
    2. slipped
      slipped 4 September 2020 16: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: prior
      Well Rogozin will you tell us now about trampolines?


      I'm not Rogozin laughing , but I will say - the trampoline is still in operation lol , here is the new ISS crew that is flying next month:

      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 16: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: slipped
        here is the new ISS crew that is flying next month:

        Why did they put on muzzles, and forgot the gloves?
        1. slipped
          slipped 4 September 2020 16: 56 New
          -5
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Why did they put on muzzles, and forgot the gloves?


          Well finally. Medical masks are not only worn for covid. laughing In this particular case, parrying of emergencies was practiced, such as: depressurization, fire and ammonia release ...

          "As part of the training, the crew practiced the procedure for putting on spacesuits with emergency masks in case of urgent leaving the station after the release of ammonia on the American segment of the ISS."
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 17: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: slipped
            Medical masks are not only worn for covid.

            The day before yesterday I was not allowed into the store for beer. "No mask!"
            1. slipped
              slipped 4 September 2020 20: 23 New
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              The day before yesterday I was not allowed into the store for beer. "No mask!"


              we only in large hypermarkets require clothing, who do not have it - they are free of charge at the frame, you can take it.
          2. Rzzz
            Rzzz 4 September 2020 19: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: slipped
            countering emergency situations, such as: depressurization, fire and ammonia release ...

            Yeah. Cloth muzzle. From ammonia.
            1. slipped
              slipped 4 September 2020 20: 21 New
              0
              Quote: rzzz
              Yeah. Cloth muzzle. From ammonia.


              There are many different photos. There are also gas masks. And in heavy suits.

        2. Yves762
          Yves762 4 September 2020 17: 20 New
          -1
          Because there is such (in Russia for sure) principle - "for show". laughing
        3. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 5 September 2020 00: 58 New
          0
          Why did they put on muzzles, and forgot the gloves?

          They gathered at Plyuk.
  6. Old26
    Old26 4 September 2020 15: 32 New
    12
    Nowhere, except on the "famous" avia.pro, this news has not yet been met. This resource most often publishes false information (if not to say fakes). In addition, one phrase from this message
    chinese pilot invaded PRC airspace, and after only 28 seconds was shot down by the Patriot complex.
    makes me think. The authors of the note that they do not know the correct name of the state located on the island of Taiwan?
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 September 2020 15: 32 New
    -3
    The "Long March" has begun. We expect the "Great Return".))
    1. slipped
      slipped 4 September 2020 17: 06 New
      +9
      in the picture above is not the rocket, here is the one that flew away:



      An analogue of our "Soyuz-2", only slightly heavier on heptyl.
  8. Avior
    Avior 4 September 2020 15: 34 New
    +7
    And what is the reusability of the ship?
    Which parts are reusable?
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 4 September 2020 15: 43 New
      +2
      Teikonauts wink
    2. Matthias
      Matthias 4 September 2020 16: 22 New
      +2
      The reusability is that after landing, the capsule can be serviced and launched back into space. There is no exact data, but apparently the Chinese have built something like a failed "federation".
  9. Old26
    Old26 4 September 2020 15: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Avior
    And what is the reusability of the ship?
    Which parts are reusable?

    It is not known yet. The very fact of the launch is known and that's it ...
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 4 September 2020 16: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Avior
      And what is the reusability of the ship?
      Which parts are reusable?

      It is not known yet. The very fact of the launch is known and that's it ...


      There is no real photo, specifically of this launch. All the "attached" photos are from previous launches of various other devices.
      So far, there is only such information -
      Mystery surrounds China's launch of reusable experimental spacecraft

      Those who attended the launch in Inner Mongolia warned not to film takeoff or discuss the project

      One source hints that there may be similarities with the American X-37B, a reusable space plane that works like a mini shuttle

      Source
      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3100268/china-launches-experimental-spacecraft
      1. thinker
        thinker 4 September 2020 16: 27 New
        +6
        They have been designing for a long time, but what they launched is a question.
        Within the framework of the PRC Space Program under the project "921-3", the reusable spacecraft "Divine Dragon" is being developed - "Shenlong"

  10. APASUS
    APASUS 4 September 2020 15: 42 New
    +3
    Something in the material is not particularly clear, that this ship is reusable
  11. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 4 September 2020 15: 42 New
    +2
    Question to the author, in what place is it reusable ???
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 September 2020 16: 30 New
      13
      Specifically, this is a Chinese military reusable shuttle of the X37 type. It is known about him that nothing is known.
      1. RVAPatriot
        RVAPatriot 4 September 2020 16: 39 New
        -1
        Great answer, thanks ....
  12. Old26
    Old26 4 September 2020 15: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Avior
    And what is the reusability of the ship?
    Which parts are reusable?

    By the way, Sergey, the carrying capacity of the carrier is 8,4 tons. So something like "Dragon" - "Eagle" kmk
  13. Rostislav
    Rostislav 4 September 2020 16: 34 New
    -1
    For some time, the spacecraft will be in orbit, performing assigned tasks, after which it will return to the territory of the PRC.

    It will be possible to speak of the launch as successful AFTER the vehicle returns to Earth.
    But all the same, the Chinese are great.
    Maybe they will be able to borrow someone from them at least as a deputy to Rogozin? I don't even count on replacing this "leader" ...
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 4 September 2020 19: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Rostislav
      Maybe they will be able to borrow someone from them at least as a deputy to Rogozin?

      Better on the contrary, send Rogozin there to teach his homeland to love.
    2. Shore Cannes
      Shore Cannes 6 September 2020 09: 06 New
      0
      And how can a deputy shoot his leader? No, it's better than the trampoline in the PRC.
  14. Old partisan
    Old partisan 4 September 2020 16: 36 New
    +3
    I am sincerely happy for the PRC space industry. Good luck to you.
  15. orionvitt
    orionvitt 4 September 2020 16: 45 New
    +2
    Especially liked
    in the peaceful exploration of outer space by the People's Republic of China.
    laughing
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 September 2020 16: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    Which parts are reusable?

    We also had blocks in the Union that were used several times.
    1. slipped
      slipped 4 September 2020 17: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: Avior
      Which parts are reusable?

      We also had blocks in the Union that were used several times.


      Part of the descent vehicle's instrumentation is reused. Earlier, they returned on shuttles and reused docking adapters at Progress TGC.
  17. Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 4 September 2020 17: 06 New
    -6
    We lagged behind not because of Rogozin, but because of perestroika with the subsequent collapse of the country. It's your own fault! If you want capitalism - forget about space!
    1. slipped
      slipped 4 September 2020 17: 12 New
      -2
      Quote: Moskal 55
      If you want capitalism - forget about space!


      And nobody "forgets". Preparations are now underway for the next launches to replenish our space constellations. In addition, in the near future it is planned to launch new experimental nano-class spacecraft, such as the Zorkiy spacecraft:



      equipped with a multispectral telescopic camera.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 4 September 2020 17: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Moskal 55
      We lagged behind not because of Rogozin, but because of perestroika with the subsequent collapse of the country. It's your own fault! If you want capitalism - forget about space!

      The first half is correct. The reason for the collapse of the USSR with the subsequent rapid de-industrialization and degradation of its former republics is perestroika with the transition to capitalism.
      But the second half is not. Who wanted him? Only a narrow stratum of betrayed party members + Chekists, in alliance with the criminal world. Well, there is also a part of the intelligentsia, who seized property and are now in power in the former republics.
      The overwhelming majority of citizens did not want this at all. Another thing is that they were manipulated and deceived. Guilty or victim of deception? This is a philosophical question ........................
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 September 2020 22: 24 New
        +8
        Capitalism doesn't seem to interfere ...
        SpaceX launched two Falcon 9s from Florida in three days.
        One for Argentina, the other for the 12th batch of StarLink satellites.
        Both missiles on second-hand 1st stages (4th time and 5th time).
        The steps returned as usual.
        But Musk launches have become such a boredom and routine that they don't get into the news at all ...
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 4 September 2020 23: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Capitalism doesn't seem to interfere ...

          Well, capitalism prevents the development of space. It actually developed only at the moment of the great confrontation between the USSR and the USA. Then stagnation or degradation began, because this is not a robbery of third world countries and not a drug trade. The creation of fundamentally new things that require many years of research and do not bring huge investments have made profits. And so yes, Musk launched a man into space this year. Great achievement for America.
          On the whole, capitalism is quite suitable for the United States or Israel or Great Britain. Disgusting in my opinion, but useful. But for Russia, alas, it is disastrous. What is happening after 1985 is very well demonstrated.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 September 2020 00: 35 New
            0
            Russia simply has not reached developed capitalism yet
            for historical reasons. Capitalism developed rapidly
            from the mid-late 19th century after the abolition of serfdom and
            reforms of Alexander II.
            But the 1st World War and then the Bolshevik Revolution slowed down
            natural process.
            After the 90s, semi-state oligarchic capitalism developed,
            based on natural resources. Capitalism of the Latin American type.
            It is ineffective for modern industrial development.
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 5 September 2020 01: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Russia simply has not reached developed capitalism yet
              for historical reasons. Capitalism developed rapidly
              from the mid-late 19th century after the abolition of serfdom and
              reforms of Alexander II.

              Your position is clear to me. I cannot agree with her, in my opinion Russia has no chances for "developed capitalism". But this is a topic that requires a separate discussion. Here it will be a cruel flood.
              In essence, I will say that the successes of the Chinese cosmonautics (by the way, the invasion of Western capitalism into China in the late 19th century produced the same devastating consequences for China as perestroika for the USSR) will certainly stimulate the Americans to move.
              So a new race with space awaits us. Which, in my opinion, only benefits the whole world.
              Here I wish success to the United States and China and everyone else.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 5 September 2020 15: 34 New
                0
                by the way, the invasion of Western capitalism into China at the end of the 19th century produced as devastating consequences for China as perestroika for the USSR

                Incomparable things. Let me remind you that "the invasion of Western capitalism in China at the end of the 19th century" took place from the outside, after two lost opium wars. In fact, it was about a colony, like India.
                The union approached the collapse of the economy and the leadership tried to reform it, with an eye on the market reforms in China.
                It didn't work out, a lot of contradictions accumulated. The same Baltic states, obviously, never considered themselves a part of the USSR, forcibly “incorporated” only 50 years ago.
                But full-fledged market relations on the Western (or Chinese) model have not been built. The property began to be dismantled by those who are stronger: bandits, "siloviks" (who quickly found a common language), businessmen who knew how to interact with both.
                What kind of multi-billion dollar investments on the Chinese model could we talk about?
            2. gsev
              gsev 5 September 2020 23: 16 New
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Capitalism developed rapidly
              from the mid-late 19th century after the abolition of serfdom and
              reforms of Alexander II.

              As far as I know, at that time, the production of the most important products in Russia fell by 20 percent .. Development began only after the successful assassination attempt on Alexander II, when Russia was frozen.
              Here is how the share of Russia in the world iron smelting changed:
              1861 - 3,9%
              1870 - 3,0%
              1880 - 2,5%
              1890 - 3,4%
              1900 - 7,1%
              1909 - 4,7%
              Recently, on the Internet, they try not to provide detailed production statistics before Alexander II, during his time and after him. Russian history textbooks published during Stalin's lifetime were more honest in this regard.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 6 September 2020 00: 35 New
                0
                This is all insignificant.
                Under Nicholas I, Russia was still a classical feudal country. Under Alexander II, capitalism began. Without the abolition of slavery - serfdom - the industrial breakthrough would have been impossible. And all sorts of ups and downs along the way, they are always present.
            3. gsev
              gsev 6 September 2020 12: 06 New
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              But the 1st World War and then the Bolshevik Revolution slowed down
              natural process.

              Before Alexander I, the Russian Empire, in addition to the Crimean War, successfully fought with all opponents. The Russian army had its own weapons, which allowed it to fight on an equal footing with all of Europe. In the Crimean war against Russia there was a military alliance of Great Britain, Italy, France, Turkey, when Austria-Hungary was ready to start a war against Russia. Russia approached the First World War without the ability to provide itself with heavy artillery, its own aircraft engines, and trucks. That is, in fact, before 1, there was a decline in Russia and the transfer of its factories to foreign owners. Roughly the same thing happens after 1917. All Putin's successes are similar to those of Alexander III, who froze Russia. The Russian-speaking segment of the Internet is filled with panegyrics about the great reforms of the time of Alexander II without laying out statistical data on what really happened then. Although it is known that statistics in the 1991th century in Russia were quite accurate and honest.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 6 September 2020 12: 18 New
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                "the success of Alexander 3, who froze Russia" ///
                ----
                Frost always leads to stagnation.
                Alexander the 3rd is no exception.
                Russia received from its freeze the Revolution of 1905 and Tsushima.
                Nicholas II only inherited the freeze, not trying to carry out the simplest social reforms. They were carried out with the blood of the 2 revolution.
                1. gsev
                  gsev 6 September 2020 13: 44 New
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Nicholas II only inherited the freeze,

                  Perhaps the revolution of 1917 was caused precisely by Stolypin's ill-considered and adventurous reforms. In principle, the reforms of Alexander II killed the metallurgical industry of the Urals, Stolypin's reforms ruined masses of initiative peasants, who were provoked to resettle in the Far East and ruin.
        2. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 4 September 2020 23: 39 New
          +1
          In the last launch, the stage flew a second time.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 September 2020 00: 23 New
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            Thanks for the amendment.
  18. Lesorub
    Lesorub 4 September 2020 17: 31 New
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    China successfully launches reusable spacecraft

    At one time in the USSR there were good projects of reusable use "Spiral" and MTK-VP, maybe they were inferior in terms of carrying capacity, but they could run like elevators!

  19. smart fellow
    smart fellow 4 September 2020 18: 21 New
    +2
    China said in 2017 that it intends to test a reusable space plane in 2020.
    .
    The spaceplane project was included in the 2017 Space Transportation Roadmap published by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp. (CASC), the country's premier space contractor. The goal of developing a single-stage aerospace aircraft by 2030 was also noted. The plans also included fully reusable launch vehicles and, in about 2045, a nuclear shuttle. ...
    https://avianews.info/kitaj-provyol-sekretnyj-zapusk-mnogorazovogo-eksperimentalnogo-kosmicheskogo-korablya/
  20. DEVIL LIFE`S
    DEVIL LIFE`S 4 September 2020 19: 51 New
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    And what (who) prevents Russia from creating reusable ships?
    1. slipped
      slipped 4 September 2020 20: 37 New
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      Quote: DEVIL LIFE`S
      And what (who) prevents Russia from creating reusable ships?


      The reentry vehicle PTK NP Orel, which is now being created at RSC Energia, is reusable, allowing it to be used for up to 10 flights to near-earth orbit and up to 3 flights to the Moon. The VA contains both the cockpit with a life support system, and the engine compartment with orientation and landing engines, as well as a shock-absorbing landing gear. The first flight is scheduled for 2023.
  21. Maz
    Maz 4 September 2020 22: 41 New
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    Quote: Maz
    Fake smells like
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Sorry for off-topic, but the Chinese Su-35 was shot down by Taiwan's air defense. Video on the link below.
    The first circumstances of the destruction of the Su-35 fighter of the PRC Air Force are revealed.

    As follows from the information provided by the eastern media, the Su-35 Chinese Air Force fighter flew alongside American warships in the Taiwan region, as a result of which electronic warfare was used against it. The latter managed to disrupt the work of the global positioning system, as a result of which the Chinese pilot invaded the airspace of the PRC, and after only 28 seconds he was shot down by the Patriot complex.


    It is known that an anti-aircraft guided missile exploded at a distance from the Su-35 fighter, as a result of which the pilot still managed to keep the combat vehicle in the sky for some time, re-entering the airspace of China, however, the damage was so significant that the pilot had to catapult.

    https://avia.pro/news/amerikanskie-kompleksy-reb-oglushili-istrebitel-su-35-posle-etogo-sbili

    There is no official confirmation of this information from the Chinese military command at the moment. At the same time, in Taiwan itself, statements have already appeared that the island's army did not use air defense means against Chinese aviation. Also, the information that the fighters of the Chinese Air Force violated the air borders of Taiwan has not been confirmed.

    Experts in Asia note that the publication of information about the "downed Su-35 of the Chinese Air Force" may be a provocation or a banal lie in order to heat up the already difficult situation in relations between Beijing and Taipei.

    At the same time, materials appear where it is stated about the ejected Chinese pilot, who is in serious condition. To clarify these reports, it is worth waiting for the official statements of the representative of the PRC Ministry of Defense.
  22. Shore Cannes
    Shore Cannes 6 September 2020 08: 52 New
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    Well, the Chinese pulled up with a reusable ship, and Sawkosmos with a "trampoline genius" continues to cut the day ...., a spaceship with a VARP engine, which "certainly" will be ready by 20 .......... year.
  23. Klingon
    Klingon 6 September 2020 10: 23 New
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    Quote: Greenwood
    In Russia there is medieval semi-feudal "capitalism", from which Europe grew up long ago, but we, alas, did not.

    here "Capitalism" (if such a state of the Russian economy can be called that at all) is a product of prison capitalism of the 90s based on druzhbani, lads, collectors, bribery and the withdrawal of money to offshore