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The heads of government of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus discussed the logistics of using Russian ports for transshipment of goods for Belarus

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On the eve of the Prime Minister of Belarus and Russia discussed logistics issues within the Union State. One of the main issues is related to the redirection of goods within the framework of Belarusian imports and exports from the ports of Lithuania and Ukraine to the ports of the Russian Federation.


It would seem that this issue with the logistics of using the ports of the Russian Federation should have been resolved long ago, since Belarus positioned itself as an allied state of Russia, but Alexander Lukashenko has all recently tried to act from the opposite - to increase the transshipment of goods through the ports of the same Ukraine and Lithuania. But now, when the chair under Lukashenka swayed against the background of mass protests, the Belarusian leadership suddenly remembered about real allied relations and about Russian ports too ...

Mikhail Mishustin, who is on a visit to Minsk, reminded his Belarusian colleague that Russia is ready to provide Belarus with a number of discounts when using the railway routes for delivering oil products to Belarus from Russian ports. However, at the same time, economists say that for Minsk "it will still be economically unprofitable." It is stated that the delivery of the same oil products through the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda is cheaper for Belarus.

But here, as they say, the Belarusian authorities need to choose. You can continue to try to flirt with the same Lithuania, which was one of the first to introduce anti-Belarusian sanctions, or you can follow the path of building a truly union state - not in words, but in deeds.

Vladimir Putin has repeatedly noted that only a high degree of integration can provide the greatest economic benefits to Belarus. However, even today the republican economy is more than actively subsidized by Russia. The total volume of investments in recent years is more than $ 100 billion.

Let us remind you that a few days ago Alexander Lukashenko promised to "put Lithuania in its place", instructing the Council of Ministers of the Republic of Belarus to work out anti-Lithuanian sanctions with a refusal to use Lithuanian ports.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 4 September 2020 06: 30
    15
    Lithuania was showing off!
    One of the main issues is related to the redirection of goods within the framework of Belarusian imports and exports from the ports of Lithuania and Ukraine to the ports of the Russian Federation.

    Themselves evil Pinocchio!
    Oh, and it hurts to pinch their butt!
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 4 September 2020 06: 32
      -15 qualifying.
      everything will be fine - Lithuania is ahead of the rest ..
      we look at the tariffs of Lithuania for transportation to Kaliningrad and through Poland. partners know how to bargain
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 4 September 2020 06: 33
        +6
        Quote: antivirus
        Lithuania is ahead of the rest

        ... gallops ahead of the locomotive!
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 4 September 2020 06: 37
          +4
          Yes, Luke threw a hedgehog into Lithuania's pants. yes
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 4 September 2020 09: 12
            +2
            Eh, Old Man ...
            You are late.
            1. Adam Khomich
              Adam Khomich 4 September 2020 09: 24
              +6
              Quote: Shurik70
              You are late.

              Better later than never!
              As history has shown, Lithuania tried to arrange a coup d'etat for the money of Belarus (paid to Lithuania for transit)! This is fun :-)
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 4 September 2020 09: 36
                +4
                But the multi-vector was warned for decades - you are looking for friends in the wrong place
                1. Magus
                  Magus 6 September 2020 01: 50
                  +9
                  Quote: Pereira
                  But the multi-vector was warned for decades - you are looking for friends in the wrong place

                  Warned, but until the rooster pecked him, he did not heed our warnings
              2. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 4 September 2020 10: 24
                0
                Everything is extremely simple: either profit, or friendship and union. I think Rygorych simply has no choice now but friendship and union: the "profitable" partners just wanted to throw him off and execute him. Well, Russian friends should be concerned that friendship and union do not become disastrous for Belarus and Belarusians.
                As for the Baltic "powerful" mongrels, they will soon have not to bark and try to bite, but whine pitifully because of the losses. And rightly so!
                1. Deck
                  Deck 4 September 2020 13: 32
                  -3
                  The Ministry of Trade of Belarus adopted a resolution banning the sale of crab sticks on the territory of the state. The department justified its decision by an incorrect combination of product colors.

                  “When they try to tear our country to pieces from both sides, we cannot allow to tear sticks with a symbol hostile to every Belarusian into pieces. Moreover, we all know who the crab is, ”the ministry's press service said.
                2. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 4 September 2020 18: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  Everything is extremely simple: either profit, or friendship and union. I think Rygorych simply has no choice now but friendship and union: the "profitable" partners just wanted to throw him off and execute him. Well, Russian friends should be concerned that friendship and union do not become disastrous for Belarus and Belarusians.
                  As for the Baltic "powerful" mongrels, they will soon have not to bark and try to bite, but whine pitifully because of the losses. And rightly so!

                  "Rygorych" does everything right, that's why they want to demolish it, - it has benefits, and friendship, and an alliance. And it is categorically impossible to unite them with the Russian Federation, otherwise our oligarchs will buy everything in the bud (as in the Crimea, for example) and instead of Belarusian sweets I will eat the domestic shit of our oligarchs. I don’t want to, however.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 6 September 2020 00: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    and instead of Belarusian sweets I will eat the domestic shit of our oligarchs. I don’t want to, however.

                    .... no one forces you
                    eat domestic shit
                    eat, "Belarusian" shrimps and mussels .... however, if in Belarus happens what happened in Ukraine in 2014, you will have to
                    eat domestic shit
                    however, no one cares about that ...
                    1. Magus
                      Magus 6 September 2020 01: 55
                      10
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      if what happened in Ukraine in 2014 happens in Belarus

                      It won't happen. The enemies of the Eastern Slavs miscalculated. Belarusians do not want to live in a country ruled by a Polish hyena.
                3. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 6 September 2020 00: 34
                  -2
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  Well, Russian friends should be concerned that friendship and union do not become disastrous for Belarus and Belarusians.

                  Look how it is ... again the Russian Federation is to someone, it owes something and worries for someone ...
                  The President of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Russian Federation should first of all worry about the Russian people, and not about
                  Belarus and Belarusians

                  And if the people of Belarus do not want to live with the Russian Federation in the same Union, then they may later be at its creation
                  friendship and union did not become disastrous for
                  for the Russian Federation and the Russian people ...
                  The Russian Federation should not become a "prison of peoples" for its "brotherly" peoples, .....
                  "profitable" partners just wanted to throw him off and execute him

                  Old man with his multi-vector nature will throw anyone he likes ...
                  Everything is extremely simple: either profit, or friendship and union

                  At the moment, the "Union" of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation is already as 1/4 century profitable only RB, but about pseudo friendship and about pseudo alliance of the Old Man for receiving any help from anyone, even from the Bald Devil he can talk for hours ...
                4. Magus
                  Magus 6 September 2020 01: 52
                  10
                  Lukashenka now has only one possible choice and that is friendship with Russia.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 6 September 2020 09: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Magus
                    Lukashenka now has only one possible choice and that is friendship with Russia.

                    This is understandable to everyone, and this is the only reasonable choice not only for Lukashenka, but for the entire people of the Republic of Belarus, for this we do not need any Union State (we have few ploso working Unions - the CIS, the CSTO, the EAC, where the beneficiary is by and large anyone , but not the Russian Federation), sufficiently strong and exclusive military, economic, social and economic relations ... If we are to create a Confederation between the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine, then only after constitutional and economic reforms have been carried out in these countries ... otherwise it will be USSR-0.2. sample of the late 80s of the last century ...
              3. Magus
                Magus 6 September 2020 01: 48
                11
                Quote: adam khomich
                Lithuania, for the money of Belarus (paid to Lithuania for transit) tried to arrange a coup d'etat to Father!

                It was for such cases that they were refused transit. Now let's see how "strong" their economy is)))
          2. Magus
            Magus 6 September 2020 01: 46
            10
            Quote: LIONnvrsk
            Yes, Luke threw a hedgehog into Lithuania's pants. yes

            Let them poke around now with a hedgehog in their pants bully
        2. hrych
          hrych 4 September 2020 06: 54
          10
          Quote: Victor_B
          ... gallops ahead of the locomotive!

          A locomotive or the same steam locomotive can be placed in front or behind the train. On a piece of iron, this does not matter, so the saying is flawed. It comes from the correct, they say, the cart is in front of the horse. In general, the Balts and Poles, sensing Russian blood, fell into a trance. Now the hangover will cover them. For Lithuania and Latvia, this is just a disaster, and Poland will suffer greatly. Belarus was still a kind of smuggler, where the legalization of goods was going on, the fishing and agricultural industries first. These schemes are yok. Belarus also speculated in our oil, taking advantage of the privilege. This scheme also turned out to be billions. Everything is ok. Whole branches (remaining) at the sprat will die. Hundreds of thousands of unemployed people amid a decline in the EU's need for gaster. Disaster is brewing. The EU is already on its way, Brexit alone is worth something. If the EU collapses in the forests of Belarus, i.e. The Fourth Reich, it will be highly symbolic. As this Reich was marked on the ruins of the USSR, it was in Belovezhia. And we did not start the economic war, but we will finish.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 4 September 2020 06: 59
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            A locomotive or the same steam locomotive can be placed in front or behind the train. On a piece of iron, this does not matter, so the saying is flawed. It comes from the correct, they say, the cart is in front of the horse.

            Just an analogue: "Oh Pug, to know she is strong ..."
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 September 2020 07: 03
              +7
              Do not slander Pug wassat She only barked for advertising purposes, and these mustachioed Elephant wanted ... to fill up. The elephant was offended, agreed with the Mammoth, and the two of them drove in such a bunch along the way that someone would drown wassat
          2. Shumri
            Shumri 4 September 2020 08: 40
            +3
            The locomotive behind can only perform shunting work, and with a speed limit.
          3. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 4 September 2020 09: 29
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            Now the hangover will cover them.

            If the dad doesn't change his mind.
            1. Magus
              Magus 6 September 2020 01: 57
              +9
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Quote: hrych
              Now the hangover will cover them.

              If the dad doesn't change his mind.

              Will not change his mind. The time for wagging is over.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 September 2020 09: 13
          0
          Quote: Victor_B
          ..the steam locomotive gallops ahead!

          Mares.
      2. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 4 September 2020 08: 51
        0
        This is no longer trade, this is politics and the strategic security of my homeland. Let's admit it yourself - which is more important to you?
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 4 September 2020 09: 34
          +1
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          This is no longer trade, this is politics and the strategic security of my homeland.

          Belarus can have strategic security only if it maintains good relations with Russia. Europe needs a consumer, not a competitor in the market, so the entire industry will be strangled,
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 4 September 2020 10: 19
            +1
            Sure. There is nothing to even talk about.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 6 September 2020 00: 44
          -1
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          This is no longer trade, this is politics and the strategic security of my homeland. Let's admit it yourself - which is more important to you?

          Of course
          strategic security
          Russia ... first of all ...
      3. Magus
        Magus 6 September 2020 01: 45
        +9
        Quote: antivirus
        everything will be fine - Lithuania is ahead of the rest

        Of course ahead. Her number is the first from the end)))
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 4 September 2020 06: 33
      -6
      Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
      Minsk-Ust-Luga 780km
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 4 September 2020 06: 34
        11
        Quote: Thrall
        Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
        Minsk-Ust-Luga 780km

        And who is easy now? ...
      2. hrych
        hrych 4 September 2020 06: 40
        22
        Two to three hours delay, reduced tariff and everyone is happy. Russian Railways are happy, Ust-Luga to the eyeballs, new terminals, new jobs. And in Klaipeda ... pachel, longing. Do not forget that Old Man was a smuggler. There is also a shadow economy. Fish and Baltic agricultural products on the Russian market, as they threw theirs. Alleeeee.
        1. halpat
          halpat 4 September 2020 07: 10
          +3
          Quote: hrych
          Two to three hours delay, reduced tariff and everyone is happy. Russian Railways are happy, Ust-Luga to the eyeballs, new terminals, new jobs. And in Klaipeda ... pachel, longing. Do not forget that Old Man was a smuggler. There is also a shadow economy. Fish and Baltic agricultural products on the Russian market, as they threw theirs. Alleeeee.

          Yes, there is not only Ust-Luga.
          Last year, several projects were announced to build terminals for transshipment of fertilizers and petroleum products in the Leningrad region. I didn’t find it right away, but the volumes were announced there.
          Westerners always underestimate Russia's size.
          These possibilities are simply not available for them to understand. As an average person with a salary of 60 thousand rubles, you cannot imagine what 100 billion rubles is.
          1. uav80
            uav80 4 September 2020 07: 43
            +5
            This is about the construction of a grain terminal in the port in Vysotsk with a capacity of 4 million tons per year. The commissioning date is 2023, at the first stage it is planned to build a sea transshipment terminal, which will include two berths for ships and a grain storage facility. And also a coal transshipment terminal with a total annual cargo turnover of up to 15 million tons per year.

            And EuroChem was supposed to build a terminal just in Ust-Luga by 2022 ...
            1. halpat
              halpat 4 September 2020 08: 00
              +4
              Quote: uav80
              This is about the construction of a grain terminal in the port in Vysotsk with a capacity of 4 million tons per year. The commissioning date is 2023, at the first stage it is planned to build a sea transshipment terminal, which will include two berths for ships and a grain storage facility. And also a coal transshipment terminal with a total annual cargo turnover of up to 15 million tons per year.

              And EuroChem was supposed to build a terminal just in Ust-Luga by 2022 ...

              You found this is not enough :))
              That is:
              “Large investment projects for the development of terminal facilities in the North-West are concentrated in the ports of Vysotsk, Primorsk and Ust-Luga. There are indeed a lot of announced port projects in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region, says Ekaterina Kosareva, managing partner of the analytical agency WMT Consult. She calls the project of Primorskiy UPK LLC by Ilya Traber and Ramis Deberdeev as ambitious (the potential transshipment may amount to 70 million tons of cargo). In addition, the expert recalls, in 2019 it became known that Lukoil was choosing a site for the construction of a coal transshipment terminal. A number of projects also concern an increase in grain handling capacities, which, according to the analyst, is an attractive investment.
              .
              The cargo turnover of the (Russian) seaports of the Baltic basin for the six months of 2020 amounted to 127,9 million tons, with 42% of this volume provided by the port of Ust-Luga in the Leningrad region, another 23% - by the ports of St. Petersburg and Primorsk. In the future, until 2025, about 120 million tons of cargo can be handled through the new terminals of the Leningrad Region. "

              Tribalts are not just unable to do this. This is from the realm of unscientific fiction for them.
              It remains only to crap Russia, well, and beg for subsidies from the owners, so that at least not for free. And to be afraid at night under the covers ... that one day you will have to answer for this, and without any doubt.
              And Russia also has Murmansk / Arkhangelsk and Novorossiysk, and the Far East. Yes, a lot of things :)
              1. Adam Khomich
                Adam Khomich 4 September 2020 09: 35
                -1
                Quote: Halpat
                that someday you will have to answer for it

                The most unpleasant responsibility for Lithuania and other Baltic tigers is material responsibility!
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 4 September 2020 11: 48
            0
            Quote: Halpat
            Yes, there is not only Ust-Luga.

            Bronka is very close here, forty or fifty minutes on a regular train, half an hour by car.
        2. Shumri
          Shumri 4 September 2020 08: 45
          +3
          the leadership of Russian Railways is always happy, the employees are threaded bolts), I will say as an employee of Russian Railways with 13 years of experience.
      3. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 4 September 2020 06: 52
        +1
        Not a big difference.
      4. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 4 September 2020 07: 04
        +3
        Quote: Thrall
        Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
        Minsk-Ust-Luga 780km

        They promised a preferential railway tariff ... It might be more profitable to "strangle" Lithuania than to save a little money. They are very excited ... This worthless housewife will come out sideways ...
      5. arhitroll
        arhitroll 4 September 2020 08: 00
        +2
        Quote: Thrall
        Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
        Minsk-Ust-Luga 780km


        Siberia - Europe - 5000 km.
        Siberia - our Village - 0 km.
        And nothing - the gas is profitable ...
        1. Rubi0
          Rubi0 4 September 2020 08: 55
          0
          Europe 400 million of the population of the premium market, your village is 2 grandmothers, and then in 10 years there will be no more, well, you can still, in principle, build schools for 1000 students in the same village for 2 houses, why is there ... an airport is built and each charter grandma laughing
      6. NDR-791
        NDR-791 4 September 2020 08: 49
        -2
        Quote: Thrall
        Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
        Minsk-Ust-Luga 780km

        Even if the price for this difference rises, it will trade inside but father at the old prices, but diesel fuel for Ukrop tanks will become more expensive. For this and discounts are not a pity.
      7. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 4 September 2020 09: 15
        +2
        The main cost is not in transportation, but in unloading and loading operations and storage
      8. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 6 September 2020 00: 46
        -1
        Quote: Thrall
        Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
        Minsk-Ust-Luga 780km

        Thanks for the lessons in logistics and geography ...
        Old Man can always return to
        Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
        fulfilling the political requirements of Lithuania ...
    3. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 4 September 2020 06: 36
      +6
      Quote: Victor_B
      Oh, and it hurts to pinch their butt!


      With all his desire, if he hadn't been close to friendly (allied) Russia, he wouldn't have pinched anything ...
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 4 September 2020 12: 44
        0
        Quote: BDRM 667
        don't be close to friendly (allied) Russia,

        Everything is simple: there would be neither Father, nor Belarus - just a bunch of zmagars in Polish citizenship. yes
    4. Finches
      Finches 4 September 2020 06: 51
      +9
      The Balts are desperately dumping in order to stay afloat, as their idiotic foreign policy in the interests of American business allowed us to build a modern multifunctional port in the Baltic from a small coal berth in Ust-Luga, which gradually collects all transits ... - and for those suffering from pro-American sentiments Belarusian experts, I want to say that a miser pays twice, for example, the same Klaipeda!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 4 September 2020 07: 04
        +8
        This is how Ust-Luga is growing, increasing the turnover. In addition, Vyborg and Vysotsk have also increased since the non-Balts have become clever. At least in our area, improvements began to occur.
        1. Finches
          Finches 4 September 2020 07: 10
          13
          What are we talking about! They began to rebuild Ust-Luga in 2001 - Uncle Vova is still a far-sighted politician, he calculated everything correctly that the Balts, even if they suddenly become wiser from the American Kukan, will still not be able to get off ... Now Ust-Luga cannot be recognized, this is the very window to Europe, which Peter the Great even conceived in his strategic plans - the continuation of the historical imperial policy of Russia - this is what infuriates the Anglo-Saxons and their bedding! And the Belarusians - we are Russians, well, not under the Anglo-Saxons they lie ... What can be incomprehensible here?
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 4 September 2020 07: 16
            +7
            It turns out that the envious of our ports read our comments! lol
            1. Finches
              Finches 4 September 2020 07: 20
              +8
              Yes, on the VO, recently, national traitors and all-footed people have been divorced like fleas on a homeless dog - on the one hand it amuses, and on the other, it prompts the idea of ​​the mental health of these participants in our dialogues ... And there are enough minusomaniacs, if not put a minus on VO in the morning, the day was not working, then laughing
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 4 September 2020 07: 27
                +7
                There are commentators from these republics, maybe these losses are unpleasant for them, but the Russophobia of the Baltic rulers has long been sick. request
                1. Finches
                  Finches 4 September 2020 07: 31
                  +5
                  From the fact that they put a minus here, they are still unlikely to grow wiser - Russophobia is the only achievement of the Baltic republics in thirty years of independence [from reason and self-esteem] laughing
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 September 2020 09: 37
              +2
              Quote: Reptiloid
              It turns out that the envious of our ports read our comments!

              These are not envious people, but pests.
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 4 September 2020 08: 51
            +9
            Not only Ust Luga is developing. After the collapse of the union, we lost Klaipeda, Riga, Tallinn, at the World Cup - Odessa, Nikolaev, Mariupol, Crimean ports, Sukhumi. Batumi, Poti. Accordingly, the entire network of seaports and cargo transportation had to be rebuilt.
            Ust Luga and the Bronka sea transshipment point have been built from scratch in the Baltic Sea, we are developing the ports of Primorsk and Vysotsk, and a project for a new deep-water port in the Kaliningrad region is underway.
            Murmansk is developing in the Arctic Ocean, a project is underway for a new deep-water port of Arkhangelsk, a port of Sabetta has been built, big money is being invested in the development of the NSR and ports on it, icebreakers are being built.
            At the World Cup - the Crimean ports were returned, the port of Novorossiysk is developing, the port of Taman was built.
            In the Caspian, the port of Olya and the sea version of the north-south corridor are being developed.
            On TO - Vanino, Kozmino, port Vera. I hope that construction of the bridge to Sakhalin will begin soon. The railway there has already changed to our track, after the laying of the railway to the bridge and the construction of the bridge, ice-free ports in the south of Sakhalin will become available.
            In general, a lot of money is invested in the development of ports in all sea regions. And you have to understand. that this is what will remain after our generation in the country. These ports will serve and develop for centuries. Most of the large cities in the world emerged as nodes of the trade network and most often the sea. PM is a good incentive for the development of regions in general. request
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 September 2020 09: 54
              -1
              Quote: g1v2
              Murmansk is developing on the SLO

              The port of Lavna is under construction, they promised to start up in 2019, but they cannot find a contractor for the construction there. Lavna Commercial Sea Port LLC declared invalid the tender for concluding a contract for the development of documentation and construction of a specialized coal transshipment complex "Lavna". The only participant in the competition was the company "Yamata Yatirim Insaat Tourism ve Tijaret Anonymous Shirketi" (Istanbul, Turkey). However, the company's application was filed with violations and therefore rejected.
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 4 September 2020 17: 47
                +1
                Coal terminals in theory, and so many are being built. Coal prices have dropped this year. Plus decbonization on the march. Everyone is fighting coal burning and so on. China is closing coal plants and reducing its coal production. Fortunately, he does the second one faster than the first, and our coal miners are still using it. PM projects for new coal terminals have become more controversial financially.
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 4 September 2020 09: 56
              +1
              But there could be cooperation. with the RF And mutually beneficial relations with the former republics of the USSR. Time has shown that the development took place under the USSR, and after secession - difficulties in the republics.
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 4 September 2020 17: 55
                +4
                For any victorious separatists, the main enemy, or at least the danger, is the former metropolis. Therefore, the elites of those republics where separatism and nationalism flourished even during the union, were ready for any losses just to exclude a return to the common state. To be a prince or a boyar in their specific principality is much more attractive for them than a regional official in a large empire. There is no need to be afraid that serious uncles will come from the capital and will not tie them like Geyser, Khloponin or Furgal. There is no one to be afraid of - everything is under you, practically nobody is above you. Beauty. Well, the population will be told about the evil Russians who terribly tyrannized and oppressed them. Well, as soon as they put an end to the Russian language, the ties in general will become thinner and the population of the countries will become strangers to each other. At the same time, local historical mythology will take root and strengthen itself. Well, everyone will get used to difficulties. The surplus population will flee beyond the cordon, again. This is the picture of the world for local elites. request
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 4 September 2020 18: 16
                  +2
                  This is understandable. Especially with regard to the former Soviet nomenclature-bureaucracy. After all, after Stalin's death, these phenomena began to grow and instead of working for the state, the bureaucracy began to work for itself and reproduce itself. Social elevators stopped working. For too long and diligently the nomenklptura went to power, destroying the USSR, in order to give up these benefits later.
                  1. g1v2
                    g1v2 4 September 2020 22: 02
                    +2
                    This is true, but another must be admitted. The system was built in such a way that these people made their way to the top and created a critical mass. And there were no mechanisms for protecting and balancing the state structure. The system in which the entire leadership turned out to be the enemy of this system was clearly wrong. An example - after the collapse of the union, most of the republics were headed by the former leaders of the party and the Komsomol. Who preached until recently the wisdom of Marxism and the greatness of the Leninist party. And did they start building communism somewhere? Even Lukashenka's "socialism" is fundamentally capitalist. That is, the entire leadership of the CPSU and the Communist Parties of the republics, as well as the leaders of more or less large structures, did not believe that they were preaching and working to destroy their country. Once this happened, it means that the structure of upbringing, education, propaganda and the political system of the country as a whole was built with mistakes and serious vulnerabilities. Well this is a simple logical conclusion. And it is imperative to take into account the mistakes of the past. To build a system of power, society and law enforcement agencies so that such people either cannot break through to the top, or have no opportunity to harm the state, or so that it is not beneficial for them. The elite must be nurtured, educated and stimulated. Then the system will be much more stable, and the country will be stronger, richer and more comfortable. My IMHO - I do not impose. hi
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 4 September 2020 22: 55
                      +2
                      .... the elite must be raised .....
                      lol I don't even know what to say to that. In order to grow someone, there must be suitable material for growing. Is it among the current elite? request If he is outside the elite, he will be strangled, trampled. There are no social elevators.
                      Stalin had a defense mechanism --- purges. ((Here echoes the article about Stalin)) ...
                      However, did not have time to clean out all the relevant ones. He died somehow quickly after the Plenum. ???
                      And Trotsky wrote back in 1938 that the desire to unite power and wealth will always be and the nomenklatura will switch to imperialism for this. ((Approximately)) And Stalin said ----damn caste
                      How to raise the elite? Unclear. But now it is clear, in hindsight, how all sorts of destroyers of the USSR were raised purposefully.
                      In 1965, it seems, an amazing book by the writer Kochetov was published, in which he described how, by whom, the destruction of the USSR would take place, how to raise these traitors and indifferent. And this process was already going on then, probably, few people understood this plan, except for the future Russian bourgeois ... I will go to that article hi .
                      1. g1v2
                        g1v2 5 September 2020 02: 37
                        +3
                        Youth are raw material. Elite must be molded from childhood. The British have been doing this for centuries. First, schools for the elite, where they teach the main principle "I see the goal - I see no obstacles." Further colleges, then universities. And the result was specific human material - ready-made managers who didn't care what to lead - a company, a ministry or a colony. People with a British-centered view of the world, confident that their homeland is the center of the world.
                        Another example is the Chinese tradition of bureaucracy. Schools, educational institutions and mandatory exams for even the simplest position. AND AGAIN ANY CHINESE IS SURE THAT ONLY THE PANEL IS THE CENTER OF THE WORLD, AND BEYOND IT IS WILDHOOD AND BARBARITY. Chinese educated in Europe or the United States go home to attain high positions at home. Because it is there for them such a center.
                        Both are successful examples of the education of the elite. Stupidly copying someone else's style will not work, but you can use someone else's work. The elite must be led from childhood. Starting from the cadet, Suvorov and Nakhimov schools. Further academies and universities with competent brainwashing. Next - tracking the successes and failures of graduates with a sorting of the best candidates for career advancement, etc. At the same time, constant control over the moral character and loyalty to their state, in order to sift candidates at each career jump. Again, my IMHO - I do not impose. hi
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 5 September 2020 07: 03
                        +1
                        The Chinese and the Americans somehow inspire the non-elites that they themselves are the best countries.
                      3. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 5 September 2020 08: 31
                        +1
                        Have the children of the Soviet elite become managers? I do not know. But many are decent people.
                        But Stas Namin, grandson, began to sing songs. ((Clip "Aurora"))
                      4. g1v2
                        g1v2 7 September 2020 13: 15
                        +2
                        A good person is not a profession. The children of the Soviet elite were all sorts. There were those who continued the labor dynasties, and there were plenty of golden youth. The same Galina Brezhneva came off no weaker than Ksyusha Sobchak for her time. But this is not about that. The elite are managers. These are the ones. who leads other people. After graduating from college, a young summer is already a small part of the elite. A businessman with a dozen employees, too. When the elite is country-oriented, the common people are brainwashed in the right direction. And when the "city on a hill" for the elite is abroad, then the townsfolk adopt it and also dream of how to get rid of. How many shoots to the west were at one time, and loud. The consequence of this is mass migration when the borders were opened.
                        In general, for me the most surreal was an interview with a governor, who at one time was a KGB officer and guarded Gorbachev during his visit abroad. The most important . what occupied his thoughts - how to snatch the time and run off to buy a two-cassette tape recorder. This is not just an elite - it is a KGB officer guarding the country's first person in an enemy country. But all his thoughts are not occupied with their duty, but with the purchase of things. I bought it and now remembers not what honor and mission was given to him, but how he grabbed the magician. And this, in fact, was a verdict for the then Soviet elite. Alas. request
                      5. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 7 September 2020 13: 22
                        0
                        I read about Mikoyan's descendants. Children --- yes, they are stupid people. And Stas Namin in Semin's video "Aurora" is simply interesting. ((Sarcasm
                        Here on VO there were also biographies. War time.
    5. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 6 September 2020 00: 56
      0
      Quote: Finches
      And the Belarusians are Russians, well, they don't lie under the Anglo-Saxons ...

      All (except for Serbs and Belarusians so far) Eastern and Southern Slavs are already in the EU and NATO, B-52s are already flying over Ukraine (where the same "Russians" live) and are practicing strikes against the Russian Federation ....
  • Magus
    Magus 6 September 2020 01: 44
    +9
    Quote: Victor_B
    Themselves evil Pinocchio!
    Oh, and it hurts to pinch their butt!

    It's your own fault. There is nothing to build out of yourself as "great" and "invincible"
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 September 2020 06: 36
    +5
    Let's just see ... plans are plans, in real life different "miracles" can occur!
    Moreover, there are enough "miracles" from all sides!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 4 September 2020 08: 01
      +3
      It seems to me that LAS is a vindictive person. He will not forgive inciting opposition against him. None of the neighbors.
      Quote: rocket757
      Let's just see ... plans are plans, in real life different "miracles" can occur!
      Moreover, there are enough "miracles" from all sides!
      good morning Victor! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 September 2020 08: 08
        +2
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        Quote: Reptiloid
        LAS ---- human

        This is true. People are different ... there is a category of those who easily forgive everyone the good they did for him !!!
        My opinion is unchanged, this person is the source of many problems for later, if not immediately and finally ....... the problem is not solved!
        No need to leave one more DISCONNECTION !!! we already have enough of them.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 4 September 2020 08: 56
          +3
          Yes, Victor! We discussed this with you. As you said, what to sharpen about the past should be about the future. In this case, it just fits. An analysis of what happened, of course, needs to be done, but the main thing is to improve relations between our countries.
          And the revenge of the Arab League, if he shows it to those countries ----- will please me laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 September 2020 09: 21
            +1
            Vindictiveness is a VICTIM, too often leading to dire consequences .... for a serious leader, UNACCEPTABLE!
            My opinion is on vices, on other people's troubles, etc. Nothing good HAPPENS.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 4 September 2020 09: 28
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Vindictiveness is a VICTIM, too often leading to dire consequences .... for a serious leader, UNACCEPTABLE!
              My opinion is on vices, on other people's troubles, etc. Nothing good HAPPENS.

              Then so ---- let it be just retribution, not vengeance. After all, the Arab League itself did not want to bring discord to any neighboring countries.
              There are reasons for him to understand the mistakes of his multi-vector nature.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 4 September 2020 10: 12
                +1
                I confirm, acceptable, justified, logical.
                On what many, not bad people get unexpected troubles !!! Have not learned how to correctly express their thoughts, designate desires and preferences.
                In different situations, in different ways ... but, in general, it is necessary to carefully select words and expressions.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 September 2020 06: 38
    +4
    It is stated that the delivery of the same oil products through the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda is cheaper for Belarus.
    ... It is enough to look at the geographical map.
    Mikhail Mishustin, who is on a visit to Minsk, reminded his Belarusian colleague that Russia is ready to provide Belarus with a number of discounts when using the railway routes for delivering oil products to Belarus from Russian ports.
    ... This is natural and the discounts will be substantial ... Otherwise, the announced sanctions against Lithuania will be zero ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 4 September 2020 06: 49
      -15 qualifying.
      Mikhail Mishustin, who is on a visit to Minsk, reminded his Belarusian colleague that Russia is ready to provide Belarus with a number of discounts when using the railway routes for delivering oil products to Belarus from Russian ports.

      "And I dream, Mikhalych, that you are in red panties on a camomile field. And you beckon so, beckon ..."
      (From the humor project "Our R ...")
      laughing
  • Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 4 September 2020 06: 38
    +9
    Here she is a multi-vector Batkina, tried to be pretty for everyone and even went to deteriorate relations with Russia, so she received gratitude from the Baltic states with Ukraine.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 4 September 2020 06: 55
      +3
      The Baltics and Ukraine do nothing without a signal because of a puddle. As well as Poland, by the way.
  • U-Gin78
    U-Gin78 4 September 2020 06: 39
    +4
    The development of economic relations between Russia and Belarus is extremely necessary for both countries.
    To us to strengthen positions in foreign policy, Belarus to preserve statehood.
    If only they do not get bogged down in negotiations again and the strategy of "one step forward and two back", of which there are much more examples than acceptable. News is a plus.
  • mark1
    mark1 4 September 2020 06: 40
    +6
    The total volume of investments in recent years is more than $ 100 billion.
    Don't feed the wolf, it still looks into the forest
    ... Old Man will run away from us as soon as the West guesses. what is good with Lukashenka (and what exactly with him)
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 4 September 2020 06: 58
      +7
      It will be so if the West once tells him with a phrase from the film:
      "No matter how much they pay you, I will pay twice as much."
  • apro
    apro 4 September 2020 06: 46
    +7
    If we ignore the noise, then the picture for the Baltics will be sad. The transport infrastructure will collapse without cargo. The refusal of RV and RB to use ports makes them unprofitable. I think this was originally conceived.
  • askort154
    askort154 4 September 2020 06: 54
    +7
    Alexander Lukashenko has all recently tried to act from the opposite - to increase the transshipment of goods through the ports of the same Ukraine and Lithuania. But now, when the chair under Lukashenka swayed against the background of mass protests, the Belarusian leadership suddenly remembered about real allied relations and about Russian ports too ...

    Luka is not only a blackmailer, but also a clever acrobat - he twists somersaults without a trampoline. And at meetings with Mishustin, in front of the camera, he shone like a polished samovar, spewing out continuous praises to Russia. It seemed that even a moment later he would start kissing the bald head of the Russian prime minister. Apparently, he got a good loan from Russia. In Luke, duplicity is vividly expressed - a despot and a flatterer. But Russia has to endure him and that.
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 4 September 2020 06: 57
    +8
    We must unite, comrades. SHOULD. The stronger we are, the weaker our enemies are.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 4 September 2020 08: 18
    +4
    Quote: Thrall
    Minsk-Klaipeda 500km
    Minsk-Ust-Luga 780km

    Why are you measuring from Minsk? And not from Borisov, Mogilev or Vitebsk?
  • kit88
    kit88 4 September 2020 08: 49
    12
    Yeah.
    If not for Russia, they would have otmaidanil Batka in full. There would be "multi-vector", and "independence", and a separate cell in The Hague.
    1. Husit
      Husit 4 September 2020 16: 28
      -1
      Quote: kit88
      Yeah.
      If not for Russia, they would have otmaidanil Batka in full. There would be "multi-vector", and "independence", and a separate cell in The Hague.

      laughing good I talked, and in fact warned .. Now like silk! bully
  • APASUS
    APASUS 4 September 2020 09: 09
    +2
    Looks like dad learned to act in line with global trends? For their words it is necessary to answer and Lithuania will pay the price for the campaign. Although it is already raising the issue of shared responsibility, the Americans will be licked again
  • Campanella
    Campanella 4 September 2020 09: 56
    +2
    It is high time to wean the former limitrophes from the tits that they constantly bite. Let them switch to western milk, maybe the head will fall into place.
    1. Magus
      Magus 6 September 2020 02: 01
      +9
      Quote: Campanella
      maybe the head will fall into place.

      The head cannot snap into place if it is empty.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 4 September 2020 10: 41
    +2
    Quote: Rubi0
    Europe 400 million of the population of the premium market, your village is 2 grandmothers, and then in 10 years there will be no more, well, you can still, in principle, build schools for 1000 students in the same village for 2 houses, why is there ... an airport is built and each charter grandma laughing

    1) We don't have two grandmas here - but a lot more, plus small production. There is a problem with heating.
    2) Your option - are we going along the path of finishing off two grannies? or still for the revival - so that people want and can return even to where there are only two grannies ...
  • Husit
    Husit 4 September 2020 16: 25
    -3
    I'm sure they didn't just discuss this ..! First, the head of intelligence flew to Minsk, now our prime minister, soon Lukashenko will arrive in Moscow on a visit! They are preparing a union, this is what the West is afraid of .. And this will be the main revenge for all the nasty things !!!
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 4 September 2020 18: 29
    0
    Yes, all this would have been long ago if it were not for the greedy individual Russian hucksters, who probably broke any extortions twice as much as the Balts. If we are talking about a union state, then first of all there should be a system of discounts for an ally.
    1. Magus
      Magus 6 September 2020 02: 00
      10
      Lukashenko constantly bargained for discounts and received prices much lower than world prices
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 6 September 2020 07: 41
        0
        he should receive discounts much lower than the world ones !!! it is an ally country, a union state. And you have everything built in such a way that you need to bargain everything with shouting, noise and abuse. That is why we are marking time in the creation of full-fledged allied relations.