"Unthinkable mistakes": NATO Air Force criticized for the actions of Russian fighters

Russian fighters easily "intercept" NATO aircraft from their borders and invade the alliance's airspace, exposing the "unthinkable mistakes" of the Joint Air Force command. This is the opinion of the publicist Tom Rogan in an article for the Washington Examiner.

The author in his article examines two cases: the interception of a B-27N bomber by a Russian Su-52 over the Baltic and a similar case with a B-52N over the Black Sea. According to the journalist, the command of the Allied Air Forces in Europe commits "unthinkable mistakes" and "tactical miscalculation" by sending their bombers to the Russian borders without being accompanied by the alliance fighters. Rogan asks why the command of the Allied Air Forces, knowing about Russia's dislike of NATO flights near its borders, does not take any measures to protect their aircraft, allowing the Russians not only to intercept them, but at the same time to invade the airspace of NATO countries (Su-27 allegedly violated the Danish border).

According to the journalist, the aggressive interceptions of Russian fighters have been causing increasing concern for several months. However, the command of the OVVS does not want to react to this. According to Rogan, if European countries are not able to provide escort of American bombers and reconnaissance aircraft near Russian borders, then the United States itself should do this with the help of its F-16 fighters deployed in Germany.

Russia has been escalating tensions over the past few months. In any case, NATO fighter squadrons had to be on high alert for immediate departure for counter-interception.

- the publicist asserts.

Rogan urges US Secretary of State Mark Esper to investigate the situation with Russian fighters intercepting NATO planes. And the command of the united air force of Europe, if it does not cope with its duties, should be replaced.

Comments

[Irek]

High-capacity pampers should be worn when flying in our direction.

[Insurgent]

Full article in INOSMI: https://inosmi.ru/military/20200902/248041161.html

The author is horrified. Last week, Russia was able to successfully infiltrate the sovereign airspace of one of the NATO member states, and thus the NATO air defense communications network. The author analyzes the unthinkable strategic mistakes of NATO.

Washington Examiner (US): Russia puts NATO and US Air Force in an awkward position
02.09.2020 \

Tom Rogan

[Temples]

We waged all the wars in the opinion of these h-seas with gross mistakes.

They drove the plane away. So they did everything right.

[Thrall]

NATO motto:
- Never fight Russia. She's too weak to fight ... So she'll just kill you.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Thrall

NATO motto:
- Never fight Russia. She's too weak to fight ... So she'll just kill you.

Wedge Eastwood (C) paraphrase.

[tikhonov66]

One of the reasons why Switzerland retained its independence in medieval Europe was that there were no "knights" in Switzerland. The city was defended by a militia of "noble" origin. So what? - you ask.
- Here's what. "chivalry" has always been a very expensive business. Armor, weapons, horse, training ... All this cost money and not little. Therefore, the death of a knight in a duel was rather an accident. Knights - Knights were killed relatively rarely. At first it was not very easy, but the main thing - it was NOT PROFITABLE! After all, if a knight in a fight "surrendered to the mercy of the winner" - then he was left alive AS RULE, and his horse and armor became the property of the winner. Moreover, both the defeated one and his property could be RETURNED FOR Ransom. Therefore, medieval knightly wars - it was, as they would say today - "just business."
- But the "ignoble" militia of the Swiss cantons - these "noble" rules of knightly wars - DID NOT RECOGNIZE. Not badly armed militias - the knights attacking them. captured - NEVER TAKEN. That is, the knight's defeat in a raid on the Swiss canton was inevitable death for him. And it was obvious "barbarism" 8-)). And in the event of the defeat of the canton - neither tribute, nor ransom - the canton - WILL NOT PAY. Therefore, to arrange knightly raids on the Swiss cantons (city-states) was not only mortally dangerous, but the main thing - it was also NOT PROFITABLE - after all, even taking out the loot was by no means a trivial task - the mountainous terrain and hostile, not bad armed and trained population.

[Mytholog]

Quote: Insurgent

embarrasses NATO and the US Air Force

Everything is awkward for them, everything is not so for them. Completely spoiled)

[iouris]

Why should they be afraid?

[carstorm 11]

I can't understand everything what is in their head ... he himself says that they fly near our borders and immediately declares that it is WE who are escalating the situation ... there are hamsters in his brain digging holes?)

[Clear]

Quote: carstorm 11

"Unthinkable mistakes": NATO Air Force criticized for the actions of Russian fighters

I am surprised at the patience of our pilots.

[novel66]

yes, they, it seems, do not tolerate, they play pranks on themselves

[Clear]

Quote: novel xnumx

yes, they, it seems, do not tolerate, they play pranks on themselves

Novel , then it turns out that the pilots of the adversary bombers are tolerating?

[novel66]

and what can they do? until day "d" and hour "h" they were patient ... and then vice versa

[bk316]

Then it turns out that the pilots of the adversary bombers suffer?

But what should the B 52 pilots do when their pair of su 27 is jammed?
This is not the same 160 and 35, you can't even run away .... So they endure, in fact, the message of the article is that you need to cover bombers if you are already sending.

[novel66]

yes, in fact, you don't even need to be afraid - turn away from the border, and

[Piramidon]

Quote: Clear

Then it turns out that the pilots of the adversary bombers suffer?

Are you sure they tolerate? Why endure if you have diapers and you can relieve yourself.

[aleks26]

Quote: carstorm 11

I can't understand everything what is in their heads ... he himself says that they fly near our borders and immediately declares that it is WE who are escalating the situation ...

Probably the article is focused on its own, internal audience. They seem to unconditionally believe the printed word, and do not even try to strain their brains (those who have them). So their IksperDy rule.

[Senka naughty]

Quote: carstorm 11

I can't understand everything what is in their head ... he himself says that they fly near our borders and immediately declares that it is WE who are escalating the situation ... there are hamsters in his brain digging holes?)

These statements are not intended for the Russian public; they train the West.

[seregatara1969]

Yes! Exactly! Russia is escalating the situation near its territory, closing its borders from any unauthorized entry of the enemy. Even the Americans themselves are being driven away

[Walking]

No need to fly near the borders of Russia and there will be no interceptions.

[Alexander X]

But there is no need to fly over our Black Sea. "anyway" © neutral waters?

[rocket757]

According to the journalist, the aggressive interceptions of Russian fighters have been causing increasing concern for several months.

Send the next anxious package of Gutalax ... ... all the concern will immediately go to the second, or even to the most distant plan, because other, urgent concerns will appear.

[cniza]

So they seem to need a fixing ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

So they seem to need a fixing ...

These are pilots, diapers ... and for anxious journalists, politicians and other bloggers, Gutalax is the THAT!

[cniza]

Gutalax for relaxation, there is something in this ...

[rocket757]

It is not for nothing that the cabinet, where the "white friend" is located, is called very differently !!!

[Mavrikiy]

Rogan According to the journalist, the command of the Allied Air Forces in Europe commits "unthinkable mistakes" and "tactical miscalculation" by sending their bombers to the Russian borders without being escorted by the alliance fighters.

Zhurnalyuga, the West's only hope for salvation from the insidious Russians who dare to intercept US aircraft at their borders.

[tralflot1832]

They will accompany their "bombers", according to the journalists, they can see not a link of Russian fighters nearby, but more. In my opinion, the most peace-loving on the planet are the military. They understand very well that because of little things, there may be such a bodabum. Well, we will raise the regiment to interception, there such a show can be drawn in the sky. There are no brains, this "exceptional" one is considered a cripple.

[Wedmak]

We need to accelerate the development of drones. And make a model of an interceptor for such guests. Departures will be much cheaper and it will be possible to raise a link at once, two, three ...

[kit88]

To keep the regiment constantly, even in 3rd Readiness, no one will just like that. And from the "prone" position to raise the regiment to intercept takes not an hour, not two or even three, a little more. During this time, all bombers will fly apart.

[avia12005]

new sensation, B-52H crews had expired diapers!

[prior]

The West has hammered into its brain that Russia is a colonially dependent country.
Accordingly, they consider all their actions against Russia permissible and legitimate, be it sanctions for unproven interference in the elections, unproven poisoning in Salisbury, or construction of SP-2.
And vice versa, any retaliatory actions of Russia are declared criminal, illegal, undemocratic and barbaric.
This can only be changed by a situation when they really need diapers, when they really become scared, for example, delivering a limited nuclear strike on a presumptuous "jackal-singing" (for example, destroying a dam on the North Crimean channel).
Or blocking water access to Crimea is not genocide of ukrofashists against the people of Crimea ?!

[Wedmak]

With a nuclear strike, you went too far. It is difficult even to imagine what a howl will rise after a preemptive strike of any power. The West has learned to deceive and sculpt fakes very effectively.

[prior]

After Hiroshima, the world has been living without global wars for 75 years.
I would like to live more ...
Howling doesn’t count, it’s not death.
They will sing, crawl to negotiate.

[Wedmak]

Yes, it’s not even howling, but its consequences. The West purposefully provokes us, puts a spoke in its wheels, lies and distorts any facts in its favor. The goal is to crush and split the Russian Federation as a country. Unfortunately, of at least some adequate neighbors, only China, but it also has its own views. So our country is fighting alone against the collective West. And as you know ... it is more convenient to beat the dad with a herd.
Whom to tell the truth if everyone agrees with the lie?

[prior]

There is nothing new in the fact that the West does not need Russia in any capacity.
Here is envy, historical fear, and mental misunderstanding.
Russia agrees to exist, but the West does not need it either.
It is enough for Russia to weaken a little, and then the unification of the West and a collective march to the East begins. This is what the knight-dogs did, Napoleon did this, Hitler, the unifier of Europe, did this.
It's a pity that human memory is short, I mean physical. The new generation knows no past hardships. It seems to them that here they are! right now!
Thieves rarely grow out of kids who were drummed with a belt that they shouldn't take someone else's.
It is necessary to teach so that they physically feel how the matter will end. I'm talking about the West.

[grandfather_Kostya]

According to Rogan, if European countries are not able to provide escort of American bombers and reconnaissance aircraft near Russian borders, then the United States itself should do this with the help of its F-16 fighters deployed in Germany.

Then the crowd of fighters at each bomber and scout will start "pushing their elbows". So it can come to scratches on the bumper.

[A.K.]

Another delirium of a crazy prapagandist.

[Wedmak]

Russia has been escalating tensions over the past few months

Hmm .. That's the same pumping, pumping ... we don't sleep at night pumping ... And NATO strategic bombers apparently arrive to dispel these pumping with the help of their eight engines? And our fighters prevent these blowers from doing their job ...
The further, the more the shock from the thoughts in the minds of such publicists. Their logic there has finally broken down and cannot be repaired.

[voyaka uh]

These are not mistakes, but tactics.
Russian pilots and commanders understand that a single bomber unaccompanied by fighters is not dangerous. And by interception they drive him away from the borders of Russia. Which is okay.
If escort fighters flew next to the B-52, then Russia would have the right to suspect aggressive intentions.
And an unpleasant combat incident could have occurred.

[Wedmak]

If escort fighters flew next to the B-52, then Russia would have the right to suspect aggressive intentions.

And aim at this whole shobla air defense systems, a MiG-31BM, a couple of Su-27/30 units ... That is, everything that is available, because the intentions of such a group of combat aircraft approaching the border are unknown.

[voyaka uh]

Exactly

[bk316]

Exactly

This is clear. But even in the current situation, purely according to the theory of probability, sooner or later someone will make a mistake and the bomber will fall ...

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: voyaka uh

Russian pilots and commanders understand that a single bomber unaccompanied by fighters is not dangerous.

They write that he was accompanied not by fighters, but by two large reconnaissance aircraft of the US Air Force such as RC-135V / W Rivet Joint
Forbes: American B-52 over the Black Sea was used as bait for the Russians.

This bomber was accompanied by two American electronic reconnaissance aircraft, which, according to the author, were able to obtain a lot of interesting information about the air defense systems of the Russian Federation located at sea and on the ground.

What information they gathered there is not known, but the actions of our pilots, as always, were condemned

"This kind of action increases the likelihood of a mid-air collision, it is optional, does not comply with the norms of good behavior in the air and international rules in this area," said General Jeff Harrigian

https://inosmi.ru/military/20200831/248031075.html

[Tagan]

Quote: carstorm 11

I can't understand everything what is in their head ... he himself says that they fly near our borders and immediately declares that it is WE who are escalating the situation ... there are hamsters in his brain digging holes?)

The costs of "civilization" are development, then complete degradation. A well-fed consumer society makes itself felt. When the critical mass of degenerates is reached, we will not see this yet.

[Pavel73]

Well, impudent ... It is because of such publicists that wars begin.

[kartalovkolya]

It's time for these freaks not to chat for "brain cleaning", but to shoot down a couple of especially arrogant ones near the territorial waters of Russia, for invading the 200-mile economic zone of Russia, We don't fly in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, and what have the minke whales forgotten off our shores ??? !!!

[Dart]

They bring under their actions a supposedly legitimate base in the brains of the average man ...

[askort154]

Rogan urges US Secretary of State Mark Esper to investigate the situation with Russian fighters intercepting NATO planes.

A naive publicist, he got into the topic, not knowing its roots. Calls for what has already been in the history of such flights.
- 22.07.1953 MiG-15 shot down RB - 29 over the Sea of ​​Japan, all 12 crew members were killed.
- 29.07.1953/17/5 MiG-16 shot down RB -XNUMXG, over the Sea of ​​Japan. Crew XNUMX people. died.
- 07.11.1954 MiG-17 shot down RB-29 over the Kuril Islands.
- 22.06. 1955, a MiG-15 shot down over the Bering Strait, a patrol plane
USA - P2V "Neptune",
- 02.09.1958/17/130 MiG-XNUMX shot down S-XNUMX A over Armenia, the plane took off from Turkey,
- 01.05. 1960 in the Sverdlovsk region of the USSR air defense shot down U-2C (US CIA)
In total, from 1953 to 1983, at least 40 cases of the use of weapons by aircraft of the USSR and NATO Air Forces were recorded. But in reality, there were much more of them.
The losses of NATO are many times greater, since they often flew near the borders of the USSR.
So, this topic is relevant now. Only now they do not shoot down, but "read the inscriptions" on board and "gently" force them out of the course.

[Slon_on]

This should include the American reconnaissance aircraft shot down over Gardelegen (GSVG) in 1964. Our rocket scientists did their best. I was a kid then, I saw how it banged over the town.

[Baloo]

According to the journalist, the command of the Allied Air Forces in Europe is committing "unthinkable mistakes" and "tactical miscalculation" by sending their bombers to the Russian borders

That's right, I think so too. Don't tease the bear by sticking a match in the eye. It seems the Americans have a saying.

[bar]

Russia has been escalating tensions over the past few months ...

... flying B-52 bombers near their borders. These Russians do whatever they want ...

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

If you perceive flights near Russian territory, as Tom Rogan it does, as a given, and to cultivate this arrogance in oneself and further, then yes, in general, it is possible to find Russia's fault in these flights.
But why comment on this? Maybe just remember that NATO's advancement to the East is an illegal process and consider the flights of their aircraft aggressive
And the consequence of this should be an even more decisive opposition to their encroachments. And then why not comment on how, some Rogin there on the resource, for example, "The Last Frontier" expressed an opinion on the prosecution of all those who removed the trolleybus wires on the bridge before Cessna Rusta landed on it.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

All this is idle chatter, replicated in 99% of those who have no idea about INTERCEPTIONS. It would be much more interesting to see the opinion of those who caught and who were caught ... as well as zhurnalyugs' panting for the sake of reminding of oneself in the era of internet broadcasting, where anyone can proclaim himself an expert.

[1536]

These Europeans have become completely insolent. They are also going to connect fighters to their "reconnaissance" flights.
Here is only one moment interests me. Why in our media, at least in the majority, only the opinion of these Europeans, their fears and swelling in the stomach are covered? Why is the opinion of our military experts not given, who, with the creation of a case, would give out information about what harm these so-called reconnaissance flights are doing to Russia and its citizens, for example, knocking our fishermen off course, or harassing our sailors and border guards during lunchtime. As a result, Russia should spend time and money on repelling these provocations, and its missiles to shoot down NATO planes of any brand, if our missilemen are sure of a possible enemy crossing our border? Why isn't it? One bleating and incomprehensible giggles from those who must firmly say that enemy combat aircraft will be shot down, and their pilots will be considered terrorists in the event of an approach or crossing the Russian border.

[Jack O'Neill]

All would be fine, but the last maneuver of the fighter right in front of the bomber's nose was unnecessary. And what happened, what then?
And if the next time the F-16 flies in front of the Tu-95 and it falls?

[Igluxnumx]

Flights of strategic bombers B-52 near the borders of Russia - "that is" ..... But their interception - ay-ay-ay!
Hypocrites.

[Nikolay73]

That is, their bomber (possibly) with nuclear weapons on board near our borders is normal, and our fighter intercepting it is a threat and unprofessionalism? Yes, miracles and nothing else ... but maybe on our summertime there is a terrible mega-slug that all at once into dust? But where does it come from at the "gas station country"? All the same, Lavrov said well, succinctly ...

[ZVS]

Are the Americans shit again? It is necessary to overwhelm by chance one of their aircraft near their shores, then they will calm down.

[hroft]

If bombers accompanied by fighters approach the borders of the Russian Federation, this will be an excuse not to raise the dryers to intercept, but immediately use air defense systems, this stupid publicist did not attend such a thought?

[501 Legion]

these creatures fly near the borders of Russia, and they claim that it is Russia that is pushing. ahreneli jackals

[Severok]

It seems that Mr. Rogan has more ambitions than the contents of his wallet two or three hundred times that way. So he is trying to replenish his wallet by publishing this nonsense, which is mentioned in the article.

[Campanella]

They are just waiting for this. They need a serious reason for the Western "democratic" herd to believe them and go wherever they say.

[Campanella]

I would have a job like this Rogan.) Write yourself what you want on a given topic and get a fee.
Analysis level zero, propaganda level 100%.