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"Ruby" toys

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The Vityaz autonomous unmanned underwater vehicle (AUV), which visited the bottom of the Mariana Trench, was presented at the Army 2020 forum of the Rubin Central Design Bureau. Together with him, other Ruby's AUVs were presented. The Vityaz deep-sea dive was widely advertised in the media and had a significant resonance in society, which is not surprising: this event is certainly a positive one.


Only now thunderous applause from Vityaz and Rubin drowns out the very bad questions that objectively arise about other domestic underwater vehicles - both Rubin and other developers.

As a matter of fact, the very descent to the bottom of the Mariana Trench is nothing exceptional after the manned bathyscaphe "Trieste" by Auguste Picard and the US Navy did it in 1960. That is, thunderous applause should be reduced ...

Yes, new materials, an established team of developers (including young ones) within the framework of successful work is certainly good.

But what is the real usefulness of this work, given that more than 95% of the ocean is less than 6000 m deep?

There would be no questions about the "Vityaz" and the costs of it, if together with such demonstrators of technologies (and this is it) were created and applicable in practice, LA of different types, useful as a means of armed struggle.

In order not to zigzag and not to waste time, I will say right away: the main tasks that can and should be used by various small-sized NPA during navy, - anti-mine.

Also, an important type of similar devices are various self-propelled hydroacoustic countermeasures, designed incl. for diverting torpedoes from submarines evading defeat.

A related issue with the topic of self-propelled instruments is the creation of drifting instruments of the same purpose. They do not belong to the NPA, but the same technological developments are used to create them, especially in terms of hydroacoustics.

And only in the form of a superstructure over all this boring, but key reality are experiments like "Vityaz". Rather, they should. Everything is different with us.


From the point of view of practical applicability, there are questions to literally all of our promising developments.

Engineering Games


In the film "Military Acceptance" for "Knight" and the conquest of the Mariana Trench, the authors did not pass by other AUVs of the Rubin Central Design Bureau, especially noting the "spectacular" AUVs "Amulet-2".


AUV "Amulet-2". A frame from the movie series "Military acceptance" of the TV channel "Zvezda"

The authors of the film forgot to mention only one thing - that these "spectacular" AUVs are absolutely ineffective in solving any practical problems.

We look at the characteristics from the developer.

"Ruby" toys

With an accuracy of keeping on the course of 5 degrees and a meager payload, this AUV is, in fact, a toy. Those. the question of effectively solving real problems was not even posed to its developers; budget funds were simply mastered.

As a matter of fact, the fact that instead of combat vehicles, we create, at best, technology demonstrators, and at worst, banal toys are not news, one can recall the first independent Ruby AUV "Juno" (which was dubbed "Avos" by evil tongues for some comedy and dramatic details of its creation). Created "Juno" / "Avos" with a claim to real tasks. The problem was that they approached this according to the "warehouse principle" - just put the nomenclature of search tools.

We did not even think about the fact that the solution of serious problems should be approached from the analysis of the requirements of the problem itself. For example, the minimum requirements for the accuracy of data on targets when solving mine defense (MDP) problems were given in the public works of the famous acoustician S.A. Smirnov. ("At least 1 meter") back in 2004

As a result, the Juno developers (by the way, not only they are alone, but also, for example, Korabelka specialists and a number of AUV developers) made a mistake (unreasonably underestimated) in the diameter of the AUV hull. As soon as the question arose of installing effective search means, the length sharply increased, and the "sausage" of the AUV "stretched" until it lost controllability.

Let me emphasize that this mistake would not have happened if the AUV's appearance had been formed from the tasks (and it was, alas: “the artist sees it this way”).


AUV "Juno"

The objective (and shameful) result of all these "AUV-drawings" of the Rubin Central Design Bureau is that the Indian Navy is forced to install Western (and outdated) anti-torpedo protection systems on our project 877EKM export submarines. In this respect, the Rubin Central Design Bureau, the TRV Corporation and the MPO Gidropribor concern, in fact, have nothing to present (except for the outdated self-propelled device MG-74ME and the same obsolete drifting device Vist-E (CJSC Aquamarine ) under the ancient submarine VIPS).


Still from the documentary Indian Submariners E2P2 - How Torpedoes Work in a Submarine

And this shameful situation did not arise now, but back in the 2000s. That is, there was more than enough time to resolve it. However, instead of real urgently needed work both for export, for the fleet, and for the country (CDB "Rubin" - the developer of our SSBNs) "Rubin" is actually engaged in AUV toys, small ("Amulet") and large ("Vityaz") with their near-zero practical usefulness.

At the same time, it cannot be said that "Rubin" does nothing in terms of anti-torpedo protection systems (PTZ). He does, but the results are such that there is frankly nothing to demonstrate at the salons. Some scandalous details about the preliminary results of this work are contained in the materials of the arbitration courts, and experts have known and warned about this since 2012. Briefly, and this is just one of the reasons: the weight and dimensions of the complex's products obviously did not provide the required efficiency. And this is not the private opinion of the author. Working on the issues of promising PTZ, the author not only discussed this in detail with the leading specialists of the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region", but also with the specialists of "Gidropribor" and with a major domestic specialist, Professor BP Belov. Moreover, all their assessments turned out to be very close to each other (and very far from Ruby's project). Did those who made this complex understand this? Yes, everyone understood perfectly. But (literally):

- We are under severe administrative pressure ...

And what is meant in these words is not "Rubin", but USC (United Shipbuilding Corporation). This is understandable: USC officials do not have to fight, they need to push any complex on the submarines, and then completely different people will face the questions of its combat effectiveness. And there will be no war anyway, and if there is, then who will then deal with the wreckage at a kilometer depth ...

What will end история with PTZ from Rubin? Taking into account the current realities, I believe that it will end badly - according to the principle “the third grade is not a marriage”. For the effective managers of USC and Rubin need to be accountable for the funds spent somehow.

Let me emphasize: PTZ is the most critical issue for Rubin's submarines, incl. export. This problem is much more acute than the lack of an anaerobic facility. And instead of taking tough and decisive measures to resolve this shameful situation, there are “toys” with practically useless AUVs.

ANPA IPMT FEB RAS


At the same time, it is necessary to remember how the subject of the AUV ended up in Rubin.

When a child's parents change on the birth certificate, this clearly indicates certain dramatic events. It's the same in military technology. Initially, the AUV "Harpsichord" was developed by the IPMT FEB RAS (Vladivostok), which at the time of the great Ageev M.D. was a real Firm (with a capital letter) of underwater technology. However, Ageev died in 2005.

Obviously, the customer of the "Harpsichord" had serious force majeure circumstances that forced to replace the developer (with the transfer of the development itself to "Rubin"). CDB "Rubin" has vast experience in creating deep-water marine equipment, and "Harpsichord" is to a large extent the heir of the Ageev devices. Plus to this the customer, who understands well what he needs (unlike the Navy).


"Harpsichord" from CDB "Rubin"

For the Navy, IPMT FEB RAS has created and is trying to promote the AUV "Galtel-Alevrit" complex.


AUV "Galtel-Alevrit"

On the part of the IPMT, there are attempts to supplement this complex with remote controlled vehicles (ROV), which was demonstrated, for example, in the film "Military Acceptance" about the work of "Galteli" in the waters of Syria. The question is that the Galtel complex itself has a number of major system errors, primarily in navigation support. The author made a public analysis of this issue in a discussion with one of the leaders of the IPMT at a round table of the Army forum several months before the Syrian trip. Short conclusion: the complex is unsuitable for solving PMO problems. And the Syrian business trip of Galteli confirmed this conclusion, despite the PR in the media.

The problem is the same: no one thought about the task itself, the conditions and requirements for its implementation. And if the developers can still be understood, it is unlikely that the Navy (Ministry of Defense) funded this development in any way, then on the part of authorized (including "scientific") organizations of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense such mistakes are simply unacceptable.

Toys instead of functional devices


Galteli's questions are quite solvable, but the problem is much deeper. We urgently need to move from the production of "toys" to those that are really applicable in the war of the NLA.

It should be noted that the issue has been raised harshly and publicly for a long time. It is appropriate to recall the article (2010) of a prominent Russian specialist, retired Rear Admiral A.N. Lutsky. "Urgently required underwater robots and anti-torpedo protection".

In the article published on the pages of the "Military-Industrial Courier" by Maxim Klimov "Sea underwater weapon: Problems and Opportunities ”frankly, sharply and critically shows the current state of the MPS of the Russian military fleet. But the publication not only sounds the alarm, it also draws attention to the need to develop a concept for the development of domestic marine underwater weapons that is adequate to modern and future requirements. We have to agree with many of the author's statements.

The solution in the current situation: real tests, mine ranges (in different fleets and conditions), incl. with inconspicuous and silted mines, and real work on them by AUVs of all domestic developers. As Tsar Peter I said, "so that everyone's stupidity is more visible."

Real work will give a real disclosure of problems and real requirements, a real look of either new AUVs or modified existing ones.

Why only this question has to be raised in the media, literally "whipping" the Navy (and the corresponding structures of the Ministry of Defense)? And the answer is simple: we have become not just toys, but golden toys, and the questions of the effectiveness of those who “played” in them did not interest them (in contrast to the development of budgetary funds).

As a result, we do not have a single anti-mine AUV in the Russian Navy today.

By the way, here is a question for the command of the Navy (and the General Staff). How are you going to fight mines in ice conditions (for example, when setting self-transporting mines in the throat of Avacha Bay in winter)? The same problem is in Primorye.

Why are such questions asked in the media? But because earlier they were put (as well as proposals for their solution) in a closed manner. However, these questions did not arouse the interest of the Navy. What for? After all, "Military Acceptance" will remove another popular print about the "victories" of our AUV in the Mariana Trench or Syria. And the president will be shown another apparatus that “has no analogues” (sometimes very similar to the Western one).

But what if there is a war? For example, with Japan. How will the fleet fight? A strong proletarian word? Or collective worship?

There is no doubt that the media, which are excitedly singing today about the alleged effectiveness of the allegedly Russian complexes of PMO "Diamand" (and giving similar popular news), tomorrow will glorify the heroic self-sacrifice of the next "Varangians". In a specific case - the crews of our obsolete minesweepers that have lost their real combat effectiveness, which the command will drive "belly on mines." In fact, to slaughter, and without any prospect of real fulfillment of the combat mission.

Let me remind you that today in the Pacific Fleet there is not a single anti-mine ship with modern weapons, not a single anti-mine UOA. At the same time, the Pacific Fleet has 3 SSBNs, of which two are the newest, Project 955.

"Surrogate"


Those who wish can easily read a lot of enthusiastic publications about this self-propelled simulator, not only in popular print media, but also in open specialized editions. The only problem is that in reality there is not a single "Surrogate" in the Navy, and, moreover, making of it an "underwater tsar-cannon", the managers of this project deliberately exclude any significant serial production.

"Rubin" carried out studies on a much larger "unmanned submarine" intended for the exercise. This boat, code-named "Surrogate", has a displacement of about 60 tons, a cruising range of about 600 miles at a speed of 5 knots, and a maximum speed of 24 knots. All this makes it possible to conduct exercises up to 15-16 hours long, reproducing the maneuvering of enemy submarines, including at relatively high travel speeds.
Relatively large dimensions (length about 17 meters) and the ability to carry towed antennas for various purposes allows realistic reproduction of the submarine physical fields.

For "luboks" and showing to VIPs it will go, but the fleet - "as usual, somehow."


Possible look of the "Surogat" simulator (article by A. Yu. Koverinsky "Submarine simulators" of the "Sudostroenie" magazine for 2017)

At the same time, the navies of Western countries have long and massively (the account goes to tens of thousands of applications) use AUV simulators in combat training. Yes, this is not a Surrogate in terms of its characteristics, but it is something that every ship, anti-submarine aircraft and submarine can use. Those. in the "wild West" they make UFOs for real mass work and combat training, in our country - for showing to VIPs (and, in fact, the same toys as the "Vityaz").

"Cephalopod"


Work on this combat AUV will be deliberately disrupted. And this is the result of not even an analysis of public procurement on this topic (although only on them it was possible to draw very disappointing conclusions), but most importantly, a fundamentally wrong conceptual way of creating such AUVs in our country.

In fact, combat AUVs have been in service with many countries for a long time. These are torpedoes. At the same time, the minimum development period for torpedoes is about 6 years (and this figure is approximately the same for all countries). Heavy combat AUVs are a much more complex combat complex than a torpedo. Accordingly, conventional approaches to their design require a significant increase in the duration of work, at which the AUV begins to become obsolete even on the computers of developers.

At the same time, we still cannot make a good universal torpedo for submarines, despite the fact that tales of the fantastic "Cephalopods" are already beginning to excite the public.

Regional "sausage"


At the forum "Army 2020", a small-sized TNPA GNPP "Region" was publicly presented, for the first time "lit up" at the show to the President of the Russian Federation in December 2019 in Sevastopol.


Small-sized TNLA and TNLA ISPUM developed by State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region"

They tried to tell about him in more detail (more precisely, to advertise him) in the film "Military acceptance".


Small-sized TNPA GNPP "Region". A still from the film of the "Military Acceptance" series of the "Zvezda" TV channel

It is worth noting that in the interval between the filming of the film and the showing to the president of this TNLA something fell off, namely the stabilizers, a kind of "sausage" turned out.


The model of the TNLA in the hands of the chief designer. The stabilizers have not yet been "sawed off"

The reason for this is “it would be very funny if it weren’t so sad”. The author's publications on torpedo and especially mine action were closely monitored by the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region" (with extremely clumsy attempts to object in the media). The author sharply raised the question of the lack of small-sized TNLA PMO and the urgent need to include them in the ISPUM complex.

But specifically for this small-sized TNLA, the question was immediately raised about the adequacy of the reproduction of the unsuccessful French TNLA SeaScan, the identity of which with the TNLA "Region" simply cut the eye. Now the question of similarity was solved by "sawing off" the stabilizers.

Note: ROV SeaScan is a "castrated" version (without warhead) of ROV-destroyer K-Ster by ECA.


ROV SeaScan. Highlighted the reflector on the mine mockup, sharply increasing its visibility. Where did the Navy specialists look? A still from the film of the Military Acceptance series of the Zvezda TV channel (in fact, the video is from ESA)

French toys for the Russian fleet


The background of the question is as follows. Under the contract with the ECA company (France), as part of the DIAMAND complex, we were to be supplied with small TNLA-destroyers of K-Ster mines. TNLA is not cheap even for the French, and taking into account our "gaskets", its price turned out to be simply exorbitant (especially considering the one-time use).


ROV K-Ster with inert warhead

However, the year 2014 came, after which a number of delivery points, including the K-Ster, were excluded by the French side due to sanctions. Instead of the K-Ster (destroyers), ESA urgently developed the SeaScan survey TNLA (in fact, the K-Ster with a removed warhead module).

However, the close acquaintance of our specialists with the means of the DIAMAND complex was shocking, they did not have to talk about the real solution of mine action tasks in any difficult conditions. A similar disappointment was received by the Kazakh Navy (where the complex was delivered in full version). For ESA TNLA see material: "Anti-mine" thirty-four ": TNPA RAR-104".

The least complaints were about SeaScan: for all the "tenderness" of the design of the ROV (for example, it does not recognize subzero temperatures), the apparatus for survey tasks was quite working (the K-Ster ROV was made in the old ESA, in the early 2000s, when the engineering and the firm's management staff was still on top).

The most disastrous was the control system of the DIAMAND complex. In an attempt to save the situation, the effective managers of the Russian operator of the DIAMAND complex turned to their acquaintances (even from the Ministry of Defense), the effective managers of the Region State Research and Production Enterprise in order to correct the flaws of the Diamand and dock it with ISPUM. So GNPP “Region” entered the topic “Diamanda”.

Accordingly, having received a "working TNLA" and its documentation, they did not want to think. For example, about why the old engineers of the ECA company installed a warhead on a rotary drive on the K-Ster ROV. Especially if there were other long-standing acquaintances in the development of budgetary funds nearby, who offered beautiful small-sized ammunition.

The flight of thought of the authors of this "sausage" is evidenced by the variety of versions and applications and even the readiness to destroy underwater robots.


Screenshot of the publication of the Zvezda TV channel. But honestly! They showed why they ripped off the "unique domestic drone killer"


Replaceable modules TNPA. A still from the film of the "Military Acceptance" series of the "Zvezda" TV channel

True, in order to destroy them, they must be discovered. And here the question arises: by what? Optics (which was stuck in the "face" of the TNLA)? But it has a range of several meters. Tiddly antenna of a high-frequency sonar on the "chin" of a TNLA with a ridiculous detection range?

At the same time, the task of intercepting underwater robots in the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region" was solved a long time ago, and in its most difficult version - the destruction of attacking torpedoes by anti-torpedoes, incl. in the problematic near-surface layer.

Those. there is a groundwork (and moreover, the development of effective small-sized products, including for such tasks were made more than ten years ago), there are excellent acoustics specialists. However, it is obvious that they were not attracted to the "sausage".

Separately, it is necessary to raise the question of the frequency range of the TNLA sonar, namely, the absolutely unreasonable choice by the developers of a number of foreign NPA PMOs of the high-frequency range (often slightly less than 1 MHz). Where the development was managed by engineers, this was not the case (unlike those who like beautiful pictures on the sonar screen of effective managers). We also got carried away with such "pictures". The author had personal experience of a long-standing dispute with one leader, which was eventually resolved at sea. The dummies of mines were accidentally placed in a thicket of algae at the bottom, with a high-frequency sonar being considered the main test tool. There were, to put it mildly, serious problems with the detection of layouts. At the same time, they were confidently observed by sonar with a significantly lower operating frequency.

In a long-standing discussion of this issue with the chief designer of the Mayevka, he stated that the algae were "acoustically transparent." Correct, but only if the frequency range of the NPA PMO sonars is chosen correctly (as it was at Mayevka). If, as with effective managers, then the "Quickstrike" in the thickets of algae in the throat of Avacha Bay, most likely, will not see the "sausage" with a sonar (especially with optics).

I am sure that this project (this is the exact word) the small TNLA was not considered by the Scientific and Technical Council of the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region", because the specialists would have a lot of bad questions about it.

However, the main question is different: as long as we have effective managers from AUVs and chase underwater robots (in their presentations and paid-for big-money videos), a very simple question remains: who will destroy mines?

"Sausage"? In part, it can do this (in simple conditions), however, high speed for racing robots automatically means the high cost of such a TNLA, a significant level of physical fields and, accordingly, a high probability of undermining. Moreover, the cost of such a TNLA turns out to be much higher (not less than an order of magnitude) than mines.

Taking into account the probable number of mines delivered in the event of hostilities (many thousands), the Ministry of Defense will have to "cut" other programs for the sake of the required number of "sausages" (including "Caliber", after all, money is not taken out of thin air), or, as has already gone on publications on specialized forums, there is a tendency to purchase one ammunition. Those. in the event of a real war, there is a chance to be virtually unarmed. But at exhibitions and parades there will be something to show.

They may object to me: after all, the speed of western small ROVs is the same (and even more), yes, but with one important condition - short-term speed. But the long one is much less. Those. the question of the model of the use of small TNLA arises. About which hardly anyone thought. And the foreign experience, which already exists and is quite accessible, was simply ignored (except for the documentation on the French).

And if the conditions are difficult? Let's say, like in 1991 in the Persian Gulf? What will this "sausage" do with the "Manta" washed into the sand? We won't talk about a number of very “bad places” ...


TNLA options. A still from the film of the "Military Acceptance" series of the "Zvezda" TV channel

By the way, with such pictures of execution options, our effective managers do not want to receive legal claims? They are strongly encouraged to familiarize themselves with the arbitration on this topic in the English courts of the German (small cumulative warhead with the COBRA perforator) and the Anglo-Swedish developers (product BALLISTA). This is an excellent example of judicial trickery for each letter and comma (given that the technical essence is the same, and, moreover, was first proposed by a "third party").

A small clarification from the author: a perforator is needed to fix a small-sized shaped charge on the mine body, and the real differences in the technical solutions of the Germans and Swedes are in the power of the perforator. Figuratively speaking, "according to Zadornov," Atlas's COBRA "weakens gently, without disturbing sleep." BALLISTA, on the other hand, pounds so that questions arise, and after such a perforator, do you really need explosives?

At the same time, it is necessary to understand that small anti-mine charges, really allowing to increase the capabilities of anti-mine forces, have a number of serious limitations. Therefore, the NATO Navy uses a fairly wide range of anti-mine charges, weighing from several to 140 kg. Moreover, the requirements for the PMO ammunition directly depend on the appearance, maneuverability and physical fields of the TNLA (about which the creators of the "sausage" obviously have no idea).

I emphasize again, the criteria for effective mine action are:

1. The productivity of the anti-mine forces in the search for mine-like objects.

2. Productivity for their classification and destruction.

3. Compliance of the capabilities of the anti-mine forces with the mine threat (both in the types of mines and in their number).

4. Conducting effective mine action with a minimum expenditure of resources for this (criterion "efficiency - cost").

Obviously, the "sausage" of the "Region" corresponds to this in an extremely small way. Moreover, the presentation of such a dubious product is evidence of the intellectual degradation of the once leading enterprise in the field of naval underwater weapons in the world (just one example: what Region did in 1998 on the topic of anti-torpedoes, the United States and Germany could not repeat until so far!). Successful Package? Yes, but this is not the merit of the current effective managers, but of the former leadership of the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region", first of all E.S. Shakhidzhanov. It will not be long to rest on the laurels of the "Package", and the United States, Turkey and China are already overtaking us in these matters. We are still eating up the backlog of the 90s and early 2000s, see here: “Anti-torpedoes. We are still ahead, but they are already overtaking us ".

At the same time, in the "Region" there were quite adequate studies of small-sized products, even more than 10 years ago. Yes, now there is something worth changing, but the main technical solutions were engineering literate. In the old films about the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region" there is a video of a small TNLA, who played "aerobatics" in an acoustic pool back in the 90s. Where is its creator now (he is also the chief designer of Mayevka)? Everything was done to make him leave the "Region". In the anniversary edition of the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region" there was not even a place for his photograph. And this was not an accident. There are simply those who work for the result, and there are those who are for the process. And the last ones are very painful for the eyes. Especially if the latter are effective managers.

Let's draw a line on the new TNLA from the "Region":
- there is no sane concept of this TNLA;

- suboptimal high-frequency range of the sonar (a consequence of poor layout and copying of SeaScan);

- TNLA is deliberately overpriced, excluding the possibility of creating the necessary ammunition for the Navy;

- the layout of the TNLA does not provide the high maneuverability required for the use of small ammunition in flowing conditions;

- the issues of physical fields during its creation, obviously, were not worked out;

- and also glad of shortcomings, public discussion of which is inappropriate.

In fact, this is a mock-up demonstrator in order to lure the Ministry of Defense into a full-fledged R&D (development work) on this topic. However, the extremely low level of the layout ("sausages") raises the question of the ability of the State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Region" in its current state (and effective managers) to actually fulfill this ROC.

Problems and conclusions


Problem 1. Import. I would like to emphasize that the author is in no way against importing, not only successful Western samples, but also dubious ones (it is better to learn from other people's mistakes). But not at the cost of crushing domestic developments, what we had. A vivid example is the massive purchase of imported legal acts in the 2000s. (after the "Kursk") with complete disregard for the Navy of successful domestic developers (except for the only ROC "Mayevka").

This was followed by a French scam. Only one example of assistance to domestic developments on the part of responsible officials during this period: the requirements for domestic small-sized TNLA deliberately include those that can be technically implemented only if its mass is an order of magnitude greater than the specified one. Those. imports were accepted frankly dubious and without any real verification, and domestic developments were deliberately sabotaged, driving them into impossible conditions.

Problem 2: effective managers. The tough irony of the situation is that a number of people who "took part" in the suppression of domestic legal acts in early 2010. in favor of import to the Ministry of Defense, have now become high-ranking effective managers in the defense industry, and their whims and preferences to a large extent determine what needs to be purchased by the Navy.

The main conclusion is that we have a good technical groundwork, effective developers, and even Rubin's “toys” are a definite plus in training young engineers. The question is in the correct formulation of the problem.

And this requires large-scale (in different conditions, on different fleets) tests in conditions close to the real ones of all regulatory legal acts, all developers (regardless of the presence or absence of a certificate of a purebred dog, i.e. licenses). It doesn't matter what is written on the paper, the main thing is that the dog is a good bloodhound.

Only large-scale comparative tests in real conditions will allow the fleet to maximally "turn off" the influence of effective managers, to understand what it needs, to strictly demand this from the industry and to achieve massive deliveries of effective NLA to the fleet.

At the same time, at the moment, our fleet has anti-mine UOA:

- 4 TNPA (1 "Mayevka" and 3 STA ISPUM), while at the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet (where our NSNF are deployed) there is not a single one, and "Mayevka" and STA ISPUM will blow up on the very first "defender mine" (for more details: “What is wrong with our minesweepers?” и "What's wrong with the newest PMK project 12700");

- ANPA PMO - none.

But we have 11 SSBNs in the Navy, which are not provided in any way in mine action and in terms of anti-torpedo protection (more details: "APKR" Severdvinsk "handed over with critical deficiencies for combat capability").

Like the entire fleet.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 4 September 2020 05: 45
    +6
    On the other hand, we have 11 SSBNs in the Navy, which are in no way guaranteed in terms of mine action and anti-torpedo protection (for more details: "AICR" Severdvinsk "was handed over with deficiencies critical for combat capability").

    Like the entire fleet.
    figs with him, we have a "Poseidon"! fellow Hurray !!! By now the lead boat of Project 677 "Lada" has been built under the name "St. Petersburg", which is in trial operation as part of the Navy. Two other boats of this project, "Kronstadt" and "Velikie Luki", have been under construction for over 15 years. (Hurray again !!!)
    1. Soho
      Soho 4 September 2020 06: 00
      -4
      You, Dedkastary, are lucky again good
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 4 September 2020 06: 15
        +4
        Quote: Soho
        You, Dedkastary, are lucky again good

        Yes, you are probably lucky with Putin, are you satisfied with how the country is being derailed?
        1. Soho
          Soho 4 September 2020 06: 18
          -4
          And where do I and Putin? You fell out of alcohol again and write everything that green devils whisper into your head?
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 4 September 2020 06: 31
            +1
            Quote: Soho
            And where do I and Putin? You fell out of alcohol again and write everything that green devils whisper into your head?

            don't confuse me with yourself, huh?
            1. Soho
              Soho 4 September 2020 06: 51
              -4
              Yes, you are difficult to confuse with yourself. I don’t know how to love everything American and hate everything Russian. It is enough to read your comments and it will become clear why you are grazing on VO. After all, this article is a gift for people like you - there is a reason to gloat, to hurt. For example, it hurts me to read about the problems of our fleet. This is our difference. On sim hi
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 4 September 2020 07: 47
                -2
                Quote: Soho
                Yes, you are difficult to confuse with yourself. I don’t know how to love everything American and hate everything Russian. It is enough to read your comments and it will become clear why you are grazing on VO. After all, this article is a gift for people like you - there is a reason to gloat, to hurt. For example, it hurts me to read about the problems of our fleet. This is our difference. On sim hi

                I don’t want to be rude, and there are 9 warnings from Smirnov, and I don’t know how to convey to you ... well, first of all, you are a dear liar, indicate when and where I spoke about the Yankes, anything positive? secondly, I love my Motherland, I do not like power; thirdly, I have a lot to do with the Fleet, and my heart hurts for him, so you, my dear, simply sucked the "differences" ... of course, adies! hi
                1. Soho
                  Soho 4 September 2020 08: 01
                  -3
                  second, I love my homeland

                  Don't lie, chatterbox. It is not possible to love the Motherland, pouring mud on everything and everyone in it. You cannot rejoice and grin at the failures of your country as you do. It is also despicable to be a hypocrite. Yesterday you called Russia a race, and today you describe that you love your Motherland. It turns out that your homeland is not Russia. And then what? Did you hatch from non-brothers or God's chosen ones?
                  1. Grandfather
                    Grandfather 4 September 2020 08: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Soho

                    Don't lie, chatterbox. It is not possible to love the Motherland, pouring mud on everything and everyone in it. You cannot rejoice and grin at the failures of your country as you do. It is also despicable to be a hypocrite. Yesterday you called Russia a race, and today you describe that you love your Motherland. It turns out that your homeland is not Russia. And then what? Did you hatch from non-brothers?

                    I "hatched" from the USSR, and gave the oath to HIM, and the present country is ... Russia ... landlord, feudal, oligarchic ... that's all on this, which I'm spending time on you. you're putinoid ...
                    1. Soho
                      Soho 4 September 2020 08: 20
                      -3
                      Scattering ... landlord, feudal, oligarchic ...

                      In your stubbornness, you confuse the concepts of the Motherland and the state system. I can protest against the government of my state, but I love and respect my Motherland. And for all rot, she is a rash, a race ...
                      you're putinoid ...

                      And you are an ordinary deceitful and corrupt little soul. A clever attempt to blame the "putinoid" is not credible - I am only talking about the attitude towards my country, and not calling to love Putin.
                      1. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 4 September 2020 12: 53
                        +5
                        Quote: Soho
                        And you are an ordinary deceitful and corrupt little soul. A clever attempt to blame the "putinoid" is not credible - I am only talking about the attitude towards my country, and not calling to love Putin.

                        And it seems to me that you are the venal darling ...

                        Love for the Motherland is not only singing hourly "God save the Tsar!" ..
                        And not praising everything, everything, everything.
                        If only it is Russian, it is already worthy of boasting ...
                        Dirt under your feet, Russian? Hooray, how cool ..
                        Vasyugan swamps, Samotlor - hurray!
                        Polar nights in Vorkuta - hurray!
                        Glory to the native land ...
                        Needed where was born..
                        And I don't like swamps ...
                        They don't like it and that's it.

                        I like the taiga, I like the sea ..
                        Why don't I have the right to say this?

                        Why do you think that adequate and worthy criticism is at once defeatism?
                        Don't you realize that criticism is the only, I repeat, the only way to control.
                        What is the quality control department? This is a check of the quality of a product based on a critical approach to the work performed.
                        Military acceptance? This is also a critical approach.
                        Pre-biased approach, expressed precisely in the search for flaws.
                        Have you ever thought about this?
                        So that the crucians do not doze ...
                        In those areas where we are on a level with the enemy - you will not see any criticism.
                        Not in uniform.
                        Not in nutrition.
                        Not in physical training.
                        Not in small arms.
                        Not in artillery.
                        Not in the Strategic Missile Forces.
                        There is no criticism there.
                        Not in military allowance and the upkeep of the army, financial, pension.

                        But where we really and seriously lag behind the enemy, criticism must be.
                        Including folk.
                        The people see everything.
                        He himself served and serves, he himself produced and produces.

                        And he knows how to distinguish between real things, from the slogans of the Talking Heads about another "unparalleled in the world" ...

                        Learn to understand this.

                        We are not praising America and Europe.
                        We want, that we would have at least not worse.

                        And we see what's worse ...
                      2. Soho
                        Soho 4 September 2020 15: 20
                        -5
                        We are not praising America and Europe.
                        We want, that we would have at least not worse.

                        "We"? Do you have a collective mind? Or are you here on the Military Review some kind of party? Which pounces en masse on dissidents .... How can you want to do "so that we have no worse" pouring slops on any of our achievements. And gloating over failure. You don't know what constructive criticism is. You are not interested in details. You only know that you need to throw a spoonful of shit into everything Russian. Somehow long ago I entered the portal of Novaya Gazeta. And my hair stood on end from the comments read. There, in the news about the interception of Russian Tu-95s by American fighters, people in all seriousness called on the Americans to shoot down our bombers! Our citizens wrote in the comments "Americans! Shoot them down, there is nothing to bother with them!" .... And these are the Russians .... So it seems you are one of the same. It's good for you if Russia is bad. For any reason. And Putin or not Putin is not important to you. This is just an excuse. You can even be easily tracked down - you only graze on the news, where you can criticize, gloat, cheer on the problems of Russia. You will not be found where there are clearly visible achievements. Even your composition is no longer a secret to anyone. If you look at the history of your dialogues, there is nothing positive about it. One shit. Shit on Russia.
                        Do not answer. Your answer is not interesting to me.
                      3. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 4 September 2020 20: 06
                        +6
                        Quote: Soho

                        Do not answer. Your answer is not interesting to me.


                        First of all.
                        Who are you that I would answer you personally?
                        Yes, I am writing my comments in response to you.
                        But, I'm not writing for you, but for thousands of other readers, to whom I convey my thoughts.
                        At the same time, to be honest, I try to expose people like you in an extremely stupid way.

                        Secondly.
                        What makes you think that we are an organization?
                        They are like you, unicellular organisms, which are so unicellular that they can only see black and white. There is no rest for them. There are no other colors. There are no halftones.
                        Even the "Order" was invented on the forum, which would centrally distribute the minus to the unwanted.
                        Or you are with us, shouting about every occasion. Ah, you don’t want to shout, it means you are "licking hehemonu" or "you are a fat eater" ...
                        Do you understand how stupid you are behaving? Kindergarten, 3-4 years old. This is exactly the behavioral model at this age.

                        You do not understand anything about the characteristics of both our and foreign weapons.
                        You see nothing in development trends ...
                        For you, only one thing: "Urya" and that's it.

                        And having said we, I was talking about those thousands of readers and hundreds of post writers who still read this forum, despite the dominance of "uryakalok" ...

                        Thirdly.
                        You shouldn't consider us, normal people with a critical eye, as apologists for Novaya Gazeta and Echo of Moscow.
                        Do not compare.
                        There is a real rabble sitting, really the same uryakalki, like you, only with a minus sign.
                        They cause nothing but hatred.
                        But ...
                        Again.
                        We are not them ...

                        In the fourth.
                        A well-deserved portion of slop, some just deserve it.
                        And we must honestly admit that it is deserved.
                        The constructor, especially.
                        Now, weapons have become much more expensive than Western ones ...
                        Aircraft of the slightly modernized IL-76MD type can no longer be assembled ...
                        All government orders have been disrupted.
                        Virtually everything.
                        Look at what actually happened to the 2020 state rearmament program.
                        It has been completed by 30% of the total.
                        Although funding flowed like a river.
                        And Armata already in 2018 was supposed to start entering the troops, and the Su-57 for three-4 years already, as it was supposed to fly in combat units ...
                        But no.
                        And orders have decreased 5 times.
                        Why is that?
                        Are there objective reasons?
                        Yes, there is.
                        They are called KB.
                        Who report about the next "no analogue in the world", but in fact either cannot build anything at all, or with the characteristics declared - a complete priest ...
                        Remind me, where are the widely advertised robots "Uranus"?
                        For 3 years you have been repeating the Indians, with their songs and dances, from this news.
                        So what? After exporting them to at least somewhere different from the exhibition, everyone immediately forgot about them ...
                        The talking heads stopped putting the word "Uranus" robot in all the news ...
                        And why so, after all, it was visible to those who understand, and who spoke even then, that this is fiction ...
                        And so in most ...

                        We criticize where criticism is justified ...

                        And you...
                        You are just stupid and throw hats and caps, always.

                        And none of us love America.
                        He loves Russia, and much stronger than you, the enemies of Russia ...
                        Because we know with whom we will have to fight and with what weapons ...
                        What weapons the enemy has, and what weapons we have.

                        And we really do not want to repeat 41 years ...
                        We need to fight with weapons, new, high-quality, worthy, superior to the enemy - in fact ...
                        and not shrieking, hats, caps and insults ...
                        Here is your answer.
                        Don't read.
                        Hop into a corner and welcome ..
                      4. Soho
                        Soho 4 September 2020 20: 48
                        -7
                        So many words just to get out like a lady with low social responsibility ... although you are that and most likely
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                      6. Soho
                        Soho 5 September 2020 09: 54
                        -3
                        Are you self-critical about yourself ..

                        Switchman? I see ... not even surprised
                        I will beat you in a way that you don't know

                        Does the navel come loose, fighter? So far, all your "Mein Kampf", a citizen of Hitler of the local spill, is reduced only to pretentious verbiage laughing
                        You are a cheap demagogue, not a fighter.
                        I can already see everything, I have been working with the Internet audience for many years ...

                        Well, I found something to brag about. The fact that you are an experienced Internet troll and it is clear. Congratulations, you are the first Internet troll I have ever met on my salary. Before that I only heard about you good
                      7. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 5 September 2020 12: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Soho
                        Congratulations, you are the first Internet troll I have ever met on my salary. Before that I only heard about you good

                        You have no idea where I work.
                        To be honest, I work for the safety of Gazprom and TransNeft facilities throughout Russia.
                        So for the country I am doing enough really positive now.
                        No matter how you and others like you write me down as an enemy.

                        And they don't pay me at all for you single-celled ones.

                        You are entertainment for me.
                        Free ...
                        You try so hard to bite, offend ...
                        Not noticing how ridiculous you look.

                        And when thousands of people read such unicellular organisms, then they have questions about your real nature.
                        And they will not take your words seriously
                      8. Soho
                        Soho 5 September 2020 15: 58
                        -2
                        You have no idea where I work.

                        Is it like I should start to be afraid already? what
                        To be honest, I work for the safety of Gazprom and TransNeft facilities throughout Russia.

                        Just? And I thought that you were a simple chatterbox, but you turn out to be also a chatterbox with imagination good
                        No matter how you and others like you write me down as an enemy.

                        I honestly admit that I did not write you down as an enemy. Personal is meaningless, but for the enemy of the country you are too petty and pathetic.
                        You try so hard to bite, offend ...

                        Why bother? With your blunt pouting of your cheeks, you make yourself look like a fool. You wanted to hit me with a supposed job? Did not hit
                      9. Zvolinski alex
                        Zvolinski alex 5 September 2020 16: 29
                        +2
                        you're a schoolboy!
                      10. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 5 September 2020 19: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: Zvolinski Alex
                        you're a schoolboy!

                        Well, yes, since 1970 ... Of course, a schoolboy ... Just a nerd in a ballet class.
                        And I'm afraid of such vicious and strong uryakalok.
                        Right here, I'm afraid, I'm afraid ...

                        Unicellular ...
                        What to take from you ...
                        There is no brain.
            2. Zvolinski alex
              Zvolinski alex 5 September 2020 16: 25
              0
              With you, a plebeian person on you do not poke
            3. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 5 September 2020 19: 41
              +2
              Quote: Zvolinski Alex
              With you, a plebeian person on you do not poke

              Who are you, interesting ...
            4. Soho
              Soho 6 September 2020 07: 47
              -1
              To be honest, I work for the safety of Gazprom and TransNeft facilities throughout Russia.
              So for the country I am doing enough really positive now.

              Dude, explain this point. You allegedly work for the security of Gazprom. That is, to the state corporation, which, according to the liberoids, is Putin's feeding company. Then it is not clear for WHOM you are really doing a lot of positive things? laughing
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 4 September 2020 15: 46
      -3
      Quote: SovAr238A
      We are not praising America and Europe.
      We want, that we would have at least not worse.
      And there is no need to make such noise. Let a couple of blacks who have family history claims to whites, or refugees from the B.Vostok, into your apartment for a stay, it will be no worse for you.
    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 4 September 2020 20: 33
      +2
      Quote: sniperino
      Quote: SovAr238A
      We are not praising America and Europe.
      We want, that we would have at least not worse.
      And there is no need to make such noise. Let a couple of blacks who have family history claims to whites, or refugees from the B.Vostok, into your apartment for a stay, it will be no worse for you.


      I was talking about weapons ...
      And only about him.
      And your attempt to reduce to blacks and migrants speaks only about the level of your development and the ways to conduct polemics ...

      But ...
      I'll play along with you.

      I would let MLRS and HIMARS into our army.
      Arlie Burke and Nimitz.
      Virginia and marine drones.
      New Hawkeye and Poseidon.
      All these Predators, Tritons, Sentinels ..
      Even the F-35 would also be allowed.

      And the same Elon Musk with his Vials - he would definitely let him in.

      What we are missing as a class.
      Either in concept, or in implementation, or in quantity, or simply not ...
      And what we really need.
    4. sniperino
      sniperino 4 September 2020 21: 18
      -3
      Quote: SovAr238A
      I would put in our army for the wait ... what we really need
      Arlie Burke and Nimitz are desperately needed in Belarus, it's understandable ... Against whom are they going to fight, won't you tell?
    5. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 4 September 2020 22: 16
      +2
      Quote: sniperino
      Quote: SovAr238A
      I would put in our army for the wait ... what we really need
      Arlie Burke and Nimitz are desperately needed in Belarus, it's understandable ... Against whom are they going to fight, won't you tell?

      And against anyone who starts a conflict with us.
      Conflict / war - in the next 3-7 years, is simply inevitable.
      Until the age of 27, it will definitely explode.
      Somewhere and with someone.

      Many geopoliticians and analysts spoke about this back in the early 2000s.
      That at this very moment the authorities in the countries will change, priorities will change, memory will disappear, and peace will come from a situation where military action is necessary to "relieve pressure" ..
      That is why, not only in the Russian Federation, but in many other countries, there were programs, rearmaments similar to our type 2020.

      War in the near future. - is inevitable.

      But with whom?
      Did the Russians know in 1901 that there would be a war with Japan?
      Did the Russians know in 1913 that Finland and Poland would not be part of the empire?
      that in 1918-1919, in the very heart of Russia, the Czechs will fight?
      Did the Soviet people know in 1937 that in 5 years there would be a bread ration of 150 grams in Leningrad, and that the Germans would be in Stalingrad?

      Who knows who we'll have a bite with?
      But the fact that the war will be and will be non-nuclear is practically inevitable.
    6. sniperino
      sniperino 5 September 2020 11: 12
      -2
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Quote: sniperino
      Quote: SovAr238A
      I would let our army stand by ... Arleigh Burke and Nimitz
      Against whom are you going to fight?

      And against anyone who starts a conflict with us.
      Nimitz will start, then what? Will you drown him in the Belarusian Sea, or would you prefer to clean his ankle boots to American pilots? There is a doubt that you are Belarusian. You live near MTL-Arena, I suppose?
    7. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 5 September 2020 12: 13
      +1
      Quote: sniperino
      I suppose you live near MTL-Arena?

      Uh ...
      Countryman probably ...
      Near.
      At the Telecentre ..
    8. sniperino
      sniperino 5 September 2020 12: 26
      -2
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Near.
      It would be better to hang out on an auto-party than to throw provocative comments under the guise of a Belarusian.
    9. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 5 September 2020 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: sniperino
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Near.
      It would be better to hang out on an auto-party than to throw provocative comments under the guise of a Belarusian.

      And why on earth did you attribute me to the Belarusians?
      What is your train of thought then?
      Explain pliz.

      I've always voiced myself honestly.
      A resident of Samara and an employee of the system in which I have very frequent business trips to the north.

      I have been to Belarus only once.
      In 2010 or 2011.
      I bought a car there.
      That's all.

      On what basis, do you consider me a Belarusian?

      Well, you Google my nickname, well done.
      MTL-Arena was named associatively.

      So there is a brain, explain yourself pliz ...
    10. sniperino
      sniperino 5 September 2020 15: 20
      0
      Quote: SovAr238A
      And why on earth did you attribute me to the Belarusians?
      Sorry. hi In the evening I did not get out of the Belarusian context.
    11. sniperino
      sniperino 5 September 2020 16: 33
      -1
      PS
      Quote: sniperino
      In the evening I did not get out of the Belarusian context.
      Flickering-fading consciousness caught on your argument with Soho and immediately (Yesterday, 21:18) showed you the citizenship of the Republic of Belarus, you were silent, and silence is a sign of consent. He presented it, probably because of the "we" on behalf of whom you spoke, having entered into a dispute between Soho and DedkoyStary on Dedka's side. Both were inattentive. Are you satisfied?
  2. Soho
    Soho 6 September 2020 10: 55
    0
    I would let MLRS and HIMARS into our army.
    Arlie Burke and Nimitz.
    Virginia and marine drones.
    New Hawkeye and Poseidon.
    All these Predators, Tritons, Sentinels ..
    Even the F-35 would also be allowed.

    And the rotten, corrupt libertine tree has long dreamed of letting Americans into our territory. And then serve as their orderlies. This is a normal desire for traitors. During the Second World War, such people just went to serve in the Schutzmannschaft. And someone like you will make the perfect policeman.
  3. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 5 September 2020 12: 37
    +2
    Quote: SovAr238A
    The people see everything.

    The people are silent ... (By the way, you also did not say anything about the essence of the article ...) Because:
    Problems are seen only by specialists, and highly qualified, such as Maxim.
    But many do not have the courage to openly declare them.
    And Mina does! Many may think: from stupidity or vanity, pride ... But it seems to me that from conscience and love for their work.
    hi
  • Sckepsis
    Sckepsis 8 September 2020 07: 50
    0

    I "hatched" from the USSR, and gave the oath to HIM, and the present country is ... Scattering

    You have just confirmed the words of your opponent, few strikes are thrown at you, few. Eh, and I also stupidly added to the article ...
  • Snail N9
    Snail N9 4 September 2020 10: 26
    14
    And it has long been noticed that with a huge number of different types of "prototypes", "mass and size models", either new equipment does not come into serial production at all, or Soviet equipment is still being endlessly modernized. By all appearances, the military-industrial complex has lost its ability to mass production and has focused on sacking money through the creation of "prototypes" which are then endlessly "improved" and "modernized" without any planning of mass production because it is simply impossible. Therefore, endless "exhibitions", "presentations" and other ostentatious events are held, where hand-assembled single copies of "wunderwolf" are presented, and the troops are sitting on old Soviet equipment, slightly modernized, and often this "modernization" is either useless or even worsens the operation of this equipment ...
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 September 2020 06: 08
    +1
    The article evoked a dual range of feelings. It seems we can, but it seems like "worse than theirs" ...
    But "Juno" - "Perhaps" raised the mood! With a sense of humor, our people are doing well!)))
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 4 September 2020 12: 54
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The article evoked a dual range of feelings.

      The article is long, but much is far-fetched not even by the ears, but by the testicles.
      As a matter of fact, the very descent to the bottom of the Mariana Trench is nothing exceptional after the manned bathyscaphe "Trieste" by Auguste Picard and the US Navy did it in 1960. That is, thunderous applause should be reduced ...

      Author, why are you so modestly silent about the fact that Vityaz dived into the Mariana Trench AUTONOMOUSLY? That is, in automatic unmanned mode. That is, this is the first time in the world when the CAM underwater vehicle has done all this.
      1. timokhin-aa
        4 September 2020 13: 31
        +5
        Passing on the author's answer:

        Author, why are you so modestly silent about the fact that Vityaz dived into the Mariana Trench AUTONOMOUSLY? That is, in automatic unmanned mode. That is, this is the first time in the world when the CAM underwater vehicle has done all this.


        And what is the problem in the work of the AUV besides the depth of the Mariana Trench?
        Materials to ensure this, yes new, and really innovative (see the film "Military Acceptance").
        But as regards the control system, there are no fundamental differences (except for the special design of the antennas) for the control system of the AUV for "several kilometers" and "Vityaz" NO.
        So YOU, Monsieur Nexus, your "joyful tearing of the trampoline", still die

        The end of the transfer.
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      2. stalki
        stalki 4 September 2020 13: 55
        +1
        Author, why are you so modestly silent about the fact that Vityaz dived into the Mariana Trench AUTONOMOUSLY? That is, in automatic unmanned mode. That is, this is the first time in the world when the CAM underwater vehicle has done all this.
        Keep good yes, and something in the west does not shit as opposed to success.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 4 September 2020 06: 30
    +3
    However, the main question is different: as long as we have effective managers from AUVs and chase underwater robots (in their presentations and videos paid for a lot of money), there remains a very simple question: who will destroy the mines

    "-why did V. Alekverov manage to become billions in DOLLARS, and others are no longer possible?" at the expense of the state budget (once the NGDUs were also state-owned)
    that's all the motivation for effective managers - and they are right, for themselves
  • mark1
    mark1 4 September 2020 06: 32
    0
    Well, how does he know everything? In different cases, there are different sources to which you somehow need to get access (and the information is closed), all this must be collected (again, agent networks must be fed), systematized, comprehended and then surprise us with another article. I am silent about my relationship with my older brothers.
    1. timokhin-aa
      4 September 2020 09: 10
      +7
      Do you understand what level of clearance this person had just recently?
      1. frog
        frog 4 September 2020 09: 45
        +2
        Why understand something ?? Much miscalculated the four-thread about secrecy, the border locked and ..... "servility to the West." And that's it, no problem. It would seem....
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 September 2020 22: 24
        -1
        Was it just recently 7 years ago?
        1. timokhin-aa
          4 September 2020 22: 48
          +1
          Not. Not seven. Smaller.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 4 September 2020 06: 48
    +8
    very reminiscent of the show of the times of tsarist russia, you can see the desire of the country's leadership to turn the clock back to sleep
    1. timokhin-aa
      4 September 2020 09: 11
      10
      Yes, it is very reminiscent of window dressing, years that way 1902-1904.
    2. bayard
      bayard 4 September 2020 09: 35
      +5
      Quote: Ryaruav
      very reminiscent of the show of times of tsarist russia

      On the eve of RYAV and Tsushima.
      I read today about the modernization of submarines 949, 971 and 945 projects ... very sad ... and furious. EVERYTHING is being done so that Russia does not have a fleet.
      Battle-ready.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 September 2020 10: 39
        +4
        Quote: bayard
        I read today about the modernization of submarines 949, 971 and 945 projects

        Good day! And what did you read, if not a secret?
        1. bayard
          bayard 4 September 2020 11: 44
          +6
          On "Military Materials", the author is not listed. About what about ... the dates were whistling when it was possible to combine medium repairs with modernization, and now no more than 2 949, two 971 ... and whether this can be done with 945.
          On the face of it, obvious sabotage, because the president ordered the modernization of 949 to be carried out under the carriers of "Calibers" and Co., all 971 and 2 945 and 2 945A, but ... now it will turn out only that repair with maintenance, without modernization ... and not all.
          There was money, but ... they were apparently sent to the carriers of the future "Poseidons" (not mentioned at night), the frames were sent there ... the rest.
          As always, there are no responsible.
          The former commander-in-chief in a warm place at the USC ...
          And about the discrepancy between the price and ammunition ratio of the "Ash" ... even in comparison with the modernized (if it ever happens) "Baton".
          ... In general, that with the modernization of MAPL and SSGN, that in the civil, transport and special aircraft industry, that with AWACS aircraft ... that with many others ...
          Sabotage.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 September 2020 13: 37
            +6
            Quote: bayard
            ... In general, that with the modernization of MAPL and SSGN, that in the civil, transport and special aircraft industry, that with AWACS aircraft ... that with many others ...
            Sabotage.

            Let's put it this way: at the very least - criminal negligence.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 4 September 2020 13: 50
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Let's put it this way: at the very least - criminal negligence.

              Namesake, call a spade a spade-SABOTAGE.
        2. timokhin-aa
          4 September 2020 12: 39
          +2
          https://vz.ru/society/2020/9/3/1058182.html

          But there the editorial office crossed out everything interesting
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 September 2020 13: 34
            +3
            Moreover, the availability of long-range high-speed anti-submarine weapons in our fleet (anti-submarine missiles "Answer" and anti-torpedoes "Last") allows us to successfully intercept the initiative of the battle and win even with a significant advance in the detection and use of weapons by the enemy. That is, the upgraded 971-th project can and should win an underwater duel even against the newest Virginias (which do not have such weapons) with the Lasta and the Answer.

            Alexander, is it you? :)))))
            1. timokhin-aa
              4 September 2020 13: 35
              +3
              This is hypothetical.
              The answer is, Fins are not on the submarine. But in a couple of three years it can appear there if you work.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 September 2020 13: 57
                +2
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                The answer is, Fins are not on the submarine.

                So Klimov EMNIP argued that in its current form the Last will not be operational (not tested on modern types of torpedoes) or am I wrong?
                1. timokhin-aa
                  4 September 2020 19: 23
                  +1
                  There, the submarine will not be operational.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 September 2020 22: 26
      +1
      Moreover, this direction is very specific and in fact uninteresting - our fleet is in last place in terms of rearmament.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 September 2020 06: 55
    -1
    Is the chief designer in the photo? In the Soviet years, I met with the chief ... Chief designers. They looked ... different.
    1. timokhin-aa
      4 September 2020 09: 11
      +2
      What's the difference! The question is what the person is doing.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 4 September 2020 07: 33
    +9
    The article is too serious for a publication like Voennoye Obozreniye.
    1. timokhin-aa
      4 September 2020 09: 12
      12
      Nowhere else to publish this
      1. frog
        frog 4 September 2020 09: 43
        +5
        And if people with problems in other ... "fields of science and technology" catch up ??? After all, it will be completely sad ...
      2. Bez 310
        Bez 310 4 September 2020 10: 47
        +2
        Well, if only from this position ...
        1. frog
          frog 4 September 2020 10: 57
          +4
          So after all the problems are not only in the described area wink And even in it, with the ZPS section, you can find a lot of fun things. But who needs it ?? And in other spheres everything is different ??)) In the same way, the symbiotes sitting closer to the faucet are vigilantly watching, Schaub some "pots from the land of Uz" did not accidentally get through. For it may turn out that all the work of the venerable office is nothing more than masturbation (sorry, I ask the moderators in advance))). And how to transfer this sawmill / sawmill in the right direction? Not in terms of switching the streams to your beloved, but in terms of sending these ..... deserved ..... to felling. And finally start doing business. At least in terms of listening to a real user of these devices and holding normal contests ... However, what am I talking about, stupid ...
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 4 September 2020 13: 43
            +6
            Quote: frog
            At least in terms of listening to a real user of these devices and holding normal contests ..

            What kind of troublemaker you are, the right word. That way you and the tests will require in real conditions of specific theaters for real or as close as possible to them goals. smile
            1. frog
              frog 4 September 2020 13: 49
              +1
              And then !!! That's right, in Wishlist something))) That's just a lot of things will come out .... funny ..... That the current dvigunki to the right and other clumsy boxes seem like heavenly manna. Bo court offices are real ..... so thin ....... And not only them. For that, you will be funny wink
    2. bayard
      bayard 4 September 2020 11: 52
      +4
      Quote: Bez 310
      The article is too serious for a publication like Voennoye Obozreniye.

      Earlier and more serious articles happened, including the problems of opening the doors of the weapons compartment in supersonic mode and the use of weapons in this flight mode. With drawings, diagrams, formulas ...
      But that was before.
      Now, as a rule, the level of "Murzilka" and "Pionerskaya Pravda".
  • mark2
    mark2 4 September 2020 07: 47
    -3
    The general conclusion from what was read, as the ingenious locksmith intellectual Polesov said: No, you know, Elena Stanislavovna, what's that! They still have four General Electric Company motors. Well, these will somehow go, although the bodies are such rubbish! .. The glasses are not on rubber. I saw it myself. All this will rattle! .. Darkness! And the rest of the motors are Kharkov work. Continuous Gospromtsvetmet. They won't last miles. I looked at them ...
    And about the aforementioned retired admiral. Nobody is interested in the opinion of the retired already. Not military specialists or citizens. He could not do anything in his time, but now what to listen to. The former always suddenly untied their tongue, but before that, no, no
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 September 2020 09: 12
      +9
      Quote: mark2
      The general conclusion from what was read, as the ingenious locksmith intellectual Polesov said: No, you know, Elena Stanislavovna, what's that! They still have four General Electric Company motors. Well, these will somehow go, although the bodies are such rubbish! .. The glasses are not on rubber. I saw it myself. All this will rattle! .. Darkness! And the rest of the motors are Kharkov work. Continuous Gospromtsvetmet. They won't last miles. I looked at them ...

      No, the conclusion is different:
      - Tell the sovereign that the British do not clean their guns with bricks: let them not clean them here either, otherwise, God save the war, they are not good for shooting.
    2. timokhin-aa
      4 September 2020 09: 13
      +4
      And about the aforementioned retired admiral. Nobody is interested in the opinion of the retired already. Not military specialists or citizens. He could not do anything in his time, but now what to listen to. The former always suddenly untied their tongue, but before that, no, no


      It was he who was retired from the Navy, and in the field of NGOs at that time he was never retired.
    3. BAI
      BAI 4 September 2020 09: 20
      +3
      Nobody cares about the opinion of a retired person.

      If he is a recognized specialist in his field, he is very interested. Who said that he did not achieve anything in his time?
      Deputy Commander of the 2nd FlPL for armament and repair (05.1981 -09.1987);
      Head of the Department of Management of the 24th Central Research Institute of the Moscow Region (09.1987-08.1989).

      In a research institute, you can work in a civilian position after resignation (even at a quarter of the rate, we did) and be in the subject of events.
  • Scaffold
    Scaffold 4 September 2020 08: 46
    +7
    "Juno" is a classic unsystematic engineering.
    1. timokhin-aa
      4 September 2020 09: 13
      +8
      Good definition.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 September 2020 22: 32
      0
      More than a decent apparatus for the civil sector.
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 4 September 2020 08: 51
    +8
    Thanks to the author. Although I am a "boot", but a miner in the past, I can understand something by analogy, the material is filed competently and it is not difficult to understand. I read your articles with interest and understand perfectly well that you are trying to reach the common sense of officials and gentlemen admirals on all available sites. I wish you and all of us the best in this!
  • BAI
    BAI 4 September 2020 09: 12
    +1
    We look at the characteristics from the developer.

    And I would note here not the rate stabilization indicators, but the presence of radio communication (if it is carried out under water).
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 September 2020 09: 59
    +5
    Good article.
    Recently, it flashed, by the way, that the amerovsky unmanned underwater drone had just completed its circumnavigation. And he has been swimming for 5-10 years ...
    This is for our topics about Poseidon and other remogs ...
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 September 2020 10: 06
    +8
    I read the article with great interest, learned a number of new points for myself. The only thing you can regret is that VO is now almost the only platform where such publications are still possible. And on good terms it is necessary to write about it ... in many places.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 4 September 2020 10: 34
    -1
    Why don't we make films about underwater travel in search of artifacts, fish, animals. Everyone knows and looked about Calypso, Where did it float and what did it discover? Have we been told about everything.?
    Whoever has more information about the earth will be prepared for changes in climate and in the earth's crust.
  • mik193
    mik193 4 September 2020 11: 22
    +4
    Good article. It is a pity that it will not reach our great commanders and brilliant designers. They seem to be really able to drive only for show, around which with screeching, drooling affection, the magazines jump. Inevitably, he quietly dreams that it is for such cases that the Criminal Code would have articles "Wrecking", "Sabotage" with an orientation towards such effective managers.
  • bars1
    bars1 4 September 2020 13: 27
    +2
    Yes, and videoconferencing we have a similar situation, they drive a shaft for the production of junk. Recently, it was announced with fanfare that new contracts for the Su-35S, Su-30SM, and Su-34 had been concluded, instead of transferring the factories in Irktsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Novosibirsk to the production of the Su-57.
    1. timokhin-aa
      4 September 2020 13: 33
      +7
      Su-57 to match the declared performance characteristics as before China with cancer. The radar is not localized, there are no engines, there is no full range of new generation weapons.
      Well, and probably something else is missing.

      Let it be done on the sly so that the Aerospace Forces master new equipment in the centers of combat use, and so on until all the components enter the series.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 September 2020 22: 36
      0
      And that the previous Sushki Su 57 does not interfere in any way and does not refuse from the production of the previous MO, since the deer are not outdated physically and morally.
  • tech3030
    tech3030 4 September 2020 16: 13
    0
    If everything is as it is written it is hostile activity. This is not stopped, the conclusions are very sad ...
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 4 September 2020 16: 47
    +1
    But what if there is a war? For example, with Japan

    How, again? Some kind of deja vu straight.
    will glorify the heroic self-sacrifice of the next "Varangians"

    Naturally.
    But after all, in addition to "Varyag", the fleet was glorified by "Prince Potemkin-Tavrichesky" and "Ochakov" during that war and in the course of its consequences.
    And there was also a memorable expression of solidarity between the capital's workers and the national leader on January 9.
    And so, of course, the war is not tomorrow, and Admiral Makarov's appeal is definitely not addressed to the current officials
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 September 2020 22: 39
      -2
      "But what if there is a war? For example, with Japan" - This shiz must be used constantly in the themes of the Navy without fail.
  • Zvolinski alex
    Zvolinski alex 5 September 2020 16: 35
    +1
    very sensible article
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 5 November 2020 14: 27
    0
    A sad picture looms hi
    It is a pity that my specialty underwater naval weapons in 79 (PF LKI) is in such decline ...
  • Ersh
    Ersh 17 November 2020 12: 13
    -1
    Maxim Klimov is great! Keep it up! Let the adversary think. that we have nothing.
    I wonder what organization he works for? And what degree of tolerance does it have?
  • Vladimir Vlasov
    Vladimir Vlasov 26 November 2020 10: 24
    0
    Let the commander-in-chief, the minister of defense and their many-thousand diligent executors think about the defense capability of our troops. Others can only guess.