FSB liquidated six clandestine weapons workshops

The Russian FSB conducted a large-scale operation in nine Russian regions, during which 20 clandestine gunsmiths were detained and six armory workshops. This was reported by the DSP (Public Relations Center) of the FSB.

The operation was reportedly carried out in the Republic of Crimea, Krasnoyarsk Territory, Voronezh, Kemerovo, Leningrad, Moscow, Rostov, Sverdlovsk and Tomsk regions. In total, 20 people involved in the restoration of weapons were detained and six clandestine weapons workshops were liquidated.

The detainees are involved in the restoration of the combat properties of civilian weapons in clandestine workshops for the purpose of sale

- said in a statement.

In total, during the searches, 83 units of firearms of domestic and foreign production were found and seized: AKS-74U, AK-103, PPSh, PPS, Mosin rifles and carbines, SKS, SVT, AR-15, Mauser, pistols and revolvers TT, PM, SPSh, Glock, "Nagant". In addition, 16 grenades, more than 5 thousand cartridges of various calibers, over 100 main parts of weapons, five devices for silent shooting and 150 bayonets were seized.

At present, operational-search and investigative measures are continuing with the aim of establishing new facts of the unlawful activities of the detainees, as well as identifying possible accomplices.

Comments

[hrych]

The guys are just restorers. Legalize the short-barrel and let it go.

[Vend]

Quote: hrych

The guys are just restorers. Legalize the short-barrel and let it go.

The restorers work legally.

[Senka naughty]

And those who buy this stuff from them are collectors.

[hrych]

Quote: Senka Mad

collectors.

Exactly

[paul3390]

It is impossible to legalize the short-barreled just like that. To do this, first you need a powerful legislative, material and social base. And then the Avon in St. Petersburg - the local head of the metro, by his own will, generally forbade transporting anything, even spray cans. And give a fuck about all federal laws ..

[hrych]

In the subway, i.e. on transport, bans are justified. As well as in places where citizens gather. We have legalized long-barreled, rifled and smooth-bore automatic weapons. In terms of combat power, it is not much inferior to army models. And short-barrels are prohibited. Rave. Well, gunshot trauma. So the threshold for its application is lower.

[paul3390]

How, then, would you order to transport weapons to those who do not have a car? In general - according to the law, I have the right to transport weapons in a case and unloaded everywhere except an airplane. But in our country, every bossy mug puts a bolt on the laws.

And by the way - automatic is prohibited here.

[hrych]

No, automatic is allowed. Quote:
Automatic weapons - firearms, in which all reloading operations are performed automatically due to the energy of the powder gases released during the shot.

According to the Russian classification (GOST 28653-90), automatic weapons are divided into two categories:

Single-fire weapon (or self-loading)
Continuous fire weapon (or self-fired)

Those. firearms, long-barreled, automatic, self-loading, both rifled and smooth-bore are permitted. Automatic - self-firing is prohibited, i.e. continuous fire weapons.

[YOUR]

Quote: hrych

In terms of combat power, it is not much inferior to army models.

Yes, in some cases, superior. I never heard - the riot policeman sawed off. Cut-off of a semi-automatic hunting rifle. According to rumors, a certain amount was produced in the factory. An invention of the times of the Chechen wars, for cleaning premises.

[Doccor18]

He grew up in places where there was a weapon in every house. They were all hunters. Father to son the art of handling weapons from childhood instilled. Boys at the age of 12-13 went to the forest with guns themselves. There was not a single crossbow or other accident. There was a culture of handling weapons.
And there were a minimum of crimes in the district. Still, there is a whole arsenal in every yard.
And now young people do not know from which side to approach the PM or AK. Weapons are at least in use, and more and more crimes, from year to year.
The culture of handling weapons should be instilled from childhood, from school. Every guy should know a weapon, hold it in his hands.
As for the legalization of the short-barreled, I was against it before. And now for. Citizens have become too vulnerable to criminals. Especially in cities.
Legalization would level the odds and reduce the number of serious crimes.

[APASUS]

Quote: hrych

The guys are just restorers. Legalize the short-barrel and let it go.

Ha ha restaurateurs

Glock, five devices for silent shooting and 150 bayonet knives, "AKS-74U", "AK-103", AR-15

Ha ha The honor of modern weapons and also imported ones, where they dug in Syria for "restoration"?

[venik]

Quote: hrych

Legalize the short-barrel and let it go.

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Uh-huh! "Let go" ..... For eight years ...... Strict regime !!!
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Quote: hrych

The guys are just restorers.

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Here are just WHO with their "restorations" enjoys??

[Peter is not the first]

FSB liquidated six clandestine weapons workshops

It is imperative to change the title of the article, otherwise if you correlate the video sequence and the title, then these are not homemade works of underground workshops shown, but high-tech products of modern, but illegal, factories.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

In some ways you are right if this is a hobby. To have a revolver from the beginning of the last century, to have a mosink is also welcome, etc. etc. But to legalize the short-barreled ... No.

[Quadro]

Tired of the short-haired freaking. A saiga or a pump-action shotgun is enough to protect your home. As a rule, short-haired people are notorious and unbalanced punks, so any weapon is harmful, and the pistol will also be taken away. For defense on the street there is a gas canister, most of it is enough, but we have short-haired Rambo sofa, they will immediately blame for defeat. Anyone with a head in order will easily get a smoothbore.

[hrych]

What are you hanging? The short-barrel is needed precisely by women and senior citizens for protection. Half of our citizens are women, and from 50 to 70 years old, men are not physically able to confront on equal terms, as a rule, young and prepared criminals. Also, criminals feel impunity, knowing that the victim is defenseless. These deliberately pimples, who are physically inferior to criminals, and need a short-barreled, capable of stopping a criminal, and it is better to exclude him from the living, for nothing good will come from this rubbish. The short-barrel is not only for protecting the home, but also for protecting health and life on the street, where a door does not protect a person from a criminal.

Quote: Quadro

Anyone with a head in order will easily get a smoothbore.

That's right, you have a problem with it. A woman in the dark, will she return from work through Bitsa Park with a double-barreled gun? This is also prohibited. All raped, robbed and torn victims are on the conscience of those who did not protect them at the state level and did not give the right to defend themselves. And on your conscience, inclusive, a walking bodybuilder.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I already thought that they were really weapons workshops, but this is so ... On the knee they were remodeling.
In one railway depot, during the Soviet era, revolvers were made for "small". They say they sold for 25 rubles (those still). And they did it for a long time - they were well encrypted.

[Yurahip]

I know one person who, without education on his knees in locomotive workshops, made an automatic machine, and nothing, then became an academician ...

[Nikolay Fedorov]

They just need to be understood and forgiven ...

[Baloo]

until the consequences of the friendship between restorers and collectors will not affect you personally and all the other fans of the legalization of short-barrels.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Balu

until the consequences of the friendship between restorers and collectors will not affect you personally and all the other fans of the legalization of short-barrels.

If you think so, then more than half of domestic murders are committed with kitchen knives, regardless of size and purpose. A consequence of the friendship between the producer and the housewife.

[Quadro]

Quote: Ruswolf

Quote: Balu

until the consequences of the friendship between restorers and collectors will not affect you personally and all the other fans of the legalization of short-barrels.

If you think so, then more than half of domestic murders are committed with kitchen knives, regardless of size and purpose. A consequence of the friendship between the producer and the housewife.

Do you want a short barrel instead of knives? On the road, they still love to mutuz each other with bats and shoot with injuries, but they will be a firearm. Short-haired people have something completely leaking. There is a saiga for home defense.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Quadro

Do you want a short barrel instead of knives?

Who cares? The end is the same.

Quote: Quadro

There is a saiga for home defense.

Well, you can buy maxim
I don’t understand. What are you talking about?
You can kill anything and anyone. And the point is not what to prohibit, what to allow, but in the culture of handling weapons. And in the citizens. In their brains and behavior.
So you can ban firecrackers, fireworks, kitchen knives and meat hatchets. And if you refer to the 90s, then it is necessary to withdraw soldering irons and irons from the free sale and sell only with special permits in the presence of a safe at home and a certificate from a psychiatrist.
In Soviet times, even rapiers in sports goods were sold without any certificates or presentation of passports. Because of this, duels did not take place on the streets, and only children played musketeers.

[saigon]

The revolver is good, the machine sits comfortably in the hand.
Well done, just great.
The list is impressive, not sawed with a double-barreled hacksaw, machines are needed and hands are not from the tailbone.

[iouris]

Attention, the question is: how long has this network been working?

[Catfish]

And is it a network?

[Avior]

if this is not a network, then it should not have been covered at the same time.
one at a time would have grabbed.
unless, of course, someone specifically did not let them work after the opening, so that the effect of success was stronger.

[Catfish]

And it's not a fact that they were all taken at the same time, just the information was given in such a way as to be presented as a really interconnected network, and these are no longer single handicraftsmen, this is an ORGANIZATION. And the existence of a whole underground "organization" gives a good reason to tighten the screws stronger, and at the same time hang new stars on the shoulder straps.

[Avior]

Here I am about the same.

[A. Privalov]

All this is just baby talk. The problem is much more serious.

If in 2014 26,5 thousand such acts were registered, then, as reported in the Prosecutor General's Office Gazeta.Ru, in 2015 there were 3,2% more similar facts - 27,3 thousand. In addition, according to departments, from January to August 2016 alone, 19,7 thousand cases of illegal sale of firearms were registered in the Russian Federation, which is 1,9% more than the same indicator last year.

According to the portal of legal statistics, in 2019, 27 crimes in the field of arms and ammunition trafficking were identified, and over 452 thousand people were brought to criminal responsibility during this time.

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In the summer of 2018, FSB officers liquidated one of the corridors of such traffic. The criminal cartel included residents of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Yaroslavl. Almost 400 small arms were seized from the accomplices at various addresses, and two artisanal workshops for the production of ammunition were also found. Among the seized: 25 machine guns, 30 assault rifles, 70 submachine guns, 94 carbines, rifles and shotguns, 158 pistols and revolvers, two anti-tank rifles. Also in the arsenals were found a 45-millimeter infantry mortar, an AGS-17 grenade launcher, an explosive device, 15 hand fragmentation grenades, several kilograms of gunpowder, silencers, mines and components for weapons and ammunition.

[saygon66]

- Six workshops ... Well, there is a demand for their work ... It remains to find out why the population has such a craving for weapons?
- You can't explain it by national peculiarities, tea, not the Caucasus.

[Piramidon]

Quote: saygon66

It remains to be seen why the population has such a thirst for weapons?

Don't generalize. The population includes both criminals and law-abiding citizens

[saygon66]

- Aha! Law-abiding citizens are holding pickets for a complete ban on the circulation of firearms!
- I cannot give official statistics, but at work I see a considerable number of "law-abiding" people in the queues for obtaining permits to acquire weapons ...
- The easiest way is to blame everything solely on the criminal inclinations of some part of the population ...

[Catfish]

Demand creates supply, not vice versa. If we eliminate the reason that generates this demand, then the need for raids by any FSB and the National Guard will disappear immediately, as well as the presence of these offices on our necks. In the Soviet Union, the police were engaged in this and nothing, the streets were calm. And now the secret services have been thrown, there is nowhere to spit, you will definitely get into a "comrade", either in uniform or in civilian clothes. You might think that they can do something if the people get tired of this circus. There have already been examples in the history of our country.

[your1970]

Quote: Sea Cat

In the Soviet Union, the police were engaged in this and nothing, the streets were calm. And now the secret services have been thrown, there is nowhere to spit, you will definitely get into a "comrade", either in uniform or in civilian clothes.

- I'm embarrassed to ask - have you accidentally forgotten about the KGB? Or in the heat?
and also - "got the special services" - this is for you to the United States, there they are up to that very mother ..
And here, just like in the USSR, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, and that's it ...

[Catfish]

you accidentally forgot about the KGB

The office did not deal with trifles, if there was no political "bias", then all these dances with weapons were the business of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and it was quite coping with it.

And here, just like in the USSR, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, and that's it ...

And about the "guard" you grew up accidentally forgot? or in the heat of the moment?

[your1970]

Quote: Sea Cat

And about the "guard" grew up you accidentally forgot? Or in the heat of the moment?

about BB USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs poorly remember ??
"SMCM were created on the basis of the decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated July 23, 1966 No. 571" On measures to strengthen the fight against crime "and the order of the Ministry of Public Order (MOOP) of the USSR dated 30.09.1966 No. 03 "On the formation of special motorized militia units of the USSR MOOP", in connection with which September 30, 1966 is considered to be the Day of the SMChM formation (in 2016 - 50 years). The main purpose of creating reinforced and motorized police units was prevention of mass protests, riots, actions of civil disobedience, which already took place in the USSR in the second half of the 50s and early 60s. "

from renaming the rubber stick PR-73 began to hit harder or what ??

[Quadro]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Sea Cat

And about the "guard" grew up you accidentally forgot? Or in the heat of the moment?

about BB USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs poorly remember ??
"SMCM were created on the basis of the decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated July 23, 1966 No. 571" On measures to strengthen the fight against crime "and the order of the Ministry of Public Order (MOOP) of the USSR dated 30.09.1966 No. 03 "On the formation of special motorized militia units of the USSR MOOP", in connection with which September 30, 1966 is considered to be the Day of the SMChM formation (in 2016 - 50 years). The main purpose of creating reinforced and motorized police units was prevention of mass protests, riots, actions of civil disobedience, which already took place in the USSR in the second half of the 50s and early 60s. "

from renaming the rubber stick PR-73 began to hit harder or what ??

The idiots had a quirk about the National Guard, about the internal troops, which had existed for decades, they apparently did not know.

[Catfish]

Do you consider yourself a very reasonable person? What conceit. Do not strain too much, irreversible changes may occur. Although ... you are already on the right track.

[Catfish]

... from the renaming the rubber stick PR-73 began to hit harder or what ??

РўР ° Рє Рё СЏ РїСЂРѕ то же.

[fif21]

Any organized criminal group has a gunsmith. And nobody canceled the "black diggers". But some have a 50/50 weapon, while others have a prohibited trade. So that work and work.

[rotmistr60]

Recently, "gunsmiths" were detained and a couple of workshops were closed. If there is demand, there will be supply.

[Ross xnumx]

The topic is sensitive. It is ridiculous to consider this disclosure a great success. Surely in every regional center there is something like that. Actually, there are other supply channels. The same border Kazakhstan-Russia is not securely locked.
I agree with people who believe it is right to legalize "short-barreled". There were precedents for use. For some reason, I began to irritate the attitude of the state to the prevention of administrative offenses. some meager fines (for those who get caught): some kind of dog loyalty ...
But the fight against picketers and professors is on top ...

[your1970]

Quote: ROSS 42

Actually, there are other supply channels. The same Kazakhstan-Russia border is not securely locked.

- have you tried it?
I do not recommend ....
FSB SS work well enough - so the chance to sit down is great enough

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: your1970

- have you tried it?
I do not recommend ....

Overall, I am a law abiding citizen. I know that “narrow-minded people” learn from their own experience.
And the experience of using cheap alcoholic drinks from Kazakhstan was.
I repeat, the border is full of holes. If the information about the sale of Afghan drugs in the country is confirmed (passes), why is it impossible for weapons to emerge from "hot spots"?

[your1970]

Tell you how the alcohol was included? The "Help" principle worked (and works) everywhere from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad.

Before the crisis of 2008, Kazakh vodka was of very high quality and is practically not counterfeited, it was worth our penny. So they dragged her ...
After 2 crises (and a local one in Kazakhstan), the fall in the tenge exchange rate and the tightening of responsibility for the transportation of booze, it became economically unprofitable to transport it ...

With drugs, the situation is different - the product is too compact, expensive and easy to cover.

Weapon? Yes, it is theoretically possible, but too specific a product. You can't give it to the store in bulk ... At the same time, the price is pretty penny compared to drugs.
And there are not many buyers.

In general, it is believed in the world that if the customs and border guards catch illegalities within 15%, this is a very good result. Everything else should be caught by the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Even in the USSR, where the border is YEAR crossed the same number of people - as in the "House" and "Sharik" crosses now in WEEK, and there was no private trade in principle - nevertheless, it was quite possible to find Playboy, Solzhenitsyn and cocaine. You just had to know the places

Z. Y. We have a good and secure border ...

[KSVK]

Quote: hrych

We have legalized long-barreled, rifled and smooth-bore automatic weapons.

Well, everything is not automatic but self-loading.

Quote: hrych

In terms of combat power, it is not much inferior to army models.

And often even surpassing them. and significantly.

Quote: hrych

And short-barrels are prohibited. Rave.

Totally agree!

[Galleon]

rifles and carbines "Mosin"

Did the FSB press service begin to quote Sergei Ivanovich Mosin in quotation marks? This is an indicator of ... education. The text is probably not V-shny, repeats published by the department.

[Ruswolf]

Well! And they talked about the law on the self-employed, on the fight against poverty and unemployment.
Again, people without work.
If there are such homemade products, then why not assign them to some kind of sharashka? I am sure that there will be much more sense from them than from some representatives of the defense industry.

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Ruswolf

If there are such homemade products, then why not assign them to some kind of sharashka? I am sure that there will be much more sense from them than from some representatives of the defense industry.

Something tells me that some of them may turn out to be former workers of the defense industry. And the idea is so-so, the defense industry does not pay that much.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Senka Mad

Something tells me that some of them may turn out to be former workers of the defense industry. And the idea is so-so, the defense industry does not pay that much.

Are you sure that those who were directly involved in the assembly got the "cream"? So the difference between the salary (not per piece, but regular) and the period will be significant.

[KSVK]

Quote: A. Privalov

All this is just baby talk. The problem is much more serious.

There is a lie, there is a blatant lie and there are statistics.

Look at WHAT is included in these "terrible" numbers.
I'm more than sure that most of these "terrible" crimes are all nonsense. One had the safe not nailed to the wall, the second forgot the license, while going hunting, the third primer was kept outside the safe, the fourth smooth gunpowder was sold under a rifled license, the fifth was caught shooting weapons outside a specially equipped place, etc. etc.
But no one is usually responsible for real crimes.
I have not heard something about the dismissal of employees of the "oprichina", which issued a weapon license to yesterday's schoolboy who staged a massacre at a school in Novorossiysk (in my opinion).

[Senka naughty]

Quote: KSVK

But no one is usually responsible for real crimes.

And what, your listed violations are not violations? Any of the above will be punished. Matches are not toys for you.

Quote: KSVK

I have not heard something about the dismissal of employees of the "oprichina", which issued a weapon license to yesterday's schoolboy who staged a massacre at a school in Novorossiysk (in my opinion).

There was a case in Kerch, the investigation did not reveal any violations in the issuance of a license. 18 years old, all certificates are in order, what are the reasons not to issue? The guy identified himself as a novice hunter, turned out to be a psychopath. In general, everything is complicated there, he blew up the college floor .. You condemn people here, having no idea about the details, you even confused the location. It's a shame.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Senka Mad

The guy identified himself as a novice hunter, turned out to be a psychopath.

So here's the question for you, how did he go to a psychiatrist, if at 18 he is a psychopath. So no one checked it, but stupidly referred to the certificate that it is not registered?
Isn't that a violation? Or Ah! regulations for collecting documents. If all security officials know that half of 15-20 year olds are psychopaths because of computers and games, and they did not include the Psychiatrist Passage column, and not providing a certificate, is it not the fault? And you say there are no guilty ones.

[your1970]

Quote: Ruswolf

So here's the question for you, how did he go to a psychiatrist, if at 18 he is a psychopath. So no one checked it, but stupidly referred to the certificate that it is not registered?

Do you know other options ??? !!!

Quote: Ruswolf

If all security officials know that half of 15-20 year olds are psychopaths because of computers and games

- prove what are they psychopaths can do ???!
It is easy to blot with your tongue ...
Forensic psychiatric examination can take up to three months stationary surveys ....
Are you suggesting that all hunters be put in a psychiatric hospital for a couple of months to obtain a license ?????

Quote: Ruswolf

did not include the box Passing a psychiatrist, and not providing a certificate - isn't it your fault?

that is, you do not know that a certificate is issued only after passing a psychiatrist, and not just on the fact of "not being registered" ???

[Ruswolf]

Quote: your1970

that is, you do not know that a certificate is issued only after passing a psychiatrist, and not just on the fact of "not being registered" ???

You probably do not live in the Russian Federation. The reason for this conclusion is that, in principle, you do not know how they go to the psychiatrist's medical examination and what kind of information he gives and for whom.

[your1970]

Quote: Ruswolf

The reason for such a conclusion is that you, in principle, do not know how our psychiatrist goes to the medical examination and what kind of information he gives and for whom.

15 years possession of a hunting rifle (extended last year). In 2018 I changed my driver's license ...
Yes, they won't take it into the army, the old one ... but it doesn't even come to my mind anymore - where else I might need such certificates ...

[Nyrobsky]

It went a lot. This year, in my opinion, this is already the third mass liquidation of underground workshops with a wide geography of location. The only thing that is invariable is that Peter appears in all three cases. The opera is great - it's not in vain that they eat bread.

[KSVK]

Quote: Senka Naughty

There was a case in Kerch, the investigation did not reveal any violations in the issuance of a license. 18 years old, all certificates are in order, what are the reasons not to issue?

So why then all these references and a bunch of controlling "oprichina" if all this does not exclude such cases? Or is it time to change something in the "conservatory"?

Quote: Senka Naughty

You condemn people here, having no idea about the details, even the location is confused. It's a shame.

I am not judging anyone. Just giving my opinion. And first of all, about our moronic weapons law. Look, let's by law make it mandatory to keep matches in safes. There and the composition is similar. Rave. And they are performers, yes, such performers. There are only performers around and NOBODY is EVER to blame for ANYTHING. I was just performing. Fu. It's disgusting.

[Senka naughty]

Or is it time to change something in the "conservatory"?

Let's change to the best of our ability, grow to the conservatory, let's think about it.

I am not judging anyone. Just giving my opinion.

You were indignant why they were not fired, on what grounds?

And they are performers, yes, such performers. There are only performers around and NOBODY is EVER to blame for ANYTHING.

If you want to identify the guilty, get a job in the prosecutor's office if you have the appropriate education. If not, try yourself in protecting human rights, in the greenpeace after all. You can try as a security guard. What you write here in caps

NOBODY IS EVER to blame for ANYTHING

unfortunately changes nothing at all.

[Alexfly]

It is interesting, of course, but the lack of a legislative framework for the acquisition and use of short-barreled weapons hinders the development of new designs. The fact that the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs order something for themselves is not a masterpiece, since the range of use is limited. It is necessary to simplify the legislation, but the carrying of weapons ready for use should not be allowed ... My opinion.

[Dkuznecov]

Fine. As I understand it, until the number of workshops exceeded
over half a dozen, the guys from the FSB had some kind of restraining centers.
Then patience or hope for a peaceful outcome simply ran out.
Ma-la-dtsy.

[your1970]

Quote: DKuznecov

As I understand it, until the number of workshops exceeded
over half a dozen, the guys from the FSB had some kind of restraining centers

-version: that they took someone (chief / supplier) who knows about ALL workshops at the same time and quickly merged them - no?

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Regarding the "short barrel", let's say from 1993 to 2016, I went to service with military weapons almost every day, but according to our stupid laws, I need to own a smooth barrel for another year in order to get a rifled barrel, let's say I would not give up my personal PM , I know when it can be used, and when it is not, etc.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Quadro

Tired of the short-haired freaking. A saiga or a pump-action shotgun is enough to protect your home. As a rule, short-haired people are notorious and unbalanced punks, so any weapon is harmful, and the pistol will also be taken away. For defense on the street there is a gas canister, most of it is enough, but we have short-haired Rambo sofa, they will immediately blame for defeat. Anyone with a head in order will easily get a smoothbore.

will you scare away dogs too? Before you have time to yell, they will tear you apart. A short-stem should be in every family.

[your1970]

Quote: Dzafdet

A short-stem should be in every family.

The laws of the countries where it is allowed to own KSom read first .. How many years will you be given there for the dogs killed ...
And about the United States, at the same time, where a husband and wife with a rifle NOT shooting - just threatening, they tried to protect their home ... They are shining 4 years in prison, they are awaiting trial