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The Ministry of Defense will receive more than 120 BMP-2M with a combat module "Berezhok"

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The Ministry of Defense will receive more than 120 BMP-2M with a combat module "Berezhok"

By the end of 2022, the Ministry of Defense will receive more than 120 updated BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles with the Berezhok combat module. Reported by "News" with reference to sources in the military department.


According to available information, the Ministry of Defense plans to receive 124 BMP-2M in the next two years. The vehicles equipped with the Berezhok combat module will go to the Western Military District. The first batch of new infantry fighting vehicles should be delivered this year.

It is reported that the Tula enterprise Shcheglovsky Val will be engaged in the modernization of the BMP, which has successfully fulfilled the contract for equipping 360 Algerian BMP-1 and BMP-2 with the Berezhok combat module. To fulfill the order for the Russian army, a special separate workshop was opened at the enterprise.

In the course of modernizing the BMP, in addition to the combat module itself, they will receive new turbocharged engines and a reinforced suspension. In addition, armor will be added to the BMP.

The inhabited two-seat combat module B05Ya01 "Berezhok" is a classic BMP-2 turret, but with an updated armament system: instead of the main gunner's sight BPK-2-42, a combined sight with an independent line of sight stabilization system in two planes is installed. It combines sighting optical, thermal imaging and laser rangefinder channels, as well as a guided missile guidance channel.

The armament of the BMP consists of anti-tank guided missiles "Kornet" with an effective firing range of 5 km with the ability to use in the daytime and at night against heavily armored targets, a 30-mm cannon to combat lightly armored vehicles and enemy infantry. In the aft part of the tower, an AG-30M 30-mm automatic grenade launcher is installed with an independent vertical guidance drive and a food store for 300 grenades.
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  1. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 11: 01
    -35 qualifying.
    The Ministry of Defense will receive more than 120 BMP-2M with a combat module "Berezhok"

    While the Ministry of Defense is modernizing the cardboard, someone buys another yacht the size of an aircraft carrier. And the fools are forced to cohesion and patriotism.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 September 2020 11: 07
      +8
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      While the Ministry of Defense is modernizing the cardboard, someone buys another yacht the size of an aircraft carrier. And the fools are forced to cohesion and patriotism.

      Eck is bursting with you, and Friday evening only the day after tomorrow. Sadness, sadness.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 11: 34
        -23 qualifying.
        That is, you have them of the category which brewed unity and patriotism?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 September 2020 11: 55
          +5
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          That is, you have them of the category which brewed unity and patriotism?

          I don't quite understand how rallying and patriotism can be fostered.
          Do you have any unpleasant associations with stealing? Did you get married unsuccessfully?
          1. Kart
            Kart 2 September 2020 12: 17
            +2
            Don't pay any attention, dear Sidor, uh ... Andromedovich.
            This is from the category of cave Russophobia.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 26
              -17 qualifying.
              Well, you are not like me, you are from the category of cave dementia, as well as the one to whom you are pushing.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 29
            -17 qualifying.
            That is, I'm right.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 2 September 2020 13: 17
              +4
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              That is, I'm right.

              Actually, you're just a boor. And it is stupid to have a discussion with you. On the whole, there is a gradual slide to the level of the censor. It's a pity...
    2. Berber
      Berber 2 September 2020 12: 26
      -1
      Are you jealous? Do not. Envy is a bad feeling laughing
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 30
        -16 qualifying.
        Are you really bad? To envy what and to whom? Those who will fight on this at least against delirium can only be pitied.
        1. Berber
          Berber 2 September 2020 12: 36
          +8
          Why are there such fears? You might think that there will be a one-on-one way out. And where did you get the idea that Bradley is better? Algerians are probably not stupid, since they went for such a modernization.
          ps We did not sit at the same table and did not baptize children. Let's respect each other.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 49
            -14 qualifying.
            Algerians can fight on anything. Even on camels. Since raving is better in many respects in terms of security, characteristics of weapons, electronics, etc.
            1. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 2 September 2020 14: 28
              +2
              Since raving is better in many respects in terms of security, characteristics of weapons, electronics, etc.

              There is a film about how they took Bradley into service - "The Pentagon Wars"
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 2 September 2020 15: 09
              +2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Algerians can fight on anything. Even on camels.

              Algerians have enough money and a wide variety of options. However, they settled on "Berezhka".
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 17: 35
                -8
                Well, apparently now Algeria is a great power. We will be guided by it. And to the other great banana republics.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 3 September 2020 00: 31
                  +5
                  In general, it is Algeria that is oriented, and it is oriented correctly. Our old, previously purchased BMP-1 and BMP-2 were modernized at our enterprise and we are quite satisfied with this.
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  delirium is better in many respects in terms of security, characteristics of weapons, electronics, etc.

                  In terms of security, yes, the armor is thicker, but our BMPs are floating. And there is no advantage in armament.
                  Our cannon is better, ATGMs neutralize any opponent's armor, electronics for BMP ... in battle, rather excess. The price of our BMPs is several times cheaper, and the modernization of existing ones is even more so.
                  Infantry fighting vehicles, according to the experience of recent wars, are increasingly playing the role of well-armed armored personnel carriers, because they try not to go into battle - any grenade launcher, and even more so ATGM, is fatal for them.
                  Russia has tens of thousands of BMP-1 and BMP-2 in warehouses and storage bases, so the modernization of the existing ones is much preferable to building new "Kurganets" - fortunately, at the last exhibition of "Kurganets" you will not see it.
                  In war, quantity always beats quality. Especially the quantity at an affordable price versus the quality at a prohibitive price.
                  And for better security and firepower, there is the BMP-3.
    3. tagil
      tagil 2 September 2020 13: 40
      +3
      Embittered that an aircraft carrier with a yacht is sailing past you? Go to the liberals, after their victory they will give you an island, maybe life, in the Arctic Ocean and a barge. Or maybe they will write to the heavenly hundred. In general, you have a chance.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 17: 34
        -7
        And again these songs are about liberals, Ukraine and other shiz. Yes, embittered, at all our domestic capitalists and scum who are nudging them. But you do not care, you probably are one of those who hope if something in the rear will serve. You don't care about those who will fight on this junk.
        1. tagil
          tagil 2 September 2020 21: 05
          +4
          Listen, worried, I will fight with my bare hands, even with the T-34, and if everything starts seriously, before the army, so you would take care of yourself, and I strongly doubt that you will be in the forefront of American "penguins" meet at the border at the base. And who will fight what will be figured out without you somehow. And in order to draw conclusions about the BMP-2, you must at least have an idea of ​​what kind of vehicle it is and what BMP the enemy has and how many of them, and how much better they are than ours. Since you do not understand anything about this, the Internet will help you (at least you can see the pictures). And yes, BMP Bradley (which you put below as an example) is still that crap created in the 70s to have something in the army against our BMP-1.
          And again these songs are about liberals, Ukraine and other shiz. Yes, embittered, at all of our domestic capitalists and scum who nudge them.
          You obviously don’t pull on a communist to hate any bourgeois so much (well, foreign capitalists are strangers and correct, you don’t care about them), only you have forgotten that you live in the country of victorious capitalism, and you can become a bourgeois yourself. But little brains are visible. But if you personally had dishonestly earned millions, I strongly doubt that you would donate them to an orphanage, or to a home for the disabled. BUT you have one option, where you can even put the crap on the wall at the stadium - this is China. Move there and you will be happy.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 22
            -9
            Why does our oligarchy have such stupid guards at the suction? Hand face. Get lost under the baseboard cheap stuff from where you crawled out.
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 17
      -9
      Alisher Usmanov's yacht costs 600 million dollars, the dollar is about 75 rubles. According to a recent contract in 2019, one BMP-3 cost the Ministry of Defense something about 86 million rubles. Now consider the stupid patriots. And yes this is just one yacht of one person. And if tomorrow your children die in these cans, blame only yourself.
      1. bayard
        bayard 3 September 2020 01: 15
        +1
        Did you even understand what you wrote?
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        According to a recent contract in 2019, one BMP-3 cost the Ministry of Defense something about 86 million rubles.

        And now I myself have googled how much it costs to upgrade one BMP-2 to the level presented in the article. And calculate how much the cost of one BMP-3 can be upgraded to the BMP-2.
        Did you count it?
        Here's your answer, what we will fight.
        In war, quantity always beats quality. During WWII, Germany had very good Tiger and Panther tanks, but they were very expensive, difficult to manufacture and capricious in operation. And our industry massively produced T-34, which was much worse than opponents in quality (armor protection, quality of optics, quality of shells, visibility to the commander), but we could roll out five T-34s on one Panther, and one Tiger - ten, and still decided on the battlefield.
        And finished them off in Berlin.
        In order to fight, you need to have THAT, what and on what to fight. We have old BMPs at our storage bases in bulk - upgrade them for a reasonable price and ensure massive use.
        But from "Kurganets" seems to be completely abandoned.
        And it is right .

        ... And if the armor protection of the BMP is not satisfied, then there is the Afghan experience of enhancing the armor. And if this experience is not available, then welcome to our Donbaa to exchange experience, we know how to strengthen the defense on their own.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 3 September 2020 07: 02
          -6
          Quote: bayard
          Here's your answer, what we will fight.

          You are Ukrainians what you want and so fight. At least with fighting carts.
          Quote: bayard
          In war, quantity always beats quality.

          You can immediately see a person with a little more intelligence than a stool. Tell me the storyteller then why the hell are they developing new weapons?
          Quote: bayard
          And our industry massively produced T-34, which was much worse than opponents in quality (armor protection, quality of optics, quality of shells, visibility to the commander), but we could roll out five T-34s on one Panther

          We did not release the T-34 because of a good life.
          Quote: bayard
          But from "Kurganets" seems to be completely abandoned.
          And it is right .

          This is fucking wrong. If you decide to die this is your problem, you don't need to drag others along with you.
          Quote: bayard
          then welcome to us in Donbaa to exchange experience, we have

          Thank. Nehru to do there in this mess. Arranged Somalia close to Russia.
          1. bayard
            bayard 3 September 2020 08: 48
            +2
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            You are ukrainians

            I am Russian, from Russian parents, born in the RSFSR, a citizen of Russia.
            And you, citizen, what kind of tribe, what state is a citizen? Huh?
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

            You can immediately see a person with a little more intelligence than a stool.

            Well, the intellect is okay. lol A reserve officer, a member of the Military Scientific Society since 1985, was a member of the VNO presidium in one of the disciplines, was the best among the graduates of his university in a number of disciplines, the winner of the Olympiad in intelligence training ... this is all in his youth. You don't need to know more.

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Tell me the storyteller then why the hell are they developing new weapons?

            It is necessary to develop the NECESSARY and appropriate for the Armed Forces models of weapons, "Kurganets is not such - it did not come out. request
            Were you interested in the price? Almost like two T-90Ms.
            Ready to Buy?
            And the size came out ... fellow - the dream of a grenade launcher.
            But now they are sculpting a new modification of the BMP-3 with elements from "Kurganets" - it comes out much better. But it's still expensive, so the army won't get much of this.
            A lot is NECESSARY. For armored vehicles are the firewood of war.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            We did not release the T-34 because of a good life.

            And what are you talking about?
            From what kind of life?
            By the summer of 1941, the tank was still quite raw, unfinished, with a poor gearbox and not optimal suspension, poor visibility for the commander ... But the tank was very promising, and it was brought up during the war. And by 1944 (T-34-85) they did.
            But it was a very technologically advanced tank, which the industry could produce in large quantities and for reasonable money (yes, money in the Land of the Soviets, even during the war, was well considered), which were repaired by rembats in the front-line zone and returned to service up to 70%.
            And by the beginning of 1941 we had no better medium tank.
            The dignity of the T-34 is in its MASSIVITY.
            And acceptable performance characteristics.
            The same with "Kurganets" - 4 - 5 million dollars. , this is the price of the new "Armata" T-14.
            ... Our T-72 is being modernized according to the most budget version, and in this case it is just "not from a good life" - for the sake of MASS, because it is necessary to quickly update the MBT fleet.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            If you decide to die this is your problem, you don't need to drag others along with you.

            I am the seventh year in the war.
            I definitely won't take you with me, don't even hope.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Quote: bayard
            then welcome to us in Donbaa to exchange experience, we have

            Thank. Nehru to do there in this mess. Arranged Somalia close to Russia.

            Uti ways lol ... "patriot" laughing , you crawled out from under what fence?
            Dash into your "nezalezhny" gadyushnik, because you slept no further, Makarka ... lol Drive your calves, don't mess up the forum.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 3 September 2020 12: 51
              -8
              Quote: bayard
              A reserve officer, a member of the Military Scientific Society since 1985, was a member of the VNO presidium in one of the disciplines, was the best among the graduates of his university in a number of disciplines, the winner of the Olympiad in intelligence training ... this is all in his youth. You don't need to know more.

              Obviously I should be impressed by the regalia. But no, it didn't work. It doesn't matter to me at all what certificates and trinkets you have. The mind in a person is important to me. You haven't demonstrated it yet. Quite the opposite.
              Quote: bayard
              It is necessary to develop the NECESSARY and appropriate for the Armed Forces models of weapons, "Kurganets is not such - it did not come out.

              And the BMP 3 did not come out apparently either. Therefore, we are upgrading BMP 2.
              Quote: bayard
              But now they are sculpting a new modification of the BMP-3 with elements from "Kurganets"

              I have not heard about such a miracle yet.
              Quote: bayard
              For armored vehicles are the firewood of war.

              Apparently that's why they decided to use rotten wood. So as not to kindle.
              Quote: bayard
              And by the beginning of 1941 we had no better medium tank.
              The dignity of the T-34 is in its MASSIVITY.
              And acceptable performance characteristics.

              Unfortunately. And the performance characteristics there were acceptable only because there were no other options, they took what they gave.
              Quote: bayard
              Our T-72 is being modernized according to the most budget version, and in this case it is just “not from a good life” - for the sake of MASS, because it is necessary to quickly update the MBT fleet.

              I understand perfectly why they are doing this and why you are holding there, we have enough for yachts for people with good faces, but not even enough for normal modernization.
              Quote: bayard
              I am the seventh year in the war.
              I definitely won't take you with me, don't even hope.

              It's strange how you only survived. I myself will not go on reconnaissance with you, I still want to live.
              Quote: bayard
              Dash into your "nezalezhny" gadyushnik

              You have a nearer gadyushnik, so you have killed all who could of the more or less respected commanders. There were apparently only opportunists and opportunists left.
  2. Sailor
    Sailor 2 September 2020 11: 07
    13
    The most interesting thing is that Algeria has modernized 360 units, and for a huge country as many as 124, in "record time"!
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 September 2020 11: 10
      17
      Quote: Sailor
      The most interesting thing is that Algeria has modernized 360 units, and for a huge country as many as 124, in "record time"!

      Well, Algeria can afford to upgrade as many as 360!
      After all, its own Strategic Missile Forces, aviation, fleet (including underwater), etc. Algeria has already successfully modernized.
      Not like some! (srkm)
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 11: 35
      -22 qualifying.
      For our country, this modernization is just a shame.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 September 2020 12: 13
        +6
        what is shameful about her? the main BMP is 2. it has improved characteristics and is being modernized.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 32
          -15 qualifying.
          It is shameful that, according to its characteristics, this machine is a hopelessly outdated technique from the last century. With cardboard armor, it is cramped and uncomfortable.
      2. Kart
        Kart 2 September 2020 12: 18
        0
        For your former Ukraine, this is definitely a shame.
        To love such a military-industrial complex.
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    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 September 2020 14: 08
      0
      Quote: Sailor
      The most interesting thing is that Algeria has modernized 360 units, and for a huge country as many as 124, in "record time"!

      Who pays, he orders the music.
    4. bayard
      bayard 3 September 2020 01: 33
      0
      Quote: Sailor
      The most interesting thing is that Algeria has modernized 360 units, and for a huge country as many as 124, in "record time"!

      For Algeria 360 pcs. , this is together with the BMP-1, on which the module from the BTR-82A was most likely installed. Yes, and this contract is not a single one - and BMP-3s are being purchased little by little, and these 124 units. - the figure is not final, and the same BMP-1 with a module from the BTR-82A ... are also purchased. Yes, and maybe we have an army, but the budget is not rubber. The T-72 is also being modernized according to the most budgetary version, but the mass scale is ensured.
      I would like more and better, but even so it's not bad, and the booking can be enhanced with additional screens ... if you don't have to swim.
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 4 September 2020 15: 30
        0
        Well T-72B3M arr. 2016. still wherever it went and it could have been better in terms of protection and ZPU, but before that it was just "empty"!
  3. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 September 2020 11: 20
    +1
    Are you planning to upgrade the BMP-1?
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 2 September 2020 11: 28
      -1
      The habitable two-seat combat module B05Ya01 "Berezhok" is a classic BMP-2 turret
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 2 September 2020 12: 22
      0
      Are you planning to upgrade the BMP-1?

      In Basurmanin. But most likely for sale.
      1. bayard
        bayard 3 September 2020 01: 38
        0
        No, they say "Basurmanin" went to the troops ... In fact, this is bringing the BMP-1 to the level of the BMP-2 in armament.
        Apparently it gets hot, if such antiquity was pulled from storage bases - this is only good in case of mass mobilization.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 34
      -14 qualifying.
      It would be generally a fabulous bottom.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 September 2020 11: 23
    -4
    The indicated amount is, of course, a drop in the bucket. I think Kantemirovtsy will be given or another "court" division.
    I would like such news to appear regularly.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 2 September 2020 12: 25
      +5
      They appear regularly.
      Algeria, I suppose, all the BMP modernized at once.
      We are modernizing battalion kits.
  5. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 2 September 2020 11: 40
    +2
    Of course, old boxes need to be modernized, but when will there be any Kurgan?
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 36
      -10 qualifying.
      The old boxes should be thrown into the dump, then kicked out with pendulums and taken away what they squeezed out all sorts of scum in the 90s, and finally, with shock rates, bring the Kurganets and T-15 to mind. And to purchase and put into service the BMP 3.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 2 September 2020 16: 55
        +1
        Do not throw them away under 7k? Is it better to sell or transfer the same to Syria? She corton, of course, but the question is in the application, if instead of OBT you do not drag then absolutely nothing for support and the 3rd is essentially the same only in profile.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 18: 00
          -2
          This is another question. And the BMP 3 has at least some kind of armor, and according to the characteristics of the rest, it is much better. Although, of course, the Kurgan with the T-15 would have been better, but when will we wait for them at such a rate.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 2 September 2020 23: 14
        0
        And to purchase and put into service the BMP 3.

        So they are also bought. and about the same number in which 2 are modernized
  6. marchcat
    marchcat 2 September 2020 11: 52
    +5
    For Algeria, the BMP-2M may be good, but we need it, so many new developments and out of place. There is practically nothing in the troops.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 September 2020 12: 17
      -5
      all is well with the troops. preparation is underway. new equipment arrives and old equipment is modernized. maintenance of combat readiness is in full swing. raw technology and even expensive to accept fools. even if the change had already been going on for decades. because you can't steal 3500 thousand BMPs and wait for new ones to build.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 17: 43
        -2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        because you can't steal 3500 thousand infantry fighting vehicles and wait for new ones to be built

        And who says that everything should be thrown out at once? An attempt to ascribe your stupid opinion to opponents? But yes, we will save money by upgrading the hopeless junk. If only people with good faces did not show themselves in anything.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 September 2020 17: 53
          -3
          modernization is an ongoing process. it doesn't stop. because there is such a term-READINESS. it is not saving. this is a ghost in combat readiness and for solving problems of the main technology that is in service. you climb into something that you have no idea and write nonsense from which teeth drive. even if mass deliveries of the latest technology begin tomorrow, the modernization of the old will continue because the parts must be completed and ready to perform the tasks. while one battalion is mastering new equipment, the rest must be READY! This module makes it possible to increase the firepower of the main BMP in service. the change of generations of technology is a painful and long process and it takes a very long time. well, or as with t64 when in the exercises, having filled up the GSVG with them, half simply fails. stepping on the same rake is stupid and immensely expensive.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 38
      -11 qualifying.
      Well, the jackals, the henchmen of the oligarchy, in a deceitful patriotic frenzy, amicably rejoice at this shame, which is overwhelming for them.
  7. Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 2 September 2020 11: 57
    -10 qualifying.
    "They will bury you in it" (c) kf "Ruthless People" in BMP 1, 2, cremation as a gift.
  8. Graz
    Graz 2 September 2020 12: 13
    +1
    Well, such a strengthening, the people and the army expect the best from the MO, but it turns out as always.
    swing for a ruble, and a blow for a penny
    1. Kart
      Kart 2 September 2020 12: 20
      0
      What are the "people" waiting for?
      Probably the Death Star battle space station, like in an American movie.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 12: 44
        -9
        The bot is immediately visible on the suction of the oligarchy. Deceitful stupid demagoguery is their distinguishing marker. And the Kurgan, boomerang, T-15, but at least BMP 3 are they not needed? Will we stop a hundred times to modernize rusty cans that still remember the storming of Berlin?
    2. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 2 September 2020 12: 25
      +1
      So the army is huge. Money is smeared, and the defenses and resource of equipment are average. So they support it.
      Whoever maintains and maintains all equipment in service in hangars (and sometimes in the open air).
      There are many indirect costs.
      You buy 1000 new infantry fighting vehicles with uninhabited towers, and with this money you can update 7-10 thousand units of worthless junk, that's a paradox. Either cut and scrapped (as partners do), or smeared like this.
  9. Hagen
    Hagen 2 September 2020 13: 44
    +8
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    The indicated amount is, of course, a drop in the bucket. I think Kantemirovtsy will be given or another "court" division.
    I would like such news to appear regularly.

    If we have in mind the real fighting, then I would not recommend the BMP 1/2 to my son either as a crew or as a landing party. No modernization, even strengthening of the armor will help this car. The opposing motorized infantry is sitting today on more protected vehicles with armor against 30x165, and we are putting ours on vehicles that the M-2 will take on board through and through. For general information, maybe someone does not know, behind the back of the landing there is a fuel tank for 350 liters of diesel fuel, the vapors of which can also be set on fire, in the doors of the landing there is also diesel fuel, it is not said anywhere and we were not told earlier that the tanks are protected and with the injection of exhaust gases ... Bottom line: one 12,7 mm armor-piercing incendiary bullet in the side at any angle takes the entire landing to heaven. The adversary put a 20mm submachine gun on infantry armor long ago, and today it is starting to put 40mm, in the future - 50. Why do we need to carry the infantry on expensive infantry fighting vehicles? Cheaper on Gazelles, because the result is the same. APCs are the same song.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 September 2020 14: 13
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      If we have in mind the real fighting, then I would not recommend the BMP 1/2 to my son either as a crew or as a landing party.

      Will your son follow the commander's orders or your advice in battle?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 2 September 2020 16: 15
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Will your son follow the commander's orders or your advice in battle?

        My son followed my advice in peacetime. And in the military, of course, he will follow the orders of the command. But he will not go to the infantry, he has a different VUS. Advice should be on time, then they will not contradict orders. laughing
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 2 September 2020 14: 22
      +2
      As the experience of the war in Donbas has shown, any BMP is better for transporting soldiers than an UAZ or Gazelle. But this is from the point of view of the APC. For participation in modern combined arms combat and following in the same line with tanks, the BMP-1/2 are no longer suitable due to weak protection, it is more reasonable to use BMPT and / or heavy infantry fighting vehicles on a tank chassis.
      But to give the infantry a lift to the front edge, if something to support with fire and / or cover from the shooters' fire - the BMP-1/2 will still do. In addition, we have the bulk of the reservists trained on the BMP-1/2
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 2 September 2020 16: 12
        +2
        Quote: Cympak
        But to give the infantry a lift to the front edge, if something to support with fire and / or cover from rifle fire - BMP-1/2 will still fit

        I would like to see how this "ride" looks like in the articles of the BUSV. And then immediately the answers to the questions, what is suitable and in what capacity. Everything is simple and clear ...
        1. good
          good 2 September 2020 17: 54
          0
          If anything, in the infantry units of the valiant American army, soldiers are still being brought up on ordinary trucks, and then on foot and only the reinforcement drives a Humvee or maybe cars with machine guns, then, and grenade launchers on turrets, and all three bakhals do not put on one car, but only two ...
          The BMP-2 with such a modernization is in any way better able to support its squad than waiting for the reinforcement company to jump on the pickups, which are also not so hot as armored and armed worse.

          These 120 modernized behs will definitely not interfere even once.
          And they do them at the expense of the reserve and profit for modernization for Algeria.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 3 September 2020 07: 43
            -1
            Quote: d0bry
            If anything, in the infantry units of the valiant American army, soldiers are still being brought up on ordinary trucks.

            At one time, they also brought us to parades in the Urals and ZiLakh. And in the MSR in the state there is not a single Ural, only an infantry fighting vehicle or an armored personnel carrier. In the state of the Ministry of Natural Resources of the adversary Bradley (from 21 to 34 tons of mass) or Marder (28 - 33 tons). As far as I understand, the top management do not plan to fight with an equal enemy until the time of the final disposal of the BMP-1,2, in the hope that we will manage with local conflicts of medium intensity, which is well founded. In fact, the most likely threat to the country today is the "non-systemic liberoids" and the active "all-fighters" who have joined them.
      2. sedoj
        sedoj 2 September 2020 19: 49
        +4
        Quote: Cympak
        For participation in modern combined arms combat and following in the same line with tanks, the BMP-1/2 are no longer suitable due to weak protection,

        He served in the 75-77 years on the BMP-1. Even then, they were not intended to attack in one line with the tanks. The first line of attack is tanks, then the infantry runs, and only then the infantry fighting vehicles, supporting them with fire from the "Thunder" and a machine gun. Well, "Baby", if necessary.
  10. Husit
    Husit 2 September 2020 17: 42
    0
    Well, I look here kicked off one "it would be better if the pension was raised" .. In my opinion, good cars and the number too ..! Let's just rejoice a little, otherwise there is so much hatred for what Russia is creating and how it behaves in world politics .. Let it be ruined, but the caravan is moving on!
  11. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 2 September 2020 21: 53
    0
    "Scheglovsky Val"
    Already scary from the name itself.
  12. Lesorub
    Lesorub 3 September 2020 09: 27
    +4
    The Ministry of Defense will receive more than 120 BMP-2M with a combat module "Berezhok"

    Modernization of the BMP 1/2 is "good" - the more that there are thousands of them, only in Algeria this modification has been made since 2007, we have modernized an insignificant amount - with such success it is necessary to introduce the BMP "Kurganets" into the troops - which is armored and armed by an order of magnitude - and not pull the cat for one place!