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"Can become a destroyer of Western tanks": the US press appreciated the Russian Hermes complex

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"Can become a destroyer of Western tanks": the US press appreciated the Russian Hermes complex

The promising Russian anti-tank complex "Hermes", presented at the military-technical forum "Army-2020", may become the "destroyer" of Western tanks... American publicist Peter Suciu writes about this in an article for the National Interest magazine.


According to the author, the newest Russian anti-tank complex, equipped with supersonic missiles, developing speeds in excess of 4 speeds of sound, with a 100% guarantee can destroy any tank of the Western coalition. Suciu argues that the new complex is likely to occupy a special niche between high-precision ammunition and anti-aircraft systems.

In Greek mythology, Hermes acts as an emissary and messenger of the gods. Russia's recently unveiled next-generation Hermes guided weapon system could be a very powerful message, as a long-range supersonic missile can destroy a western tank with an almost 100 percent guarantee.

- he said.

It is noted that "Hermes" has a compact combat module with launchers for six missiles and can fire salvo fire at six targets at a distance of up to 100 km. Each missile has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead and contains twenty kilograms in TNT equivalent. The complex can be used against both armored vehicles and stationary fortifications, warehouses, communication centers, etc.

The special advantage of the new complex is that it can be installed on any platform, and the "fire and forget" system allows you to direct missiles to the target using drones or ships.

According to the author of the article, the new Russian complex could become a breakthrough in the field of anti-tank weapons.

It could be a game changer in the anti-tank platform arena and certainly challenge Israel's Spike missiles, making the American Javelin anti-tank system completely obsolete.

- sums up Suchiu.
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  1. astepanov
    astepanov 2 September 2020 10: 27 New
    15
    Up to a hundred kilometers? In my amateurish opinion, this is very cool. It seems that the use of tanks against an enemy with such a weapon loses its meaning - of course, if he is also able to detect tanks and control their movement at this distance.
    1. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 10: 29 New
      10
      I met "Hermes", God forbid, in 2011 or 2012. Ground complex based on KAMAZ. It is very good at counter-battery shooting.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Finches
        It is very good at counter-battery shooting.

        ??
        1. Finches
          Finches 2 September 2020 10: 38 New
          +6
          Because of the advanced target detection radar ... Otherwise, I'm not an artilleryman, so what they explained to me at the training ground, I remember! hi
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            Due to the advanced target detection radar ...

            They will put corner reflectors, and cover everything with a copper basin

            In fact, high-precision weapons are not particularly suitable for counter-battery.
            Both the radar and the sound give the coordinates of the enemy gun with an error that precludes its use.
            The only option is to drive the UAV for additional reconnaissance. And hope that he will not be shot down and that the enemy's guns will not leave the search area during the counterfire maneuver.
            Which, of course, is unacceptable, especially in terms of time.
            1. Finches
              Finches 2 September 2020 10: 51 New
              0
              Corner reflectors, it is simple and reliable, nevertheless not a 100% panacea, unfortunately ... I just don't know if there is a need for target illumination from a UAV or a ground guidance point?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                Corner reflectors, it is simple and reliable, however, not a 100% panacea, unfortunately

                But corner reflectors + REB + the ability to inflict artillery or air strikes on the radar provide that very 100% panacea.

                Quote: Finches
                I just don't know if there is a need for illumination from a UAV or a ground guidance point?

                They write "homing". What is not disclosed.
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                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 2 September 2020 11: 03 New
                    +2
                    Quote: VO3A
                    Better read ...

                    And what should I read there?
                    It?
                    "During the tests carried out ATGM JAGM, using a laser targeting system, successfully hitting an 8x8 foot target[i] [/ i] "
                    laughing laughing laughing
                2. Finches
                  Finches 2 September 2020 11: 04 New
                  +6
                  The greatest effect is the work of the corner reflectors in combination with the engineering equipment of the position and the creation of false positions ... But with that, okay! Laser illumination - definitely, only from a ground complex or from a UAV, or so and so?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 2 September 2020 11: 05 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Finches
                    Laser illumination - definitely

                    This cannot be called the proud word "homing"
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 2 September 2020 11: 07 New
                      +2
                      That's the point! But it is possible that not all cards are revealed. In the main performance characteristics it is written as follows:

                      Guidance system:
                      at the exit site
                      to the target area ................................ radio navigation inertial
                      on the final site ................. homing
                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 2 September 2020 12: 26 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Finches
                        to the target area ................................ radio navigation inertial
                        in the final section ................. homing

                        At the initial stage of development, 3 "terminal" GOS were envisaged: 1. semi-active laser; 2.Infrared seeker; 3. active millimeter-wave radar ... In the development process, we decided to focus on two: 1. combined seeker (laser + infrared); 2. active radar ... In some "article about Hermes," one of the developers allegedly stated that the issue of developing an active laser seeker on the basis of the development of AL.GOS, which began in the USA, was being considered! But since then I have not heard anything more about this! I think that a television command guidance system would not hurt Hermes ...
                      2. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 2 September 2020 13: 08 New
                        +2
                        I will say more without such a guidance system, Hermes loses its meaning.
                      3. tikhonov66
                        tikhonov66 2 September 2020 13: 37 New
                        0
                        I think that a television command guidance system would not hurt Hermes ...
                        - unfortunately, it is superbly struck by active interference ... and no less excellent at unmasking the guidance point.
                      4. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 2 September 2020 14: 51 New
                        +2
                        Quote: tikhonov66
                        I think that a television command guidance system would not hurt Hermes ...
                        - unfortunately, it is superbly struck by active interference ... and no less excellent at unmasking the guidance point.

                        And yet, such a guidance system "is and exists"! And no one tried to "bury" her! The modern TVK guidance system and its "analogue" of the 60s ... is like "heaven and earth"! By now, quite effective methods have been developed to increase the stealth and noise immunity of radio control! And in modern high-tech armies there are types of weapons with radio guidance and data exchange channels! Judging by your categorical nature, you are not enough "Copenhagen" in this topic ...
                      5. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 2 September 2020 21: 17 New
                        +1
                        It is less sensitive to active interference than any type of GOS. Unless of course "Tele" is actually multispectral.
                    2. Lexus
                      Lexus 2 September 2020 23: 38 New
                      12
                      I would have conjured up with MS. If it attacks along the trajectory of a steep dive, it would be possible to add a Starstrick-type MANPADS segmented, but more powerful (the energy and dimensions of the 2nd stage make it possible to do this). KAZ is constantly evolving, and the interception of a "log" with 20 kg of explosive, even falling at a speed of 4M, in the near future may cease to be an unsolvable task. "Crowbar", while not everywhere and not all, but they are already knocking down. A salvo launch at such a range on one target will significantly worsen the cost / efficiency criterion.
                3. novel66
                  novel66 2 September 2020 12: 14 New
                  0
                  and on what trajectory does it fly 100 km?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 2 September 2020 12: 44 New
                    +1
                    By random.
                  2. novel66
                    novel66 2 September 2020 13: 30 New
                    -1
                    it is inimitable by anyone !! good
                  3. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 52 New
                    +1
                    What is the question, is the answer.
                    What trajectory is the plane flying?
                  4. novel66
                    novel66 2 September 2020 13: 58 New
                    -1
                    almost any, even ballistic, they can portray, let alone super-maneuverable ...
            2. tikhonov66
              tikhonov66 2 September 2020 13: 34 New
              -1
              and on what trajectory does it fly 100 km?
              - but low, low ...
              8-))
            3. novel66
              novel66 2 September 2020 13: 35 New
              0
              Well for the motor he has? if low
        2. venik
          venik 2 September 2020 13: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          This cannot be called the proud word "homing"

          =======
          Yah!!! What do you say! Those. - semi-active GOS is, according to you, at all not gos?? lol
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: venik
            Yah!!! What do you say! Those. - a semi-active seeker - this is, according to you, not at all a seeker ???

            Then it's bullshit.
          2. venik
            venik 2 September 2020 13: 53 New
            -2
            Quote: Spade
            Then it's bullshit.

            =======
            WHAT "bullshit" ??? Semi-active seeker ??? belay
          3. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 59 New
            +2
            Such a weapon system

            And even more so then you cannot declare about "challenge Israeli Spike missiles by making the American Javelin anti-tank system completely obsolete"
          4. venik
            venik 2 September 2020 14: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Such a weapon system

            =========
            ?? belay Yah?
            By the way: 100 km - as far as I remember, it was announced for aviation variant of the rocket! For the ground, much less - approx. 40 km! And its main "trick" is just that the rocket is universal (!!): i.e. can work equally effectively both for ground targets (including armored vehicles) and for aviation (planes, helicopters, UAVs). In principle, the Pantsir missiles (57E6-E) can also do this, but it is capable of striking only lightly armored goals! Against tanks - p-f-f-f!
          5. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2020 14: 50 New
            0
            Quote: venik
            ??? belay Oh well?

            Well, yes.

            Quote: venik
            By the way: 100 km - as far as I remember, it was announced for the aviation version of the rocket!

            Not. On their aviation website, they indicate 15-20.

            Quote: venik
            and aviation (planes, helicopters, UAVs).

            ?????????????
          6. vVvAD
            vVvAD 3 September 2020 10: 48 New
            0
            Designed to engage day and night modern and advanced tanks, lightly armored targets, engineering and fortifications, surface targets, low-speed air targets.
            And Lopatov answered in terms of range good
            http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/mezhvidovye-raketnye-kompleksy/germes-a
            http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/mezhvidovye-raketnye-kompleksy/hermes
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 September 2020 11: 38 New
    +2
    The radar calculates the trajectory .... and quite accurately. On new howitzers, correction can be made before the shell falls.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2020 12: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The radar calculates the trajectory .... and quite accurately.

      "Pretty sure" is how much?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 September 2020 13: 16 New
        0
        As part of the art fire correction.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          As part of the art fire correction.

          There the median error is tens of meters. Not an option.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 September 2020 14: 39 New
            +1
            For battery firing "behind the eyes"
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 September 2020 14: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              For battery firing "behind the eyes"

              What I originally wrote about.
      2. venik
        venik 2 September 2020 13: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        "Pretty sure" is how much?

        =========
        The question is INCORRECT! Depends on the range, beam focusing, operating frequency and capabilities of the onboard computer, as well as the state of the atmosphere. Basically - from several tens of meters (for over-the-horizon radars - even a few tens of kilometers) to several centimeters! hi
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 September 2020 14: 47 New
          0
          Quote: venik
          for over-the-horizon radars

          ??
          Over-the-horizon radar ARSOM?
          1. venik
            venik 2 September 2020 14: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            ??
            Over-the-horizon radar ARSOM?

            =========
            The question was HOW was posed ?: "
            Quote: Spade
            "Pretty sure" is how much?

            -------------
            Summary: What the question is is as follows and the answer !!!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 September 2020 14: 53 New
              0
              Quote: venik
              The question was HOW was posed ?: "



              Quote: venik
              Summary: What is the question - so is the answer !!!

              Here is a completely different option.
            2. venik
              venik 2 September 2020 15: 00 New
              -1
              Quote: Spade
              Here is a completely different option.

              ========
              Yes WHAT? request
            3. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 September 2020 19: 12 New
              0
              Quote: venik
              Yes WHAT?

              Someone reads inattentively.

              "Consider the trajectory" only radar ARSOM
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 2 September 2020 12: 41 New
    0
    And if the rocket flies to a certain area and there it starts searching for the target with the radar? For example, in Smerch there are rockets that in a certain area throw out a bunch of elements that descend on a parachute and scan the terrain, they saw, and the khan's tank was separated. Why shouldn't Hermes have this?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      And if the rocket flies to a certain area and there it starts searching for the target with the radar?

      That is, it starts to fly and wait for the next gun shot? It hurts hard.
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 13: 44 New
      -1
      For example, in the Tornado there is ... Why does not Hermes have this?
      - Yes, because both the caliber and the number of missiles in the salvo are VERY DIFFERENT ..
      Tornado is 300 (three hundred) mm of one ammunition and in a salvo - there are 12 such ammunition (on one vehicle). And it is unlikely that such a machine will shoot ONE. Therefore, one or two missiles - it is quite possible to spend for reconnaissance of the situation at the target location.
      As they say - feel the difference ...
    3. VO3A
      VO3A 2 September 2020 15: 39 New
      -1
      Another storyteller has drawn! Thinking and realizing your plans are so different things that you simply cannot understand this with your fabulous erudition ... And the word generator (of ideas) very quickly turns into a bad word for a certain type of people ...
  • tikhonov66
    tikhonov66 2 September 2020 13: 33 New
    +2
    Finally, the radar "for counter-battery fight" - they detect not the battery itself, but the TRAJECTORY of the shells it fired. And then - absolutely INDEPENDENT - what exactly that "battery" will be "kidatsya" - well, there are shells, or "corner reflectors" ... 8))
    - If she decides to "throw" - "reflectors" - maybe this is great - the signal will be better ... Well, along the trajectory - the location of the shot point is found - where the "anti-missile" is directed, which, by the way, may have a HEAT head homing. After all, the barrel with a fairly intense shooting - it heats up well - very much.
    - something like this...
    1. VO3A
      VO3A 2 September 2020 15: 41 New
      +1
      You must be sent ... to brainstorm the enemies ... And we will win immediately ...
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 3 September 2020 10: 41 New
    +1
    UR supersonic. Those. it will reach its maximum range in less than 5 minutes. Not every artillery system can so quickly withdraw from the spot + seeker for additional reconnaissance at the exit to the target location area.
    Quote: Spade
    The only option is to drive the UAV for additional reconnaissance.

    Equipping your own UAVs is not such an unsolvable task, given that:
    ATGM "Hermes" is really a whole complex. It includes a combat vehicle (launcher) with 6-12-24 missiles ready for launch, a control vehicle with a multifunctional radar, and a command and staff vehicle with communications and navigation equipment.

    http://agitpro.su/novoe-rossijskoe-oruzhie-nastignet-vraga-v-glubokom-tylu
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 3 September 2020 10: 54 New
    0
    But PARGSN - yes, a minus, and significant. Apparently, it was done to reduce the cost of the rocket.
    We are waiting for complaints from the army and a solution to the issue with our own UAV fellow
    So it's still cheaper, given the low probability of being hit by the enemy.
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 3 September 2020 11: 50 New
      0
      If, in addition, a rocket with a full-fledged gsn is made, then such a cheap version is not a minus, but a plus. Quantity sometimes beats quality.
  • VO3A
    VO3A 2 September 2020 10: 42 New
    -6
    And how is this counter-battery firing conducted? Coordinates are entered and correction is carried out using GPS? How quickly can coordinates be entered, or is there a different principle?
    The author of the article or the Storyteller or .... worse. These nonsense pearls are simply touching:
    the system "fire and forget" allows you to direct missiles to the target using drones or ships.

    I understand that the rocket is not all-weather? The principle of "fire and forget" is not implemented there! Should a glowing UAV or a suicide bomber be located near the target when launching at 100 km?
    What is unique about it? The US is armed with the JAGM missile, which really implements the "fire-and-forget" principle with a range of up to 24 km in aircraft performance .... javelin is an outdated system, why are they so worried about it?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: VO3A
      The US is armed with the JAGM missile, which really implements the "fire-and-forget" principle

      Following your own logic, "a luminous UAV or suicide bomber must be near the target"(c) therefore"The principle of "fire and forget" is not implemented there! "
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 2 September 2020 11: 03 New
        -3
        Better read ... The rocket is expensive and new! Who will reveal everything to you?
        http://bastion-karpenko.ru/jagm/
        The principle "fire and forget" and my logic is in no way connected ... We are not clowns with you, composing fairy tales for others ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 September 2020 11: 41 New
          +1
          Could have revealed .... in principle, there are no special secrets already. In different versions, China, Jews, EU and Americans have been producing everything for 10 years.
          1. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 06 New
            -6
            in principle, there are no special secrets already.
            - I would have said nothing - I would have gone for a smart one
            8-)))

            What do you think the "sects" are, if not the guidance algorithm ?!

            Could have revealed ...
            - and for what purpose are you interested?
            8-))))
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 2 September 2020 14: 32 New
              0
              Or IR seeker or radar ... what other options?
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 2 September 2020 12: 46 New
      -1
      That's only in the aviation version, it is possible, at a line-of-sight distance. Shot - forgot from the ground can mean for example: shot at a certain area and there the rocket is looking for the desired target with its radar, thermal imager, etc.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 September 2020 14: 42 New
        0
        This is a tactical CD ..... and will shoot in the same way as the CD, according to coordinates. And the coordinates will be set by the operator. The question is in the trajectory - ballistic or ordinary. This will affect the carrier and launch and range limitations.
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 2 September 2020 15: 44 New
        0
        Maybe ... are you already fully ... or just learning ??
    3. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 03 New
      -1
      How quickly can coordinates be entered?
      - let the "coordinates" represent TWO (the earth's surface is two-dimensional) numbers of 10 decimal digits. If you imagine 10 dess. digits in binary - it will be 4 bytes per number. Total for two numbers - 8 bytes. Typical Serial Link (UART) (three wires) - Operates (most commonly) at 9600 baud (bits per second). This means that the transfer of two-dimensional coordinates (8 * 8 = 64 bits) - it will take 64 * (1/9600) sec - about 7 thousandths of a second (0,00666 ... sec). That is, while you blink your eyes (0.1 sec) - even according to the relatively slow and ancient RS232 standard - at 9600 baud, you can transmit not one pair of coordinates, but 15 pairs of such coordinates.

      - but, for example, the standard "8-wire Ethernet" provides not 9600 baud, but 1.000.000.000 baud. (giga baud) and WiFi radio channel - up to 100 baud (000 mega baud). So, as you can see - if you wish, you can handle the transfer of coordinates - and "a little" faster ...
      8-))
    4. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 07 New
      -1
      I understand that the rocket is not all-weather? The principle of "fire and forget" is not implemented there!
      - dear - you are here CONFUSING "warm" and "soft"
      8-))
  • hrych
    hrych 2 September 2020 10: 31 New
    +5
    An urgent need to convey to Hezbollah
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 2 September 2020 11: 01 New
      +5

      grunt (grunt)
      Today, 10: 31
      NEW

      +1
      An urgent need to convey to Hezbollah
      they certainly will not refuse. wink
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 2 September 2020 10: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: astepanov
    Up to a hundred kilometers? In my amateurish opinion, this is very cool. It seems that the use of tanks against an enemy with such a weapon loses its meaning - of course, if he is also able to detect tanks and control their movement at this distance.

    It must be assumed that other means will be used to give target designation and to correct missiles by means of a human operator. In the article, marked as - "ships, drones"
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 September 2020 10: 46 New
      +1
      And there are already missiles with AI ???
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        And there are already missiles with AI ???

        Is he really needed for this?
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 September 2020 11: 06 New
          0
          There are only AI missiles left, if wire or laser guidance is outdated and the complexes should be with a fully autonomous system, which do not need to be guided by a satellite, without the use of aircraft, ships or drones. "
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 September 2020 11: 42 New
            0
            AI must process the signal from some sensor and make adjustments to the control. The question is which sensor is in the GOS ?!
            1. novel66
              novel66 2 September 2020 12: 13 New
              0
              suicide dwarf lol
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2020 12: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
            and the complexes should be with a completely autonomous system

            For example, American BATs were guided by the sound of a tank engine ... What can I think of.

            For example, a missile enters the target area using an inertial with a 3D map correction. There the GOS recognizes the target by the available image.
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 10 New
        -1
        And there are already missiles with AI ???
        - Eeeee - what is "AI" ?!
        - "IA" - understandable - the donkey shouts,
        and "AI" - so maybe a mouse ?!
        - but why should the "rocket" squeak ?!
        * -)))
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 September 2020 14: 14 New
          0
          Artificial Intelligence
    2. rich
      rich 2 September 2020 10: 55 New
      +4
      In Greek mythology, Hermes acts as an emissary and messenger of the gods.

      Hermes (ancient Greek Ἑρμῆς), obsolete. Ermius - in ancient Greek mythology, not only the messenger of the gods, the god of trade and good luck. His main duty was to send off the souls of the dead to the Styx, the river in ancient Greek mythology, through which the souls of the dead are transported by Charon to the kingdom of the dead. Hence his nickname Psychopomp - "guide of souls."
      So the name of this complex for the tankers of our "partners" is by no means accidental.
  • Kart
    Kart 2 September 2020 11: 26 New
    +4
    Quote: astepanov
    It seems that the use of tanks against an enemy with such a weapon loses its meaning - of course, if he is also able to detect tanks and control their movement at this distance.

    If there is target designation from the UAV, then it is.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 3 September 2020 13: 45 New
    0
    Quote: astepanov
    of course, if he is also capable of detecting tanks and controlling their movement at this distance.


    Laser irradiation is detected and suppressed by various types of aerosol curtains.
    Radio emission is suppressed by interference, false targets, metallized aerosols.
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 2 September 2020 10: 27 New
    -2
    Everything will be so as soon as it is tested in combat conditions.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 2 September 2020 10: 27 New
    +2
    The special advantage of the new complex is that it can be installed on any platform, and the system "fire and forget" allows you to direct missiles to the target using drones or ships.


    Judging by the text I have highlighted in the quote, this is not quite "shot and forgot"...
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 September 2020 10: 37 New
      +1
      Are there complexes with a fully autonomous system that do not need to be guided by satellite, without the use of aircraft or drones?
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 58 New
        0
        And there are complexes with a completely autonomous system that do not need to be guided by satellite
        - there is.
        Soldier with a grenade.
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 September 2020 15: 01 New
          0
          Take a sniff of the pie from the shelf and put it back.
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 September 2020 10: 40 New
      0
      Wired or laser guidance systems, as I understand it, are outdated long ago.
      1. novel66
        novel66 2 September 2020 12: 17 New
        +1
        and the optics do not work at night, in principle, you still need target reconnaissance, data transmission and uploading them to the on-board computer. further, the rocket goes to the target area through a jeepies or glonas, and there it looks for a similar picture and hits it
    3. Cympak
      Cympak 2 September 2020 12: 46 New
      +1
      KBP has its own unique (different from all others) understanding of the "fire and forget" principle. In their opinion, the Kornet ATGM also has the ability to “fire and forget”.
  • Mishanya 74
    Mishanya 74 2 September 2020 10: 27 New
    -1
    Does it mean that the eastern or southern tanks will not be destroyed?
    1. askort154
      askort154 2 September 2020 11: 51 New
      0
      Mishanya74 ...And the eastern or southern tanks will not destroy?

      Someone minuses you. Apparently I haven't read the title of the article. And it says:
      "Can become a destroyer of Western tanks ....." hi
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 32 New
    -2
    Such nonsense .....
    Yes, we need the complex, yes, this is a much better solution than dancing around "to give the MLRS the function of high-precision weapons" and "to make a turbo-nightmurbo guided projectile in caliber 152"

    However, no wunderwaffe will come out of "Hermes"
    1. Kart
      Kart 2 September 2020 11: 29 New
      +1
      The main thing here is to repeat non-stop - "not going out to children." Preferably in front of a mirror.
      Then you will surely succeed, and the regime will collapse.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 September 2020 12: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Carte
        The main thing here is to repeat non-stop - "not going out to children"

        Ага.
        The main thing here is to carefully look at the spoon and mentally repeat "in fact, this is a shovel, and I can easily dig up the Belomor-Baltic channel channel for it"
        laughing

        Each tool is designed to do its job. And the attempt to attach the "regime will collapse" to this is stupid to the point
    2. novel66
      novel66 2 September 2020 12: 20 New
      0
      about the warhead, by the way, it is not clear at all how exactly the high-explosive tank will destroy the cast iron? confuses something Romanian American
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        About the warhead, by the way, it is not clear at all, how exactly the high-explosive tank will destroy the cast iron?

        The Kitolov has 5.5 kg of explosives. And nothing...
        1. novel66
          novel66 2 September 2020 13: 29 New
          -2
          I'm embarrassed to ask - and the whalers - who is this beast?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 51 New
            +1
            Guided projectile
    3. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 13 New
      0
      However, no wunderwaffe will come out of "Hermes"

      - What do you want?
      - a wunder or a waffe?
      8-))
      Because as "waffe" - Hermes - he's just wonderful. 8-))
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 September 2020 14: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: tikhonov66
        - What do you want?

        Judging by the article, that's it.

        Quote: tikhonov66
        Because as "waffe" - Hermes - he's just wonderful. 8-))

        If he really only has a semi-active laser, then it's not a fact.
    4. Beregovic_1
      Beregovic_1 2 September 2020 14: 32 New
      0
      Several years ago, the name "Hermes" flashed in connection with the proposed installation on the "Pantsir S" and on helicopters as an ATGM. A range of up to 40 km was sounded ...
  • RMT
    RMT 2 September 2020 10: 34 New
    0
    Tests of the Hermes-A aircraft version were completed in 2003, for the first time the complex was demonstrated to the general public on February 22, 2009.
    It's 2020, what happened in ten years?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: RMT
      It's 2020, what happened in ten years?

      The MoD leadership almost defeated its own toad.
      1. novel66
        novel66 2 September 2020 12: 20 New
        -1
        accurate information ??
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 14 New
      0
      It's 2020, what happened in ten years?
      - Partially removed the "secret" stamp
  • John22
    John22 2 September 2020 10: 38 New
    +6
    There is too little information in the article to objectively assess the new ATGM. If the firing range is up to 100 km, then someone has to find them there and guide the missile? Object identification is apparently a military secret.
    1. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 2 September 2020 10: 44 New
      +1
      UAVs for example
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 2 September 2020 10: 46 New
      +1
      Unmanned aircraft apparently.
  • sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 2 September 2020 10: 48 New
    +1
    Each missile has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead and contains twenty kilograms of TNT

    For tanks?
    1. Kart
      Kart 2 September 2020 11: 32 New
      +1
      How much does an anti-tank grenade launcher charge weigh?
      Well, for example RPG-28
      A rocket-propelled grenade with a tandem warhead PG-28, after overcoming dynamic protection, is able to penetrate 900-mm homogeneous armor. In addition to fighting armored vehicles, the RPG-28 can be used to destroy long-term firing points and other shelters, providing penetration of up to 2,5 meters of reinforced concrete or 3 meters of brickwork.

      The weight of this grenade with all personal belongings is 12 kg.
    2. Lontus
      Lontus 2 September 2020 12: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: sanja.grw
      Each missile has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead and contains twenty kilograms of TNT

      For tanks?

      If on top, then more than enough for ANY tank, even without any sophistication.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 2 September 2020 10: 48 New
    -4
    Somewhere over 100 km. there is a tank, apparently somehow it was already discovered, and we just destroyed it with Hermes. Why didn't they destroy it with what they found? Why do you need such an expensive Hermes. What's the point of this. This tank does not threaten anyone yet. Well, let him live. That there are no other goals? There is some reticence here. Now, if enemy unmanned tanks attack our leading edge, and radio reconnaissance reports that control is being conducted from a distance of 100 km. and the operator sits under the armor. Then yes! That's just such a weapon is needed.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2020 11: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Why didn't they destroy it with what they found?

      Are you offering a reconnaissance aircraft or UAV to repeat the feat of Gastello? Isn't it expensive?
      1. novel66
        novel66 2 September 2020 12: 22 New
        -1
        American drummers with "helpers" may well
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 September 2020 12: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: novel xnumx
          American drummers with "helpers" may well

          And which American drones are equipped with such powerful radars?
          1. novel66
            novel66 2 September 2020 13: 32 New
            -1
            Well, the last one they sawed down - it seems there is a powerful radar
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 17 New
      -1
      Why didn't they destroy it with what they found?
      - there was no extra 20 kilograms of TNT in my bosom ...
      8-))
      - think and post, post and think - how difficult it is ...
      especially if at the same time ...
      8-)))
  • APASUS
    APASUS 2 September 2020 10: 52 New
    +2
    We installed such a module on the Wolf and with the Airborne Forces or with the infantry to break through
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 September 2020 10: 55 New
    +2
    Suciu argues that the new complex is likely to occupy a special niche between high-precision ammunition and anti-aircraft systems.

    This phrase puts me in a stupor.
    1. novel66
      novel66 2 September 2020 12: 23 New
      0
      By the way, yes!! rare niche turned out
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 2 September 2020 12: 38 New
      +1
      In fact, the Hermes rocket is the Pantsir rocket, only a big one. The KBP on some stands indicates that the missile has radio navigation inertial control, on others that satellite navigation by GLONASS.
      It is possible that the KBP hints at the possibility of using one launcher for both the air defense system and the Hermes. What would be useful, probably, for "Pantsir-M"
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    4. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 20 New
      -1
      This phrase puts me in a stupor.
      - Bah, only just "one (!) Phrase" - yes, you have NO PROBLEMS at all!
      8-))
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 September 2020 10: 57 New
    +2
    High-explosive fragmentation warhead - for tanks? belay
    1. Kart
      Kart 2 September 2020 11: 34 New
      0
      Where is it written that it is only high-explosive fragmentation?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 September 2020 12: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Carte
        Where is it written that it is only high-explosive fragmentation?

        In ..... everywhere!
      2. Cympak
        Cympak 2 September 2020 12: 33 New
        +1
        About all KBP booklets about "Hermes"
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 September 2020 11: 34 New
      +2
      But the adversaries will go deaf))
    3. KCA
      KCA 2 September 2020 11: 47 New
      +4
      And why does the OFBCH against tanks not work? A salvo of a 57mm automatic cannon on the backwoods will shave off all the observation and guidance systems of the Merkava, or do you have a different opinion?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 2 September 2020 14: 41 New
        +1
        At the same time, it will stun Israeli tankers))
    4. Genry
      Genry 2 September 2020 12: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      High-explosive fragmentation warhead - for tanks?

      Why break through armor when you can just rip a tank apart?
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 30 New
        +2
        Why break through armor when you can just rip a tank apart?

        - During the Great Patriotic War - such an ACS was produced - as SU (ISU) -152.
        Its 152mm projectile (the weight of metal and TNT together) - weighed - either 40 or 50 kg.
        That is, the net weight of "TNT" was LESS than the "Hermes" 20 kg.
        - So this self-propelled gun, which was nicknamed "St. John's wort" at the front, did not have armor-piercing shells.
        In principle, there was no - only high-explosive fragmentation.
        - And she didn’t care what place the "tiger" should get into. The main thing was to get into the building.
        And in the damaged tank - it trivially DETONATED the AMMO.
        In this case, usually the tank tore off the tower. - In the literal sense of the word.

        - and this is MATCH!
        1. KCA
          KCA 3 September 2020 05: 59 New
          0
          SUs were on the T-34 chassis, ISU on the IS-2 chassis, that's the whole difference, and the caliber, of course, is different.
    5. novel66
      novel66 2 September 2020 12: 24 New
      +1
      but to see! 20 kg !!!
    6. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 September 2020 12: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      High-explosive fragmentation warhead - for tanks?

      And what ? request At one time, the trend was high-explosive armor-piercing (with plastic explosives!) Shells (HEP) and it was all a beam wink ! Although, of course ... "I would like" and another: 1.multipurpose (SFZ + OF); 2.a couple of SPBE ...
    7. askort154
      askort154 2 September 2020 15: 31 New
      0
      voyaka uh High-explosive fragmentation warhead - for tanks?

      The complex can be used against both armored vehicles and stationary fortifications, warehouses, communication centers, etc. (from article) hi
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 September 2020 11: 00 New
    0
    The promising Russian anti-tank complex "Hermes", presented in the framework of the military-technical forum "Army-2020", may become a "destroyer" of Western tanks.
    So yes, not pepper gas will be the stuffing of Hermes. bully
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 2 September 2020 11: 30 New
    -1
    Strange somehow! Why exactly WESTERN! And American or Chinese there-weak chtoli to destroy!
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 2 September 2020 12: 13 New
    -1
    "These Russians are not playing by the rules. They have invented the latest weapon again. Stop them, somebody. Otherwise, we will come up with sanctions!"
  • IC
    IC 2 September 2020 12: 20 New
    0
    It used to be believed that the life of a tank in modern combat is 5 minutes. So now it’s less. Therefore, a small number of them remained in the European NATO countries.
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 33 New
      -1
      It used to be believed that the life of a tank in modern combat is 5 minutes.
      - This is just a look at what moment is considered "the beginning of modern combat" ...
      Cuckoo cuckoo - tell me how long will I live?
      - KU ...
      Hey, why is it MA ...
      8-))
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 2 September 2020 12: 23 New
    -1
    And what is the problem with the current technologies to implement the complete system "fire and forget"? It's not difficult if you want to. It is launched into a given square with an error of 1-2 km, when approaching, the AI ​​turns on with target rejection by dynamics, heat, and other radiation, up to the number of mobile phones located next to each other (because now even soldiers in war run with mobile phones :) (like would not be forbidden to them) well, something like this ...
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 39 New
      -1
      And what is the problem with current technologies to implement a complete system “fire and forget?” It's not difficult if you want to. It is launched into a given square with an error of 1-2 km, when approaching, the AI ​​turns on with target rejection by dynamics, heat, and other radiation, up to the number of mobile phones located next to each other (because now even soldiers in war run with mobile phones :) (like would not be forbidden to them) well, something like this ...

      - Oh, cool!
      But there is an even easier way.
      I saw the enemy - you immediately say "KREKS-PEX-FEX" - and you have already WIN!
      (no matter how forbidden you are) well, something like that ...
      8-)))

      - There is no work that cannot be done -
      unless you need to make it YOURSELF, of course.
      8-))))

      On this occasion, there is even a special training manual: "How to manage the world without attracting the attention of orderlies" ...
      1. Nadrub
        Nadrub 2 September 2020 16: 10 New
        -1
        :) madmen and science fiction writers move the world forward, the townsfolk say that it is impossible and nafig necessary! There is a stone ax and the ground is flat :), and they recommend smart books like .... How to manage the world without attracting the attention of orderlies "...

        Mobile phones, genetics, atomic batteries, video communication, astronautics, in a very recent past, were laughing at the inventions of eccentrics. Now any physiognomy is easily recognized with high accuracy even in a medical mask, even by gait, and I think it is much easier to recognize a tank or other object.
        Well, Myself, I'm busy in a slightly different area and, to be honest, I could have joked to assemble something like that on the basis of at least a drone, but there is no technical base, and time ...
  • Cympak
    Cympak 2 September 2020 12: 29 New
    +1
    KBP has been threatening Hermes for over 10 years. But nobody buys it. Shall we figure it out?
    Hit a tank 100 km. Sounds cool! But there are some questions:
    1. A tank is a mobile target, let it travel at a speed of, for example, 45 km / h or 12,5 m / s. The Hermes rocket flies at an average speed of 1000 m / s (maximum 1300 m / s). It will take 100 seconds to fly 100 km, during which time the tank will travel 1250 meters, i.e. the area of ​​the circle for searching the target of the seeker homing will be 9,8 square kilometers. In practice, this means that in order to hit the target with Hermes, you need to know exactly the parameters of the target's movement. The problem is, the target at a distance of 100 km is beyond the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, i.e. the launcher does not see her. An external source is needed that would detect the target, determine the parameters of its movement and monitor them to change.

    2. "Homing", indicated in the advertising booklet of the KBP, means only one thing, that the missile is autonomously guided to the target without receiving external control commands. Homing can be active (radar, lidar in the missile seeker), semi-active (the target is illuminated by an external laser or radar), passive (aiming at the target's radiation in the visible, infrared or radio spectrum).
    KBP has not publicly provided any GOS for the Hermes. Only brochures and posters. The KBP definitely has only one seeker - a semi-active laser seeker for the Krasnopol artillery shells and Gran 'mines. The KBP has never demonstrated any other GOS.

    It follows from this that, with a high degree of probability, "Hermes" only exists LGSN and requires external target designation. But with this problem: The laser designator "Malachite" from the KBP weighs only no MORE than 42 kg!
    And the target designation range is 5-7 km during the day, 4-6 km at night. Those. there are certain questions about how to deliver a reconnaissance group with a target designator to the target search area and how mobile it will be.
    And if you give the UAV laser illumination? Possible solution, but cheaper on UAVs to suspend laser-guided ammunition. And immediately attack from the UAV without an additional circuit in the form of the Hermes complex (since any additional circuit = delays in the task)
    What if the target is motionless? Then "Hermes" is not needed, there is a cheaper and more efficient MLRS "Smerch", incl. with cassette warhead, and SPBE-K

    That's why they don't buy ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2020 13: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Cympak
      The laser designator "Malachite" from the KBP weighs only 42 kg!

      "Cornet" portable with a thermal imaging sight and four missiles weighs 153 kg
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 2 September 2020 14: 52 New
      -1
      It will take 100 seconds to fly 100 km, during which time the tank will travel 1250 meters, i.e. the area of ​​the circle for searching for the target of the seeker homing will be 9,8 square kilometers. In practice, this means that in order to hit the target with Hermes, you need to know exactly the parameters of the target's movement. The problem is, the target at a distance of 100 km is beyond the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, i.e. the launcher does not see her. An external source is needed that would detect the target, determine the parameters of its movement and monitor them to change.

      - Suppose you need to take a trolleybus in a city located 100 km away. Let us show that this is impossible.
      To move to another city - you will need at least 2 hours. During this time, the trolleybus will travel 50 km. In practice, this means that in order for a trolleybus network, you need to find it on an area of ​​314 sq. Km. In practice, this means that to get on a trolleybus, you need to know exactly the parameters of the trolleybus movement. The problem is that the trolleybus at a distance of 100 km is beyond the horizon due to the curvature of the earth - i.e. you don't see it. We need an external source that would detect the trolleybus, determine the parameters of its movement and monitor them to change.

      - like this - no hope!
      8-)))

      Although you can always come to another city and take a trolleybus without a problem.
      But do not believe - this is from the evil one.
      8-))
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 2 September 2020 14: 57 New
        0
        Well, if the enemy's armored vehicles move along a known route and in compliance with a known schedule, then the Smerch MLRS is enough.
        By the way, due to attachment to one route, trolleybuses were gradually abandoned.
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 2 September 2020 20: 47 New
        0
        Andrei, no one said or wrote that the enemy tank would move. We simplify the Task: 1) Find a tank or enemy "object" at a distance of no more than 100 km from the launcher. 2) The UAV-gunner flies to the location of the enemy's "tank" (primary data on the "target" were obtained by reconnaissance through operational channels). 3) The UAV gunner signals the confirmation of the "target tank" and the "Hermes" is launched into the area of ​​the "target" by GLONASS. 4) Active guidance to the "target tank" (turning on the laser illumination) can be started when approaching the "target" of the "Hermes" (the distance will be calculated by the "academics") ... defeat? - a question to the UAV manufacturers, the task of "Hermes" is to fly 100 km and hit the "target tank" according to the provided coordinates and precise guidance (for example, with a laser) to the "target".
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 September 2020 17: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Cympak
      And if you give the UAV laser illumination? Possible solution, but cheaper on UAVs to suspend laser-guided ammunition. And immediately attack from a UAV without an additional circuit in the form of the Hermes complex

      Do not look for easy ways in solving difficult problems! In real life, there may be nuances! 1.UVA with weapons: a). Limited number of aviation ammunition; b). air ammunition with "low-power" warheads; c). significant limitation of maneuverability during laser illumination; d) laser designator + ammunition = increased load ... a UAV of the corresponding class (more expensive ...) is required; e). the need for a distance for the effective use of weapons, but unsafe for the UAV itself ... 2. The UAV of reconnaissance and target designation: devoid of almost all of the above "disadvantages"!
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 September 2020 12: 55 New
    +2
    Actually, Hermes is better viewed not only as an anti-tank complex, but also as a multipurpose one! That is, not only the destruction of armored vehicles, but also the enemy's manpower, military facilities! It is desirable to maximize the modularity of the ammunition design! Provide not only replaceable upper stages, but also replaceable seeker and warhead! So then we will get a truly multifunctional missile system!
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 2 September 2020 12: 58 New
    0
    Interestingly, at what distance from the front line (conditionally) the tanks get off the trailer?
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 2 September 2020 13: 06 New
    +1
    Nonsense! 100 km. And target designation? Do at least like Jewelin. And you can talk about something.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 2 September 2020 14: 01 New
      +1
      For firing at 100 km, you need to do not Javelin, but SPIKE-NLOS, and this is a 5th generation ATGM: with homing seeker with the ability to capture in flight + receive information from the missile seeker + retargeting if necessary.
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  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 2 September 2020 15: 15 New
    +1
    100% guaranteed to destroy any tank of the Western coalition
    and KAZ will overcome with a 100% guarantee? for example trophies that are put on abrams
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2020 18: 18 New
      0
      Considering that he hits the roof, the Trophy will not help.
  • Prahlad
    Prahlad 2 September 2020 16: 33 New
    +1
    Now any aircraft that can illuminate a target is a shock one. Only missiles will be in the distance. Due to the shortage of shock UAVs in the Russian army, this complex is very useful. This is generally a universal weapon, not just against tanks.
  • Tektor
    Tektor 2 September 2020 17: 19 New
    0
    This is so cool that it can, in fact, become an element of deterring NATO aggression. If in reality any target can be covered within 100 km, then this is a psychological analogue of Katyusha during the Second World War.
  • Husit
    Husit 2 September 2020 17: 48 New
    -1
    challenge Israeli Spike missiles by making the American Javelin anti-tank system completely obsolete

    In vain they mentioned this in the article ... Gangs from all over the world flew in !!!
    Now everything will be refuted and made to believe that the Russians are lying and cannot create such a thing.
    Already under 300 comments
    1. agond
      agond 2 September 2020 21: 14 New
      0
      If Hermes has an image recognition system, then neither illumination nor additional reconnaissance from the UAV is needed.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 3 September 2020 00: 52 New
    0
    not a word about the guidance system. Is it randomized? Locator, Laser, or wire ?? and what is the accuracy of the hit? as well as the Reflex missiles that the T-80 fired? unfortunately in Russia there is still no ATGM hitting the roof of the tower or MTO and, according to the principle, fired and knocked down, even there are no analogues of such ancient systems as Dart, not to mention systems such as Spike or MMR. All Kornets beat bluntly in the forehead and the aiming mark must be held until the target is hit. and this Hermes what?
  • RainFall
    RainFall 3 September 2020 10: 53 New
    +1
    Put a Hermes rocket on a Project 22800 ship
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 September 2020 10: 12 New
    -1
    Are you seriously discussing?

    100 km flight, 3m long - this is already a full-fledged rocket, it's a shame not to soak such a tank. If you get there.

    So it seems that all the similar missiles that we have, that of the Amers - under 3 m long, and under 15-20 cm in diameter can soak a tank. If they get. Feeleys - 3 times larger than conventional anti-tank missiles ...