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Moved Germany. The Russian economy entered the top five world leaders

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Over the past several years, Russia has held an honorable sixth place in the world ranking of purchasing power parity and GDP. China came first, followed by the United States, India, Japan and Germany. In 2018, our country lagged behind the last five by only 4-5%, and then it was decided to displace Germany from this position by 2024. However, everything happened much earlier. At the end of 2020, Russia with $ 4,176 trillion will rise to fifth place, displacing the FRG with its 4,16 trillion.

It should be noted that in July of this year, President Putin signed an updated program for the country's development until 2030, and it no longer had a goal of entering the top 5 world economies. The reason for the refusal was the obvious negative situation associated with the severe consequences of the pandemic. But for many other countries, this conjuncture turned out to be even more disastrous. First of all, states suffered, whose economies are oriented towards the export of high-tech products. Germany is certainly one of them, and the economic decline in the second quarter of this year amounted to an impressive 9,7%. For comparison: the Russian economy sank by 8,7%. The fact is that world consumers temporarily decided to abandon German goods, and many enterprises in Germany simply stopped. Consumer activity reached a minimum in the spring, when all outlets around the world were simply closed, except for grocery stores and pharmacies.


Source: karatu.ru

The locomotive of the German industry is undoubtedly the automobile industry, which has suffered considerable losses. By the end of the year, the global automotive market will sag by a record 22%, and German carmakers will have to cut production. Losses of the Volkswagen automobile concern in the first half of the year amounted to 1,4 billion euros. And so on in many sectors of the national economy. Consumers can moderate their appetites for a certain period of time and refuse new acquisitions. In times of raging pandemic, few allow themselves to go to a car dealership for a new Mercedes-Benz - it would be much more prudent to save savings for a rainy day. The forced shutdown of production at German factories during the peak of COVID-19 may lead to another consequence: sales markets will be replaced by third-party manufacturers. How can we not recall the words of Alexander Lukashenko, when in the spring he assured everyone that the pandemic was far-fetched and the danger of introducing quarantine at enterprises. The leader of Belarus said bluntly that the economic losses of the sales markets would be incomparably higher than from an ephemeral infection. It seems that it was then that the Belarusian factories finally had a chance to move industrial giants on the world markets. It is not known whether MAZ products were able to replace the German MAN or the Swedish Scania somewhere (now in the republic there are no calculations), but there were prerequisites for this. Of course, buyers of German technology will not suddenly abandon their familiar products, but the economic downturn will force either to postpone the purchase, or to pay attention to more budget options.

In addition to the purely industrial reason for the decline in German economy, there is also a paralysis of the service sector. As you know, the higher the level of development of a country, the greater the share of the non-production sphere in its economy. Europeans at one time actively moved their factories and factories to developing countries (China, Vietnam and others) in the hope of improving the environment and reducing production costs. Germany, by the way, was the least involved in this process and, as a result, it allowed it to become the first economy of the European Union. But with the pandemic, all non-production facilities were closed and still have not fully recovered from a steep peak.

Market twists and turns


All of the above, coupled with the need to purchase energy resources abroad, has led the German economy to shift to sixth place in the world ranking. Russia, whose exports are largely dependent on energy carriers, lost less in relative terms. You cannot refuse gas and oil, you can only reduce consumption, but supplies must be constant and rhythmic. In this, Russia, of course, has an obvious advantage over Germany. In addition, winter is coming, fuel consumption levels will inevitably increase, and supplies have been contracted for long periods. Refiners of petroleum products cannot simply abandon Russian raw materials: for many, production cycles are associated exclusively with grades of Russian oil.

If we talk about the non-production sphere, then here we will catch up with the Europeans for a long time: this sector is too small in the overall balance. Many critics point out that Russia will not be able to keep the fifth place for a long time (especially since there is no such goal now) and with the recovery of the world economy Germany will again be ahead. But, firstly, according to the most pessimistic forecasts, the return to the usual life will take place no earlier than 2024, and this may become fatal for part of the FRG industry. And, secondly, a possible jump in world consumption due to deferred demand will invariably sharply raise oil prices, and Russia's GDP will grow again. There is already someone who will overtake whom: Germany Russia or Russia - Germany ... Although, of course, the trend to benefit from the sale of energy resources for our country will not lead to anything good. The goal should be to enter the top 5 economies in the world through the export of products with high added value.


Source: wikimedia.org Energy TEC and AEC

Meanwhile, Russia's international reserves are growing, which also affects the country's position in various economic ratings. In mid-August, the country's savings reached a record value of $ 600,7 billion. Now Russia can repay all of its external debt with these accumulations, and there will still be about one quarter left. The forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade also look positive. If in 2020 the Russian economy sags by 4%, then next year it should grow by 3,9%, and in 2022 by 5,3%. The IMF's analytics in this swazi is not so rosy, but here, too, the rate of decline is several times less than, for example, in Italy and Spain. At the same time, the Germans do not expect their own financial growth to recover within two or three years.

It is important to understand that getting into the top 5 of the world ranking of purchasing power parity and GDP size is not some kind of extraordinary achievement. There are more adequate ratings that directly indicate the standard of living of the population. The most important, of course, will be GDP per capita. And here Russia loses completely to Germany - we have 146 million people, Germany - only 80. With a small difference in the level of GDP, the level of per capita consumption in Germany can be twice as high. Do not forget that export revenues are not distributed very evenly among the population of Russia, a lot is simply deposited in a pod, for a rainy day. Therefore, all victorious reports about the pace of economic recovery should be taken very restrainedly.
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  1. Wolverine
    Wolverine 2 September 2020 05: 33
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    A breakthrough is unambiguous ... Are they already preparing for September 13?
    It remains to be seen whether Germany has been surpassed in average wages or not yet?
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 2 September 2020 06: 11
      40
      . Moved Germany... The Russian economy entered the top five world leaders

      Ok, how great everything is !! Now, on salaries and benefits, have Germany also moved? What is purchasing power parity? This is when a German has a Mercedes, and you have a Lada, but they tell you that you have parity (in terms of purchasing power)?

      Here are the "fuckers" Germans. They don't know how to live normally! Normal guys, do not strain too much, the bowels are distributed through pipes, and these complex machines provide the whole world. Well, they are just children compared to our president-cunning planner !!
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 2 September 2020 06: 23
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        Somehow, the transition to a new level passed unnoticed ... At least for my family budget. Especially in the purse I looked - everything is the same as yesterday.
        Apparently, all the same, somewhere there is a catch in the news ...
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        2. Stas157
          Stas157 2 September 2020 07: 27
          19
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Somehow, the transition to a new level passed unnoticed ... At least for my family budget. Especially in the purse I looked - everything is the same as yesterday.

          Prices are growing, but they are not increasing in kormana. For which year the people are tightening their belts. And nobody dreamed of getting rich ... And then bam, it turns out we are 17 thousand middle class !! And now Germany has been overtaken !!! I will go bow at Putin's feet. For such significant achievements for me!
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 2 September 2020 19: 33
            11
            The purchasing power parity index is a parasitic measure applied exclusively to poor third world countries. Formulated according to the quantity of the "product", prudently omitting the quality comparison. So that the rogues do not have questions, and the thieving rulers profitable to world capital could keep them in check, telling tales that not everything is so bad. Figuratively: "TAZ" and "Mercedes" - cars; Boeing-787 and An-2 - aircraft; jamon and sausage from horns with hooves - meat products; the bourgeois who drinks Courvoisier and the milling machine who uses Maxim are alcoholics; a fashion model and a roadside "dud" - young ladies with reduced social responsibility, a European who has the opportunity to rent an apartment for 1500 euros and a "beggar" living in a landfill / garbage dump - homeless people! I remember a phrase from an anecdote about news. "Bad - the harvest is not ugly, so we will eat shit; good - a lot of shit!" (C) These subtleties, sooner or later, become a detonator when ordinary citizens get bored with hawking all this shit.
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 3 September 2020 13: 14
              +2
              Quote: lexus
              The purchasing power parity index is a parasitic value applied exclusively to poor third world countries. Formulated according to the quantity of the "product", prudently omitting the quality comparison. So that the rogues don't have questions ...


              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Somehow, the transition to a new level passed unnoticed ... At least for my family budget. Especially in the purse I looked - everything is the same as yesterday.
              Apparently, all the same, somewhere there is a catch in the news ...


              In fact, the article is about the fact that the Russian economy has turned out to be very stable, even in comparison with the German one.

              And this is under the conditions of sanctions.

              As for your pocket, you have to work here yourself, and not wait for Putin to put something there.

              Study, improve your qualifications, look for a higher paying job.

              I know more than one case when an employer offered employees training and then a salary increase, and in response:
              - yes nafig it is necessary, to study - me and my 30 thousand is enough
            2. mister-red
              mister-red 7 September 2020 13: 52
              0
              Such crap wrote how many classes I finished?
              VAZ and Mercedes are of course cars, only the contribution of each of them to GDP is very different.
              GDP in parity means one thing - for a Russian salary, you will live a hell of a week in Germany. And for a week in Germany, you will live for a month in Russia. This is the PPP GDP that makes it equal.
          2. bistrov.
            bistrov. 2 September 2020 23: 25
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            Prices are growing, but they are not increasing in kormana.

            And you work as in Germany and your "pocket" will be doubled ... hehe ...
        3. WIKI
          WIKI 2 September 2020 09: 15
          13
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Apparently, there is a catch in the news somewhere ...

          I agree! To characterize the standard of living of an ordinary person, the GDP indicator at PPP per person is more important. For 2019, with $ 11163, we were in 65th place.
          1. Civil
            Civil 2 September 2020 09: 23
            +9
            In general, how can you comment on this? After the fall of the ruble, the wage level in the middle of African countries turned out to be ....
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 2 September 2020 18: 40
              +2
              "the middle of African countries turned out to be"
              Oh, so we now have the birth rate up the hill, they have there, in African countries, what a miracle the birth rate good
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 55
                -2
                Didn't you hit your head there?
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 3 September 2020 04: 30
                  +4
                  Sarcasm, apparently, is a concept inaccessible to you wink
                  As well as basic politeness.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 3 September 2020 07: 09
                    -11 qualifying.
                    For me, this sarcasm is not enough sarcasm. They just got the sheep with their stupid reasoning about demography and not only. Therefore, my elementary politeness applies only to smart people, and then mainly when they say smart.
                    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                      Uncle Vanya Susanin 3 September 2020 08: 31
                      +7
                      If the rams got you, then you leave them alone, and you yourself come to the people, we will pour 50 grams of brandy for you, you will get more tender wink
                    2. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 4 September 2020 15: 01
                      -1
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      For me, this sarcasm is not enough sarcasm.

                      Yes, it was not sarcasm, but an attack on the fan!
                      I agree with you!
          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 2 September 2020 09: 53
            +9
            Please check the numbers you are typing, and do not confuse GDP at par and PPP hi
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 2 September 2020 10: 05
              0
              Select the column you need from the proposed ones. https://knoema.ru/atlas/ranks
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 2 September 2020 18: 50
                +9
                Okay, let's go step by step 1) GDP at PPP in Russia in 2019, according to the World Bank, $ 4 trillion 281 billion, 2) divide this number by 146 million people, and we get $ 29 t 321, how do you get $ 11163, I don't know, maybe you have some other arithmetic request

                But most likely you confused the Nominal GDP per capita with the GDP in PPP per capita, it was about this mistake that I first pointed out to you! it happens hi
                1. WIKI
                  WIKI 2 September 2020 20: 56
                  0
                  Yes! Confused. To be exact, $ 29642. But this does not change the essence. 54th place in the world.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 56
                    -5
                    Well, apparently 54th place warms his soul.
          3. Arlen
            Arlen 2 September 2020 11: 12
            24
            Quote: WIKI
            GDP indicator

            The GDP indicator is outdated. For a long time already, among the experts of economists there has been talk about replacing this indicator, due to its many flaws, with a new indicator. Instead of GDP, some economists suggest using an IPP (Genuine Progress Indicator)
            https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/rbc.ru/economics/31/05/2018/5b0eb17b9a794717f59bbcad?check_swipe=1&utm_source=stick_link_button
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 2 September 2020 19: 51
              11
              economists suggest using an IPP (Genuine Progress Indicator)

              Greetings! hi
              Then in one country, which was in the "five" by flight, it will happen "boss, the truncated is gone!" For the depth of the bottom to which the defective managers are able to submerge the really second in the past economy of the World has not been reached by anyone and therefore has been little studied.
              1. Arlen
                Arlen 3 September 2020 08: 17
                17
                Greetings buddy! hi
                As always, you managed to describe the situation in the economy in one phrase good
          4. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 13: 40
            0
            Quote: WIKI
            important is GDP in PPP per capita

            )))
            This is nonsense, sorry.
            1. The PPP GDP itself is quackery. It was once invented to catch the dynamics of the national economy in a hyperinflationary environment, but over time, the scoundrels from the IMF saddled it to explain to the rogue that they were whining in vain. PPP shows nothing at all. See, for example, this text.
            https://snob.ru/entry/153231/
            2. In countries with "low" PPPs, such as Switzerland, the services of the state and municipalities in the form of taxes and fees are invested in the price of goods. It is believed that this package of services in Zurich and Tver is somewhat different.
            3. GDP per person is the average temperature in a hospital. In countries with huge property stratification, such as Russia, a handful of billionaires and 3/4 of the poor. Specifically, in Russia there are 102 dollar billionaires, approximately 2 per 3 million inhabitants, in Switzerland 33 (2018), 12 per 3 million inhabitants, a difference of 6 times. But in Switzerland there are more than 400 thousand millionaires, and in Russia there are about 200 thousand, half that. So that доля millionaires in Switzerland are about 5% of the population, and in Russia - 0,15%. The difference is 30 times already at the level of millionaires.
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 2 September 2020 18: 57
              0
              "In countries with huge property stratification, such as Russia ..."
              Well, of course with Switzerland, then do not compare charlatanism? Why not compare with the USA and China, where the Gini coefficient is the same as ours wink
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 21: 38
                0
                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Why not compare with the USA and China, where the Gini coefficient is the same as ours

                No better. Remaining at the top of the food pyramid, the United States - about 19 million millionaires (6% of the population, although the country is poorer in general than Switzerland), China - 4.4 million, 0,3%, twice as much as in Russia with a comparable GDP / person at par (data 2019 of the year)

                Russia is a country of the super rich and middle class over 17 thousand. A country of absolutely shameless wealth. Compare, for example, the salary of the Roscosmos engineer and the NASA engineer, and then the Roscosmos director and the NASA director.
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 22: 08
                0
                And why the heck? To indulge in complacency like that not everything is so bad and while you are in shit up to the waist, someone almost completely dived? All this juggling and noodles. Used by the adepts of capitalism. Oh, there are as many as 5 percent of millionaires. And somehow I give a fuck. And I don't care about any mythical opportunities to become a billionaire. I will never become one for a number of reasons. And therefore I see no reason to play at this casino. But with pleasure I will break this system on occasion. For it has long been a brake on human development. The system is rotten and ineffective using colossal productive forces for all sorts of crap instead of solving the pressing problems of mankind.
            2. bk316
              bk316 3 September 2020 13: 12
              -2
              This is nonsense, sorry.

              It is you and those like you who are reprinting nonsense. Why write about something you don't understand?
              Each indicator serves a specific purpose.

              Judging by the capacity of the economy in the financial sector, it is necessary to use GDP at par.
              If about the possibilities of the military-industrial complex GDP at PPP.
              If about the standard of living, then for those who are poorer than GDP per capita PPP.
              If about the standard of living, then for those who are richer than GDP per capita PPP.
              IRS is the same PPP only takes into account intangible factors such as the crime rate in money and, accordingly, allows more manipulations.

              BUT ANY OF THESE INDICATORS IS NOT ABOUT THAT BECOME BETTER FOR YOU TO LIVE OR WORSE. Therefore, most of the comments here are about nothing, that is, a flood.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 3 September 2020 20: 33
                -1
                Quote: bk316
                Why write about something you don't understand?

                Seriously?
                Quote: bk316
                If about the possibilities of the military-industrial complex GDP at PPP.

                And then, let's say, an Indian tender for fighters happens, and it turns out it is clear what.
                Quote: bk316
                then for those who are poorer than GDP in PPP per capita.

                The GDP does not say anything about the standard of living, in general. That is, with a low GDP, the country will be poor, but with an average GDP, the country can be anything.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 4 September 2020 01: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  The GDP does not say anything about the standard of living, in general.


                  https://carnegie.ru/commentary/75342
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 4 September 2020 01: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Liam
                    https://carnegie.ru/commentary/75342

                    Discussing Chinese statistics does not make much sense at all. There they have piglets and crucian carp. When will it be possible to conduct the audit and executions - Chinese God knows.
          5. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 2 September 2020 13: 53
            +2
            Quote: WIKI
            To characterize the standard of living of an ordinary person, the GDP indicator is more important

            It is much more indicative that this GDP contains raw materials and that high-tech products, in which there is a share of the labor of ordinary people.
          6. Machito
            Machito 2 September 2020 14: 14
            +3
            Life has become better, life has become happier. But not for everyone. Let's be glad for the Rotenbergs.
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            1. WIKI
              WIKI 3 September 2020 00: 45
              0
              What nonsense?
        4. Kondratich
          Kondratich 2 September 2020 11: 53
          11
          India's GDP is over $ 10 trillion, and China's over $ 25 trillion. The third and first economies in the world, respectively. However, if you look into a wallet for a Hindu or Chinese, you will cry. And in the same USA, not only millionaires live.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 2 September 2020 12: 50
            +5
            Quote: Kondratich
            or a Chinese, then weep.

            In China, salaries are higher than ours.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 2 September 2020 13: 36
              10
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Kondratich
              or a Chinese, then weep.

              In China, salaries are higher than ours.

              And moreover, for a long time ... since 2014 ..
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 2 September 2020 20: 01
                +4
                And moreover, for a long time ... since 2014 ..

                So, it turns out, what is the life-giving force of sanctions and a great blessing! And I didn’t understand hpp, like three quarters of the population of Russia. And the hand constantly wielding in my pocket - it guides me on the right path, it turns out, and not at all robbing. lol
            2. Sergey Medvedev
              Sergey Medvedev 2 September 2020 15: 14
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              In China, salaries are higher than ours.

              And our GDP per capita is higher than that of China. Conclusion: the tiger in the cage is underfed!
            3. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 2 September 2020 23: 04
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              In China, salaries are higher than ours.

              right. some bus driver in Hong Kong gets about 200000 for ours. cool! good only in Hong Kong with this money you can rent a corner in the valve and eat bum packages request but so cool laughing
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 3 September 2020 07: 26
                0
                Google to help you, about where the salary is higher, how much real estate costs, how much mortgage, and how much products. All this has been chewed here more than once.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 09: 07
                0
                Quote: SanichSan
                the bus driver in Hong Kong gets about 200000 on ours. cool! only in Hong Kong with this money you can rent a corner in the valve and eat bum packages

                A garbage truck assistant in New York makes under $ 100 thousand a year and brings up five.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 3 September 2020 12: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  A garbage truck assistant in New York makes under $ 100 thousand a year and brings up five.

                  Well, calculate what he has left if he receives an average of 8 thousand a month and his wife does not work, because You can't send five children to the kindergarten, there won't be enough money. The lowest monthly medical insurance is $ 600 per person, i.e. You need to pay 4200, or live without insurance and pay at least $ 200 for a visit to the doctor.Renting housing for such a family in a 4-5 room apartment will cost from 2 to 5 thousand dollars a month, so there is not much left for expenses at their price level. Therefore, one should not get hung up on a big salary, but it should be considered against the background of the costs that will have to be done for a normal life.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 13: 08
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Well, calculate what he has left if he receives an average of 8 thousand per month

                    What do you think there, you better count as 4 tr. live.
        5. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2020 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Especially in the purse I looked - everything is the same as yesterday.
          Apparently, all the same, somewhere there is a catch in the news ...

          Okay, everything would be the same as yesterday .. but yesterday I left 500 rubles daily in the store, and today 1000 rubles .. and prices continue to rise .. Although now in 5th place, we will soon heal wassat
        6. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 37
          -1
          Everything is very simple. Your share went to someone's yacht, a new car, diamonds, and the purchase of assets. Well, and other small joys. So be happy for the people and get ready, if something patriotic, heroically die for such a distribution of income.
      2. lucul
        lucul 2 September 2020 09: 27
        -12 qualifying.
        Here are the "fuckers" Germans. They don't know how to live normally! Normal guys, do not strain too much, the bowels are distributed through pipes, and these complex machines provide the whole world. Well, they are just children compared to our president-cunning planner !!

        Expected. I already wrote earlier that in the first half of the year, electricity consumption in Germany fell by as much as 23%. In Russia, during the same period, the decline was only 4%, so it is expected ...
        As for the economy .... if earlier, any product bought on the market had a brand - Made in China, now, every year, buying another product, you find that it is made in Russia. There is an active substitution in many positions.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 2 September 2020 09: 39
          +5
          Quote: lucul
          I already wrote earlier that in the first half of the year, electricity consumption in Germany fell by as much as 23%.

          In January-June, 272 billion kWh were used in Germany.This is 26 billion kWh or 5,7% less than in the same period in 2019 https://neftegaz.ru/news/Alternative-energy/623680- dolya-zelenoy-energetiki-v-germanii-prevysila-50 /
        2. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 2 September 2020 10: 23
          12
          now, every year, when buying another product, you find that it is made in Russia
          Something I didn't notice, but bought a lot of things: an iron, a vacuum cleaner, a smartphone, a refrigerator, a coffee grinder, a TV, components for a new PC, you can endlessly list in general, and where is at least something Russian?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 September 2020 10: 32
            0
            Recently I purchased ultrasonic baths for cleaning parts with digital control - they are created and assembled in Russia by 90% from domestic components.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 2 September 2020 11: 28
              +8
              We have entire industries disappearing, for example, electronic, and you about single products.
              For example, without machine tools and bearings, the entire industry will simply stop, but here: “by the end of 2018, Russia produced 4,6 metal processing machines, which is four times less than the 1990 level, over 30 years (in comparison since 1990), bearing production in Russia has decreased by 17 times! "
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 2 September 2020 12: 04
                +3
                Maybe partly (I emphasize, partly!) Is connected with the fact that the machines have become more productive and there is no point in producing them in the same quantity?
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 September 2020 18: 53
                0
                We have entire industries disappearing, for example, electronic, and you about single products. What are you -
                "Scientists of the Institute of Geology and Mineralogy (IGM) of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences have learned how to grow modified diamonds, which in the future may become one of the main elements for creating a photonic" computer of the future, "Director of the Institute Nikolai Pokhilenko told reporters.


                “We have learned to grow diamond crystals with germanium defect centers. This is a very important material for creating a new generation of computers, the so-called photonic computers. The processors that will be used there will work about 10 million times faster than ordinary ones,” the scientist said.


                He noted that specialists in the field of experimental mineralogy of the IGM SB RAS learned to incorporate germanium atoms into a diamond consisting of carbon atoms to create the so-called germanium centers, which make it possible to use diamond as a very promising material for the photon computers elemental base.


                According to N. Pokhilenko, the principle of operation of a photon computer will be identical to a conventional modern computer, only electrons will be replaced by light quanta - photons, which will greatly increase the speed of the device.


                "Modern microprocessors based on gallium arsenide or silicon make it possible to generate, amplify frequencies of the order of the first tens of megahertz, and then do not work. And these can go to terahertz ranges, to petahertz. These are completely different speeds," he said.


                The scientist added that scientists from the Institute of Semiconductor Physics and the Institute of Automation and Electrometry are working on the promising technology and architecture of new devices in the Novosibirsk Academgorodok.
              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 01
                +2
                "For example, without machine tools and bearings" And machine tools produce both bearings and accessories for machines and consoles and software have now begun to make combined machines 3D printer + CNC machining center - but the last word for the client, I personally prefer DMG machines.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 40
                  -1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  I personally prefer DMG machines.

                  Patriotic. How is it there? Capital has no nationality.
              4. AndVikt
                AndVikt 2 September 2020 23: 19
                +3
                Before crying about the losses, remember how EBN enthusiastically clapped, how passionately they kissed the asses of different partners. Whole industries are not lost now, lost in the late 80s, early 90s, remember how teenagers dreamed of becoming, some a racketeer, some a prostitute. The children grew up, smarter, some more, some less and start asking questions, and where are the machines, and where are the bearings. And try to ask the question, where is the vocational school, where are the factories where graduates of the vocational school can work, where are the engineers who can tell the difference between a bolt and a screw. And then there are only managers around who know everything and do not know how. No need to rummage through the tables of GDP, PPP, etc. Close your mouth and go to work
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 2 September 2020 13: 04
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              Recently acquired ultrasonic baths

              I don’t believe you. Can I have the full name and article number of the baths?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 05
                +2
                "ODA Service" title.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 3 September 2020 07: 35
                  +2
                  You are weird again, Vadik. I asked you not the name of the company selling equipment, but the name (model) and article number of the equipment itself. wink
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 3 September 2020 12: 38
                  +3
                  Yes Vadik, I found these baths, or rather baths - from the Russian there is only a stainless steel case and a sieve. Electronics and hardware - China. Found something to be proud of. fool
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 3 September 2020 22: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I found these baths

                    Good evening! hi I could not find a complete set in open sources - share the link, please. But if you're right, here's an example: I bought diodes, assembled a diode bridge, designed it into a case with leads and filled it with epoxy. Attention - question: am I a diode bridge manufacturer? what
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 13: 41
              -4
              Quote: Vadim237
              Recently acquired digital controlled ultrasonic cleaner

              Probably every family dreams of such a bath.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 September 2020 18: 55
                +3
                From the beginning, read carefully what the bath is for - and do not comment on your nonsense.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 19: 02
                  -3
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  From the beginning, read carefully what the bath is for - and do not comment on your nonsense.

                  And I already read it. Have you bought a bath? And how many were sold at all? And then the analogy turns out, as we made a dozen crushers, and then they didn't need anyone.
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 2 September 2020 20: 38
                    +4
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Have you bought a bath? And how many were sold at all?

                    You are probably not in the subject: an ultrasound bath is a thing and is needed in every workshop. In the office, of course, such devices are used less often. lol
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 09: 11
                      -2
                      Quote: Motorist
                      An ultrasound bath is a thing and is needed in every workshop

                      Oh well. Right now, I'll walk through the garages and ask who needs it. They will send me three letters, definitely.
                      1. Motorist
                        Motorist 3 September 2020 22: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Right now, I'll walk through the garages

                        Hello! hi In a separate garage, of course, such a bathtub would not be worth the investment; unless - as a hobby. But I wrote about workshops. And workshops are not only for the repair and maintenance of cars. For reference: in Europe, a similar bath can be bought 2-3 times more expensive (here you have a PPP, by the way!).
            4. tso1973
              tso1973 2 September 2020 14: 49
              -1
              Is the control board included in 90% of domestic components or in 10% of non-domestic components?
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 2 September 2020 20: 45
            +3
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            .... and bought a lot of things
            ?! has the purchasing power parity increased? ...
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 39
            -5
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            and where is at least something Russian?

            In manuals kakbypatriots on the suction of the oligarchy.
      3. snake
        snake 2 September 2020 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        Normal guys, do not strain too much, the bowels are distributed through pipes,

        "Normal guys" everything ...
        Gazprom is heading towards bankruptcy at full speed
        https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/274759/?utm_source=finobzor.ru
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2020 13: 37
          +6
          Quote: serpent
          Gazprom is heading towards bankruptcy at full speed

          But surprisingly .. their salary does not fall .. but even grows .. Effective ..
          1. snake
            snake 2 September 2020 16: 56
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            Their salary does not fall .. but even grows .. Effective ..

            Very effective. GDP said that if they are not paid such amounts, then the West will entice these giants of thought ...
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 48
              +1
              I remember how one former top manager, the forerunner of Gref, when he was pushed at first, showed off and did not agree to the post of head of the Russian post office. Motivating by the fact that he is waiting for offers from Western banks. And then he suddenly agreed. Apparently Western banks considered that they could not afford to pay for the services of such a talent. I had to become a patriot and condescend to the post office. laughing
      4. bistrov.
        bistrov. 2 September 2020 23: 21
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        This is when a German has a Mercedes, and you have a Lada,

        Well, do many Germans drive Mercedes?
        1. Roman1970_1
          Roman1970_1 3 September 2020 06: 05
          -3
          Well, do many Germans drive Mercedes?


          There are many. Of course there are suckers on Audi, Porsche, BMW, but visually there are more Mercedes. (Maybe because it's cheaper) Fuckers, they don't understand the charms of a fret or a Chinese manufacturer.
          1. your1970
            your1970 3 September 2020 14: 38
            +1
            Quote: Roman1970_1
            visually there are more Mercedes.

            More Mercedes? Oh well..

            “The total number of passenger cars registered in Germany since January 1, 2017 increased by 1,6% to a new record 45 vehicles. Volkswagens remained the most popular automotive brand on German roads with more than one-fifth of cars bearing the VW emblem. Opel were still second the most popular brand in Germany, but Mercedes Benz is catching up quickly. Two-thirds of the cars used in Germany were made by German automakers. The average age of vehicles registered in Germany increased to 9,3 years."
            So even among the German brands Mercedes- NOT the first....

            And yes, u once wealthy Germans, the average age of cars is growing slowly
    2. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 2 September 2020 06: 19
      16
      Quote: Wolverine
      Are they already preparing for September 13?

      We are preparing. Our candidates from "edrussia" changed their shoes in a jump, as one "independent" steel .. Everyone promises prosperity and order, a standard of living as in Europe and heaven on earth. Nothing new, just changed the color, although in villages and small towns this will not fool anyone, everyone knows perfectly well who and where.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 2 September 2020 13: 39
        +1
        Everyone promises prosperity and order, a standard of living as in Europe and heaven on earth

        The funny thing is that they no longer promise anything .. at least I haven't heard promises for a long time ..
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 2 September 2020 20: 11
          +9
          hi "Blinded by desires." (film, 2000). Both the title and the year of release are very indicative. Only there the main character took a little more than an hour to return to reality, and some of us still hover in dreams, expecting a miracle from a crook.
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 2 September 2020 06: 24
      12
      It is especially annoying to find India in the top five, we already know how Indians live
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 2 September 2020 07: 15
        +7
        Quote: Clever man
        It is especially annoying to find India in the top five, we already know how Indians live

        India has almost ten times the population of Russia. Therefore, for each Indian separately, there is much less. It's like with China. In terms of the size of the economy, it is in first place, but if you divide by the size of its population, then most of its indicators will be lower than in Russia.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 2 September 2020 09: 22
          +2
          India is not the first in terms of the size of the economy. Either you, Kubik123 (Andrey), have forgotten about such economic "elephants" as China and the USA.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 2 September 2020 12: 05
            +1
            So he writes that China comes first.
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 2 September 2020 09: 55
        +5
        I think that among the 1,3 billion Indians there are 80 million who live no worse than the Germans!
      3. Andobor
        Andobor 2 September 2020 15: 58
        0
        Quote: Clever man
        It is especially annoying to find India in the top five, we already know how Indians live

        Yes. In general, poverty in India is unacceptable, but there are a lot of them and this gives a high GDP,
        besides, about 50 million people there have incomes above the American average, that is, they are rich by Western standards, in Russia there are no so many rich.
    4. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 06: 25
      -16 qualifying.
      I knew that this was Kremlin propaganda ... In fact, we are rolling into a cesspool, and some have lived there since birth, because the evil Putin only cares about his friends, considering the rest of the population to be his serfs who drag out a miserable existence homeless people! Especially in Siberia and the Far East ... In Russia, nothing is being built, except for the elite mansions of the United Russia functionaries, and nothing is produced, only through the total sale of timber and oil there is profit, the money from which is immediately withdrawn offshore to the accounts of cellists and judokas. .. laughing I have a relative, belolentochnik, a whole fleet of foreign cars, an elite apartment with designer renovation, now he is building a house in Sochi with a swimming pool ... - his life is not sweet either, because Putin is a tyrant and strangler of democracy ... laughing
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        1. Finches
          Finches 2 September 2020 06: 35
          -15 qualifying.
          Are you dragging out the miserable existence of a serf or are you just offended by someone in life? Do not despair so, but on your street, State Department dreamers, there will never be a holiday! Move to Ukraine - justice, democracy, freedom of speech, equality and brotherhood flourish there, as well as the economy occupies a leading position in the Universe ... laughing hi
          1. Ragnar Lodbrok
            Ragnar Lodbrok 2 September 2020 06: 41
            21
            Why do you, a pro-government lackey, write everyone down as agents of the State Department?
            This is not so. Is this your style of communication such-who is against the plunder of the country and the withdrawal of billions abroad-American spies?
            1. Finches
              Finches 2 September 2020 06: 44
              -13 qualifying.
              I am not pro-government, but I try to be objective ... We have a lot of shortcomings, but screaming like you and others like you at every corner that "everything is gone, the plaster is being removed, the client is leaving" because Putin is either a hopeless stupidity or an order that I call the state Department order - as a collective image of the enemy of our country! Here you are the enemy of the people - if you sink to the form and you are very lucky that the Kremlin is not Joseph Vissarionovich, and the formation in the yard is different! hi
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 2 September 2020 16: 28
                0
                Quote: Finches
                this is either a hopeless stupidity or a zakazukha, which I call the state department order - as a collective image of the enemy of our country!

                there is a phrase about beads and pigs - so you are wasting your energy ... request
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 2 September 2020 08: 54
              -13 qualifying.
              Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
              who is against the plundering of the country and the withdrawal of billions abroad-American spies?

              Not a spien, but an American lackey for sure!
              Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
              who is against the plundering of the country and the withdrawal of billions abroad

              what And how are you personally against?
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 2 September 2020 10: 59
                +5
                One American lackey, another Kremlin lackey, there are a lot of lackeys. Here are just the phrase "Russian lackey" I have not yet heard, are there any?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 2 September 2020 11: 37
                  -9
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  I have not heard the phrase "Russian lackey" yet, are there any?

                  I am interested in another question ... the Kremlin lackey is some kind of foreign lackey?
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 2 September 2020 12: 25
                    +6
                    Servant is a contemptuous name for a servant, and the Kremlin's servants cannot seem to be foreign. Outside the borders of Russia, there is no groveling attitude towards the Kremlin.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 2 September 2020 12: 47
                      -5
                      Those. the Russian people are directly dependent on the actions of the government, that is, the Kremlin, does it follow that the Russian people are directly or indirectly a servant of the Kremlin, or is it simply a Kremlin lackey? ... belay Then what is the problem?
                      1. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 2 September 2020 13: 01
                        +4
                        Your thought is incorrect, although we depend on the actions of the Kremlin, we are not their servants. On the contrary, they depend on us, on how we vote, therefore, in the right way, they should be "servants" of the people, we elect them to protect the interests of the people.
                        But it's okay, I think it will come to you, it came to me, 6 years ago I shouted "Glory to Putin" and raised toasts to "Comrade Putin". Everything, I have already seen the light and now I raise toasts for comrades Stalin and Beria.
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 2 September 2020 13: 17
                        -9
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Your thought is wrong

                        Maybe.
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        they depend on us, on how we vote, so they should be "servants" of the people correctly, we choose them to protect the interests of the people.

                        And I agree on this, although I still don't understand, who is this Kremlin lackey?
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Everything, has already seen

                        And what is your insight?
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        I am now raising toasts to comrades Stalin and Beria.

                        Well, it's understandable for Stalin (I myself have some respect for him) ... but for Beria? Toast to the leader and toast to the killer of the leader ... what does not fit like that ...
                      3. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 2 September 2020 13: 22
                        +9
                        I just do not believe that Beria killed Stalin, it was not profitable for Beria, but Khrushchev was profitable.
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 2 September 2020 13: 28
                        -9
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Khrushchev benefited

                        what And how did Khrushchev instigate the "Doctors' Plot", removed Vlasik, and frightened the Boss's guards? How did he do it?
                  2. Svarog
                    Svarog 2 September 2020 13: 45
                    +9
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    Your thought is incorrect, although we depend on the actions of the Kremlin, we are not their servants

                    In fact, we are not even servants .. we are already slaves .. For when the salary is only enough for something to eat .. it is already a slave who works for food .. And we have 70% of the population, if not more.
                    But it's okay, I think it will come to you, it came to me, 6 years ago I shouted "Glory to Putin" and raised toasts to "Comrade Putin". Everything, I have already seen the light and now I raise toasts for comrades Stalin and Beria

                    It will reach him when he starts having problems with money, and until then he will scream urya ..
              2. bk0010
                bk0010 2 September 2020 18: 52
                +2
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                and the servants of the Kremlin can't seem to be foreign
                Well, yes, check their citizenship or residence permit - you will be very surprised. And this is not to mention the accounts and real estate. Vaughn - Soloviev on Lake Como in Italy zababahal villa. Such a patriot, and the villa is not on Seliger!
          2. cost
            cost 2 September 2020 14: 42
            +5
            One American lackey, another Kremlin lackey. That's just the phrase "Russian lackey" I have not yet heard, is there such

            Is. yes Known not only in Russia, but also among experts around the world. The truth would be more correct - the Russian Kholui. This is a village in the Ivanovo region, famous for its lacquer miniature




    5. kepmor
      kepmor 2 September 2020 06: 42
      19
      dear, you look ridiculous in your irrepressible desire to justify the boneiness of your perception of reality with a complete lack of a sense of humor ...
      as a military pensioner, I even understand you somewhere and in something ... I myself have a lot of colleagues who, having sat up to the stop and gray-haired head in their posts, can not adequately relate to the realities of life ... everyone is waiting for a command with an order , but they are not ... that's where byayadaaa ...
      I bow out for this ... the dog is languishing on the doorstep with a reason in his teeth ... I'm going to the park for a run ... good luck to you in the fight against "enemies" ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 2 September 2020 06: 45
        -13 qualifying.
        Sorry, what has grown, then has grown ... Unlike you, I do not fight with enemies and the "bloody" regime - I live in my country, I try to do my job and do not whine like you! hi
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 2 September 2020 06: 59
          25
          Quote: Finches
          You are very lucky that Joseph Vissarionovich is not in the Kremlin

          Sorry, but it is you and the beloved gang of Millerovsko-Sechinsko-Nabiullinskoy that are very lucky that Joseph Vissarionovich is not in the Kremlin, unfortunately ..
          1. Finches
            Finches 2 September 2020 07: 01
            -14 qualifying.
            Are you really resentful? What is so bad about your personal life and the life of your relatives? You have nothing to eat? Sechin took over the apartment or what?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 2 September 2020 11: 08
              12
              What is so bad about your personal life and the life of your relatives? You have nothing to eat?

              20 million Russians are below the poverty line, 84 percent of citizens save on food, the population of Russia is decreasing, and Zhenya Zablitsev has settled down warmly in this life and does not care about other fellow citizens.
              1. Finches
                Finches 2 September 2020 11: 11
                -16 qualifying.
                Then why, according to the latest data from VTsIOM, 65% of the country's residents trust GDP? However, you don't believe in these numbers ...
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 2 September 2020 11: 31
                  13
                  And I live for a long time and for a long time, they deceived me many times, so life taught me not to believe words, but to believe deeds.
                2. Finches
                  Finches 2 September 2020 11: 34
                  -14 qualifying.
                  That is why I am a supporter of the GDP, because in relation to me it has fulfilled all the promises and, among other things, comparing with the 90s, I see movement forward and many positive changes in the life of the country!
                3. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 2 September 2020 12: 33
                  11
                  So you belong to a different class, and I am one of the workers and peasants. And to us, the workers and peasants, Putin did nothing good, on the contrary, he took pensions for 5 years and there are no prospects, hopelessly ahead.
                4. Finches
                  Finches 2 September 2020 13: 07
                  -1
                  I will not say for your life. I'm not from another class, I served in the army for almost 30 years ... As for agriculture, I'll tell you about my observation - I was in Kuzbass in August and it so happened that I drove almost all of it by car, so it was nice I'm surprised that all the fields along the tracks are in order - sown with rye, corn, potatoes, sunflowers ... Where they mow the grass! Everywhere machinery works in the fields ... And I remember in the same place in the early 2000s, everything was so desolate! And I am not inventing anything now - and what conclusion should I draw that the country is in decline? So why are we the largest bread supplier in the world today?
                5. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 2 September 2020 13: 31
                  +8
                  Yes, Russia is the largest grain supplier. BUT, we sell almost all the grain, leaving ourselves the minimum, which is not enough for the production of feed for livestock and poultry. You have to buy feed, buy meat. We also buy 90% of the seeds for this huge harvest, we don't have our own seeds. Dubious success.
                  Although, 2 years ago, I also passed Altai by car, and the fields are sown, it's nice to look at it, but it should be so.
                6. Finches
                  Finches 2 September 2020 13: 43
                  -1
                  I don't know the details, but 15 years ago, the fields were simply abandoned ... And the construction sites? After all, factories are being built! Of course, there are enough problems, but do you think you will change Putin (and for whom?) Will heavenly life come right away? But to think so is upwardly naive! But the enemies will applaud us!
                7. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 2 September 2020 15: 27
                  +2
                  Evgeny, I fully understand you: a military pensioner with a good pension (much higher than the average salary in the country), with housing, perhaps his wife is a military pensioner with a good pension .. and .. maybe if I were you I would say the same thing, that you too .. You certainly do not need changes in the country .. Why, if everything is fine, right?
                  but at the same time - I do not support you strongly!!!
                  Because you are just proving the most primitive thesis that when a person's life is more or less secured, he has two hands "For" GDP .. but most of the inhabitants of the Russian Federation are not like you .. that's the whole secret that they not "For" ..
                  And in theory, most residents cannot serve in the army and end their service as a unit commander ..
                  Therefore, in your case, in order not to be surprised at the discontent of the people, you just need to understand that in addition to retired colonels, there are also doctors, teachers, seamstresses and many other people in the country whose salaries did not suddenly jump up in 2011, and not at 45. retirement ..
                  So I think the State Duma deputies also don’t understand, but the people don’t like it, is everything in the country good? hi
                8. Finches
                  Finches 2 September 2020 15: 31
                  +1
                  Yes, I don’t argue with you, but the majority, according to the official figures of VTsIOM, still support the GDP, which means that the country is not so bad! Although, I do not argue, it could have been better, BUT ... because it could have been much worse! That's the question!
                9. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 2 September 2020 17: 47
                  +3
                  about VTsIOM .. only from personal experience .. we were going as a company .. VTsIOM called me .. Questions about GDP of 2 types: a) do you support the policy of GDP? and b) do you trust VVP? answers: yes; mostly yes; rather yes than no; More likely no than yes; mostly no; not; I do not know.
                  that is, rather yes than no, and Yes, this is still a different attitude ..
                  But then it is more interesting .. I went back to the company after the conversation - it turned out that before 3 people had already been called, but they all refused to take the poll, because, I quote: "now digital time, let's say no, somewhere it will be written down for anyone and may affect in the future- we don’t need it, we still have to serve - to work "... do you understand now the cost of the VTsIOM polls? those who are against usually do not participate .. and they do the right thing, I do not believe that this will not be recorded either ..
                10. Finches
                  Finches 2 September 2020 18: 08
                  +1
                  You know, it's not about the GDP, but the overall system of social inequality - the elite is torn off the ground and moving in the opposite direction from the people - that's a fact. But no one can do anything about this in the existing conditions of wild capitalism. Therefore, we are very nostalgic for the USSR, because then the officials did not bury themselves ... But Putin, having strengthened his power, dispersed the Yeltsin oligarchy, in fact, is still a hostage of the system, very high-ranking, but a hostage ... Let's choose any bawler as a President. , at least on the left, at least on the right, even though suffering from diarrhea now in the German clinic of Navalny, you think that something will change ... I assure you it will get even worse! Do you want this? There will be elections, come and vote against, as one cannot correct all the ballots ... I personally don’t go to the elections in principle, so there will be one less "zaputintsy"! What is the problem then? If you do not have enough fortitude for a revolution, sit in a corner and do not shine (this is not for you specifically), otherwise cardboard sabers have come up and wave them on the Internet ... Fighters with a "bloody" regime, God damn your soul!
                11. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 2 September 2020 23: 28
                  +4
                  Quote: Finches
                  If you do not have enough fortitude for a revolution, sit in a corner and do not shine (this is not for you specifically), otherwise cardboard sabers have come up and wave them on the Internet ... Fighters with a "bloody" regime, God damn your soul!

                  respected! hi have mercy !!! you went to the Internet, where a lot of people come with complexes to tell the whole world about their suffering, and you "sit in the corner" for them. Well, you can't do that. Where are they going to wave cardboard sabers? not on the street? there and neighbors can kick in the face and call the police.
                  and for good, let the regime be overthrown here than in real life. wink
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 09
        +3
        This year, the grain harvest in Russia will be in the region of 125 - 128 million tons - export of 45 million is planned "BUT we sell almost all the grain" - you whistle insolently.
    6. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 13: 44
      +9
      Quote: Finches
      I am not from another class, I served in the army for almost 30 years ..

      It is from the other, once in 40-something years, they retired.
    7. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 13: 46
      -5
      No, not from another ... Our army is not royal tea with its high fertility! laughing
    8. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      No, not from another ... Our army is not royal tea with its high fertility!

      Oh well. When I look at two brothers, one of whom receives 12 thousand on disability, and the other - 220 in the rank of major and builds a cafe in the name of his mother-in-law, I somehow do not see class equality between them.
    9. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 14: 36
      +2
      Major - 220 thousand? You are sure? Well, flyers can scrape together so much ... if you go to Syria to fight, in the central office of the Ministry of Defense the major gets a lot, but not so much ... Where does he serve as a major merchant? And by whom?
    10. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      Major - 220 thousand? You are sure? Well, flyers can scrape together so much ... if you go to Syria,

      Videoconferencing technician. In Syria, yes, he was already two months, the DB participant is considered.
    11. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 15: 01
      +2
      A technician cannot receive so much - this is unambiguous, but for Syria he received this payment, but this is for a business trip and nothing more. And the participant, there, you know, some areas of Damascus, for example, are not controlled by government troops and run into a land mine or shelling like two fingers ... There are no delays on a visit to God and an hour of stay will be enough on the hospitable Syrian land!
    12. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 15: 15
      +3
      Quote: Finches
      A technician cannot receive so much - this is unambiguous,

      An electronic technician, as I understand it. However, one of these days I will go to a friend for a moonshine still, I will ask in more detail.
      Quote: Finches
      And the participant, there, do you know, some areas of Damascus, for example, are not controlled by government forces

      Uh-huh, only he didn't go out with Khmeinim. Like a fish needs a bicycle?
    13. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 15: 16
      +1
      Well, that's another conversation. I am philosophical about this.
  2. ccsr
    ccsr 2 September 2020 18: 09
    +1
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Videoconferencing technician. In Syria, yes, he was already two months, the DB participant is considered.

    You would also envy the crew of the Il-20M shot down in Syria - there the technicians received even more for the flights ...
  3. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 18: 12
    -1
    Quote: ccsr
    You would also envy the crew of the Il-20M shot down in Syria - there the technicians received even more for the flights ...

    And I will envy. One hell is better than when you are offered 4 thousand a month salary with a communal flat at 7.
  4. ccsr
    ccsr 2 September 2020 18: 30
    +2
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    One hell is better than when you are offered 4 thousand a month salary with a communal flat at 7.

    You are offered unskilled work in the subway with a salary. from 34 thousand with a full social package and the simplest duties:
    TUNNEL OPERATOR (1,2 digit)
    (for care)
    Salary from 34 rubles
    DUTIES
    ● removal of salt drips from the lining, cleaning of tubing and bolted joints from corrosion and dirt, preparation of materials for solutions and insulation
    ● cleaning and flushing of injection mechanisms
    SCHEDULE
    ● 5/2, 00:00 to 06:00
    REQUIREMENTS FOR CANDIDATES
    ● education not lower than secondary vocational
    ● obligatory passage of a medical commission

    http://job.mosmetro.ru/vac-11.php
    Please note that you need to work six hours, five days a week, and you have a whole day and a weekend for sleep and for part-time work at another job, if you have the strength. By the way, train drivers are also required - wp. from 67 to 110 thousand rubles
  5. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 18: 51
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    You are offered unskilled work in the subway with a salary. from 34 thousand with a full social package and the simplest duties:

    Question number one. Are they accepted there after 45?
    Question number two. Do they provide housing?
    Question number three. Renting a one-room apartment in Moscow costs about 30 thousand rubles. Is this somehow compensated?
    Question number four. If I, having arrived in Moscow, receive 34 tr., Then where should I live, and what will remain for me if I pay 30 tr. will I pay?
    P.S. I worked in Moscow. Trailer 4 for 2 and a half for four, a toilet - where we sit, one prostitute for four, Uzbeks get half the amount of Muscovites, and we are only one and a half less ...
  6. ccsr
    ccsr 2 September 2020 19: 36
    +2
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Question number one. Are they accepted there after 45?

    You can find out - there are phones on the metro website.
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Question number two. Do they provide housing?

    Most likely not, but this also needs to be clarified.
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Question number three. Renting a one-room apartment in Moscow costs about 30 thousand rubles. Is this somehow compensated?

    Removal costs from 24 thousand, as a rule, and up to 30 thousand, and sometimes a little less due to the coronavirus. A communal apartment costs around 12-15 thousand per room. In the near Moscow region, you can find and cheaper than these prices. As for compensation, I think that definitely not.
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    If I, having arrived in Moscow, receive 34 tr., Then where should I live, and what will remain for me if I pay 30 tr. will I pay?

    Rent an apartment for a couple of people, or rent a room - this is what many people do when they come to Moscow. Our employee rented a room for 15 thousand rubles for 15 years (she started with 8 thousand) near the metro, until she bought a studio on a mortgage. This is the usual path for those who decided to gain a foothold here. By the way, 34 thousand is the minimum wage for a worker, in reality it will be higher due to bonuses, free travel, etc.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    I worked in Moscow. Trailer 4 for 2 and a half for four, toilet

    I know all this, and I understand that you are not the contingent that Moscow needs. But young guys can at least start with this in order to somehow gain a foothold, and not expect that they will be given 50 thousand for their beautiful eyes in Moscow. There is work here, but it must be earned and so that the employer sees that he is taking on an intelligent person.
  7. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 19: 46
    -2
    Quote: ccsr
    There is work here, but it must be earned

    A friend of mine is working in Moscow now. Moscow minimum wage, that is, 19 thousand, right? Lives in a basement on bunkers with Vietnamese, everything is fine ...
  8. ccsr
    ccsr 3 September 2020 12: 21
    -2
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Moscow minimum wage, that is, 19 thousand, right?

    No, not so - in my opinion it is already higher than this amount. But even in "Pyaterochka" the cashier can receive up to 40 thousand.

    The average salary of a cashier in Pyaterochka is small: the salary in St. Petersburg or Moscow can go up to 40000,

    Info taken from: https://namillion.com/zarplata-v-pyaterochke.html
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Lives in a basement on bunkers with Vietnamese, everything is fine ...

    Maybe this is so, but a lot of people who come to Moscow rent housing without the Vietnamese. And this will be confirmed by many who know the situation with housing. True, there has now been a recession due to the coronavirus, many people have left and many positions have been cut, but I think next year everything will be restored again. At least I judge by the fact that already in August there was a strong increase in turnover, compared with April-May.
  9. bk316
    bk316 3 September 2020 13: 36
    -3
    A friend of mine is working in Moscow now.

    And one friend of mine has a salary of 3 lemma, and another is a bum and he has 0 belay
    What is the conversation about?
    Is it possible to come to Moscow and get a normal job here (a car, a multiple-room apartment in the suburbs, rest over the hill)?
    It's not just that there are almost half of them in Moscow.
    Can anyone do this? Of course not.

    It is good to have the necessary specialty for this. There are hundreds of scarce professions in Moscow.
    It's good to have money for the start-up period. There are at least 100000 thousand.
    But the main thing is not the main desire to earn money, common sense and perseverance.
    I have half of the company, now they are Muscovites wink

    But is it necessary for people like you.
    There is no place for people with negative thinking, if you go to Moscow and think how hard and unfair it is, it is better to turn around right away. Yes, Moscow does not believe in tears and does not like whiners. laughing
  10. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 16: 40
    +2
    Quote: bk316
    It's good to have money for the start-up period. There are at least 100000 thousand.

    What kind of footcloth did you put on, you idiot?
  11. bk316
    bk316 7 September 2020 12: 45
    -2
    What kind of footcloth did you put on, you idiot?

    I just wrote one extra word.
    Which is obvious, but not obvious to you. Who's the idiot? laughing
  12. ccsr
    ccsr 2 September 2020 13: 15
    -13 qualifying.
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    And to us the workers and peasants, Putin did nothing good,

    So this same class of yours, foaming at the mouth, shouted "Down with the Communist Party!" In 1991, knocked helmets on the bridge, and now when you scoop up shit with a spoon, blame Putin, not yourself and those who abandoned the USSR. Maybe stop whining, because "Moscow does not believe in tears," so once you are at the bottom, look for the blame not in Putin, but in the fact that you dreamed of living in capitalism and you got it in all its glory. What has Putin got to do with it? Did he promise you to build socialism in capitalist Russia? I don’t remember such promises from him, he only fulfills the will of the oligarchic strata of Russia, and judging by the economic indicators, he is not doing so badly, since we are in fifth place in the world.
  13. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 2 September 2020 13: 32
    +1
    We did not go to any fifth place, these are all the author's fantasies and yours.
  14. Finches
    Finches 2 September 2020 13: 44
    -5
    No, this is the official data of the International Monetary Fund.
  15. And why do you need
    And why do you need 2 September 2020 15: 59
    0
    Quote: Finches
    No, this is the official data of the International Monetary Fund.

    This is the paid data, and they have already paid for Trump's victory.
  16. bk0010
    bk0010 2 September 2020 18: 56
    -1
    Quote: Finches
    That is why I am a supporter of the GDP, because in relation to me it has fulfilled all the promises and, among other things, comparing with the 90s, I see movement forward and many positive changes in the life of the country!
    Yeah, he didn't raise the retirement age and didn't change the constitution. And you do not compare with the 90s, but with zero: the regression is constant.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 2 September 2020 18: 54
    0
    Quote: Finches
    Sechin took over the apartment or what?
    Sechins have wrested the future of my country. And you give them a wave.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 2 September 2020 08: 57
    -18 qualifying.
    Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
    you and your adored gang of Millerovsko-Sechinsko-Nabiullinskoy are very lucky that Joseph Vissarionovich is not in the Kremlin, unfortunately

    laughing good My friend, under Joseph you would not have reached Kolyma with your struggle against the "export of billions"!
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 2 September 2020 09: 02
      13
      Quote: Serg65
      My friend

      Don’t flatter yourself, you’re not my friend, such friends for their white little hands who didn’t keep anything heavier than a glass and to the nearest museum. And you would have reached Kolyma with the full composition of your gang and would have cleared Siberia of snow long ago. ...
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 2 September 2020 11: 51
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        who held nothing heavier than a glass

        what Did he hold a fork and a pacifier in his hands? laughing You are our bortsun!
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        And you would have reached Kolyma with the full composition of your gang and would have long since cleared Siberia of snow

        Would you dare under Stalin to be indignant at the quality of gruel, you would immediately have a forehead in green!
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 2 September 2020 12: 15
          13
          Quote: Serg65
          Did he hold a fork and a pacifier in his hands?

          A lot of things, from a wrench at a factory to a trowel at a construction site.
          Come on, write from abroad about Russian life, you know better from there, of course, how ordinary people live in Russia. It is always fun to read transcordon’s putriets. As far as I remember, you broadcast from Kyrgyzstan?
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 2 September 2020 12: 52
          -6
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          As far as I remember, you broadcast from Kyrgyzstan?

          belay Valerka! Bro! Sorry I didn't admit it, you'll be a rich communist! And it's a sin to admit that you are so many-sided in the vastness of VO! Polygamy seems to be forbidden on VO or is the law not written to emocommunists?
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          do you broadcast from Kyrgyzstan?

          From Russia Valera and for a long time wink ..... and you, according to one of the versions, go on the air from the Estonian coast?
        3. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 2 September 2020 13: 20
          12
          I didn’t guess, I’ll never be rich because of you ... Minus you, my name’s not Valery. So you didn’t answer that you held in your hands besides a glass and a pencil? What did you do useful for the state when I was in factories and the construction sites of our common country with the proud name of the USSR plowed? That's when you answer, then we will continue the conversation.
          Pi.si And while you are balabol for me, no more.
        4. Serg65
          Serg65 2 September 2020 13: 36
          -11 qualifying.
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          when I plowed at the factories and construction sites of our common country with the proud name of the USSR?

          laughing Well, this is the same only unproven sodomy! And whatever I say, Valera, you will scream "LIE" !!! After all, the same, Mr., as it were, a communist and midshipman of the Airborne Forces in combination? laughing
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          Minus you, not Valery my name is

          Come on, brother! laughing don't I recognize you! Even when you are mowing under an Indian and you can see it a mile away .... Valera !!!
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          when I am at the factories and construction sites of our common country with you

          You were 91 years old in 17, good tryndet ... a hard worker! laughing
        5. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 2 September 2020 13: 41
          11
          For those who are in the tank through the muzzle I repeat, I'm not Valera. I repeat the question, what did the country do? Or is it a trend like rudeness to answer simple questions of the interlocutors? There is not enough for more education and the rudiment of intelligence, general with a bloated rating?
        6. Serg65
          Serg65 2 September 2020 13: 47
          -11 qualifying.
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          Or is it such a trend, to respond with rudeness

          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          you pro-imperious lackey

          laughing Has anyone to learn from wink
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          what did the country do?

          Yes, no less than yours ... and he built, and at the plant from the age of 14 he worked, and served his Motherland, and defended his Motherland wink
  • Stas157
    Stas157 2 September 2020 07: 52
    17
    Quote: Finches
    I knew that this was Kremlin propaganda ... In fact, we are rolling into the cloaca, and some have lived there since birth

    Zyablitsev, I'm starting to confuse you with Sergeant Petrov - there is only one style, no one can tell. Simpleton, you do not dye. Say, all the whiners, but we live wonderfully. Please, have pity on our eyes, dear Zyablitsev, we have enough of Petrov in this field.

    When you were reading Lenin's works, what you reported here on the forum, you had completely different comments in meaning. Maybe refresh your memory (and syllable) by reading good literature again?))
    1. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 08: 02
      -5
      Do you want me to whine like you? Yes, I am for socialism, the system is the most, in my opinion, suitable for Russia, but in the current conditions there is no need to talk about revolution, the change of Putin to Against Putin will not lead to anything, and may become like in Ukraine with the loss of statehood in in general, and therefore let it be Putin ... - I have never changed my position! So dear, I don't need other people's laurels, I have enough of mine laughing
      What do you personally want, a coup d'etat?
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 2 September 2020 08: 58
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Stas157
      Zyablitsev, I'm starting to confuse you with Sergeant Petrov

      what Stas, and this is already a clinic, and a stable clinic!
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 September 2020 21: 52
    0
    In addition to your relatives, strangely enough, there are still people in the Russian Federation. And everything is very different there. And Khabarovsk residents are suddenly furious with fat. And Putin's rating was not knocked down by evil liberals.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 September 2020 08: 26
    +2
    Quote: Wolverine
    It remains to be seen whether Germany has been surpassed in average wages or not yet?

    So after all, the Germans live in a bourgeois society, and the founders write that salary is a "perverted concept of social justice in bourgeois society", where money in commodity production for the sake of profit, and not for the sake of satisfying the urgent needs of the population has always determined and will always determine the PRIVATE nature of acquiring funds for the life of those who have enough money for such an acquisition to the detriment of those who either do not have enough money or what is necessary in the market, and a saturated market is not profitable for entrepreneurs - there will be no profit ...
    And give you a salary as the bourgeoisie! Humor, but this humor with tears and crippled lives.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 2 September 2020 09: 00
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Wolverine
      It remains to be seen whether Germany has been surpassed in average wages or not yet?

      So after all, the Germans live in a bourgeois society, and the founders write that salary is a "perverted concept of social justice in bourgeois society", where money in commodity production for the sake of profit, and not for the sake of satisfying the urgent needs of the population has always determined and will always determine the PRIVATE nature of acquiring funds for the life of those who have enough money for such an acquisition to the detriment of those who either do not have enough money or what is necessary in the market, and a saturated market is not profitable for entrepreneurs - there will be no profit ...
      And give you a salary as the bourgeoisie! Humor, but this humor with tears and crippled lives.

      Great quote. It is remarkable that there are a lot of words to "blur" reality. And the reality is to understand the simple meaning of life. In order to make a lot, you need to produce a lot of what someone else needs. Then those who need it pay you real money for it. Tell me, honestly, what emotions do you experience when you are forced to pay for something that you absolutely do not need? Therefore, if you are not a child, not a disabled person or a person of retirement age and you do not have enough money earned, then this only means that you are wasting your life on something absolutely useless to anyone.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 September 2020 09: 10
        0
        Quote: Cube123
        Therefore, if you are not a child, disabled or not a person of retirement age and you do not have enough money earned

        A person is such a creature that money is never enough for him, even when he becomes a pensioner.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 2 September 2020 09: 41
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Man is such a creature that money is never enough for him ...

          Aha laughing ... Begin with:

          "I want a new trough", and then:

          "I don't want to be a free queen,
          I want to be the mistress of the sea,
          To live in the sea of ​​Ocian,
          To serve me a goldfish
          And I would have it on the parcels "

          But when there is such a detachment from reality, this happens:

          "I didn't wait, I returned to the old woman -
          Look: again, before him is a dugout;
          On the threshold sits his old woman,
          And before her a broken trough. "
          AS Pushkin
          "THE TALE OF THE FISHERMAN AND THE FISH"
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 September 2020 10: 13
            +5
            Quote: Cube123
            "I want a new trough", and then:

            Alexander Sergeevich did not invent this, but took it from life. And as aptly wrote, so that after 167 years it is still relevant.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 14: 49
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              that after 167 years it is still relevant.

              Excuse me, what year are you writing from?
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 2 September 2020 15: 11
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Excuse me, what year are you writing from?

                I wrote about 1835, but it turned out that in 1853 it happens.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 15: 26
                  +1
                  And I just wanted to ask you to buy bitcoins.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 2 September 2020 17: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    And I just wanted to ask you to buy bitcoins.

                    We do not sell hard currency, I can offer hryvnia at a cheap price.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 13: 55
        +4
        Quote: Cube123
        Therefore, if you are not a child, not a disabled person or not a person of retirement age and you do not have enough money earned, then this only means that you are spending your life on something absolutely useless.

        That is, for example, a kindergarten teacher who receives 12 thousand spends his life on absolutely unnecessary to anyone?
  • Arlen
    Arlen 2 September 2020 11: 04
    33
    Quote: Wolverine
    Are they already preparing for September 13?

    They are already ready by September 13th. In Ulyanovsk, 12 candidates from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation were withdrawn from participation in the elections. In our region, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation could win local elections. We have very strong positions of the communists. But now, after removing the candidates for deputies, I'm not sure that the Communist Party will win the elections.
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 2 September 2020 12: 10
    -5
    Quote: Wolverine
    It remains to be seen whether Germany has been surpassed in average wages or not yet?

    do you really think that welfare is measured in wages?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 13: 57
      +4
      Quote: NEOZ
      do you really think that welfare is measured in wages?

      What do you think?
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 2 September 2020 14: 12
        -3
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        What do you think?

        in the level of consumption .... what do you think?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 14: 15
          +5
          Quote: NEOZ
          in the consumption level.

          Which directly depends on the salary. Or what else?
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 2 September 2020 14: 50
            -4
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Which directly depends on the salary. Or what else?

            the level of consumption does not depend on the salary at all !!!!
            you confuse warm with soft ...
            it's like saying that the ruble exchange rate depends on oil prices !!!!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 14: 53
              +5
              Quote: NEOZ
              the level of consumption does not depend on the salary at all !!!!

              And what does it depend on? Maybe from the fact that a hypothetical homeless person, without receiving a salary, is consumed from the trash heap? Also a consumer.
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 4 September 2020 15: 06
                -2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And what does it depend on?

                from the system of distribution of goods, and money / slaves / powers / laws / orders / and so on are instruments for the distribution of goods.
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 2 September 2020 13: 19
    +5
    I considered it myself, of course, the data is from free access, but I think it is more or less true. GDP per capita in Germany is four times higher, and the minimum wage is 9 times higher. This only suggests that the terrible capitalist country of Germany has a more equitable system of distribution of national wealth than in socially-oriented Russia. hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 13
      +2
      And the prices are different in Germany, they are not the same with the Russian ones.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 21: 20
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        the prices are different in Germany, they are not the same with the Russian ones.

        Excuse me, have you been to Germany?
      2. kapitan281271
        kapitan281271 3 September 2020 09: 06
        +1
        Yes, to hell with prices, all the more so as we consider the PPP, GDP is four times more per capita, to hell with it, and this is generally understandable, but why the minimum wage is 9 times higher, there would be no questions if it were 4 times, then our minimum salary should be around 27000 rubles, and we have an average of 25-30, and how it is considered raises a lot of questions.
        I was in Georgia, I went to the salon of a tayota, a German Corolla assembly of 10300 mattress rubles, we multiply we get about 780 tr., So maybe Industry Minister Denny Manturov (a sociologist by education) can explain to me how this is possible with his husky baritone. Labor is many times more expensive, Energy is several times more expensive, raw materials are several times more expensive, and a car that cannot be placed next to our Vesta (by any parameters) is cheaper than our proud VESTA. In addition to nonsense about labor productivity, you will not hear anything intelligible from him, and then I strongly doubt that he even fully understands what it is !!!!
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 2 September 2020 15: 57
    -1
    Quote: Wolverine
    A breakthrough is unambiguous ... Are they already preparing for September 13?
    It remains to be seen whether Germany has been surpassed in average wages or not yet?

    Overtake, don't you feel the weight of cents in your pocket?
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 2 September 2020 23: 18
    +1
    Quote: Wolverine
    in terms of average wages, Germany has surpassed or not yet?

    And you first take an interest in taxes in Germany, the cost of housing and communal services and medical care, and then you will talk about "catch up and overtake"
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 3 September 2020 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: Wolverine
    It remains to be seen whether Germany has been surpassed in average wages or not yet?

    And what: if we find out that they were overtaken on it, will it greatly please you?
    It will add money to the wallet "not only for everyone."
  • Cartalon
    Cartalon 2 September 2020 05: 34
    +6
    A buddy at Axel Motors works, says bmw how hotcakes fly
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 2 September 2020 11: 34
      0
      Well, how many of these cars does Axel Motors produce a year? Now count the number of officials, their wives, children and mistresses, this is more than several million and everyone needs a new car.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 2 September 2020 05: 34
    +6
    triumphant reports regarding the pace of economic recovery should be taken very restrainedly.
    And I think, why such euphoria?
  • Far B
    Far B 2 September 2020 05: 38
    23
    Stunned. Russia entered ... That is, in Russia, roughly speaking, a barn burned down, and in Germany - two barns. Therefore, Russia suddenly became slightly wealthier than Germany. Only here is the problem: Germany (for some reason, there is no doubt) will get together - and cheerfully rebuild its two burned out sheds. But whether Russia, with the current galley rowers, will gather to restore its only burned out shed - there are doubts about this.
    And so, yes, there is a reason to rejoice: together with a neighbor we are flying into the abyss, but the neighbor is flying a little faster than me. But what is my achievement here?
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 2 September 2020 05: 58
      15
      Germany flies into the abyss in the heads of local dreamers, everything is fine there.
      1. Brancodd
        Brancodd 2 September 2020 13: 42
        -3
        ok everything is there
        It remains to convince several tens of thousands of Germans, who went out on weekends in almost all major cities of the country. "Merkel go away ..."
    2. Soho
      Soho 2 September 2020 06: 06
      -14 qualifying.
      But what is my achievement here?

      Your achievement is the amount of whining per bit of text
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 2 September 2020 11: 43
        +4
        How to ignore constructive criticism? Simply not to notice, and when this is already impossible, then call the criticism whining or something else, since there is nothing concretely to answer.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 17
          0
          Sorry, but you don't have it - sheer whining and swelling of an elephant from flies with a one-sided presentation according to the "Everything sucks" standard
    3. Brancodd
      Brancodd 2 September 2020 08: 49
      -2
      Germany (for some reason, there is no doubt) will get together - and cheerfully rebuild its two burned out sheds
      Cheerfully will not work. Take a look at Berlin Airport. Completed? Over the past 20 years, not a single major investment project in Europe has been implemented on schedule and at planned costs. The German economy is based on 4 pillars: the chemical industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the automotive industry, precision mechanics and optics. There are technologies that they were not allowed to approach and where they have lagged behind forever. For example, aircraft engines, aircraft and rocketry. The rise of the German industry came in the 90s and was provided by the expansion of the Fourth Reich. The markets of the countries of Eastern Europe were covered under the EC flag. The local industry was trampled down (most of it) and partly incorporated in the form of branches into German concerns. Half of Germany's exports are domestic exports to EU countries. In addition to expanding sales markets, demographic problems were significantly smoothed out at the expense of the youth of Eastern Europe. Actually, among the Germans themselves, natural reproduction is a sore subject. It is now largely a streak country. In 10 years it will be a country of decrepit old people. As for salaries, benefits and pensions, the best times are long over. On Sunday, tens of thousands of people in Berlin chanted "Merkel go away .." Well, just like, not in Belarus, but in Montenegro - "Djukanovic, they are waiting for you in hell ..."
      However, everyone can check for himself. Make a little effort and you will become a participant in the construction of the Fourth Reich. Now, of course, it is more difficult, but it is still possible to move to Germany to work under a contract. Then tell us in the first person about the German order.
      1. Far B
        Far B 2 September 2020 09: 15
        +8
        No, cho, that's right. Germany sucks and everything is bad there. It's not for nothing that we overtook them.
        The German economy is based on 4 pillars: Chemicals, pharmaceuticals, automotive, precision mechanics and optics
        Fe, backward Germans! Whether it is with us - agriculture, oil and gas, timber, metals ...
        It's pretty much streak country now
        Absolutely agree! But we have - a country of uninterrupted giving birth to young people. Just like a machine gun. Only for some reason a penny. age lifted ...
        In short, we overtook the filthy Fritzes once and for all! Who is next there now ?!
        Pe.Es.
        you will become a participant in the construction of the fourth Reich. Now, of course, it is more difficult, but it is still possible to move to Germany to work under a contract. Then tell us in the first person about the Germanic order
        No, I won't go. I'd rather listen to how you tell me from the second person how they rot there and how we thrive here, overtaking everyone.
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 2 September 2020 10: 21
        +6
        Quote: Brancodd
        There are technologies that they were not allowed to approach and where they have lagged behind forever. For example aircraft engines

        Rolls-Royce is owned by BMW. They began construction of their largest commercial aircraft engine, UltraFan.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 15: 02
          +3
          You are confused.
          The car brand PP belongs to BEHE. And Rolls-Royce plc, the engine builders, is an independent company.

          As for the thesis about lagging in engines, there are only 3 main companies that produce them - PW, GE and RR. A few more participate in the framework of cooperation, a few more small niche ones. Germany is playing on the sidelines. Another thing is that no country, including the United States, produces and should not produce absolutely everything on its own. Juche is for the DPRK.
          The arguments about aviation and rocketry are similar. Germany in the EADS format participates in both, but not in the final stages.
          1. Liam
            Liam 2 September 2020 15: 27
            0
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            The arguments about aviation and rocketry are similar. Germany in the EADS format participates in both, but not in the final stages.

            What do you mean by this? Germany participates in all stages of development and production of both Airbuses and Typhoons
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 16: 10
              +2
              As far as I remember, the actual airbases take off from Toulouse. Although I just looked, in Hamburg there is also a final assembly of narrow-body aircraft.
              I meant the release of the final product. The share of Germans in the added value of the entire production chain can be arbitrarily large, which I don’t know, I don’t know. Although, naturally, it is the DS and profit that are important, and not the place of the final assembly.
              1. Liam
                Liam 2 September 2020 16: 14
                0
                And typhoons fly out of the Manching plant.
                The aerospace industry in Germany is second only to the automotive industry with about 25 yards of turnover and 100.000 employees.
          2. Liam
            Liam 2 September 2020 16: 25
            -1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            PW, GE and RR.

            More Snecma CFM and IAE
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 16: 56
              +3
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              A few more participate in the framework of cooperation, a few more small niche

              )))
              CFM is Saffron + GE. They do not make engines on their own, only turboprop and military ones. An exception is the powerjet for Sukhoi, however, it is also joint with Saturn.
              IAE stands for PW, Germans and Japanese. Again, cooperation, plus this is the classic airbus engine, not neo.

              And so you can remember a lot. Turbomeka, Williams, some Zorya-Mashproekt. But these are all little things. By and large, modern motors (with reduced fan speed) offer only PP and PV. For traction 30-40 tons and 20 tons, respectively, so they have a local monopoly. Even GE GEnx and CFM LEAP are now lagging behind (although their less sophisticated systems are still more reliable).
              1. Liam
                Liam 2 September 2020 17: 05
                -1
                Three whales cannot do without cooperation ... And CFM is the leader in the number of issued in the world.

                Quote: Cherry Nine
                modern motors (with reduced fan speed

                What kind of models do you mean?
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 19: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Liam
                  Three whales cannot do without cooperation

                  Well, cooperation and production as part of an alliance are not quite the same thing.
                  Quote: Liam
                  What kind of models do you mean?

                  Gearbox PW (1000G) and English Trent with a confused turbine, as well as the future gearbox Ultrafan.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geared_turbofan
                  While you're right, of course LEAP is now the best selling leader.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 2 September 2020 19: 24
                    -2
                    Not everything is so smooth with these engines. They write that GE has deliberately abandoned this direction.
                    By the way, PW makes them together with the German MTU)
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 2 September 2020 20: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Liam
                      They write that GE has deliberately abandoned this direction.

                      Refused. And with what is not so simple, with a gear circuit or with GE - we'll see.
                      Quote: Liam
                      done together with the German MTU)

                      As I already wrote, Juche is not about Americans.
      3. Arlen
        Arlen 2 September 2020 11: 29
        29
        Fuck Germany. Do you need it? I don’t need it for fix. I don't care how they live there and what problems they have. We have problems "above the roof" in Russia, which need to be addressed urgently. For the last 30 years we have been living (exist) at the expense of the Soviet legacy, which is already ending. And Russian is still very, very, very little. What's next? We need to change our entire current economic and political system. And, moreover, it is necessary to change urgently.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2020 13: 59
          +5
          Quote: Arlen
          What's next?

          Then there are three options:
          1. The most real .. we live like now, we are waiting for high oil prices .. the population of Russians is shrinking ..
          2. Possible .. Revolution. In this case, it is not clear who will ride the power, if the communists, then everything will be great, if not .. then it will be the same or even worse.
          3. Incredible. Putin changed his mind and decided to build a socially oriented state, while he set about cleaning up the ranks ..
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 24
          -2
          “For the last 30 years we have been living (exist) at the expense of the Soviet legacy, which is already ending” - What is this? What other new economic system are you going to change the current one to?
      4. Free wind
        Free wind 2 September 2020 14: 12
        0
        And what did the protesters want? And ... probably to Belarus. Here are the mean Americans, they shit everywhere.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 2 September 2020 05: 42
    20
    a gebel in hell, in a vat of boiling shit, drowned himself with envy. Kremlin propagandists have surpassed everyone already.
    1. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 2 September 2020 06: 18
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      Kremlin propagandists

      Oreshkin is not sitting in the Kremlin, but in the White House on the embankment :-)
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 2 September 2020 11: 49
        +5
        Is there a difference between the Kremlin and the White House? There is no difference, there is one "spirit" people.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 2 September 2020 05: 51
    +7
    I read that this year they predict a harsh winter, so the demand for fuel and gas will be good and the price will rise, consumers will have to give in, and the capitalists will become richer and raise Russia even more in the rating.
  • maiman61
    maiman61 2 September 2020 05: 52
    14
    For all this nonsense, they caught up and surpassed Germany, do not care! It doesn't interest anyone! When will we have salaries and pensions like in Germany? That's just what interests us!
    1. apro
      apro 2 September 2020 06: 00
      11
      Quote: maiman61
      When will we have salaries and pensions like in Germany?

      When the industry will be like in Germany ... you won't go far with raw materials alone.
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 2 September 2020 11: 02
        +3
        Oh well! Go to the polls and put a tick in the box and in a hundred years there will be no industry. I'm trying to calculate how long this presidency will be?
        1. apro
          apro 2 September 2020 12: 29
          +1
          Quote: maiman61
          Go to the polls

          If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed there ...
    2. Ka-52
      Ka-52 2 September 2020 06: 14
      -10 qualifying.
      will we have salaries and pensions like in Germany?

      to have salaries like in Germany, you have to work as hard as the Germans. And many of our citizens have a slightly different mentality. "Work is not a wolf, it won't run away into the forest", "Work, don't be afraid of me, I won't touch you", "Horses die from work", "Wherever you work, just work" are not invented in Germany lol And then everyone's Wishlist grew, but hard work pumped up
      1. Soho
        Soho 2 September 2020 06: 36
        -17 qualifying.
        then everyone's Wishlist grew, but hard work pumped up

        Whining and passing blame for their troubles is a favorite pastime of local patriots. Very comfortable position. They always have someone to blame, but not themselves - the Americans, Putin, the Zhidomassons. I wonder who only then pisses in the porches and throws garbage out of the window? I took my daughter out for a walk. I look at the swing, most of the girl with her legs climbed onto the seat and swinging. And the weather is dirty. Nearby is a mother, a muzzle with a hoe. He made a remark that it is not good to get the seat dirty, the children then sit down as priests. So what did I not hear in my address. It turns out that there is culture, but there are no well-bred people. So it is with everything else.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 2 September 2020 07: 14
          10
          I wonder who only then pisses in the entrances and throws garbage out of the window?

          Who-who ...
          1. depressant
            depressant 2 September 2020 10: 22
            10
            Jack O'Neill, dear colleague, here in our village the picture is this: not a single house has broken mailboxes. For a long time, no one has littered the stairs, no one strips off the walls, knocks them off, does not paint the names of popular rock bands, although there are teenagers in every entrance. The courtyards are clean, flowers - Soviet grandmothers are trying. The streets are also clean, no one throws anything. Paths and roads are asphalted, people are returning to the habit, lost during the epidemic, to hold the doors in stores so that those doors do not hit those who leave after you, or open and hold them in front of those who enter, no one fouls on the street, except the only plumber we have left, that's all are kind to each other, I saw drunks on the street exactly a year ago, everyone was horrified - it has long been a sensation, but there is still no happiness ...
            On the contrary, swearing can now be heard from every apartment, the people have become gloomy, people have lost their jobs, they count and cut the remaining pennies, figure out where to get them, but there is no work for their qualifications. Anyone would be glad, they are looking for and do not find. The local regional newspaper has not been published for a long time with job offers, but all the pillars are pasted over with advertisements: I fix, saw, plan, repair, dig ...
            And you know what else? For a year now, no one has left anything useful for others at the garbage cans on the barrier concrete blocks (they are so that the cars do not block the side of the garbage collectors to the containers). Previously, they left a lot: books, almost never worn shoes, outerwear, children's toys, dishes, pieces of furniture, handbags, etc. Now - nothing! And only one container remained. And private cars do not block the approach to the only tank. Signs? Yes, they are the most. Signs of a falling economy. Which, in fact, is very small.
            And it is truly ridiculous to designate the fall of what is small as success compared to the fall of what the neighbor has a lot. For example, in Germany. Their fall by 1% in weight ratio is equal to the fall of our whole little thing.
            And enough about drunken and lazy Russians. I don't see those around me. I see people who, in quiet despair over the leftovers of funds, often set aside for a rainy day, for funerals, are buying vegetables, which have significantly increased in price compared to last year, in order to make canned food and somehow survive the coming winter.
      2. apro
        apro 2 September 2020 06: 40
        18
        Ka-52. My minus. When the position of the worker is below the plinth. When the attitude towards him as an expendable material. It is difficult to cultivate a positive attitude to work. When the salary is enough to live a month. And there is no question of planning for the future. Work is devalued and the attitude towards him. also.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 2 September 2020 06: 56
          -6
          it is difficult to cultivate a positive attitude towards work. when the salary is enough to live for a month. and there is no talk of planning for the future. work is depreciated and the attitude towards him too.

          this is nonsense. I have served in the military, worked in a state-owned enterprise and in the private sector. And I can say that the salary is always not enough. But the attitude to work is different for different people at all times. One works conscientiously, And the other until you kick it - does not move. The first will always achieve what he wants: he comes to the plant as a simple worker, grows up to a foreman, then to the head of a section, a workshop, etc. And the second, no matter how much you pay - he will always remain so. And he will whine and blame others for all the troubles. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've met too many people in my life and I can judge about human nature.
          1. apro
            apro 2 September 2020 07: 10
            +9
            Quote: Ka-52
            And I can say that the salary is always not enough.

            Yes, not enough. But one for a Mercedes. another for his daily bread ... and if a person of labor from this very labor, apart from nerves and wasted time, does not get anything, what is the point? the point is to increase professionalism? If tomorrow it is not clear where you will work, it makes sense to treat your duties correctly if tomorrow an increase in salary turns into a decrease in salary.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 2 September 2020 07: 20
              -9
              meaning to improve professionalism?

              your whole message boiled down to this key phrase. Everything else is husk. Personally, in my life I have achieved both title and position and prosperity exclusively by constantly striving to grow professionally. Maybe somewhere in my soul I was jealous of those "kids" whom dad and mom dragged by the ears. But now I have reason to be proud that I have achieved everything in my life myself. And for you the main thing is why flounder, it's easier to sit and write comments like everything sucks, the government is bad, the leadership is bad, the neighbors are generally cattle, the wife of dura, the children are degenerates ...
              1. apro
                apro 2 September 2020 08: 12
                +3
                Quote: Ka-52
                And you have the main thing - why flounder

                In any case, you will have to beat yourself up, but rely only on yourself, on the good master, the owner, there is no hope of the boss, only tough opposition, defending your labor interests.
                The power is not bad ... but we cannot organize ourselves in defending our interests.
              2. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 2 September 2020 12: 01
                +9
                Ka-52, here you managed to get into good and "lucrative" positions, and after all, someone has to work at the machine at the plant, someone has to sweep the street, grow bread, and doctors, teachers, they are all lazy and losers ? If all will be landowners and bosses like you, who will work? You probably have no idea how much, for example, a nurse, or what kind of teacher's pension earns, but you start to argue.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 2 September 2020 12: 29
                  -4
                  Ka-52, so you managed to get into good and "lucrative" positions,

                  are you a nurse or a teacher? Respond for yourself as I am for myself. You are a parasite and a fool. So you have no luck in life. Well, it's my fault, of course, that you smoked at school instead of lessons around the corner, and then instead of getting a specialty to get mobile phones from teenagers, they squeezed out. Now throw up your hands and blame others for your failures.
                  someone has to work at the machine at the factory

                  I’m not telling you, I’m talking about what it means to earn your living. I gave up aviation for 30 years and resigned when the former military was only accepted as a watchman. When the entire economy of the country lay in ruins. And I know what it means to achieve everything with your own hands and work. And such dummies do you think that those who have achieved at least something in life are necessarily either thieves or thieves (who got through)
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 2 September 2020 13: 16
                    +5
                    You are a parasite and a fool.
                    I will answer well for myself, I am a candidate of technical sciences, I defended my dissertation at the Moscow Power Engineering Institute, although my parents are from workers and peasants. I worked a lot where, once I counted - I worked in 5 places at the same time, ran from one office to another at a run and what I earned was a penny. Therefore, I see that it is very difficult to achieve something by honest work. Yes, there are a few who could, but the conversation is not about isolated cases, but about most of our fellow tribesmen.
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 3 September 2020 04: 50
                      -2
                      I am a candidate of technical sciences, I defended my dissertation at the Moscow Power Engineering Institute,

                      most likely the thesis was either bought or written for you. Probably lying about parents, a very convenient position - pretending to be his own, "from the plow."
                      I worked a lot where, I counted once - I worked in 5 places at the same time,

                      how easy it is for you to lie laughing 5 places at the same time! laughing it really means that you didn't really work ANYWHERE. And you climb with your snout to talk about work.
                      Therefore, I see that it is very difficult to achieve something by honest work.

                      hard. But it's easy to just whine like you do. Whine and envy that a colleague has a higher position and a higher salary. That the neighbor bought the car better. That his wife loves and cares for his friend, and that your wife nags you and pounds you with a rolling pin because you don't work, and every day you crawl home drunk.
                      You rotten little man, fan-fan. It is with a small letter.
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      3. Free wind
        Free wind 2 September 2020 06: 50
        23
        No need to tryndet about Russian lazy people. And all these sayings were invented by all sorts of barriers from the authorities in order to rot the Russian people. I can say about the drivers. They have a daily rate of 450 km, ours have a minimum of 600, for example, 850 km in "business lines". They have 6 hours of driving a day. ours will not die yet. They have a salary of 3-6 tons of euro, we have 50 thousand rubles. By the way, the trade union of drivers has achieved that the salaries in the EU countries of drivers are the same everywhere, for example, a truck driver from Spain receives the same amount as an Englishman for work of equal value. Applies to all EU countries. They are very willing to hire drivers from the USSR; Europeans do not like to leave their homes.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 2 September 2020 07: 04
          -17 qualifying.
          ours will not die yet. They have a salary of 3-6 tons of euro, we have 50 thousand rubles.

          Yes, you tell these fables to others. I know these carriers of yours. Last year I touched upon the problem of transportation, a large multi-million dollar contract. So your carriers, like princesses, curled their lips - this does not suit them, they are not interested. When I asked one person from your business lines head-on about what they say in the country, the crisis, the economic decline ... he answered me: in the transportation market, the demand for vehicles exceeds supply. That's all. There is no crisis. And where does the money go from payments and why drivers are paid little - well, look for it not from Putin in his bosom, but from Alexander Bogatikov. He, as the owner of DL, will of course cry to you about the difficult fate of the dollar millionaire, and you can believe him. Or not.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 2 September 2020 08: 29
            -13 qualifying.
            One Frolov Oleg honestly stated his position. The rest will cowardly pass. It can be seen that I pinched their pride, but they cannot pick up arguments against laughing Minus if this will increase your self-esteem. You will be immediately appreciated at work, beauties will fall in love, and pussies will grow 15 cm more laughing
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 2 September 2020 10: 16
              +3
              from this, your self-esteem will grow ... and the pussy will grow 15 cm more
              Why exactly 15 centimeters? What is the minimum allowable length for self-esteem growth?
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 2 September 2020 12: 25
                +2
                What is the minimum allowable length for self-esteem growth?

                well, plus to your 5 cm
              2. depressant
                depressant 2 September 2020 13: 24
                +6
                Colleague K-52, here's an argument against you: people are different in their natural capabilities! They are not the same. Nature has endowed one with energy, ingenuity, agility - he has such a gene code, he is passionate, not afraid of anything, dares, tries, searches. There are few of them, but for some reason they demand that everyone be so. There will be no such thing, nature is against. Therefore, to demand from everyone that he jump above his natural roof is simply dishonest and dishonorable. You, passionaries, in case of difficulties, clench your hands into fists, ordinary people give up quite often. Nature has arranged it so that you, with your clenched fists, lead those whose hands are down. But no, you are not. Forgetting about your own natural mission, forgetting that each person is the bearer of mind and soul and therefore deserves to live not in constant fear for your own future, but in confidence in it - the confidence that you create. Obliged to create! You, passionaries, are the leaders, the rest are led by you.
                But the amazing thing is that the more agile and quick-witted a person with easily clenched fists in our time, the more he has a passion - not to lead, but to spread rot and despise the less quick and quick-witted (as if if you strain, you can change your own non-passionate genecode for passionate), the more narrow and unidirectional his thinking becomes, the less sympathy for a non-passionate person, understanding the source of his troubles, and the more his desire to trample such a person ...
                Here is such a degeneration of passionarity.
                Is it because the current passionaries are secretly not sure of their own future and live by self-deception?
                In Soviet times, passionaries were appointed as production commanders to work for the good of everyone, and the country developed successfully. And when the ideologically correct passionaries were replaced by the sycophants, scoundrels, scoundrels and traitors, you yourself know what happened.
                And it turned out what we have now.

                Now the passionaries are preachers of capitalist individualism, the meaning of which is: snatch yours from the less nimble, and even come to the VO forum and mock them, ironicize them, brag about how good you are in comparison with them. Pride, heartlessness, immorality and irresponsibility of a microbe that feeds on the body of the country, gradually drinking life out of it, bringing it to death.
                And it is completely shameful that some military men, retirees, take such a position, as can be seen from this forum. Moreover, their position smacks of hostility, it is warlike. Yes, guys, some of you are treated kindly by the authorities, or at least are not offended by them, while the rest of the people are greatly offended, and the authorities are increasingly alienating some of the active military and retirees from us with their handouts. Like, so as not to feed someone else's army.
                And here I am looking at the authorities with a grin: don't cross the border, dear! Do not overdo it with the property divide, watch the direction of the bayonets, while they think they are being treated kindly by you. And, while caressing, remember: there will always be someone who caresses these caressed and already accustomed to the continuously growing degree of affection more. And it will not be an external enemy.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 3 September 2020 05: 15
                  0
                  Now passionaries are preachers of capitalist individualism, the meaning of which is: snatch yours from the less nimble, and even

                  bullshit. If I were a businessman, then yes, maybe you would be right. But I do not work in a private business, much less own it. I work in the aviation industry, albeit not in an ordinary position. But I came to the corporation when it was still a simple factory. Breathing in incense after restructuring. The plant made canisters instead of engines. But the plant grew and I grew with it. Because he strove. I am now 5 minutes a pensioner and I am ashamed to read muzhiks snot here, on IN !!!!!!! Men who whine "as we are paid, so we work ...". These are not men, but rags. I do not boast of what I have achieved, I just have nothing to be ashamed of. I didn’t steal, I didn’t appropriate. The management and colleagues respect me. Maybe not everyone loves because I am not ashamed to tell the truth, even if someone does not like it.
                  make fun of them, make fun of them, brag about how good you are in comparison with them.

                  if an adult considers it decent for his defeats to blame everyone except himself, then he is worthy of the contempt that I show him. There are options? I am not his mother to console and regret. I always overcame obstacles, and did not sit and reasoned how insurmountable they are. At my meetings, I do not ask how big the problem is, but I ask what suggestions there are to overcome it.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 5 September 2020 10: 45
                  +1
                  Good morning, dear interlocutors! Read the article too late request recourse
                  ........ to spread rot and despise .....
                  but this is the rejection of the socialist attitude towards the collective, the result of capitalist morality ----- if you are so smart, why are you so poor? This is what we see in the expressions "" from above "" ---the state should not, a small pension for alcoholics and parasites, the poor ... turn off the electricity ... ... enough for macaros ...
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 2 September 2020 15: 41
                +2
                Quote: Undecim
                is the minimum length allowed for self-esteem growth?

                Looks like a sore subject for a person! bully
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 3 September 2020 06: 34
                  -1
                  Looks like a sore subject for a person!

                  yes, stupid, for a person of retirement age, penis length is just the most sore subject laughing You should write more often about brains in general and thinking in particular - according to your logic, this should be your sore subject laughing
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 3 September 2020 07: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    by your logic, this should be your sore subject

                    I do not write stupid jokes about the length of the pussy on the military website, oh, the smartest pensioner! wink
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 3 September 2020 07: 33
                      -2
                      I do not write stupid jokes about the length of the pussy on the military website, oh, the smartest pensioner!

                      and you and not why. All your comments on the VO level of stupid jokes in content. Ce la vie
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 14: 45
              +4

              What do you want to hear?
              Quote: Ka-52
              One works conscientiously, And the other until you kick it - does not move. The first will always achieve what he wants: he comes to the plant as a simple worker, grows up to a foreman, then to the head of a section, a workshop, etc.

              The answer to this nonsense? Here you get that every conscientious person will trample uphill. Solid heads of the shop, and the rest are idlers. And as for the proverbs, there is also this: how they pay - so we work. About the quitters. Personally, you will go to work in good faith for 4 thousand rubles a month, 36 hours a week, as I was offered a month ago? Do not sit on the priest evenly, but eliminate leaks on your feet all day.
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 3 September 2020 05: 04
                -2
                You will go to work in good faith for 4 thousand rubles a month, 36 hours a week, as I was offered a month ago?

                as much as you were appreciated, they were offered as much. Or do you think that such a princess like you should immediately receive millions?
                Here you get that every conscientious person will trample uphill.

                sooner or later, a person who works conscientiously and strives for self-development will have the opportunity to grow professionally.
                as they pay - so we work.

                what the speech is about. You whiners are here to be shocked, whine because you don't get paid to do shitty work. And you, getting low wages, work shitty. Vicious circle. If you continue, then this position suits you. This usually characterizes workers as passive, not interested in the result of their work. Such personnel are not appreciated and are fired at the first opportunity. And if they are not fired (from need), then they do not bother to stimulate such unpromising ones. But of course Putin is to blame.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 06: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  as much as you were appreciated, they were offered as much. Or do you think that such a princess like you should immediately receive millions?

                  I will also appreciate you right away.
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  You whiners are gathered here

                  You see, life did not hammer.
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 3 September 2020 06: 23
                    -2
                    I will also appreciate you right away.

                    your score is as important as the barking of a dog for a moving caravan laughing
                    You see, life did not hammer.

                    if life hadn’t hammered me, then I, too, would sit just like you and blew snot bubbles: "Ayayay, everything is bad." And life has taught me that you cannot help yourself - no one will help.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 06: 28
                      +3
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      your score is as important as the barking of a dog for a moving caravan

                      Are you a caravan? Heh.
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      And life has taught me that you cannot help yourself - no one will help.

                      Lucky, as they say, fools and drunkards ...
                      1. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 3 September 2020 06: 38
                        -2
                        Lucky, as they say, fools and drunkards ...

                        Well, then it's a sin for you to complain about problems.
                        Are you a caravan? Heh.

                        funny, but what the analogy of "dog barking" is aimed at for some reason did not raise any questions for you laughing apparently figured it out and internally agreed yes
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 3 September 2020 08: 19
                        +3
                        Colleague K-52, you did not appreciate my comment, did not delve into it. In the conditions of rapid and powerful industrialization, every person with intelligence and more or less sufficient volitional qualities will really have a chance to move up the career ladder, taking a worthy place in the new production that is opening. This was the case in Soviet times - shop managers became directors. And what if industrialization is sluggish or absent in many areas? Whereas? And like this: only you are advancing. The rest have a small ration, which is humiliating to live on. Hence - a disregard for work. You do not seem to understand this and will never understand it. You have passed the capitalist selection, the rest have not. Your colleagues correctly told you: a working collective cannot consist of shop chiefs, but each collective should consist of people who are not humiliated by a beggarly salary. Then you will have no complaints about them.
                        Imagine that the wages of the ordinary workers in your production have been doubled. Imagine with what zeal they will begin to hold on to work and how much will their diligence and diligence increase?
                        The only problem is that the State Duma is reading a law that shifts control over the observance of labor legislation to ministries. If it is simpler - to production managers. Irregular working week, lower wages, dismissal without explanation - at the request of the owner. How attractive, huh? Capitalist paradise! Just be on your guard: in such conditions, there will be someone more agile for your workplace than you. Good luck to you!
                      3. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 3 September 2020 12: 00
                        -2
                        You did not appreciate my comment, did not delve into it.

                        you are not right. I understood your idea perfectly. And partly you're right. Not everyone is born with ability. And even if he has the makings, he does not always get into an environment that will allow them to open up. Unfortunately, there is such a thing.
                        The rest have a small ration, which is humiliating to live on. Hence - a disregard for work.

                        you know, this is not the first time I have been married and I know HOW the labor market and its conditions are formed. A qualified specialist, even if it is an ordinary press operator or electrolysis worker, is hired with payment according to the staffing table. In turn, the individual income is determined by the average market price for a vacancy. At the time of employment, the future employee himself determines whether the working conditions suit him or not. He determines, not the employer for him. When applying for a job, an employee accepts the conditions. All the writing about "how we get paid is how we work" is sheer nonsense.
                        but each collective should consist of people who are not humiliated by beggarly wages.

                        do not just slip into stupid templates about "impoverished Russia". I can bring you by the hand to our production and ask the simplest workers - are they beggars or not. Your template will break in 5 minutes.
                        Imagine that the wages of the ordinary workers in your production have been doubled.

                        you have no idea about stimulating labor and productivity. Nothing will change. There is such a thing as qualification and inertia of thinking. A 2 times higher salary will allow only one thing - to dismiss the old loafers and hire much more qualified personnel. Which is more expensive, but the performance will show correspondingly. Sorry, but you are talking about the mechanism of management, enterprise management from an amateurish position.
                        The only place where the law of the market described above does not work is in city-forming enterprises and in unique professions.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 13: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        A qualified specialist, even if it is an ordinary press operator or electrolysis worker, is hired with payment in accordance with the staffing minimum wage.

                        Don't be stars. I personally stamped 900 parts per shift, and received the minimum wage.
                      5. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 4 September 2020 04: 32
                        -1
                        Don't be stars. I personally stamped 900 parts per shift, and received the minimum wage.

                        Vladimir, why are you trying to squeeze a tear from your readers with your wretchedness? Once they received the minimum wage, it means they deserve only it. How I love listening to these cool stories on the topic "I'm so awesome, it's a pity that no one understands this" negative
                        Do you know why everything is bad in Russia?
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 08: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Once they received the minimum wage, it means they deserve only it.

                        I worked in a disabled enterprise. Deserved, you say? In general, disabled people received a third of the minimum wage, despite the fact that the authorities from Maskva used boomers and geldings to roll them up.
                      7. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 4 September 2020 08: 51
                        -1
                        what have the disabled? Tell me a story about the fact that in our country the labor of disabled people is charged lower than the labor of a healthy person
                      8. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 08: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Tell me a story about the fact that in our country the labor of disabled people is charged lower than the labor of a healthy person

                        And this is not a fairy tale. This is reality. It was necessary to collect 350 giblets for the toilet in a shift. Name the company? Please, Novomoskovskoe UPP VOS.
                      9. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 4 September 2020 10: 03
                        -1
                        Well, if someone was doing machinations under the auspices of the VOS, is it a kind of system? A disabled employee enjoys benefits, not vice versa. It's another matter if the payment is piece-rate-bonus and comes from production. But then what does the minimum wage have to do with it?
                      10. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 8 September 2020 00: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Well, if someone was doing machinations under the auspices of the VOS, is it a kind of system?


                        If the fraudsters were not imprisoned, and quickly, then yes, this is a system.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 08: 45
                +1
                Quote: Ka-52
                Once they received the minimum wage, it means they deserve only it.

                And, yes, why did I get ten times more teachers in the 90s, for example? Deserve it too?
              3. Ka-52
                Ka-52 4 September 2020 12: 31
                -2
                And, yes, why did I get ten times more teachers in the 90s, for example? Deserve it too?
                Well, that's really a rhetorical question. The reasons may vary. Maybe the director of the enterprise you had a matchmaker was paying. Maybe in the 90s your qualifications even met the minimum requirements, but now they don't. Maybe in the 90s your company was strong, but now your shitty and low-quality work made its products uncompetitive and it is bent. Or maybe, finally, the work of teachers in our country began to heal more than the work of such low-skilled personnel as you ...
              4. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 September 2020 14: 30
                +2
                Quote: Ka-52
                Maybe in the 90s your qualifications even met the minimum requirements,

                Or maybe people like you are crazy. To eat a lot of steel.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 September 2020 09: 02
    +4
    Quote: Ka-52
    funny, but what the analogy of "dog barking" is aimed at for some reason did not raise any questions for you

    What kind of barking? Let's specifically.
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 3 September 2020 12: 02
    -1
    What kind of barking? Let's specifically.

    read the text above - you will understand. Don't understand if it's my fault
  • depressant
    depressant 3 September 2020 14: 05
    +2
    Colleague Ka-52 ...
    So why isn't your careless one getting fired and the happy one being taken in his place? Maybe because this workplace is not so important and the payroll is simply rolled back on it. It is listed, somehow portrays the work, and that's enough. It's like hiring a Tajik, writing out a salary, and giving that Tajik one half of it - maybe that's it? The negligent knows this and spits at the ceiling.
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 4 September 2020 04: 43
    0
    So why is your careless one not being fired and the happy one taken in his place?

    and do not take for various reasons. There are many of them, but there is one thing that unites them - these are management problems among the management of the plant itself. Do you know where Russia's problems begin? Not from Putin and Vekselberg. Discover world performance metrics. Russia takes a solid last place in this indicator. Even below the countries of the former socialist camp! You and I can break at least some spears about the psychology of the employee and the employer and the stimulation of labor, but the fact remains that the labor productivity of an individual Russian is equal, at best, to the productivity of some Mexican drunk with Olmecs. Drooling in the comments "Oh, when we will have a salary like the Germans" and at the same time work exactly 3 times worse - this is really worthy of sympathy laughing
    All of these above, crying about injustice, aching from post to post, in 2/3 of the cases are themselves guilty of the situation in which they are. And you do not convince me of this. I have passed the lights and waters and know WHAT it MEANS to fall and rise again.
  • depressant
    depressant 4 September 2020 08: 45
    +3
    Well, here, for example, the Germans. They do retire later. But they have a shorter working week, and when they calculated, it turned out that the total number of hours a German needs to work to receive a pension was much less than it was before the retirement age was raised. That is, they work longer over the years, and less in terms of the total number of hours. Therefore, they have more rest, which means they have time to recover by the beginning of each working week. We often wear it out. And food is scarce, and life is boring and meager. Which is not conducive to working with a flag in hand ...

    Our people start to burn out from their youth. Have you noticed that over the past 20 years, not a single outstanding film has been created in the country, not a single great book has been written, not a single symphony, not a single song for centuries? This is a burnout of the nation, colleague.
    This is one thing.
    Other. Equipment. Its performance. His service.
    The psychological atmosphere in the team.
    All this can affect the employee in such a way that the work seems disgusting and cannot be done with a flag in hand, as I mentioned above, or with a song on my lips ...
    And the last thing. Dear colleague ...
    If, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, you did not find yourself without money and documents on the streets of a Russian city that was your own, but now has become abroad, if you easily exchanged a passport of a citizen of the USSR for a passport of the Russian Federation, you had no problems. You have not passed real fires and waters.
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 4 September 2020 09: 40
    +1
    And food is scarce, and life is boring and meager. Which is not conducive to working with a flag in hand ...

    heh))) well, here is such an excuse for human passivity and laziness, I have not yet met good You just described some kind of torture chambers of the concentration camp. Or a scene from an American film about the USSR / RF: everything is gray - streets, houses, people. Gloomy faces, snow (sometimes rain). Originality oozes off the screen crying
    the last 20 years, not a single outstanding film has been created in the country, not a single great book has been written, not a single symphony, not a single song for centuries

    because we are a country of consumer goods. We eat it, take cover with it and watch it on screens. Second-rate in our soul. Any nation at all times can give birth to geniuses. They just can't get through - consumer goods producers have occupied all development channels too well.
    By the way, pay attention to one point. Our nation has one phenomenon. We hate those who live better than us, who have greater wealth or opportunities. We don't understand the origins of success. The revolution with its slogan "all the rich to the wall" still lives in the hearts of our citizens. In the West, a wealthy entrepreneur commands respect. We have a desire to take the pitchfork.
    You have not passed real fires and waters.

    they each have their own. Yours seem more serious to you, because it's personal.
  • depressant
    depressant 4 September 2020 10: 49
    +3
    Our nation does not have such a phenomenon! We hate those rich who hate us. Right now, someone on a Maybach flew past my window with a deafening roar of a car acoustic system, some kind of pop, or something ... All nearby houses shuddered, all our old Khrushchev buildings vibrated, three-story and ten-story buildings staggered - no less than 120 dB. At least that's how it seemed to me. He flew over and rushed on, shaking the village with an acoustic shock, accelerating the aging process of the housing stock ... What are you doing, dear man! You are rich, but this is not enough for you, you have to demonstrate to the plebs how significant you are, otherwise they will not notice you, a moral bug. It is unlikely, of course, he thinks so, he just wants to listen to loud music, and thinking about others is not his.

    Or the same. Opposite my windows - housing and communal services. Some pseudo-rich figure will come to find out why they took extra rubles from him, put the car in the yard, the door wide open, the music shakes the neighborhood, and he himself went about business. Or at three in the morning the acoustics turned on at full power at a neighbor who "began to break out into the people", and now he does not care about us, miserable and wretched, - this is in Khrushchev! Well, we quickly put them in place ourselves.
    Or, say, a billionaire who renovated his native 106th school in Yo-burg in the style of baroque palace architecture. He demonstrated his understanding that there is wealth, he is not in the style of a palace and will not notice, he only walks in such, and the parents of schoolchildren were outraged ...

    Such examples can be multiplied indefinitely. And in everyone we see demonstrative behavior, self-pumping with optimism - life is a success! The scourge of selfishness, reveling in one's beloved one, is malicious disregard for social rules of behavior and morality. But is there at least one person who can reproach the billionaire Sergei Galitsky, the founder of Magnit, for something? A man who did so much for Krasnodar and sets an example for all our nouveau riche, big and small, modesty and dignified behavior? Everyone respects him!
    Unfortunately, such as Galitsky - one or two and miscalculated, the rest are rich - corrupt officials, bandits, immoral. And involuntarily, their disgusting shadow falls on the simply wealthy, who have really achieved something thanks to honest work and natural abilities.
    Hence - our dislike for the rich. Through unrighteous labors they built stone palaces for themselves, tightly blocking a significant part of the population with labor, which could at least build their own stone house.
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 4 September 2020 11: 39
    +1
    Our nation does not have such a phenomenon!

    is, is. It is even enough to read the comments on VO. This is, of course, a small sample for statistics, but also indicative.
    leaves the car in the yard, the door is wide open, the music shakes the surroundings, and he himself goes about business.

    Believe the experience - most often they drive with thundering columns, with exhaust pipes with forward flow, young people of 20-25 years old on lowered Ladas and foreign cars of 20-year production period. There are orders of magnitude more of them (as well as orders of magnitude of noise they produce) than Maybachs
    Or at three in the morning, the acoustics turned on at full power at a neighbor who "began to break out into people", and now he does not care about us, miserable and wretched, - this is in Khrushchev

    the rich live in the elite neighborhoods (and not in Khrushchev's), where you can't cut the music too much - the contingent is such that you can even regret it. When the prosecutor or the head of the Department of Internal Affairs lives behind the wall. But in fact, you now bring examples from the category with your finger to the sky. Our neighbors are from your working class. So for the last 2 years I have been drunk and partying - zero. We live modestly with my wife and daughter. But this "proletariat", according to your classification, every weekend under our windows arranges barbecues with booze and shouts until 4 am. And no persuasion works. So everything is relative in this world.
    the rest of the rich are corrupt, bandits, immoral

    how easy it is for you to generalize. I have a friend - the director of a metallurgical plant. He has been managing them for the last 25 years. The plant is successful. Its products are sold throughout the country. A wealthy man, he is about 70 years old. And you wrote him down as corrupt, bandits and immoral ... I'm just shocked
  • depressant
    depressant 4 September 2020 13: 33
    +2
    Colleague, yes, I did not write your friend down as corrupt, bandits and immoral, do not be shocked!)))
    I said literally the following: a shadow falls on people like your acquaintance - the shadow cast by corrupt officials, bandits and immoralists is such an era. All the wealthy are recorded as such, after all, go figure out which of them is who.
    As for the thundering acoustics from cars, our youngsters do not indulge in such things, our poor youngsters, they have no cars. And the parental cars are entirely credit, who will give the youngsters to drive them, because they can break. Guys with gray temples in our music are playing at full power, not young people. So to speak, they are making up for the lost time of their youth in the 90s.
    But as for the hard workers, your neighbors, who do not allow you to live, they are the impudent derivative of the era of the big hapk and you need to speak with them in the language of the law. There are such - the federal law on silence. The bad news is that there is no sheriff institution. How are we? To take the worst from the West, but they turned a blind eye to the existence of that good that can be adopted. If there was a sheriff, he would send the hooligans into the cell. And the police ... Tell them the number of the law on silence, threaten that if they don't come, you will complain to their boss, they will come! ..
    You are afraid, colleague. You are afraid that the unbelted "hard workers" will begin to take revenge. And it is possible. I can only sympathize with you. About seven years ago, I waged a long struggle with one such "hardware" family at the entrance. Everyone suffered. Nobody helped me. But I won. We moved out and sold our apartment abruptly after I told one of the neighbors that I should write a collective statement to the police. Someone reported. Madame came. I grinned and shrugged: "If there is a list, I will subscribe." And as blown away by the wind. The scrapers - claws got bogged down in a corrupt relationship with the same police, they were afraid that they would start digging, they would not jail them, they would rip them off as sticky.
    My advice to you: find a weak point in your brawlers and cooperate with other neighbors, maybe even so.

    And ... I have already given such an example. Your "hard workers" believe that a riotous lifestyle makes them, in their own eyes, equivalent to the rich. Like, they can afford this, why shouldn't I, a "hard worker", hum, so that the smoke stood like a rocker. There is no intolerance to this in society. After all, start broadcasting about moral values ​​from the screen, the population will howl: "Who are you, our judges?!?" Howl, embittered, and for the authorities it is fraught. Jesuitically cunning, latent, acting on the subconscious, penetrating into it a stream of immorality, dirt pours from all media. Nobody throws slogans.
    So we have: a shadow of scoundrels falls on your familiar director, automatically enrolling him in the same, and you are tormented by brainless ones - imitating scoundrels. The Western world went through this at the beginning of the last century. The movie "The Great Gatsby" shows it well.
    I sympathize with you, dear colleague.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 5 September 2020 10: 28
    +1
    Dear LYUDMILA! hi Without having read or studied all the comments yet, I want to comment on your previous one. It seems to me that it fits my comments about the ambiguity of what is happening ((that capitalist and socialist attitudes are impossible at the same time))
    Someone turned on everyone's sight, by hearsay ... someone a handbag for 100000, someone a vacuum cleaner for 300000 ((and then you can't pay a loan ...)) I think this is a desire for recognition and praise! Well, there is no honor roll, no newspaper portrait, no other attributes of socialist competition. And I want to be praised, congratulated, like, well done, that's how I achieved it. !!!!!! And it falls out of consciousness, which is not entirely legal! After all, under socialism, the income of ordinary people was legal and one could be proud of the labor wages.
    I want recognition and praise. And that is not the case under capitalism. Maybe I didn't think of something, but a little? laughing lol
  • Nehist
    Nehist 2 September 2020 13: 04
    +5
    That is, instead of a 35-hour work week in Germany, Russia is 40 hours! I have 68 hours for some and even more, but here's something like in Germany we don't get
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 September 2020 14: 06
      +7
      Quote: Nehist
      That is, instead of a 35-hour work week in Germany, Russia is 40 hours! I have 68 hours for some and even more, but here's something like in Germany we don't get

      Now on average in Russia people work 60 hours. Saturday has long become a full-fledged working day. All employers have put on shopping mall for a long time. At the same time, in Germany, which we "overtook", many people do not work on Fridays and the issue of a four-day work week is being resolved .. naturally with the preservation of the salary, which is 7-10 times higher than ours ..
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 2 September 2020 14: 09
        +2
        So what I'm writing about! But a pilot with 30 years of experience, unfortunately, does not understand this.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2020 14: 10
          +4
          Quote: Nehist
          So what I'm writing about! But a pilot with 30 years of experience, unfortunately, does not understand this.

          They all understand that they have such a job .. they earn money as trolls ..
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 2 September 2020 14: 19
            +4
            I would not say that, I treat the comments quite objectively, the minuses and pluses I get, even Golovan got a plus for adequate comets, but I minus you when you go too far. Ka-52 is quite adequate, just different life positions, or rather, opportunities. Alas, the lack of social lifts will only increase the confrontation between adequate people from the same social stratum. An example is the Votkinsk uprising during the civil war! Where exactly the workers came out as the main force against the Bolsheviks. And now everything goes to this
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 2 September 2020 14: 32
              +5
              You are going too far. Ka-52 is quite adequate, just different life positions, or rather, opportunities.

              Different opportunities arise from different social position and empathy. Moreover, empathy is the most important indicator of a developed personality. Even if a person is doing well, he cannot but see how others live .. From this I conclude that either the person does not understand the essence of what is happening, or understands, but at the same time thinks only about his fifth point .. In both cases, this position flawed. This is my opinion on the commentators who actively support the mess.
              As for Golovan, he rarely expressed his thoughts and trolled more and more and arranged a shit ..
              And about the minus, I don’t put a minus to adequate commentators, even if I don’t agree. hi
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 2 September 2020 14: 37
                0
                This is your position, I do not have many other adequate comments, I usually plus. I meant that sometimes adequate commentators give inappropriate comments! - I confess, sometimes I myself can write something inadequate
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 2 September 2020 14: 45
                  +7
                  Quote: Nehist
                  I meant that adequate commentators sometimes give inappropriate comments

                  By adequate, I mean people who also see the news as a mess, but due to different circumstances either have a different approach to a possible solution to the problem, or simply take a neutral position on the issue .. There are many people, like opinions, but only an inadequate can not see the mess ...
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 26
    0
    When will we have salaries and pensions like in Germany? That's just - with such a salary, the prices will be appropriate.
    1. depressant
      depressant 3 September 2020 14: 14
      +1
      Vadim, prices will stand still if we develop the production of food, clothing, footwear, etc. Everything is suppressed. For 15 years, not a single new enterprise has opened in my village, the workforce is in full swing, there are no drunks for a long time. There were attempts to open it. The bribery turned out to be unbearable. Trade is flourishing. Prices for agricultural products this year have increased, despite its growth by 3%.
      By the way, how is your farm?
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 3 September 2020 00: 05
    -1
    Quote: maiman61
    When will we have salaries and pensions like in Germany? That's just what interests us!

    and the prices are not? will not be like that? not like in Germany? belay
    how beautiful are the dreams! bully "I want to have everything and nothing for it!" laughing
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 2 September 2020 05: 52
    +7
    "Without swinging ... We still have a lot of work to do ..."
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    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 2 September 2020 07: 06
      -9
      Quote: kepmor

      what is it, mikhalych turns out ... well, a badge-fly, staples-terpily ....... Oreshkin's chubby face ... now "blessed noodles" will pour from heaven ... and damn it, I was not mistaken ...
      from zero ... in the bottom ...

      And, anything other than derm, can it pour out of you? Or are you trying to compensate for something with insults?
      They could just write that they do not agree with the author or the data given by him. Behave like a teenager
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 2 September 2020 08: 58
        +4
        I apologize, but my comment is designed for people who are friends with irony and sarcasm ...
        it's not my problem that such simple human qualities are not available to you ...
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 05: 58
    +4
    The whistle of cancer on the mountain on the topic: 17 thousand - middle class.
  • V1er
    V1er 2 September 2020 06: 03
    12
    Or maybe our economy is so difficult to ruin, because there is nothing to ruin there?) It has already become ossified from sanctions and other things, that has become a monolith that does not grow and does not fall)
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 2 September 2020 06: 56
      0
      Quite right, but the reason is not in the sanctions, but in ourselves.
  • Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich 2 September 2020 06: 06
    +5
    Statistics is the most fraudulent pseudoscientific branch of knowledge.
    The manipulation of figures does not raise or improve the real economic indicators and the standard of living of the bulk of the people. All this is from the evil one (not Lukashenka). Today Russia has entered the top five, seven or ten, tomorrow it will fly out. As if Germany fell asleep or is marking time. Everything flows, everything changes.......
    1. depressant
      depressant 2 September 2020 16: 35
      +3
      According to the latest Rosstat report on the socio-economic situation in Russia for the first half of 2020 (January - July), our country is in a crisis, which is defined as a protracted one and there is no end in sight. And it is already the third in the last 20 years.

      Here are the main economic indicators for June 2020 relative to June 2019:
      Fall of the industrial production index by 9,4%;
      Transport freight turnover - by 9,5%;
      Railroad transportation - by 4,1%;
      Retail trade turnover - by 7,7%;
      Well, and so on.
      And only agriculture gave an increase of 3%.
      But colleagues write correctly: the seeds are 90% overseas - how long ?!
      Well, you can probably buy something abroad, but what is an element of the vitality of the state? With great indignation I read that 200 thousand one-day turkey poults were brought to the Rostov region from Germany, which is falling faster than us, for growing ... This is how? Just some kind of wildness. Don't push your turkey farms! Remove from them the sticky hands of law enforcement officers and administrators of all levels. But no, they won't. For they not only grabbed onto something that gives a slightest profit, but also sucked with greedy mouths - a symbiosis, you can't pull it away ...

      So what is the reason for such a catastrophic fall of everything and everyone, except agriculture? We are told: due to the coronavirus epidemic. More specifically, due to the self-isolation regime in March-May.
      Here, judge for yourself.

      In the first quarter of 2020, in 16 regions, financial indicators deteriorated so much that the business turned out to be outright unprofitable.
      Loss leaders:

      Moscow - 85 billion rubles;
      Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District - 51,2 billion rubles;
      Komi Republic - 19 billion;
      Amur Region - 13,2 billion;
      Nenets Autonomous Okrug - 7,7 billion;
      Tomsk region - 7,6 billion;
      Chechnya - 3 billion;
      Dagestan - 2,7 billion;
      North Ossetia - 1,9 billion;
      Crimea - 1,88 billion rubles.

      And here are the leaders in terms of the rate of business decline and growth of losses:

      The absolute champion is Ingushetia. Compared to last spring, the loss has grown by 3260%, or more than 33 times!

      Chechnya - 984%;
      Nenets Autonomous Okrug - 324%;
      Amur Region - 323%;
      Crimea - 315%;
      Jewish Autonomous Region - 168%;
      Komi -159%;
      Sevastopol - 159%;
      Tomsk region - 153%;
      North Ossetia - 153%;
      Tuva - 138% ...

      These are indicators of an increase in the rate of falling. So they fell before the coronavirus? It's just that the epidemic made the secret clear under the magnifying glass of official statistics. And if you look through a microscope?

      According to FinExpertiza, only in 27 out of 85 regions of Russia business was able to increase profits during self-isolation.
      The growth champion is the Altai Republic, by 574%, or almost seven times (the influx of tourists due to the closure of Russian borders).
      Here are the rest:

      Belgorod region - by 237%;
      Mordovia - by 108%;
      Murmansk region - 100%;
      Buryatia - by 80%.

      And that's all that is good. What is left for us? Probably hope. And what is the speed of its fall? Rosstat will not show.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 28
        +2
        But colleagues write correctly: the seeds are 90% overseas - how long ?! Russia buys from 20 to 80% of seeds for all crops - there are no 90% there, most of all, just 80% buy sugar beet seeds.
        1. depressant
          depressant 2 September 2020 20: 25
          0
          Vadim, how you have given me hope! ))))
          Thank you! By as much as 10% they reduced the weight of the stone that lay on my soul, it brightened in the room, angels sang and fluttered in the corners, but for some reason outside the window the trumpets of the Apocalypse sounded and, impatiently beating with hooves, the horses whinnied - Pale and some three ... And the muzzles of the riders in the hoods began to look out the window one by one: why am I having fun)))
  • parusnik
    parusnik 2 September 2020 06: 06
    +8
    And life is just beginning, once again ... smile
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 September 2020 06: 28
    +1
    all triumphant reports about the pace of economic recovery should be taken very restrainedly.
    So few people argue with this. In the current objective situation, all loud statements about "breakthroughs", "caught up and overtook" must be treated with restraint. Today the coronavirus, permanent sanctions, a turbulent situation in the neighbors, and tomorrow ...?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 2 September 2020 06: 31
    14
    It seems that on the website the regular position of the propagandist - bell ringer is assigned to Kharaluzhny? Maybe he asked to replace him?
    By the way, when did the results of the year begin in early September? Or in Russia they returned to the Constantinople chronology from the creation of the world?
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 2 September 2020 06: 37
      +4
      "Or have they returned to the Constantinople chronology from the creation of the world in Russia?"

      And that would be very stiff)
    2. RUnnm
      RUnnm 2 September 2020 06: 54
      0
      Everything is simpler, - the theme of Oreshkin's interview, which came out a couple of days ago, is played up.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 2 September 2020 06: 41
    +2
    Russia held an honorable sixth place in the world ranking of purchasing power parity and GDP

    It is immediately obvious that the text was written by a person extremely savvy in economics.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 2 September 2020 06: 50
    -2
    Quote: Stas157

    Ok, how great everything is !! Now, on salaries and benefits, have Germany also moved? And purchasing power parity is what

    Why are you so excited? They just gave you numbers. Well, worry about the Indians too)))
  • sleeve
    sleeve 2 September 2020 06: 51
    +3
    What is the 4 trillion figure? Where can you read about it?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 September 2020 13: 01
      0
      Go to the websites of the IMF or the World Bank, and look there.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 2 September 2020 15: 36
        +2
        Walked. WB indicates GDP at 1,7 trillion. (Fall for 6 months 6%). So I ask what is 4,16 trillion. ? PPP? It can be 150% of GDP?
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 2 September 2020 17: 56
          0
          Yes maybe. Sometimes the difference is 2-3 times. On these sites and GDP by PPP is.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 2 September 2020 06: 52
    +3
    I read the comments - how easy it is for us to quarrel among ourselves. Just in another topic, everyone was together on the same side, and now we are driving each other with x to x. And this despite the fact that, in fact, there are no hamsters here either. In the comments, only those who want, in fact, the same thing for their country, but have different views on the theory of the distribution of the surplus product and different points of view on reality, but still, are ready to bite each other's throats. This is bad. We won't get far like that.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 2 September 2020 12: 09
      +2
      It seems that we are not going to gnaw the throats of the authorities for the time being, although they are choking us with small pensions and salaries and rising prices.
    2. Kondratich
      Kondratich 3 September 2020 10: 48
      -1
      I agree. But I'll add my five cents.
      Until a couple of generations have passed - that which got used to sitting out their pants for wages since Soviet times, and also, the next generation that they brought up, the level of whining in society will not significantly decrease. First, until the age of 20, their mother wipes their ass, then lives on a scholarship, then sits in one place for a few years for a wage, and then she is unhappy that the pension is small. When people understand that it is not necessary to try to divide the wages into all their needs, but to determine their needs, plus all sorts of mortgages, loans, Wishlist, plus throw 50-60 sput per month for parents, etc. And the resulting amount (200-300-400 sput - write your own) go and try to earn. Today it will not work, tomorrow it will earn more, the day after tomorrow even more. There is no decent income in this specialty - master another. If you are not satisfied with income in this region, move to another. The average American moves every five years for work, and moves 11 times on average over a lifetime. Finally, if you think that your skills are not appreciated in Russia, then move to another country. Departure is free, there is no need to ask for leave at the OVIR.
      And this approach should be brought up from childhood, both in the family and at school: no one owes anything to anyone, no one will solve your problems, if something goes wrong with you, then only you are to blame - you should not consider yourself a victim - then Obama is to blame, then Omama, then Putin, then some other Merkel that a citizen of such and such is chronically lacking for a bubble.
      The economy will only benefit from this if everyone provides for themselves and their families. In the meantime, more than half of the population sits on the budget, and on benefits, the smaller half will not be able to support themselves and feed all this shobla.
      So that everything is in our hands!
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 2 September 2020 06: 52
    +2
    Meanwhile, Russia's international reserves are growing, which also affects the country's position in various economic ratings.

    So the salaries would grow among citizens, and not among a handful of the elite. Well, at least to the level of "advanced" Germany. repeat
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 2 September 2020 06: 55
    -8
    Good objective article.
    Thank you.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 September 2020 06: 55
    +9
    So this is not our merit, just the German economy was blown away a little. By the way, what is the unemployment benefit in Germany and ours?
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  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 2 September 2020 07: 10
    17
    It is very good that the section "Humor" has appeared on VO.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 2 September 2020 07: 15
    10
    Oh, Christmas trees, brooms, and when will we enter the top five for the average salary, pension, life expectancy? We'll be in time for the elections, no? ))
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 2 September 2020 07: 18
    +5
    From childhood he loved fairy tales and fantasy.
    Yesterday I stood at the school and listened to the song.
    "Two by two is four
    Two by two is four
    Everyone in the whole world knows this. "
    I understand now that the song greatly embellishes the situation.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 September 2020 07: 20
    -2
    The main thing is to figure out whether this is a forward movement, or is it moving forward amid a pandemic. Nevertheless, the ruble is not growing against the euro. On the contrary, let's see, they may dust themselves off, but perhaps they won't.
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 2 September 2020 07: 23
    +6
    Everywhere we are the 11th economy in the world, and here we are in the top five.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 September 2020 13: 03
      +1
      You do not distinguish between GDP at par and at PPP? China in terms of GDP at par is not the first, but the second. And in terms of GDP at PPP, it is in first place in the world and considers itself the first economy.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 18: 30
        -1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        And in terms of GDP at PPP, it is in first place in the world and considers itself the first economy.

        And with a dead mouse in my pocket, I consider myself one of the first in the economy.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 32
          +3
          But this is already your problem - what do you consider your economic condition by dead mice.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 19: 41
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            But this is already your problem - what do you consider your economic condition by dead mice.

            Of course mine. For example, my mother needs a lot of money for an operation, where I have nowhere to get it, but here you boast that you have saved up for your pension for 500 years ...
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 2 September 2020 07: 29
    +3
    It is not known whether MAZ products could replace the German MAN or the Swedish Scania somewhere

    Only if in Russia or Africa ...

    In general, all these GDP at PPP are very different from the real state of the economy. China, which has real production, which in some cases exceeds the global one, only recently surpassed the United States. In which, in addition to IT, pharmaceuticals and the military-industrial complex, all other industries have long been in deep crisis. Figures and statistics are very malleable, as you turn, you write ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 September 2020 13: 04
      +1
      Rather, GDP at par is at odds with the real state of the economy.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 2 September 2020 07: 46
    +9
    And then I think that prices have flooded up again, it turns out that we are now raising purchasing power parity ratings. I went to a grocery store, did not buy anything - there are no pieces, for that the rating increased. Here we will overtake Germany! laughing fellow
  • dimasik-nl
    dimasik-nl 2 September 2020 08: 34
    +8
    I live in the Netherlands, and literally on Monday I read that the German economy began to recover at a rapid pace in July and August.
    https://www.lc.nl/economie/Duitse-economie-gaat-snel-van-coronacrisis-herstellen-25977142.html?harvest_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 September 2020 18: 31
      -2
      Quote: dimasik-nl
      I live in the Netherlands, and literally on Monday I read that the German economy began to recover at a rapid pace in July and August.

      This is Goebbels' propaganda. Do not believe it!
  • Valery Potapov
    Valery Potapov 2 September 2020 08: 56
    +8
    Typically de-schiz way of economic development - information stuffing ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 2 September 2020 12: 14
      +5
      And in Russia it has long been customary to raise the economy, develop health care, re-equip the army - with information stuffing.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 2 September 2020 09: 04
    +9
    Ha, gentlemen, commentators. What's that!

    Before the elections, we will not only overtake her, but certainly others.
    There will not be 5th (due to the virus) but 3-4th place.
    True, not for long.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 September 2020 09: 32
    +6
    For the Germans, in addition to the automobile industry, the pharmaceutical industry and medical equipment bring crazy money.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 2 September 2020 11: 15
    +7
    Calculating GDP at PPP is another "craftiness for internal consumption", especially against the backdrop of the depreciation of the ruble. :)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 38
      +1
      Everyone in the world considers their success and growth - by the net profit in your pocket, and not by the number of goods and services that you have released in a year.
  • for
    for 2 September 2020 11: 50
    +2
    Therefore, all victorious reports about the pace of economic recovery should be taken very restrainedly.

    That says it all.
  • iouris
    iouris 2 September 2020 11: 51
    +1
    What is it that they did with Germany?
  • cniza
    cniza 2 September 2020 12: 50
    +3
    Therefore, all victorious reports about the pace of economic recovery should be taken very restrainedly.


    A reasonable conclusion and everyone works harder in their place ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 September 2020 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      Therefore, all victorious reports about the pace of economic recovery should be taken very restrainedly.


      A reasonable conclusion and everyone works harder in their place ...

      More money does not get more money, but even less ... you have to spend more on medicines ..
      1. cniza
        cniza 2 September 2020 15: 44
        +3
        This is someone like, and you do everything just for the sake of money?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2020 15: 49
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          This is someone like, and you do everything just for the sake of money?

          What does everything mean? I work for money ... and you don't work for money?
          1. cniza
            cniza 2 September 2020 15: 55
            +3
            Sometimes I work for the soul, but there is such an approach - "I work in order to live, and not live in order to work" ...
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 2 September 2020 12: 56
    0
    And the Germans feed black parasites for free!
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 September 2020 14: 14
    +5
    Over the past several years, Russia has held the honorable sixth place

    Of course, 6th place is much more honorable than 2nd place of the USSR. The author probably counted according to the Bulgarian system.
    1. Kolin
      Kolin 2 September 2020 15: 30
      -1
      4th place, not 2. Ahead were the USA, China and Japan.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 40
      +1
      The USSR included 15 republics - so that the fifth place out of 200 countries of the world for Russia is already an excellent indicator.
  • Kolin
    Kolin 2 September 2020 15: 29
    0
    The howl of plasma comrades can be heard in Antarctica.
  • high
    high 2 September 2020 15: 32
    +1
    Russia in terms of GDP per capita 2019 - 50th in the world
    Russia in terms of medicine 2019 - 63rd place
    https://nonews.co/directory/lists/countries/health-care-index
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 50
      +2
      Russia in terms of medicine 2019 - 63rd place. And on which USA - if these are in the top ten, then why do they have such a high mortality rate from coronavirus compared to ours, which is dozens of positions behind? For me, all these levels and ratings are empty space - people hawk and the compilers have enough of this, but how in practice all this works, the picture is radically opposite.
      1. high
        high 3 September 2020 22: 59
        0
        Please note that in the countries of Africa, North Korea, Belarus .... there are also very few cases and deaths from coronavirus, it all depends on how many tests are done and how they count.
  • NF68
    NF68 2 September 2020 16: 37
    0
    Losses of the Volkswagen automobile concern in the first half of the year amounted to 1,4 billion euros.


    Yes, a fresh dowry. From the end of March and in April Volkswagen lost about 2 billion euros PER WEEK.

    Germany has only 80.


    Actually about 83 million.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 2 September 2020 17: 09
    +2
    All Russians are clapping their hands. Insanity grows stronger.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 2 September 2020 17: 11
    +3
    Quote: Stas157
    Ok, how great everything is !!

    And if you calculate the total displacement of the oligarchs' private yachts, or their total length, we are probably already in second place after the United States. laughing There are more adequate ratings.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 2 September 2020 17: 22
    0
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    capacity and size of GDP

    VVP-Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. He has a thicker pipe that drives carbohydrates abroad. Already in the leaders! German cars will wait, but everyone wants warmth at home, and you can't cook borscht without gas! wassat The apocalypse is for us! While the crisis we still have to overtake! hi
  • Semyon Kravtsov
    Semyon Kravtsov 2 September 2020 17: 29
    0
    "Moved Germany" is a wet fantasy. Here is information that looks more like the truth:
    infox. ru / news / 251/241952-rossia-polucit-obval-ekonomiki-vmesto-vosstanovlenia-prognoz
    Remove spaces.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2020 19: 52
      -2
      The year is not over yet, so it's too early to make any final results.
  • Vladimir Mazanov
    Vladimir Mazanov 2 September 2020 19: 35
    +3
    Even my cat laughs at this article.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 2 September 2020 20: 35
    0
    Quote: lexus
    The purchasing power parity index is a parasitic measure applied exclusively to poor third world countries. Formulated according to the quantity of the "product", prudently omitting the quality comparison. So that the rogues do not have questions, and the thieving rulers profitable to world capital could keep them in check, telling tales that not everything is so bad. Figuratively: "TAZ" and "Mercedes" - cars; Boeing-787 and An-2 - aircraft; jamon and sausage from horns with hooves - meat products; the bourgeois who drinks Courvoisier and the milling machine who uses Maxim are alcoholics; a fashion model and a roadside "dud" - young ladies with reduced social responsibility, a European who has the opportunity to rent an apartment for 1500 euros and a "beggar" living in a landfill / garbage dump - homeless people! I remember a phrase from an anecdote about news. "Bad - the harvest is not ugly, so we will eat shit; good - a lot of shit!" (C) These subtleties, sooner or later, become a detonator when ordinary citizens get bored with hawking all this shit.

    I like the way you juggle))))) a sharpie on a miserable two ... for example, using your number we compare))) Aurus-41231 and VW (the simplest configuration) Flight Design CTLE and MC-21 ...... and per product))))) to listen to you like this EVERY German every evening for dinner uses jamon and "Courvoisier" and everything else))))) you can compare our young Bohemia with the new German citizens refugees))))) which only shit in the pits weaned)))) .... This is all for what? To the fact that, regardless of the side and point of view, rare mu * aki distort