Serdyukov: The top priority for the Su-57 fighter is delivery to the Russian Armed Forces

The head of the Rostec aviation cluster, Anatoly Serdyukov, gave a long interview after a rather long break.

Former Russian Defense Minister Answered Journalist's Questions RBC... One of the areas of the conversation concerned the prospects for the fifth generation fighter Su-57.

Anatoly Serdyukov was asked whether Russia is preparing to sell these fighters to foreign buyers, and if so, to whom specifically.

The head of the Rostec aviation cluster noted that there is interest in the Su-57 from foreign countries. At the same time, Serdyukov added that there can be no talk of any export of the latest combat aircraft as long as there are no such fighters in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces.

According to Serdyukov, the top priority is "the delivery of the Su-57 to the Russian Armed Forces."

The ex-minister of defense added that against this background, proposals to potential foreign customers of this kind of military equipment are received from the corporation.

Serdyukov:

Who? I will not say. It is too early.

The topic of staff reductions in the United Aircraft Corporation was also touched upon in the interview. According to Serdyukov, optimization (and this is what this person calls reductions) is planned at the level of 8-10 percent. If you believe Serdyukov, this kind of "optimization" will affect mainly the administration, management personnel, but will not affect personnel from the engineering and design staff.

According to Serdyukov, today the UAC's debt to banks has reached 530 billion rubles. The head of the Rostec aviation cluster said that today it is easier to name those banks to which the UAC has no debts.

Comments

[Trapp1st]

Again this optimizer, why is it still free?

[horus88]

Because your own board for the main

[Svarog]

Quote: Trapp1st

Again this optimizer, why is it still free?

The question needs to be posed more broadly .. they are all like that .. But we don’t hand over ours as you know ..

[kamarada]

This is what is terrifying. So neither the United States nor Nata is needed, so everyone will lose their own.

[Svarog]

Quote: Kamarada

This is what is terrifying. So neither the United States nor Nata is needed, so everyone will lose their own.

Naturally, it is not the United States that adopts laws in our country, corruption and nepotism are not propagated by the United States either, it is not the United States that is withdrawing money from the economy in billions of dollars .. retirement age, demography .. this is also its own handiwork ..

[Temples]

UAC in front of banks reached 530 billion rubles.

Bankers must be sent to or to. In general, let them smoke.
They are parasites and idlers. Freeloaders and thieves.
They take loot for a penny and sell it for a lot.

Let them run after the UAC.

Or let these banks go bankrupt along with Gref and Naibulina.

and for optimization you need first of all a stool.
Let him go to the pension fund and optimize it. Will reduce this sharaga to zero.
Then to the Ministry of Economic Development and there to reduce everyone to zero.

I will honor such a stool.
There is nothing to respect, but if I cut a couple of ministries, I will.

[Victor67]

You do not quite correctly assess the work of bank employees, there people in ordinary positions plow 12 hours a day in order to satisfy your ambitions: apartments, cars, mobile phones of the latest model, you cannot go without them))) You cannot enter any courtyard, all credit Lined with foreign cars, sidewalks, lawns, playgrounds.
And for optimization, you need the army, first of all, the police and the Russian Guard, with all their 30-year-old generals in skirts, staff clerks and other loafers who go on colonel-general's pensions at 40 (which Serdyukov started, they just made a fool out of him and kicked him out ).
Explain why the girls are sitting in the National Guard at the registration of weapons in Major's shoulder straps? At the age of 40, these girls will retire at my expense, register a labor veteran with 2 anniversary medals, and stop paying for everything at all, they will travel for free to departmental sanatoriums annually, at whose expense? That's right: at the expense of that guy from the bank or PF who pays taxes.
The same in MREO traffic police: girls and boys in uniform from starley to major are sitting, grabbing bribes for beautiful numbers, at 40 - a pension, what the hell?
And that guy from the bank will work until the age of 65 for a pension of 18000, although the work with pieces of paper is no different from the above, who will receive a pension of 30000 at 40.
If someone is to be cut, it is necessary to cut Rosgvardia in full force, bringing the OMON, SOBR and UVO back to the police, transfer the LRO to civilian life at the MFC. In the traffic police, remove everything as unnecessary, transferring the MREO to the MFC (without shoulder straps). The patrol functions of the traffic police will perfectly perform ordinary police officers, as is done all over the world. Along the entire vertical of these departments, there will be such savings that the retirement age can be lowered to 55 years, and if in the Defense Ministry who did not serve in the army, they are deprived of their epaulettes and make civilian salaries, then up to 50 years.
Something like this...

[boss]

You are writing a case, but for such rationalization proposals, they can write a criminal case.
For rocking the pillars and foundations of the state)

[Grits]

Quote: Victor67

The same in MREO traffic police: girls and boys in uniform from starley to major are sitting, grabbing bribes for beautiful numbers, at 40 - a pension, what the hell?
And that guy from the bank will work until the age of 65 for a pension of 18000

In general, it pisses me off when the boys who studied several classes below me in our school have retired. And who now have a pension greater than my salary, they got a job as security guards, laugh at us as losers and believe that life is good. The question is - who is it? And those who have worked in the police for a dozen years. Which did not detain a single armed bandit, but stupidly wrote pieces of paper and waved striped sticks. Or the Ministry of Emergency Situations, who did not save anyone in their lives, but simply issued fines to poor schools and entrepreneurs who were barely making ends meet.
Moreover, after the pension reform, everyone had their retirement period extended. But the reform did not touch this category at all. So it turns out, I will plow until 65 and next year I will bend, and my classmate at 35 is already a retiree with a good pension. Well, where is the justice in life? ... Welfare state ... (and mats went off in a stormy stream)

[Sentinel-vs]

You write, as they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. I fully support !!!
They made some kind of bogey out of Serdyukov, but he essentially moved the ossified late Soviet decadent army from a dead center, staged a shock management. And after the clumsy kondovy army of the First Chechen era, we saw a blitzkrieg in Crimea and a successful remote proxy war in Syria.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Victor67

Something like this...

Quite right. Wherever employees are engaged in clerical work, positions should be transferred to the category of civil servants ....
A delusional statement, they say, we give them shoulder straps so as not to spread official-secret information that is delusional. Upon entering the civil service, you will also receive admission, for the extra chatter you will calmly go to court. It is enough to pay a premium for secrecy. There are enough such clerical posts in the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB ...
The idea with Rosgvardia is stupid. If there were any questions, it was enough to withdraw the Internal Troops from under the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the subordination of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and that's it. Why they were given the weapons accounting and so on I don't understand

[Victor67]

Well, we have a common outlook on life, good evening!
These clerks in uniform have no secrets, ordinary personal data, like a girl in any bank: full name, address, passport data, SNILS, and so on. There is a law according to which they take consent from the client to process PD, this is done everywhere, from banks and management companies of houses, to telephone operators and Internet providers, in theory, a legal entity, for example a bank, is responsible for the safety of PD, but in practice these databases are merged into the network every month That is why some devils call you and me every day, ranging from scammers (SB of Sberbank, give the card number and CiViSi) and ending with suppliers of goods and services.
I also agree with Rosgvardia, there were VVs - and that's it, go about your business, what for them UVOs, SOBRs, OMONs, FSUE "Okhrana", etc. Probably, with such a mass it's easier to cut money on maintenance and purchases, but I will not comment on that let them break up ... they have big heads, let them think.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Victor67

Well, we have a common outlook on life, good evening!
These clerks have no uniform

Kind. I'm generally speaking. You never know even if there is secrecy. There is no problem with that.
And so it comes to insanity. Girl ensign - well, how can I be on duty at the checkpoint at night, I'm a woman. You are ml ... not a woman in the service, but a soldier. Read from ... the charter. Some of the contract women wiping their asses in the headquarters in some places allowed themselves to come in civilian life. Some kind of insanity. The staffs are swollen. The outfits in the unit are carried every other day on the belt. To push the ship into the sea, we collect people from all the other ships.
A good friend of mine had a photo in his office of how a brigade of girls on Truman seemed to be sorting out and lubricating the catapult. I hung it on purpose.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Svarog

demography .. this is also our own doing ..

This is the main thing, with all the ensuing consequences. Apparently from tireless care and well-fed life:

In 2020 year the population of Russia will decrease by 158 thousand people, this is the highest figure for the last 14 years. This follows from the text of the draft unified government plan for achieving the national development goals of Russia for the period until 2024 and for the planning period until 2030

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Because "we do not abandon our own." On that we stand and will stand))) Amen.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

We'll see. The promises are wonderful and beautiful. But life experience suggests that, starting with the promises to cut administration and managers, they ended up cutting down engineers and workers. And they started with the reduction of cleaning ladies!

[halpat]

Quote: Trapp1st

Again this optimizer, why is it still free?

Yapon boh !!
I’m thinking: Why does the Su-57 not get out of the problems and fly as planned and expected?
And there is Taburetkin !!
I have no more questions. No, though. Vasiliev and Puzikov have already appointed their deputies or is still waiting for a convenient moment?

[dSK]

Shoigu restored the army after him, will there be enough time and health to restore the "defense industry"?

[marchcat]

According to Serdyukov, today the UAC's debt to banks has reached 530 billion rubles. The head of the Rostec aviation cluster said that today it is easier to name those banks to which the UAC has no debts

I wonder what kind of wage arrears Serdyukov has or is missing, since regularly receives its not a small "piece".

[Senka naughty]

He takes not with salary, but with loans from Ros.banks, they still do not need to give back.

[dauria]

Shoigu restored the army after him, ...

What is the name of the current Minister of Emergency Situations? Make Shoigu Minister of Education and the media will tell you that Americans are coming to study with us. And the Nobel Committee will soon move to St. Petersburg, because all the laureates are Russian.

This is one group, enough to close your eyes. And the figures are not the main ones, playing the role of curators from the "board of directors"

[Alexey RA]

Quote from dsk

Shoigu restored the army after him

Uh-huh ... how Shoigu rebuilt the army was shown by the recent firing of tankers with TURs.
By the way, the army now travels, flies and walks on what was ordered under Serdyukov. And some orders are still being executed.

[Tusv]

Quote from dsk

Shoigu restored the army after him

I will repay according to your deeds. Finally, Putin restored the army in the second Chechen, and 2008 happened already under Tuburetkin. By the way, the Duckling, approved by Serdyukov, ended the war. The right car? Certainly. By and large, Shoigu created only the Russian Geographical Society and drew the stars of the marshal for himself, and so - there is only one advertisement. No, as the head of the Ministry of Emergencies, I respect him very much. But score in the column the deeds of Shoigu and the deeds of Serdyukov. Have they scored? What happens - Kuzhegetich leaves for Serdyukov. But Sedyukov is a techie, and Kuzheketych is a commanding officer. Both go about their business. IMHO

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Halpat

Yapon boh !!
I’m thinking: Why does the Su-57 not get out of the problems and fly as planned and expected?
And there is Taburetkin !!

And then there is: "iodine your copper" ...
I got to your post - not a single positive emotion ... That there is something in the country ...

[snake]

Serdyukov: The top priority for the Su-57 fighter is delivery to the Russian Armed Forces

The most important task for Serdyukov is to have everything, and nothing for it. And, admittedly, he successfully fulfills it. This is not an ordinary man who stole a couple of kilograms of potatoes. This is "your".

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: serpent

The most important task for Serdyukov is to have everything, and nothing for it.

I'll try to remake Filatov:

Why does he need
Is the country with aviation?
After all, he, as an engineer,
Sorry, not worth the price.
It is not enough to know the "materiel" itself,
One must have ardor and passion!
And now the task for him is
You can't get to the cemetery!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Trapp1st

Again this optimizer, why is it still free?

"The kid said, the kid did" - destroying the country's Air Force.

[Cyril G ...]

Do you recall what famous pilot and aviation expert was appointed commander of the Aerospace Forces not long ago? Also appointed Serdyukov?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Do you recall what famous pilot and aviation expert was appointed commander of the Aerospace Forces not long ago? Also appointed Serdyukov?

Not. But he is the same pilot as I am.

[Ryusei]

Why should they put him in jail?

[g1v2]

Because he did what no one before him could - he turned a stump of the Soviet army into a combat-ready and modern Russian army. And on the little things - at one time he forced the oil workers to pay taxes, returned a significant part of oil production to state ownership and put Khodorkovsky in prison.
But since he acts on members of the forum like a red rag on a bull, now a massive undermining of farts will begin. Tch running for popcorn to watch this fireworks.

[Tusv]

Quote: Trapp1st

Again this optimizer, why is it still free?

And the hell knows why. What do you have to show? The artist Vasiliev? This is not Chubais, who was destroying the energy sector and took up Rusnano. On the contrary, he attracted a bunch of Western technologies. Not Rogozin, who gave a lot of dough to cut on the East. Look, Kirilenko has defaulted. He bent the whole country, although it is clear that the kinder surprise was just voiced. Now, as the head of Rosatom, he raised the industry above the world

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tusv

Look, Kirilenko has defaulted.

Basketball player Kirilenko defaulted? What a scoundrel.

Quote: Tusv

Now, as the head of Rosatom, he raised the industry above the world

Oh, you mean Kiriyenko! Well, he is no longer the head of Rosatom. And what he raised there is not clear. Is that paying nuclear scientists more or less normally began, and even then, at the expense of loans.

[Aleksandr1971]

Serdyukov, with all his quirks, is an effective manager in his place. Serdyukov has not yet demonstrated that he is a thief. Although there are still inclinations behind him, for example, in connection with the construction of roads at the expense of the Ministry of Defense to the dachas of relatives in the Krasnodar Territory. Badly characterizes Serdyukov and the fact that he let his mistresses near the state feeder. The women at the state trough (Vasiliev) are kapets how bad it is for the people. Because always women with uncontrolled power begin to think that power is their own children's toy. An example of this is the Empress Anna Ivanovna and Elizabeth Petrovna, who spent the state budget on dresses and carnivals. Men, if they have uncontrolled absolute power, perceive power as personal property only in one third or one quarter of the cases, and in most cases - as serving a common cause (even with subjectivist quirks).

But at the same time, Serdyukov is not a traitor. Serdyukov, although he made a number of major mistakes in matters of military development (I will not list), also began extremely necessary and useful changes in the Ministry of Defense. But neither Sergeev, nor Ivanov - a career military man and a security man, had not thought of this before Serdyukov, or could not ...

[Zaurbek]

Still, they would have established, as to F35, competent and beautiful PR. Pictures from radars, movies would be removed ..... F35 in this regard is far ahead.

[Free wind]

Smart people do not react to advertising, this is not a bottle of beer, the price is slightly different. They study the technical characteristics, compare.

[Zaurbek]

Just the opposite.

[RUBEY]

Even a proper name was not worthy to come up with a cool novelty. And it would not be superfluous.

[Borik]

Where Serdyukov is, there are immediately growing debts. Until it is optimized that we will remain without aviation.

[Zaurbek]

Serdyukov is a friend of VVP and LADIES ...
From their gang of watering cans.

[Kart]

Ага.
The poor people in secret basements are trying to build the SU-57, but the "watering gang" gets in the way.
One has only to get rid of it - and immediately heal.

[Zaurbek]

No not like this. As soon as someone starts to go to the final ... and state and foreign purchases loom, then sons and relatives (officials-idlers) begin to shove into the office. For huge salaries. UAC - at the exit - Il114 / 112 ..... МС21, Il476. Everything is already ready.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Borik

Until it is optimized that we will remain without aviation.

I have optimized military aviation schools so that the Air Force still lacks flight personnel.

[Wwk7260]

And why hasn't today's righteous Ministry of Defense been restoring them for eight years? I will answer, because the Aerospace Forces does not have and does not foresee a sufficient number of airplanes and helicopters.

[Aleksandr1971]

And you propose yourself for the post of general director of the UAC. And then people will see how much more effective you are.

[newcomer]

Huy fired the monogerous parasites. Tokmo be careful, some have access to the "classified" stamp.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: newbie

Tokmo carefully, some have access to the "classified" stamp.

What would Comrade Stalin do with such?

[newcomer]

I would have acted fairly. Nowadays, you have to be very careful with people with access.

[Vadim237]

530 billion - not frail debts from the UAC.

[Grazdanin]

We need to add this money to the sums of government contracts for the purchase of aviation and the real cost of our aircraft will come out.

[Zaurbek]

To evaluate whether it is a lot or a little, you need to know the essence. We don't know. Maybe it's just a penny ?! Look not spending on Boeing and Airbus. They are dated by the state. And the UAC put a lot of points into the Il112 / 114 and MC21 and there are no sales yet. Certification in progress. And this is a waste and not small.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zaurbek

Certification in progress. And this is a waste and not small.

Again, the spiteful west does not allow our planes to fly on internal Russian lines.

[Zaurbek]

Not a logical conclusion

[Trapp1st]

530 billion - not frail debts from the UAC.

They did not optimize, they tried with all their might, offshore companies almost burst, it was not easy.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Trapp1st

They did not optimize, they tried with all their might, offshore companies almost burst, it was not easy.

And everyone seems to know about it, but no one talks about it, everyone is silent, as if they do not know who is withdrawing money and where.

[Ryusei]

Is there an evidence base, or, as usual, nonsense?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vadim237

530 billion - not frail debts from the UAC.

These are mainly loans. Borrowed from commercial banks at high interest rates to fulfill the SDO. Who knows how the state defense order is financed, and what delays in the treasury in paying even completed orders, questions would not be asked, where and what. Now these loans are being refinanced at significantly lower interest rates, and the interest burden on debt will be reduced ... They had to do this. Since while the treasury was being put in order, this is such a garbage ...

[Mountain shooter]

Oh, experts have come running. You, probably, fulfill the state defense order and are faced with the problems of spending funds on special accounts? Collecting competent opinions

[Kart]

So far, only other experts are raging here, who are wailing all gone.
Are these opinions competent for you?
I hope no.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Carte

Are these opinions competent for you?

Of course no...

[newcomer]

Actually, a very interesting interview. I advise all colleagues to read it. By the way, it says about the dismissal of administrators of managers and, to add 1,5 thousand. engineers, technicians.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: newbie

Actually, a very interesting interview

I agree. Well, not really.

[newcomer]

Where to go, contradictory personality.

[Aviator_]

contradictory personality.

Yes, there is generally no contradictions. Everything is one way. And everyone knows which one.

[newcomer]

I expressed my opinion based on well-known facts.

[Husit]

Quote: newbie

Actually, a very interesting interview. I advise all colleagues to read it. By the way, it says about the dismissal of administrators of managers and, to add 1,5 thousand. engineers, technicians.

If the author of the article had made an emphasis on this right away, then a completely different reaction would have been ... They know how to manipulate, especially the titles of articles. Serdyukov is like a red rag here for the majority ... But the rearmament of the Army did not begin with Shoigu, when he came, the flywheel began to spin up .... Well, let's let off steam!

[newcomer]

Well I say: Serdyukov is contradictory. But I suppose: Motherland said _ it is necessary, Serdyukov answered _ yes! His role was unenviable, unenviable.

[Aviator_]

But the rearmament of the Army did not begin with Shoigu

Well, yes, the academy. Zhukovsky from Moscow and them. Gagarin was moved from Monino to Voronezh to an empty place on Stalin's orders. I'm not even talking about the elimination of the divisional level in the troops and the elimination of military medicine. And the purchases of Italian armored personnel carriers, which cannot walk in the snow, of course, were organized by Marshal Ustinov. I left such a will.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Aviator_

I'm talking about the elimination of the divisional link in the troops

Designed for a war like 08.08.08. It was planned to have brigades of constant readiness, staffed by 90-95%, which would be more mobile and more combat-ready than the old divisions. Let me remind you that at 08.08.08 our mechanized infantry division was able to deploy only a reinforced battalion from the regiment.
But traditionally wanted the best, but it turned out as always - there was not enough money for fully equipped brigades, and as a result, the new brigades inherited all the shortcomings of the old divisions with their cadre of logistics and other services. They looked at it, spat - and returned the divisions back.

Quote: Aviator_

And purchases of Italian armored personnel carriers, which cannot walk in the snow,

If you are talking about Lynx, then they were taken for protection from mines and as pressure on GAZ, which then became somewhat starred in its monopoly ..
In addition, complaints about poor snow permeability refer to the early "Lynxes". After the modification by "Remdizel" the cross-country ability of "Russian Italians" increased.

[Alf]

Quote: Alexey RA

In addition, complaints about poor snow permeability refer to the early "Lynxes".

Quote: Alexey RA

After the revision by "Remdizel" the cross-country ability of "Russian Italians" increased.

Why did you buy something that had to be refined afterwards?

[Alexey RA]

This video, EMNIP, dates back to 2012 - it shows an early "lynx".

Quote: Alf

Why did you buy something that had to be refined afterwards?

And in order to save money - for a complete revision of a serial product manufacturer we have already passed the Mistral to meet the requirements of the Customer. Remember how many angry words were said when it became known - how much the cost of the Mistral for the Russian Federation differs from the base model?
Buy a serial product, test it in the army, modify in place with a file.
In addition, from what was sold, the "lynx" in its class of mine-protected vehicles was the best.

[Aviator_]

With some stretch, your arguments can be accepted. And the practical destruction of academies for the sake of land is a firing squad in a normal state ..

[Alf]

Quote: Aviator_

in normal

Keyword.

[Sergej1972]

We returned several divisions, but the brigades still prevail.

[Alf]

Quote: newbie

By the way, it says about the dismissal of administrators of managers and, to add 1,5 thousand. engineers, technicians.

And about the REAL salaries of engineers and technicians in this decree nothing is said?

[newcomer]

I don't know about the "decree", just read the interview.

[kamarada]

And no one stole anything

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Kamarada

And no one stole anything

And what did the court say? Theft was not proven ... but really wanted.

[Zaurbek]

People appointed by the GDP, the Duma.

[Sergej1972]

The Duma did not particularly participate in the appointments before the amendments were adopted.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Kamarada

And who are the judges ???

Probably you ??? Would you be condemned?
And who financed the PR company AGAINST him? And Vasilyeva? Really, a lot of money, a few months, out of all the irons ... things like that don't just happen. TV channels are cynical and will not show anything without money. Public opinion was carefully formed ... So what? And how did it happen that Shoigu came, and as if by magic, we have the second army in the world (and I believe that it is not the second one) ... Question everything, Descartes said. Especially my opinion. Especially when it is diligently imposed.

[Kart]

None of them cares that all this was laid and began under Serdyukov.
Driven into the brain to water is known with what - they water.
This is how AvtoVAZ was watered before, and now Roscosmos is watered.

[rruvim]

Nobody claims that Serdyukov acted alone. The cat understands who gave the orders. On the so-called "reform" of the army. He just "got carried away", and not only Vasilyeva but also loot (he needed Aivazovsky's paintings). And also, in addition, how Zakharchenko came into conflict with Patrushev's department. And he is also a bastard, because he is a sycophant and a nonentity who abandoned his mistress. In general - not an officer! Officers do not refuse their ladies.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And what did the court say? Theft was not proven ... but really wanted.

For some reason, it seems to me that the court will not prove Efremov's guilt in an accident. And ..... really wants to.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

For some reason, it seems to me that the court will not prove Efremov's guilt in an accident

He will prove, and will thrust him "for all good" close to the maximum ... Olegovich is sick of it ... and the court too ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

He will prove, and will thrust him "for all good" close to the maximum ... Olegovich is sick of it ... and the court too ...

Blessed is he who believes. Is that just what your faith is based on? How is Potanin punished for spilling diesel fuel? Who was imprisoned for bankruptcy of enterprises? Armstrong, for example? Who is punished for the destruction of domestic civil aviation, etc. Haven't you still not understood that we are all equal before the law, but some who are close to the trough are much "smoother"?

[Aviator_]

In the premises of the Basmanny Court, the electric meter changed its readings.

[Ryusei]

Well, why, for example, you stole and cheated, because I understand that there is no need for evidence of this, you just need to yell about it loudly and at all corners.

[2 Level Advisor]

Something that has been put in order for at least 10 years, they will not bring it in any way and it does not seem that they are going .. debts are swelling on loans that are taken on order, then they are extinguished at the expense of the budget in a circle .. And if you are Eugene in the subject, then you you know very well about this .. You are right about the delays in the treasury .. but why then the budget extinguishes the debts of enterprises? or is it normal in your opinion?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

You Eugene in the subject, you know very well about this .. You are right about the delays in the treasury .. but why then the debts of enterprises are extinguished by the budget? or is it ok for you

It is not normal. When you need to keep separate accounting for each order. And open an account with an authorized bank (for each state defense order). And the bank under the microscope is checking every account. And the permission to spend up to 3 million rubles a month on something else was revoked! And you have money in your account, and you CANNOT spend it on urgent needs - only on salaries and taxes. But nothing can be spent inappropriately ... shackles!

[Mountain shooter]

But then delivering hammers of 800 bucks to the Russian army will not work ...

[RUnnm]

Maintaining separate accounting is just in the settings of the working chart of accounts to put one figure in the chart of accounts and then correctly post direct costs. In normal organizations, this is done without the CP. To open and maintain special accounts, if you are not trying to withdraw money on the left - no problem.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

But nothing can be spent inappropriately ... shackles!

Believe it or not, it was for this particular account that they introduced. That would not repeat the story with Spetsstroy.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: RUnnm

Keeping separate accounting is just to put one number in the settings of the working chart of accounts and then correctly post direct costs. In normal organizations, this is done without the CP. Open and maintain special accounts, if you are not trying to withdraw money on the left - no problem

And I never said that it was impossible. The problem is that they give an advance payment of 30% (no more). And try not to meet the deadline. And you can't even pay the interest on the loan from a special account. Have you opened an account with authorized banks? How long did it take?

[RUnnm]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The problem is that they give an advance of 30% (

I repeat once again - SPETSSTROY showed perfectly what is happening with 100% financing

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And try not to meet the deadline

Again, you won't believe it, but there is a principle - the contract must be fulfilled!

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And you can't even pay the interest on the loan from a special account.

I advise you to CAREFULLY study the provisions of clause "a" of Article 8.4 275-FZ. You are wrong.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Have you opened an account with authorized banks? How long did it take?

Yes. Paperwork - day. If everything is worked out. And you are not a gray office.

And about 3/5 million you are also wrong. CAREFULLY study the provisions of Article 8.3 275-FZ

[Mountain shooter]

You are wrong. Have tried. It is necessary to prove that the loan was taken specifically for THIS order, and justify its value. And if the GOZ is not alone? Yes, with different deadlines? (And start) ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

These are mainly loans. Borrowed from commercial banks at high interest rates to fulfill the SDO. Who knows how the SDO is financed

Before WWII, battleships of the "Petropavlovsk" type were built by St. Petersburg shipyards at state factories, and the "Empress Maria" type battleships were built by the Nikolaev shipyard on a commercial basis. The price of the St. Petersburg battleships was almost half the price.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tihonmarine

Before WWII, battleships of the "Petropavlovsk" type were built by St. Petersburg shipyards at state factories, and the "Empress Maria" type battleships were built by the Nikolaev shipyard on a commercial basis. The price of the St. Petersburg battleships was almost half the price.

"Sevastopoli" cost 29,4 million rubles apiece (this is without taking into account 7,5 million for spare guns and ammunition).
"Empresses" cost 27,78 million rubles (Russud) and 29,8 million rubles. (Naval).

[Vadim237]

I believe that this amount will be restructured over time - 50% will be written off.

[Charik]

only six months to sell oil to America

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Vadim237

530 billion - not frail debts from the UAC.

Do not be ridiculous, firstly it is a penny, and secondly it is not debts but investments. How debts are meant for you, so that you understand how "fathers" love you and how much they spend on your safety.

[sergo1914]

And I believe him. The kid said - the kid did.

[rruvim]

This bastard got out on the "public" ...

[RUnnm]

Head of the Rostec aviation cluster Anatoly Serdyukov

I won't even read further ...
Only if the news comes from the Investigative Committee.

Recently I heard one piece of news, in which I do not want to believe at all - Taburetkin may, in general, replace Chemezov as head of Rostec. GDP gave them a year to sort out among themselves on the issue of succession.

But in general, already in Rostec he arranged a complete analogue of "Slavyanka" and no one cares.

[askort154]

RUnnm .... I won't even read further ...
Only if the news comes from the Investigative Committee.

You shouldn't hope. It was already in 2008. The investigation determined "negligence" with damage to the budget of 56 mln. rubles. The case did not come to court. Serdyukov "got" under the amnesty. Now this "indispensable wide-profile specialist" is back at the budget trough. He fell into a "clip" that does not burn and does not sink.

[RUnnm]

One joy - at least once in the face before the formation received.

[Alf]

Quote: RUnnm

One joy - at least once in the face before the formation received.

For such income, you can and "once, not a homosexual."

[Aviator_]

He fell into a "clip" that does not burn and does not sink.

It only smells.

[Free wind]

Cool statement, we will not sell to anyone, but we make proposals, to whom I will not tell.

[kamarada]

It seems to me alone that this is the second wave of Chubais and Gaidars. ? Come to finish off Russia. Suck her last life force? Everyone sees that something is wrong. But what can be done. How to get rid of these pests. ?

[Alf]

Quote: Kamarada

But what can be done. How to get rid of these pests. ?

[fa2998]

Quote: newbie

Actually, a very interesting interview.

I especially liked the fact that there is already a queue for the SU-57. All foreign buyers see how many of these weapons have been delivered to their own aircraft, and the operating experience. Even a previously conceived project for export (for example, F-5) was still adopted by its own Air Force, hundreds of them flew ...
And this one is being built for 20 years, all the problems, the first serial crashed, half a trillion debts, and buyers are already on the horizon.

[Alf]

Quote: fa2998

Even a previously conceived project for export (for example, F-5) was still adopted by its own air force, hundreds flew.

So the Tigers first went over the hill in considerable numbers, and only then Airfors began to look closely at him.

[Husit]

Who? I will not say. It is too early.

Well, now Serdyuk will get rid of the members of the forum in full ..))) I would rather keep quiet
I will not comment, otherwise I will ogreb

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Husit

I will not comment, otherwise I will ogreb

And whoever doubts, they will work according to the scheme. I'm going to ogre too.

[Evil 55]

I really don't want to listen to ANY information from this Freak ...

[Asad]

They will probably close Chkalovsky in Novosibirsk!

[pint45]

One blah blah worked in the UAC five YEARS ago, everyone wasted a complete mess. The old specialists are gone by age, there are no new ones, young people are ready to consume and not create. and another entot Serdyukov ?? got out with some statements and his place on the bunk

[APASUS]

According to Serdyukov, today the UAC's debt to banks has reached 530 billion rubles. The head of the Rostec aviation cluster said that today it is easier to name those banks to which the UAC has no debts

Again, there are no responsible persons in state corporations, but there is a debt of 530 billion rubles!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: APASUS

Again, there are no responsible persons in state corporations, but there is a debt of 530 billion rubles!

And the thief did not get, and the dad was stolen.

[Charik]

And that the photo was not inserted, probably such a mug was devoured that does not fit into the lens

[rruvim]

There is such a thing: a handshake either no... I don't understand how they shake his hand at Rostec. He specifically betrayed his mistress. A real officer would never do that! Yes, it is possible that he was busy with something in front of the Brigadier, but in the TFR there are the signatures of the protocols, where he dumps all the blame on Vasilyeva.

[Charik]

and Rosstat also cannot understand where the $ 90 yards and the state companies have gone

[RUnnm]

I was amazed at the number of Serdyukov's defenders .... I will tell only one of many real stories involving this wonderful person.
He arrives for the delivery of the renovated air traffic control center of the Moscow Region in the center of Moscow (the names have been deliberately changed somewhat). He walked, walked and said - how much time do you need to free the building for sale? Everything is in ah e, ​​so much effort, money, infrastructure, communication channels .... He is told that control has already been transferred to this point. It cannot be disabled. The answer is brilliant - what is it? While you are moving, hand out cell phones to the pilots and control them via cellular communication!

[Ryusei]

The names have been deliberately changed, well).

[RUnnm]

I do not quite understand...

[rruvim]

That is why Serdyukov was left in his "position" without landing. It was just necessary to remove a few talented and charismatic generals, admirals and colonels who did not trust the Brigadier very much. Succeeded? Succeeded! But 2014 came, then Syria, and they were needed again. Only Serdyukov was no longer in the subject, two years in advance ... But Serdyukov fulfilled his task, at some point.

[exo]

Oh, how many times I went through and saw this "optimization". With the same slogan: "... will mainly affect the administration, management personnel, but will not affect personnel from the engineering and design staff." In my case: the engineering staff.
The result is ALWAYS the opposite.

[Klingon]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: newbie

Tokmo carefully, some have access to the "classified" stamp.

What would Comrade Stalin do with such?

under Comrade Stalin there was no Serdyukov. Rogozin was not there, and this red-haired Wookiee was not there. But there was Korolev and Tupolev with Mikoyan, I was also Ilyushin and Sukhoi in person. And everything worked as it should. I think if Comrade Stalin suddenly resurrected and found all this modern gang at the "work" or "optimization", he would immediately instruct the resurrected Comrade Beria to sort out the issue .. And Comrade Beria would certainly figure it out. And everything would work kaaak need ...
and Mr. Serdyukov & Co. at best, the forest would have been felled. and at worst .. well let's not talk about the worst

[rruvim]

And here Rogozin? There are managers and there are managers. Not the same at all. Rogozin's apparatus did not collapse. Not those that were produced before him, "touched", but those that were produced during it... Everything, that produced with it entered the calculated orbits. Not a single accident!

[Polente the Wanderer]

We do not sow or plow optimizers. The habit of appointing someone with red does not solve the management problem, although as an option, directing people's resentment towards someone else brings success.

[Ryusei]

Quote: Ryusey

Well, why, for example, you stole and cheated, because I understand that there is no need for evidence of this, you just need to shout about it loudly and at all angles.

[Wwk7260]

What are the experiences of the contraction of the immensely inflated KLA apparatus? At one time, Serdyukov normally so patted the generals in the Ministry of Defense, and. Roscosmos also needs "Serdyukov" and USC and many other places!

[Alf]

Quote: Wwk7260

What are the experiences of the contraction of the immensely inflated KLA apparatus?

Are you sure that managers will be laid off, and not hard workers?
P.S. The minus is not mine.

[Wwk7260]

Let's just say, I hope so, in the Serdyukov army "bayonets" did not reduce, and generals and structures without a function, yes, unfortunately the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense is stepping on the old rake of the late USSR. The disadvantages do not really care at all with the current pool of commentators, somehow purple, at the dawn of the VO had general's shoulder straps, but by the time of the first ban he had already been demoted to the captain, if memory serves.
In general, it is still not clear where the Defense Ministry should end and the Army begin, and vice versa, it seems that neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation has resolved this issue. The model of the American "Pentagon" seems to be the most successful, but how to implement it in Russian realities is a question.

[Alf]

Quote: Wwk7260

Let's just say, I hope so, in the Serdyukov army "bayonets" did not reduce, and generals and structures without a function, yes, unfortunately the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense is stepping on the old rake of the late USSR. The disadvantages do not really care at all with the current pool of commentators, somehow purple, at the dawn of the VO had general's shoulder straps, but by the time of the first ban he had already been demoted to the captain, if memory serves.
In general, it is still not clear where the Defense Ministry should end and the Army begin, and vice versa, it seems that neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation has resolved this issue. The model of the American "Pentagon" seems to be the most successful, but how to implement it in Russian realities is a question.

Wait a minute! Don't jump off the topic, I asked the question clearly and clearly. Not about the army, but about the industry.

[Wwk7260]

In industry, structural reductions in management personnel are necessary, but without "blood" this cannot be done, Serdyukov is the most suitable candidate for this. He alone managed to do it in the Army and the Ministry of Defense, not without excesses, of course, but it probably cannot be otherwise. I think it will be easier to cope with the KLA with a young structure than with an inveterate Army and Ministry of Defense
I hope so clear.

[Alf]

Quote: Wwk7260

I hope so clear.

Again you about yours. The factory and the army are completely different things. There is usually an overabundance of deputy directors at the plant, but they start to "optimize" with hard workers.

[Wwk7260]

I mean that Serdyukov can do exactly that, reducing the structural management personnel, and increase salaries for workers and engineers, as he did in the Army. Under Serdyukov, there was the greatest increase in the pay of officers and contract servicemen, with the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense their real incomes are significant decreased if we take into account inflation. If he could do it in the Army, then it should work out in civilian life, such "Serdyukovs" are needed everywhere in the Russian Federation.

[Alf]

Quote: Wwk7260

I mean that Serdyukov can do exactly that, cutting down the structural management personnel, and raise wages for workers and engineers,

For all the factories I will not say, but how many staff (everyone) at Kuznetsov was cut, but the salaries of workers were tightened only by% inflation, that is, no more than 4-5% per year.

[Wwk7260]

There seem to be no prospects there anymore, I saw its designers in some program about this design bureau, their age does not fit the definition of retirement age, it is post-retirement, probably both working personnel and engineers of this kind. if you have something to do with him, you probably know everything yourself.

[Alf]

Quote: Wwk7260

There seems to be no more prospects

General Sobolev, foaming at the mouth, assures everyone - orders VO!, The work is immeasurable! But something gets in the way every time ...
Pensioners and pre-retirees are squeezed out of the factory, but young people are not coming. Probably, the phases of the moon interfere, but not the "talent" of the upper managers. Arriving at the plant, one of the first decrees ordered to demolish the smoking rooms in the shops and remove the flower beds from each shop, they say, WATER CONSUMPTION is high.

[2 Level Advisor]

He also did not cut schools and airfields? And did not reduce divisions into brigades? Oh well

[Wwk7260]

Who needs airfields without equipment, schools whose graduates have nowhere and nothing to serve on. Divisions were transferred to brigades in accordance with their actual number. You are probably satisfied with the current situation, when a bunch of divisions are created on paper, and the administrative apparatus for them is already with real money content, and there were no real combat units, Serdyukov did not reduce anything, he brought the army structures and structures of the Ministry of Defense into line ...

[Sergej1972]

Yes, they are not creating a bunch of divisions now, the brigades still prevail. Created in the ground forces only a few divisions, but normal.

[Wwk7260]

The divisional structure showed itself badly in the conflict 08 08 08, after the corresponding conclusions, a reform was carried out, "a bunch of divisions" is a turn of speech. But the MTR troops created with the direct participation of Serdyukov showed themselves in the best way in the Crimean campaign of 2014.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Wwk7260

Who needs airfields without equipment, schools whose graduates have nowhere and nothing to serve

Uh-huh ... our valiant air force only after 08.08.08 suddenly saw the light and discovered that the "paper" air regiments in fact could not lift more than a squadron into the air.
The nightmare of the TEC and the supplies - 22 GIAPs with five types of aircraft from two design bureaus - happened precisely after all the fighters and interceptors that could actually fly in the Far East were assembled into it.

[rruvim]

After all, everyone knows that when Rogozin began to deal with the contractors for the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, he first ran into the structures of the Ministry of Defense. Specifically, with Vasilyeva and Serdyukov ...

[rruvim]

For example: "Spetsstroy". Sucked from the finger of the MO organization ...

[RUnnm]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It is necessary to prove that the loan was taken specifically for THIS order,

The next consultation will already be paid I didn't even write the number of the article, but also the paragraph !!! Previously, the loan must be agreed with the customer !!!!! Therefore, I don’t understand who you are there and what you’re trying to prove, but you’re clearly putting the cart in front of the horse.

[_Ugene_]

if with a 2-stage engine, yes, hung with magic rofars on all sides, then yes, give more, but in the form as it is now, there will not be much difference from the Su-35

[rruvim]

The SU-57 is, unfortunately, only a platform so far. It is useless without stage 2 engines, because the phonite is like a Christmas tree. Need supersonic cruising speed!

[iouris]

In the USSR, defense enterprises or the Ministry of Defense never had debts.

[senima56]

"According to Serdyukov, the top priority is" the delivery of the Su-57 to the Russian Armed Forces. " "According to Serdyukov," optimization "will affect mainly the administration, management personnel, but will not affect personnel from the engineering and design staff."
Well, at least the words are correct! Su-57 first of all in our Army (tired of this "gum" with testing, fine-tuning and modernization!) And the administration in the UAC was long overdue! These 8-10% of "menagers" earn more than half of the workers at aircraft factories!

[sledak]

What? Serdyukov? 6 letters (first P) SU-57.

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Something that has been put in order for at least 10 years, they will not bring it in any way and it does not seem that they are going .. debts are swelling on loans that are taken on order, then they are extinguished at the expense of the budget in a circle .. And if you are Eugene in the subject, then you you know very well about this .. You are right about the delays in the treasury .. but why then the budget extinguishes the debts of enterprises? or is it normal in your opinion?

so how else to tyrit billions?) came Sechin cried gave 250 billion, showed where the budget of the country went, came a stool, cried, and so on and so on ... "an excellent scheme" and it seems that the matter is being done and there is a budget in the state, only he is for his own. the pandemic showed everything as it is! Here the people of the country have a donut hole.

[Yurahip]

How short human memory is, and yet a little more than ten years have passed.
Everyone only remembers Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, theirs Shura Mura in my father's apartment, well, maybe Slavyanka and the sale of Voentorg in Moscow.
However, apparently, few already remember that it was under Serdyukov that it became IMPOSSIBLE to fire an officer from the Armed Forces without providing an apartment or a housing certificate, it was under him that the huge construction of apartments for dismissed (laid off) officers began. It was under him that the middle officer level finally began to receive a decent salary! Yes, we can say that they sharply reduced military universities, carelessly implemented the legacy of the Soviet army, and sharply reduced the number of officers. But it seems to me that it was from him that the Russian army began to revive, and became what it is now. He became like Hercules, who cleared the Augean stables and ..... no need to throw poop at him for this.

[Klingon]

Quote: rruvim

And here Rogozin? There are managers and there are managers. Not the same at all. Rogozin's apparatus did not collapse. Not those that were produced before him, "touched", but those that were produced during it... Everything, that produced with it entered the calculated orbits. Not a single accident!

because Rogozin is balabol. Either NASA threatened with a trampoline, then renamed the Federation into Oryol (and things are still there), then built a lunar base (on paper) .Oh yes, I forgot! damn it! I built a rocket for sure .. really a stone one, well, to hell with it, it will definitely take off from a trampoline!
But seriously, Rogozin made himself a laughing stock and mentioning him does not cause anything but irritation

[Angelo Provolone]

According to Serdyukov, optimization (and this is what this person calls reductions) is planned at 8-10 percent. If you believe Serdyukov, this kind of "optimization" will mainly affect the administration, management personnel, but will not affect personnel from the engineering and design staff.

According to Serdyukov, today the UAC debt to banks has reached 530 billion rubles

The UAC staff is, for example, 100 top managers with an income of 100 million per year. Total: 100 * 100 = 10 billion / year.
For 50 years, the UAC will be in debt, at least.
Well done.
This is not life, but a holiday.

[tolmachiev51]

Hardy tovarisch Taburetkin !!! Into the cell, together with Rogozin.

[FRoman1984]

And Vasiliev is his deputy as well?
530 yards of debt, no censorship words. Obviously, you cannot give them away on your own in any case. No matter how much they sell. Only the participation of the Ministry of Finance.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: FRoman1984

And Vasiliev is his deputy as well?

It's enough that she works as his wife.

[good]

Well, as usual, 100-500 mega-experts gathered in everything
but they can do nothing except press the keys :)

Serdyukov is a good manager. I rebuilt the tax office quite well in due time. It became fashionable to put civilians in the Ministry of Defense and then they decided to try, which he thought about and promoted. Alas and ah, it turned out that this does not work there and everything is much more difficult than making the tax system work.

It's just that not everyone can do everything. MO is not for him, but in a still not debugged UAC, he is quite capable of setting up management, the main thing is that he does not climb into the engineering part.

And there will naturally be debts, everything is actually started from scratch and with a lot of forced replacements.

They also found a very suitable job for Kudrin, plowing for the good of the Motherland and not whining. And Kirilenko, too, at one time gave a direction with which he was able to cope.

And about corruption is generally not worth chewing.
How in the states people come up with and implement themes, we never even dreamed of anyone :) We try to copy from their schemes, and even then not everything works out. The scale is completely different.