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Consequences of the announced refusal of Belarus to transit cargo through the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda

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In Belarus, Lithuania was threatened with sanctions in response to the support of the Lithuanian authorities of the Belarusian opposition. Minsk is preparing to end trade through Lithuanian ports, but who will benefit and who will lose?


Lithuanian ports and Belarusian cargo traffic


President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko made threats against Lithuania on August 28, 2020. He stated that he had submitted to the government a proposal to reorient all trade flows from Lithuanian ports to other directions. According to the Belarusian president, 30% of Lithuania's budget is formed by Belarusian trade, so the blow to the economy of the neighboring state will be extremely significant.

The Prime Minister of Lithuania Saulius Skvernelis, in turn, said that Lukashenka does not like his people, since he is ready for such measures. According to Skvernelis, Belarus itself will suffer more from the restrictions than Lithuania, since Minsk has no opportunity to reorient cargo flows to the ports of Russia or Latvia. Lukashenka's words were greeted with a similar assessment by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Lithuania Linas Linkevičius. However, can you be so sure that Belarus will not really close the import and export of goods through Lithuania?

The Lithuanian port of Klaipeda plays a key role for the Belarusian cargo traffic. Firstly, the Klaipedos Nafta oil terminal is located here, which allows Belarusian oil products to be exported and receives oil purchased by Minsk from countries other than Russia. For example, in June and August 2020, tankers with oil from the United States arrived in Klaipeda.

Secondly, the terminal of mineral fertilizers Biri Krovini Terminalas in Klaipeda is also largely focused on the Belarusian cargo traffic. In 2019 alone, it handled 10 million tons of cargo, 98% of which were products of Belaruskali. Consequently, if Belarus stops the transit of mineral fertilizers through Klaipeda, the terminal will actually be left without loading, and its employees - without work and income. The volume of tax revenues to the Lithuanian budget will also decrease.

However, one should remember here the specifics of the policy of the modern Lithuanian state, as well as of Poland and other Baltic republics: in fact, their main mission is to be the conductors of American influence in Eastern Europe, so if Washington decides that Lithuania or Poland should support the Belarusian opposition, then Vilnius or Warsaw will implement it even to the detriment of their own interests. In the end, Poland had to forget about the atrocities of the Banderaites, when the USA and NATO needed to use Poland to help the ideological heirs of the Banderaites in modern Ukraine.

Who will lose more - Vilnius or Minsk


Lukashenka’s threats were accepted in Lithuania, in words, of course, quite calmly, since they believe that the Belarusian authorities will not be able to promptly redirect cargo flows through other countries. Now Minsk has a difficult relationship with Kiev and even with Moscow. Of course, the Russian ports would not be hurt by extra loading, but this will require additional efforts in the logistics area. Does Belarus have the resources and opportunities for this now?

In addition, Belarus itself benefits from the export of mineral fertilizers, oil products and other goods through Lithuanian ports. The closure of the Lithuanian route will harm Minsk itself, which will not be very good for Lukashenka, especially in the current situation.

But if we talk about the scale of losses that the countries can incur as a result of the termination of the transit of goods through Klaipeda, then Lithuania's position will ultimately turn out to be worse than the position of Belarus. For all that, the Belarusian state has the opportunity to act through Russia, which remains the main Belarusian partner, but Lithuania will simply have nothing to replace the cargo traffic from Belarus.

At one time, disagreements between Moscow and Minsk played into Lithuania's hands, but now Lukashenka will be forced to change his behavior towards Russia, and then the Lithuanian terminals may indeed face black times. All that remains is to count on new loans from the United States and the European Union, and if there are no such loans, the economic situation in Lithuania will in any case worsen.

As for our country, it will certainly be much more profitable for us if the flow of goods from Belarus and to Belarus goes through Russian ports. This will increase the revenues of the Russian budget from tax revenues, give additional load to Russian terminals and logistics infrastructure, and create new jobs.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 31 August 2020 13: 37
    +1
    Now they have mutual love!
    Well, "bike", broke, twisted, spread the multidirectionality .... now the legs are spreading, along the vectors!
    1. seti
      seti 31 August 2020 13: 46
      22
      Now we are waiting for the maximum rates of development of Ust Luga. We are waiting for new terminals for bulk cargo and oil products.
      Berths on the way:
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 31 August 2020 15: 39
        +9
        If only Old Man didn't turn on the back. It will become of him.
        1. Shedko
          Shedko 31 August 2020 23: 32
          +6
          So this is not the back, but it is simply not profitable to drive loads through the Russian Federation. Look at the map. But now politics can and will outweigh the economic component - through the Russian Federation - expensively. But on the other hand, sometimes it is better expensive than through those who wipe their feet on you. About 30% of cargo in Lithuania is Belarus.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 1 September 2020 13: 05
            +3
            Well, as I understand it, there is somewhere between 300-400 km ... it is unlikely that it will be possible to transfer to Kaliningrad, although it would be nice, but I think if they suddenly agree, then logistics can be built in 1 year
            1. krot
              krot 1 September 2020 13: 56
              +3
              It has long been time for the Balts to put everyone in their place!
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 1 September 2020 17: 15
                +3
                more precisely, a bad attitude should cost money
            2. Victorio
              Victorio 1 September 2020 21: 41
              +2
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              Well, as I understand it, there is somewhere between 300-400 km ... it is unlikely that it will be possible to transfer to Kaliningrad, although it would be nice, but I think if they suddenly agree, then logistics can be built in 1 year

              ===
              there is no terminal in kaliningrad, the precipitation is not the same. the main vessels for the Belarusian and Ural potassium chloride were bulk carriers with a carrying capacity of 60-70 thousand and a draft of 12 m. in Ventspils (then the main transfer point for fertilizers) was 12.5, they put ryazh at the berth, and then deepened to 15 m, then Klaipeda did the same, Yes, a new terminal for Belarusian potash was built.
    2. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 31 August 2020 13: 47
      +3
      Well, the Lithuanians are whining about the nuclear power plant. So it is logical to scare them a little.
      1. Nemo
        Nemo 31 August 2020 14: 21
        +5
        They will be intimidated and will continue to supply oil products and potash through Lithuanian ports. There are several reasons for this:
        1. The shortest way to the ports. From Soligorsk to Klaipeda, 672 km, and 1098 to Ust-Luga.
        2. The shipping cost arises from the first paragraph. A couple of years ago, it was already proposed to redirect the flow to Ust-Luga, but even with a discount on transportation on Russian Railways it was 50% cheaper to send it to Klaipeda.
        3. BPC (Belarusian Potash Company) owns bulk terminals in the Port of Klaipeda and has invested money in their modernization. (About $ 200 million was spent for the purchase and modernization). Also, Lithuanians can raise port dues for these terminals.
        1. Nemo
          Nemo 31 August 2020 14: 26
          +3
          Another addition on the oil industry. For several years now, we have been injected with government funds in Belarus that the profitability of the supply of all kinds of gasoline and diesel fuel to the EU is very small, incl. an increase in the path to the port can generally lick all the profits.
          1. Darkesstcat
            Darkesstcat 31 August 2020 14: 34
            0
            It may well be. Thanks for the knowledge.
          2. evgen1221
            evgen1221 31 August 2020 15: 30
            14
            Something tells me that yours, that our gossmies about oil and gas are so much misinterpreting to please the beneficiaries and this is not the population.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 5 September 2020 21: 46
              0
              Gee! The beneficiary is not the population, but the capitalist! As it will be more profitable, they will do so, otherwise the daddy "their" capitalists will devour.
        2. Brturin
          Brturin 31 August 2020 15: 19
          +2
          Quote: Nemo
          They will be intimidated and will continue to supply oil products and potash through Lithuanian ports.

          If the matter concerned basically Lithuania, the oil products could go to Latvia. The railway is not much longer, and the mothballed Polotsk - Ventspils can be used (of course, after the settlement of the issue of drained oil worth 67 million euros). Now this is no longer relevant ...
        3. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 August 2020 15: 21
          +4
          Quote: Nemo
          1. The shortest way to the ports. From Soligorsk to Klaipeda, 672 km, and 1098 to Ust-Luga.

          As far as I know, they are being driven by railroad transport, and Lithuania is sawing its track to fit the European standard.
          And in the near future 672 to Klaipeda will be further than 1098 to Ust-Luga. And cheaper.
          1. Brturin
            Brturin 31 August 2020 16: 54
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Lithuania is sawing its track according to the European standard. And in the near future 672 to Klaipeda will be further than 1098 to Ust-Luga. And cheaper.

            Only here Kaliningrad ... on Sakhalin they finally left the narrow gauge, but here then the opposite ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 31 August 2020 18: 24
              +1
              Quote: BrTurin
              Only here Kaliningrad ...

              On the contrary, they are even pleased that life may be complicated for Russia.
        4. Deck
          Deck 1 September 2020 08: 56
          +1
          Klaipeda is a non-freezing port, Ust-Luga is freezing. This is plus icebreaker assistance in winter. Plus a day of additional travel there and the same amount back. That's about $ 40. Plus additional fees - a dozen more levies in our ports.
          1. Cheerock
            Cheerock 1 September 2020 12: 17
            0
            Plus, Luga itself is at least 2 times more expensive for transshipment.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 1 September 2020 21: 53
              0
              Quote: CheeRock
              Plus, Luga itself is at least 2 times more expensive for transshipment.

              ===
              The cost of transshipment can be reduced by volumes, but the possibility is another matter, there is enough of our own cargo, costs. and in Klaipeda, the terminal is designed for proteinaceous, and the co-owners are Belarusians.
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 1 September 2020 13: 07
            +2
            following a similar logic, Russia could not build a port in UL because it is economically unprofitable. winked
        5. Cheerock
          Cheerock 1 September 2020 12: 16
          0
          Moreover, they do not care to go to Latvia via LG.
    3. Civil
      Civil 31 August 2020 13: 58
      10
      We know there are more families
      Where our screaming and scolding,
      Where they look with emotion
      On foreign stickers ...
      And fat ... Russian eat!

      As Mikhalkov wrote,
  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 31 August 2020 13: 42
    +5
    [Of course, Russian ports would benefit from extra loading, but this will require additional efforts in the logistics area. Does Belarus have the resources and opportunities for this now?]
    Belarus may not, but Russia does.
    And control of cargo flows, in particular, of oil products, will not be superfluous.
    And the logistics costs of redirecting cargo traffic will pay off in financial terms.
  3. IGU
    IGU 31 August 2020 13: 48
    +2
    It looks like a situation with a competition who will burn down a neighbor's hut before setting fire to his house.
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 31 August 2020 16: 00
      +5
      According to Felis, Belarus itself will suffer more from restrictions than Lithuania

      Here is a speaking surname ... Even the spell checker swears laughing
      1. IGU
        IGU 31 August 2020 16: 56
        0
        Yes, it hurts your ears. A translator from Lithuanian translates the surname as: Squares.
  4. Rostislav
    Rostislav 31 August 2020 13: 49
    14
    Belarus will not lose any losses from the redirection of cargo traffic to Ust-Luga, Putin has long offered this to Luka. And he was wandering, trying to sit on 2 chairs.
    The losses will come from the closure of the transit of goods from the EU through Belarus, and first of all "Belarusian" shrimps and apples from the gentry. It all depends on how Luke will fulfill the agreements reached with Russia. He understands that without the support of Russia, he could well fly off the throne.
    On the other hand, the service provided is not expensive, and he is used to evading. Hope Luka is smart enough to hold on to his word this time.
    And through Belarus, the GDP receives a powerful lever of pressure on the outskirts, tk. a significant share of oil products there comes from the Mozyr refinery
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 August 2020 13: 58
      +6
      Quote: Rostislav
      since a significant share of oil products there comes from the Mozyr refinery

      Russia even now supplies Ukraine with more oil products than Belarus. This is a fact that is not hidden by anyone. hi
  5. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 31 August 2020 13: 58
    -8
    There will be no reduction in traffic through Lithuania.
    1. mitrich
      mitrich 31 August 2020 23: 18
      +1
      And why are the uryakaly minus you? Write correctly. Of course, they will not reduce the transportation through Lithuania. It is simply not economically viable. Nemo painted everything correctly. And Luke will be afraid of all the eggs, and they are few, in one basket. Yes, and he has no gold reserves to show off. Everything is no limit.
      They love here, dreamily, to unravel their wet dreams. I would like it the same, but I understand that it is not real.
  6. RUnnm
    RUnnm 31 August 2020 14: 05
    15
    ... since Minsk has no possibilities to reorient cargo flows to the ports of Russia or Latvia.



    This is why such a conclusion then? There are ports, there are terminals, there are railways, there is a common border, but there is no opportunity !!!! Just zgaaaadkaaa!
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 31 August 2020 15: 41
      -7
      Quote: RUnnm
      ... since Minsk has no possibilities to reorient cargo flows to the ports of Russia or Latvia.



      This is why such a conclusion then? There are ports, there are terminals, there are railways, there is a common border, but there is no opportunity !!!! Just zgaaaadkaaa!


      There is such a thing as the cost of delivery.
      Have you ever wondered why watermelons in the fields of Sol-Iletsk or Astran / Volgograd regions cost 5 rubles, and in Noyabrsk - 50 rubles?

      When you think about it, look at the distances, transportation costs - then you will understand ...
      And when you learn to understand the realities of life, you won't talk about riddles ...
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 31 August 2020 15: 47
        13
        Before advising, first learn the materiel ..... about VAT refunds within the Customs Union did not hear anything, for an hour?
        And the second - in the original text - "there is no opportunity", not economically ineffective.
        So, don't talk nonsense. Reducing 20% ​​of the cost for Belarus is more than profitable. And all the games with the Baltic states at the dad were solely from "multi-vectoralism", and certainly not from the economy.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 31 August 2020 16: 27
          -8
          Quote: RUnnm
          Before advising, first learn the materiel ..... about VAT refunds within the Customs Union did not hear anything, for an hour?
          And the second - in the original text - "there is no opportunity", not economically ineffective.
          So, don't talk nonsense. Reducing 20% ​​of the cost for Belarus is more than profitable. And all the games with the Baltic states at the dad were solely from "multi-vectoralism", and certainly not from the economy.

          Come on, tell us how quickly our terminals will be able to start handling additional 10 million tons of fertilizers, in addition to the existing areas, existing equipment, personnel, cargo traffic?
          And there are also oil products, millions of tons, by the way.

          How will the railroad be rebuilt for such a more than considerable freight traffic?
          Well, there are personnel, load on the track, wear of the track, power of substations, etc.

          How quickly can all this happen?
          And for what money?

          And yes, I have a question.
          What VAT refund do you link to the manufacturer, if he is the same exporter?
      2. Rostislav
        Rostislav 31 August 2020 16: 57
        +8
        There is such a thing as "the owner ordered".
        Have you ever wondered why the Psheks and Balts proudly refuse cheap pipeline gas from Russia, preferring expensive LNG from penguins?
        When you think about it, then you will learn to understand the realities of life.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 31 August 2020 17: 24
          -8
          Quote: Rostislav
          There is such a thing as "the owner ordered".
          Have you ever wondered why the Psheks and Balts proudly refuse cheap pipeline gas from Russia, preferring expensive LNG from penguins?
          When you think about it, then you will learn to understand the realities of life.

          Stop talking nonsense about the high cost of LNG.
          Currently, LNG is sold at a price of USD 95-110 for the equivalent of 1000 cubic meters.
          And Gazprom's price is almost 160 US dollars, for the same 1000 cubic meters.

          And all European countries began to build LNG terminals several years ago, realizing that the LNG production market is growing sharply, and that prices will definitely decrease.

          And the nonsense that Gazprom originally carried into the fragile minds, it seems to be deeply in you, since you have never looked at what is happening around you.


          And even further ...
          Spot gas prices in Europe went beyond $ 60 / thous. cub. m as the supply of LNG to the market decreases
          0 comments
          June 16. FINMARKET.RU - With the beginning of the new week, spot prices for gas in Europe have added more than 10% to the level of the previous week, going beyond the $ 60 mark per thousand cubic meters.
          At the main European site, the Dutch TTF, gas for delivery on Tuesday costs $ 62,4 per thousand cubic meters, at the British NBP - $ 63,2. At the hub in the Austrian Baumgarten (the closest hub to Russia), the price for delivery on Tuesday recovered to $ 70,8 per thousand cubic meters.
          However, according to Interfax's estimates, Gazprom's profitable gas sales to Europe are at $ 100 per thousand cubic meters (taking into account production costs, MET, transportation costs and customs duties).
          1. Brturin
            Brturin 31 August 2020 18: 17
            +6
            Quote: SovAr238A
            However, according to Interfax estimates, the profitable level of gas sales to Europe for Gazprom is at $ 100

            And one of the cheapest LNG states is $ 124 per thousand cubic meters.
            “In recent months, Tellurian has optimized Driftwood LNG, which is one of the least expensive LNG projects in the world ($ 1 per tonne). At the same time, Driftwood LNG is an integrated project, which includes low-cost production of shale gas, which allows supporting LNG shipments to partners at $ 3,5 per mmBtu ($ 124 per thousand cubic meters), ”said Tellurian President Meg Gentle.
            https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/08/06/stala-izvestna-samaya-nizkaya-cena-po-kotoroy-ssha-otpuskayut-spg
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 31 August 2020 20: 39
              -1
              Already 2.6 dollars on the exchange per million BTU ... Which gives 95 dollars per 1000 cubic meters.
              Besides the USA, there is also Qatar ...
              By the way...
              Take a look at the exchange.
              Not articles ..
              1. Brturin
                Brturin 31 August 2020 21: 11
                +5
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Which gives $ 95 per 1000 cubic meters

                In the first ten days of August, Gazprom Export sold gas on an electronic trading platform at an average price of $ 72,5 per thousand cubic meters
                https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/08/17/gazprom-ispytyvaet-konkurentov-v-evrope-cenami
                Quote: SovAr238A
                In addition to the USA, there is also Qatar

                But how much from Qatar to the UAE and how much from Yamal ...
                NOVATEK carried out the first shipment of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the Yamal LNG project to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) ... On August 22, a LNG carrier arrived at the port and on August 26, 2020 unloaded according to schedule at Jebel Ali LNG terminal. .. https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/628200-novatek-postavil-pervuyu-partiyu-spg-v-oae/
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 31 August 2020 21: 28
                  0
                  Quote: BrTurin
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Which gives $ 95 per 1000 cubic meters

                  In the first ten days of August, Gazprom Export sold gas on an electronic trading platform at an average price of $ 72,5 per thousand cubic meters
                  https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/08/17/gazprom-ispytyvaet-konkurentov-v-evrope-cenami
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  In addition to the USA, there is also Qatar

                  But how much from Qatar to the UAE and how much from Yamal ...
                  NOVATEK carried out the first shipment of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the Yamal LNG project to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) ... On August 22, a LNG carrier arrived at the port and on August 26, 2020 unloaded according to schedule at Jebel Ali LNG terminal. .. https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/628200-novatek-postavil-pervuyu-partiyu-spg-v-oae/


                  According to Gazprom.

                  If the profitability of Gazprom is about $ 100, and it sells for $ 72, then it hurts me.
                  He must compensate his 30% of losses with subsidies from our state budget ...
                  And yours the same way.


                  For LNG supplies to the UAE.
                  Don't you think we just got fucked?
                  In business, this is a normal practice, to use it at zero or even drive to the minus those who could not get a direct contract. For various reasons.
                  Someone calls it subcontracting, someone like that else.
                  We have no direct contracts.
                  And the prey must be kept. And the condensation plant must work.
                  It cannot be stopped, or production reduced below a certain minimum.
                  And there is no sale.

                  So we are taking them where they say, suffering terrible losses.
                  Gas is ours, they are calmly overloaded and resold, and even remain with a profit.
                  But we will not be allowed to enter our market anyway.
                  And what is the point of working at such a loss?


                  And victorious reports, they are just news, no one will write about the real Underlying ...
                  Only six months later, if you want, you will learn about the losses of our gas workers in the tens of billions of dollars.
                  Which they are compensated from the country's budget.
                  Taking away from the construction of warships, tanks, aircraft.
                  The same memorable pensioners ..
                  1. Brturin
                    Brturin 31 August 2020 21: 56
                    +4
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Only six months later, if you want, you will learn about the losses of our gas workers in the tens of billions of dollars.

                    wait until the end of the year is a good idea, and even then you can compare
                    "In the summer of 2020, more than 70 LNG exports from the United States for June and July were canceled, more than 40 for August. For comparison, 74 shipments were sent from the United States in January 2020," - EIA.
                    ExxonMobil leaves Dow Jones Industrial Average
                    Unfortunately, Russia is heavily dependent on oil and gas and so far it will not get away from the vicissitudes of the market.
                    1. Brturin
                      Brturin 31 August 2020 22: 16
                      +4
                      I will add - if in the first quarter, according to International Financial Reporting Standards, Gazprom showed a loss, then in the first half of the year it came out with a profit of 1 billion rubles, not much, but in positive territory, so it is better to really wait until the end of the year ...
              2. Ren
                Ren 2 September 2020 05: 45
                +2
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Already 2.6 dollars on the exchange per million BTU ... Which gives 95 dollars per 1000 cubic meters.

                This is the price on the exchange.
                We add the cost here:
                Liquefaction, delivery, regasification and delivery to the final (wholesale) consumer.
                Gazprom has a price already with the cost of delivery to the final (wholesale consumer).
                Have you ever wondered why some European companies refused from LNG contracted on the exchange in April-June? On the spot market, pipe gas is the current market price, and the cost of the contracted gas from Gazprom with a 6-month lag.
                hi
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 August 2020 18: 59
            -1
            One morning you will wake up, turn on the news and be surprised to learn that LNG has risen in price to 200 bucks per 1000 cubic meters.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 31 August 2020 20: 42
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              One morning you will wake up, turn on the news and be surprised to learn that LNG has risen in price to 200 bucks per 1000 cubic meters.


              And what will pipeline gas do, with reference to the oil price, with a delayed price change of six months?

              On the other hand, LNG has a much smaller jump, since although it is also an energy resource, which is used on the stock exchange, it is played much less.
  7. Darkesstcat
    Darkesstcat 31 August 2020 14: 09
    +2
    Quote: Rostislav
    Losses will be caused by the closure of the transit of goods from the EU through Belarus and, first of all, "Belarusian" shrimps and apples from the gentry.

    For me, if this issue had to be closed, it would have been completely closed, but it seems that the authorities in the Russian Federation think otherwise.
  8. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 31 August 2020 14: 25
    +1
    The word is not a sparrow. However. where to transport oil products in tanks. In the Russian Federation, transshipment points for the shipment of petroleum products are Murmansk, Taganrog, Novorossiysk (fuel oil). Will it be too far away? Free capacity? Where to transport fertilizers? Ports of the Leningrad Region. Carry by rail. The road is 500 kilometers longer. At the same time, the road along the Vitebsk direction from St. Petersburg is not electrified.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 31 August 2020 15: 42
      +1
      Why would there be only fuel oil in Novorossiysk?
      From 45 to 60 million tons of oil passes through it ...
      You would look at the oil terminals of the Black Sea once
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 31 August 2020 16: 28
        +4
        Al. Belarus is not exporting oil, but oil products. But oil is not produced in Belarus. They get it from Russia and process it in Mozyr or Novopolotsk. And so oil is transshipped not only in Novorossiysk, but also in Taman, Tuapse - everyone knows that.
        1. begemot20091
          begemot20091 31 August 2020 21: 03
          -2
          Yes, stop talking nonsense. they will say luminescence and there will be luminescence - it is beneficial. It is profitable to eat something at the expense of Russia, but it is not profitable to ship it through its ports. Protesters in shackles and build additional capacities. Zazhralis - you wanted more satisfying? Welcome to Gaddafi's homeland. I listen to your experts on TV - I want to spit in the face. Yesterday at Solovyov's one was wagging his ass like a dad, explaining why Crimea was not recognized. I would like to bite everywhere, like bloomers. But only at the expense of Russia.
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Al. Belarus is not exporting oil, but oil products. But oil is not produced in Belarus. They get it from Russia and process it in Mozyr or Novopolotsk. And so oil is transshipped not only in Novorossiysk, but also in Taman, Tuapse - everyone knows that.
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 1 September 2020 00: 03
            -11 qualifying.
            begemot20091 listens to Solovyov's propaganda. You can even no longer read his posts. Zombie.
            1. begemot20091
              begemot20091 2 September 2020 13: 14
              +1
              how did you guess? I even go to elections and speak at rallies, and I see you idiots a mile away: where to hyip. Go work with your hands at least once, with your brains, if you have them.
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    2. Pereira
      Pereira 31 August 2020 15: 43
      -2
      Then there remains a second option - to move out to Rostov.
    3. RUnnm
      RUnnm 31 August 2020 15: 49
      +1
      How interesting are you, for example, you forgot the most convenient Ust-Luga in this scheme .... I wonder if it is "accidental", or from ignorance of the materiel?
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 31 August 2020 16: 36
        -1
        nnm. Ust-lug has no facilities for transshipment of oil products. Ust-Luga, as well as Primorsk and Vysotsk, only ships crude oil from the Baltic pipeline system. In Belarus, however, oil is not produced. There, Russian and, more recently, American and Azerbaijani oil are processed into petroleum products (Mozyr, Novopolotsk). So just the materiel ...
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 31 August 2020 17: 18
          +6
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Ust-lug has no facilities for transshipment of oil products

          Ust-Luga Oil - 30 million tons per year (18 million tons of dark oil products and 12 million tons of light oil products).
          Ust-Luga Oil terminal plans to increase its capacity for transshipment of light oil products (gasoline and naphtha) by 2-4 million tons per year, depending on the demand for transshipment of dark oil products https://portnews.ru/news/285063/
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 31 August 2020 18: 48
            +2
            There may be capacities, although as I read, the development concerns gas condensate in the gas chemical complex, the raw materials for which are provided by a pipe, but a railway is needed to transport oil products, the Baltic railway is not yet ready, and with the Vitebsk railway, in general, longing is a one-way road mostly and not electrified after Art. Oredezh.
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 31 August 2020 20: 47
              0
              All these conversations should turn into a practical plane (when Russia is ready to resolve issues that "hindered" to do this in previous times, but the Belarusian side must also make a decision that it does not come for one day, otherwise why invest in infrastructure) or it will be just words as in previous times ... Only this will not happen quickly ... It is necessary for the situation in Belarus to calm down, money loves silence. And so Russia has something else to withdraw from the Baltics ... Then they remember Belaruskali with a share in the terminal in Klaipeda, in Latvia Uralchem ​​is smaller ...
              The loading of the operating terminal of the company in St. Petersburg is approaching maximum (Uralchem ​​also has two terminals in Latvia) ... SIA Uralchem ​​Trading, which is part of the Uralchem ​​group and is a company specializing in the export supplies of products of the group's enterprises (mineral fertilizers and chemical products) ... SIA Uralchem ​​Trading transships bulk fertilizers in Riga through the Riga fertilizer terminal, the company owns 51% of the terminal, the Riga commercial port - 49%. The capacity of the first stage of the terminal is 2 million tons of bulk cargo per year. Uralchem ​​also owns a controlling stake in Ventamonjaks terminal in Ventspils - the largest terminal on the Baltic Sea for transshipment of liquid ammonia with a capacity of 1 million tons per year.
              https://lv.sputniknews.ru/Russia/20190527/11664489/Novyy-port-v-Kaliningrade-razrabatyvayut-s-uchetom-riskov-tranzita-cherez-Litvu.html
    4. Victor67
      Victor67 1 September 2020 14: 32
      -1
      I mean, not electrified? Two days ago I traveled from the Baltic station to Gatchina by train, and returned to St. Petersburg by train.
  9. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 31 August 2020 14: 33
    11
    Klaipeda forgot what Psaki said - Belarus has a sea and even the 6th US Fleet can be driven there.
    That's it, the naval blockade is canceled, you can disperse. lol
    1. ANB
      ANB 1 September 2020 10: 34
      +1
      In the USSR, Belarus had a sea. And it may appear again. If the Belarusians want to.
  10. AML
    AML 31 August 2020 14: 36
    +7
    Quote: g1washntwn
    Klaipeda forgot what Psaki said - Belarus has a sea and even the 6th US Fleet can be driven there.
    That's it, the naval blockade is canceled, you can disperse. lol

    Maybe Psaki is a seer? We talk about her as funny, but she is a continuous gyrus.
  11. anjey
    anjey 31 August 2020 14: 49
    +2
    As for our country, it will certainly be much more profitable for us if the flow of goods from Belarus and to Belarus goes through Russian ports. This will increase the revenues of the Russian budget from tax revenues, give additional load to Russian terminals and logistics infrastructure, and create new jobs.
    This is only in economic terms, but in geopolitical strategy, the benefits are incomparably greater ...
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 31 August 2020 17: 20
      0
      Quite right, such a game is worth the candle, even with all the attendant difficulties.
  12. iouris
    iouris 31 August 2020 17: 36
    +4
    In practice, this option means that Belarus breaks down in the countries-laying on the way of exporting raw materials from the Russian Federation. That is why the "Baltic tigers" have gone wild. Where can they eat?
  13. RUnnm
    RUnnm 31 August 2020 17: 49
    +2
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Come on, tell us how quickly our terminals will be able to start handling additional 10 million tons of fertilizers, in addition to the existing areas, existing equipment, personnel, cargo traffic?
    And there are also oil products, millions of tons, by the way.

    No problem:
    1. The throughput capacity of the Ust Luga port is 191 million tons.
    2019 - 104 million tons handled
    2. For Klaipeda, in March 2020, the RECORD was a total transshipment volume of 4,5 million tons (not only in Belarus)
    Still have questions? Ust Luga will swallow and not even choke on the entire volume of Klaipeda!

    How will the railroad be rebuilt for such a more than considerable freight traffic?
    Well, there are personnel, load on the track, wear of the track, power of substations, etc.

    No problem at all! The canvas is renewed, the park has been redundant for a long time + this is also the Belarusian park. Russian Railways will only be delighted.

    What VAT refund do you link to the manufacturer, if he is the same exporter?
    The last participant, the EXPORTER is refunded ...
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 31 August 2020 21: 03
      +1
      Quote: RUnnm
      The last participant, the EXPORTER is refunded ...

      I didn't just ask a question about a manufacturer and an exporter rolled into one ...
      In this case, the VAT rate declared by the manufacturer and exporter is 0%.
      Accordingly, the VAT of the exporter and the manufacturer is not refundable in one person.
      And you are just google-men ...
      Knowing nothing, but writing complete nonsense with aplomb ...
      More to come
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 31 August 2020 21: 16
      +2
      Quote: RUnnm

      How will the railroad be rebuilt for such a more than considerable freight traffic?
      Well, there are personnel, load on the track, wear of the track, power of substations, etc.

      No problem at all! The canvas is renewed, the park has been redundant for a long time + this is also the Belarusian park. Russian Railways will only be delighted.

      About the railroad, you have extremely zero knowledge.
      Did you know that a freight car in the European part of Russia cannot travel more than 250 km per day?
      This is our railway logistics.
      All these junction stations, train schedules, etc.
      Did you know that a freight train from Samara to Moscow takes about 7-8 days?
      It is 1100 km.
      The same 5-7 days the train goes from Samara to Naberezhnye Chelny, which is 500 kilometers from Samara.
      And it goes to Novosibirsk for 11-13 days ...


      And why do all the projects for the transfer of Chinese goods along our railway end up in no time?

      Yes, because the prices are several times more expensive, and the arrival time of the container is actually longer than on the container ship.
      Just because of the specifics of the railway.

      And in order to increase the throughput and speed of delivery of freight cars, we need to completely completely rebuild our entire railway.
      Tens of trillions of rubles in expenses.

      And everything is easy with you, they threw the cap, said the project approvals, and understanding - zero point fucking tenths ..
  14. Husit
    Husit 31 August 2020 18: 19
    0
    Something I have a feeling that everything will remain like "shrimp from Belarus", etc.
    1. Asad
      Asad 1 September 2020 07: 46
      +2
      I support, everything will continue as before.
  15. Sibguest
    Sibguest 31 August 2020 18: 27
    -2
    "He (Lukashenko) said that he had submitted to the government a proposal to reorient all trade flows from Lithuanian ports to other directions."
    This weather vane, which has become crazy about the authorities, has remained true to itself here: it does not speak to the whole world, what does it mean by "other directions": the Ivory Coast, Burkina Faso, or ports on Mars?
    What he considers to be politics in his performance looks like a pathetic small-town cunning of the collective farm chairman.
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 1 September 2020 15: 13
    -1
    Quote: Sibguest
    What he considers to be politics in his performance looks like a pathetic small-town cunning of the collective farm chairman.

    Better a collective farm chairman than an EU Gauleiter.
  17. agoran
    agoran 1 September 2020 19: 09
    +1
    Maybe a little off topic, but about the ports of trebaltics.
    Days chased to the village, near the Oktyabrskaya railway. There used to be a Moscow Tallinn train. (now the train goes Moscow-Peter-Narva-Tallinn.)
    So, before the trains went one after another, now there is nothing at all.
    We sat at the evening dawn and at the morning dawn, not a single train passed.
    I will not say about the night, after the bath I slept well.
  18. xomaNN
    xomaNN 1 September 2020 22: 00
    +1
    But father L twisted his tail and made friends with Ukraine instead of the Russian Federation ... And then uk..r. new friends and elections and he is not recognized. And in general they do dirty tricks on the Belarusian state. And the Balts are completely in opposition. So he will not remember about the economy, but what is it that the Balts have to do. And yet they will not be counted in the budgets of tens and hundreds of millions. Belarus will also be at a loss. BUT expects that the Russian Federation will cover its debts and will continue to pull in tow drinks
  19. Mikhail Ya2
    Mikhail Ya2 2 September 2020 09: 30
    +1
    How will this work? If I am a buyer of fertilizers, I buy them under EXW conditions, then all the logistics are on me, and I decide how I can take out my products faster and more profitably after payment.
    And if the conditions are FOB, and the price is higher than it was earlier through Klaipeda, then I will not agree and will find another seller.
    The global economy doesn't always work as ordered by politicians
  20. nnz226
    nnz226 2 September 2020 11: 03
    +1
    Yes, Lukashenka, with his "multi-vector" nature, will again begin to wriggle out, Klaipeda is the closest port to Belarus, the transport shoulder is minimal ... And to Latvia or Russia to drive trains 2-3 times further ...
  21. IC
    IC 2 September 2020 12: 25
    0
    According to the principle - in spite of the conductor, I will frostbite my ears or respond by bombing my economy.
  22. nnz226
    nnz226 2 September 2020 19: 21
    +1
    "Promising does not mean getting married!" Judging by Lukashenka's previous statements, he will turn around like in a frying pan! And it is not known whether he will refuse from the Lithuanian transit ...
  23. prior
    prior 3 September 2020 10: 59
    +1
    Interfering in the internal affairs of Belarus, Lithuania shits on the neighbor's rug, and believes that this is love for the Belarusian people? Strange, let's face it, love.
    Even if the Belarusians lose economically from refusing to transit through Lithuanian ports, this is in any case the correct answer to the political meanness.
  24. Aeshken
    Aeshken 5 September 2020 18: 40
    0
    I am from Kaliningrad, I studied in parallel with logisticians - now our region is not ready for a jump in throughput. Everything can be solved but "grandmothers" are needed and not small and at once, and not to stretch the infusion for years. Does Belarus have money, is that a question? Should we dump our resources at this moment - But father is still a weather vane! The post-election nix will subside - the AHL hassle and change your mind. My opinion is that it is worth it, not everything is measured by money, and Tribalts generally need to be pinched for any reason, tk. they have mattress pads now (and almost always) one purpose of existence - to spoil Russia!
  25. nnz226
    nnz226 5 September 2020 21: 47
    0
    Speak your tongue, don't dig a ditch! Our daddy's multi-vector rinsed his tongue in the wind, and then he will "forget" his threats!
  26. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 6 September 2020 11: 10
    0
    Nobody will lose anything! Another deception of a mustache druhga. Will continue to lie further.
  27. zenion
    zenion 6 September 2020 15: 03
    0
    In the same way, Ukraine said - where will Russia go without our railway? And Russia is gone. How much does it cost to build several tens of kilometers of new railways? The Baltic people scare everyone, then it turns out that it would be better to be silent.
  28. megavolt823
    megavolt823 7 September 2020 12: 32
    +1
    If someone thinks that the abandonment of the Baltic ports will lead, well, to some change in the policy of the Baltic countries. He very much does not understand what is happening there. There is no opposition, and no one is allowed to open their mouths loudly. Not prohibited, not allowed. They have invented a lot of criminal articles for the denial of many events. The inconvenient ones are expelled there much faster than the dissidents from the USSR. There, the party line is paid for, and you will suffer very quickly for changes or an attempt to express them.