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Corvette "Pavel Derzhavin" conducted the first shooting in the framework of state tests

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Corvette "Pavel Derzhavin" conducted the first shooting in the framework of state tests

The third patrol ship of Project 22160 "Pavel Derzhavin" performed the first firing during state tests on the Black Sea. The press service of the Black Sea fleet.


The crew of the newest Project 22160 patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin", built for the Black Sea Fleet, conducted the first artillery firing in the Black Sea. The event was held at the maritime combat training range as part of the state tests of the ship

- said in a statement.

As part of the state tests, the crew conducted test firing from the AK-176 artillery mount, large-caliber naval machine guns and DP-65 anti-sabotage grenade launcher systems. In addition, the work of the PK-10 close range jamming complex was tested.

Let us remind you that for the first time the Pavel Derzhavin set sail for sea trials on 23 July. State and factory tests of the ship are taking place in the military harbor of the Novorossiysk naval base and at sea ranges in the Black Sea.

Patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" is the third ship of Project 22160 and the second serial ship in a series of five units. The construction contract was signed in 2014, the entire series is intended for the Black Sea Fleet. The ship will join the formation of ships guarding the water area of ​​the Novorossiysk naval base of the Black Sea Fleet. The transfer of the ship to the fleet is planned by the end of 2020.

This corvette is the first to be built at the Kerch Shipyard "Zaliv". Laid down on February 18, 2016, launched on February 21, 2019.

The lead ship and the first serial “Vasily Bykov” and “Dmitry Rogachev” are already serving in the Black Sea Fleet.

Recall that the construction of the entire series of these ships was delayed due to the import substitution of the power plant. All ships of the series, except for the head Vasily Bykov, on which the German MAN diesel gear units are installed, receive diesel gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 August 2020 12: 44 New
    +6
    Good! good The third is not superfluous, you can add more! Seven feet under the keel!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 31 August 2020 13: 23 New
      +7
      get diesel-gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.
      That's what's most important! good
      1. Hog
        Hog 31 August 2020 13: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        get diesel-gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.
        That's what's most important! good

        And due to this they have a speed lower than the design one by several knots.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 31 August 2020 13: 47 New
          10
          Loss of speed is of course a minus. And the loss of progress due to the breakdown of the main (Chinese), this has already been observed ...
          1. Temples
            Temples 31 August 2020 14: 09 New
            +5
            A strange ship.
            Slow-moving.
            Without normal weapons.

            Of the pros, only the appearance.

            Why the heck was it created and built?

            For fish without fish and cancer?
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 31 August 2020 14: 18 New
              -2
              Quote: Temples
              Why the heck was it created and built?

              This question should be asked to the general director of the shipbuilding corporation "Ak Bars"
              Mistakhov. With whom he agreed.
              [/ Center]
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 22 New
                +6
                Quote: Bashkirkhan
                This question should be asked to the general director of the shipbuilding corporation "Ak Bars"

                Mistakhov has nothing to do with it
                the main thing in the "brothel", which resulted in 22160 was Vitek Chirkov
      2. VIP
        VIP 31 August 2020 14: 25 New
        0
        We have nothing except Kolomintsev
      3. Husit
        Husit 31 August 2020 15: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        get diesel-gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.
        That's what's most important! good

        Exactly !!! Their engines, albeit not the best, but I think they will bring to mind
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      sympathetic REALITY:
      https://topwar.ru/174150-moduli-patrulniki-ne-spasut.html
    3. Sofa
      Sofa 1 September 2020 15: 47 New
      0
      A suitcase without a handle, 20380 is much more teeth than it, and there is even nothing to talk about 20385, this series has neither air defense nor strike weapons or protection from submarines, one art installation and a portable needle, it seems like containers can be put with calibers, but while they are not visible it would be better riveted more than 20380 and 20385
  2. mintai_kot
    mintai_kot 31 August 2020 12: 56 New
    +3
    Protection of the water area, abbreviated as OVR in the slang of sailors, a squad of cheerful guys! The fleet is being updated and that's great! To evil "partners"!
    1. Eskobar
      Eskobar 31 August 2020 13: 07 New
      +3
      Yes, "partners" will only be happy that we produce such troughs for that kind of money. They only scare Somali pirates on motor boats
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 August 2020 13: 18 New
        +8
        Quote: Eskobar
        They only scare Somali pirates on motor boats

        And then not with any excitement ...
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: mintai_kot
      Protection of the water area, abbreviated as OVR in the slang of sailors, a squad of cheerful guys! The fleet is being updated and that's great!

      this is bad
      because instead of full-fledged OVR corvettes, the fleet was swallowed by low-combat KORYTA
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 31 August 2020 14: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: mintai_kot
      Protection of the water area, abbreviated as OVR in the slang of sailors, a squad of cheerful guys! The fleet is being updated and that's great! To evil "partners"!

      How to protect something? GAS on 22160 - only anti-sabotage. From the armament of the PLO - one helicopter, and nothing else. There is no air defense (that is, even an accidentally missed anti-ship missile system is guaranteed to have nothing to complete).
      This is not an OVR. This is a flag display ship. Or rather, the PSKR of the FSB, imposed by the will of certain individuals by the Navy.
      1. good
        good 31 August 2020 21: 20 New
        +3
        He has no mission to fight. They were conceived as specialized anti-piracy and anti-sabotage, so as not to distract ships for these tasks.
        And taking into account the actions of Ukraine in the Azov and Black Seas, it will be very much in demand on the Black Sea and this can always be overtaken anywhere. To the base in Tartus, for example. It's not the border guards to work there.

        On the next three, they may already have a station for searching for submarines, and you can always put a container with other weapons if necessary.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 1 September 2020 15: 45 New
          0
          They are not suitable as anti-piracy
    4. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 1 September 2020 15: 44 New
      0
      This is not an update, this is a profanation, throwing money down the drain
  3. Eldorado
    Eldorado 31 August 2020 12: 57 New
    +5
    Seven feet under the keel,! good
  4. rich
    rich 31 August 2020 13: 00 New
    +8
    The corvette is named after the captain of the 1st rank of the USSR Navy, a participant in the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union (1944) Pavel Ivanovich Derzhavin since 1940, the commander of the 1st division of the 1st Black Sea detachment of border ships, who distinguished himself during the Kerch landing operation in October 1943

    By the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 27, 1984, Captain 1st Rank P.I. Derzhavin for military valor during the Great Patriotic War and services in protecting the State Border of the USSR, he was awarded the Order of the October Revolution. An extremely rare award from border guards.
  5. Hog
    Hog 31 August 2020 13: 02 New
    +3
    Not the case when you need to rejoice, the "new thing" is just for the sake of appearance, does not represent value for the fleet in its current form.
    Against his background, 20386 was not so useless.
    1. Hog
      Hog 31 August 2020 13: 06 New
      +4
      Minusers can minus as much as you like from this this vessel will not become a normal ship.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 31 August 2020 13: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Hog
        Minusers can minus as much as you like from this this vessel will not become a normal ship.

        I didn't minus. You should see the patrol ships of the world. The British and other countries also have them. These are ships of peacetime. Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive the pirates - that's their task, so as not to waste the valuable resource of warships.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 August 2020 13: 20 New
          +7
          Quote: Marconi41
          Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive pirates - this is their task

          With which patrolmen 22160 cope extremely poorly, due to low speed, susceptibility to rolling, which limits the use of a helicopter and the inability to use launch boats with minimal excitement
          1. Marconi41
            Marconi41 31 August 2020 13: 24 New
            +5
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Quote: Marconi41
            Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive pirates - this is their task

            With which patrolmen 22160 cope extremely poorly, due to low speed, susceptibility to rolling, which limits the use of a helicopter and the inability to use launch boats with minimal excitement

            Eh, you should have seen how the IPC sways on the waves. In a big roll and the enemy is not sweet. The rest of the TTD of our patrolman is quite comparable with foreign counterparts.
            By the way, border guards on a similar 22100 drive the fishermen once or twice and they have a helicopter on board not for beauty.
            1. Hog
              Hog 31 August 2020 13: 37 New
              +1
              By the way, border guards on a similar 22100 drive the fishermen once or twice and they have a helicopter on board not for beauty.

              It is 1000 tons larger and much more stable, so on its basis it was necessary to create a patrolman for the fleet (although what does the fleet have to do with it).
              1. Marconi41
                Marconi41 31 August 2020 13: 41 New
                -2
                Quote: Hog
                It is 1000 tons larger and much more stable, so on its basis it was necessary to create a patrolman

                Not without this, but for the Black and Baltic seas, this is perhaps redundant.
                1. Hog
                  Hog 31 August 2020 13: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Marconi41
                  Quote: Hog
                  It is 1000 tons larger and much more stable, so on its basis it was necessary to create a patrolman

                  Not without this, but for the Black and Baltic seas, this is perhaps redundant.

                  So the bottom line is that 22160 was supposed to be used for anti-pirate missions and for this 3000 tons is not so much.
                  1. Marconi41
                    Marconi41 31 August 2020 14: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Hog
                    So the bottom line is that 22160 was supposed to be used for anti-pirate missions and for this 3000 tons is not so much.

                    At one time, 1124 went on long campaigns and performed combat missions there. The displacement is comparable.
                    1. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 39 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Marconi41
                      At one time, 1124 went on long campaigns and performed combat missions there. The displacement is comparable.

                      fool
                      Monsieur, before you whip nonsense, read at least something on the issue!
                      The displacement of 1124 is even less.
                      But the LOOPs are CORRECT.
                      Not "innovative" like 22160
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 21: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: Hog
                (although what does the fleet have to do with it).


                Do you believe this is the first time? Won in the 30s for the NKVD marine border guard, the future Defense Ministry was developed and began to be built in series, then Isakov saw the boat and said, citizens, and we have a blockage with the OVR as usual. As a result, the boat began to be built for the Navy. As a result, the border guards provided decisive assistance to the RKKF by joining its structure for mobilization, thereby becoming the most important tool for coastal struggle ...
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 August 2020 13: 41 New
              +4
              Quote: Marconi41
              Eh, you should have seen how the IPC sways on the waves.

              IPC does not have a helicopter, and boats are not lowered from it
              Quote: Marconi41
              The rest of the TTD of our patrolman is quite comparable with foreign analogues.

              Not comparable. Speed ​​22 knots and significant restrictions on the use of helicopter / boats
              Quote: Marconi41
              By the way, border guards on a similar 22100

              Project 22100 is a completely different project, where the standard displacement is 1,8 times greater.
              1. Marconi41
                Marconi41 31 August 2020 13: 47 New
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Not comparable. Speed ​​22 knots and significant restrictions on the use of helicopter / boats

                Well, not 22, but still 25 knots. And I hope you don’t think that all ships are in full swing? Most ships have a cruising speed of only 17 knots.
                And then - This is not a combat, but a patrol ship.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 August 2020 14: 03 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Marconi41
                  Well, not 22, but still 25 knots.

                  This is in theory, but in practice, according to M. Klimov's data, the head showed only 22 knots.

                  Quote: Marconi41
                  And I hope you don’t think that all ships are in full swing? Most ships have a cruising speed of only 17 knots.
                  And then - This is not a combat, but a patrol ship.

                  It is precisely for a patrol ship that full speed is an extremely important and essential characteristic, since on it, in which case, you have to catch up with the intruder. And who are the violators? Well, the Japanese at one time used high-speed ships capable of developing 30 knots. and more (according to one Marine officer who went to detain them). They violated our economic space, arranged fishing for something there, saw a patrolman and - a pedal to the floor. Somalia pirates went on motorboats capable of developing up to 25 knots.
                  1. Marconi41
                    Marconi41 31 August 2020 14: 09 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    This is in theory, but in practice, according to M. Klimov's data, the head showed only 22 knots.

                    This name does not inspire confidence in the information from him.
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    The Somalia pirates used motorboats capable of developing up to 25 knots.

                    In the helicopter race, they will lose.
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Well, the Japanese used to use fast ships capable of developing 30 knots.

                    Border guards are fighting poachers here, this is their headache.
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 August 2020 14: 19 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Marconi41
                      This name does not inspire confidence in the information from him.

                      Nevertheless, on a number of issues, I have not seen refutation of his statements.
                      Quote: Marconi41
                      In the helicopter race, they will lose.

                      And in order to raise a helicopter, you need to lift it into the air, which is not always possible from a trough with a standard displacement of 1500 tons in the absence of roll stabilizers
                      Quote: Marconi41
                      Border guards are fighting poachers here, this is their headache.

                      :)))) And with whom will this "OVR ship" fight? He cannot fight warships due to complete disarmament, he cannot fight poachers because of speed ...
                      1. Marconi41
                        Marconi41 31 August 2020 14: 23 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And in order to raise a helicopter, you need to lift it into the air, which is not always possible from a trough with a standard displacement of 1500 tons in the absence of roll stabilizers

                        Well, pirate boats probably have great seaworthiness ?!
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And with whom will this "OVR ship" fight then?

                        I already wrote about this above, I do not want to repeat myself.
                      2. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 37 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Marconi41
                        Well, pirate boats probably have great seaworthiness ?!

                        some yes
                        it is quite fashionable to "fly" on the same 4 points on a boat
                        but this is COVERED - and it will not develop 20-21 nodes, nor will it lower boats, nor will it lift a helicopter (without the risk of losing it)
                  2. Fizik M
                    Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 29 New
                    0
                    Quote: Marconi41
                    This name does not inspire confidence in the information from him.

                    bunny, your jumps on the trampoline clearly say that would be stupid yap, no one can call you
                    and at 22 knots this is already OFFICIAL information
              2. Fizik M
                Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 27 New
                +2
                Quote: Marconi41
                Well, not 22, but still 25 knots

                fool
                exactly 22
                about *** r full with the speed of project 22160
              3. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 23: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Marconi41
                and still 25 knots.


                Well, where's 25? There it is enough to look at the aft dock camera, and then at the bow end to understand that this ship was designed by absolutely enchanting uh guys ...
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Marconi41
            Eh, you should have seen how the IPC sways on the waves. In a big roll and the enemy is not sweet.

            not only watched
            TL pumps even more
            however, the question is in SEAFORNESS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS
            at IPC pr.1124 - all norms, in accordance with the TTZ
            unlike KORITA 22160
            Quote: Marconi41
            By the way, border guards on a similar 22100

            fool
            ARE YOU quite cuckoo?
            Unlike KORYT 22100, they ordered and made with DIRECT HANDS (and the bright head of Lekis B.A.)
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 31 August 2020 14: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: Fizik M
              ARE YOU quite cuckoo?

              Rude sir. The conversation with you is over.
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Marconi41
                The conversation is over with you

                taking into account what kind of ACHINA wassat You carried lol и conversation there was none
                YOU, so, slightly smothered - into YOUR nonsense laughing
        2. Foxnova
          Foxnova 31 August 2020 16: 59 New
          0
          I confirm I went to the first two orders. Only brawlers are worse than them
      2. Victorio
        Victorio 31 August 2020 13: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Marconi41
        Quote: Hog
        Minusers can minus as much as you like from this this vessel will not become a normal ship.

        I didn't minus. You should see the patrol ships of the world. The British and other countries also have them. These are ships of peacetime. Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive the pirates - that's their task, so as not to waste the valuable resource of warships.

        ===
        well, yes, right there on in there is something new from the Norwegians https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 31 August 2020 13: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Victorio
          well, yes, right there on in there is something new from the Norwegians https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html

          This ship is a border ship to guard the EEZ. Our similar is just 22100 from the FSB.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 31 August 2020 13: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Marconi41
            Quote: Victorio
            well, yes, right there on in there is something new from the Norwegians https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html

            This ship is a border ship to guard the EEZ. Our similar is just 22100 from the FSB.

            ===
            presented as a patrol
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 31 August 2020 13: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Victorio
              presented as a patrol

              So it is, but since there is an electronic movement, it means ice class, and in everything it is comparable to our 22100
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: Marconi41
                but if there is an electronic movement, it means ice class,

                lol
                this is the PHRASE OF THE DAY!
                pyasha ISSTCHO! I promise not to laugh loudly and not to kick it hurts! laughing

                By the way, where are YOU "officers" - in a cavalry squadron? lol
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Marconi41
            This

            tell, YOU are here so "spawn" because YOU are "greased"? lol
      3. Fizik M
        Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Marconi41
        You should see the patrol ships of the world. The British and other countries also have them. These are ships of peacetime. Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive pirates - that's their task, so as not to waste the valuable resource of warships.

        Yes, it's worth seeing
        For against their background 22160 is frankly ... th patrolman.
        First of all, for seaworthiness when solving problems
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 1 September 2020 15: 45 New
      0
      I plus two times laughing
  • Eskobar
    Eskobar 31 August 2020 13: 05 New
    -5
    And where are the vaunted calibers?
    1. Hog
      Hog 31 August 2020 13: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Eskobar
      And where are the vaunted calibers?

      On other ships, on "this", they can theoretically be installed in container design, but there will not be 99,9% of them.
  • Hog
    Hog 31 August 2020 13: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Marconi41

    You should see the patrol ships of the world.

    Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 31 August 2020 13: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: Hog
      Quote: Marconi41

      You should see the patrol ships of the world.

      Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.

      I do not feel sick. And the fact that most of these experts think in terms of the Soviet era is also not surprising in this menu.
      1. Hog
        Hog 31 August 2020 13: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Marconi41

        I do not feel sick. And the fact that most of these experts think in terms of the Soviet era is also not surprising in this menu.

        So there was no question about you.
        This was said about those who came up with the TTZ for this ship.
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Marconi41
        most of these experts think in terms of

        YOUR categories are "Murzilka" and ducks in the bathroom lol
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 31 August 2020 14: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Fizik M
          Quote: Marconi41
          most of these experts think in terms of

          YOUR categories are "Murzilka" and ducks in the bathroom lol

          I am the same officer as you were, Comrade Klimov. Only now he did not become a boor, like some.
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Marconi41
            I am the same officer

            YOU are not an "officer", but a bazaar "aunt Frosya"
            Judging by the flow of nonsense wassat which YOU are carrying, in the Armed Forces YOU were what they were talking about - "the mouth closed - the materiel in the original" lol
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 31 August 2020 13: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: Hog
      Quote: Marconi41

      You should see the patrol ships of the world.

      Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.

      ===
      Well, why is this Norwegian better https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html?
      perhaps, the conditions of service and the level of salary.
      1. Hog
        Hog 31 August 2020 14: 28 New
        -1
        so what is this Norwegian better

        Yes, at least with a slip, look at how the boat comes in at them and how it is done here at 22160.
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 31 August 2020 14: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Victorio
        so what is this Norwegian better

        REAL SEAFORNESS IN SOLVING TASKS
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 31 August 2020 14: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: Fizik M
          Quote: Victorio
          so what is this Norwegian better

          REAL SEAFORNESS IN SOLVING TASKS

          ===
          Specifically, have you seen / read reviews or comparisons of participants? but on the whole, perhaps, nevertheless, they made the newways for the northern latitudes.
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Victorio
            specifically, reviews or comparisons of participants

            Yes
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 31 August 2020 15: 23 New
              -1
              Quote: Fizik M
              Quote: Victorio
              and more specifically, member reviews or comparisons

              Yes

              ===
              here and there? or so, since we are bad, then they should be good?
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 26 New
                +4
                Quote: Victorio
                since we are bad, then should they be good?

                it's not about "we are bad and they are good"
                22100 with seaworthiness everything is fine
                but the fact that 22160 did Innovative "constructors" with crooked hands (and not only hands)
                1. Victorio
                  Victorio 31 August 2020 15: 29 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Fizik M
                  Quote: Victorio
                  since we are bad, then should they be good?

                  it's not about "we are bad and they are good"
                  22100 with seaworthiness everything is fine
                  but the fact that 22160 did Innovative "constructors" with crooked hands (and not only hands)

                  ===
                  those. you seaworthiness, in this case, measure the attitude to the designers? I meant something else
                  1. Fizik M
                    Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 32 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Victorio
                    seaworthiness, in this case, measure the attitude to the designers?

                    what does the attitude have to do with it?
                    shitty seaworthiness 22160 when solving problems - a direct consequence of the shitty work of his "constructors"
                    1. Victorio
                      Victorio 31 August 2020 15: 36 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Fizik M
                      Quote: Victorio
                      seaworthiness, in this case, measure the attitude to the designers?

                      what does the attitude have to do with it?
                      shitty seaworthiness 22160 when solving problems - a direct consequence of the shitty work of his "constructors"

                      ===
                      okay, you know something about 22160, let's look. how do you know that the Norwegian is better seaworthy? Norwegian thoroughness and practicality, common practice, hull lines, blueprints, sailors' reports, etc.!?
                      1. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 31 August 2020 15: 51 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Victorio
                        that the Norwegian has better seaworthiness?

                        better than WHAT?
                        22160 - unequivocally (stupid due to the wretchedness of 22160 and a smaller displacement)
                        but 22100 is quite at the level

                        and as for the seaworthiness of western patrolmen (when solving problems!), very interesting and detailed articles were published on this topic "across the river", something I posted in "courage"
                      2. Victorio
                        Victorio 31 August 2020 22: 36 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: Victorio
                        that the Norwegian has better seaworthiness?

                        better than WHAT?
                        22160 - unequivocally (stupid due to the wretchedness of 22160 and a smaller displacement)
                        but 22100 is quite at the level

                        as for the seaworthiness of western patrolmen (when solving problems!), very interesting and detailed articles were published on this topic "across the river", something I laid out in "courage"

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                        and then it will not be possible to provide. okay. I am only, and in the past, an operator, but I still remember that seaworthiness is a complex of qualities, and besides the displacement there is a lot more, including the power of the engines (the Norwegians have less, with a larger displacement), stability, unsinkability and so on.
                      3. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 1 September 2020 15: 48 New
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                        The Norwegian has better outlines, it does not need so much power, the stability of 22160 is acceptable, but there are problems with combat survivability and very serious ones, specifically from one 76-mm projectile, you can completely lose progress.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 31 August 2020 13: 43 New
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    Only 3 years passed from the moment of laying to launch! Amazing speed for Russian military shipbuilding! And before being put into service, it will probably take only five or two years ...
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 15: 15 New
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      Look, for fun, how the border fleet is built. PSKR pr. 22460 at European shipyards was built on average at a speed of 1.5 to 2 years. In the Far East, about six months more.
      In fact, the PSKR is only slightly simpler than the Patrol Ship. And such a series of ships in the post-Soviet era has not yet been built in Russia. A total of 13 ships entered service. 14th on trial. The naval boat Grachonok, built in the amount of 15 units, is four times less in / and ...
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 31 August 2020 16: 05 New
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        Cyril G ... (Cyril), and I don't mind ... After all, if we compare with what it was in shipbuilding yesterday, when the ships were built for 15-16 years, then there is significant progress.
  • VIP
    VIP 31 August 2020 14: 39 New
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    Quote: Marconi41
    Quote: Hog
    Quote: Marconi41

    You should see the patrol ships of the world.

    Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.

    I do not feel sick. And the fact that most of these experts think in terms of the Soviet era is also not surprising in this menu.

    We all went out from there. Another thing is that most of us are not in the subject. For example, I am a motorized rifleman, but I mainly worked at a construction site
  • Wolf
    Wolf 31 August 2020 16: 16 New
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    Wishes to the Kolomensky Zavod of success in the production of diesel-geared units, which would be of a high quality level, for the benefit of the people. If childhood illnesses are normal, the most important thing is to correct them quickly.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 31 August 2020 21: 23 New
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    I thought I did rocket fire. (((
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 1 September 2020 15: 48 New
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      How should he conduct them? He has NO missile weapons.