Corvette "Pavel Derzhavin" conducted the first shooting in the framework of state tests

The third patrol ship of Project 22160 "Pavel Derzhavin" performed the first firing during state tests on the Black Sea. The press service of the Black Sea fleet.

The crew of the newest Project 22160 patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin", built for the Black Sea Fleet, conducted the first artillery firing in the Black Sea. The event was held at the maritime combat training range as part of the state tests of the ship

- said in a statement.

As part of the state tests, the crew conducted test firing from the AK-176 artillery mount, large-caliber naval machine guns and DP-65 anti-sabotage grenade launcher systems. In addition, the work of the PK-10 close range jamming complex was tested.

Let us remind you that for the first time the Pavel Derzhavin set sail for sea trials on 23 July. State and factory tests of the ship are taking place in the military harbor of the Novorossiysk naval base and at sea ranges in the Black Sea.

Patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" is the third ship of Project 22160 and the second serial ship in a series of five units. The construction contract was signed in 2014, the entire series is intended for the Black Sea Fleet. The ship will join the formation of ships guarding the water area of ​​the Novorossiysk naval base of the Black Sea Fleet. The transfer of the ship to the fleet is planned by the end of 2020.

This corvette is the first to be built at the Kerch Shipyard "Zaliv". Laid down on February 18, 2016, launched on February 21, 2019.

The lead ship and the first serial “Vasily Bykov” and “Dmitry Rogachev” are already serving in the Black Sea Fleet.

Recall that the construction of the entire series of these ships was delayed due to the import substitution of the power plant. All ships of the series, except for the head Vasily Bykov, on which the German MAN diesel gear units are installed, receive diesel gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.

Comments

[aszzz888]

Good! The third is not superfluous, you can add more! Seven feet under the keel!

[Uncle lee]

get diesel-gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.

That's what's most important!

[Hog]

Quote: Uncle Lee

get diesel-gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.

That's what's most important!

And due to this they have a speed lower than the design one by several knots.

[Uncle lee]

Loss of speed is of course a minus. And the loss of progress due to the breakdown of the main (Chinese), this has already been observed ...

[Temples]

A strange ship.
Slow-moving.
Without normal weapons.

Of the pros, only the appearance.

Why the heck was it created and built?

For fish without fish and cancer?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Temples

Why the heck was it created and built?

This question should be asked to the general director of the shipbuilding corporation "Ak Bars"
Mistakhov. With whom he agreed.
[/ Center]

[Fizik M]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

This question should be asked to the general director of the shipbuilding corporation "Ak Bars"

Mistakhov has nothing to do with it
the main thing in the "brothel", which resulted in 22160 was Vitek Chirkov

[VIP]

We have nothing except Kolomintsev

[Husit]

Quote: Uncle Lee

get diesel-gear units manufactured by the Kolomna plant.

That's what's most important!

Exactly !!! Their engines, albeit not the best, but I think they will bring to mind

[Fizik M]

sympathetic REALITY:
https://topwar.ru/174150-moduli-patrulniki-ne-spasut.html

[Sofa]

A suitcase without a handle, 20380 is much more teeth than it, and there is even nothing to talk about 20385, this series has neither air defense nor strike weapons or protection from submarines, one art installation and a portable needle, it seems like containers can be put with calibers, but while they are not visible it would be better riveted more than 20380 and 20385

[mintai_kot]

Protection of the water area, abbreviated as OVR in the slang of sailors, a squad of cheerful guys! The fleet is being updated and that's great! To evil "partners"!

[Escobar]

Yes, the "partners" will only be happy that we produce such troughs for such money. They only scare Somali pirates on motor boats

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Eskobar

They only scare Somali pirates on motor boats

And then not with any excitement ...

[Fizik M]

Quote: mintai_kot

Protection of the water area, abbreviated as OVR in the slang of sailors, a squad of cheerful guys! The fleet is being updated and that's great!

this is bad
because instead of full-fledged OVR corvettes, the fleet was swallowed by low-combat KORYTA

[Alexey RA]

Quote: mintai_kot

Protection of the water area, abbreviated as OVR in the slang of sailors, a squad of cheerful guys! The fleet is being updated and that's great! To evil "partners"!

How to protect something? GAS on 22160 - only anti-sabotage. From the armament of the PLO - one helicopter, and nothing else. There is no air defense (that is, even an accidentally missed anti-ship missile system is guaranteed to have nothing to complete).
This is not an OVR. This is a flag display ship. Or rather, the PSKR of the FSB, imposed by the will of certain individuals by the Navy.

[good]

He has no mission to fight. They were conceived as specialized anti-piracy and anti-sabotage, so as not to distract ships for these tasks.
And taking into account the actions of Ukraine in the Azov and Black Seas, it will be very much in demand on the Black Sea and this can always be overtaken anywhere. To the base in Tartus, for example. It's not the border guards to work there.

On the next three, they may already have a station for searching for submarines, and you can always put a container with other weapons if necessary.

[timokhin-aa]

They are not suitable as anti-piracy

[timokhin-aa]

This is not an update, this is a profanation, throwing money down the drain

[Eldorado]

Seven feet under the keel,!

[cost]

The corvette is named after the captain of the 1st rank of the USSR Navy, a participant in the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union (1944) Pavel Ivanovich Derzhavin since 1940, the commander of the 1st division of the 1st Black Sea detachment of border ships, who distinguished himself during the Kerch landing operation in October 1943

By the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 27, 1984, Captain 1st Rank P.I. Derzhavin for military valor during the Great Patriotic War and services in protecting the State Border of the USSR, he was awarded the Order of the October Revolution. An extremely rare award from border guards.

[Hog]

Not the case when you need to rejoice, the "new thing" is just for the sake of appearance, does not represent value for the fleet in its current form.
Against his background, 20386 was not so useless.

[Hog]

Minusers can minus as much as you like from this this vessel will not become a normal ship.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hog

Minusers can minus as much as you like from this this vessel will not become a normal ship.

I didn't minus. You should see the patrol ships of the world. The British and other countries also have them. These are ships of peacetime. Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive the pirates - that's their task, so as not to waste the valuable resource of warships.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Marconi41

Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive pirates - this is their task

With which patrolmen 22160 cope extremely poorly, due to low speed, susceptibility to rolling, which limits the use of a helicopter and the inability to use launch boats with minimal excitement

[Marconi41]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: Marconi41

Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive pirates - this is their task

With which patrolmen 22160 cope extremely poorly, due to low speed, susceptibility to rolling, which limits the use of a helicopter and the inability to use launch boats with minimal excitement

Eh, you should have seen how the IPC sways on the waves. In a big roll and the enemy is not sweet. The rest of the TTD of our patrolman is quite comparable with foreign counterparts.
By the way, border guards on a similar 22100 drive the fishermen once or twice and they have a helicopter on board not for beauty.

[Hog]

By the way, border guards on a similar 22100 drive the fishermen once or twice and they have a helicopter on board not for beauty.

It is 1000 tons larger and much more stable, so on its basis it was necessary to create a patrolman for the fleet (although what does the fleet have to do with it).

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hog

It is 1000 tons larger and much more stable, so on its basis it was necessary to create a patrolman

Not without this, but for the Black and Baltic seas, this is perhaps redundant.

[Hog]

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: Hog

It is 1000 tons larger and much more stable, so on its basis it was necessary to create a patrolman

Not without this, but for the Black and Baltic seas, this is perhaps redundant.

So the bottom line is that 22160 was supposed to be used for anti-pirate missions and for this 3000 tons is not so much.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hog

So the bottom line is that 22160 was supposed to be used for anti-pirate missions and for this 3000 tons is not so much.

At one time, 1124 went on long campaigns and performed combat missions there. The displacement is comparable.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

At one time, 1124 went on long campaigns and performed combat missions there. The displacement is comparable.

Monsieur, before you whip nonsense, read at least something on the issue!
The displacement of 1124 is even less.
But the LOOPs are CORRECT.
Not "innovative" like 22160

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Hog

(although what does the fleet have to do with it).

Do you believe this is the first time? Won in the 30s for the NKVD marine border guard, the future Defense Ministry was developed and began to be built in series, then Isakov saw the boat and said, citizens, and we have a blockage with the OVR as usual. As a result, the boat began to be built for the Navy. As a result, the border guards provided decisive assistance to the RKKF by joining its structure for mobilization, thereby becoming the most important tool for coastal struggle ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Marconi41

Eh, you should have seen how the IPC sways on the waves.

IPC does not have a helicopter, and boats are not lowered from it

Quote: Marconi41

The rest of the TTD of our patrolman is quite comparable with foreign analogues.

Not comparable. Speed ​​22 knots and significant restrictions on the use of helicopter / boats

Quote: Marconi41

By the way, border guards on a similar 22100

Project 22100 is a completely different project, where the standard displacement is 1,8 times greater.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Not comparable. Speed ​​22 knots and significant restrictions on the use of helicopter / boats

Well, not 22, but still 25 knots. And I hope you don’t think that all ships are in full swing? Most ships have a cruising speed of only 17 knots.
And then - This is not a combat, but a patrol ship.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Marconi41

Well, not 22, but still 25 knots.

This is in theory, but in practice, according to M. Klimov's data, the head showed only 22 knots.

Quote: Marconi41

And I hope you don’t think that all ships are in full swing? Most ships have a cruising speed of only 17 knots.
And then - This is not a combat, but a patrol ship.

It is precisely for a patrol ship that full speed is an extremely important and essential characteristic, since on it, in which case, you have to catch up with the intruder. And who are the violators? Well, the Japanese at one time used high-speed ships capable of developing 30 knots. and more (according to one Marine officer who went to detain them). They violated our economic space, arranged fishing for something there, saw a patrolman and - a pedal to the floor. Somalia pirates went on motorboats capable of developing up to 25 knots.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

This is in theory, but in practice, according to M. Klimov's data, the head showed only 22 knots.

This name does not inspire confidence in the information from him.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The Somalia pirates used motorboats capable of developing up to 25 knots.

In the helicopter race, they will lose.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Well, the Japanese used to use fast ships capable of developing 30 knots.

Border guards are fighting poachers here, this is their headache.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Marconi41

This name does not inspire confidence in the information from him.

Nevertheless, on a number of issues, I have not seen refutation of his statements.

Quote: Marconi41

In the helicopter race, they will lose.

And in order to raise a helicopter, you need to lift it into the air, which is not always possible from a trough with a standard displacement of 1500 tons in the absence of roll stabilizers

Quote: Marconi41

Border guards are fighting poachers here, this is their headache.

:)))) And with whom will this "OVR ship" fight? He cannot fight warships due to complete disarmament, he cannot fight poachers because of speed ...

[Marconi41]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And in order to raise a helicopter, you need to lift it into the air, which is not always possible from a trough with a standard displacement of 1500 tons in the absence of roll stabilizers

Well, pirate boats probably have great seaworthiness ?!

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And with whom will this "OVR ship" fight then?

I already wrote about this above, I do not want to repeat myself.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

Well, pirate boats probably have great seaworthiness ?!

some yes
it is quite fashionable to "fly" on the same 4 points on a boat
but this is COVERED - and it will not develop 20-21 nodes, nor will it lower boats, nor will it lift a helicopter (without the risk of losing it)

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

This name does not inspire confidence in the information from him.

bunny, your jumps on the trampoline clearly say that would be stupid yap, no one can call you
and at 22 knots this is already OFFICIAL information

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

Well, not 22, but still 25 knots

exactly 22
about *** r full with the speed of project 22160

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Marconi41

and still 25 knots.

Well, where's 25? There it is enough to look at the aft dock camera, and then at the bow end to understand that this ship was designed by absolutely enchanting uh guys ...

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

Eh, you should have seen how the IPC sways on the waves. In a big roll and the enemy is not sweet.

not only watched
TL pumps even more
however, the question is in SEAFORNESS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS
at IPC pr.1124 - all norms, in accordance with the TTZ
unlike KORITA 22160

Quote: Marconi41

By the way, border guards on a similar 22100

ARE YOU quite cuckoo?
Unlike KORYT 22100, they ordered and made with DIRECT HANDS (and the bright head of Lekis B.A.)

[Marconi41]

Quote: Fizik M

ARE YOU quite cuckoo?

Rude sir. The conversation with you is over.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

The conversation is over with you

taking into account what kind of ACHINA You carried и conversation there was none
YOU, so, slightly smothered - into YOUR nonsense

[Foxnova]

I confirm I went to the first two orders. Only brawlers are worse than them

[Victorio]

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: Hog

Minusers can minus as much as you like from this this vessel will not become a normal ship.

I didn't minus. You should see the patrol ships of the world. The British and other countries also have them. These are ships of peacetime. Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive the pirates - that's their task, so as not to waste the valuable resource of warships.

===
well, yes, right there on in there is something new from the Norwegians https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html

[Marconi41]

Quote: Victorio

well, yes, right there on in there is something new from the Norwegians https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html

This ship is a border ship to guard the EEZ. Our similar is just 22100 from the FSB.

[Victorio]

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: Victorio

well, yes, right there on in there is something new from the Norwegians https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html

This ship is a border ship to guard the EEZ. Our similar is just 22100 from the FSB.

===
presented as a patrol

[Marconi41]

Quote: Victorio

presented as a patrol

So it is, but since there is an electronic movement, it means ice class, and in everything it is comparable to our 22100

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

but if there is an electronic movement, it means ice class,

this is the PHRASE OF THE DAY!
pyasha ISSTCHO! I promise not to laugh loudly and not to kick it hurts!

By the way, where are YOU "officers" - in a cavalry squadron?

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

This

tell, YOU are here so "spawn" because YOU are "greased"?

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

You should see the patrol ships of the world. The British and other countries also have them. These are ships of peacetime. Show the flag, look after possible partners, drive pirates - that's their task, so as not to waste the valuable resource of warships.

Yes, it's worth seeing
For against their background 22160 is frankly ... th patrolman.
First of all, for seaworthiness when solving problems

[timokhin-aa]

I plus two times

[Escobar]

And where are the vaunted calibers?

[Hog]

Quote: Eskobar

And where are the vaunted calibers?

On other ships, on "this", they can theoretically be installed in container design, but there will not be 99,9% of them.

[Hog]

Quote: Marconi41

You should see the patrol ships of the world.

Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hog

Quote: Marconi41

You should see the patrol ships of the world.

Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.

I do not feel sick. And the fact that most of these experts think in terms of the Soviet era is also not surprising in this menu.

[Hog]

Quote: Marconi41

I do not feel sick. And the fact that most of these experts think in terms of the Soviet era is also not surprising in this menu.

So there was no question about you.
This was said about those who came up with the TTZ for this ship.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

most of these experts think in terms of

YOUR categories are "Murzilka" and ducks in the bathroom

[Marconi41]

Quote: Fizik M

Quote: Marconi41

most of these experts think in terms of

YOUR categories are "Murzilka" and ducks in the bathroom

I am the same officer as you were, Comrade Klimov. Only now he did not become a boor, like some.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Marconi41

I am the same officer

YOU are not an "officer", but a bazaar "aunt Frosya"
Judging by the flow of nonsense which YOU are carrying, in the Armed Forces YOU were the one you were talking about - "the mouth closed - the materiel in the original"

[Victorio]

Quote: Hog

Quote: Marconi41

You should see the patrol ships of the world.

Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.

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Well, why is this Norwegian better https://topwar.ru/174446-patrulnye-korabli-tipa-holland-niderlandy.html?
perhaps, the conditions of service and the level of salary.

[Hog]

so what is this Norwegian better

Yes, at least with a slip, look at how the boat comes in at them and how it is done here at 22160.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Victorio

so what is this Norwegian better

REAL SEAFORNESS IN SOLVING TASKS

[Victorio]

Quote: Fizik M

Quote: Victorio

so what is this Norwegian better

REAL SEAFORNESS IN SOLVING TASKS

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Specifically, have you seen / read reviews or comparisons of participants? but on the whole, perhaps, nevertheless, they made the newways for the northern latitudes.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Victorio

specifically, reviews or comparisons of participants

Yes

[Victorio]

Quote: Fizik M

Quote: Victorio

and more specifically, member reviews or comparisons

Yes

===
here and there? or so, since we are bad, then they should be good?

[Fizik M]

Quote: Victorio

since we are bad, then should they be good?

it's not about "we are bad and they are good"
22100 with seaworthiness everything is fine
but the fact that 22160 were doing Innovative "constructors" with crooked hands (and not only hands)

[Victorio]

Quote: Fizik M

Quote: Victorio

since we are bad, then should they be good?

it's not about "we are bad and they are good"
22100 with seaworthiness everything is fine
but the fact that 22160 were doing Innovative "constructors" with crooked hands (and not only hands)

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those. you seaworthiness, in this case, measure the attitude to the designers? I meant something else

[Fizik M]

Quote: Victorio

seaworthiness, in this case, measure the attitude to the designers?

what does the attitude have to do with it?
shitty seaworthiness 22160 when solving problems - a direct consequence of the shitty work of his "constructors"

[Victorio]

Quote: Fizik M

Quote: Victorio

seaworthiness, in this case, measure the attitude to the designers?

what does the attitude have to do with it?
shitty seaworthiness 22160 when solving problems - a direct consequence of the shitty work of his "constructors"

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okay, you know something about 22160, let's look. how do you know that the Norwegian is better seaworthy? Norwegian thoroughness and practicality, common practice, hull lines, blueprints, sailors' reports, etc.!?

[Fizik M]

Quote: Victorio

that the Norwegian has better seaworthiness?

better than WHAT?
22160 - unequivocally (stupid due to the wretchedness of 22160 and a smaller displacement)
but 22100 is quite at the level

and as for the seaworthiness of western patrolmen (when solving problems!), very interesting and detailed articles were published on this topic "across the river", something I laid out in "courage"

[Victorio]

Quote: Fizik M

Quote: Victorio

that the Norwegian has better seaworthiness?

better than WHAT?
22160 - unequivocally (stupid due to the wretchedness of 22160 and a smaller displacement)
but 22100 is quite at the level

as for the seaworthiness of western patrolmen (when solving problems!), very interesting and detailed articles were published on this topic "across the river", something I laid out in "courage"

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and then it will not be possible to provide. okay. I am only, and in the past, an operator, but I still remember that seaworthiness is a complex of qualities, and besides the displacement there is a lot more, including the power of the engines (the Norwegians have less, with a larger displacement), stability, unsinkability and so on.

[timokhin-aa]

The Norwegian has better outlines, it does not need so much power, the stability of 22160 is acceptable, but there are problems with combat survivability and very serious ones, specifically from one 76-mm projectile, you can completely lose progress.

[Aleksandr1971]

Only 3 years passed from the moment of laying to launch! Amazing speed for Russian military shipbuilding! And before being put into service, it will probably take only five or two years ...

[Cyril G ...]

Look, for fun, how the border fleet is built. PSKR pr. 22460 at European shipyards was built on average at a speed of 1.5 to 2 years. In the Far East, about six months more.
In fact, the PSKR is only slightly simpler than the Patrol Ship. And such a series of ships in the post-Soviet era has not yet been built in Russia. A total of 13 ships entered service. 14th on trial. The naval boat Grachonok, built in the amount of 15 units, is four times less in / and ...

[Aleksandr1971]

Cyril G ... (Cyril), and I don't mind ... After all, if we compare with what it was in shipbuilding yesterday, when the ships were built for 15-16 years, then there is significant progress.

[VIP]

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: Hog

Quote: Marconi41

You should see the patrol ships of the world.

Go to the section "Armament" there is an article about the patrol of a healthy person.

I do not feel sick. And the fact that most of these experts think in terms of the Soviet era is also not surprising in this menu.

We all went out from there. Another thing is that most of us are not in the subject. For example, I am a motorized rifleman, but I mainly worked at a construction site

[Wolf]

Wishes to the Kolomensky Zavod of success in the production of diesel-geared units, which would be of a high quality level, for the benefit of the people. If childhood illnesses are normal, the most important thing is to correct them quickly.

[Pavel57]

I thought I did rocket fire. (((

[timokhin-aa]

How should he conduct them? He has NO missile weapons.