Armenia intends to purchase a new batch of Russian Su-30SM fighters

Armenia intends to purchase a new batch of Su-30SM multifunctional fighters from Russia, negotiations are already underway. The Minister of Defense of the Republic David Tonoyan stated this on the air of the Armenian service of Radio Liberty.

The acquisition of a new batch of aircraft is planned. Negotiations are underway

- he said.

Russia confirmed the fact of Armenia's intention to purchase another batch of Su-30SM, stating that the FSMTC is ready to discuss the supply of an additional batch of fighters with Yerevan.

Work with Armenian partners continues. The topic of the purchase of aircraft will be discussed if the Armenian side confirms its interest in this.

- Maria Vorobyova, FSMTC representative, said on August 23.

It should be reminded that currently, the Armenian Air Force is armed with four Su-30SM multifunctional fighters. The fighters arrived at the Erebuni airfield near Yerevan at the end of December 2019. Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan then stated that it was "the main acquisition of Armenia in 2019". The delivery was carried out at domestic Russian prices.

In total, the Armenian Defense Ministry expects to receive 12 Su-30SM fighters. It should be noted that before the Su-30SM was received as part of the Armenian Air Force, the fighter aviation did not exist due to the lack of fighters. Only Su-25 attack aircraft were in service with the country's Air Force.

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[Grandfather]

Armenia intends to purchase a new batch of Russian Su-30SM fighters

what in return, shoemakers and auto specialists?

[Civil]

Armenia is supported, now Belarus, a mini USSR, in principle, from the Ukrainian SSR only the DPR and LPR, from the Caucasus Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the TMR from the MolSSR, from the Baltic states, the Kaliningrad region, from Central Asia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, all are also supported by the former RSFSR.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Civil

from the Baltics Kaliningrad region

Kaliningrad is Russia. You also write - "From the Urals Chelyabinsk, from Primorye Vladivostok, from the North Murmansk ..."

[Lionnvrsk]

In return, Azerbaijan will buy the S-400. Although maybe not ...
We are not completely satisfied with the explanation of the Russian side; we are waiting for clarification on the basis on which the intensive arming of Armenia continues.- they say in the administration of the President of Azerbaijan.

[Oquzyurd]

"In exchange, Azerbaijan will buy S-400" More likely not than yes. There are many reasons, even without these Su-30s (for example, the scandal with the flight of goods from Rostov via the Caspian Sea and through Iran to Armenia during the Tovuz events, also in this piggy bank) During Aliyev's meeting with the Turkish delegation, he openly said that the Turks would soon become the main supplier of weapons. He had never said that before, never even hinted. The trip of the RF Ministry of Defense to Azerbaijan took place after this statement. Even the patient Aliyev was brought, there are simply no words ...

[g1v2]

The Turks themselves buy the s400 from us. Nothing prevents Aliyev from doing the same. Unless, of course, everything is fine with money. The oil crisis has swept across Azerbaijan as well.

[Oquzyurd]

It's not about the merits of the S-400 and the money, but about politics, against the background of donating (well, sale) to the enemy of the Su-30 and actions that have taken place before. This is an extremely important point, about which they were silent for a long time and closed their eyes. But apparently patience has also come to an end. If the Russian Federation really does not want to lose a friendly and loyal country in the form of Azerbaijan on the southern flank, then it is necessary to be more careful with Armenia, at the expense of armament, etc. the conversation and the alignment will be. There are a lot of ready to come there, waiting for the moment.

[_Ugene_]

We sell weapons to India and China and nothing, although they are opponents. China buys little from us, not because we sell to India, but because they themselves can already do almost everything, and what they cannot buy from us and no hysteria, and also from India there are no complaints about this

[Oquzyurd]

"We sell weapons to India and China and nothing." None of them occupied 20% of each other's territory. Can you see the difference? Armenia holds one fifth of Azerbaijan under occupation. Proceed from this.

[_Ugene_]

None of them occupied 20% of each other's territory.

And what is it necessary? They also have a territorial conflict, but geopolitical rivalry is evident and armed clashes take place

[Oquzyurd]

This is not the same thing. Terki and rivalry exist in many places in the world. In our case, the actual occupation by Armenia of 20% of the lands (Nagorno-Karabakh, + 7 adjacent regions) of Azerbaijan. Their troops have been in the territories of Azerbaijan for 27 years. the actual line of contact between the troops, behind the back of the Armenian Armed Forces are occupied, completely destroyed and deserted 828 villages and cities of Azerbaijan. I also add that the Russian Federation is one of the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group in the negotiations on Karabakh. And Azerbaijan and Armenia are not China and India for the Russian Federation No matter how we lived together for a couple of centuries, and even today we are the CIS countries.

[_Ugene_]

Well, judging by your name, you are Azerbaijani, therefore, this point of view, on the other hand, will obviously be the opposite point of view

[Oquzyurd]

Yes, I am Azerbaijani. The point of view can be in politics or in economics. What I am talking about is the actual, military occupation of our territories. When an occupier is presented with weapons, all over the world, all countries affected by this act will show the same reaction. If you have read all the comments, you should notice the opposite point of view, largely based on a distant and unknown (from the point of view of historians) history, like the "great Armenia" of some Tigran two thousand years old, thereby justifying the occupation at the end of the twentieth century. interesting, look, here you will find these individuals.

[_Ugene_]

you think that this is your territory, they also sincerely believe that theirs, this is called a territorial conflict

[Oquzyurd]

A well-known history, I emphasize, a well-known history based on documents, international legal documents, states during the entry of the USSR, and during the collapse of the USSR, proves that these territories of Azerbaijan. (And under Persia, before Russia came to these regions, these territories were Khanates, semi-free education, a tribute to the subordinates of Persia, in which the Khans were Caucasian Turks and lived there in the majority of Caucasian Turks, that is, today's Azerbaijanis) There are no well-known historical documents of their support, there are no both during the creation of the USSR and during the collapse. And internationally (including the Russian Federation) these territory is recognized as Azerbaijan.

[Oquzyurd]

"they just sincerely believe that their" This does not give them the right. They sincerely believe that half of Turkey, part of the north of Iran, part of Georgia, even part of the Russian Federation in the northern Caucasus is their land. Well, now what?

[bayard]

Jeyhun, I heard that recently a delegation from Azerbaijan visited aircraft manufacturing enterprises, got acquainted with the Su-35 and MiG-35 fighters, and that the conversation was about the purchase of these machines.
Maybe this is the way out?
Armenia needs aviation not only against Azerbaijan - it has Turkey close by. And there are no fighters.
Therefore, it would be more correct for Azerbaijan to buy combat fighters from Russia - for parity. And air defense systems. This will be more correct and without discrimination of the parties.
Since Turkey also buys S-400 from Russia and is going to order the Su-35, it means that it SHOULD be sold to Azerbaijan.
And no one will be offended.
How did that plane trip end? What do you hear?

[Oquzyurd]

It's not about the SU or MIGs. For a long time, opinions have been formed in the society like in this article https://minval.az/news/124024587 All this puts pressure on Aliyev as never before.
At the expense of aviation, you yourself perfectly understand that if Armenia has not 4 SU-30s, but at least 100, then this does not mean anything against Turkey, if Armenia does not have the Russian Federation nearby. In this case, the purchased planes of Armenia are needed to hold the occupied lands Azerbaijan.
And on the account of Azerbaijan's purchase of SU-35 or MiG-35 aircraft, everything is at the level of conversations. Navryatli, after Tovuz and related events, in the near future, the topic of these aircraft will be relevant. Not in military, but in political sense. I watched the last meeting of Aliyev with Shoigu, all of their faces were unusually cold, the lyrics were also unusually modestly restrained. At times it seemed that they did not know what to say in front of the cameras. It's good that there were the Naval Games of the military, a saving theme from the watchful eyes of operators and spectators.

[bayard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

At the expense of aviation, you yourself perfectly understand that if Armenia has not 4 SU-30s, but at least 100, then this does not mean anything against Turkey,

I did not mean the possibility of a war between Armenia and Turkey (this is nonsense), but about Armenia's desire to build a more or less balanced air defense system, relying not only on air defense systems, but also on fighter aircraft. This is understandable.
But this does not mean at all that Russia cannot or will not want to sell combat fighters to Azerbaijan, and judging by their interest, they are of a higher class. But the Tovuz incident seriously complicated the relationship ... and again the Armenians set Russia up ...
Moreover, relations have strained not only with Azerbaijan, but also with Armenia. The Armenians, of course, are allies of the Russian Federation in the CSTO, but their hysteria over the incident in the CSTO was met very ... coolly.
Therefore, I think that the passions over the Armenian provocation will subside and negotiations on the purchase of aircraft can be continued.

[bayard]

You are not familiar with the history of this conflict,

Quote: _Ugene_

The weeks

why do you need this dispute?
And in general, as I see, you do not know the history of Transcaucasia. From scratch you can explain the entire history and background of this long-standing conflict and the events of 1989 - 1992. - it's not at all grateful, long and tiring.
I know the history of this conflict, I served there when it all began. At a fairly large command post of the air defense formation. And I know the local geography.
The aggressors and instigators of the conflict were the Armenians, relying on their foreign diaspora. And besides Nagorno-Karabakh itself (part of the Azerbaijan SSR), the Armenians captured a number of adjacent regions with a purely Azerbaijani population.
My friend served there - as a commander in Gindarkh, and I have been there.

[_Ugene_]

everyone has their own truth, and it seems to everyone that it is the only truth, for example, many Ukrainians quite sincerely believe that we occupied their Crimea, captured them by military force, and the international community officially supports them in this, but do we have our own truth? and about any examples, as a rule, the standard answer is "this is a completely different case"

[bayard]

Quote: _Ugene_

everyone has their own truth, and it seems to everyone that it is the only truth,

If they are participants in the conflict - certainly. But I am a DIRECT observer of those events, many of them took place during my combat duty as part of the Reconnaissance and Information Center of the Air Defense Forces in Azerbaijan (Alat). All operational information in real time flowed to us. I know and remember things that you not only do not know about, but do not even suspect that this could be so.
Therefore, I declare with calm confidence that the aggressors in those events, the initiators of that enmity were the Armenians. For a long time they prepared for this, supported by their diaspora, armed themselves, captured the arsenal of DOSAF (small arms and rocket-propelled flamethrowers), launched attacks on lonely remote units of the Soviet Army, including a night attack on a high-mountain unit of the RTV air defense ... the bright moon helped out ... - the attackers were found ahead of time against a background of white snow, the attack was repulsed, including with the use of hand grenades, a Dashnak's ID was removed from one of the killed militants (the spread of this ID bore a "Great Armenia card" - from Lebanon to Baku). Personally, I declared a military alert when I spotted 2 helicopters with Armenian saboteurs trying to blow up the Baku-Yerevan oil and gas pipeline - they managed to tie pipes with explosives, but did not manage to connect the detonators. They were frightened off by our Mi-24 turntables on duty (they were on duty in Imishli and Kurdamir, the main base was Sangachaly), who pursued them to Stepanokert, but they managed to sit right on the city square, the terrorists fled. The event was classified. And many more things like that.
And the Azerbaijanis have done a lot of things, incl. expelling the Armenians whom we hid in our garrisons and organized evacuation to other regions of the USSR.
But!
It was the Armenians who started this whole orgy. And they were MUCH better prepared. And the Azerbaijanis simply reacted.
And I do not have any engagement, I just remember too well everything that, how and when happened at the beginning of this conflict.
And Azerbaijan in this situation is a party that has clearly suffered from the aggression of the other - the Armenian side.
For Russia, Armenia does not represent any particular value, there are VERY big doubts about its loyalty, or even its loyalty. All her interests in relation to Russia are exclusively selfish.
And from her ONE LOSSES. Both economic and moral-ethical, political and financial.

Quote: _Ugene_

for example, many Ukrainians sincerely believe that we occupied their Crimea, captured

Well, tell this to a resident of Donbass and an active participant in the Russian Spring since March 2014, who knows what captivity, exchange, bury comrades and see children crippled by shrapnel.

Quote: _Ugene_

but we have our own truth?

This is your "own truth", but we have the Truth, which has no double interpretation.

[Oquzyurd]

Thank you for not being lazy, telling about those events. What we have experienced, you know, in addition you know more about the job, bring the facts to the reader. Such people are rare in our time.

[_Ugene_]

I do not argue with the fact that you wrote about the actions of the Armenians, but they did it piously believing that they were taking their land, and now they believe in it
you still do not understand that the ultimate Truth does not exist? this is an abstraction, like absolute good or evil, each has its own truth and often both sides really have enough objective arguments to confirm this truth

[bayard]

Ugene, you are confusing concepts.
True, indeed, everyone has their own, for "truth" is what is ruled by.
Truth is one, it does not depend on the subjective opinion of the many-rebellious world.
Truth is what was and is in reality.
but the distortion of the truth in their favor, or according to their understanding, is the "truth" that everyone has their own.
If we talked about the events of the beginning of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, I know about it and learned from the current operational reports, or I myself took part in them. This is a big, complex and not very pleasant topic.
But I know her.
And my knowledge is true, because it is not distorted by personal preferences. During my service in Azerbaijan, the Armenians also served with me: Ashot Saritsyan, Warrant Officer Baghdasaryan, with whom I had very good - friendly relations (after the January events of 1990 they were transferred from Azerbaijan in order to avoid complications), and we are during the pogroms they hid in their military towns. And then they were evacuated to the "mainland" ...
But it was the Armenians who started everything.
They declared N. Karabakh their territory and even included it in the "Economic Development Plan for 1990" , began seizing weapons from the warehouses of DOSAF, Civil Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... And this is still in 1989.
And before that, in the winter from 1984 to 1985, they publicly burned their Soviet passports in the squares of Yerevan during anti-Soviet rallies. It was then that the terrorist organization "Dashna Tsutiun" (actually even earlier) under the leadership of the British and American special services resumed its criminal activities.
We knew about it.
And during the liquidation of the consequences of the earthquake in Armenia, along with humanitarian aid from abroad (then there was wild chaos there, the cargo was practically not checked), firearms were delivered to Armenia (including automatic ones - Israeli Uzi machine guns), explosives , detonators, equipment, radio stations, etc.
Armenia at that moment was rapidly turning into a hotbed of terrorism ... but under the auspices of Gorbachev and Co. ... No matter how disgusting it is.
And there are no reasons, reasons and reasons to justify what the Armenian terrorists did!
This does not justify the actions of the Azerbaijanis to expel the Armenians from their land, but at least it explains that these were all retaliatory actions. Their reaction to the Armenian limitlessness.
And we had to clean up all this disgusting ...

And I know / have studied the whole history of this conflict, and the whole history of Armenians as a nation (and Azerbaijanis too) very well. I had to reluctantly.
From Adam to Jacob, and from Asura to Pashinyan
And believe me, it's better not to dig this story ...
And I would like to wish all parties to the conflict PEACE, GOOD and GOOD MIND.

[_Ugene_]

Truth is one, it does not depend on the subjective opinion of the many-rebellious world.
Truth is what was and is in reality.

only not in matters of human perception of the world, one and the same Truth for one is the meaning of all life, for another is an empty sound, therefore the same events and facts can be perceived by different people exactly the opposite, hence the conflicts

[GrigK]

Have you been to Sumgait too, or have you participated in Operation Ring?

[bayard]

Quote: GrigK

And you were in Sumgait too

No, I arrived in Azerbaijan at the end of the summer of 1988, and the nature of my service did not provide for participation in ensuring public order. I served at the RIC air defense unit. Units and subdivisions of our compound were deployed throughout the territory of Azerbaijan, and our zone of responsibility included the airspace of 1100 x 1000 km. including northern Iran and northeastern Turkey.

[GrigK]

Dear bayard, the date you indicated indicates that you have already arrived in Azerbaijan at least half a year later, when this whole "bacchanalia" began, as you put it, and therefore your information is not complete and one-sided. But yes God is with you. Everyone has their own opinion and their own attitude to everything in this world. Anyone who wants to know the truth, truth, causes and consequences, will find out without my or anyone's help. Health to you.

[GrigK]

The story does not begin since 1989.

[bayard]

I also know the background to this story - from archival data and operational reports.

[g1v2]

In the Caucasus, everything is determined only by 2 countries - Russia and Turkey, all the others there mean nothing. The Caucasian republics will have to choose between us. The ideas of Georgians to lie under the states did not help them much in 2008. In the same way, if something happens, they will not help the rest. Therefore, even after the victory of the Armenian Maidan, Pashinyan still does not break off relations with us. He understands that mattresses will definitely not protect his country. By the way, even after 2008, Aliyev quickly realized this and our relations with Azerbaijan began to improve rapidly. The agreement of 5 countries on the Caspian Sea and the north-south corridor speak of this. Arms deliveries are a political declaration. They bind countries and by this one country declares that it is ready to sell weapons, and the other that it is ready to buy. That is, this is how both countries declare. that they are not going to fight each other in the foreseeable future. Armenia is a member of the CSTO, so we will supply it with weapons in any case. The only question is whether she can pay for it? If not, it is possible, like Syria, to transfer to it the equipment we are removing from service.
By the way, news appeared in the Turkish media about the purchase of a special version of the SU35t by the Turks from us. They talk about 30 pieces. The peculiarity is that Turkish technologies left over from the development according to f35 should be used in this version. We'll see.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Oquzyurd

If they scored against Azerbaijan and the protests, then this is a different story and the alignment will be. There are a lot of people ready to come there, waiting for the moment.

The Russian Federation is ready for the "spread", unlike Azerbaijan, who wants to let them come to you, you have not had us for a long time ...

[Oquzyurd]

Well, let it be so, who will be ready for what will be better known.

[mvd]

so the Azerbaijanis received gifts from the Janissaries ...

[fn34440]

Notice. Where is the Minister of Defense of Armenia REPORTS about the upcoming purchase of RUSSIAN SU-30 CM. On Radio Liberty. Sounds like a drain of secret, secret information.

[Artashes 1971]

Old grandfather, especially for you. I do not know how old you are, but I hope I will bring the information to you. Shoemakers and auto specialists are a good profession, you still need to be able to sew shoes well and understand a car. But I would like to remind you (and perhaps make a discovery for you): the creator and general designer of the legendary Mig is twice Hero of the Soviet Union Artem Ivanovich (Ovannesovich) MikoyAN. Further, the creator of the legendary MiG 29 line is the nephew of Artem Mikoyan, the son of Anastas Ivanovich MikoYAN - Ivan (Hovhannes) Mikoyan. Further, the General Designer of the Su - 47 "Berkut", with a forward swept wing, as well as, from 1999 - 2007 the General Director of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, and from 2008 to 2011. General Director of RSK "Mig" - Mikhail Pogosyan. Further, the General Designer of modern front-line bombers Su - 34 - Rollan Gurgenovich Martirosov (Martirosyan), Hero of Labor of the Russian Federation. And so on, you can count more. As you understand, these are all the Armenians who served their homeland, the USSR, for many years, and now work and serve for the good of Russia. Continue to be proud of modern Russian fighters! Personally, I am very proud of it!

[Aleksandr1971]

Interestingly, and with whose money Armenia is going to buy airplanes? I will assume that it will be about the acquisition of the Su-30 on credit, which Russia will forgive Armenia in a few years. And this despite the fact that the informational background of the Armenian media is very anti-Russian.

In my opinion, it is good and correct to sell planes to Armenia, but only for real money, not at the expense of the Russian taxpayer. And so the Russians will soon have nothing to eat.

But no other country in Armenia will sell planes on debt.

[Francois]

Well, certainly not for your personal money!

[Aleksandr1971]

And mine too. After all, I pay taxes to the budget, although I dodge as much as possible. So there are my rubles in the federal budget. And you, François (François), just to blurt out nonsense. Apparently all your thoughts are like that.

[Francois]

I feel sorry for you, you ignorant!

[Francois]

Did you understand what you wrote and what you say?

[Artashes 1971]

Alexander1971, I want to answer you too. Russia is building a nuclear power plant on debt in Turkey, funded by Russian taxpayers. The return will be only in 30 years! Further, Russia sold the C - 400 to Turkey for $ 2,5 billion in debt, on credit, also with the money of Russian taxpayers. Further, now he wants to sell about 40 Su - 35 fighters of the same Turkey, for about $ 3 billion, and again on loan. And this is all Turkey, with which she had 12 wars (by the way, she won all of them)! Turkey, which "shoots" at the Su - 24 from behind and kills the Russian ambassador to Ankara. Armenia buys these fighters at domestic Russian prices, since this is provided for by the CSTO charter. Yes, we can take a loan if there is not enough money and this is quite normal. All the same, one must understand that a strong Armenia is in the interests of a strong Russia. In world practice, it is customary to buy weapons (and not only weapons) on credit and there is nothing reprehensible in this.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Artashes 1971

In world practice, it is customary to buy weapons (and not only weapons) on credit

In world practice, military leasing is widely used (including used VTs), this is a bit different from issuing a loan for the purchase of V and VT ...

[uranium]

Quote: Artashes 1971

Russia builds a nuclear power plant on debt in Turkey

Turkey, unlike Armenia, is solvent.
As for the friendly relations between the Russian Federation and the RA, this is probably why the broadcasting of Russian channels was closed, as well as the closure of Russian schools, the installation of a monument in the center of Yerevan and the glorification of the accomplices of fascism (NZHDE). Friendship with you I will say so in Armenian

[GrigK]

Do not talk nonsense taken from Yandex Zen

[uranium]

Quote: GrigK

Do not talk nonsense taken from Yandex Zen

give proofs and prove otherwise. Any lie is easy
Or do you want to say that the broadcasting of Russian channels was not limited?
Or maybe the monument to the fascist Nzhdeh does not exist and you do not consider him a hero ??
Maybe there are Russian schools in Armenia ?? Schools, not classes
https://newsarmenia.am/news/armenia/pamyatnik-deyatelyu-natsionalno-osvoboditelnogo-dvizheniya-gareginu-nzhde-otkryli-v-erevane/
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/08/2020/5f2ab52d9a79474cde6fd975

[GrigK]

There are schools. I can list by addresses if you are guided by Yerevan and other cities of Armenia. And it’s not me who owe you. Proof as you say.
Restricted the broadcasting of ALL foreign TV channels in the network of public broadcasting, which are not accredited or there are no contracts .... TV channels will sign an agreement on equal terms and with welcom.
On Nzhdeh's account, you also have incorrect information. He was convicted by the Soviet court not for ties with the Nazis, but for anti-Soviet activities. He was an officer in the Russian Tsarist Army and defended his homeland, including the interests of the Russian Empire. Yes, that was in the distant 20s, and for that activity he became a hero of Armenia and Bulgaria. We heard the ringing, but you don't know where. And most importantly, judging only by the history of the Great Patriotic War, then all the Kuban Cossacks should be condemned and many others who at the beginning of the war went over to the Nazis. Believe me, my dear grandfather fought in the Second World War and I in no way protect the traitors to my homeland. But the history of people and nations did not begin in 1941 and did not end in 1945.

[uranium]

Quote: GrigK

Restricted broadcasting of ALL foreign TV channels

Dozens of Russian TV channels broadcast in Armenia and one CNN a priori all Russian TV is considered foreign. The only TV channel that broadcasts and will broadcast is MIR.

Quote: GrigK

On Nzhdeh's account, you also have incorrect information. He was convicted by a Soviet court not for ties with the Nazis, but for anti-Soviet activities

He was tried for aiding Nazi Germany, and you interpret it as beneficial to you.

Quote: GrigK

There are schools. I can list by addresses

Please list the number of these schools, also state how many were at the beginning of "independence" and how many are now left or added

[Alkatrass A]

Only cheese in a mousetrap is free. Nothing is given for nothing, do not panic. At the top not such minds sit

[pavelty]

At the prices of the state defense order, as for yourself, there is no broth

[Piramidon]

Quote: pavlentiy

At the prices of the state defense order, as for yourself, there is no broth

Do factories work for nothing, on sheer enthusiasm? Continuous "communist subbotniks". Why are they so fighting for state defense orders?

[pavelty]

Why exaggerate ... Do you understand the difference between export and domestic prices?

[Livonetc]

Advice please.
What are the parameters of "inside Russian prices".
Does the manufacturer, after covering all costs and payments, still have some kind of profit for development?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Livonetc

What are the parameters of "inside Russian prices".

Domestic prices are formed as follows. Let's say you are an aircraft manufacturer, but you only make a glider yourself, and everything else is done by your contractors. At the same time, the plane has only a radar and an engine (there is a lot of everything, I’m for the sake of simplicity) Then the price of the plane for the RF Ministry of Defense will be = the cost of producing the airframe and 20% of the profit on them + the cost of purchasing the radar and the engine and 1% of the profit on them.
But the engine manufacturer, forming the price for it, also thinks the same way - that is, for example, if he does everything except the turbine blades, then the price of his engine will be = the cost of producing the engine except for the turbine blades and 20% profit on them + the cost of purchasing the blades turbines and 1% profit on them.
Plus, probably, VAT will be compensated for the enterprise, because foreign delivery is 20% on the price excluding VAT.
In general, on the one hand, it seems not bad. But! Military representatives often cut costs on products, including those without which there is nothing at all, and then the enterprise has to, in fact, pay them out of profit. On the other hand, sometimes there are sages who were able to justify more costs for manufacturing GOZ products than they actually incurred. So everything is individual here. In addition, it is not clear where the bribe will be paid to Rosoboronexport, which is an obligatory intermediary in such sales.
Most likely, the manufacturer will earn something on this supply, but definitely not mountains of gold

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Livonetc

Advice please.
What are the parameters of "inside Russian prices".
Does the manufacturer, after covering all costs and payments, still have some kind of profit for development?

Apparently there is still a difference in price ...

The military-technical cooperation is one of the most active areas of interaction between the CSTO countries. The main prerequisite for this is

the ability to purchase weapons from Russia at preferential prices, practically the same as for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

... This opportunity is most actively used by Belarus, Kazakhstan and Armenia, constantly acquiring large consignments of weapons, including the most modern.

https://topwar.ru/84681-odkb-strategiya-i-praktika-kollektivnogo-dogovora.html
On the other hand, it is not clear what document (the normative legal act fixes the pricing :) ...

The CSTO has nothing to do with price formation, but the state - members of the organization receive weapons at domestic Russian prices on the basis of the corresponding Agreement on preferential supplies of weapons and special equipment, without commercial allowances. The final price is determined by Rosoboronexport and FSMTS, based on the amount that the plant writes.On some systems, of course, there are disagreements, especially on science-intensive and technologically complex ones. But our partners, as a rule, purchase weapons that have been sold and operated for a long time, at which prices are stable and no questions arise.

https://iz.ru/news/527896

[Wwk7260]

The case when it is better for Russia to buy F16.

[Aleksandr1971]

You Wwk7260 (Wwk) are wrong. And they are wrong because Armenia is unable to purchase US aircraft. And he won't sell Armenia on debt to the United States (and not on debt either). And European manufacturers won't sell either. So Armenia simply has no choice.

Although for Russia, the acquisition of advanced western fighters by Armenia could be good. Because by virtue of military cooperation with Armenia, the Russian design bureaus and the military could properly familiarize themselves with the stuffing of the adversaries' planes.

[Wwk7260]

Not able to purchase in the US? Let them buy the Bulgarians written off in Poland, Ukraine, in the end, it seems like the UA was going to renew its Air Force, how should Russia finance the next "multi-vector"?

[Aleksandr1971]

Again you, Wwk7260 (Wwk), are wrong.

Poland, Bulgaria and other US satellites do not have independence in matters of international relations and military technology. These satellites would need US consent to sell older aircraft of any value. And the United States will not give such consent. And absolutely nothing from the times of the Second World War and Armenia itself is not necessary.

[seregatara1969]

Have you already broken the old batch?

[Cympak]

Have tasted, for free then ...
If you sell (or rather donate) combat aircraft to Armenia, then the MiG-29M2 / MiG-35 is better. Basically, to "keep the pants" of the MiG manufacturer, and at the same time to promote products to other markets.

[Aleksandr1971]

In general, the MiG-35 does not exist as an aircraft yet. This is just an advanced project at the stage of alleged completion.
I believe that when the MiG-35 appears, there is no need to sell it. Precisely because he is advanced.

[Radical]

Armenia intends to purchase a new batch of Russian Su-30SM fighters

Curious, who will fly them?

[KARAKURT777]

Like who? Ivanyans, Sidrovians and Petrovians.

[Aleksandr1971]

The Armenians were good pilots during the Second World War.
And KB MiG comes from Mikoyan and Gurevich.

[KARAKURT777]

During the Second World War, there were many good pilots, including representatives of other nationalities.

[Artashes 1971]

Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Nelson Stepanyan! Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Artem Mikoyan! Hero of the Soviet Union, Air Marshal Armenak Khanferyants! That's who will fly! Do you still want to list?

[Winnie76]

With such an impressive list and Mikoyan to boot, you don't even need planes. Throw in your hats. Opponents do not shine anything, because they did not have a single hero, right?

[Graz]

such a small country does not need such planes

[Aleksandr1971]

You, Graz (Maxim), are wrong.
Azerbaijan has a fairly large fleet of military aircraft.
If the Armenians give up the planes, then in the next war with Azerbaijan (and this war will be), the Armenians will be defeated.

[Nikanet]

And they will be defeated anyway. Whether the Armenians have Su-35 or F-35. The war on that theater is not an aviation war.

[Oquzyurd]

"In your opinion, Nikanet, do the Armenians not need to arm themselves and resist?" The Armenians need to get away from the occupied territories. In this case, the opposing side is Azerbaijan, in the role of the occupier Armenia. To understand this, you do not need to be a genius, but you just need to look at the map.
If it goes like this, it will not be long that Azerbaijan will strongly depart from Russia, since the sale (donation) of weapons to the occupier has gone beyond all the framework of good-neighborliness, friendship and a reasonable approach to resolving the Karabakh issue. "We are not completely satisfied with the explanation of the Russian side; we are waiting for clarification on the basis on which the intensive arming of Armenia continues."
Since 1994, (imitation of the Minsk Group negotiation) Azerbaijan has been patiently waiting, never even made such statements. Apparently everything has an end, even long patience.

[Aleksandr1971]

The occupiers are Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey. And the territory of Armenia is at least 20 times larger than that which is now occupied by the Republic of Armenia. It is clear that Armenia will not return the former territory.

But so that there is no war, all the parties to this conflict must fix the current situation, recognize it as legal. Otherwise, there will be warriors for the restoration of the former historical borders. Moreover, the views of each side of the conflict will be appropriate: Azerbaijan will demand Karabakh, and Armenia will demand land from the times of Tigran II, that is, from the Mediterranean to the Caspian. And Turkey will demand land from the time of Suleiman the Magnificent.

This is the road to bloodshed and the involvement of other countries in it. Russia, NATO countries, the Persian Gulf countries, Iran and so on will inevitably be involved. Do we Russians need this? Not.

[Nikanet]

Yah! Did the Armenians tell you this?)) What tigran? Who is this tiger? Where is his face in history and the deed of sale for these lands? It's like you're lying, though))

[the finish]

This is the Tigran the Great whose minted coin I had the opportunity to contemplate in the Hermitage!

[Nikanet]

I've been to the Hermitage twice, but I haven't seen anything about any tigran. Your Armenian fantasies are already tired of.

[the finish]

East hall. There are also cuneiform tablets of Urartu and Assyria nearby.

[Nikanet]

And what relation does Urartu and Assyria have to the Armenians?

[the finish]

It is said, where is a showcase with coins, as a direction-targeting when you go to the Hermitage 3 times to look and carefully read who this coin is!

[Oquzyurd]

"And the territory of Armenia is at least 20 times larger" Don't you know that the biggest argument among Armenians for the occupation of Karabakh is, as you said, "for the restoration of the former historical borders." And that tyranchik? Thus, they have already begun, "Otherwise, there will be warriors for the restoration of the former historical borders." Where did you study, who taught you history, tovarisch? Or are you also a graduate of the "Armenian Globe"?

[Alkatrass A]

So, in order to know history, you need to learn from the textbooks of Azerbaijan? ... Isn't there a lot of honor ... And what can you find there if they are 100 years old ... And laughter and sin

[Oquzyurd]

"And laughter and sin" On your reasoning. How much you need to be .... and blind to write such nonsense.

[Alkatrass A]

Well, this is not nonsense, but facts remain facts .... Sometimes open the books of world historians. Before the revolution, no one even knew about you. Trying to compare your history with the history of Armenia is ridiculous.

[Oquzyurd]

"Before the revolution, no one even knew about you" Specifically, who are you talking about and who did not know?

[Aleksandr1971]

Russia, selling weapons to both Armenia and Azerbaijan, maintains a certain balance of power between them so that a big war does not occur. If one side weakens sharply, the other side will attack. And this is bad both for the weakened side and for the international situation in the region. It is clear that Azerbaijan does not really like Russia's position, but peace, even a bad one, is better than war.

[Aleksandr1971]

In your opinion, Nikanet, do Armenians not need to arm themselves and resist?
In your opinion, maybe we do not need to arm against the United States, because we are still weaker?

You, Nikanet, have defeatist views. During the Second World War, this was punished accordingly.

[Nikanet]

What does my argument have to do with the relationship between Russia and the United States? Which of these two countries do you associate Armenia with? I didn't seem to say anything about the Russian Federation at all. Or do you think that Armenia is a completely sovereign state and is pursuing a completely independent policy? If for me, then let a hundred squadrons take and carry apricots on them. My vision of the situation is such that the aviation of the Armenian Armed Forces inspires the same confidence as its fleet.

[orionvitt]

The Armenian Air Force is armed with four Su-30SM multifunctional fighters
before the Su-30SM was received in the Armenian Air Force, fighter aviation did not exist due to the lack of fighters

This is truly a "great" military power. But the ambition to heaven. Behind the back of Russia.

[GrigK]

Orionvitt, Imagine a sickly power in a particular region. Not everyone is measured by Russian scale and capabilities ...

[Nikanet]

Who is this power, Armenians or what? In the South Caucasus?

[KARAKURT777]

I remember they were offered to China for 85 million, the price on the domestic market is in the region of 27-28 million. Armenians may well strike Made in Armenia on a propeller and resell them to the Chinese for 50. (Shyutka) The Su-35 does not make the weather for them)))

[Aleksandr1971]

Contracts for the supply of weapons and military equipment almost always imply a prohibition on the buyer from reselling the purchased item, or to allow a third party to get acquainted with the purchased item.

However, practice shows that Russia, as a seller, buyers have repeatedly sent to such and such a mother. This is how the East Europeans gave amers a chance to get acquainted with Soviet technology, especially the S-300. The Indians, the way for them will be empty, gave amers to get acquainted with our nuclear submarine, leased to India. I will assume that the Turks will let amers familiarize themselves with the S-400. And the reason for such shameless behavior of buyers of Russian weapons in relation to Russia is that Russia is not very much respected and not afraid. And this must be corrected.

[Alkatrass A]

Quote: Nikanet

And they will be defeated anyway. Whether the Armenians have Su-35 or F-35. The war on that theater is not an aviation war.

And where did you get the idea that they will be defeated? Are you a military expert? Or maybe you know everything about the Armenian army in detail? Strange reasoning. However, it is not difficult to lie on the couch and carry anything.

[Nikanet]

Well, let's say I'm on the couch, and you're on a frisky stallion? Well, they will defeat it. Armenians will lose more than they gained. They created a state on foreign lands, and they also began to covet themselves on someone else's. And the Armenian army as such is not and will not be, it is one of the parts of the ZakVO.

[Alkatrass A]

Well, there is no Armenian army so, whose now can you do if you say so. Then nothing prevents you from "returning" Karabakh. Hurry up

[Alkatrass A]

I. Aliyev's nerves cannot be envied ...

[razved]

Armenia intends to purchase a new batch of Russian Su-30SM fighters

Is it necessary for them to sell Sushki, taking into account that the current government of Armenia is made up of solid Soros, and where Armenia will eventually go to a very big question

[Lara Croft]

Only Su-25 attack aircraft were in service with the country's Air Force.

It seems like 1 MiG-25 was ...

[GrigK]

Alexander 1971 - with all due respect, (I honestly respect your opinion and not for the sake of a word of mouth), and for all other Russian brothers and sisters. You are right, on account of the fact that the planes will be provided to Armenia on credit, but the Russian Federation has never forgiven any loan granted to Armenia. Everything is paid to the kopeck.
RF canceled debts to Cuba, Mozambique and many others, but not Armenia. And it is right. Armenians know how to work and pay debts and fight and defend themselves and their allies. Of course, the family is not without freaks ...

[GrigK]

Offended Azerbaijanis; - what are you missing? You have everything - oil, and other natural resources, "rich ancient history and culture." Live and prosper. Why do you need more land? - to kill the local population? and appropriate cultural and historical heritage? Or do you lack land.? The question is not in the territories, but in the right to live in your home. So, relax and have fun.

[Nikanet]

You will not have peace on those lands! These are not your lands and sooner or later you will have to leave!

[Oquzyurd]

"The question is not in the territories, but in the right to live in your home." You have destroyed and violated the right to life of 1 million Azerbaijanis in your home. We will restore their rights. What heritage do you have in Karabakh? Since 1836, by the decree of the Russian Tsar, the Armenianized Albanian Churches ??? At the beginning of the 19th century, the Armenians hacked by Griboyedov from Iran in Karabakh, what historical heritage can they have in these parts, in foreign lands, in which the tsarist government gave you shelter, land at the expense of the local population, and eventually created Armenia for you on the site of the Iravan Khanate .. They wandered between Byzantium and Persia for 1000 years, then the Seljuks and Ottomans are still at hand for another 1000 years. Where are your masterpiece buildings like fortresses, where are your poets, artists, scientists of those centuries? Where is your cultural heritage?

[the finish]

We invite you to visit Matenadaran to get acquainted with poets, scientists, philosophers, mathematicians, pharmacists, astronomers, with the works of Armenians of those centuries, in Armenian.

[GrigK]

Are you a historian or archaeologist? Aliyev told you?

[GrigK]

Go and see churches, fortresses and archaeological excavations of Armenian cities of the 1st century AD (which you did not manage to destroy, like in Nakhchivan). Do not be afraid you will not be touched, the Armenians do not hate the Azerbaijanis who visit us. I think you will understand the difference. Well, as a last resort, READ non-Azerbaijani sources (if you honestly want to know the truth). And there is no need to hiss with a snake. It won't give you anything.

[Oquzyurd]

"Go and see churches" Since 1836, by the decree of the Russian Tsar, the Armenianized Albanian Churches ??? From that date, I noticed that you are all scared like hell from fire.
"fortresses" (!?) Where are they? Photos and or videos in the studio. They are not there, especially in Karabakh and in Iravan. There was a fortress Revan-Gala (gala in translation - fortress) in Iravan, which you in the 20th century at the beginning partially , then completely demolished, as well as the palace of the Khan, in order to cover up the traces of the Turks from Iravan. https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/1337093/pub_5afc26209b403c2befaf63f6_5afc26254826770140525ec7/scale_1200 This is Roubaud's ward with views of Iravan, as a keepsake. In the picture is the surrender of the Turkic city to the Russian troops. you country from the Russian side.
"excavations" Yes, of course, "Urartu", which has the same relationship to you as the Martians have to the earth. All respected scholarly historians have long been saying that Urartu and the Armenians (more precisely) are different things.

[GrigK]

Not Iravan, but Yerevan. I don’t say Bakurakert, Gandzak, etc. although I think so. And since when did the Turks become the defenders of the Albanian Apostolic Church ???? And I don't need to prove anything to anyone.
Do you want to argue with Nikolai Marr or Piotrovsky ??? The flag is in your hands. Pen and paper to boot. Great thinker)))

[Oquzyurd]

"became the defenders of the Albanian Apostolic Church?" We are talking about cultural heritage, and these churches are not the heritage of Armenians. You better speak about it. We became defenders because there is a clear deception and misappropriation of a stranger from the side of the encampment brought in 1828 to these regions. 1828 and later. They brought you to these lands, just 8 years later, in 1836, they also donated all the Albanian churches to you. The scale of the deeds is amazing. The empire, for the sake of creating a "faithful" dog on the southern flank, did what it did not ... Now, the Grigors and Grigoryans speak without shame and conscience about the cultural heritage of Armenians in Karabakh. And if Grigor looks back 3-4 generations, then he will see for himself that his ancestors are newcomers, just like 95% of Armenians in the Caucasus.

[the finish]

How is the cultural heritage of the Khachkars in Nakhichevan, Julfa compared to the land of tractors?

[Nikanet]

How is the cultural heritage of Azerbaijani Turks doing in occupied Karabakh?

[the finish]

Fortress in the center of Tbilisi NariGala. Does this mean that Tbilisi is an ancient city of Adrbejan?

[Oquzyurd]

"NariGala" NarynGala first. No, Tbilisi is a city of Georgians, ancient and local people on Kakaz.
This fortress was built by the Georgians and was called Shuris Tsikhe. After the Mongol-Tatar conquest, they began to be called Naryn Gala. But Revan Gala was built by our ancestors, the Caucasian Turks, a fortress that you demolished, just like all the names of settlements, mountains and rivers, in an attempt to remove traces of everything Turkic in your new, next homeland (!).

[the finish]

You and you like you need to be treated, in a good European clinic, from this dependence Azerbaijani interpretation of history ...

[Krev]

Quote: Artashes 1971

But I would like to remind you (and perhaps make a discovery for you): the creator and general designer of the legendary Mig - twice Hero of the Soviet Union Artem Ivanovich (Ovannesovich) MikoyAN.

Well, about the creator of the sturgeon, then cut it back! Otherwise, mislead people. Here's a quote from Wikipedia I hate:

Experimental design bureau Artyom Mikoyan was founded on December 8, 1939 by order of the director of the Moscow aircraft plant number 1 named after. Aviakhim PA Voronin from the design bureau of the plant (chief designer NN Polikarpov) of an independent special design department (OKO) for the design and construction of the I-200 high-speed fighter ("X", ed. 61). Artyom Mikoyan was appointed head of the OKO. Mikoyan's deputy was the designer Mikhail Iosifovich Gurevich, who had previously worked in the design bureau of NN Polikarpov. The design bureau of the new design bureau was recruited from the employees of the Polikarpov design bureau.
The Mikoyan Design Bureau was handed over to the I-200 aircraft project, created under the leadership of Polikarpov, which was given the name MiG-1 (short for Mikoyan and Gurevich) in the new design bureau.

When it was appointed, the profile plant was allocated, the employees were given from the finished design bureau, the project for the seed was ready. All this does not appeal to the creator. Don't make a deserved person overdeserved. Not only his talents developed there.

[Krev]

Quote: Artashes 1971

And so on, you can still list. As you understand, these are all the Armenians who served their homeland, the USSR, for many years, and now work and serve for the good of Russia.

I am also very proud of the great Soviet people, whose homeland was the USSR, as well as my ancestors, who heroically worked for the benefit of our then great homeland.
But leave these conversations about nationalities and so on, then all were Soviet people. And many did not hesitate to say to themselves that they were Russian, such as J.V. Stalin - "I am Russian, of Georgian origin"... Under these conversations, all the disputes began who did more for the USSR, and who fed whom all the way. I believe that not everything is measured by money, for example, some subsidized republics within the USSR gave a lot of talented people who realized themselves thanks to the USSR.
Thanks to our ancestors!

[Krev]

Quote: Artashes 1971

Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Nelson Stepanyan! Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Artem Mikoyan! Hero of the Soviet Union, Air Marshal Armenak Khanferyants! That's who will fly! Do you still want to list?

Well, where do you find Soviet heroes now? Any former republic can do that, but they all don't fly anymore :)
We'll have to look exclusively among homegrown broad-minded Armenians.

[GrigK]

Do not worry. We will find it.

[Krev]

Are you hoping for Russian vacationers? It can break off here. They are officially working in Syria. Not until ...

[GrigK]

We rely only on ourselves. Do not flatter yourself. We do not hope for Russian. And why is this controversy? Do you want to say that we are nothing without you and never? Nobody can forbid you to think.

[Nikanet]

Quote: GrigK

You want to say that we are nothing without you and never?

Can you prove otherwise?
Just shut your eyes and imagine that the 102nd base left Armenia.
Not pinched anywhere?

[the finish]

Could you tell me that the rallies in Baku last week were not against Russia?

[Nikanet]

We'll give you a hint, just first your proofs and arguments!