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"Shortsighted people do not understand": China assessed the results of the annexation of Crimea to Russia

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"Shortsighted people do not understand": China assessed the results of the annexation of Crimea to Russia

The annexation of Crimea to Russia was an inevitable event that hit its finances hard, but Russia staked on the long term. This statement is made by the author of an article published in the Chinese edition of Sohu.


The author at the beginning of his text delves into historyto show the historical connection of the peninsula with Russia. In his opinion, until the 18th century, the peninsula was under the control of the Mongols, and in order to get rid of the Mongol encirclement, Russia seized Crimea in 1783, eventually Russifying its population. In 1954, Crimea was transferred to Ukraine, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Kiev did not need it, since the majority of the population adhered to the course towards Russia, while Ukraine "went to the West."

According to the publication, in Crimea they immediately realized that they were on their way with Russia, but not with Ukraine, so the entry of Crimea into Russia in 2014 can be considered only as an inevitable event.

At the same time, Russia's decision to annex Crimea is not an act of kindness that cost it nothing. This was a huge blow to Russian finances. The United States has teamed up with the Middle East and Europe, bringing down oil prices and hitting the Russian economy hard. Also, huge funds had to be invested in the development of the infrastructure of the peninsula and improving the well-being of the inhabitants of Crimea, which also became "a disaster for Russia" due to the stagnation of the economy.

However, in the long term, the value of the Crimean Peninsula, especially in geopolitical terms, significantly exceeds short-term economic losses. Thus, the author sums up, the annexation of Crimea shows that Russia has long-term plans that short-sighted people cannot understand.
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  1. Shuttle
    Shuttle 31 August 2020 09: 06 New
    35
    That is a rare case when such a publication as Sohu can report something corresponding to reality.
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 31 August 2020 09: 13 New
      27
      Quote: Shuttle
      It's a rare case when a publication like Sohu can report something good.

      I am you, and I agree with the article in everything. Special:
      the annexation of Crimea shows that Russia has long-term plans that short-sighted people cannot understand.

      But given quote:
      Until the 18th century, the peninsula was under the control of the Mongols, and in order to get rid of the Mongol encirclement, Russia in 1783 seized Crimea, eventually Russifying its population.

      I was completely broken in half with laughter. wassat
      Crimean Tatars are the same Mongols as I am a Martian !!! wassat
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 31 August 2020 09: 23 New
        24
        Quote: Evdokim
        I was completely broken in half with laughter.
        Crimean Tatars are the same Mongols as I am a Martian !!!

        Do not be surprised, for the Chinese, that the Mongols and the Tatars are all the same. Just like for us, all the inhabitants of China are Chinese, and the inhabitants of Africa are blacks.
        1. dSK
          dSK 31 August 2020 09: 42 New
          22
          How many Russian blood the Crimean khans drank in their time, how many cities they burned, the population was driven into slavery. In the Second World War, how many defenders of the Crimea were killed. With Konigsberg, the story is the same as the German knights brought troubles to Russia. But these "dragon teeth" were pulled out, a lot of sweat and blood was spilled.
        2. Andobor
          Andobor 31 August 2020 11: 33 New
          10
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Do not be surprised, for the Chinese, that the Mongols and the Tatars are all the same.

          To be fair, the Crimean Khan was the last ruling Chingizid, although of course he was no longer a Mongol.
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 31 August 2020 12: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: Andobor
            To be fair, the Crimean Khan was the last ruling Chingizid, although of course he was no longer a Mongol.

            Well, he was definitely not a "Tatar".
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 31 August 2020 11: 36 New
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Don't be surprised, for the Chinese, that Mongols and Tatars are all the same

          Well, everything is logical. They believe that since the yoke was Tatar-Mongolian, what difference does it make how to call them.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 31 August 2020 13: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            the yoke was Tatar-Mongol

            If only someone else clearly explained who these mythical "Tatar-Mongols" were, it would be good at all. Something happened, no doubt, but the tales about the Mongols who came from the steppes of Mongolia are already beyond the bounds.
            1. Ryusey
              Ryusey 31 August 2020 14: 58 New
              +4
              Well, in due time it was necessary to study, and not to smoke gobies in the alley).
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt 1 September 2020 13: 22 New
                0
                So I say, it was necessary to study so as not to believe in fairy tales. Which is what I wish for you.
      2. AAK
        AAK 31 August 2020 09: 44 New
        +9
        Colleague, actually the dynasty of the Crimean khans Gireev (Geraev) - Chingizids
        1. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 31 August 2020 10: 00 New
          -9
          Quote: AAK
          the dynasty of the Crimean khans Gireev (Geraev) - Chingizids

          Scratch a Russian - you will find a Tatar :-)
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 31 August 2020 10: 52 New
            13
            Quote: adam khomich
            Scratch a Russian - you will find a Tatar

            Also scratch a Tatar - you will find a Russian.
      3. Alexy
        Alexy 31 August 2020 17: 36 New
        +2
        The Crimean Khanate broke away from the Golden Horde. So, in a sense, the author is right.
      4. nnz226
        nnz226 2 September 2020 11: 08 New
        0
        Crimean Tatars, like Kazan Tatars, are descendants of immigrants from the Golden Horde, which was very multinational when it "settled" on the banks of the Volga, having conquered half the world before that, but the Chinese perceive the Golden Horde as a work of the Mongols, so there is no contradiction .. ...
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 31 August 2020 09: 30 New
      +7
      "Shortsighted people do not understand": China assessed the results of the annexation of Crimea to Russia
      fool 6 years later? How is it in Chinese or ...... in Estonian?
    3. halpat
      halpat 31 August 2020 10: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Shuttle
      That is a rare case when such a publication as Sohu can report something corresponding to reality.

      Rare, rare, but as one of my acquaintances used to say: “KazAlo-MazAlo”. If the translation is correct.
      What kind of Mongols? :) and so on
    4. Private89
      Private89 1 September 2020 19: 08 New
      +2
      And people at that time think:
      "We returned Crimea, we will return Russia too!"
  2. Mouse
    Mouse 31 August 2020 09: 08 New
    24
    We just came for our ... yes
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 31 August 2020 09: 15 New
      31
      It couldn't be better, except that Bismarck could, Otto von who ...
      “Do not hope that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don’t rely on the Jesuit agreements that you allegedly justify you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with the Russians either honestly or not at all. "[/ I]
      1. snake
        snake 31 August 2020 11: 21 New
        -8
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.

        It is sad to perceive this cheap pathos against the background of the robbery of Russians by their own authorities and the export of billions of dollars from Russia ... As if there was no devaluation of Soviet savings on savings books, pension reforms and other experiments ...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 31 August 2020 09: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: Mouse
      We just came for our ... yes

      Hi Vasily hi
      Who doesn't remember Bismarck? laughing
      Do not hope that once you take advantage of the weakness of the Russians, you will receive dividends forever ...

      On Crimea, for me the issue was closed in the same year 14 E.

      I remember somewhere I saw documents that in ... Persia we also used to be what Vasily, I think you saw these documents too wink
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 31 August 2020 09: 34 New
        11
        Gennady, welcome! hi
        Where we just were ... in the same California - Fort Ross ...
      2. dSK
        dSK 31 August 2020 09: 54 New
        +8
        Russians have lived in Donbas since the time of baptism and the formation of Russia.
        For the sake of momentary interests, grandfather Lenin gave him up, driving a "Donbass wedge" into the body of Russia all the way to Rostov. It will be returned, the return price may be higher than the Crimean one.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 31 August 2020 09: 58 New
          +8
          Quote: dsk
          It will be returned, the return price may be higher than the Crimean one.

          De facto, the price has already been paid (both human and sanctioned), it remains to issue de jure.
          And, here they interfere - foreign treasures, real estate and offshore ...
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 31 August 2020 17: 32 New
            +5
            Quote: Terenin
            foreign treasures, real estate and offshore ...

            Just here we need to pause and make a note: assets, offshore companies, shares and dividends in accounts are a consequence of the actions of liber thieves who have merged with our government and have been robbing the population of Russia all these 30 years .. yes .
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 31 August 2020 17: 46 New
              +6
              Quote: hydrox
              Just here you need to pause

              Here, just, you do not need to stop, but quickly throw them out of power, and then ... like a tablecloth ...
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 31 August 2020 17: 53 New
                +2
                With this problem ...
                "Quickly throw it away" - yes, they will do it themselves, but only leaving us without pants, but with international legal right to EVERYTHING we have stolen, while having the REASONS to regain the ACTUAL rights to assets geographically tied to Russia , even with the use of occupation.
                1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                  DymOk_v_dYmke 31 August 2020 23: 54 New
                  +3
                  Quote: hydrox
                  "Throw it out quickly" - yes, they will do it themselves, but only at the same time leaving us without pants,

                  "Pants" and so do not warm us. hi
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 1 September 2020 07: 58 New
                    +1
                    For 2 years now, we have been vaguely, but very persistently, they have been promising that a fight against the oligarchy is about to begin, but the feeling is only growing that it is impossible to cut the "shovel" of the alloy of power and oligarchy in the foreseeable period of time with any plasma cutter ...
                    "It's a pity only to live in this wonderful time, neither me, nor you" (c).
                    And the Guarantor has nowhere to hurry, a place in immortality has already been prepared for him - one need not accelerate the shortening of the years of life. crying
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 31 August 2020 09: 09 New
    +8
    However, in the long run, the value

    Victory is very expensive !!! not so rare in world history / practice!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 31 August 2020 09: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      However, in the long run, the value

      Victory is very expensive !!! not so rare in world history / practice!
      Yes! Victory is expensive! But it became necessary due to the destruction of the USSR! turns out then ----
      The destruction of the USSR - brought, brings, will bring only negative consequences.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 August 2020 09: 50 New
        +9
        We will not feel sorry for ourselves ... we wound ourselves on a mustache and begin to build a new one, preferably better than it was!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 31 August 2020 09: 59 New
          +4
          Do not regret, but understand and assess what is happening accordingly! That's what!
          It is impossible not to remember suitable negative repeat Russian liberalism in words am , talking about the belonging of the Crimea. It still happens!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 31 August 2020 10: 22 New
            +3
            Dmitry, burrowing in the analysis of the past is fraught! Much simply never repeats itself, much arises for the first time, and some useful things, the very essence, must be determined FASTER!
            We are already lagging behind constantly, we do not keep up with the events ... we need to be faster, so common sense will help us!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 31 August 2020 10: 51 New
              +2
              And I still --- the mistakes of the past --- learn! By heart, so as not to lag behind, but immediately cut off the useless, so as not to repeat ---
              ...... never was, and now yell.......
              In order not to walk on a rake.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 31 August 2020 11: 12 New
                +2
                Time ...
                From us, little that depends, you can engage in research endlessly.
                But those on whom a lot / everything depends, should have long begun to work, to carry out their plans ... there are many stages on that path, many adjustments will have to be made.
                You cannot create a perfect plan, IN ANY DIFFICULT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN!
                Yes, we won't have to trample on the old rake ... but there will certainly be new ones!
  4. Pereira
    Pereira 31 August 2020 09: 10 New
    +8
    The annexation of Taiwan will also hit China's finances.
    But China also has long-term plans.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 August 2020 09: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      The annexation of Taiwan will also hit China's finances.

      Taiwan has both industry and a good economy, so there will be no blow to China's finances, unlike the devastation that remained after Ukraine.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 31 August 2020 09: 36 New
        +8
        Taiwan has a good economy. But after the reunification, there will be a rupture of economic ties with a halt in production + sanctions + possible losses from hostilities.
        The blow will be.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 31 August 2020 09: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      Taiwan's accession will also hit China's finances

      good good hi Maybe there is such an article in Sohu's editorial portfolio?
      1. IGU
        IGU 31 August 2020 12: 05 New
        -3
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Quote: Pereira
        Taiwan's accession will also hit China's finances

        good good hi Maybe there is such an article in Sohu's editorial portfolio?

        Imagine an article:
        Until the XII century, the island was under the control of the Vietnamese or the same Mongols, and in order to get rid of the Mongol encirclement, China captured Taiwan in 1360 ... wink
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 31 August 2020 15: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      The annexation of Taiwan will also hit China's finances.
      But China also has long-term plans.

      One and a half billion population and the first economy in the world ... The population is ten times larger than ours! They will swallow this Taiwan and will not notice ... Until they can .. America holds the Chinese by the throat tightly and rigidly ..
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 31 August 2020 15: 32 New
        +1
        If they do not swallow, then something interferes. And it's not just ships and planes.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 31 August 2020 15: 38 New
          -1
          The Americans also interfere .. They will cut off the causal place to the Chinese for the most I do not want.
      2. kytx
        kytx 1 September 2020 11: 59 New
        +1
        It also seems to me that China is not afraid of financial losses, and they will not be large. Taiwan is not allowed to take outside forces. And the people of Taiwan will simply have to come to terms with their situation.
  5. dobrik10
    dobrik10 31 August 2020 09: 16 New
    +5
    The author writes from the point of view of logic, but everything is much simpler ... And more complicated of course, but this is life
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 31 August 2020 11: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: dobrik10
      The author writes from the point of view of logic, but everything is much simpler ... And more complicated of course, but this is life

      I agree with you, as well as the fact that we got the Crimea practically free of charge and its annexation cost us cheaper than the Kaliningrad region and the Kuril Islands. Moreover, we received almost 2,5 million new citizens, most of whom are Russian people who are loyal to Russia, and this alone justifies all the costs of annexing Crimea. In the conditions of an aging population in all developed countries, obtaining such a human resource with its own territory, when they do not need to be given housing, is just a direct profit for Russia, but not everyone knows how to calculate it, and the Chinese are cunning too, who are masters of creating their own tea houses. -towns in all countries. And the integration of Crimea into the all-Russian economy is already making a profit, and for this it is just enough to visit the Crimean stores, in which a huge amount of the same furniture and cars are produced in the central regions of Russia. And the Crimean ports have been handling grain all this time, despite the sanctions, and this is a great help to our agricultural producers. So everything is really much simpler - we received an excellent gift from Svidomo, who, by their stupidity, brought the Crimeans to the point that at the first opportunity they rebelled and joined Russia. Thanks to the Maidan - it is a pity that they do not start a new one, so that they forget about Donbass and he joined Russia.
  6. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 31 August 2020 09: 18 New
    +2
    however, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Kiev did not need it
    The territory can and is needed only here on people do not care and people in Crimea are not a servile appendage to the territory as in 404 and have their own heads.
  7. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 31 August 2020 09: 19 New
    +6
    According to the publication, in Crimea they immediately realized that they were on their way with Russia, but not with Ukraine, so the entry of Crimea into Russia in 2014 can be considered only as an inevitable event.
    This is how sane people think. Even the same non-landowners can see that Crimea will never follow the European path, unlike Ukraine. Also, Donbass will not follow this path. The influence of the Zapedena-Galician ideology and propaganda completely reformatted the consciousness of all Ukraine. It's time to understand that no forces will keep neither Crimea nor Donbass as part of a pro-Western Ukraine. It’s just an extra waste of money on propaganda, which is not available in Ukraine anyway, and they don’t lend money without prepayment.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 31 August 2020 09: 46 New
      +1
      Yes, in fact, Donbass is also Russian land. Selyukov decided to dilute this in his time in this way, so it was alien and burped.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 31 August 2020 18: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The influence of the Zapedena-Galician ideology and propaganda completely reformatted the consciousness of all Ukraine.

      1. There is NO Galician ideology (the Panamas could not bring up their slaves, developing for them an "encyclopedia of obedience" (rods in the stable - that's all education!)), Therefore what you call IDEOLOGY is slavery absorbed from the mother milk of generations of feudalism, from which the Galicians did not come out to this day.
      2. Galicianism is a genetically bred servitude, and it cannot be perceived by the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine in isolation from the Galician rural life - the Galician ideology works only in the environment of exactly the same aura of everyday life.
      3. One has only to clear the Ukrainian land of the Galicians, as the medieval haze, brought up by them in the population, will begin to dissolve in the existence of a modern way of life.
      Something like that.
  8. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 31 August 2020 09: 31 New
    -3
    Under the control of whom ?! What is this plague ?! Who is more inadequate here - the Chinese author of the text, or the translator? If a Chinese, then such compliments from illiterate mugs should not be accepted. They insult, not uplift. To be popular with the mindless is a dubious achievement. If a translator, well ... a threepenny job for millions from the government is a common thing with us now. Here are just the benefits of it ...
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 August 2020 10: 02 New
    +3
    Has the preparation of public opinion begun? In China, and so they consider Taiwan to be their own? Sokhu only comment on VO? The Chinese tiger felt the death of the American coyote?! wink
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 August 2020 11: 37 New
      -1
      In China, not only Taiwan is considered "their".
      So I wouldn't be too happy. Taiwan will be followed by
      other "primordially Chinese" lands.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 31 August 2020 12: 20 New
        +2
        Is it possible that the Chinese are looking towards the Mediterranean Sea? It is quite possible, because we have 1500 "peacekeepers", the Chinese do not have 300, but 200 of them appear. tongue
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 31 August 2020 20: 36 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Taiwan will be followed by
        other "primordially Chinese" lands.

        And somehow, at the wrong time, Denikin's words came to mind "... and in the depths of China a new Genghis Khan is ripening."
  10. svp67
    svp67 31 August 2020 10: 02 New
    +7
    Crimea is a unique place, not only because of its climate and natural conditions, but of course its location and, of course, military significance. With the complete loss of Crimea, and what should have happened in 2017, Russia would have lost not only its main base of the Black Sea Fleet, but would also receive NATO troops, with strike weapons there, which means the entire Black Sea, our granaries - Krasnodar and Stavropol the edge, the Caucasus, Rostov, Voronezh regions would be within a minute's reach for a strike.
    1. kytx
      kytx 1 September 2020 12: 08 New
      0
      The Turks have an old saying
      Who sits in the Crimea owns the Black Sea
  11. Livonetc
    Livonetc 31 August 2020 10: 26 New
    +3
    The Chinese should look for analogies to the upcoming annexation of Taiwan.
    And it doesn't matter in the short or long term.
    This is inevitable.
    How inevitable are the consequences of such a step.
    Therefore, the experience of the annexation of Crimea is interesting and very important for China.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 August 2020 10: 37 New
    +4
    in the long term, the value of the Crimean peninsula, especially in geopolitical terms, significantly exceeds short-term economic losses
    I agree. But it should be added that in the short term, Russia saved 2 people from what was happening in Ukraine and made it possible to return to Russia. And it costs a lot.
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 31 August 2020 17: 43 New
      0
      In the same way, Russia rescued from the Crimean Tatar slavery after the annexation of Serbs, Greeks, Ukrainians, Armenians. And so that the khans did not profit from their slave labor, they were resettled from the Crimea. Serbs, in the present Luhansk region (the city of Slavyanoserbsk), Greeks, in Volnovakha district of Donetsk region, Russians and Ukrainians were returned to their lands. And the freed were given freedom.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 31 August 2020 10: 50 New
    +4
    However, in the long term, the value of the Crimean Peninsula, especially in geopolitical terms, significantly exceeds short-term economic losses.

    And in military terms, it allows you to control the region, no matter what forces the enemy has. It was not for nothing that the US Navy was so interested in Crimea and was preparing to occupy it under its base.
  14. thinker
    thinker 31 August 2020 15: 34 New
    +1
    And by the way, VO in Chinese is more popular than in Russian request
  15. boris epstein
    boris epstein 31 August 2020 17: 38 New
    0
    The Mongols themselves in the attack on Russia in the Horde were already few. On the way, they enrolled the tribes they had defeated into the Horde. Those who did not obey were destroyed. Before the Mongol-Tatars, there were Greek city-policies on the Crimean coast, while the Khazars, Pechenegs, Polovtsians, Nogais and Kipchaks roamed north of the Crimea and up to the Caspian Sea. This is how the Nogai and Kipchaks became part of the Horde and began to possess the Crimea. After all, the Horde was not united. There were the Golden Horde, Blue Horde, White Horde. After the ragrom of the Golden Horde, not having the strength to resist the growing Rus (and Russia four times tried to return the Crimea, three times unsuccessfully, Minikh and Golitsyn twice), the Nogais and Kipchaks became citizens of Turkey. After all, Dolgorukov, Potemkin and Suvorov fought for Crimea not only with the Crimean Tatars, but also with the Turkish army. And the Crimean Tatars went to Moscow eight times, twice a year they raided southern Russia - they plundered, killed, burned, led away the full. Therefore, the elimination of this constant threat was necessary and inevitable.
  16. ivymotek
    ivymotek 31 August 2020 17: 51 New
    -2
    I read the comments .. Amazing people, who of those who wrote these comments was born, studied and lived in the Crimea? Who in general really knows the mentality of the Crimean people, not from visiting as a resort traveler, to the people there? I am the third generation of Crimeans, I don’t live there now, but I, as a Crimean, will never be able to understand why Putin arranged Crimea in 2014 ... To smash our own economy and plunge our citizens into poverty? That all the problems in the Russian Federation itself have been solved and there is nowhere to put money? Russian taxpayers, pence, someone asked what the next Putin's idea would cost them ??? What does this Crimea decide for Russia from a military point of view in terms of modern weapons ??? As a Crimean, I think 2014 is Putin's huge mistake in what he did. Crimea and Donbass were not worth the loss of Ukraine as a friendly country, those economic losses that the Russian Federation bears were not worth the Crimea.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 31 August 2020 19: 41 New
      -1
      Well, what kind of a Crimean are you if you don't actually live in it? ... This is a turn!
      And I am a Muscovite. Although I don't live in Moscow. But he lived (three years).
      Unlike you, I live here. And it is for you that the PRC is already popularly chewing in an article for you (albeit in a nutshell) - what is the price / bandy ...
      Not! Again twenty-six! ...
      1. ivymotek
        ivymotek 31 August 2020 23: 07 New
        -2
        I have been to Crimea regularly until 2014, and then what? From the fact that you live in Crimea (from what year ??) what follows ??? I don't need to chew, chew, for example, Vasya from the Urals, who knows the Crimea and the local layouts, as I know the Moscow or Rostov layouts. I do not discuss what I have no idea about and what I don’t know. I know everything for Crimea, from who of the current leaders did in the 90s, up to 2014. I had a business in Crimea. By the way, my mother-in-law lives in the Crimea. We want to pick it up from there.
        1. kytx
          kytx 1 September 2020 12: 27 New
          +1
          This is not about "Crimean layouts" but about the fact that with the loss of Crimea, Russia would simply be kicked out of the Black Sea
          and then it doesn't matter who was doing what in the 90s
          Regarding the military significance of Crimea, you generally argued complete nonsense, no matter what kind of modern weapons or the 18th century, it has now become even more important
          1. ivymotek
            ivymotek 1 September 2020 13: 25 New
            -2
            I do not understand you, forgive me, what is in Crimea, what is not in another place ?? That, if desired, it is theoretically impossible to destroy the entire base of the Russian Navy in the Crimea without entering the Black Sea at all. What is worse, for example, to supply missiles in Poland, or in Ukraine? How long is the flight time to Moscow ??? Why is this Crimea so surrendered to you? For me, it was better to maintain excellent relations with Ukraine than to seize Crimea. But this is my opinion of a Crimean resident, a citizen of Ukraine, that in the head of your warriors, I do not understand for a long time what they are doing ... The Russian Federation has the art of creating enemies for itself out of the blue. for what? What for?
            1. kytx
              kytx 1 September 2020 19: 27 New
              +1
              Crimea is a wonderful springboard for everything that may be needed and much has already appeared there from it you can control the Black Sea and its surroundings
              I cited above the old Turkish saying: who sits in Krymutot owns the Black Sea.
              and Ukraine has never been particularly "friendly".
              We just wanted to think so, but the government was stupidly thought: where are they going to get away from us ?! And he did not deal with the completely Ukrainian issue.
              And now what kind of friendship to speak of when they officially call the Russian Federation an aggressor, carry out violent de-Russification, openly torn into a military bloc of potential adversaries, not to mention artificially severed economic ties, open provocations (moreover, clumsy)
              with or without Crimea, everything is one, so it's better with Crimea.
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                1. kytx
                  kytx 2 September 2020 01: 59 New
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                  Donbass did not burn because of the Crimea, having started your Nazis with the support and approval of the warriors. The events in Odessa scared many, it became obvious that all this chaos was serious and with the full approval of the authorities.
                  And a very large percentage of Russians live in the Donbass (according to their passport, but according to their mentality) and they cannot be converted into Ukrainians in six months, there remains only terror and intimidation, which is what they actually do.
                  I followed the OBD from the very beginning, and I can see that the militia was gradually massively involved in the conflict, when it became clear that there was no other way.
                  And no one lost Ukraine, "Scrapbook is not needed, Volodya." (c) KDD cinema
                  1. kytx
                    kytx 2 September 2020 02: 03 New
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                    And they are oligarchs everywhere
                    what are ours what are yours what are Kazakh (for example)
                  2. ivymotek
                    ivymotek 2 September 2020 09: 52 New
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                    Bullshit. Russians, not Russians, this is a fictional problem. We have 1200 Russian-speaking people in Israel, although Russian is de facto a popular colloquial language in Israel, but it is not a state language, and it must be the case that one does not learn from it. So what? Why are they shouting that Russian speakers are being oppressed? Why are you so naive? Why do you believe in such nonsense that Russian speakers are being oppressed in Donbass? Well, there are some who are talking nonsense about Russian-speaking people, we have the same in Israel, but they have nothing to do with it and they are considered as clowns. If you live in Ukraine, it is desirable to know the language of the country, and I do not see anything criminal in this. You don't need to force your tongue. But no one starts a war because of the language or mentality. Mentality you say ... the majority of our people who have lived a significant part of their life in the USSR have a scoop mentality, so what? Odessa you say, but you did not know what was there? There, the zaslanians did not succeed in doing what they did in Donbass, and thank God. For the Russian Federation, Ukraine is still lost there. In Ukraine, many stupid things and mistakes have been made, but what Putin has done in Russia in 000 years will have to be raked for another 20 years, you will forgive me.
              2. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 1 September 2020 23: 42 New
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                Quote: kytx
                Crimea is a wonderful springboard for everything that may be needed and much has already appeared there from it you can control the Black Sea and its surroundings


                The Black Sea is a puddle, it can be controlled from the Marmara Sea. And from Tuapse. Crimea has no "geopolitical value".
                1. ivymotek
                  ivymotek 2 September 2020 10: 52 New
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                  You are right, I think the same way. Crimea could have been made a worthy international resort ... But Putin doesn't need this, he has his own resorts ...
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 2 September 2020 10: 56 New
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                    This requires a lot of money. And you will have to compete with Turkey, in which the holiday season is longer.
        2. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 1 September 2020 22: 17 New
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          "? From the fact that you live in Crimea (from what year ??"
          Since one thousand nine hundred and seventy-five, nice people. Here they will bury me. Therefore, do not teach grandmother to cough. I do not like this business.
          1. ivymotek
            ivymotek 2 September 2020 10: 50 New
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            Grandma, I've been since 1969 for your attention. In all likelihood, we did live in a different Crimea, I realized this long ago since 2014.
  17. RealPilot
    RealPilot 1 September 2020 21: 50 New
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    And then, God forbid, they will write this about Belarus! wink
  18. geologist
    geologist 2 September 2020 11: 59 New
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    Crimea has changed significantly compared to 2014. There are a lot of expensive modern cars with local numbers on the roads. If earlier in the 90s the streets were practically empty - occasionally a lone cyclist or a trolleybus will pass by, but now there is nowhere to park from the abundance of jeeps and brand new cars, and after all, before the main transport was Zhigulenk women of the last century or Cossacks. By the way, I also sometimes have to drive a Zhiguli. on the gravel of highways under construction, it goes softer than a jeep. The roads in Ukraine were like after the bombing, but today many streets are milled and sparkle with new asphalt. It cannot be said that the Crimeans are happy with everything. Here they continue to consider Moscow as a miserable, insignificant dilapidated town, and Lviv or Warsaw as fabulously beautiful megacities. To the question “have you been to Moscow?” They shrug their shoulders - you are joking about this, I know everything. Of course, people who have lost their business are unhappy, and the rogue, on the contrary, receive decent child benefits, which they never dreamed of. people have money to eat and drink well. At the same time, prices have gone up infinitely. Previously, cognac, wine, meat were several times cheaper than in the Far East of Russia. You could buy quite a decent cognac for 250 rubles. Wines were tastier and now I am scouring the shops in search of disappearing stocks of wines until 2014. For some reason I don’t like new batches of wines from the harvests of recent years. Perhaps the technology has changed. the post office works - they will even bring newspapers and pensions to distant farms ... "Only the smell of thyme is dry and bitter, and this sleepy Crimea. And this cypress and this house nestled at the foot of the mountain ..
    1. ivymotek
      ivymotek 2 September 2020 21: 55 New
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      I returned for the first time to Crimea after all the foreign countries (and this is Israel, Canada, the USA) in 2005, and the last time was in 1995, so I had something to compare with. Crimea in the 90s and in 2000s there was heaven and earth. Crimea has gone far ahead since the 90s, both in terms of income of the Crimeans, and in terms of service, shopping, housing. Roads yes, bad, but that in Russia all the roads in 2000 were ideal, with the grandmothers who then poured into the Russian Federation ??? And what is Russia itself? Moscow and St. Petersburg as separate states, rollbacks 150 km from Moscow, people have no gas. And what are the salaries in Crimea now? This is ridiculous. In general, they changed everything. Russia is rich on TV, as the Crimeans were told, and not in fact, in fact, a poor country, with a poor population, where a handful of people own huge wealth and income, everything is concentrated in the hands of a group of people, oligarchs close to Putin.