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Had 6 hours of practical driving: the details of the investigation into the death of the M2A3 Bradley driver were announced in the USA

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The US military has decided to reform the training program for armored vehicle drivers and to dismiss three junior commanders at the Humphries base in South Korea.


This is the reaction of the command after investigating the specific reasons for the death of 20-year-old American serviceman Nicholas Panipinto. The soldier died last year while driving a Bradley combat vehicle at the said American military base during routine training. Then two more American soldiers were injured and injured.

During the investigation, it turned out that Panipinto at that time had only six hours of practical driving of a combat vehicle - before being sent to South Korea.

The mother of the deceased soldier says that the firing of three junior commanders at Humphreys is a "scapegoat":

Senior command is unwilling to be held accountable when tragedies occur. Three representatives of the lower command staff were thrown under the rink, and they themselves want to evade responsibility.

The mother of the deceased soldier claims that he did not even have time to get a certificate for the right to drive the M2A3 Bradley.

Additionally, it turned out that on the day of the tragic incident, there were serious problems with sending the wounded Nicholas Panipinto to the hospital. The dispatch took place only two hours after the accident with the armored vehicle. The reason, as stated, was that the M2A3 Bradley had a faulty communications system. And the helicopter, which was supposed to transport the seriously injured soldier, initially delivered him to the wrong place.

From the report of the US Congressional Research Committee:

32% of deaths in active military service between 2006 and 2018 were the result of accidents. During hostilities - 16%.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 August 2020 07: 15 New
    -2
    This does not remind you of anything. For those who are especially forgetful on June 22, 1941. Our mechanic drivers had more driving hours even then. And some here suggest to be equal to these? wassat
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 31 August 2020 07: 24 New
      18
      You remembered this date out of place ... what here there is sloppiness and a violation of safety measures which, as you know, is written in blood.
      In our army, too, many similar cases occur from time to time. hi
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 31 August 2020 07: 47 New
        20
        During the investigation, it turned out that Panipinto at that time had only six hours of practical driving of a combat vehicle - before being sent to South Korea.

        A case from my practice.
        While the unit was at the training ground, the command was given the opportunity for those who wish master driving BMP-1.
        As a result, all servicemen, who previously did not have the skills to drive a fairly large tracked vehicle, but who had the skill of driving cars with manual transmission, literally in minutes, with the help of an instructor, mastered the launch of the car and quite confidently passed the driving route.

        IN MINUTES.

        Therefore "six hours of practical driving"This is either a fiction on paper, an unsubscribe from the command, or the mechanic was an oak-oak tree, or the training of drivers is structured in such a way that they teach so that they do not teach anything ...
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 31 August 2020 07: 57 New
          +5
          IN MINUTES.

          Therefore, "six hours of practical driving" is either a fiction on paper, an unsubscription from the command, or the mechanic was an oak-oak, or the training of drivers is structured in such a way that they teach so that they do not teach anything ..




          This happens everywhere, be it the United States or Russia - it doesn't matter.
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 31 August 2020 08: 00 New
          -1
          An armored personnel carrier, I would understand, is by and large familiar there. But what about the skills of driving a car and so fast BMP? Looks like talented guys served you. hi
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 31 August 2020 08: 09 New
            +6
            Quote: Captive
            An armored personnel carrier, I would understand, is by and large familiar there. But what about the skills of driving a car and so fast BMP? Looks like talented guys served you.

            Well, the guys are not 18-20, but under 30-40 ... Not kids.

            Separately, I note that the skill of driving an infantry fighting vehicle, in general the experience of driving / servicing a car or a tractor, especially a diesel engine, which will become known to the command, is the risk that you will be persistently "recruited" into mech.water, which for several reasons (in our conditions ) not good wassat
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 31 August 2020 12: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: Insurgent
              Separately, I note that the skill of driving an infantry fighting vehicle, in general the experience of driving / servicing a car or a tractor, especially a diesel engine, which will become known to the command, is the risk that you will be persistently "recruited" into mech.water, which for several reasons (in our conditions ) not good wassat

              as far as I remember there is a height restriction ... And so yes, we had 2 second infantry fighting vehicles and two eight-wheeled armored personnel carriers and one second mess, so the battalion commander voluntarily forced the whole platoon to learn how to use at least the "teapot" level .. ...
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 31 August 2020 12: 18 New
                +3
                Quote: PSih2097
                as far as I remember there is a height restriction ...

                Yes laughing laughing laughing , I have a mechanical drive hatch, when I sometimes sat in his place, without a headset I just rested against the top of my head wassat
                Size is not mine no lol

                Quote: PSih2097
                The battalion commander voluntarily forced the whole platoon to learn how to use it at least at the level of a "teapot" ...


                What can I say ... You are lucky in this regard with the battalion commander yes Preparing for battle survival ...
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 31 August 2020 12: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Yes, laughing laughing laughing, I have a mechanical drive hatch, when I sometimes sat down in his place, without a headset I just rested against the top of my head wassat

                  my head was half sticking out of the hatch. laughing sorry there are no photos (left with a friend from Krasnoyarsk).
            2. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 31 August 2020 12: 32 New
              0
              will they "recruit"? It's funny .. since when did the army begin to beg someone ..
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 31 August 2020 12: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                will they "recruit"? It's funny .. since when did the army begin to beg someone ..

                laughing In the NM (militia) of the DPR / LPR?
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 31 August 2020 12: 35 New
                  0
                  nuuu, then only double basses and then at will ..
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 31 August 2020 12: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris Chernikov
                    nuuu, then only double basses and then at will ..

                    So with us all volunteer contractors ...
        3. EvilLion
          EvilLion 31 August 2020 09: 00 New
          +1
          Only an instructor was sitting next to him and obviously driving along the road, albeit in the form of a track. What happened here FIG knows, in the armored vehicle there is still a review so-so, in any.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 31 August 2020 09: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: EvilLion
            Only an instructor was sitting next to him and obviously driving along the road, albeit in the form of a track. What happened here FIG knows, in the armored vehicle there is still a review so-so, in any.

            Yes, on the training ground, on the driving track. The instructor is not very close, but behind the mechanic, in the commander's place. Maybe if something happens, move his foot on the head lol yes
            I must also note that training began with the hatch open and the seat raised ...

            But I repeat, people who had never driven an infantry fighting vehicle before at all, but among them, even despite the shortness of the training course, there were people who gassed on straight sections of the route so that the command's caps were raised laughing
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 31 August 2020 09: 09 New
              +1
              At 19, there is no fear. Apparently, nature has invented it so that not all males live up to 30, but only the best.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 31 August 2020 09: 11 New
                +6
                Quote: EvilLion
                At 19, there is no fear.

                And I'm not writing about 19 year olds. If you look at it, then our drugs, the contingent, are generally quite old ...
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 31 August 2020 10: 26 New
              -1
              Quote: Insurgent
              But I repeat, people who had never driven an infantry fighting vehicle before at all sat at the wheel.

              Maybe bulldozer tractor drivers. They are usually directed primarily to tracked armored vehicles
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 31 August 2020 11: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Piramidon
                Maybe bulldozer tractor drivers. They are usually directed primarily to tracked armored vehicles

                Do not try to discern in my comment what is not there.

                I will explain again that loaders, sailors of the merchant fleet, welders, miners, the "popcart-overseer" of the ITU, and other contingent from
                motorized infantry militias who previously did not have the skill of handling tracked vehicles.
                "Tractor-bulldozer drivers", or those who served as an urgent mechanic for BMP, MTLB, tank, are "caught" back in the military registration and enlistment office ...
        4. grandfather_Kostya
          grandfather_Kostya 31 August 2020 10: 03 New
          +3
          Similarly, before studying at the university, our group was sent to "reclaim" to collect stones and sticks from the fields on an iron sheet behind the tractor. In the very first days, several guys learned to drive a tractor across the field, and then they put the girls at the levers. The collective farm tractor driver spent the whole month playing cards in the furrow with his friends.
      2. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 31 August 2020 08: 45 New
        +1
        I remember my military department ... After graduating from it and 2 months of training, I had the skill of practical driving a tank for a maximum of 1,5-2 hours. Here's a tank jacket. repeat
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 31 August 2020 08: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          had the skill of practical driving a tank for a maximum of 1,5-2 hours

          How did you feel at the time behind the levers?
          And what would you get for another 4 extra hours of driving (for a total of 6)?
          1. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 31 August 2020 08: 50 New
            0
            1. Like a monkey with a grenade.
            2. Nothing.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 31 August 2020 08: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: LIONnvrsk
              1. Like a monkey with a grenade.
              2. Nothing.

              That is, you could not even start the engine on your own (provided that the technical parameters, oil, etc. are normal), and at least elementarily go through the driving route at the tankodrome under the guidance of an instructor who controls your actions?
              1. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 31 August 2020 09: 00 New
                +1
                Theoretically it could have started, but it was not jammed, tk. there were no batteries and no air. And the route passed twice, with an Asian conscript sitting on the armor.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 31 August 2020 09: 15 New
                  +5
                  Quote: LIONnvrsk
                  And the route passed twice, with an Asian conscript sitting on the armor.

                  Asian conscript, "disposable" kamikaze? belay Or was it tightly screwed to the armor so that it would not fall off?

                  1. Lionnvrsk
                    Lionnvrsk 31 August 2020 09: 24 New
                    0
                    "On the armor" conditionally. Stood in the commander's hatch. The students still laughed that he would drive us with an antenna over the head sticking out of the mechanic drive hatch.
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 31 August 2020 12: 35 New
          0
          here it is important to understand something else .. that 2 hours for you and 6 hours for them. different things, you have exactly 2 hours on the spot with mech-water, and there may be 6 hours of general activities, of which in reality there may be an hour of driving in total .. I suspect that someone got through once allowed to go to the BMP without completing the courses .. this is a flight as we say
      3. bobba94
        bobba94 31 August 2020 11: 40 New
        0
        The last phrase is completely inspired by Viktor Stepanovich Chernomyrdin. Not good ..... plagiarism, sir.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 August 2020 07: 56 New
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      For the especially forgetful June 22, 1941. Our driver mechanics had more hours of driving

      Oh?
      "... by the beginning of the war, the new crews did not have time to master the technique, many driver mechanics, for example, received only 1,5-2 hours of practice in driving tanks"
      M. Baryatinsky
      “The Red Army personnel of the 37th Panzer Division (KOVO), - he writes, - were 60% recruits from the May 1941 draft, completely untrained and not fully trained for a young soldier ... The situation was especially bad with the training of tank commanders and mechanics- drivers "R. Irinarkhov
      a tractor driver from the village of Nadezhna (a former Cossack village, located near Petropavlovsk in northern Kazakhstan) - Grigory Sakharov - got into the airborne troops. Already during his service in the Airborne Forces he was "dragged" to the Special Department, trying to find out why he did not become a tanker ...
      “In order to save motor resources, the Armored Directorate of the Red Army did not allow us to conduct combat training of crews on new tanks.
      About ten days before the start of the war, the head of this department, Lieutenant General of Tank Forces Ya. N. Fedorenko, visited us. I asked him for permission to conduct exercises on new combat vehicles so that the driver mechanics could practice driving their tanks, but he did not allow and hinted that in the near future conditions may arise when everyone will have an abundance of practice. For this, it is necessary to save the motor resource. "
      General D.I. Ryabyshev, in the 41st he commanded the 8th mechanized corps of the Red Army as part of the Kiev special district
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 31 August 2020 09: 02 New
        0
        Well, at least some mechanized drives and tanks are better than any mechanized drives without tanks at all. But in general, the recruits of May 41, it’s as if just without comments, such could only get into battle while in the western districts, already in 1942, almost all recruits underwent training for at least 3 months.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 31 August 2020 08: 04 New
      0
      What is it for? No, it doesn't.
  2. taiga2018
    taiga2018 31 August 2020 07: 23 New
    +3
    The good news is, let them have as many of these "specialists" as possible.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 August 2020 07: 26 New
    +5
    These are the problems of the Merikatos, let them rake their own manure. bully
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 31 August 2020 08: 32 New
      0
      It’s bad they just realized it too early. It would be nice for the enemy to find out about this in battle.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 31 August 2020 07: 31 New
    +2
    This only confirms the truth that statutes are written in blood, in any country in the world. ..
  5. Masha
    Masha 31 August 2020 07: 33 New
    +3
    It's a mess, it's a mess in Africa too yes
  6. Mouse
    Mouse 31 August 2020 07: 41 New
    +2
    The soldier died last year

    This is normal a year later ...
    The decision on reforming has been made, and how much more will be reformed ........
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 31 August 2020 07: 49 New
    +2
    Savings, reductions and all the attendant ... the situation is not new, just someone when it overtakes.
  8. Free wind
    Free wind 31 August 2020 07: 50 New
    +3
    Most likely there was a fall from a height, the soldiers in their equipment ride, and a collision with something at a speed of 50-60 km is unlikely to threaten with serious injuries. The mechanic had the usual rights, and they got them there, without fail. The commanders are sure to test their driving skills, and they are unlikely to release an inexperienced driver on a difficult track. Most likely the car broke down.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 31 August 2020 07: 58 New
      +6
      Maybe everything is easier?
      It wasn’t a bobbin,
      not in candles and not in rubber ...
      it's not even about gasoline ...
      Was the blockhead sitting in the car? recourse
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 31 August 2020 08: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      The commanders are sure to test their driving skills, and they are unlikely to release an inexperienced driver on a difficult track. Most likely the car broke down.

      It is they in their states that they observe something else, but in the countries of the "colonies" where they are deployed, they don't care how many hours of practical driving, because there they can violate traffic rules, go to the houses of civilians and generally "walk a flaw", all the same, they will not be accountable to anyone. So I drove where it is not necessary and how it is not necessary.
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 August 2020 08: 05 New
    0
    Six hours of driving and forward to attack? what It's even ridiculous to talk about military training "in a real way".
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 31 August 2020 08: 26 New
      +1
      From place to quarry wink
  10. Shuttle
    Shuttle 31 August 2020 08: 29 New
    0
    There is absolutely nothing about the details of the incident. Infa filed as if driving an infantry fighting vehicle, the unfortunate driver killed himself to death in peacetime only because of the alleged lack of experience in driving this type of equipment.
    Any real details?
  11. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 31 August 2020 08: 32 New
    +3
    It is not surprising that in Syria they rush along the roads like chickens in the yard.
  12. Dedok
    Dedok 31 August 2020 08: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: tralflot1832
    This does not remind you of anything. For those who are especially forgetful on June 22, 1941. Our mechanic drivers had more driving hours even then. And some here suggest to be equal to these?

    dress?
    you confused something? - There should not be any "shapkozakidatel 'moods": you probably heard - "the armor is strong and our tanks are fast ..."?
  13. Hagen
    Hagen 31 August 2020 08: 56 New
    +1
    The soldier died last year while driving a Bradley combat vehicle on the territory of the said American military base during routine training.

    From the details of the investigation, the article only says that a soldier died during training sessions. Ie, the soldier was taught practical driving.
    The mother of the deceased soldier claims that he did not even have time to get a certificate for the right to drive the M2A3 Bradley.

    Obviously, it was a salabon in the initial period of training. The circumstances of the incident are not known. What is the dispute about? A six hour driving experience? At the beginning of training, this happens to everyone. Their practical driving experience is measured in hours, with us - in kilometers. He was not sent to live-fire exercises with such experience. At half of the standard obstacles that must be overcome at the tankodrome, if you wish, you can turn the BMP over and break the neck. The mechanic, when landing "in a combat" way, sees very little, and when hitting some obstacles, he sees only the sky. If, in addition, he is afraid of a confined space, then he could well have lost his orientation in space and, with a fool, began to write out the pretzel with the steering wheel. For this, a mechanic is taught on training fields and on simulators so that he can drive safely in a real situation. From my own experience, I remember that our medical helicopters were not on duty while driving. laughing
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 31 August 2020 09: 39 New
      -1
      How wise! However, in order for the soldier not to break his neck, they begin to teach him with exercises where the neck must NOT be broken. If a person had 6 hours of collision, how could he be driven onto puzzling obstacles at the tankodrome? I'll tell you how. Yes, you yourself know ... Lesson hours for a young driver are being drawn up. Fuels and lubricants are debited to them. Classes, of course, are not held. And when the time has come to pass the standards, the driver is pushed onto the landfill so that he can somehow pass. They close their eyes to the fact that he bypasses half of the obstacles. The profit is received, and not sickly! But the guy did not cope with the second half.
      Three punished - organizers and executors of the sale of fuels and lubricants. The head of the base and the functionaries who receive the main profit remained on the sidelines, as usual. Familiar situation, right?)
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 31 August 2020 11: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        However, in order for the soldier not to break his neck, they begin to teach him with exercises where the neck must NOT be broken. If a person had 6 hours of collision, how could he be driven onto puzzling obstacles at the tankodrome?

        If we translate into an analogy according to SA, 6 hours of driving will correspond to approximately 60-75 km of experience out of 150 provided for the training of a driver-mechanic at a tankodrome (after these 150 there will be another 100 km of march and qualification) So that 6 hours is not as little as it might seem. The head can be broken on all obstacles, except, perhaps, the rut in the cost center. The layout of the bridge, a moat, even a counter-escarp and a stop on the rise, if they are on an artificial mountain, can, under the coincidence of circumstances, lead to the car overturning. And Bradley, if you noticed, has a very tall silhouette. It is easier to overturn it than our BMP-1,2.
        Quote: Mikhail3
        I'll tell you how. Yes, you yourself know ... Lesson hours for a young driver are being drawn up. Fuels and lubricants are debited to them.

        Apparently, you did not deal with this business, therefore you reason so. As a company commander for training mv, I was vitally interested in my cadets driving along the track of the tankodrome through all obstacles and keeping within the speed limit for class 3 mv. At training tank courses, as a rule, the track is broken up so that it is not very easy to keep within the prescribed 19 km / h. So it is still possible to check in on the PMP or even a combatant class, forgive. But specialized subjects of driving and technical training were carried out "blood from the nose". Despite the fact that the commanders of the training units also drove and ran, because at the check at the end of the course EVERYONE passed the standards. And the company will not receive a higher grade than the company commander. My company was "good" with a claim to be "excellent". A simple write-off of fuel and lubricants was not in my interests.
        Quote: Mikhail3
        And when the time has come to pass the standards, the driver is pushed onto the landfill so that he can somehow pass. They close their eyes to the fact that he bypasses half of the obstacles.

        You, dear, served in the SA? Looks like no. If in a cropped regiment, somewhere in the dense Arctic, during the test "something like" could still be composed, then in the training at the final exams, when a regiment from the BP department of the district headquarters sits on the tower, on which, in case of emergency, all the bumps for injuries of untrained l / s they fly, it is problematic to deceive. All obstacles are in full view from the tower. And the layout of the track bridge and the moat cannot be overlooked even when drunk.
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Three punished - organizers and executors of the sale of fuels and lubricants

        Under the Soviets, diesel fuel was not expensive. And the KR and KV of the training units are so far from the fuel and lubricants that in my memory they, except for a can of canned meat for a personal lunch in a regiment outfit, had nothing. Believe me, I have been doing this for more than five years and have personally taught so much that you can equip an entire MSD with them. Maybe today the commander of the training platoon himself writes off the fuel and lubricants and does not depend on the training of his cadets, which I doubt, but the SA had to, imagine, work, and not like a child. (especially if you want to grow in your career)
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 31 August 2020 11: 52 New
          -5
          Quote: Hagen
          I was vitally interested

          Than? What is "vitally" interested in? Did they give you a diploma? Did you promise another rank in turn? Less scolded? Or a wad of money regularly ...
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 31 August 2020 12: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Than? What is "vitally" interested in?

            You, obviously, do not understand ... You, probably, all "dough" is measured. We tried to grow from platoon to company commanders. At the same time, wages grew, frankly, not very much. But somehow I wanted to. Then the battalion commander. At the same time, they wanted to go to "warm spots" for combat experience. Yes, there were those who did their entire careers on the floor. Not without it. But the desire to sell stolen diesel fuel and technical property was much less than today. How are you there? Are bundles of money a priority? Oh well...
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 1 September 2020 09: 16 New
              0
              Yes, I just understand) But why are you dragging this nostalgia for the old world here? The world is different now. And what happened is not what you are nostalgic about. Alas...
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 1 September 2020 11: 32 New
                0
                Quote: Mikhail3
                But why are you dragging this nostalgia for the old world here?

                Firstly, I have no nostalgia for those times. Secondly, it was you who began to push through the version of the theft of fuel and lubricants to the detriment of the training of a soldier in the SA with a claim to the massive nature of this phenomenon, although you yourself do not represent the subject of discussion. I agree with you that the world is different. Under the Soviets, for the version you presented in public correspondence, a man in uniform would have looked at you and asked where the fireballs came from, in the sense - information? For under the Code of Criminal Procedure of the RSFSR, information in the media about a crime was a pretext for initiating a criminal case. And today, out of boredom, you pour slop in different directions without any responsibility for your words. And nobody cares about you. But I think something will soon get better in this area.
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 1 September 2020 12: 34 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hagen
                  ... Secondly, it was you who started pushing through the version about the theft of fuel and lubricants to the detriment of the training of a soldier in the SA

                  Uncle, are you sick? Or badly wounded? Read the article? Whose army is it talking about? An unsatisfied woman seems to be the same everywhere. What CA ?! Go get some water ...
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 1 September 2020 12: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    What CA ?! Go get some water ...

                    When I talked about the training of a driver, I drew on my own experience in that direction, obtained in CA. And when you write to me "..... I'll tell you how. Yes, you yourself know ... The hours of classes for a young driver are being drawn up. Fuel and lubricants are being debited to them ....", obviously you assume that I served on that base about which article? With what hangover should I be "in the know"? I related your phrase to my experience. As you write, so I understand what you have written. If you want to be understood correctly, you express yourself correctly.
                    1. Mikhail3
                      Mikhail3 2 September 2020 09: 03 New
                      0
                      How do I know what you THOUGHT, uncle? You never know what is crawling under your skull? In your presence, everyone should jump up and try to guess what are you up to there? So this is the internet, uncle. There are no field marshals here, despite the epaulets under the avatar. You are like everyone else, and I do not care what you thought there, if you did not clearly and clearly express this. And you carried nonsense on your own wave ... As for expressing yourself correctly, it's to the point, yeah.
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 2 September 2020 09: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        How do I know what you THOUGHT, uncle?

                        Well, and you also offer me some water to drink. Take it easy. Your inability to express your thoughts is treated with a Russian textbook. The fact that you don't care about anything and so can be seen. And we did not switch to "you". Keep yourself within the bounds of decency. After all, I did not stick epithets for you ... Although this is the Internet, it seems to me quite capable of respecting the interlocutor ...
  14. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 31 August 2020 09: 33 New
    -1
    Sale of fuel and lubricants on the left intended for driver training. I've seen this somewhere before, yeah ...
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 August 2020 10: 15 New
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    32% of deaths in active military service between 2006 and 2018 were the result of accidents. During hostilities - 16%.
    And another 52% as a result? Suicide, drugs ...? If a third die from accidents, can the number of bases abroad be reduced and the losses will decrease?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 31 August 2020 12: 25 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Can you reduce the number of bases abroad and the losses will decrease?

      does not help, incidents of such a glad in the states themselves are stupidly hushed up, but abroad it is already problematic to keep silent.
  16. ecolog
    ecolog 31 August 2020 12: 34 New
    0
    for a regular car driving 50 hours somewhere it should be, and here BMP
  17. Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 31 August 2020 18: 15 New
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    Any army is an organized mess, the differences are only in its degree