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It became known about the reason for the fall of the Su-27 fighter in the Black Sea in March this year

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Some details have appeared in the press about the incident with the Su-27 fighter, which crashed in March this year during a scheduled flight. Recall that the incident happened on March 25. Then (at about 8 pm) the Su-27SM plane disappeared from the radar screens about fifty kilometers from Feodosia. A few minutes later, an emergency beacon signal was received. For several days, the military and other services searched for the pilot.


Today it is reported about the conclusions reached by the investigation team.

As reported on the TV channel "Star", the fighter fell due to the explosion of the rocket engine on the trajectory of its descent. This statement was made by the head of the flight security service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Sergei Bainetov.

At the same time, exact data on why the rocket engine was blown up is not presented at the moment.

Recall that the wreckage of the fighter was discovered and raised from the bottom of the Black Sea. The aircraft was piloted by Captain Dmitry Zavorokhin, a senior pilot of the 1st air squadron.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 30 August 2020 15: 04 New
    -20
    As reported on the Zvezda TV channel, the fighter fell due to the explosion of the rocket engine on the trajectory of its descent.
    A very serious incident. Conclusions and checks were not applicable. I do not even doubt it. I would like more information. But that is a secret. Everything is important there and storage conditions. And production. And the technology that the rocket was connected to the fighter ... Here there is the sea of ​​thought and military secrets. yes
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 August 2020 15: 19 New
      +9
      Quote: Observer2014
      I would like more detailed information.

      Why do you need it, you are an "independent expert" or what? For a simple user VO, this information is quite enough. The only thing - I'm sorry for the guys.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 30 August 2020 15: 29 New
        -18
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Observer2014
        I would like more detailed information.

        Why do you need it, you are an "independent expert" or what? For a simple user VO, this information is quite enough. The only thing - I'm sorry for the guys.

        request Don't you notice my avatar, just see the Observer winkSuddenly I can see that others do not see at close range bully
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 30 August 2020 15: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Observer2014
          Don't you notice my avatar, just see the Observer


          The avatar is clearly not yours, for show-off.

          And "Observer" ... So what? What is this supposed to say? Is there a reasoned explanation for this? -
          Quote: Observer2014
          Suddenly I can see that others do not see at close range


          So far (?) You have not demonstrated anything special of your observing abilities.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 30 August 2020 15: 41 New
          -10
          Quote: Observer2014
          And you do not notice my avatar. Just see the Observer Suddenly I can see that others do not see point-blank

          Watch silently. Avatars are very small and do not convey what their owner is trying to convey. I see some kind of muzzle wrapped in my grandmother's scarf. But to shit, even under such an avatar, on my colleagues, I would not advise YOU, not a good person.
        3. Voyager
          Voyager 30 August 2020 15: 51 New
          0
          Whoever really needs it knows everything for a long time.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 31 August 2020 13: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Voyager
            Whoever really needs it knows everything for a long time.

            For the first time on television, you will see how the investigation of a plane crash goes from start to finish. The film crew of "Military Acceptance" will accompany the officers of the Flight Safety Service in the Crimea, while searching for the reasons for the fall of the Su-27 fighter into the Black Sea.

            "Military acceptance", TV "Zvezda", reportage 30.08.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
            https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/20208301042-Ut4AZ.html/player/
      2. figwam
        figwam 30 August 2020 15: 41 New
        +4
        the fighter fell due to the explosion of the rocket engine on the trajectory of its descent.

        It's strange from what a solid-fuel engine could explode, is it not an explosive?
        1. tatarin1972
          tatarin1972 30 August 2020 16: 07 New
          +3
          How to say. An explosion is also combustion, only with a speed of over 6 km / s. At least that's how the teacher read me in lectures in the 80s, maybe now something has changed. The composition of the fuel is a military secret, so let's not guess.
          1. figwam
            figwam 30 August 2020 16: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: tatarin1972
            The composition of the fuel is a military secret,

            There is solid fuel and an oxidizer, a reliable rocket. Sorry for the pilot and the plane.
            1. tatarin1972
              tatarin1972 30 August 2020 16: 27 New
              +2
              It can be one-component, two-in-one.
            2. KCA
              KCA 30 August 2020 23: 22 New
              0
              I am wildly sorry for my incompetence, do not tell me at least one TTD with an oxidizer, I am not talking about the missiles in service, wildly secret, but in general? Foolishly, he believed that solid fuel contains both a combustible substance and an oxidizing agent, like gunpowder
              1. figwam
                figwam 31 August 2020 09: 55 New
                0
                Quote: KCA
                I am wildly sorry for my incompetence, do not tell me at least one TTD with an oxidizer,

                The oxidant is contained in a dry form along with the fuel)
                1. KCA
                  KCA 31 August 2020 10: 05 New
                  0
                  I wrote that "solid fuel contains both a combustible substance and an oxidizing agent", this is one mixture called solid fuel, and solid fuel and an oxidizer cannot be spread
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 31 August 2020 10: 09 New
                    0
                    Quote: KCA
                    and solid fuel and oxidizer cannot be carried

                    Why carry it around? I wrote the composition of the fuel, fuel and oxidizer.
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 30 August 2020 16: 50 New
          -2
          Quote: figvam
          It's strange from what a solid-fuel engine could explode, is it not an explosive?

          BB is optional. It is clear to me how to bring the TTRD to a guaranteed explosion. But in the Armed Forces there are enough saboteurs and spies, so I will keep quiet. Although they themselves know everything very well. request He studied rocket science, received a diploma, but went to work in ferrous metallurgy (closer to home) request .
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 30 August 2020 19: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: figvam
          It's strange from what a solid-fuel engine could explode, is it not an explosive?

          These are general phrases that do not give specific data. There is a rather complex system and anything could happen.
          I know one pilot who survived after one of the two rocket mountings was damaged and when the rocket descended, the plane turned around and it collapsed from overloads, usually 100% death of the crew.
          1. K-36
            K-36 31 August 2020 01: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: APASUS
            I know one pilot who survived after

            You are not alone. I also know one pilot who survived after ...
            This is the former commander of my former regiment, Colonel Zhilin Yuri Vasilyevich. When dropping a bomb on a landfill, this bomb exploded immediately upon leaving the holder (Su-17 M3). The plane broke: the cockpit with the pilot is separate, the rest of the glider from the rear-mounted gargrot and the tail is also separate. After two rapidly changing pictures "earth - sky" in front of Zhilin's eyes, he realized that he had to jump (otherwise - full of seams). Jumped (K-36 DM ser. 2). Alive, scratched his finger and lost his navigator's watch. The reason was found out very quickly. Beginning of the armament service ordered to screw in the fuse, the service life of which had expired the day before. I hoped that everything would go smoothly, and then there would be no need to bother with issuing an expired write-off certificate. And that's how it came out. Fired a lad (with the rank of captain).
            And I was looking at the cockpit of this Su-17 within an hour after the incident. The Mi-8 PSO-shny brought us there (well, to put together all the rescue equipment: NAZ; rescue parachute PSU-36; headrest with the cover of this parachute). There was no need to look for the seat, it lay next to the cockpit. Interestingly, the glass on most of the dashboard instruments remained intact!
            What can I say? Aviation ... You can see everything: from tragedies to miraculous healing.
            hi
            1. askort154
              askort154 31 August 2020 12: 55 New
              -2
              K-36 ..The plane broke: the cockpit with the pilot - separately, the rest of the glider from the cockpit gargrot and the tail - also separately.

              "Gargrots" - on sea ships. On airplanes - "frames". hi
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              2. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 31 August 2020 18: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: askort154
                "Gargrots" - on sea ships. On airplanes - "frames"

                lol I'm sorry, what? The frame is a power element, there is both on ships and in aviation, the gargrot is a part of the aviation fuselage behind the cockpit canopy.
                1. K-36
                  K-36 31 August 2020 19: 52 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                  The gargrot is the part of the aircraft fuselage behind the cockpit canopy.

                  Thank you, Alexander. For supporting my concept of gargrot. [B] [/ b]
                  I just posted a post for askort154, where I gave the definition of a gargrot on the fuselage of an aircraft. And he gave a link to the aviation site, from where he copied this definition. Only this post was deleted ... Here I am racking my brains: WHY?!? Not a single word to find fault with (one might say - an ideal sample winked )
                  Maybe for a published link? Well, God bless her. Thank you!
                  hi
              3. Serg koma
                Serg koma 1 September 2020 06: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: askort154
                "Gargrots" - on sea ships. On airplanes - "frames"

                "gargrot - a volumetric longitudinal fairing on the aircraft fuselage, covering the control wiring, pipelines and electric wires protruding beyond the main dimensions of the fuselage, and providing a convenient approach to them in operation. "- Encyclopedia" Aviation ". - M .: Great Russian Encyclopedia. Svishchev G. G .. 1998.
                "gargrot liquid propellant rocket body - 5. Liquid propellant rocket body gargrot Gargrot Liquid propellant rocket body element providing protection from external loads, temperature and climatic influences of communications located on the outer side of the rocket body ... ... " Dictionary-reference book of terms of normative and technical documentation
                1. askort154
                  askort154 1 September 2020 07: 14 New
                  +1
                  Serg Koma ....."Gargrot is a volumetric longitudinal fairing on the aircraft fuselage, ...

                  Thank ! ... "Something with my memory has become ..". crying hi
        4. grandfather_Kostya
          grandfather_Kostya 30 August 2020 20: 45 New
          +4
          If internal cracks appear in solid fuel due to production or storage conditions, a huge excess of pressure in the combustion chamber is guaranteed immediately at the start!
        5. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 30 August 2020 21: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          from what could a solid fuel engine explode, is it not an explosive?

          A crack in a powder can and - detonation. Ballisticians are familiar with this ...
          Therefore, there are storage periods. That which comes close to them, goes to "utilization" by shooting ... At least it was so in my time.
          Now, probably, everything is different ...
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 30 August 2020 15: 20 New
      -3
      Quote: Observer2014
      I would like more information, but that is a secret. Everything is important there, storage conditions, production, and the equipment that connected the rocket to the fighter ...

      Shoigu, tomorrow, to impose a severe reprimand on the party activists for sabotaging accurate data on the causes of the explosion of the rocket engine. For irresponsible disregard for "military experts" in various public forums on the Internet and withholding accurate information from them.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 30 August 2020 15: 44 New
      +4
      due to the explosion of the rocket engine on the trajectory its descent.
      This is serious? The rocket simply does not have it. "when leaving the guide" for flyers, it is possible "when leaving the suspension assembly", but the trajectory of the descent? Scientific and stupid.
      1. kit88
        kit88 30 August 2020 16: 38 New
        13
        So the APU-470 has a guide.

        - guide 16 for launching missiles
  2. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 30 August 2020 15: 07 New
    +2
    This means that they took out most of the wreckage of the aircraft and came to this conclusion based on the characteristic damage. It is clear that the pilot did not manage to do anything at all, he was killed immediately. I hope we have already tested the entire series of missiles of this type.
    1. gaudin
      gaudin 30 August 2020 21: 07 New
      +6
      It is clear that the pilot did not have time to do anything at all, he was killed immediately

      No, for another 40 seconds he struggled with the control of the aircraft during 12G overloads, then ejected, they could not find it.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 August 2020 15: 08 New
    +3
    What about the pilot? Killed? Somehow I missed this topic ... angry
    1. gaudin
      gaudin 30 August 2020 21: 07 New
      0
      The pilot was not found
  4. svp67
    svp67 30 August 2020 15: 10 New
    +3
    As reported on the Zvezda TV channel, the fighter fell due to the explosion of the rocket engine on the trajectory of its descent.
    Something incomprehensible ... at that time NATO was conducting exercises in the Black Sea, who was our "Su" shooting at? And what's wrong with the rocket? Manufacturing defect, served all shelf life, diversion?
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 30 August 2020 15: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Manufacturing defect, served all shelf life, diversion?

      The rocket exploded during a training launch. Like a torpedo in the bow compartment of the Kursk nuclear submarine.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 30 August 2020 15: 17 New
        -6
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Like a torpedo in the bow compartment of the Kursk nuclear submarine.

        The torpedo in the torpedo did not explode ... on Kursk. YES and an explosion in a torpedo tube does not lead to the death of a submarine ..
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 30 August 2020 15: 26 New
          0
          Quote: dvina71

          The torpedo in the torpedo did not explode

          What is your version of why the explosion occurred? Your dissenting opinion is interesting.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 30 August 2020 15: 36 New
            -3
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            why did the explosion happen?

            Why dont know. The version about the explosion of peroxylin ... is quite suitable. But the damage is not equivalent to the statement of the state commission.
            I believe it was a technological disaster caused by the technical condition of the nuclear submarine.

            and look at the damage to the DPL..with 0.42 ..

            Where is the damage to the case? If the torpedoes were tossed off, the bow would have been ripped apart from the inside. But it is intact .. But the body seemed to be inflated ..
            Our specialists from Zvezdochka went there .. The submarine was charging the batteries. The hatches between the compartments were closed, the ventilation system did not work ..
        2. svp67
          svp67 30 August 2020 15: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: dvina71
          YES and an explosion in a torpedo tube does not lead to the death of a submarine ..

          It depends on which torpedo.
          Quote: dvina71
          The torpedo in the torpedo did not explode ... on Kursk.

          Alas, but still it exploded.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 30 August 2020 15: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            Alas, but still it exploded.

            The commission claims that the peroxylin exploded. The torpedo warheads did not explode.
            1. svp67
              svp67 30 August 2020 15: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: dvina71
              The commission claims that the peroxylin exploded.

              Was he not in the torpedo? And the force of the explosion of the pyroxylin mixture from this torpedo was enough that in the end the boat would die
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 30 August 2020 16: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                And the force of the explosion of the pyroxylin mixture from this torpedo was enough that in the end the boat would die

                It wouldn't be a tragedy .. I would laugh .. WHAT? Demolish all bulkheads to the power compartment and turn both hulls in front of the wheelhouse ... both hard and light ... essentially breaking the boat ..
                And all this peroxylin from one torpedo ??
                1. svp67
                  svp67 30 August 2020 16: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: dvina71
                  Demolish all bulkheads up to the power compartment and turn both hulls in front of the wheelhouse.

                  No, this explosion was the initiator of the rest of the explosions.
                  Quote: dvina71
                  And all this peroxylin from one torpedo ??

                  Well, you know what kind of torpedo it was, "tsar torpedo"
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 30 August 2020 16: 57 New
                    -2
                    Quote: svp67
                    No, this explosion was the initiator of the rest of the explosions.

                    The rest? This is what? The Norway recorded only two .. The second is equivalent to a nuclear charge .. What are you talking about?
                    And another question ... why is there an explosion in the bow compartment, and a hole and a fracture almost at the wheelhouse ... that is, two compartments from the bow?
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 30 August 2020 17: 00 New
                      -1
                      Quote: dvina71
                      The second is equivalent to a nuclear charge.

                      This explosion consisted of many explosions of warhead torpedoes on racks.
                      Quote: dvina71
                      and a hole and a break almost at the wheelhouse ... that is, two compartments from the bow?

                      Who knows about what the submarine hit at the bottom, maybe some kind of rock.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 30 August 2020 17: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        This explosion consisted of many explosions of warhead torpedoes on racks.

                        Well ok .. the torpedoes exploded .. Why are the destruction of the hull far from the epicenter? Why didn't you just turn the first compartment apart?
                        There are so many why ... under which the version of the explosion of the bk ... will dry out like dew in the sun ... Moreover, the torpedoes did not explode ... Their carcasses were clearly visible on the shooting in the boat .. They decided to saw off the bow part because they were afraid that it will fall off and an explosion may occur.
            2. Charik
              Charik 31 August 2020 16: 32 New
              0
              commission-there they turned such a star-that 1000 versions of what happened now exist
          2. gaudin
            gaudin 30 August 2020 21: 10 New
            0
            Alas, but still it exploded.
            No, it didn’t explode, it was found printed in the bulkheads of the neighboring compartment, there was no warhead on it.
        3. New
          New Year day 31 August 2020 00: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: dvina71
          YES and an explosion in a torpedo tube does not lead to the death of a submarine ..

          That's right! - "She drowned" V. Putin
      2. svp67
        svp67 30 August 2020 15: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Like a torpedo in the bow compartment of the Kursk nuclear submarine.

        The reason for the explosion on the Kursk was the low preparedness of the crew to work with this torpedo; before leaving, they were assisted by a specialist from another boat. It turns out that there were no specialists here either? It gets worse
        1. New
          New Year day 31 August 2020 00: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          It turns out that there were no specialists here either?

          Last year, at Saki-4, the rocket was launched in the hangar. 2 techies were convicted of material damage
    2. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 30 August 2020 16: 19 New
      +6
      Where the board fell, at Cape Opuk is our large air and ground training ground. Everything "shoots" there. On that day, the regiment had firing, launched AURs at SABs
  5. VIP
    VIP 30 August 2020 15: 11 New
    +2
    God grant that this does not happen again.
  6. Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 30 August 2020 15: 16 New
    -9
    The pilot was never found. It is doubly sad.
    And the "Syrian" Su30? The reasons have not been announced. About the silence in the air at the landing of Tu22. One reasonably voiced reason for a dozen silence.
    1. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 30 August 2020 15: 26 New
      +7
      well, as you want, everything should be fine with us, even if it is not so
  7. Tusv
    Tusv 30 August 2020 15: 28 New
    0
    Minus, a near-perfect air gag, with a 4 hour patrol
  8. iouris
    iouris 30 August 2020 15: 40 New
    -3
    I understand that the plane was shot down. But this is my own personal opinion. I could be wrong.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 30 August 2020 16: 00 New
      +5
      Even a personal, but voiced opinion should still be argued and backed up with something constructive.
      1. iouris
        iouris 30 August 2020 22: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Voyager
        and back up with something constructive.

        How to support the opinion? By sense, if you like by instinct. Request confirmation from the operator.
    2. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 30 August 2020 16: 26 New
      +2
      No, the real undermining of the AUR at launch.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 August 2020 16: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      I understand that the plane was shot down. But this is my own personal opinion. I could be wrong.

      Quote: akarfoxhound
      No, the real undermining of the AUR at launch.

      I understand that the appeal:
      Quote: Voyager
      the opinion should still be argued and supported with something constructive.

      applies to both users?
      Can you comment:

      How exactly the explosion of the rocket engine of the rocket occurred, if the launches of the latter were not planned - it is not known, however, this factor requires some explanation, since there is a threat that spontaneous missile launches and explosions may occur with other Russian combat aircraft.
  9. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 30 August 2020 15: 50 New
    +2
    The military and in peacetime as in war, they have an increased danger. And with weapons, troubles, although not often, do happen. Blessed memory of pilot Dmitry Zavorikhin!
  10. Incompetent
    Incompetent 30 August 2020 18: 25 New
    0
    So what prevented the pilot from ejecting? There are no houses, there is no need to take the plane away ... And if he ejected, why did he drown, after all, there must be an inflatable emergency system when he falls into the sea?
  11. huntsman650
    huntsman650 30 August 2020 19: 24 New
    +1
    The flyer was ruined (((stsu .. ki (((. Head of the UPASR for soap !!!
  12. agoran
    agoran 30 August 2020 19: 44 New
    0
    Hmm, // the fighter fell due to the detonation of a rocket engine on the trajectory of its descent // something strange.
    That is, the rocket came off the beam and was already at some distance from the s-that, and how could the detonation of the rocket engine at a distance so catastrophically damage the s-t?
  13. nikolai.shupenin
    nikolai.shupenin 30 August 2020 19: 56 New
    -2
    it was blown up by the nato service
    1. alipes
      alipes 30 August 2020 21: 30 New
      0
      It's impossible. Electronic warfare does not affect the rocket engine. The missile warhead is cocked at a safe distance from the aircraft, and the fuse is a combined radio-optical or mechanical.
  14. alipes
    alipes 30 August 2020 21: 16 New
    +2
    There are a lot of questions. If a signal from an emergency beacon is received, as the author says, then there was a bailout and this beacon would have been found. The lighthouse appears after the deployment of the parachute, the fall of the NAZ, the boat. All this on one file. Under the weight of NAZ, the check of the radio station is pulled out and the canister of filling the buoy is triggered, in which the very radio station R-855um is located.
    1. agoran
      agoran 30 August 2020 21: 38 New
      0
      Well, bailouts don't always lead to a successful outcome.
      Accident of Tu-22 from Chkalovsk airfield (Kaliningrad region), EMNIP, 72 or 73 years old, only one crew member survived, all ejected.
      I don’t want to go into details.
      1. alipes
        alipes 31 August 2020 09: 44 New
        0
        I wanted to say that there was no bailout, and there was only one chair
      2. illuminat
        illuminat 31 August 2020 11: 59 New
        -1
        Quote: agoran
        Accident of Tu-22 from Chkalovsk airfield (Kaliningrad region), EMNIP, 72 or 73 years old, only one crew member survived, all ejected.

        1971 year. Only the navigator was killed. The commander and operator were picked up by the Poles.
    2. Dude
      Dude 31 August 2020 04: 14 New
      0
      halyard. Noun, inanimate, masculine, 2nd declension (declension type 1a according to A. A. Zaliznyak's classification).
      https://ru.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BB
  15. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 30 August 2020 21: 57 New
    0
    Most likely a defect in the manufacture of the engine. But I am not an expert, there can be many reasons. Sorry for the pilot. The main thing is to draw conclusions from the tragic incident and to secure the rest of the aircraft equipped with this missile and pylon.
    1. illuminat
      illuminat 31 August 2020 12: 01 New
      0
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      Most likely a defect in the manufacture of the engine.
      Hardly. A violation of storage conditions is much more likely.
  16. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 31 August 2020 04: 58 New
    0
    Look for the true reasons and take action, and not to cover up someone's "ass" !!! People must be protected. not shoulder straps !!!
  17. Charik
    Charik 31 August 2020 16: 27 New
    -1
    Starlet wrapped-shot down-more than sure-99% -turks
  18. wow
    wow 1 September 2020 10: 02 New
    0
    I had a similar incident in the early 80s while serving in the GSVG Air Force. When unloading NURS S-24, it was dropped from the body of the Ural-375 onto the concrete road. Then it was established that the monolithic powder block of the rocket starting engine had collapsed. When starting NURS, the engine exploded at a distance of approx. 2-3 m from the aircraft fuselage. The plane crashed, but the pilot, fortunately, ejected - alive and well.