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Leaderless: Has the murky story of Navalny's "poisoning" decapitated the Russian opposition?

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Muddy история with the poisoning of Alexei Navalny, it effectively deprived the leader of the Russian liberal opposition. The extra-parliamentary opposition simply does not have other charismatic figures comparable in recognition and popularity. Is it so?


In the Berlin clinic "Charite", where Alexei Navalny was brought from Omsk, they claim that the oppositionist was poisoned with a substance of unknown origin. In order to establish what kind of poison got into the body of the Russian, the clinic turned to the military chemists of the Bundeswehr for help. This is a secret laboratory in Munich, engaged in the study of chemical warfare agents. In addition, the Germans turned to the British laboratory Porton Down, which was investigating the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

Interestingly, the entire process of Navalny's treatment was taken under personal control by German Chancellor Angela Merkel: according to media reports, she is personally reported on a daily basis about the state of health of a Russian citizen. And this is against the backdrop of the fact that in Berlin thousands of rallies against coronavirus restrictions are being held, for which the authorities of the German capital do not issue permits. To all appearances, Merkel's hands do not reach internal problems. The Russian opposition is another matter ...

Germany has many of its own opposition parties and opposition politicians, but for some reason Merkel's interest is riveted to the fate of a Russian citizen. And otherwise, how the desire to make a sacred sacrifice out of Navalny, which can then be used in their own interests, this cannot be explained.

However, for the Russian opposition, such a sacred sacrifice, if Navalny nevertheless dies (we wish him health) or loses the ability to be active, may turn out to be unbearable. Who is left with the extra-parliamentary liberals today? Boris Nemtsov was killed under strange circumstances. Garry Kasparov or Mikhail Kasyanov are not perceived as potential leaders, and their time has passed.

Alexei Navalny was the only opposition figure who had all-Russian fame and enjoyed the sympathy of a certain part of Russian citizens. The closure of the Navalny project will be a very serious blow for his followers, since no other candidate for the leadership role is foreseen yet, and the promotion of the new figure to the scale of Navalny's recognition will take a long time.


Street actions will not help the opposition quickly find a new, "comparable" leader


In fact, the entire "Anti-Corruption Fund" was created under Navalny. This is another organization under one leader, which cannot function without its symbol, at least in full. Who will remember about “Trudovaya Rossiya” without Viktor Anpilov, “Yabloko” without Grigory Yavlinsky, or the Liberal Democratic Party without Vladimir Zhirinovsky?

Only Navalny's clientele is even worse: the fight against corruption cannot play the role of a state ideology, it is impossible to build an identity on the basis of combating corruption, as well as proclaiming the fight against burglaries, hooliganism or other offenses and crimes as the ideology of the state. The extra-parliamentary liberals never had a clear political program, but they were replaced by the face of Alexei Navalny and his investigation of the cost of dachas and land plots among officials and top managers of state corporations.

Navalny, at least, was watched and listened to, and who can replace him now? The fact is that without a charismatic leader, there will be no financial flows, since sponsors will not understand in whom and why to invest. Therefore, it remains for the opposition now to pray for Navalny's health and hope that their leader will not only survive, but also retain his sound mind and ability to continue to engage in his opposition activities. Moreover, this activity, in all fairness, did not cause any particular damage to the authorities, which even in the camp of the opposition itself often led to the question: is Alexei Navalny such an implacable oppositionist? ..
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 30 August 2020 15: 36
    -5
    The murky story of the poisoning of Alexei Navalny effectively deprived the leader of the Russian liberal opposition.
    The "foreign life" of the opposition leaders is guaranteed. Navalnyuk and Tikhanovskaya, who's next?
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 30 August 2020 15: 45
      +1
      Leaderless: Has the murky story of Navalny's "poisoning" decapitated the Russian opposition?

      Don't be afraid. Lexei light Sisyanich is practically immortal.

      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 30 August 2020 16: 02
        -9
        Can finish off ... well, so as not to suffer? repeat
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 30 August 2020 16: 21
          -4
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Can finish off ... well, so as not to suffer?


          Not liberal it wassat
          1. Arthur73
            Arthur73 30 August 2020 16: 23
            +1
            But in a European way
            Euthanasia is called
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 30 August 2020 16: 30
              14
              Quote: Arthur73
              But in a European way
              Euthanasia is called

              No-and-and-z-z-I categorically! No. In case of euthanasia, he may be considered a martyr, like the innocently murdered Skripal cat.

              1. BAI
                BAI 30 August 2020 18: 34
                +2
                The Skripals have a Persian cat Drake who was innocently killed by the British. Russian courtyard cat Masyanya, don't be do.ro.y, ran away in time.
                1. Snail N9
                  Snail N9 30 August 2020 19: 03
                  10
                  A cat or "cat" (pseudonym) is not so simple ...
                2. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 30 August 2020 19: 03
                  10
                  Quote: BAI
                  The Skripals have a Persian cat Drake who was innocently killed by the British. Russian courtyard cat Masyanya, don't be do.ro.y, ran away in time.

                  It's all one, sorry for the cat!
                  1. Clear
                    Clear 30 August 2020 20: 03
                    +6
                    Quote: BDRM 667
                    Quote: BAI
                    The Skripals have a Persian cat Drake who was innocently killed by the British. Russian courtyard cat Masyanya, don't be do.ro.y, ran away in time.

                    It's all one, sorry for the cat!

                    I'm sorry for the cat. We won't forgive them No. am

                    Incidentally, bully Before his death, the Skripals' cat told the British counterintelligence that he constantly saw a tail behind him.
                    1. BAI
                      BAI 30 August 2020 20: 49
                      +6
                      There is someone to get even with.
                3. antivirus
                  antivirus 30 August 2020 20: 06
                  +2
                  Navalny, at least, was watched and listened to, and who can replace him now?

                  - sometimes unable to cope with melancholy, and unable to look and dream, I close my eyes with my hand, I begin to dream of you
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 30 August 2020 17: 12
          -1
          Here in Germany and finish off. So that others would know what it is like not to work off the invested money. hi
        3. Baloo
          Baloo 30 August 2020 21: 26
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Can finish off ... well, so as not to suffer? repeat

          By no means, this is exactly what the Americans need.
          The evacuation of Navalny was carried out by the Cinema for Peace Foundation - the honorary chairman of which is Mikhail Gorbachev, a friend of Germany and benefactor of all Russia.
          This fund is engaged in receiving Navalny in Germany, and the money is given by Boris Zemin, Zemin's son, who founded VimpelCom and Beeline. Now the offspring lives luxuriously in London (apparently, on the money they honestly earned during the collapse of the USSR). So who benefits from his death, good gentlemen? It's not just that you invested such a huge amount of money in this hype? You need income! Where is he, tell me? The Americans have already stated that the bloody Kremlin does not deserve Nord Stream -2. He's so bad. Isn't that the catch? Are you going to put the young man, Alexei, on his feet? Or is it not profitable? Eh, my wife had to think carefully before taking Navalny from Omsk. Still, the Siberians have not learned to imitate so masterly. And they honestly saved the life of the oppositionist. Even in a shabby hospital ...

          Author:
          from the sunny city
          1. KCA
            KCA 31 August 2020 00: 00
            -1
            Everything is more confusing and confusing, I personally communicated with the "roof" of "VimpelCom" in 1997, well, let's just say, through an acquaintance, the wrong people were sent to the wrong people, they politely talked to me and sent me to the right address, and so those people liberal Chepushists would be wrapped in white sheets, as an option, that both the founding father and the son were redeemed, or ?, shares, so they emanate bile
          2. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 31 August 2020 03: 14
            +1
            Just shabby?
        4. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 31 August 2020 09: 39
          0
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Can finish off ... well, so as not to suffer?

          Do not fuss, they will finish it off. For theft and collapse of the case.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 16: 53
      18
      Was Navalny the leader of the Russian opposition? belay He was just one of the oppositionists, nothing more. Moreover, the liberal sense. Yes, he denounced the authorities for their sins, but he was in favor of replacing one liberal clan with another, pro-Western. request
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 21
        +2
        He was a national liberal oppositionist. Remember his active participation in the first Russian marches.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 20: 52
          +5
          Quote: rruvim
          He was a national liberal oppositionist.

          Azef mentioned above also used different ideas for his own purposes. request But if a prostitute is telling the truth, then the truth somehow changes its essence from the one who said it?
          Guys, if everything is less clear about Navalny's personality, maybe it is worth moving on to the public servants denounced by Navalny who have incomes of multimillionaires? wink
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 58
            +2
            Ingvar, if I am not mistaken, you and I know each other through the "war in Iraq" community, and even, perhaps, we met somewhere for beer within this community. I just want to say: Alexei Navalny at one time, in his youth, adhered to extremely nationalist views. I know this from his friends, although I know him myself. And this does not go away with age. World outlook - as Kant said.
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 31 August 2020 05: 09
        +2
        That's exactly what kind of opposition leader he is. Yes, he conducts investigations, or rather he comments on them, who is directly involved in the investigation, I personally find it difficult to say for the vast majority. So-so leader.
        It seems that a big byaka is being prepared against Russia, they just announced the creation of a vaccine against covid, as this institution was declared sanctioned. he produces biological weapons. The poisoning of Navalny, a public face, but recently useless, Belarus. This is the little that I cited as an example. I think they warn, you will bring troops to the Republic of Belarus, attach like Crimea, find yourself in complete isolation
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 August 2020 17: 23
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The "foreign life" of the opposition leaders is guaranteed. Navalnyuk and Tikhanovskaya, who's next?

      Removed from the game, sent through staged poisoning. Now he will live abroad on grants earned by hard work.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 30 August 2020 22: 00
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The "foreign life" of the opposition leaders is guaranteed. Navalnyuk and Tikhanovskaya, who's next?

        Removed from the game, sent through staged poisoning. Now he will live abroad on grants earned by hard work.
        Not for that his employers in a horizontal position translated, so that he would eat their grants. Here some other interest is pursued, the question is - What? And again, the question arises, who benefits from the situation with Navalny's "poisoning"? Russia and the Kremlin do not need this for nothing, because it is immediately clear that the political "exhaust" is zero, and the consequences will be used against Russia and the Kremlin. But this situation plays into the hands of the United States and some EU countries, since it unties the hands on the application of the next sanctions against Russia, because Navalny has not yet had time to fall on the couch properly, and from behind the hillock, calls have already been heard to reset SP-2, disconnect from SWIFT etc. So the beneficiaries are in the same place where the lot is now drawn by the bulk of the lot - here to stay, or go to the "next world".
        PS- In general, after the shooting of Nemtsov and the poisoning of Navalny, the opposition leaders should be appointed forcibly, by sentence, for bad behavior. For them (oppo-liberots) now "leadership" is more terrible than the GULAG because Western breadwinners let them go in spite of their "merits" due to political necessity. You can, for example, nominate Ksyusha, Gudkov or Gozman, and see how they will fight for self-withdrawal and assert that they have always considered Crimea to be Russian, that they supported the introduction of troops into Syria, and that human rights are violated in the United States and that only in Russia they feel like at home and in general they urgently need to run to lay flowers at the Mausoleum and at Stalin's.
      2. rruvim
        rruvim 30 August 2020 22: 24
        0
        May he not live abroad. He has a different mentality ...
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 31 August 2020 03: 21
          -2
          The mentality allows him to take money, and his daughter does not study in the Russian Federation, although the outline of his speeches was always that the children of high-ranking officials study abroad ... Money will smooth out any mentality, although there is no sense in Navalny's content in this case
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 August 2020 10: 20
          -2
          Quote: rruvim
          May he not live abroad. He has a different mentality ...

          Inexplicably ? After all, any Ukrainian dreams of living in Europe and considers himself a European.
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 31 August 2020 10: 39
          -2
          Quote: rruvim
          May he not live abroad. He has a different mentality ...

          "And where is your homeland, son? That's right, your homeland is where your ass is warm!" (c) "Brother-2"
          That's the whole Oval mentality.
    4. Baloo
      Baloo 30 August 2020 20: 20
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The murky story of the poisoning of Alexei Navalny effectively deprived the leader of the Russian liberal opposition.
      The "foreign life" of the opposition leaders is guaranteed. Navalnyuk and Tikhanovskaya, who's next?

      will SP2 slow down again?
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 August 2020 20: 44
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Navalnyuk and Tikhanovskaya, who's next?

      And here it turns out even more fun. The debts of the impudent were bought by Prigozhin)) ..
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 31 August 2020 10: 33
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        And here it turns out even more fun.

        Handsomely ! Lyubka and Lyokha are Prigozhin's slaves. Soaked Prigoda in full.
  2. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 30 August 2020 15: 38
    14
    No one has done as much to discredit the non-systemic opposition as Navalny. Besides, he has already made many mistakes. Evno Fishelevich Azef of our days. Only the chimney is lower and the smoke is thinner. By the way, Azef died in Berlin at the Krankenhaus clinic, and was buried there in an unmarked grave.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 30 August 2020 15: 46
      +5
      Oh, who do you remember .. "popular" personality at the beginning of the last century. However, everyone has already forgotten about him (the sad result of a populist and a bomber). The same will happen with Lesha. Well, he died and died.
  3. andr327
    andr327 30 August 2020 15: 39
    11
    Apparently, the West itself wrote off Navalny, and decided to take the last dividends from him in the form of a sacred sacrifice.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 August 2020 10: 38
      -2
      Quote: andr327
      Apparently, the West itself wrote off Navalny, and decided to take the last dividends from him in the form of a sacred sacrifice.

      Rather, they recalled to Germany so that he would not sing too much.
  4. HAM
    HAM 30 August 2020 15: 40
    15
    Not a single laboratory will determine the composition of the moonshine eaten by Navalny ...
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 30 August 2020 15: 44
      +4
      So they cannot figure out the formula of manure .... they consider it a chemical warfare agent of the third millennium. It seems that all products are safe organic, but the action is such that it knocks down.
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 30 August 2020 19: 18
        0
        Quote: RUnnm
        So they can't figure out the formula for manure ... they consider it a chemical warfare agent

        Moonshine on bird droppings is a terrible force! At the Prudboy training ground, the locals tested it on us. smile They only survived, because they were treated with beer! wassat
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 August 2020 10: 40
      0
      Quote: HAM
      Not a single laboratory will determine the composition of the moonshine eaten by Navalny ...

      Yes, home-grown craftsmen have not yet extinct, then they will blow a flea, then they will create moonshine such that the whole world cannot determine the composition.
  5. 210ox
    210ox 30 August 2020 15: 42
    +1
    "A holy place is never empty...
    1. Russ
      Russ 30 August 2020 17: 03
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      no other candidate for the leadership role is yet foreseen, and the promotion of the new figure to the scale of Navalny's recognition will take a long time.

      there are no irreplaceable ... yes
      1. Clear
        Clear 30 August 2020 20: 07
        +3
        Quote: Russia
        Quote: 210ox
        no other candidate for the leadership role is yet foreseen, and the promotion of the new figure to the scale of Navalny's recognition will take a long time.

        there are no irreplaceable ... yes

        There are no irreplaceable ones, only there are few capable ones.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 August 2020 10: 41
          -1
          Quote: Clear
          There are no irreplaceable ones, only there are few capable ones.

          What it is not replaceable, just a waste gum, worked in the trash.
          1. Clear
            Clear 1 September 2020 10: 24
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Clear
            There are no irreplaceable ones, only there are few capable ones.

            What it is not replaceable, just a waste gum, worked in the trash.

            Vlad, as the phrase of the egoist says there: perceive me as I am! winked
  6. RUnnm
    RUnnm 30 August 2020 15: 43
    14
    Of all these picturesque victims of "poisoning", I personally feel sorry for the Skripals cat most of all.
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 August 2020 22: 26
      0
      Quote: RUnnm
      I personally feel sorry for the Skripals' cat most of all

      It is reliably known that the cat was poisoned by the British special services. The rest is just "very halilaikli" ...
  7. iouris
    iouris 30 August 2020 15: 44
    +2
    About leading the opposition - this is question number 45. Where is this opposition? In the US and the EU, between the US and the EU, a "muddy political situation" has developed. Who is the "muddy history" against with Navalny? By the way, who proved the fact of poisoning and who are these "poisoners"?
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 30 August 2020 15: 57
      0
      This is Hiley Likely, and what other proof do they need ???
  8. RUnnm
    RUnnm 30 August 2020 15: 47
    -2
    Alexei Navalny was the only opposition figure who had all-Russian fame and enjoyed the sympathy of a certain part of Russian citizens.

    - even according to the latest data from the handshake Levada Center, Lyosha has a rating of only 4%, which is lower than even the data of Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky.
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 30 August 2020 15: 56
      0
      But the stench from him - to the whole of Europe. Vanguy new sanctions (although here a soothsayer is not needed - the Naglo-Saxons, if they do not find a reason, they will set it up) hi
  9. Radius
    Radius 30 August 2020 15: 51
    0
    Orphaned ... :)
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 August 2020 20: 11
      0
      Quote: Radius
      Orphaned ... :)

      Don't worry, if Navalny has real estate, then insolent "close" relatives will be found right there. yes
  10. Operator
    Operator 30 August 2020 16: 00
    0
    Gestapo doctors from the Charite clinic: The anal one was poisoned, but no traces of the poison were found - like the patient has cancer, but the tumor is absent.

    "... ...", - S. Lavrov (C)
  11. ved_med12
    ved_med12 30 August 2020 16: 01
    -3
    Was there a boy?
    Poisoned does not mean that they have been poisoned!
    In those photos that he (Navalny) saw, eyes are everywhere, evoke an association with a drug addict ... Well, of course, you can always say that such photos are specially chosen about Putin's media, or even "made", but the true Aryan look of the "Slav" in his face, I personally have no confidence at all ...
    Convalescence to him!
    1. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 30 August 2020 17: 14
      -2
      If you attach 3-4 lackeys with DSLRs, believe me, in a week you will understand that the facets of a hard morning after a hard night after a hard week have moved very steeply for you.
      And a couple of paid grandmothers with honest faces will always be happy to say that you are a drug addict, a prostitute, and a heap of zo * philes, who more than once attempted to kill homeless cats. Be more skeptical)
  12. Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 30 August 2020 16: 06
    -2
    I do not agree with the author. In the camp of the conditional opposition, they have long been dissatisfied with Navalny. All his "investigations" are leaked from either the SB of one well-known banking structure, in another case, from foreign special services and TNCs, in the third, #infaotkogonadoinfa # comrades, in general he is a multi-source and works for himself. In addition, she does not shine with intelligence and uses stereotyped phrases in conversation with opponents. Yes, and the electorate in the Russian Federation has noticeably left over the past ten years, and even the "liberals" (precisely in "" because there are no liberals in the Russian Federation, as well as conservatives and real leftists, this is a separate topic) need to adapt the leftist demand of society. Navalny is not capable of anything, but his death is just in their hands. Nemtsov, unpopular even in the liberal milieu, has turned out to be a good symbol of the struggle against the regime; from Navalny, who gained 30% in the elections in Moscow, one can make #materluttering # completely. and the poisoning most likely nebylo but so propped up for them.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 25
      +4
      When there is a lot of n ..... t, inevitably you begin to use dictionary templates. Examples in plain sight: Peskov and his Brigadier.
  13. Antiliberast
    Antiliberast 30 August 2020 16: 08
    +2
    Moreover, this activity, in fairness, did not cause any particular damage to the authorities,
    And how can cause damage - a flawed one who fights not for an idea, but earns money? No one was embarrassed that he was poisoned when he ceased to be active, read useless. Lesha earned the dough, put his daughter in a good institute in America and was completely lazy, life was a success and the naive silly man decided that he had caught his luck by the tail ... it was not there.
    which even in the camp of the opposition itself often led to the question: is Alexei Navalny such an implacable oppositionist? ..
    Read it, does he fully work out his fees and why he is paid more than the rest ... she is such envy))) In general, our opposition reminds me of ... Not so long ago I heard wonderful words (sorry I don't remember whose) about the creative intelligentsia of the times of the decline of the USSR and censorship, I will not quote literally, but the meaning is something like this - when it was forbidden to "do what you want" they moaned that they were not allowed to open up, and when the Union fell and freedom of speech and action came, then the intelligentsia, apart from their own backside, had nothing to show on stage.
  14. imobile2008
    imobile2008 30 August 2020 16: 13
    -9
    There are two options that are perfectly fine, pick one:
    1. Navalny has been poisoned by the Kremlin, which is why no investigation is carried out, so that FSB agents do not surface.
    2. Navalny is poisoned by US agents, then Putin works for the US together with the FSB and the prosecutor's office, and therefore they do not want an investigation, so that connections would not surface.

    Other versions do not fit at the root. For example, if they poisoned our own people, and the Kremlin is not tied, then now all the law enforcement agencies would be on their ears. Considering that in order to find a few kopecks, about 200 investigators were involved in especially important cases.
    1. ved_med12
      ved_med12 30 August 2020 16: 25
      +2
      First you need to decide on the fact whether Navalny was poisoned! Then, to prove that he was poisoned by someone intentionally ... And only then, who benefits from it and who COULD commit it!
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 30 August 2020 17: 19
      0
      Quote: imobile2008
      Other versions do not fit at the root.

      Well, why are they not suitable, if it is enough to remember Rybkin or Nemtsov, and then it will be possible to add one more at least - the order of Western political structures, carried out with the help of the special services of Ukraine. After all, Navalny was warned that Nemtsov's shadow had been hanging over him for a long time, but he did not seem to have driven in. But if we remove the conspiratorial connotation, then it is quite possible that this figure was simply poisoned with self-made alcohol, and this, in my opinion, is the only version that explains everything to the inhabitants of Russia, because each of our citizens will always remember that this happened to him or his friends ...
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 30 August 2020 18: 15
      0
      The second option is closer to the truth.
      Listen to Putin's ally Fedorov. He actually says so.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 30 August 2020 19: 11
        +3
        For some reason, when the Kremlin is dragged into the deaths of "promoted" and Western-sponsored persons, they forget about such an "odious" death as the murder of Madame Starovoitova. The usual loot was mixed up there, as in the story with Nemtsov and others ...
    4. rruvim
      rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 28
      +2
      3. Navalny was poisoned by his associates so that the first two points could be discussed.
    5. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 31 August 2020 03: 27
      0
      There is a third version - he was poisoned by aliens!
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 31 August 2020 08: 45
        +1
        The fourth version: He poisoned himself to frame the Kremlin.
  15. Egoza
    Egoza 30 August 2020 16: 13
    +7
    And I am most of all "touched" by the Charite clinic! The refuge of all the offended and poisoned! And Yushchenko was there, and Tymoshenko was treated, now Navalny! And they can't really diagnose anyone or provide treatment. Yes, if the author knew about such "competence", he would have assigned the radio operator Kat to another clinic.
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 August 2020 20: 18
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      And I am most of all "touched" by the Charite clinic! The refuge of all the offended and poisoned!

      This clinic has not always been a stronghold of well-being. There are terrible secrets in her biography that she does not like to remember. In the XNUMXs, a nurse Irena Becker, who was nicknamed the Angel of Death, worked here. Becker was found guilty of the murders of five patients, but there could be dozens more victims.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 30 August 2020 21: 03
        +2
        Exactly. But the question is: was Navalny brought there?
  16. imobile2008
    imobile2008 30 August 2020 16: 18
    -4
    Quote: Operator
    Gestapo doctors from the Charite clinic: The anal one was poisoned, but no traces of the poison were found - like the patient has cancer, but the tumor is absent.

    "... ...", - S. Lavrov (C)

    The clinic said that he was poisoned with poison from the "Novichok" family and it will take more than one week to get the exact formula.
  17. Livonetc
    Livonetc 30 August 2020 16: 20
    +1
    There is plenty of such a substance among the opposition.
    The only question is the size of the remuneration for playing the role of the supreme flavoring agent for the entire federation.
  18. Odysseus
    Odysseus 30 August 2020 16: 20
    -5
    Since the situation has cleared up - Navalny was poisoned, once again it is necessary to assess the likelihood of the most common version that the poisoner (the one who gave the order) is Mr Putin.
    Facts for. 1) The vertical of power; no one else could have given such an order.
    2) The specificity of the poison to which the special services have access.
    3) The need to preemptively remove the opposition leader before future parliamentary / presidential elections. Navalny's uniqueness as a leader (as indicated in the article).
    4) The typicality of poisoning for the existing authorities of the Russian Federation (Salisbury, etc.)
    4) The fact of Navalny's delay in Omsk for a day.
    5) The fact that Prigozhin bots dispersed the versions of "moonshine", "cocaine" in information dumpsters,
    6) "Diagnosis" in the form of metabolic disorders. With a hint of diabetes that does not exist in Navalny.
    7) The need to proactively intimidate all elites who decide to play in opposition.
    Facts vs.
    1) There is no motive. The power rating is as low as ever, the game of good tsar and bad boyars is getting worse. Control over zombie tv gives less and less. The impoverishment due to the fall in oil prices, which is ineptly disguised by the pandemic, cannot be compensated for with information. In such a situation, creating a sacred sacrifice with your own hands is not profitable. Live Navalny and smart voting are dangerous, but dead Navalny is even worse.
    2) Sanctions. For the Navalny Cooperative, the Lake will arrive on the first day.
    3) The pointlessness of the action. Big capital, completely controlled by the West, will strain to groan and in a year, another will create a new leader. Kill him too?
    4) The fact that he is alive. Specialist. services, of course, degraded, but not so much that they could not quietly kill one person.
    5) Chaos in Omsk after the assassination attempt. Let Navalny be released, detained, released again. This would not have happened if there had been a special operation.
    6) The fact that Putin is not at all the main godfather, he divorces between different groups, which may have their own reasons to remove Navalny.
    Conclusion, in my opinion, the arguments against are more weighty. The organizer is not Putin.
    However, now the authorities know both the type of poison and, most likely, the organizers.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 August 2020 16: 41
      -1
      Quote: Odyssey
      1) There is no motive. The power rating is as low as ever, the game of good tsar and bad boyars is getting worse. Control over zombie tv gives less and less.


      It is a great motive to have the next elections without any problems.

      Quote: Odyssey
      The pointlessness of the action. Big capital, completely controlled by the West, will strain to grunt and in a year, another will create a new leader. Kill him too?


      First, a year or two to live in peace. Second, what are the problems to kill another one? Nemtsov was killed.

      Quote: Odyssey
      Chaos in Omsk after the assassination attempt. They release Navalny-detain-again release. This would not have happened if there had been a special operation.


      Why is there such a belief that impeccable Shtirlitsy work in the special services? There are majors who celebrate the release by racing on Gelendvagens in Moscow.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 30 August 2020 17: 19
        0
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        It is a great motive to have the next elections without any problems.

        Why no problem? After all, Navalny is not the leader of an armed uprising. He was not even in favor of boycotting the elections. The smart voting strategy works great without it. More precisely, it will work even better with him as a victim.
        If you are talking about the presidential elections, then yes, there may be such reasons. But this is dispensed with, for example, Navalny's wife is nominated. Bulk murdered by the Kremlin hangs with a sword of Damocles.
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        First, a year or two to live in peace. Second, what are the problems to kill another one? Nemtsov was killed.

        If the planning horizon is a year or two, then it makes sense. But here is the question of faith in the current abilities of Putin and K.
        Nemtsov does not fit the analogue. He, like all young reformers, caused nausea by the beginning of the XNUMXs. He was not and could not be any leader of even the "liberals". The bottom line is that, of course, you can kill, but our liberal opposition is so connected with the core of capitalism that it makes no sense. They will find another.
        Quote: Eye of the Crying

        Why is there such a belief that impeccable Shtirlitsy work in the special services? There are majors who celebrate the release by racing on Gelendvagens in Moscow.

        I know very well the degree of degradation of the state apparatus. But for 1 person the capabilities of our special services are still enough.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 30 August 2020 17: 51
          -1
          Quote: Odyssey
          If the planning horizon is a year or two, then it makes sense.


          Naturally. This also makes sense for large planning horizons.

          Quote: Odyssey
          Nemtsov does not fit the analogue.


          The murder of an oppositionist is not suitable as an analogue of the murder of an oppositionist? Well, as you say.

          Quote: Odyssey
          He, like all young reformers, caused nausea already by the beginning of the XNUMXs.


          Summoned or not, but at the beginning of the XNUMXs he was elected to the Duma and even its deputy chairman.

          Quote: Odyssey
          Navalny is not the leader of an armed uprising. He was not even in favor of boycotting the elections. Smart voting strategy works fine without it.


          Whether it works or not, you don't know. And it is quite obvious that when the leader is removed, his organization loses its effectiveness.

          Quote: Odyssey
          I know very well the degree of degradation of the state apparatus.


          The special services are the same state apparatus.

          Quote: Odyssey
          But for 1 person the capabilities of our special services are still enough.


          This is your value judgment, which is not very consistent with reality.
          1. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 31 August 2020 05: 54
            -1
            The reality is that foreign special services are eliminating their pets from among the traitors. Moreover, it is very careless, stereotyped, leaving traces. And if they are again pushing for Novichok, then the work of the special services of the West is also not developing ... Even the Germans have questions and doubts ...
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 31 August 2020 09: 51
              0
              Quote: Cottodraton
              The reality is that foreign special services are eliminating their pets from among the traitors.


              Reality? And who has been liquidated in recent years? Even Skripal (who, incidentally, served time for his betrayal) remained alive. Whom did they liquidate?
      2. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 30 August 2020 17: 24
        +3
        Different people work there.
        As in the Internet, they write here different - normal and like you.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 30 August 2020 17: 56
          0
          And people like you. Or the couch killer from the beginning of the topic.
          1. Thunderbringer
            Thunderbringer 30 August 2020 18: 05
            +1
            That's right, and people like me are normal, and people like you.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 21: 08
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbringer
          Different people work there.

          Surname weak to run? wink Okay, the FSB is a secret office, but in terms of the Ministry of Internal Affairs I can easily "stretch" almost the entire manual for Togliatti. bully According to the stories of friends, in the Samara GUVD, the professionalism of employees is also assessed not by professional suitability, but by personal loyalty.
          And this is the question - on what kind of secret data do you base your opinion that the majority of the office's employees look after the interests of the Fatherland, and not their own pocket?
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 20: 59
        +1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        It is a great motive to have the next elections without any problems.

        By the way, it is for this reason that Platoshkin and Bykov were arrested. Pissing power. On the last point about Stirlitz to the point! good
        1. Siberian54
          Siberian54 31 August 2020 07: 59
          +2
          flies separately, cutlets separately ... Platoshkin is a politician, Bykov (if you are talking about Krasnoyarsk) is a bandit who participated in the seizure of Sayanogorsk aluminum with corpses. The investigation apparently (in 15 years) managed to get the bandit's accomplice to talk
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 31 August 2020 08: 51
            +1
            Quote: Siberian54
            The investigation apparently (in 15 years) managed to get the bandy's accomplice to talk
            Bykov is the same politician, google biography. Karaulov has a program where he examines in detail the personality of Bykov and the nuances of the accusation. And the term there is not 15 years, but 25. That is, all terms have passed. In addition, the entire accusation is based only on the testimony of one person who was released on parole immediately after giving this testimony.
            1. Siberian54
              Siberian54 31 August 2020 09: 03
              +1
              But due to someone's whim, three corpses were formed there .. In general, he was not "lucky" then Lebed tried to arrange a show trial (it all ended with the Krasnoyarsk aluminum going to the Cherny brothers to Jews) and now the investigation caught up with him. On politics: every bandyuk received a billion becomes a politician and buys a party ...
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 31 August 2020 09: 31
                +1
                Nevertheless, Bykov ruled KRAZ in fairness. The people of Krasnoyarsk love him, and he had every chance of becoming a governor.
                Deripaska works only for the Kremlin and London.
                1. Siberian54
                  Siberian54 1 September 2020 13: 35
                  0
                  Flew on the choices, and now his lawyer Us is the governor
                2. brat07
                  brat07 2 September 2020 02: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Nevertheless, Bykov ruled KRAZ in fairness. The people of Krasnoyarsk love him, and he had every chance of becoming a governor.
                  Deripaska works only for the Kremlin and London.

                  Well, actually, KRAZ produced Kremenchug. And this is Ukraine, not like Krasnoyarsk. And so it is.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 2 September 2020 12: 39
                    +2
                    Krasnoyarsk aluminum plant. wink
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 30 August 2020 18: 02
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      There is no motive. The power rating is as low as ever, the game of good tsar and bad boyars is getting worse. Control over zombie tv gives less and less.

      The motive may even be in the Sinal, that everything is serious and the authorities will act decisively .. I have long felt that Putin does not solve anything at all and of course this is not his doing. Behind him are more serious grandfathers .. and now they could not like Navalny very much and pose a danger, especially considering the fact that mass protests began in many cities of Russia, and in the Republic of Belarus.
    3. BAI
      BAI 30 August 2020 18: 39
      +3
      Facts for. 1) The vertical of power; no one else could have given such an order.

      The authorities need Navalny's death least of all. A comfortable, predictable oppositionist with a criminal record. There is always something to press for, more than 2-4% does not collect. Why change it to someone new, unpredictable?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 30 August 2020 20: 09
        0
        Everything is so ... but he already managed to take the youth out onto the street .. and in this situation he could repeat it ... but now it is risky, other citizens can also join, since then there have been much more dissatisfied people ..
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 31 August 2020 08: 45
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          but he already managed to take the youth out into the street ..

          Small-minded youth do not need a lot of mind to condescend to snotty gopota. More precisely, the mind is completely unnecessary here. You need an iPhone for selfies in the paddy wagon, jumping around and faith in $ 5000 for participating in these flash mobs.
    4. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 31 August 2020 03: 30
      +1
      Is it worth writing such a ton of rubbish and mud? After all, you don't feel sorry for your time ...
  19. imobile2008
    imobile2008 30 August 2020 16: 21
    -9
    Quote: andr327
    Apparently, the West itself wrote off Navalny, and decided to take the last dividends from him in the form of a sacred sacrifice.

    Judging from the article, death is not profitable except for those whom he exposed. If the preparation takes about 3 months, then you need to watch the video during this time, although maybe they all got together and soaked it.
  20. imobile2008
    imobile2008 30 August 2020 16: 27
    -8
    Quote: ved_med12
    First you need to decide on the fact whether Navalny was poisoned! Then, to prove that he was poisoned by someone intentionally ... And only then, who benefits from it and who COULD commit it!

    Who wants to look for opportunities, who does not want - reasons. Here, even the most complete goof understands that the Kremlin is connected, only how, that's the question.
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    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 30 August 2020 22: 05
      +1
      "The ultimate goof understands that the Kremlin is tied," and normal people capable of analysis understand that the death of this loser, which is published in circulation, is like an umbrella for the Kremlin. psWhen you delete it again, I would like to hear an explanation.
  21. imobile2008
    imobile2008 30 August 2020 16: 39
    -6
    Quote: Odyssey

    Conclusion, in my opinion, the arguments against are more weighty. The organizer is not Putin.
    However, now the authorities know both the type of poison and, most likely, the organizers.
    It also seems to me not Putin. But what is not investigated indicates that everything is known. It will be like with Nemtsov, remember Putin said, these hot guys from Chechnya, just right behind the machine gun and put the closest guard Kadyrov, but no customers were found. :) As if he, besides Kadyrov, had contact with someone
  22. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 30 August 2020 16: 51
    0
    Quote: "But they were replaced by the face of Alexei Navalny and his investigation of the cost of dachas and land plots from officials and top managers of state corporations." Well, they really want such dachas ... well, they really want ... That's the whole program.
  23. svp67
    svp67 30 August 2020 16: 56
    +2
    In addition, the Germans turned to the British laboratory Porton Down
    "Novice", "Pervachok" and the hedgehog with them ...
    Navalny was no longer the one to create competition, so moreover, painfully ambitious figures appeared at his side, the same Sobol. So, what would not hurt to look in their ranks, and who benefits from it?
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 30 August 2020 17: 32
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Navalny was no longer the one to create competition

      No, he was at the maximum. It can be clearly seen from the popularity of his video and smart voting against the background of the complete collapse of the "systemic opposition".
      The power, after zeroing and during the economic crisis, is experiencing more and more problems.
      Quote: svp67
      not only that, painfully ambitious figures appeared at his side, the same Sable

      Doesn't pull. There is absolutely no oratorical ability. And the image of a strong woman is good in the West, but here in Moscow. But it is not applicable to all of Russia.
      Quote: svp67
      So, what would not hurt to look in their ranks, and who benefits from it?

      It was unlikely, but possible. However, the facts are control over the hospital in Omsk, its delay, the launch of a cover operation with versions of moonshine, the lack of an investigation, etc. ruled out this version.
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 August 2020 18: 20
        +1
        Quote: Odyssey
        No, he was at the maximum.

        No longer ... after all, he was already on the decline. Many questions were already being presented to him ...
        Quote: Odyssey
        Doesn't pull. There is absolutely no oratorical ability.

        I may be wrong, but someone from those who manipulate all our "liberals" has hit too hard on feminism. Either the elderly Hillary will expose the president of the greatest country in the Western world, then in Belarus Tikhon's faceless and devoid of will and charm, so I would not be surprised if the new "leader" of the "liberal Russian opposition" will have the same "woman's face"
    2. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 31 August 2020 06: 10
      +2
      There, among other things, charisma is needed ... Neither Navalny, who resembles Yeltsin in a drinking bout, nor Sobol, which evokes associations with a skunk, and even less the Gozmans / Bykovs / Khodorkovskys do not possess it. All these "brothers" cause rejection in one way or another, even outwardly, and even when they open their mouths ... They also have supporters of the kind - burr-pimply-bespectacled-plump, loose teenagers or crazy vagabonds who threw another glass. I have not seen anyone adequate ... At best, crooks, dreaming of "the interests of the revolution" to snatch something. How many such rabble I have seen enough being in the Communist Party ... Today he is a "communist", but the Liberal Democratic Party, then at a rally of Navalny ... And sometimes at the same time everywhere. But the main thing is the thirst for money and not to do anything with your hands ... There are no brains, but this is compensated by cunning. Which they consider to be their "great mind".
  24. parusnik
    parusnik 30 August 2020 17: 06
    +3
    I don’t understand why to inflate the situation with Navalny? And even more so to make him an opposition leader? In addition to FBK, he has nothing under his booty. Plus, the litigation, I don't remember how they ended. This only suggests that Akela is a dead leader. Based on this, it seems that Navalny is preparing a replacement .. And what would it look like more or less worthy, a story with poisoning was invented, like replacing the fallen and tired, here's a new leader, especially four years before the elections and a replacement just in time ...
  25. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 30 August 2020 17: 07
    +2
    The author's reflections are absurd - he seems to admit that the entire structure created by Nava is based on his authority and charisma, and admits that there are no other activities similar to him in the scale of opposition, he also admits that he is very famous and recognizable - and at the same time, like A panel flying around a chalk-drawn amulet - the author diligently bypasses conclusions from these moments he himself admits. Kind of like sticking to the fact that the story is "muddy" and that Nav was a bad and muddy uncle, his activities were generally bullshit and he didn't really hurt the authorities. ... Amazing! Here is a living example of Orwellian doublethink)

    There are three options for what could have happened in this case:

    1) Nava decided to temporarily withdraw from the game - Belarus, Khabarovsk, September regional elections. The comrade began to show excessive activity for the authorities in covering protest events, collecting funds, and negativizing the image of personalities from the State Medical Institute.

    2) After all these coronavirus sitting, Nav went too far with activity, mixed alcohol, pills - age no longer plays on his field.

    3) Nava bombarded one of his own - in order to throw some wood into the protest cauldron - again, because many third-party vectors converged - Belarus, Khabarovsk. And not as it is fashionable to say "Curators" - namely from the party.

    The complete elimination of it would not be good for anyone - for the authorities this is a more or less adequate embodiment of evil, actively puffing out for all our opposition and not eating public money at the same time. Plus there would be too much noise associated with this.
    For "friends" it would not be an option for obvious reasons - which even the author himself "noticed". There are no figures with his charisma. And although there may be some discrepancies in the variants and time of the protests, he is the undisputed face of the whole crowd.

    Actually, if we come to the question "who would benefit right now from this?" - everything is very clear (to everyone except the author) - Navalny's website is not updated, on Thursday 2 there is complete on-air silence and no one crumbles a bun to Belarus or Khabarovsk. But, of course, I am not Baba Wang and option 2 is also possible.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 30 August 2020 17: 28
      +2
      The third option is very nice. This "flock of comrades" will sell the folder for "greenery", let alone overwhelm a competitor, but with profit, this is a "holy" cause. hi
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 30 August 2020 17: 48
        +2
        I don't think it's about the greenery. On the example of the revolutionary (or something like that) movements of the past, it is very clear that these movements are heterogeneous - often there is a rather heated confrontation between their radicals, monarchists and democrats. It is likely that after 2014, some part of the "party" was very inspired by the Maidan-like options - some, on the contrary, saw that such an option would vryatli ride for the second time in a country with much more power tools, control, means, etc. After 2014 (as far as I understand), conclusions were drawn on a more long-term and systematic preparation, shaking the foundation and discrediting structures - and probably even on the option of legitimizing as an opposition movement (in the event that our classical opposition continues to degrade) ... But, of course, part of the movement will not agree too much with this - there are those who organically love impulsiveness and adventures.
        In the opposition of such people within the movement, I would have believed much more than in an overseas uncle who literally knocks the floor out from under the feet of increasing coverage of protests and the future "smart vote".
        Again, I hardly believe in option number 3. Of course, it has the likelihood of existence, but so far I do not see even a hint of profit from this. Nav himself has said more than once that most of the population of the Russian Federation does not even suspect about its existence - so "shaking" people by liquidating it is most likely a stupid idea.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 31 August 2020 02: 05
          0
          Nava's task was very simple: to show what we ourselves seem to be guessing about. Popularize our guesses. Someone in power needed it. If I say humanly: is Nav as honest as a person, I, as an opponent, will answer him: Yes! Honest! No matter how he was "driven". But, as a politician, he is deceitful! For he did not accept the worldview that was offered to him.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 31 August 2020 12: 28
            -1
            Lying is the essence of any policy. A person appears whose task is to "correct" your values ​​and interests so that it corresponds to the structure he is building and the interests of the group he represents or the public majority or some kind of ideology. All the saints live in monasteries, and politics has always been for nutcrackers and waneks.
        2. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 31 August 2020 08: 53
          +2
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          these movements are heterogeneous

          Homogeneous. Look at the root. All are alike in striving to direct the distribution of wealth. And as you know, sharing equally is boring, uninteresting and does not at all improve personal liberal-material well-being.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 31 August 2020 12: 39
            -1
            You reduce it to money and think like a man of logic. The problem is that not all revolutionaries are people of logic. Often there are radicals who like to test themselves and indulge their intellect, these people are reckless and passionate not because of something material - this is their essence.
            It is no secret that after many successful revolutions, soon, there is a purge of just such members of the "movement" (or vice versa, they are cleaning).
            1. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 31 August 2020 12: 56
              +1
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              there are radicals who like to test themselves and indulge their intellect

              You are talking about an ideological banner of revolutions. This level is no longer the tool-crowd, but also not the "managers" who control the process in order to gain power - that is, the same control over the distribution of goods. Ideologists are most often not practitioners, people of logic, as you put it with a manic belief in your fixed idea. Socialism is beautiful ideologically, but they could not carry the idea for a long time, because the "managers" needed their hands in order to fill their pockets. And you say there were no liberals in the USSR. When I feed the piglets, it all reminds me of the USSR and perestroika, it seems that the trough is complete, but the bustle begins with a crush for the carve-up and some "pig" will definitely turn the trough :)
            2. brat07
              brat07 2 September 2020 04: 31
              0
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              You reduce it to money and think like a man of logic. The problem is that not all revolutionaries are people of logic. Often there are radicals who like to test themselves and indulge their intellect, these people are reckless and passionate not because of something material - this is their essence.
              It is no secret that after many successful revolutions, soon, there is a purge of just such members of the "movement" (or vice versa, they are cleaning).

              Highlighted by me. From my point of view, you are mistaken!
              Passionarity, yes, it is, but with logic not everything is so simple!
              And yes, let's leave the radicals outside the brackets, because the radicals are not exactly revolutionaries.
              Examples of mass.
              ISIS are revolutionaries or where?
              And what about the events in Libya? Are they also revolutionaries? Well, etc.
              But all this rabble is also passionate? wink
              Is everything okay with their logic?
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 2 September 2020 12: 35
                0
                You share the indivisible - the radicals are part of any revolution)) Without them, any ideologue will remain a parliamentary balabol) The issue of the level of radicalism is also controversial - people involved in murder and expropriation who overthrew the official authorities were often accepted on the international arena very soon, if their case BURNED OUT. Well, if not, then yes, they could be called whatever you like. However, I see a potential controversy at the level of literalism - so stay with yours if you wish.

                "Events in Libya" - very much reminiscent of the mess of our own revolution and civil war - is understood with the amendment that the king survived, mentality, size of the country, etc. The same huge confusion of ideological views and apologists use all means to defend these views (often openly cannibalistic). The same ISIS essentially called for absolutely the same thing that the Bolsheviks called for - to arrange a world caliphate, to punish the infidels, etc. And he often acted very similarly - cultural annihilation, denial of basic rights, ultra-violence, expropriation.

                As for the logic - in functional terms, this is a chain of constructions that leads from the current position to the declared result, which is declared in the same way.
                We take the example of the Bolsheviks - who talked a lot about the world revolution, and relied on the logic that they would make a revolution at home, then Germany would rise, then they would raise the whole of Europe, then England would rise, and then the revolution would happen in the USA - and Bingo!
                The difference between such "logic" and the usual one is in the degree of adding adventurous assumptions in the constructions. If there are not many of them, the machine works, if you are very lucky, then also. Adolf Hitler had the same "logic" - that he would take and maneuver, and then epic nightmares, impress and blitzkrieg - and, accordingly, everyone would be afraid and prostrate themselves in front of his 70 millionth dem. potential. And it worked - up to a certain point, beyond which his logic became dust. Like the logic of the Bolsheviks, it became dust when the Polish campaign, the revolution in Germany failed, and we had to roll back to the NEP.

                So, from all this, I will deduce - that there are people who observe a sense of proportion in logical constructions, and there are those who take the gamble - that let us throw tires on the Maidan, burn fires for a week - and the fruit itself will fall into your hands. In the modern revolution, there are such people in bulk :-) Their business may or may not burn out - but they will try, this is their essence, and others will always come to their place.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 30 August 2020 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      There are three options for what could have happened in this case:

      1) Definitely not. The fact that he remained alive was just a coincidence. Had the plane landed an hour later (and they landed it despite the message about mining), there would have been a corpse. And further with the state of coma, the outcome cannot be guaranteed in advance.
      2) Rejected by the authorities themselves, who published the schedule of his movements and actions. The scope of the surveillance is impressive, by the way.
      3) Possible, but unlikely. Capitalism is accounting. There is a clear chain of command. And the subsequent facts, from the special operation in Omsk to the absence of an investigation, put an end to this version.
      Almost 100% poisoned by any person involved in his investigation or afraid of a new one. One of the oligarchic-mafia clans - Prigozhinsky, Kadyrovsky, some Zolotov, etc. But not the FSB and not Putin himself.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 30 August 2020 18: 10
        +2
        The option with "revenge of a private person who appears in his investigations" - I probably would not consider. The lethal outcome will lead to the fact that such a private person will be found by the same authorities, because it will definitely not work to bring the arrows in this case to some Tajik IS * (* blablablablaa) or inadequate Vasya Pupkin who has a grudge against Navalny. Consequently, any figure with motives of private revenge must understand that with a high degree of probability she will be found sooner or later, at least for reasons of state prestige in the international arena.

        You see, poisoning people over the hill is even more or less justified from the point of view of "purely concocted" well, etc. And inside the country, it makes no sense. 1 of the screw cutters confiscated from the bandits, stolen somewhere on the border of the 90s-2000s - and, in fact, everything, the issue has been resolved. After all, Nav does not walk around surrounded by gloomy uncles with folding suitcases.

        And as far as I know about more or less modern toxic substances (not contact poisons) - if they get inside, then the option will be as close as possible to the dosage) You need to send a person to Valhalla - just a little more, you need him to stay in a coma - that will be ... Do not forget that this dirty crap in our country has been worked on for decades and many people with scientific degrees)
  26. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 30 August 2020 17: 14
    0
    A muddy story with the poisoning of Alexei Navalny in fact deprived leader of the Russian liberal opposition.

    Has a muddy history deprived or deprived? belay
    The story is really murky. This turbidity is manifested not in the incident with Navalny, but in the fact that just before the September 13 elections, events took place that will make concrete changes in the process of "smart voting". Or is the "non-opposition" going to argue that last year YEDRO lost its seats in many cities as a result of this? The attitude of the people towards this party is very definite.
    NN Platoshkin has been under house arrest for more than two months (at the instigation of Fedorov "edros") ...

    Navalny is in a coma due to poisoning ...
    Something a lot of strange coincidences ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 August 2020 20: 24
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Under house arrest for more than two months (at the instigation of "edros" Fedorov)

      You might think that Fedorov is the procurator of Judea, Pilate winked
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 30 August 2020 21: 11
      -2
      On September 13, the day of the single vote, a command was given to all election commissions in districts where elections are held only on party lists, to count 51% for United Russia. it ORDER... Other parties can divide the remaining 49% as they want. Navalny would have been unable to do anything even if he wanted to. But his activities have always been aimed at other tasks.
  27. Thunderbringer
    Thunderbringer 30 August 2020 17: 22
    -2
    The authors of the Navalny project felt that something had gone wrong. Perhaps the project did not justify itself.
    The project collapses. His "leader" among the Aborigines, as a possible useful figure in the future, was taken to the west, for which the operation "poisoning the leader of the opposition" was carried out.
    Most likely there was no poisoning at all. I am sure that in the near future Navalny will be "discharged" from the German clinic.
    Unless, of course, its owners decide to liquidate it. But this most likely will not take place - a very well-promoted figure will be used further.
    The question is how? At least it is unambiguously clear - a new program is being prepared in connection with the imminent offensive of 2024.
    1. Avior
      Avior 31 August 2020 00: 05
      0
      Is the Omsk hospital also in cahoots?
  28. rocket757
    rocket757 30 August 2020 17: 29
    +2
    Funny !!!
    The cop is dead for a long time! Having quarreled with everyone, betraying everyone and everything, who were like their own.
    Such people are sacrificed, Schaub finally repeated at least!
    Cynical, rude, not ... kind !!! But the truth is not always good.
    On my own behalf, God forbid him to recover and not go anywhere, the performance is over.
    There is a doubt, he is not needed by the owners, the living.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 30 August 2020 18: 20
      +1
      In a chess game, any piece can be sacrificed ... except the king.
      So any politician who is more or less literate should cover his ass and monitor the situation.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 August 2020 18: 43
        0
        Not a king, and no longer attracted to any other serious figure.
        A serious politician is one who, even from those whom he betrayed, manages to have gratitude.
        This was not thanked, that's for sure.
      2. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 31 August 2020 08: 58
        +1
        Quote: Campanella
        In a chess game, any piece can be sacrificed ... except for the king, so any politician ...

        Any politician should understand that politics is not chess, it is "checkers in Chapaev" but with a serious face :)
  29. Tagan
    Tagan 30 August 2020 17: 36
    +3
    Quote: imobile2008
    There are two options that are perfectly fine, pick one:
    1. Navalny has been poisoned by the Kremlin, which is why no investigation is carried out, so that FSB agents do not surface.
    2. Navalny is poisoned by US agents, then Putin works for the US together with the FSB and the prosecutor's office, and therefore they do not want an investigation, so that connections would not surface.

    Other versions do not fit at the root. For example, if they poisoned our own people, and the Kremlin is not tied, then now all the law enforcement agencies would be on their ears. Considering that in order to find a few kopecks, about 200 investigators were involved in especially important cases.

    Only from what you could think of, will we choose?)))
    Why not choose the third one, if we take into account the fact that Lesha did not like to pay the bills, or was not responsible for the market. As an option, I remember, he promised the youngsters payment for driving in paddy wagons. "Where is the money, Zin?" The question was still open. ;)
  30. Tagan
    Tagan 30 August 2020 17: 51
    0
    Quote: imobile2008
    Quote: Operator
    Gestapo doctors from the Charite clinic: The anal one was poisoned, but no traces of the poison were found - like the patient has cancer, but the tumor is absent.

    "... ...", - S. Lavrov (C)

    The clinic said that he was poisoned with poison from the "Novichok" family and it will take more than one week to get the exact formula.

    Newbie? Oh well. And the second time they left the FSB business card, right?)))
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 30 August 2020 18: 08
      +1
      If they started talking about the Novice, it was definitely a Western operation. Stupidly and without imagination.
      They could not think of anything else.
  31. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 30 August 2020 18: 05
    0
    Muddy stories are all too often.
    Either Comrade Yeltsin was there somewhere, something ... He tried to drown. True, unsuccessfully.
    That comrade Yushchenko was again fiercely persecuted. Comrade Timoshenko, the campaign is breaking all records. She was already being poisoned and imprisoned, and her legs refused. The most alive friend is ...
    Such is the squiggle ... repeat
  32. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 30 August 2020 18: 06
    0
    The question is not correctly posed, Navalny is not the head, but the executor. And you cannot behead anyone by killing him.
  33. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 30 August 2020 18: 06
    +1
    Most likely, this character is no longer fresh, causes yawning, there are moments where he screwed up. It's time to change the "girls".
    For one special. operation aimed at Germany. The "poisoned" was quickly sent to a German clinic.
    This can help to change the position of Germany, first of all, and some other EU countries to a more harsh anti-Russian or less pro-Russian on various issues:
    - SP2
    - countering US sanctions
    - Reduction of old sanctions or even
    - Introduction of new sanctions
    - common position on Gazprom and LNG
    - Germany's position on the Republic of Belarus and Lukoshenko
    - Germany's influence on the EU on the RB issue
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 August 2020 18: 11
      0
      Quote: Pandiurin
      For one special. operation aimed at Germany. The "poisoned" was quickly sent to a German clinic.


      Do you think that a foreign special service has carried out an operation to poison Navalny in Russia?
      1. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 30 August 2020 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Quote: Pandiurin
        For one special. operation aimed at Germany. The "poisoned" was quickly sent to a German clinic.


        Do you think that a foreign special service has carried out an operation to poison Navalny in Russia?


        Quite simply, Navalny is a purely "opposition" project of the Western special services, surrounded, most likely, full of the same with close "contacts" to the west. For duplication and control.
        Just for example, he might not even have been poisoned with poison, he ate some kind of food supplement against the background of a diet for weight loss, then replaced with another, also "harmless" but opposite action, against the background of withdrawal syndrome and a glass of vodka, plus a subsequent cup of coffee and the client was joked. They saved him only by providing efficient and quick help.
        In such cases, he did not even have any poisons and was not in the body. Just to do this, you need access to the body and control over its nutrition or its assistance. So yes western specials. services could easily do this through his environment without much risk of falling asleep.

        IMHO. I think that the vodka he drank the day before turned out to be an "antidote" and eventually saved him)
        Well, something like "what death to a German ..."
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 30 August 2020 20: 05
          0
          Vodka can be saved from denatured alcohol, that's right, even from something nerve-paralytic ... but, in combination with some medications, you can get such a raskolbas that God forbid!
          One thing is obvious, for the Kremlin about was not dangerous, from the definition at all .... why poison him? And to start a business, you need a cold body or a diagnosis of deliberate poisoning.
          There is neither one nor the other. On what to build a business? On the diagnoses of all sorts of medical do / R / ex, or what? German doctors have a murky diagnosis ... either poisoned or not! they do not speak directly! Because the analyzes were done here too, i.e. we have bio material to check their "diagnosis" !!! They will not dare to blatantly lie, they will stir up, nothing more.
          By the way, about a newbie, this is a complete bullshit, but the substance that, as they expect, travanuli is used in medications, medical, just in intensive care, in cases of restoring the patient's natural breathing, after using ventilators !!!
          Surely, after all, it is WRITTEN in the medical history !!! No wonder the Germans asked ours for a description of the resuscitation procedure, diagnosis, etc., of the patient! They don't want to get into a big mess because of a worthless patient.
          Careful and rightly so!
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 30 August 2020 21: 33
          -2
          Navalny was never a project of Western intelligence services! It just couldn't be by definition. I write a word project... At some point he was "picked up", yes! But late, he has already become a man of the "office". But the Brigadier was a project, by the way, very successful.
        3. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 30 August 2020 22: 11
          -1
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Do you think that a foreign special service has carried out an operation to poison Navalny in Russia?


          Easily


          Well ... I don’t have a high opinion of the FSB, but it’s unlikely that they are so bad that they allow foreign intelligence services to kill citizens of their country.
          1. Pandiurin
            Pandiurin 31 August 2020 00: 03
            0
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Quote: Pandiurin
            Do you think that a foreign special service has carried out an operation to poison Navalny in Russia?


            Easily


            Well ... I don’t have a high opinion of the FSB, but it’s unlikely that they are so bad that they allow foreign intelligence services to kill citizens of their country.


            Provocation, sabotage is easier to arrange than to prevent, at least there can be several attempts. If the special services were so omniscient and operational, there would be no terrorist attacks in countries.

            They often work proactively to limit potential opportunities.
            Probably, they probably said that his vigorous activity in a hickey with Western curators is undesirable and may lead to the fact that he will be used in the dark or as an object (victim) in some provocations. And of course he listened and took into account)

            Again, it's not a fact that someone tried to poison him. He switched to youngsters (mature adults are no longer fooled) need to be age-appropriate with the target audience.
            Navalny is no longer a young man with an appropriate build, muscle mass and fat. It was necessary to lose a lot of weight to a puny physique. If you eat more or less normally and go to the gym, then this is practically impossible, not everyone succeeds, you need not get out of the gym. Most often they use something from the "effective" and alternative, and everyone is told that this is a sport and a diet. It is not known what Navalny was stuffing into himself. We just know that Omsk doctors said that there was a problem with metabolism.

            As a joke: Hollywood actors use an ointment for hemorrhoids, smear on the eyelids to remove swelling in the morning after drinking.
            No one thinks about the health consequences, the main thing is to look good on camera.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 31 August 2020 00: 09
              0
              Quote: Pandiurin
              If the special services were so omniscient and operational, there would be no terrorist attacks in countries.


              So they almost do not happen.

              Quote: Pandiurin
              Probably probably said


              How do you know ...

              I don't even want to comment on the rest - some fantasies and projections.
            2. rruvim
              rruvim 31 August 2020 01: 32
              0
              You probably go to the gym for sure and look at yourself in the mirror in the morning. As far as I remember Alexei in the early 2000s, on business trips, he only brushed his teeth (not a witness) and smoothed his hair with a wet hand. His whole toilet ...
  34. Campanella
    Campanella 30 August 2020 18: 17
    0
    Why does the West need a leader?
    They have mastered the new leaderless technology. Take any minuet lover and here's a temporary acting non-leader!
  35. Klingon
    Klingon 30 August 2020 18: 24
    -1
    Quote: Egoza
    And I am most of all "touched" by the Charite clinic! The refuge of all the offended and poisoned! And Yushchenko was there, and Tymoshenko was treated, now Navalny! And they can't really diagnose anyone or provide treatment. Yes, if the author knew about such "competence", he would have assigned the radio operator Kat to another clinic.

    and in Russia were you able to make a diagnosis?
  36. BAI
    BAI 30 August 2020 18: 29
    0
    since no other candidate for the leadership role is foreseen yet,

    There is such a leader! And everyone knows him. This is the presidential candidate K. Sobchak.
  37. Klingon
    Klingon 30 August 2020 18: 29
    0
    whatever he was, good bad, but still a man. And yes, he exposed the arrogant, choking top. What's bad? or everyone likes that they are considered cattle and are ripped off by pension reforms or taxes on the air.
    probably better let THESE prosper Rogozin, Nabiullina, Manturov, Red, Dimon ... got tired of listing
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 August 2020 19: 33
      0
      Quote: Klingon
      or everyone likes that they are considered cattle and are ripped off by pension reforms or taxes on the air.

      Apparently I like it, since there is such animal joy about human poisoning.
  38. Freeman
    Freeman 30 August 2020 19: 30
    -1
    what Hmm ... "Interesting game" is being planned.

    From the article -
    Interestingly, the entire process of Navalny's treatment was taken under personal control by German Chancellor Angela Merkel: according to media reports, she is personally reported daily about the state of health of a Russian citizen. And this is against the backdrop of the fact that in Berlin thousands of rallies against coronavirus restrictions are being held, for which the authorities of the German capital do not issue permits.


    RIA Novosti message -
    MOSCOW, August 30 - RIA Novosti. Participants in a Berlin protest against measures to combat coronavirus began to chant "Putin!" This was reported by journalist Dmitry Smirnov in the telegram channel.
    In the published video, the protesters are holding Russian flags. A voiceover said that he asked them why they went out with them to protest.
    "Because Putin can put pressure on Trump," the man quoted one of the protesters interviewed.


    The reaction of the Russian Internet -
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 44
      0
      In general, Lesha can become a good leader for the Alternative for Germany movement. He drunkenly told me twenty years ago that he had German roots. It's time to show them!
  39. Turist1996
    Turist1996 30 August 2020 19: 31
    0
    And the question immediately arises: who benefits from this whole situation ?! Who is the beneficiary of this "action" ?!
    The fact that the whole situation is "not just like that", and the notorious "hedgehog" is clear ..
  40. ImPerts
    ImPerts 30 August 2020 19: 33
    -1
    It is necessary to do everything - to push differently against the leader Sobol L. It will be wonderful. A kind of quintessence of the whole show.
    Z. Y. My opinion is that Lyosha overdid his anti-hangover efforts while taking medications.
  41. APASUS
    APASUS 30 August 2020 19: 50
    0
    Everyone who does it does it with only one purpose, and that is to draw attention to the poison!
    After all, Navalny could not drown in the sea, get hit by a car, get stabbed in the market (in a dispute with hot Asian sellers). We need a specific trail! That's why the customer poisons them all with polonium, a novice, organophosphate poisons, there is no other way !!!
  42. Disorder
    Disorder 30 August 2020 20: 04
    0
    Xisyan will survive. Nobody has died from Charite yet. The "lady with the wheel" was diagnosed, according to which she had to ride in a wheelchair until the end of her life, but when the Maidan began, she was nimble like an electric broom.
    One miracle named Verzilov lay with poisoning a couple of years ago in the Charite. They did not find what he poisoned with. Yes, that Sisyan and Verzilov, Quasimodo Yushchenko were also examined in the Charite, for 15 years it is not clear what he was doing.
    We need to take them to Porton Down, and they will immediately find the Novice.
  43. certero
    certero 30 August 2020 20: 05
    +1
    Quote: Anti-librast
    when the Union fell and freedom of speech and action came, the intelligentsia, apart from their own backside, had nothing to show on the stage

    I agree a thousand percent. With these words, art workers groaned that censorship does not allow self-expression, but such shit that appeared on screens and in literature in the nineties, apart from disgust, causes nothing.
    Rare exceptions only the rules confirm
  44. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 30 August 2020 20: 20
    -1
    That's right!
    Poisoned - not poisoned - you must immediately charm!

    Nefig on the pillars - Chubais, Medvedev, Usmanov, Serdyukov - raise your hand ...
    Bribes and dachas love silence ...

    Better let the Rogozins, Zheleznyaks, Peskovs, Arshukovs and others, in the quiet of their offices, lead people to a bright future ...
    Your loved ones ...
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 53
      0
      Rogozin was familiar with Navalny on the Russian march. Through KRO.
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 31 August 2020 19: 52
        0
        I suppose half were familiar. Muscovites. Not on the march, so through parties or courts ...
  45. rruvim
    rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 35
    -1
    Let's look at one more suggestion: Was Navalny taken to Germany?
  46. rruvim
    rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 39
    -2
    My guess is that the "office" simply "hid" Navalny from its associates amid the scandal in Belarus. How they came to an agreement with Merkel is not yet clear.
  47. rruvim
    rruvim 30 August 2020 20: 50
    -1
    It will be boring to live without Alexey! Really boring! "Office" always needs drainers, people who love truth. But no one will say bad things about Alexei. An exemplary family man, Christian, inmate, and as women say - a smart guy. I'm already writing an obituary ... winked
  48. rruvim
    rruvim 30 August 2020 21: 20
    -4
    Imagine that Navalny is an altruist. He knows perfectly well that the "office" through him leaks compromising evidence on certain officials who are getting out of control. Example: Chaika and Yakunin, but at the same time believes that at least somehow "stirring up" corruption. Albeit through the KGB. Look at the data on Russian Railways, after Yakunin was sent from the post of head of Russian Railways (with the filing of Navalny through the "office"), Russian Railways' revenues increased by 500 (five hundred) percent.
  49. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 30 August 2020 22: 02
    +2
    You can call Navalny whatever you want, but few have the courage to do what he did. Even for money.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 30 August 2020 22: 16
      -1
      He did what he did. And many will not have enough courage, especially if the TFR says that you will not be obedient, we will put your brother in prison. And they planted. And the "office" in the other ear: the brother will sit as in a resort ...
  50. Klingon
    Klingon 30 August 2020 22: 03
    -1
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: Klingon
    or everyone likes that they are considered cattle and are ripped off by pension reforms or taxes on the air.

    Apparently I like it, since there is such animal joy about human poisoning.

    well, it's full of Kremlin trolls and urrryaklov. they like it, yeah drinks