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Ukraine called the condition of direct negotiations with the leadership of the DPR and LPR

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In Ukraine, the possibility of holding local elections in the territories of Donbass not controlled by Kiev is being discussed. Let us remind you that the conduct of such elections is spelled out in the Minsk agreements.


Earlier, the chairman of the Ukrainian representation in the Trilateral Contact Group, Leonid Kravchuk, appealed to the Verkhovna Rada with a proposal to bring Ukrainian legislation to a form that would ensure the legitimacy of elections in the DPR and LPR.

The Verkhovna Rada declares that Kravchuk's proposal on this issue is supported, "probably not."

Meanwhile, Vitold Fokin, Deputy Chairman of the Ukrainian Representation in the Trilateral Contact Group, called the condition for direct negotiations with the leadership of the LDNR.

According to Mr. Fokin, such negotiations are possible only if they are approved by the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada. The Ukrainian representative made such a statement as an answer to the question of whether the members of the contact group from Ukraine plan to travel to Donetsk and Lugansk for direct negotiations. Earlier, the same Fokin said in an interview that both he and Kravchuk are ready to go to negotiations on territories not controlled by Kiev.

From an interview with Zelensky, which is being discussed in Ukraine today, primarily because of the behavior in front of the camera of the president himself:

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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 30 August 2020 08: 18 New
    11
    The photo was chosen well - an old, hardened rat!

    Here, of course, looks in more detail .. But there are similarities.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 August 2020 08: 24 New
      +7
      Deputy Chairman of the Ukrainian Representation in the Trilateral Contact Group Vitold Fokin called the condition for direct negotiations with the leadership of the LPRP.


      Were all the old senile people gathered, or else something was lying around somewhere?

      Vitold Pavlovich Fokin (born October 25, 1932) - Soviet and Ukrainian party, state and political leader, the first prime minister of independent Ukraine (1990-1992).

      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 30 August 2020 08: 29 New
        -26
        ABOUT! I see you are no longer sleeping and have time to "run" with "minuses" on my modest person?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 August 2020 08: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          ABOUT! I see you are no longer sleeping and have time to "run" with "minuses" on my modest person?

          Your "modest" persona can indicate which of eighty eight(if I am not mistaken) minuses in this assessment of your comment Mine?

          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 30 August 2020 08: 43 New
            -20
            Yes, here he is!
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 30 August 2020 08: 45 New
              16
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Yes, here he is!

              All FIVE ?!?! belay fool

              Aren't you overly obsessed with your "modest person"?
              Perhaps you need a doctor?
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 30 August 2020 08: 47 New
                -20
                You distinguish the word THEY from the word HE? Pick one for yourself and enjoy yours, yours. You have to persuade, like a young dad in a maternity hospital ...
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 30 August 2020 08: 49 New
                  11
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  You distinguish the word THEY from the word HE? Pick one for yourself and enjoy yours, yours.

                  Oh-oh-oh how recourse ... Can't we rate your comments as they deserve?
          2. Tatyana Pershina
            Tatyana Pershina 30 August 2020 10: 39 New
            +8
            Quote: Insurgent
            ABOUT! I see you are no longer sleeping and have time to "run" with "minuses" on my modest person?

            In fact, Russia is a big country. It's morning for you, and it's already noon in Vladik.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 30 August 2020 10: 42 New
              +4
              Quote: Tatyana Pershina
              In fact, Russia is a big country. It's morning for you, and it's already noon in Vladik.

              Yes, Russia is great! yes ONLY the quote is not mine ,and "The leader of the Redskins", this is his" quirk "," fad "on the minuses ...
            2. Clear
              Clear 30 August 2020 12: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatyana Pershina
              Quote: Insurgent
              ABOUT! I see you are no longer sleeping and have time to "run" with "minuses" on my modest person?

              In fact, Russia is a big country. It's morning for you, and it's already noon in Vladik.

              This is - yes, the country is big! But, here's the pattern, already generally, the very first posts are biased in one direction. Someone is constantly at the start.
              Or does it seem to me !?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 30 August 2020 13: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: Clear
                This is - yes, the country is big! But, here's the pattern, as a rule, the very first posts are biased in one direction.


                I think that posts can have an unambiguous focus only from case to case, since the composition of commentators in different topics changes.
                Unless, of course, some troll teams are involved ...

                Quote: Clear
                Someone is constantly at the start.


                It is difficult to say something definite. My comment came out in this thread 11 minutes after it was published.
                And in view of the fact that this is "my topic" - Donbass, ex-Ukraine, and everything that happens around it, I do not need any "homework".
                Here it was enough to refresh the knowledge of who Fokine is and find his photo. A matter of technique ...
              2. major147
                major147 30 August 2020 13: 20 New
                +6
                Quote: Clear
                This is - yes, the country is big! But, here's the pattern, as a rule, the very first posts are biased in one direction. Someone is constantly at the start.
                Or does it seem to me !?

                1. Clear
                  Clear 30 August 2020 14: 11 New
                  +4
                  Quote: major147
                  Quote: Clear
                  This is - yes, the country is big! But, here's the pattern, as a rule, the very first posts are biased in one direction. Someone is constantly at the start.
                  Or does it seem to me !?


                  Yes, Sergei. So it doesn't seem to me.
                  1. major147
                    major147 30 August 2020 14: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Clear
                    Yes, Sergei. So it doesn't seem to me.

                    The enemy does not sleep!
                    1. Clear
                      Clear 30 August 2020 14: 40 New
                      +5
                      Quote: major147
                      Quote: Clear
                      Yes, Sergei. So it doesn't seem to me.

                      The enemy does not sleep!

                      lol While we sleep - the enemy is awake ... Sleeping more - weary the enemy!
                      1. major147
                        major147 30 August 2020 14: 41 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Clear
                        We sleep more - we exhaust the enemy!

                        good
      2. major147
        major147 30 August 2020 13: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        All old senile people were collected

        And what is the demand from them? "Grandpa is old, he doesn't care!"
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 August 2020 13: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: major147

          And what is the demand from them? "Grandpa is old, he doesn't care!"

          Yes, and take an unpleasant turn - either he will not live to see the court, or until the verdict ...
    2. businessv
      businessv 31 August 2020 21: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The photo was chosen well - an old, hardened rat!

      And the video is also in the subject. Not only is Ze being a lousy president, he's also a lousy actor. In vain they chose - they wanted a show, got a deja vu!
  2. horus88
    horus88 30 August 2020 08: 19 New
    +7
    Zelenskiy is clearly used to speaking Russian, not Mov.

    And Kravchuk is already tired of waiting in the next world, and everything is itching to swine ..
    1. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 30 August 2020 08: 55 New
      +1
      The clever nuggets are busy with their usual routine: they pull the mulka as much as they can, puffing out their cheeks, making an intelligent (but bad) look and depicting the seething activity of pouring something from empty to empty!
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 30 August 2020 09: 33 New
        +2
        Tuposkunov are used in the dark. They will not understand this - in the dark, jumping is the main thing. And to pull the mulka - and where is this mulka for which they are pulled? laughing
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 30 August 2020 08: 20 New
    +7
    Lord ... does the presidency in Ukraine put everyone on a glass? his face looks like after a week of binge, and this is with the condition that make-up artists correct him in front of the camera ...
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 30 August 2020 08: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Lord ... does the presidency in Ukraine put everyone on a glass? his face looks like after a week of binge, and this is with the condition that make-up artists correct him in front of the camera ...

      laughing "It" has already "sour" so much that even the acting skill has disappeared from it. Trying to portray grief, this pot is more like a drug addict. What a pity.
      1. beeper
        beeper 30 August 2020 09: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Senka Naughty
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Lord ... does the presidency in Ukraine put everyone on a glass? his face looks like after a week of binge, and this is with the condition that make-up artists correct him in front of the camera ...

        laughing "It" has already "sour" so much that even the acting skill has disappeared from it. Trying to portray grief, this pot is more like a drug addict. What a pity.

        hi Why only "similar" ?!
        If it looks "like a duck", quacks "like a duck" and behaves "like a duck" - is this a "duck" and is there ??! yes
        No pity, alas, because even driving a car such "ducks" are hyper-dangerous for the people around them - another cunning "great artist" from the Russian show "bohemia" is a guarantee! negative
    2. Tochilka
      Tochilka 30 August 2020 10: 31 New
      -1
      And if you objectively reason? Maybe responsibility is crushing? Not the director of the donut stand. And the country, which has been predicting collapse for 5 years already, exists.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 30 August 2020 10: 44 New
        0
        it is not predicted. it took place long ago. that crushes on him all on the drum. he is the first person of the state. by definition must be strong.
    3. major147
      major147 30 August 2020 14: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Lord ... does the presidency in Ukraine put everyone on a glass? he has the same face as after a week of drinking

      It's like an old anecdote about Petka and Vasil Ivanovich. "You will light a cigarette here when the banner has been slammed!"
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 30 August 2020 08: 21 New
    +3
    Was it really impossible to find someone out of 40 million Ukrainians for the role of president who would at least inspire with his appearance ... But it's a pity to look at that.
    1. Captivity
      Captivity 30 August 2020 09: 10 New
      0
      Medvedev somehow became president
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 August 2020 11: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Doccor18
      Was it really impossible to find someone out of 40 million Ukrainians for the role of president who would at least inspire with his appearance ... But it's a pity to look at that.

      Not 40 million, but hardly 000 will be typed, and for the poor and siry, they serve better on Europaperti yes
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 August 2020 08: 21 New
    +4
    Ukronatsiks are playing for time in every way. They understand that if there are positive results for the LPR, they will be torn apart by their own.
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  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 30 August 2020 08: 30 New
    +7
    Really, the EU and the Kremlin did not understand that it is impossible at all to negotiate or negotiate with sharovarniki. It's in their blood, the genetic code.
    They say one thing
    They think something else.
    Do the third.
    Perceive only the master's whip.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 30 August 2020 09: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Really, the EU and the Kremlin did not understand that it is impossible at all to negotiate or negotiate with sharovarniki. It's in their blood, the genetic code.
      They say one thing
      They think something else.
      Do the third.
      Perceive only the master's whip.

      The EU and the Kremlin understood this long ago, but the sharovarniki are under the control of the United States, and the United States, as you know, is generally incapable of negotiation, and therefore all their actions are destructive. Until the people there take up the pitchfork and drive out this evil power, nothing will change there, and the people are intimidated and there is no one to lead the protest, because the Nazis are crushing all dissent in the bud.
    2. major147
      major147 30 August 2020 14: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      It's in their blood, the genetic code.
      They say one thing
      They think something else.
      Do the third.
      Perceive only the master's whip.

      Best feature! good hi
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 30 August 2020 08: 30 New
    +1
    Here's the whole BP for negotiations, directly to the territory of the LPNR and send. Lively would agree. No, whatever you want, but Nadia Savchenko was right when she wanted to pull all over this "company"
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 30 August 2020 08: 39 New
      +6
      And I have long advised my friends in Ukraine to create a separate battalion named after "Verkhovna Rada".
      No, not from the deputies. And from their children and grandchildren. Weapons, what would be domestic production, uniforms, food ...
      I think Western gunsmiths would cry with envy, fashion designers would roll their clothes at home, restaurateurs sighed doom, and peace in Donbass began to approach with leaps and bounds!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 August 2020 09: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And I have long advised my friends in Ukraine to create a separate battalion named after "Verkhovna Rada".

        It follows from the commentary that your friends are somehow capable of influencing the junta's policy (creating battalions) ...

        Who are your friends there, and who, then, are you?

        Noscitur a socio turpíve probov (e) hominís mens - "By a friend, good or bad, the character of a person is learned" ("Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell who you are")
  9. fa2998
    fa2998 30 August 2020 08: 34 New
    +1
    Why go to Donetsk and Lugansk? They will find "representatives" from the LPR and DPR in Kiev too. And negotiate as much as you like! lol lol
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 August 2020 08: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: fa2998
      Why go to Donetsk and Lugansk? They will find "representatives" from the LPR and DPR in Kiev too. And negotiate as much as you like!
      Already found and appointed yes
      Are engaged - "Quietly with himself ..."
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 30 August 2020 09: 34 New
        +2
        For them, they are accustomed to themselves. .eyropa.
  10. RUnnm
    RUnnm 30 August 2020 08: 35 New
    +3
    It seems that everything is simpler. Local elections are coming soon. Zelensky's party rating is steadily falling. He has a great desire to hold a meeting in the Normandy format, where this giant of thought and the father of Ukrainian democracy can show off alongside Putin, Merkel and Macron. And there, you see, the exchange of next Ukrainians for Ukrainians will be carried out and with fanfare it will be shown on TV. If only to raise the rating a little. So they play in the image of at least some actions. But in reality, as always, there will be nothing further than promises. But for 6 years of lies, who would believe them now. Even the meetings at the level of contact group assistants are canceled by Russia on the condition that real actions begin on the part of Ukraine.
  11. sabakina
    sabakina 30 August 2020 08: 35 New
    0
    When watching the video, I had a strong feeling that Ze was about to cry. After 0,5 gorilka.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 30 August 2020 08: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: sabakina
      When watching the video, I had a strong feeling that Ze was about to cry. After 0,5 gorilka.

      Well, 40 minutes read out the names of the victims! "The boy was impressed!" The boy imagined what would happen if the Russian army really came! In short, "The boy wants to go to Tambov, and chiki-chiki ...."
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 30 August 2020 13: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        The boy wants to go to Tambov, and chiki-chiki ...

        The boy hardly wants to go to Tambov. To Rostov - maybe. The expression "Tambov wolf" does NOT just exist.
      2. boris epstein
        boris epstein 30 August 2020 15: 35 New
        +2
        If they began to read out the lists of losses in the Izvarinsky and Debaltsevsky boilers, and 5 times 40 minutes for each boiler would not be enough. In the Izvara cauldron, 79 airmobile brigades, 24, 28, 51, 72 mechanized brigades, the 3rd special forces regiment and the Terbat Shakhtersk were defeated. 24, 128 mechanized brigades and 4 (four) National Battalions were defeated in the Debaltsevo cauldron.
        1. Tochilka
          Tochilka 30 August 2020 20: 05 New
          0
          24 mechanized twice in the boilers? What kind of command was there so talented?
    2. rich
      rich 30 August 2020 08: 48 New
      +3
      Greetings, Glory hi
      When watching the video, I had a strong feeling that Ze was about to cry. After 0,5 gorilka.

      A similar sensation. - Either sick, or drunk, or stoned. Sweaty, slow speech, hides eyes
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 30 August 2020 09: 26 New
        +3
        Yesterday Shariy released a rather interesting video on this topic, by the way.
      2. Clear
        Clear 30 August 2020 13: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Rich
        A similar feeling. -.

        Dmitry, unfortunately, this corresponds to an average degree
        Quote: Rich
        Either sick, or drunk, or stoned.
        of the population who elected him president.
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 August 2020 08: 46 New
    -6
    The separatists, in the historical retrospective, have a hard time always and everywhere. This is without any connection with the justice of their struggle. Moreover, the higher the radicalization of separatism (denial or transition from political methods of struggle to military and even terrorist), the heavier the burden of troubles and hardships of the separatists themselves.
    This process is long and difficult. The road to achieving these goals is full of bumps and thorns, including civil wars and strife within the separatist camp.
    But the worst thing is that the result of the struggle may be completely different from what was expected of him. The precedents are known, alas ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 30 August 2020 08: 59 New
      -3
      Quote: A. Privalov

      But the worst thing is that the result of the struggle may be completely different from what was expected of him. The precedents are known, alas ...

      Alexander, do you practice case law? I don’t advise ... But about the result of the fight ...
    2. RUnnm
      RUnnm 30 August 2020 09: 29 New
      +1
      You just described a short history of the United States ...
    3. boris epstein
      boris epstein 30 August 2020 15: 08 New
      +3
      If someone is already called separatists, it is Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Ukraine, the main destroyers of the USSR. And then the principle worked - do not dig a hole for another, you yourself will fall into it. And the result of the struggle of all four separatists is indeed very far from the promised milk rivers with jelly banks, which should have happened “when they stopped feeding Russia.” The Balts are now ready to negotiate with Russia IN RUSSIAN for the sake of returning transit through their ports.
  13. cniza
    cniza 30 August 2020 08: 47 New
    +2
    According to Mr. Fokin, such negotiations are possible only if they are approved by the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada.


    This means that never ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 August 2020 13: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      According to Mr. Fokin, such negotiations are possible only if they are approved by the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada.


      This means that never ...

      Moreover, this "never" is all deleted.
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 August 2020 13: 23 New
        +2
        And soon it will go nowhere, like all Nenka ...
  14. Husit
    Husit 30 August 2020 08: 54 New
    +5
    Donbass will set conditions soon! Wait .. A lot of questions to the junta in Kiev have accumulated.
    1. German Titov
      German Titov 30 August 2020 11: 37 New
      +6
      Yes, all the same, they will not find answers to questions! Happy Donetsk and Miner's Day! drinks
      1. Husit
        Husit 30 August 2020 11: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: German Titov
        Yes, all the same, they will not find answers to questions! Happy Donetsk and Miner's Day! drinks

        Well for the steadfast Donbass, the republic of miners! drinks They know how not only to extract coal, but also to resist with arms in hand for the Russian idea!
        An old video, but how the peasants hit the strings of the Russian soul .. (many of them died, but the memory remained)

        Eternal memory to them ..! soldier Now Novorossia is already strong, and let the Bandera demons just appear ...
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 August 2020 12: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: German Titov
        Yes, all the same, they will not find answers to questions! Happy Donetsk and Miner's Day!

        Countryman, "rogue" lol , colleague, congratulations from a colleague, who, by the will of fate, was also a "four-legged friend of the drifter" wassat and walked to his full height in the sinking yes - Big congratulations yes !

        Happy Miner's Day!

        1. German Titov
          German Titov 30 August 2020 12: 21 New
          +1
          Salam to the city - the hero Torez !!! The motto of the passage is "Better to die while standing than to live on your knees" (this is how GROZov always urged on). True, this great phrase was "stolen" from Dolores Ibbaruri.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 30 August 2020 12: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: German Titov
            Salam to the city - the hero Torez !!! The motto of the passage is "Better to die while standing than to live on your knees" (this is how GROZov always urged on).

            Happy City Day - the capital!

            Thunderstorms are also called "all-wheel drive" laughing lol
            But, for the sake of clarity, I am not a THUNDERSTORM and not a drifter, I am a HEM ...

            Well, Torez really (and fortunately) did not become a hero city, like the very neighboring Shakhtyorsk ...

  15. APASUS
    APASUS 30 August 2020 09: 24 New
    +2
    Everything is going according to the worked out plan, it is necessary to wind up the process itself.
    Even the best thing can be brought to the point of absurdity!
    1. Husit
      Husit 30 August 2020 12: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Everything is going according to the worked out plan, it is necessary to wind up the process itself.
      Even the best thing can be brought to the point of absurdity!

      Exactly ! They are dragging on until the last moment, and the Bandera regime is kept only on the support of the United States and its hangers-on ... Russia is also waiting for the right moment. negative
  16. Alt 22
    Alt 22 30 August 2020 10: 07 New
    +2
    It means that they approved the Minsk agreements, but they are in no hurry to approve the fulfillment of the requirements of the Minsk agreements ...
    Let me remind you that Ukraine agreed to sign the Minsk agreements only after a major military defeat. Do I need another major military defeat, with the loss of one more piece of territory, for it to agree to fulfill them?
  17. iouris
    iouris 30 August 2020 10: 38 New
    -2
    The only way to resolve the issue is to send troops. Choose: yours or others.
  18. Fuse angel
    Fuse angel 30 August 2020 10: 46 New
    +5
    All these Kravchuks, Fokins, Yeltsins, Gorbachevs, etc., traitors to the homeland who destroyed the country, they must be tried and imprisoned until the end of their lives.
  19. viktor.
    viktor. 30 August 2020 10: 58 New
    +2
    What does Ukraine have to do with the DPR? belay Or how Western countries are trying to impose their own I want! Ukraine no longer has Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk, I think the rest of the regions to Kiev will also become separate territories.
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 August 2020 11: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: viktor.
      What does Ukraine have to do with the DPR?

      And what does this Ukraine have to do with Ukraine?
      1. viktor.
        viktor. 30 August 2020 12: 07 New
        0
        It is truth too. hi
  20. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 August 2020 11: 15 New
    +2
    And who told the representatives of Ukraine that the LPR would agree to their terms of holding the elections even with the support of the proposal of the old Kravchuk glad? And then the former from Kravchuk to Zelensky will exclaim: "What have they brought the country to, that the guys in broad daylight show the chatlans to the zh.opu!"
  21. German Titov
    German Titov 30 August 2020 11: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    Quote: viktor.
    What does Ukraine have to do with the DPR?

    And what does this Ukraine have to do with Ukraine?


    You're right. None.
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 August 2020 13: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: German Titov
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: viktor.
      What does Ukraine have to do with the DPR?

      And what does this Ukraine have to do with Ukraine?


      You're right. None.

      That's what a strange thing, but you will still need to answer someone. You have to pay for everything.
  22. Gato
    Gato 30 August 2020 13: 04 New
    +2
    condition for direct negotiations with the leadership of the LPR.

    I know only one such condition - another boiler. There will be no direct negotiations without him. It seems to me that the phase of a real freeze of the conflict has begun, and it will probably end with the fact that one not very beautiful day for themselves, the Ukrainians will find at the points of contact not the fighters of the LPNR, but Russian border guards. The question of how far these points will be from the Polish border is a topic for a separate Wed .. sorry, discussion.
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 August 2020 13: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Gato
      I know only one such condition - another boiler.

      And into this "cauldron" Bandera will drive Russians from the villages. And the Bandera regime will not self-destruct, as they say, "the bad dumb." The Bandera supporters should have only one way out: to Poland, they are already expected there - they will be "integrated."
      1. Gato
        Gato 30 August 2020 13: 26 New
        +3
        And into this "cauldron" Bandera will drive Russians from the villages

        The situation on the "eastern front" has changed dramatically - now there are almost no conscripts there, only contract soldiers. And these "Russians from the villages", or rather - Raguli from the villages, Svidomo made their choice.
      2. Prosha
        Prosha 30 August 2020 16: 00 New
        0
        There is no need to expel them anywhere, enough was kicked out in the 50s, and that's what happened! The infection must be treated radically, viruses must be destroyed!
  23. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 30 August 2020 13: 14 New
    +1
    Ukraine called the condition of direct negotiations with the leadership of the DPR and LPR
    It's time for Ukraine to fulfill the conditions of the LDNR! angry
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 August 2020 13: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      It's time for Ukraine to fulfill the conditions of the LDNR!

      The LDNR is what remains of Ukraine.
  24. morpogr
    morpogr 30 August 2020 14: 50 New
    +1
    So that they do not declare and do not offer them to do anything, they will not be given as long as the Nazis and the aggressive minority dictate their policy, and the authorities and the President personally are afraid to use force and law as an instrument of the state. hi
    1. Gato
      Gato 30 August 2020 18: 19 New
      +1
      and the authorities and personally the President are afraid

      hi
      Things are much worse. The National Corps and C14 are funded from the state budget through the Ministry of Sports and Youth, as well as from the Kiev city budget through the municipal guards (1: 1 "gray axes" belay ) and since the time of the pig, funding has only increased; dung and others are generally included in the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Avakov - Biletsky is quite officially a policeman p / p-com. Suppose it is difficult to influence Vaseline on Avakov, but the SBU is directly subordinate to him, which also oversees most of the Nazis. So here it is difficult to understand where the Nazis end and the WE begins - and vice versa.
  25. boris epstein
    boris epstein 30 August 2020 14: 54 New
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    And to ask Donetsk and Luhansk people is weak, do they need local Ukrainian elections?
  26. Prosha
    Prosha 30 August 2020 15: 56 New
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    I don’t understand something (about Ilovaisk): one president said that there was a "bool peremoga", and the other was bleating, that there was a "buv kotyol"! So what was there - maybe you shouldn't strain the public and ruin it for flowers and wreaths?
    1. Gato
      Gato 30 August 2020 18: 24 New
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      I don’t understand something

      This is Ukraine, colleague! Here the concept of zrada or paramogy depends on the benefit received by the speaker from the event. laughing
  27. BOB044
    BOB044 30 August 2020 16: 04 New
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    Well, what Donbass Ukraine. After killing so many children and civilians there. How to live with those who do not consider you people. And Kravchuk is just an old senile. I would sit at home in the village and drink tea from a samovar on the porch with jam.
    1. Gato
      Gato 31 August 2020 18: 18 New
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      I would sit at home in the village and drink tea

      "He's not drinking tea there!" (C) judging by the statements.