The main problem of the KOEP "Warta" of the Ukrainian T-84BM "Oplot" tank was confirmed

One of the controversial offspring of the modern Ukrainian military-technical sphere is the "Oplot" tank. Initially declaring readiness for serial production tanks T-84BM "Oplot" for the needs of the armed forces of Ukraine, the supplier was eventually unable to provide such production due to a number of problems. This has become common and systematic underfunding, and the inability to replace Russian components with Ukrainian counterparts.

According to the latest information, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has so far not been able to conclude new contracts for the supply of T-84BM "Oplot" for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Although initially it was said that delivery of at least fifty such tanks was expected by 2020. The contract with Thailand did not help to develop production, which was implemented, as they say, with grief in half.

Currently, many questions have arisen about the protection system implemented on the Ukrainian Oplot tanks. Having received the opportunity to control these combat vehicles, Ukrainian tankers even at the testing stage began to note problems with the optical-electronic countermeasures complex KOEP.

The manufacturer assured that the Warta KOEP implemented on the T-84BM "Oplot" is so progressive that it is able to protect the tank and its crew from a number of anti-tank ammunition, including the American TOW ATGM and modernized versions of 155-mm guided missiles of increased power "Copperhead" (Copperhead). It is difficult to call these complexes modern, but nonetheless.

Today, the main problem of the Ukrainian "Warta" is confirmed. The complex actually remains "blind" in relation to the ammunition, which is guided by the laser beam not directly at the tank hull, but slightly above the target. The ammunition guidance system actually builds the general direction of its flight, and the laser beam falls directly on the target in less than a third of a second before the ATGM directly hits the target. During this time, the KOEP "Varta" is not able to react to the danger to the tank, which makes the complex virtually useless for repelling an attack not only with modern weapons, but even anti-tank guided missiles of earlier designs. Also, this KOEP, even after several attempts at revision, is not capable of detecting anti-tank guided missiles with infrared homing heads.

At the moment, there is no data on whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine are going to rely on the T-84BM "Oplot" in the future. If not, then only the option will remain with the modernization of previously released tanks of other modifications, including Soviet-made tanks. Unless, of course, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine decides to pay attention to possible tank imports - on the tip and on the advice of NATO "friends".

Comments

[evgen1221]

They will drink a drink, and they will change to either heavily used foreign cars or carts.

[antivirus]

goats have always fought well on horses - they will master and restore under the banner (zilenim?) Batki Makhno Kav divisions with ATGM in toroks

[Quadro]

Quote: antivirus

goats have always fought well on horses - they will master and restore under the banner (zilenim?) Batki Makhno Kav divisions with ATGM in toroks

And then the suckers and the Cossacks? If you told the Cossack that he was dill, he would spit in your face. They considered themselves Russian.

[Pereira]

And if he had been told that the Galician people were also Cossacks, he would have killed him altogether.

[Orange bigg]

Kozakhs (those who show a goat with a gesture) under the banner of the green serpent?

[Avior]

This is unlikely.
Makhno was indifferent to nationalities, in Ukraine now the heroes do not appear to call something by his name.

[u123uuu]

Do not confuse the Cossacks with the Cossacks. Cossacks from the word goat

[Alekseev]

"They will drink, drink and change to foreign cars heavily used"
That's right!
For it is impossible to produce complex equipment, such as a modern MBT after a quarter
centuries of downtime of the main enterprises in this area and the breakdown of cooperation with the Russian Federation. It is also stupid to hope for success in the general de-industrialization of the country, but no one has canceled PR to solicit at least some funding (otherwise, what to cut?).

[boris epstein]

Since 2009, the Belokamensk Refractory Plant in the sub-Ukrainian part of the Donetsk region, which produced ceramic filling for multilayer armor, has not been operating, and this is only one, but not the only factor that makes it impossible for Ukraine to produce NEW tanks.

[113262a]

The same ceramic tiles are made by Chasov Yar. So for now they are working. Yes, and ready-made armored hulls on Malyshev-the whole field is full. This is not an argument. But no one hoped for an analogue of the Curtains in their performance. This does not work normally anywhere in combat.

[RUnnm]

Ukrainian military-technical spheres

First I read the "scams". And then I thought, probably, after all, I read it correctly, but there is a typo in the text ...))

[Avior]

... Today, the main problem of the Ukrainian "Warta" is confirmed.

I read it carefully, but still did not understand, who confirms it?
KOEP Warta is a complex for countering ATGM with laser guidance.

... The complex includes four indicators of laser irradiation (coordinate-sensitive photodetectors of the detector heads are equipped with lenses based on zinc selenide ZnSe), 12 launchers for firing 81-mm smoke grenades GD-1 and a control panel (with a choice of operating modes - automatic, semi-automatic and manual) and provides detection of laser irradiation of the tank within 360 ° in the horizontal plane and 20 ° in the vertical. The system response time is up to three seconds [1].

Naturally, it cannot, in principle, protect against missiles with passive homing heads - with tele-guidance or IR matrix, with guidance along a laser path, radar seeker, etc. that does not use direct target illumination with a laser. It's just not meant to be.
And in the article this is presented as evidence of a flaw in the complex.

[Kaw]

Quote: Avior

It's just not meant to be.
And in the article this is presented as evidence of a flaw in the complex.

The complex actually remains "blind" in relation to the ammunition, which is guided by the laser beam not directly to the body of the tank, but slightly above the target. The ammunition guidance system actually builds the general direction of its flight, and the laser beam falls directly on the target in less than a third of a second before the ATGM directly hits the target. During this time, the KOEP "Varta" is not able to react to the danger to the tank, which makes the complex practically useless for repelling an attack not only with modern weapons, but even anti-tank guided missiles of earlier designs.

Our "Shtora" on the T-90 / T-90A is arranged in the same way.

[Avior]

It cannot be otherwise with systems of this type.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Avior

Naturally, it cannot, in principle, protect against missiles with passive homing heads - with tele-guidance or IR matrix, with guidance along a laser path, radar seeker, etc. that does not use direct target illumination with a laser.

Quote: Avior

Naturally, it cannot, in principle, protect against missiles with passive homing heads - with tele-guidance or IR matrix, with guidance along a laser path, radar seeker, etc. that does not use direct target illumination with a laser.

In principle, it can. Like the German MUSS. To do this, you need to have sensors that can detect a rocket in flight. The Germans have UV sensors that have been used in aircraft systems of this kind.

They spotted the missile, waited for it to reach the "interception line", created an aerosol curtain, opaque in the visible, radar and infrared ranges (for example, the Americans use carbon fiber "feathers") and the seeker loses its target. As well as the operator of the complex with the laser beam.

You just need to create the veil on time. And the tank must move. Although the probability of hitting and the probability of being hit will be lower even when stationary

[Avior]

The Germans have UV sensors in addition to laser detectors. Another system.
There are also radar systems of protection.
But if we are talking about systems only with detectors of laser radiation, then everything is as I wrote.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Avior

The Germans have UV sensors in addition to laser detectors.

Well, yes.

Quote: Avior

Another system.

The system is the same. Creation of an aerosol curtain between the seeker / operator
It's just that MUSS is much more versatile and perfect.

[Avior]

A system for determining the moment of an attack, when it is necessary to react with smoke, aerosol, their mixture or something else.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Avior

A system for determining the moment of an attack, when it is necessary to react with smoke, aerosol, their mixture or something else.

Not a moment.
The curtain should be installed on time, not earlier or later.

But by and large, the Ukrainians created an analogue of a part of the old Soviet "Curtains", and judging by the article, they did not think to look at the open data on the German KOEP and raise one of the sensors higher.
If we have set ourselves the goal of protecting ourselves from missiles of our own production

[The leader of the Redskins]

You know, a colleague, I was looking for the sources of this "confirmation", but also did not find it!
The fact that the tender for the modernization of MBT in the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take place - there are articles, but I did not find about the "failure" ...

[Thrifty]

Now they will create a new tank "Op-Loh" 2, put a re-scope from the submarine, they will wrap the rabbits with five layers of mesh, they will order armor from China, and that will result in a "tank of the seventh generation" ...

[Lesorub]

According to the latest information, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has not yet been able to conclude new contracts for the supply of T-84BM "Oplot" for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Although initially it was said that by 2020 delivery of at least fifty such tanks was expected.

As far as I remember, the production of "Oplot" was abandoned - in favor of the modernization of the available MBTs.

[Maks1995]

And, every day on the news, something ends there ... sometimes many times ...
Now the Strongholds and Warts are over ...
And what for they are needed ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Very often they began to publish articles in the style - Ukrainians cannot do anything. It seems very strange to me. Previously, they could - in Soviet times, but now they cannot. More like propaganda.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Previously, they could - in Soviet times, but now they cannot.

That's it!

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

More like propaganda.

This is propaganda.
In general, Ukraine is one big propaganda on the topic "this should not be done"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Spade

In general, Ukraine is one big propaganda on the topic "this should not be done"

I don’t argue with that. But that's not what I mean.
Scientific and technical thought, it does not depend on the political regime. Implementation - yes. But if the regime is interested, then it will not be a brake. And I would not discount the scientific and technical potential of Ukraine.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Scientific and technical thought, it does not depend on the political regime.

It also depends.
Especially when, thanks to the "regime", the brains are taken out of the country.

And it would be fine only big players would do this ... At one time Serdyukov wanted to order a UAV from the Emiratis. I got interested and started digging. It turned out that the developers are Ukrainian labor migrants.
That is, even the UAE is among those who are pulling away Ukrainian specialists. I will not say anything about the Americans, Europeans in general and Poles in particular, Turkey, as well as Russia and China.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Spade

Especially when, thanks to the "regime", the brains are taken out of the country.

And you don't understand anything. Everything is not as linear as you think.

[Husit]

Kiev will soon have problems, not tanks ..

[Glennie]

Is it like a video from an exercise where a laser beam is on a target and a missile hits a partisan at the edge of the forest?

[Voltsky]

The main problem of KOEP "Warta" was confirmed

what are you doing ?! Why was the curtain removed on the T90M? :)
This is a post for fans of "what about the Ukrainians"?

[Quadro]

Aha and now look how old the curtain is. And then there are new lousy developments

[Dmitry Bazhanyuk]

, is there no such problem in Shotras?

[Quadro]

Does the Russian Federation still put the curtains on? She has long been abandoned and she is already 30 years old, if not more. Your lousy arrow throws are fun. Even here it’s snappy.

[DeKo]

And that Ukraine is still supplying Europe with cheaper labor?

[DeKo]

The main disadvantage of this tank is that it is Ukrainian.

[Dmitry Bazhanyuk]

How did you get it biased towards the Kharkov tanks. Firstly, this KOEP is a complete copy of the Curtain, so it is just as useless on the T-90A as on the T-80BM. In general, these IR projectors do not interfere in any way, so they will not be superfluous. Secondly, under the USSR, the technical level of Kharkov tanks from the 70s was head and shoulders above those of Nizhniy Tagil, in Kharkov they created the best tank of the USSR in terms of price / quality ratio - the T-80UD, the descendant of which is the T-84BM. Upgrading the best tank in the USSR, by definition, cannot be bad. Third, the KMDB is not to blame for the fact that the oligarchs robbed them, like the entire people of Ukraine. It is very easy to manipulate people, there are no stupid peoples for all peoples are stupid. The people are ours, what is yours only, what follows the leaders into a bright future that does not come, and then pays for the actions of politicians. Peace to your home, and at least sometimes use common sense.