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The war in South Ossetia: the information component of the conflict

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Exactly 4 a year ago, there was a military conflict between Russia and Georgia, which has become the largest for Russia since the fighting in the Chechen Republic. Georgia’s aggression began on the night of August 8 of 2008. On the day when the whole world was preparing for the opening of the Beijing Olympics-2008, in which it was common to stop all wars at all times, Georgia attempted to forcefully resolve the conflict in South Ossetia, which at that time was in the status of an unrecognized republic. As a result of the conflict, which lasted 5 days, the aggression on the part of Georgia was stopped with the help of intervention in the conflict of the Russian troops, which caused a significant defeat to the armed forces of Georgia. In this case, the capital of South Ossetia - Tskhinval was seriously destroyed. The South Ossetian side said that around 1 500 civilians were killed during the fighting.

With the entry of Russia into this conflict, which defended its citizens, the Georgian troops were driven back from the territory of South Ossetia. Also during the conflict, the Georgian armed forces left, controlled by them, the upper part of the Kodori Gorge in the territory of another unrecognized republic of Abkhazia. After 2 weeks after the end of the active phase of hostilities, Russia officially recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Already 9 September 2008 between the countries were established diplomatic relations. In memory of those killed in the conflict, civilians and peacekeepers on the fortieth day thousands of candles were lit, mourning dirge services were held in many temples. Mourning events and memorable actions on the night of 7 on August 8 are held in South Ossetia and Russia annually. Honor the memory of those killed in the war and on the territory of Georgia.

Much has been said and written about this war. Both about the causes of the conflict, and its consequences for the parties. After the 4 of the year, South Ossetia’s civilian casualties remain unclear. The numbers here vary widely from a few hundred to almost 2-x thousand dead. In this case, the most realistic is the figure in 300-400 of the dead civilians, without taking into account the losses of the military and South Ossetian militias. The situation is similar with the losses of the Russian army, which according to various data ranged from 48 to 74 dead. In turn, the Georgian side published the official list of names their losses during the five-day war. During the fighting, the Georgian army lost 170 people killed and missing. Civilian casualties amounted to 228 people, while information on 62 of them is verified.
The war in South Ossetia: the information component of the conflict

Speaking about the five-day war in South Ossetia, it is necessary to pay special attention to the information component of this conflict. Russia, which did not prepare for the conduct of the modern information war, naturally suffered a defeat in it. If public opinion inside the country was formed in the right way in a natural way, then Russia lost the information war outside the country, said Igor Panarin, a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Foreign Ministry. So the ratio of positive and negative articles about Russia in the course of this August conflict in the Anglo-American press was 1: 12, in the German 1: 4. Proceeding from this, it is possible to assert with complete confidence that a negative information background has been created in the world against our country.

Challenges of the XXI century

The Information War, which was launched against Russia in August 2008, became an information war in the 3 generation. Doctor of Technical Sciences Sergey Grinyaev gives the following classification of such conflicts:

The 1 wars of the generation are EW (electronic warfare). Frequency and wired communications, cellular communications, jammers, eavesdropping, interference, blocking, etc.

The 2 wars of the generation are EW + counter-guerrilla and guerrilla propaganda. So it was in Chechnya in the 1990-e years. The separatists created their own websites, they also distributed combat leaflets and newspapers, and organized interviews for Western publications sympathizing with them. In turn, Russia was engaged in counter-propaganda with means available to the federal center, both in the territory of Chechnya and adjacent territories, and to the wider public.

3 wars are global information wars, which experts also call "the war on effects." The information war that went on around the conflict in South Ossetia in August of 2008 was exactly the information war of the 3 generation.

This is how the American newspaper The Exile described this “war on effects”, which was published in Moscow in English. According to the newspaper, the leaders of Georgia phoned almost every influential person from Wall Street, convincing them that Georgia became a victim of Russian aggression even at the very time when the Georgian army was engaged in firing on Tskhinvali and even before the Russian army entered into this conflict. After that, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashivili made himself available around the clock for interviews with the BBC and CNN. He repeated the same simple lines in excellent English and always against the background of the EU flag. All his promises boiled down to the fact that Russia is the aggressor.

Saakashvili declared that Georgia is a small democratic country and asked for help. At the same time, the effectiveness of Georgian propaganda was helped by the fact that the country did not prevent Western journalists from entering the conflict zone. In turn, Russia has made it almost impossible for representatives of non-Russian media to access South Ossetia, which was a big mistake. On this occasion, dissatisfaction was expressed even in Russian editions. While Russia has once again proved that it does not strike civilian targets, Georgia has declared that Russian fighters are launching bombing attacks on a Western-financed oil pipeline deep in Georgia. This statement was an absolute lie, but this did not prevent this news hang in the headlines of Western media for at least 2's days.

Who prepared the information war against Russia

The information operation, which was connected with the events in South Ossetia, was prepared by the Americans for at least a year, the European and American media were used for these purposes - a global system of influence on all possible information flows was created, control of which was carried out from a single center. According to Igor Panarin, the information war against Russia was not led by Saakashvili, he was only an instrument of this war. A three-unit headquarters was created to conduct the information war: The US National Security Council - Tbilisi (President Mikhail Saakashvili and his entourage) - the Media Center in Gori, which was created by the Americans according to the scheme they used during the invasion of Iraq.

At the same time, the information war against Russia began even before the start of the Georgian aggression. The war was preceded by informational scandals with a downed, supposedly Russian, UAV, intercepted, allegedly by a Russian rocket, the detention of Russian peacekeepers who were carrying the supposedly forbidden cargo - all this can be attributed to the advance informational training. Long before the start of the Georgian aggression, a negative image of Russia was forming as an aggressor, primarily for the Western audience. In the future, informational grains with accusations of aggression on the Russian side fell on this fertilized soil.

Russia, in response to all these missiles and drones, responded only with excuses, that is, it almost only fought off informational attacks while missing the strategic initiative, noted journalist and doctor of technical sciences Sergey Grinyaev. At this time, Georgia was engaged in the procurement of information images: “Russia is the aggressor” (spy-drones, shot down missiles, detention of prohibited goods), “Georgia is a member of the civilized world” (interview in pure English, the EU flag at Saakashvili is always behind her back) “NATO is a peacemaker” (just that Georgia appeals for help not to the UN, but to NATO, as a “guarantor of security and justice”). In parallel, the creation of groups of sympathizers from representatives of the Georgian diaspora, as well as human rights and liberal centers, was going on in the USA and Europe.

Sergey Grinyaev described in detail the methodology for preparing Georgia for the information war. On the basis of the channel "Trialeti" was deployed an information center in Gori, which served both Georgian and foreign journalists. At the same time, the Russian media and the Internet in Georgia were blocked, and television bridges with the United States and Europe were conducted regularly and in English. “Georgia-online”, “Imedi”, “Rustavi-2” and other Georgian media resources of all kinds acted in close cohesion, acting as a single informational fist. At the same time, Russia has not created an operational press center in South Ossetia. I did not use homework - they simply did not exist. The Ministry of Defense and the Foreign Ministry acted uncoordinated, gave false and contradictory information, which was easily refuted. At the same time, the anti-Russian intonations were not “strangled” in the comments of a number of Russian media outlets, as well as individual journalists, Sergei Grinyaev noted.

As a result, having won in an armed confrontation, Russia lost on the information field. The conflict in Ossetia has shown that Russia does not have a structure for waging a modern information war. The Foreign Ministry, the Ministry of Defense, the FSB have separate structural units that specialize in working with the media and information, but at the national level there is no such system that would coordinate the work of various departments in the information environment. There are no specific people from whom one could ask for this work, which automatically means that there is no one to ask for a loss in the information war. Igor Panarin believes that the armed conflict in August 2008 demonstrated the organizational and management problem of the Government and the Presidential Administration. In Russia, there is no targeted work on the impact on the media, the public opinion of the CIS countries and the world.

According to Professor Panarin, the creation of the Council on Public Diplomacy, headed by the Prime Minister of Russia, could be the solution to the problem. This council could include the heads of all structures whose line of activity makes them engage in advocacy: the country's foreign ministry, special services, information agencies, the largest national television channels, newspapers and online publications, non-governmental organizations, as well as employees of relevant ministries and business members. - community.

From the complete defeat on the information front, Russia was saved by some successful actions of talented politicians and journalists. The main heroes of the information war were Russia's special representative to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, who worked actively, voicing the facts that were actually happening to the general world community, and also bringing the position of Russia to the world. Also, experts noted the active role of the representative of Russia to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin. If Churkin worked in the United States, speaking at the UN, then Rogozin at the time of the conflict became the information center of Russia in Europe. According to Igor Panarin, Bagapsh and Shamans also actively, modernly and professionally acted in the information environment.


4 a year later, Saakashvili: "We will definitely return everything!"

On the eve of the four-year anniversary of the Georgian-Russian war 2008, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili visited the territories bordering South Ossetia and met with local residents. He promised them that he would restore the integrity of Georgia and expel the "occupiers."

"I walked a lot in these gorges, and for me a huge pain, an unhealing wound is that they trampled. We will definitely return everything! I firmly believe in it. Historically, in the heart of Kartli no invader was able to resist, and they will not resist" - quotes the President of Georgia Online.

The head of state met with residents of the villages of Dzevera, Kitsnisi and Karaleti, who are located in the region adjacent to the "occupied" Tskhinvali region. In the village of Karaleti the leader of Georgia delivered a speech.

One of the promises of Mikhail Saakashvili was the entry of Georgia into the European Union and membership in NATO, notes Radio Liberty. According to the president, despite the numerous dangers, no one has managed to change the course chosen by Georgia, which is a sign that Georgia will definitely win. “We will surely liberate our country, our Kartli, our valleys, villages, and return our houses to ourselves,” Saakashvili assured.
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  1. Indigo
    Indigo 8 August 2012 09: 30
    +7
    Got on my eyes:
    “In my opinion, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief needed to simply say:“ Act in accordance with the plan that I approved. ” The most important thing is this initial team. And now this initial command was given, unfortunately, with a deep lateness. Until a kick to one place from Beijing directly followed by Vladimir Vladimirovich, to put it mildly, everyone was afraid of something, ”complains the reserve army general, Yuri Baluyevsky, who from 2004 to 2008 served as chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

    "Lost Day" the whole truth about the 08.08.08 War in Tskhinval

    In total, by the time Russian armored vehicles entered Tskhinval, local authorities reported 1000 dead and 200 wounded. It was also known about 15 dead peacekeepers. Later, this figure increased to 70. According to the military, these victims could have been avoided if the high command had not been drawn to make a decision.

    The reaction to the release of the picture from the press secretary of Dmitry Medvedev, Natalia Timakova, has not yet been followed. At the same time, it is not completely clear why the generals decided to voice their opinion about what happened 4 years ago only now, being in retirement. Apparently, army ethics does not allow discussing the actions of the Supreme Commander, and only with the departure of Dmitry Medvedev from the presidency, the military decided to disclose the real circumstances of four years ago.
    1. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 8 August 2012 11: 07
      +28
      4 a year later, Saakashvili: "We will definitely return everything!"

      DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wassat
      1. FedotK
        FedotK 8 August 2012 20: 41
        -7
        forgot the third
        1. Alex63
          Alex63 9 August 2012 06: 17
          -4
          You just need to add more photos of Gorbachev, Putin and Medvedev in prison robes, as well as Yeltsin at the last judgment in a hot pan.
    2. bachast
      bachast 8 August 2012 11: 31
      +9
      The decision to respond to the Georgian aggression in South Ossetia was taken deliberately and carefully, Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters on Tuesday. So he commented on the statements of the former head of the General Staff Yuri Baluevsky. In the film, dedicated to the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict, Baluyevsky, in particular, said: "Russia lost the first day of the war due to indecision."
      "The level of our relations, the nature of our relations with colleagues, and the level of relations that we accept, including in the security sphere, does not allow us to appeal in such categories," Russian President Vladimir Putin emphasized.
      “Where was intelligence, military intelligence then?” One of the journalists asked. “It worked,” Putin replied.
      Putin stressed that the decision to use the armed forces is very responsible, "because this is an order to start hostilities, people are dying there."
      “Before making such decisions, we need to think,” the president continued. "Have you thought for a long time?" - journalists asked. "Three days," Putin replied.
      1. curious
        curious 8 August 2012 12: 32
        +11
        In my humble opinion, the agenda has long been the creation of the forces of psychological and information operations in the Russian Armed Forces, because we all already understood the power of words and pictures on TV, sometimes exceeding bullets and bombs in strength
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 August 2012 14: 48
          +5
          Urgent need to learn to conduct information warfare!
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 8 August 2012 15: 12
            +9
            I agree, because one little Amanda Kakoeva did many times more than all our media combined.
          2. Nir
            Nir 8 August 2012 16: 57
            -3
            Learn to learn, and amers have long been leading it and successfully wink
            1. drossel81
              drossel81 8 August 2012 20: 23
              +2
              Yeah against the Uzbeks in particular !!! bully
            2. Kshatriy
              Kshatriy 8 August 2012 21: 18
              +1
              Quote: Nir
              Learn to learn, and amers have long been leading it and successfully

              So I’m a Russian fool, I think, and who in Vietnam got the full trend from us ??? Korea pummeled mrazoty ??? Pin-dos-tan ---- army of homosexuals and lesbians - dear, whom do you suggest we study ???
              1. Yazov
                Yazov 9 August 2012 15: 14
                +1
                In North Korea, Pokryshkin did not seem to be at war. This was Kozhedub.
      2. moroz2200
        moroz2200 8 August 2012 19: 48
        +2
        I agree. VVP's responses really remind him of his famous phrase: "She drowned" !! ((
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 8 August 2012 21: 07
        0
        What are three days? after 18 hours, the troops moved already through the tunnel .. And after four days everything was decided!
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 9 August 2012 08: 11
          -1
          Sith Lord,
          Do not forget the intelligence was not sleeping, do you remember the film, "In August of the Eighth," there before the start of the reconnaissance group.
      4. bachast
        bachast 9 August 2012 09: 48
        +2

        Medvedev in South Ossetia
    3. Isr
      Isr 9 August 2012 18: 27
      -8
      I don’t know who and what should have been given information, but it was immediately clear that Georgia’s "attack" on Russia was from the same series as the "attack" of the White Finns on the USSR in 39. The same handwriting, the troops were pulled in advance, ammunition was brought up, the headquarters and the 20th army were deployed, after which they "attacked". I will not believe any political information. A mile away it smells of a provocation, in the Soviet style, by the way, Putin confirmed that all this began to be prepared a year earlier.
      1. MI-AS-72
        MI-AS-72 9 August 2012 20: 50
        +1
        Before you Jews, how far we all are, especially, everything is laid out on the shelves for all occasions, lives and wars in your tolmud, and the protocols are instructive, so that we have someone to learn from. Moreover, the history of the USA is a good example of this, Vietnam, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Iraq, etc. According to your patterns, people were bled, and the First World War and the Second World War were not without your gesheft. So close your havalnik and eat matzo.
        1. Isr
          Isr 11 August 2012 09: 25
          0
          "... close your hawalnik and eat matzo" - you are breaking the rules of conduct on the site. This is not a discussion of the topic, but an attack against me personally and against Jews in general. This site is intended for disputes, expressing opinions, commenting on articles, not for insulting members. And now, in essence. Judging by what you wrote, you have nothing to say on the merits of my comment, there is no subject for discussion. So all the best.
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 11 August 2012 10: 14
            0
            sho are you hiding behind the Jewry ????? flew on the tinsel --- take a hit, and not grab hold of political correctness ........... but to say there is sho --- the Slavs were destroyed many times more why ....... Jews. and none of them whine about the "Holocaust" ......... moreover, they continue to be exterminated on an "industrial scale" ---- and, nothing .. ..but Toko try to hook a Jew ..... such a hubbub rises .......................
            1. Isr
              Isr 12 August 2012 11: 35
              -1
              You violate the rules of conduct on the site. This is not a discussion of the topic, but an attack personally against me and the Jews in general. This site is intended for disputes, expressing opinions, commenting on articles, not to insult participants. And now in essence. Judging by what you wrote, you have nothing to say on the merits of my comment, there is no subject for discussion. Therefore, all the best.
              1. stroporez
                stroporez 21 August 2012 11: 34
                +1
                So this is my opinion. How the Jews do not like something --- this is how the annoying chatter about the "Holocaust" begins. and when not Jews are killed --- so it’s necessary ......... sho pity them --- goyim .............
      2. carbofo
        carbofo 9 August 2012 21: 21
        +1
        Isr,
        I can only sympathize with you.
        Why? I’ll explain now - When the fuss begins in Syria and then Iran, and the Muslim brothers will be around you, then you will put on armor and sit at home, otherwise mother will scold.
        Why 7 yes because now there are a bunch of radicals against you, and there will be several countries with an uncontrolled population under the influence of radicals.
        Actually, congratulations on that.
        Second - I do not recall a single military unit that does not have its own ammunition depot, at least a few ammunition are always at hand.
        Moreover, preparations for repelling an attack on a military plan took several years, in vain did the intelligence consider how many equipment and people the Georgians pulled, when unmeasured troops were pulled to your border, this looks a little like peaceful intentions.
        PS I forgot to add, stock up on ammo and a geiger counter, Muslims will not stand on ceremony and they will have enough 20% of uranium to disperse over your country. And radiation sickness will finish the job.
        1. Isr
          Isr 11 August 2012 09: 28
          0
          We talked about the "informational component of the conflict." Therefore, I propose to return to this topic.
          In any case, thank you for your attention, understanding of our problems and sympathy.
          1. Karabekir
            Karabekir 12 August 2012 11: 39
            -1
            Quote: Isr
            In any case, thank you for your attention, understanding of our problems and sympathy.

            Well written))))))))))))))))
  2. Varnaga
    Varnaga 8 August 2012 09: 33
    +5
    I would advise the author to read a recent interview with the editor-in-chief of the Russia Today channel, and then compare the capabilities of Russian and Western media.
    In general, let it be for Georgians a small consolation prize, from which really nothing will change in the geopolitical situation.
  3. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 8 August 2012 09: 36
    +20
    The head of state met with residents of the villages of Dzevera, Kitsnisi and Karaleti, who are located in the region adjacent to the "occupied" Tskhinvali region. In the village of Karaleti the leader of Georgia delivered a speech.


    It would be better if this skunks show a master class on eating ties and runs in trimmed pants laughing
    1. Irkit
      Irkit 9 August 2012 04: 14
      +1
      In these two sports crying he has no equal. The one who manages to defeat him is still born wassat
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 8 August 2012 09: 39
    +6
    The fact that the media have become a branch of the armed forces must be taken for granted for a long time. The fact that the media representatives turned out to be all this crap on the part of the Georgians in advance is simply a miracle at the right time in the right place.
  5. grizzlir
    grizzlir 8 August 2012 09: 59
    +4
    Most of our guys died because time was wasted. While our leadership was chewing snot and thinking how to be and what to do, the Georgians moved forward and strengthened their positions. I don’t know how such a delay was motivated, but I think that the troops had to be introduced in the first hours the conflict, because by all laws, we could defend our peacekeeping contingent, which was present in the conflict zone under the UN mandate and was attacked by the Georgian armed forces. It was still not very pleasant to hear about the excessive losses from the Georgian army. several thousand of the destroyed enemies and showed 3-4 tanks from different angles.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 12: 46
      +6
      Our leadership dragged on time so that after the end of this war Russia would not be persecuted that it attacked Georgia and was an aggressor. That's all.
      1. Drednout
        Drednout 8 August 2012 17: 48
        +2
        Quote: thatupac
        Our leadership dragged on time so that after the end of this war Russia would not be persecuted that it attacked Georgia and was an aggressor.

        It still didn't help. Despite the criminal (from my point of view) delay, we are all the same aggressors in the West and Georgia. no one even tries to refute the lie that was leaked to the media.
      2. grizzlir
        grizzlir 8 August 2012 17: 53
        -1
        Quote: thatupac
        Our leadership dragged on time so that after the end of this war Russia would not be persecuted that it attacked Georgia and was an aggressor. That's all.

        This excuse was invented not so long ago. And at first the rulers didn’t do anything to the question of journalists why, knowing that there would be an attack on Tskhinval, representatives of the government’s secret services mumbled something inarticulate. the commander of the 58th army, Lieutenant General Khrulyov, because he understood what delay could turn out to be, and the official order to send troops to the territory of South Ossetia came later, because Khrulyov’s actions left no other choice for our rulers
      3. stroporez
        stroporez 9 August 2012 11: 24
        +2
        this "wasted" time --- costly. it would be better if they were pulling off some part of the body. we cannot be defeated, but we can be betrayed ..............
      4. Maks111
        Maks111 9 August 2012 17: 04
        0
        And I think this is the experience of the first Chechen campaign ((when they thought (_! _) - and got a bitter experience. Although I am not edros, Putin is right to die in the war in this. And if you make an ill-considered decision, many people will die In addition, as Medvedev said, the question was about the use of the RF Armed Forces in an ALIEN TERRITORY.
    2. carbofo
      carbofo 8 August 2012 18: 15
      -2
      grizzlir,
      He's right thatupac.. The wait-and-see moment in politics is very important, and often more important than human tragedies and losses.
      Yes, this is unfair, but in order to then be able to say firmly: -You did it! and no one can refute it.
    3. moroz2200
      moroz2200 8 August 2012 19: 50
      +1
      They showed 3 tanks. Of these, one was blown up by a grenade by our troops.
  6. xmike
    xmike 8 August 2012 10: 02
    +6
    Strashila, ". The fact that all this crap on the part of the Georgians was preparing in advance is evidenced by the fact that the media representatives were, well, just a miracle at the right time in the right place."

    And the US fleet entered the Black Sea, too, by accident feel
  7. Dimented
    Dimented 8 August 2012 10: 09
    +7
    It is high time for Russia to take more decisive steps in the information field. And there is nothing to excuse, they say, we do not have such resources as in the West. After all, we do not even use what we have, even our existing resources were not fully utilized or worked very "clumsy".
    As always in Russia - until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself. Until we feel the real consequences of the events on ourselves, we will not begin to think about what should be done so as not to fall into such a hole. God forbid that things move from a dead point, although traces of this, with the exception of a few publications, something is not visible. But I completely agree that Russia needs a developed strategy of action in such situations. For this, in my opinion, it is necessary to attract famous people, politicians - their opinion is more likely to be heard, their argument will be quickly believed.
    1. Ilyich
      Ilyich 8 August 2012 21: 07
      +3
      Yes you are right. The information field has only recently begun to be "covered" by Russia. The only serious application is Russia Totay and the radio station "Voice of Russia" And so, for now, mostly enthusiasts and patriots are working.
      Americans, by the way, help too. Take the same website digitalmetro.us.
      Or here is the coverage of the events of 08/08/08 on one American site (excerpts only)
      The Georgians had a grandiose plan: they wanted to smash the Rocky Tunnel, being sure that the Russians did not cover it with special forces. The Georgians sent commandos trained by NATO specialists, who flew straight at the commandos. Mass rape has taken place. The Special Forces lost one soldier, the loss of Georgians went wild for 200 units. No one survived. What kind of idiot decided to send mercenaries against the special forces? Oh, exactly - those who planned this war.
      Having the most maneuverable army in the world (they say so !!!), the Russians successfully performed a flank maneuver, but one of the BMD-1, on board of which there were five paratroopers, broke down. A second car was nearby, ready to tow a broken BMD. Meanwhile, Georgian warriors performed the maneuver of the “quick retreat” and suddenly ran into paratroopers. Despite the five-fold superiority in numbers towards the Georgians, the paratroopers kicked the Georgian fighters trained in the dungeons of NATO into the building and kept them there until the Russian tanks arrived, which demolished the building under the foundation. Georgian casualties: 17 killed, 33 prisoners. Russian losses: "Well ..., hmm, one of the HBs got dirty ... will have to be washed! It’s considered, isn't it? ”


      On August 11, the Georgians finally realized that they were in the deepest ass to the very neck and made the classic decision in the French manner: to pull off like fagots in the hope that the Russians would decide not to scoff at their scolded dignity beyond measure. The Russians decided that the scolding had not yet begun and began to hammer out shit with new force from Georgian airports, bases and other facilities. Meanwhile, in the southern part of Georgia, the Americans gathered their soldiers, who trained the Georgians along with all the other shit that they had there and sat down to develop a strategic plan. The Russians, for the time being, were sorting out all the Georgian military junk that they could find and even expropriated several American hammers, which they forgot to pick up.
      1. Ilyich
        Ilyich 8 August 2012 21: 08
        +5
        Yes, that’s all right: the Russians began to cheerfully grind the Georgians along the entire length of the main Georgian highway, a la Stalingrad-style, and everything that was located to the west of Gori suddenly began to belong to the Russians. In this case, this means that the only major city that remained in the whole fucking country and was not subjected to intercourse was Tbilisi. In general, the Georgians were in the ass. Tbilisi froze in the hope that Saakashvili’s bitch would be caught and handed over to Putin for a personal portion of the fuck. They also planned to kick out all this cockerel, called the Georgian armed forces. Saakashvili with his hangers-on flew off to Azerbaijan in order to save his ass from scolding. Mishanya continued to trade the scoreboard on CNN, while looking like an absolute one apparently trying to litter the brains of the Americans so that they convinced NATO or its armed forces to keep the Russians from tearing his point on the German cross. Putin, not being who Saakashvili was, suggested that instead of the above, he should be "hung by the balls."


        Remember how NATO was confident that Georgian soldiers could resist the Bear? And what does this little thought look like now, huh? As for you, Georgia - remember this attempt at ethnic cleansing, Operation Clean Field, blah ... How did it go? Che, now not so cool?

        The moral of the whole story: not the Russian Bear, because he is everyone who will make such an attempt.


        Translation: vvv-ig.livejournal.com/255786.html?page=2&cut_expand=1#cutid1
        Original: encyclopediadramatica.se/South_Ossetia
        There are many letters, but it’s very interesting laughing
    2. Maks111
      Maks111 9 August 2012 17: 08
      0
      You all say that we need to wage an information war. But what is the point for us in Europe, which are NATO members to prove that we are good?
  8. Okcug32
    Okcug32 8 August 2012 10: 15
    +4
    This war, as in 39, showed that our army is almost not combat-ready. I would think about the shift command staff and rotate, and maybe even lay off
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 8 August 2012 10: 22
      +2
      A better military trebunals ...
    2. damba
      damba 8 August 2012 10: 23
      +2
      Okcug32,
      Sorry, but it seems to me that on the contrary we have shown that we can put any army in the world on its knees with backward equipment or with modern equipment, the failure of the General Staff or poor equipment in the field of radar and communications are just nuances.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 11 August 2012 10: 34
        0
        it is of course --- when OWN is there --- soldiers of any demon will be buried. the plan is that of Russian soldiers. but I would like to have high-quality equipment and control .......
    3. Samovar
      Samovar 8 August 2012 11: 53
      +11
      Quote: OkCug32
      This war, as in 39, showed that our army is almost not combat-ready.

      And since when is victory over the enemy not considered proof of combat effectiveness. Or do you think that a battle-worthy army is one in which soldiers do not die and that smashes the enemy’s army for XNUMX hours. The Russian army completed its tasks in the shortest possible time, despite the fact that the introduction of its units hindered the military and political leadership of the country and in technical aspects it was inferior to the enemy.
      1. VAF
        VAF 8 August 2012 12: 45
        +3
        Quote: Samovar
        despite the fact that the introduction of its units was hindered by the military and political leadership of the country and in technical aspects it was inferior to the enemy in a number of aspects.


        Well, the leadership with your thoughts strongly disagrees, +! good

        Continuation of my first koment, otherwise I didn’t fit drinks

        Recall, on the eve of the fourth anniversary of the military conflict between Russia and Georgia, a debate broke out in RuNet about the personal responsibility of the Russian supreme commander-in-chief of Russia for the victims in the first days of the war.
        According to Internet users, the ex-president should have made the decision to send troops into the besieged Tskhinval more quickly.

        The reason for rethinking the events of four years ago was the premiere of the 47-minute documentary "The Lost Day".
        In an interview with its authors, Russian officers who participated in the 2008 military operation sharply criticized the sluggishness of the supreme commander in deciding to protect civilians in South Ossetia.
        According to them, in fact, this order was issued on the third day after it became known about the actions of the Georgian army.

        “The decision on the possible actions of the Russian armed forces was made by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
        With the first fall of the projectile, the bombs give the command to use retaliatory actions in terms of weapons, in terms of troops. Then, I am convinced, the losses would have been much less, "comments General of the Reserve Army Yuri Baluyevsky, who served as Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces from 2004 to 2008.

        http://www.rosbalt.ru/
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 8 August 2012 13: 11
          +1
          Good afternoon, I want to know your opinion about this material.
          http://pvo.guns.ru/book/cast/georgia_ru.htm
          1. VAF
            VAF 8 August 2012 14: 36
            +1
            Quote: leon-iv
            Good afternoon, I want to know your opinion about this material.


            Almost solidly written material, just not docking with the author in that. What he writes correctly. There were 4 batteries of Buk-s, but ours destroyed them? At the same time, he immediately writes about the capture of entire batteries?

            The fact that they captured it is true .... two so at the main tie-eater near the residence.

            But about the actions of our Air Force ... I have already written repeatedly and a lot ..... so I will not repeat it! soldier
          2. stroporez
            stroporez 11 August 2012 10: 41
            0
            "The first real experience of military operations by Russian aviation over territory protected by various air defense systems will be studied in detail."
            Pts I would like to believe .......................
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 8 August 2012 13: 09
        +2
        We all understand perfectly well that the RA could destroy the Georgian army on August 1, 2 and 3 and 4 at choice. BUT in the modern media world, who would we be? We would again confirm their opinion about the "Asian hordes of barbarians".
      3. Nir
        Nir 8 August 2012 17: 01
        -2
        Quote: Samovar
        And since when is victory over the enemy not considered proof of combat effectiveness.

        Wuhu, too, see that if a big guy piled on with a stretch of a small dohlik ... Dear in the weight categories of the army of Georges and R.F. do not confuse, such a victory still doesn’t really say much, but on the contrary revealed a number of fundamental problems in the armed forces of the Russian Federation
        1. Samovar
          Samovar 8 August 2012 17: 18
          +2
          Quote: Nir
          Wuhu, too, see that if a big guy piled though with a stretch of a small dohlik ..

          The weight categories of the Russian and Georgian armies are certainly different. But specifically in South Ossetia, approximately equal in numbers groups opposed each other. Judge for yourself - 17 thousand people l / s in Georgia against 10 thousand in Russia and 3 thousand in South Ossetia + militia and volunteers. It can be said that the Russian army did not have decisive numerical superiority.
        2. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 8 August 2012 21: 34
          +3
          Quote: Nir
          Wuhu, too, see that if a big guy piled on with a stretch of a small dohlik ... Dear in the weight categories of the army of Georges and R.F. do not confuse, such a victory still doesn’t really say much, but on the contrary revealed a number of fundamental problems in the armed forces of the Russian Federation

          My dear man, are you aaash in your mind, or in Mary-enen? As I understand your word zhorzhia in our Russian language means "georgia" ??? The forces of georgia were initially superior to the grouping of the Russian army .. about communications in the subdivisions of the state zhorzhia on the territory of South ossetia ... well, chop-kirdyk !!!! GLORY TO VAYNAHAM !!!!!! GLORY TO BOTALON "VOSTOK" There is nothing to add ----- "if there is no military spirit in the soldiers --- there are no armies either" !!! !!!!
        3. Shooter308ful
          Shooter308ful 8 August 2012 22: 12
          +3
          Dear Nir, the fundamental problem of our army is that our army did not take Tbilisi and did not displace Mishiko, but stopped, reaching the true Georgian border and saved the Ossetians from complete destruction. Do you remember the name of the Georgian military operation, "Clear Field". But this is more likely not a problem for our army - it is a problem for the leadership of our country, the army would have completed this task accurately and on time, entering the combat space of Georgia. Yes, the US ships were hanging out there at that time, but they would not dare to attack the Russian army and go to war with Russia because of Georgia, and at best they would evacuate their faithful not even a jackal, but Mishiko the mongrel so that he would get a point the Russian soldiers and the Ossetians offended by them did not break the battle.
          This is our fundamental problem - it was necessary to bring the work we started to its logical conclusion.
    4. beech
      beech 8 August 2012 15: 07
      +2
      the army showed an excellent result, but the highest command - the minister, chief of the general staff, it’s time for them to retire !!!
      1. Nir
        Nir 8 August 2012 17: 03
        -4
        Quote: beech
        the army showed an excellent result, but the highest command - the minister, chief of the general staff, it’s time for them to retire !!!

        Enough already sins on the command ... which army is the command is naturally respected, do not separate them like they are different worlds.
        1. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 8 August 2012 21: 46
          +2
          Quote: Nir
          Enough already sins on the command ... which army is the command is naturally respected, do not separate them like they are different worlds.

          Do you want to meet our army in a clash ???? You are welcome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are the sweetest hollywood and bi-bi-si having seen enough .... son, do you even understand what a Russian Zoldat is ??????????????????????? and defeated soldiers with their own urine sprinkle ..... on our double "ZIG" the enemy's ass is being torn ... and no pictures are taken ... but why pull out ????
    5. carbofo
      carbofo 8 August 2012 18: 18
      +2
      Okcug32,
      Myself, maybe it will be better for the country.
      The decision to use weapons in relation to another country, this may be the first step on the road to hell. Here it may even be worth as Buddhists, do not 10 but 1000 breaths. For the price of a wrong decision can already be calculated in thousands.
  9. click80
    click80 8 August 2012 10: 17
    +6
    Yes MDA vapshche is time to condemn and shoot for treason, together with a stool
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: click80

      Yes MDA vapshche is time to condemn and shoot for treason, together with a stool

      Hi Sergey, people are for! But at the top they think it is necessary to start a new reform, the idiocy for which we can very much pay and this is the worst.
      1. VAF
        VAF 8 August 2012 12: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But at the top they think it is necessary to start a new reform, the idiocy for which we can very much pay and this is the worst.


        Sanya, welcome, +! In confirmation of your koment, here is an almost complete performance of our VKG!

        What other questions and who doesn’t understand what? recourse

        IA Rosbalt, August 7.
        Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on a documentary on the war in South Ossetia that appeared on the Internet today, in which the general of the reserve army Yuri Baluyevsky says that Russia lost the first day of the war in Ossetia in 2008, a Rosbalt correspondent reports.

        Putin said he did not share this view.
        "The level of decisions that we make does not allow us to operate in such categories," Putin said.

        In his opinion, intelligence has done its job, and the decision that the Russian authorities made regarding whether or not to use the armed forces is very responsible and difficult.
        "People were dying there," Putin said.

        In his opinion, the decision to use the Russian army in South Ossetia took about three days.
        All this time, authorities watched the Georgians pull their army to the borders of South Ossetia, which, according to Putin, lasted on August 4 and 5, then, on August 6, shelling began.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 13: 48
          +3
          VAF,
          We simply did not want to look like aggressors, but in the end we became such in the face of the world community.
          1. VAF
            VAF 8 August 2012 14: 42
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We simply did not want to look like aggressors, but in the end we became such in the face of the world community.


            Sanya, +! If you do business, then you can’t do it ... nalapopam ... if you do. so to do ...

            And my opinion is that our flag should have been set in Tbilisi !!!!

            Not we to them .. climbed!

            And in the face of the world community, we would be in any form and in any situation ..... well, you know everything else ......!

            But when they had already seriously stepped on the egg ... then Amerov’s minions would fall, it wouldn’t have to be chewed very much, and so ... I read a new cartoon of Galstukoed ???


            Georgia will join NATO and return all the lost territories, President Mikheil Saakashvili said while visiting the Shida Kartli region in eastern Georgia, which adjoins South Ossetia. This was reported on Tuesday by the media.



            Mikheil Saakashvili met with residents of three villages - Dzever, Kitsnisi and Karaleti, the presidential administration told Trend.



            In Karaleti, the president spoke of the challenges Georgia faces. According to him, despite numerous dangers, no one was able to change the course chosen by Georgia, the political choice of the government, which is a reliable sign that, in the end, Georgia will definitely win.



            Saakashvili recalled the events of the August war, and noted that the country will surely regain its territory.



            Recall that exactly 4 years ago, on the night of August 8, 2008, Georgian troops invaded South Ossetia. Later, Russian troops occupied the city of Tskhinvali and pushed aside the Georgian military. In late August, Russia recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. In response, Tbilisi broke off diplomatic relations with Moscow and declared the two unrecognized republics occupied territories.



            In memory of those killed in the August war on August 7 and 8, national flags were lowered in Georgia, and the country's ruling party suspended the election campaign in mourning.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 14: 48
              +6
              We join NATO and return the territory !!!!! In other words, we are starting the third world war. Once again the NATO leadership proves the "adequacy". As they were fascists, they remained so.
              1. VAF
                VAF 8 August 2012 17: 51
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                As they were fascists, they remained so.


                Therefore, it was necessary to beat, like the Fritz in 45, until the end!

                But then it was already possible to arrange .. tyagomotin! +! soldier
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 17: 56
                  +2
                  VAF,
                  Quote: vaf
                  Therefore, it was necessary to beat, like the Fritz in 45, until the end!

                  Sergey, I’m not the president of Russia and thank God. Not only Tbilisi is shaking my nerves, but there are plans in Washington and California. So I have two hands for scuffle with Saka, but Serdyukov thinks otherwise request
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 8 August 2012 19: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    So I have two hands for scuffle with Saka, but Serdyukov thinks otherwise


                    Sanya, I agree completely, but ...... soldier
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 9 August 2012 11: 36
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But at the top they think it is necessary to start a new reform

        If you think so - the army is still worth something, because the goal of all the reforms carried out by the "rudders" is to multiply the power of the army by zero, and if they still need reforms - that means there is still something left ... ...............how long.........
  10. gerome
    gerome 8 August 2012 10: 46
    +8
    "At the same time, the effectiveness of Georgian propaganda was helped by the fact that the country did not prevent Western journalists from entering the conflict zone. In turn, Russia made it almost impossible for representatives of non-Russian media to access South Ossetia, which was a big mistake. Discontent was expressed even in Russian publications "

    This was not a mistake. You would think that if Russia let the journalists supposedly democratic and free BBC, CNN, etc. then they would light the conflict in a completely different way. Everything would be the same. If only these journalists would snoop in our rear and transmit information about the movements of our troops to the Georgians. All these supposedly independent and liberal Western media are the propaganda machine of the Western capitalists. Waiting for objectivity from these media is ridiculous.
    1. expert2008
      expert2008 8 August 2012 11: 21
      0
      George, the fact that the journalist from the Air Force and CNN needed to be informed correctly is an unreasonable axiom. That's just to do it competently, i.e. this does not mean at all that they have the right to climb wherever they like. They should have received the right information from specially trained people and in specially designated places. For violation - deprivation of accreditation. As well as for distorting information ...
      1. gerome
        gerome 8 August 2012 12: 10
        +6
        "George, the fact that a journalist from the BBC and CNN had to be informed correctly is an unjustified axiom."

        I do not need to feed dogmas. If you naively believe that the Western propaganda machine will work objectively (that is, against its owners) if you take them, feed them, give them a drink, move them by the handle, then you are mistaken.

        "For violation - deprivation of accreditation. As well as for distortion of information"

        The war went on for 5 days, it’s ridiculous to talk about withdrawing accreditations. The information that Western journalists could pass on to the Georgians at our rear could cost the lives of our soldiers.
        1. expert2008
          expert2008 8 August 2012 15: 25
          0
          Georgy, in fact, this is how the press services of "our sworn friends" operate in the democratized regions. And, for some reason, they manage to prevent the infiltration of spy journalists ... And the dogma is that: those who force themselves to be respected are respected. You see, i.e. leaves no choice, but forces.
  11. leon-iv
    leon-iv 8 August 2012 10: 58
    -1
    Until Vladimir Vladimirovich was directly kicked to one place from Beijing, everyone was mildly afraid of something, ”complains the reserve army general Yury Baluevsky, who from 2004 to 2008 served as chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.
    Not afraid, but waiting for the ORDER.
    1. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 8 August 2012 11: 28
      +4
      Until Vladimir Vladimirovich was directly kicked to one place from Beijing, everyone was mildly afraid of something, ”complains the reserve army general Yury Baluevsky, who from 2004 to 2008 served as chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.
      This warrior, Yura Baluevsky (he is also the head of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces), about whom does he say that everyone, to put it mildly, was afraid? About myself? It is clear that with the LADY the president is like a bullet with a shit. It is also clear that only the president of the country has the decision to wage a full-fledged war (roughly speaking, take "an eraser and wipe Tbilisi off the map"). But all the same, Yura Baluevsky had enough rights and powers to make a decision on timely assistance to our peacekeepers. There are also a lot of questions for Yura and the company for planning and conducting military operations by the Russian army. They left again at the expense of the heroism of a simple soldier about lower-level officers up to the battalion commander inclusive. The generals, to put it mildly, not very well.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 8 August 2012 11: 41
        +1
        Generality to say the least, not really.
        Well so the generals, led by Khrulev, trampled on almost the first damn thing. Here they are the generals of Marshal Ustinov.
        1. Vladimir 70
          Vladimir 70 8 August 2012 12: 22
          0
          So it says that the "military generals" have no concept of planning and conducting operations. Russia was lucky that this "hero" was wounded, even though he stopped interfering.
      2. Ilhar
        Ilhar 10 August 2012 16: 52
        0
        This warrior, Yura Baluyevsky (who is also the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation), who says that they were all mildly afraid of? About myself? It is clear that with DAM the president is like a bullet.

        He was no longer an NGS then ... In June 2008. he was transferred to the Security Council of the Russian Federation ..
        But still, Yura Baluevsky had enough rights and authority to decide on timely assistance to our peacekeepers.

        He could not make a decision on the introduction of troops into South Ossetia, as he ceased to be the Chief of the General Staff, First Deputy Minister of Defense
        And the last Vladimir, if the number 70 means the year of your birth, then I think it’s not handy to call you Honored General Yuri, at least because in 70 he received his first officer rank after finishing the legendary Len. Peh .. Have a feeling like that or understand a little bit about some issues!
  12. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 8 August 2012 11: 04
    +4
    It seems to me that Mr. Sahak, except for the promise, did not grow anything ...
  13. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 8 August 2012 11: 11
    +5
    You cannot hide the truth, just as you do not try. She will find her way. Remembering how Russia poured mud on 2008 in August is now not so important. It is more important to prepare for future provocations, and they will be. Since this half-fool makes such statements, he is preparing a new adventure. And at this time, Russia should be ready to fight back the aggressor, including in the information field.
  14. Lexo
    Lexo 8 August 2012 11: 23
    -15
    I understand Russia ... I really understand ... but why did it attach a foreign land to the war? It would be better done economically so that people and countries themselves would want to go back! and so the war .... and what is it? This is an eternal confrontation of blood, meanness and blindness ...... In general, nothing good for both peoples ...
    1. aksai61
      aksai61 8 August 2012 11: 41
      +2
      Well, I haven’t joined yet ... And people already want it back ... But their governments don’t want it ... normal Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ossetians, Abkhazians sleep and see the passport of the Russian Federation, but who is older remembers the passport of the USSR .. After all, they voted in a referendum to preserve the territorial integrity of the USSR ... (except for the Georgians and the Baltic states, they were not allowed to express their word)
  15. pribolt
    pribolt 8 August 2012 11: 25
    +2
    It would be foolish to think that Saakashvili himself thought of the capture of South Ossetia, it seems that the pindos wanted to see the readiness of our Armed Forces and were very upset at the same time making certain conclusions.
  16. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 11: 33
    -13
    well hello
    already 4 years, these tragedies have passed !!!
    Propogonda everywhere and you too !!!
    excuse me, but I don’t believe in Russian TV when the Russian (Russian television channel if I’m not mistaken) journalist, ether shows the Georgian soldiers to be killed (we’ll kill the last (black), but the journalist claims that he was an American !!!
    I watched the 08.08.08 film or I don’t remember the military ether !! оче там там ’there starts and peas houses shake and say it is Tskhinval, but the truth is that it is a Georgian village where Ossetian militias stole, killed, and people and houses were burned !!!
    but then they poke around at the killed Russian soldier (peacekeeper) and the Georgian soldiers speak there (dialogue) there transliteration is not in order! and the names "vidish he received" but in truth he asked the question (with a feeling) "did not know what"
    propaganda of vezde (about 2000 civilians killed)
    blame both sides!
    1. Varnaga
      Varnaga 8 August 2012 11: 49
      0
      Today we are all Georgians!
    2. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 12: 30
      +5
      Zdorovsko used your Georgian soldiers and equipment of the USA good . But she checked the strength of the current Russian Army, found out what it was at that time.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 12: 36
        -6
        Quote: thatupac
        US used technology

        hamer? rust hamer
        Well, no reason !!!
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 8 August 2012 12: 53
          +3
          Well, why only a Hammer! Well, there was another American and NATO equipment. The Americans also checked what their equipment is worth during military operations. Maneuverability, speed, firepower, protection-armor. Well, you need to know everything in practice, and not in theory. In Iraq and Afghanistan, you won’t especially shove already, too? Well, here it is.
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 12: 56
            -3
            kakaia amerikanskaia texnika, bila tolka xamer umnik!
            1. thatupac
              thatupac 8 August 2012 13: 04
              +2
              Google to the rescue, my friend.
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 11 August 2012 10: 53
          0
          so it was about the rusty Hamer that the Americans spoke when they demanded their equipment back))))) !!!!!!!!!!!! from goons)))))))))))))))))))))))) and what for them scrap metal ????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. carbofo
      carbofo 8 August 2012 18: 36
      +2
      Geokingxnumx,
      So the topic popped up again, let's start in order:
      1-When the Georgians fired on Tskhinvali, is it already out of nowhere and the reporters with cameras next to the volley fire installations ?? hmm interesting?
      But the war has not yet been announced !!!, but in second per second broadcasts and interviews began to appear on this topic with suspiciously good and verified texts, this is not done in 10 minutes !!!!
      Many interviews were probably recorded in advance, as they do not look like raw material.
      2-If we attacked what the hell we fired at Tskhinval from the Georgian side.
      3-If We attacked Tskhinval, why the recordings of the phone cameras show Georgian equipment, Georgians, and machine guns firing anywhere, at home, on cars, aah, something seemed.
      4-If we attacked, then forgive me, why should we kill the Russians in the garrison of peacekeepers ?. Although a few hours before the attack, the Georgian part of the contingent of peacekeepers, claudia to all thick hairy .... just left the garrison!? so usually those who know what will happen!
      500-2000-10000 people died, it does not matter how much, it is important why!
      When gnawing a tie, it is important to know the reason, although some are incapable of it.
      Read what everyone says, and think over the words: - The truth is somewhere nearby.
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 8 August 2012 19: 02
        +2
        Geokingxnumx,
        Next:
        5-Why does a country that was not going to attack heavy equipment, I mean rocket and barreled artillery and tanks, in the demilitarized zone? Where is this clause registered in the contract that someone allowed Georgia to place tanks there?
        6-Why should a country that has a white sheep and does not touch anyone, buy an air defense missile system Buk, taken from combat duty at the capital of Ukraine under the control of an ill patient and a woman in a wig.
        Why send specialists with complexes to manage them with short contracts, which in general do not provide for the training of local crews? Is this an indirect sign?
        7-Why the striped company, transmitted high-resolution images through Colonel -USA, and what a coincidence, it was the adjacent territories to Tskhinval and Abkhazia, as well as detailed images of our base of peacekeepers.
        8- why should a country that is not going to attack anyone study the Roh tunnel for sabotage?
        9- Thousands more why and why, and not one speaks in favor of Georgia, you can be a herald a thousand times, but a bastard only once.
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 9 August 2012 08: 08
          +1
          carbofo,
          Geokingxnumx,
          What you answered me is always skepticism and a different point of view on events.
          This is not bad, but your point of view is almost the opposite.
          I have given only part of the arguments, which in most cases can be verified, but a priori you consider your right.
          I believe that you were deceived.
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 12: 13
            +1
            sorry who deceived me
            1. carbofo
              carbofo 9 August 2012 13: 36
              0
              Geokingxnumx,
              Media, government
  17. Lexo
    Lexo 8 August 2012 11: 40
    +1
    YES. Both sides are to blame. This is called a geopolitical confrontation. It is unfortunate that this is so ... We must live in peace as our ancestors lived. My grandfather lived in peace with you. My father also lived in peace with you! Why am I arguing with you?
    Only if you came to my house with a gun - I have to defend myself.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 11: 48
      -14
      I agree with you !!!
      but the best protection is an attack !!!
      at all how do not twist we had and now there is a right to do military action against militias
      maybe at all militias quarreled us !!!
      like not twist, not both sides did not kill Mirin inhabitants (well, chance always happens !!!)
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 8 August 2012 12: 36
        +13
        What are you driving here? The USA rented your soldiers and equipment in order to check the interaction of various types of troops of the offensive and defensive weapons of Russia in the anticipated wartime. And in order not to defeat the Georgians immediately, before the audit, the US trained, financially sponsored and relocated part of its equipment. I think that the Americans concluded that RA, of course, is not a fountain, but NATO can quite provide some resistance.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 12: 43
          -5
          mdaaaaa
          how do you know? kagda amerikanci skazali chto v irake atomnaia bomba i vashla tuda :) no akazalos ashibsia :)
          nu daa :) kaneshna. a kto skazal chto na rasiu mi napali? mojna vi ni askarblivali nas ok? da mne po xui chto amerika skajet, vabsheta amerika gavarila sderjivatsa, na pravakacii ni nachinaite vaenoe deistvie !!!
          where were you when the warrior started!
          1. thatupac
            thatupac 8 August 2012 12: 56
            +9
            Do not speed! You are toy dolls controlled by a puppeteer - USA. Or do you think that just so the United States began to help you financially? Yes, you didn’t stare at her. For your luck, you have an excellent geopolitical position right right with Russia. Where have i been He sat at home. But where were you when your troops allegedly liberated their own lands - this is already a much more interesting issue. You zasherilis, go somewhere, so as not to overstep, hehe hehe laughing ...
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 13: 02
              +1
              ti doma sidel i smatrel telik, a ia svaimi glazami videl vsiu vainu ...
              kak ia panimaiu ti ni znaesh v realnom mire chto takoe vaina.
              amerikanskaia armia ni finansirvala gruzinskoi armii.finansiravali gruzinskie biznesmeni, paliciu i armiu toje.vabsheta do 2007 goda armiu finansiroval bidzina ivanishvili miliarder :)
              nu pachimu askarblenie? iakobi nashi zemli? do 2008 19 avgusta rasia priznavala eti zemli gruzinskimi :) nu chto? ni ganits?

              p.c. as I do not like the limit of comments
              1. Lexo
                Lexo 8 August 2012 13: 36
                +4
                Don’t mess up guys! Better tell each other what to do so that we are friends again!
                1. thatupac
                  thatupac 8 August 2012 14: 09
                  +5
                  Friends we will not be soon. Georgia's American godfather won't allow it. It’s not just that the United States invests in Georgia.
              2. thatupac
                thatupac 8 August 2012 13: 41
                +6
                Actually, at that time I was in Krasnoyarsk, and you were in Georgia. Well, and to whom was the theater of operations closer? He could have picked up arms himself, signed up for volunteers and went to escort Georgian lands from Russian invaders and Ossetian bandits. But you What is not surprising, because then everyone saw how the Georgians hastily fled to settle in Tbilisi.

                Everything was financed by the USA, and not by some "businessmen", you know. It doesn't matter what kind of people it financed, the main thing is who the source of these funds is. And this is the United States, which is currently feeding its vassal in the South Caucasus, so that life in Georgia is not too dull. And then all of a sudden Russia will put its own in Georgia. And this is extremely unnecessary for the United States.

                What was acknowledged there - not recognized, then this is all at the level of diplomatic relations and no more. Moreover, after certain wars, Georgians were forced out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And in fact, it was not the land of Georgia for a long time.

                Resign yourself to living the way the USA tells you! What you have to do what the United States says, your freedom and democracy will be what the United States tells you!
                1. Lexo
                  Lexo 8 August 2012 13: 52
                  +3
                  No, the Georgian people lived and will live as the CAM decides ...! Another thing is that the President is dancing to the tune, no one can remove it! and the People is the People .... do not enter it here ....
                  1. thatupac
                    thatupac 8 August 2012 15: 41
                    +4
                    The Georgian people no longer decide anything! All Georgia is in the hands of the United States! She has already been sold to them. If only the Georgians there squeak something against the owner, then the beginning of the 90s will be a childish prank for Georgia. The economically easy US can turn Georgia into the most backward state in the region. They need Georgia only because it is in close proximity to Russia. And that's all. All these reforms, loans, various investments from abroad are the work of introducing the United States into this state. That's it, Georgia is "screwed" very firmly. And she will not jump off. They have elections there. But in fact, it doesn't matter who wins. Anyway, the victors, in particular the new president, will do what they say in America. So vote there, do not vote, but American still you will get a fat x ... Naive Georgians laughing ...
                    1. Lexo
                      Lexo 8 August 2012 18: 10
                      +2
                      This is you naive thinking that the Georgians are naive. By the way, you are no less dependent on dolar than we are. You just have hydrocarbons and EVERYTHING! here you are and you will be bogged down by them ... What will happen next when they end? Also, if you are so cool, well, you obeyed the United States and did not reach Tbilisi ...
                      It is a pity that I said it so sharply ... :(
                      1. Vldmr
                        Vldmr 8 August 2012 18: 40
                        +3
                        Enough of all our successes in dumping oil. Oil income per capita in Russia is 8 times less than in Norway. Oil itself will not jump into pipes and tankers. Production costs at Russian fields are among the highest in the world, plus transportation costs. A huge resource-intensive industry is the production and transportation of oil and gas. It's all about size. As they say, small states behave like prostitutes, big like gangsters, and there is nothing to be done about it. But Georgians are just naive, having such a big neighbor close by, provoke him in every possible way. And having received the scoreboard, cry loudly :)))
                      2. Lexo
                        Lexo 8 August 2012 19: 00
                        +2
                        Yes, the Georgians are so naive that they were absolutely sure that they would quickly and easily defeat Russia in the war! in my opinion it’s also naive to think so .....
                      3. stroporez
                        stroporez 11 August 2012 10: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Lexo
                        You just have hydrocarbons and EVERYTHING!
                        ------ defining word ---- "IS"
        2. carbofo
          carbofo 8 August 2012 19: 07
          +2
          thatupac,
          Many consider this war reconnaissance battle.
      2. gerome
        gerome 8 August 2012 13: 43
        +3
        So that's the name of the genocide of the rebellious peoples of the liberals))

        I was in Abkhazia, they still remember the landing of Georgians on the coast. They do not want to live with you and hate you for your massacre. There is Mount Mamzyshka (if I remember correctly), and on the side of the road to this mountain lies a rusty Soviet-style mini bus. Not without pleasure, the Abkhazians said that it was a crashed bus with Georgian policemen who were trying to escape after a failed attack.

        The shelling of Tskhinval is apparently also "accidental killing of civilians")))
      3. carbofo
        carbofo 8 August 2012 19: 06
        0
        Geokingxnumx,
        Believe what your people tell you, believe and you will be a gray mass of faithful dogs of the regime, only because you believe them.
        They have already proved everything to everyone.
        Although this is your country, do as you want, but remember if the patriot of your homeland do not wait for a warm welcome in another country.
        However, I suppose you already realized that thousands of minuses do not grow out of the blue.
    2. Varnaga
      Varnaga 8 August 2012 11: 49
      0
      This koment sounds especially wonderful from a person whose country has actually created a modern, integrated air defense system in Georgia, I shake hands!
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 12: 12
        -2
        well why do you like trolling

        look right G) what flag do you see?
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 8 August 2012 12: 38
          +1
          You are notable then ... laughing . Wait for US signs. Maybe soon in Washington o5 will want to check what RA is for today, and you are sitting at the computer laughing ...
        2. bukyak
          bukyak 8 August 2012 14: 53
          +8
          ... and what did you want to say with this photo ?! Ah, zhora? ... is it like "liberators" came? ... but why can't you show how your "brave wars" on residential buildings, hospitals, grandfather fired gardens, Ah, zhora? ... and these staged photos You show your "heroes" there, who preferred the war with wars - "slippers", and not just "slippers", but ran with such force that they supplied all their goods, and in order to brighten up their cowardice, they dressed Ukrainian mercenaries in Russian uniforms and taking pictures with toilets in their hands !!! ... And, Zhora? tell
          1. Splin
            Splin 8 August 2012 16: 05
            -7
            Quote: bukyak
            Dressed Ukrainian mercenaries in Russian uniform

            He waited for the prosecutor’s stupidity to be carried on bayonets. And now - please. The bait worked! Yes, the official nonsense! Down with introspection !!!
            1. bukyak
              bukyak 8 August 2012 16: 17
              0
              what kind of introspection? have you been there, seen with your own eyes? Or do you think that everyone who is online, and especially on such pro-Russian-patriotic sites, draws their information directly from the Internet and from the first channel ?! maybe you want to say that there weren't any of your "beeches" and experts there? ... for example, I know about those events directly from the one who took it, most of all, I have an active part in this "event" (I will omit the details) ...
              1. Splin
                Splin 8 August 2012 16: 30
                -7
                Quote: bukyak
                directly from the one who took direct

                Not if this is the confidence of an eyewitness soldier, he will tell a lot of things. Yes, and the field officer, too, will like the ass to repeat official information. I was in Gori, a year after the war and talked with people who directly lived in those places. Who was there I will not argue and argue - it is useless. But this is nonsense about dressing up and the Ukrainian SSovtsy who looted under the guise of fighters of the Russian Federation do not cling to any gates!
                1. bukyak
                  bukyak 8 August 2012 16: 48
                  +2
                  ... yes, yes, of course, soldier, private laughing ! ... of course nonsense, this is because the Kremlin is talking, but as everyone knows everything that the Kremlin says is either propaganda, or lies, or bloody torture knocked out in the dungeons of this building! ... I heard all these "songs" of yours and more than once ... and you tell whoever you want, your newly-found brothers Georgians in gori-kuyori, the BBC, CNN, just don't (in all seriousness) believe the Russians than you will do us a very big favor! ... but crap as you put it and it is not necessary in our age of high technologies and no less high Internet speeds, since a couple of pictures are enough for this, and a neighbor's grandmother! .... "I was in Gori" - well, as I understand you, what kind of expert?! ... Why did you go to the mountains and not to Tskhinvali?
                  1. Splin
                    Splin 8 August 2012 17: 02
                    0
                    No, in Gori, I was just on a business trip. For everything else, I just want to send you. When I was a cadet and a young summer, I also sincerely believed the Kremlin that there were such losses in Grozny because of the Ukrainian nationalists. Stop blaming your failures on third parties. Where did all this information go? Because the West believed the film "5 days in Augusta" (from which I spat). Take a look. There is a duplicated version in Neta. It is there that they talk about Russian atrocities (nonsense!), BUT THE FUNNY THAT NOW THE RUSSIAN PROSECUTOR is trying to hang on the Uurai saboteurs.
                    1. bukyak
                      bukyak 8 August 2012 17: 11
                      +1
                      ... I do not need from "you" as they say ... but what is your truth?
                      1. Splin
                        Splin 8 August 2012 17: 19
                        0
                        The use of the mat is not correct here - otherwise you will be banned. You are "young" on this site, I think you should not indulge in polemics with you about what I said earlier.
                      2. bukyak
                        bukyak 8 August 2012 17: 28
                        0
                        ... this mat does not affect your personality in any way, since if you are at least a Russian-speaking person, then you know that among Russian people often swear words are used so to speak for a bunch of words, and not for insulting !! ... and lastly I will say such a phrase, WHO IS NOT WITH US, THAT AGAINST US! as for me, this phrase is for all time. And as you wish and regard
                    2. stroporez
                      stroporez 9 August 2012 11: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: Splin
                      that due to Ukrainian nationalists in Grozny there were such losses.

                      I know about this from someone who was in the hands of our "Slavic brothers" ukrov. and now I am unbearably ashamed that I was born in Ukraine .........
              2. stroporez
                stroporez 9 August 2012 11: 46
                +1
                the lads said the Ukrainians had shown themselves in Chechnya, they did this --- mom don’t worry !!!!!
          2. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 12: 10
            -2
            Have you been taught good madder?
            Quote: bukyak
            how are your "gallant wars" in residential buildings, hospitals, grandfather fired gardens

            sorry but people like you say in the basements they were sitting on the 12 floor
            there were militias in the houses
            Quote: bukyak
            and to brighten up their cowardice, we dressed Ukrainian mercenaries in Russian uniforms and took pictures with toilets in their hands !!
            ooh you read the stats yeah
            mdaa sorry but you're wrong!

            oh yes I posted a blog post peacekeepers
            1. bukyak
              bukyak 9 August 2012 12: 24
              -1
              Quote: GEOKING95
              STATIU

              ... ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha .... ARTICLE JORA, ARTICLE !!!! ... but in general, CROP KAMPOT ZHORA, HE'S FAT, IN IT THE CHEESE SOAP SOAP !!!! !!!!!!! laughing
        3. urzul
          urzul 8 August 2012 14: 53
          0
          Is this the case with the 324 highway frame?
        4. ALPETSEM
          ALPETSEM 8 August 2012 20: 25
          +1
          White-red-blue flag is visible, again the decorators messed up everything, a staged photo and so on.
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 9 August 2012 11: 54
            +1
            but really. checkboxes then left laughing laughing laughing
    3. stroporez
      stroporez 11 August 2012 10: 56
      0
      hear syudy, fellow countryman. and explain to me, the bratsk seller, what the hell new bandera, with machine guns in the Caucasus did ????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ukraine was captured ??????????
  18. Alex_dnepr
    Alex_dnepr 8 August 2012 12: 26
    +9
    Georgia made an attempt to solve the conflict in South Ossetia by force

    - from the filing of his new elder brother: USA

    "a list of their losses"

    - seigneur ..., corporal ..., - no comment ...

    “NATO is a peacemaker”

    - Yes, and do not forget about the American supply of weapons, hamers and specialists for Georgia during (and naturally ahead of time) those events.

    "The information war that was going on around the conflict in South Ossetia in August 2008 was exactly the third generation information war."

    -And then such "Russian" media like Radio Svoboda, Echo of Moscow, all sorts of channels like ours, BBC news and other traitors were probably immediately activated.

    "Honoring the memory of those killed in the war and on the territory of Georgia"

    - The Georgian people scammed very large, allowing Saakashvili and other US representatives to power.
    Indeed, good people live in Georgia, hospitable, with wonderful traditions who don’t need no war, no quarrels with Russia, but the fish, as they say, rots from the head.
    Let us hope that the people of Georgia will unite and change their minds.
    Just as we hope, the Ukrainian people have changed their minds after the "fabulous orange revolution" and will, as it were, receive immunity from such situations and politicians.
    Well, Saakashvili will hope that all the same she will not have time to hide in the west and will suffer a deserved punishment.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 12: 38
      -5
      if you know Georgians, then you will understand that we will not lose our lands
      Well, Saakashvili, Kokoiti and Putin must be hanged :)
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 8 August 2012 13: 00
        +6
        If the United States wants, then you will voluntarily give Turkey the land of Adjara when it was part of the Ottoman Empire and don’t squeak to Turkey. For the USA, Turkey is a much more profitable partner than some Georgia with its petty interests. The USSR collapsed, and it was thanks to this country that Adjara remained in the GSSR.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 8 August 2012 13: 05
          -2
          Quote: thatupac
          and it was thanks to this country that Adjara remained in the GSSR.

          rossiiski empire
          Quote: thatupac

          If the United States wants, then you will voluntarily give Turkey the property of Adjara to Turkey

          oooh means ajaria historical land of the turks) mdaaaaaa
          learn the story!
          1. thatupac
            thatupac 8 August 2012 13: 44
            +6
            Read about the Ottoman Empire. And read that it was the Russian Empire that fry the Turks after the war this territory and annexed it. And then, when the USSR appeared, then this territory, due to geographical proximity, moved to the GSSR. Google is better, comrade, better. You will know better the history of your country.
          2. carbofo
            carbofo 8 August 2012 19: 12
            0
            Geokingxnumx,
            And who will ask you? Turkey ?? I beg you, you will not be naive when the time comes, the Turks will arrange autonomy and secede from Georgia by joining Turkey, an orange Gastuk and both.
          3. carbofo
            carbofo 9 August 2012 11: 19
            0
            Quote: GEOKING95
            oooh means ajaria historical land of the turks) mdaaaaaa
            learn the story!

            Then why are there so many Turks?
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 12: 08
              +1
              mnoga is turok iest mnoga etnicheskix gruzinov :)
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 9 August 2012 13: 39
                0
                Geokingxnumx,
                Original!? , then it turns out that the Georgians, ethnic Russians ??
              2. stroporez
                stroporez 11 August 2012 11: 06
                0
                it has already very clearly shown that the ethnic majority Pts easily turns into a minority, the price is different. Interestingly, they will put the scalp of an "ethnic Georgian" in Adjara ???)))))))))))))) and very soon Georgians will become an endangered species there)))))))
  19. Lexo
    Lexo 8 August 2012 12: 38
    +3
    Yes, where does the people = as technology says - no matter how they vote! It is important how they think! USA stands for Saakashvili! What can people do against such a giant? Even Russia can not remove it, what to say about the people ...
  20. gerome
    gerome 8 August 2012 12: 53
    +5
    "As a result, having won the armed confrontation, Russia lost on the information field."

    It sounds too harsh and one-sided. Russia lost the information war in the West, but won it at home. Moreover, the authorities managed to brilliantly show all the duplicity and hypocrisy of the West on a concrete and real example. Everyone could go to the sites of Western media and see the blatant lies of these "free" and "liberal" supposedly. This was a colossal blow to the 5th column inside Russia and the State Department liberals were afraid to open their mouths about Georgia and generally stopped singing like a nightingale about the "humane US policy in the world."
    And to win the information war in the West is not realistic how to win in a dishonest game. Neither the USSR nor the USA managed to win the information war against Nazi Germany and Goebels in Germany itself before Hitler was defeated.
  21. Farvil
    Farvil 8 August 2012 13: 15
    -6
    I compare our president with either Stalin or Peter 1. I don’t shit to shit before them and his feeding up to Menshikov.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 13: 44
      0
      Why is that?
  22. grizzlir
    grizzlir 8 August 2012 13: 56
    +5
    Yesterday I wrote something similar about the war with Abkhazia. By and large, those freaks who ruined the Soviet Union were to blame. Among them were Shevarnadze and Yeltsin. This war was not the fault of Georgians and Russians, the leaders of our states were to blame. The worst thing happened what the West so dreamed about. One of the most friendly Russians in the Caucasus became our enemy. My fate threw me to Georgia only once, in the 1990s in the village of Kasriskali. I never met a more hospitable people.
  23. koshara-988
    koshara-988 8 August 2012 14: 05
    +2
    Peacekeepers themselves are not a force for warfare. They indicate the presence of a more significant force in the conflict region. And if there is an attack on peacekeepers there should be an immediate reaction (which by the way did not happen). Something like this
  24. ksg111ban
    ksg111ban 8 August 2012 15: 51
    0
    I recommend that you read the chronicle of events 08,08,08 on an interesting site:
    http://lurkmore.to/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%AE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%B
    E%D0%B9_%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8
    1. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 8 August 2012 16: 21
      +1
      The Georgian Führer in the outhouse to force the world and ties him into the back seat to cram in NATO to SEE.
  25. cucun
    cucun 8 August 2012 16: 23
    +1
    But Borjomi is not enough for me (mineral water) ... Lyrical digression.
    By the way, when does a tie-eater end?
    1. bachast
      bachast 8 August 2012 16: 27
      0
      I switched to "Yessentuki" - normal. True, fake, on fake wink
  26. Scholarships
    Scholarships 8 August 2012 16: 33
    0
    they showed us our weaknesses to work on. thanks to them for that.
  27. Darck
    Darck 8 August 2012 16: 44
    -4
    The information war against Russia began even before the start.
    Come on, if you consider that since the 90s, they did not love each other, then the information war is logical.
    Georgia turns not to the UN, but to NATO, as a “guarantor of security and justice”)
    And what do they despise to Mongolia? The right to choose is not how.
    “Georgia is a member of the civilized world” (interview in pure English, Saakashvili’s EU flag is always behind him)
    Why all this petty crap:? Some attempts to reinforce my thoughts with my own arguments. I remember Lovrov here, spoke English. Therefore, Russia always loses. And when it loses, there are all kinds of EXPERTS who give their arguments. Where were these experts before? And when the house has already burned down, they’ll come with smart thoughts, such as the presence of ash suggests that there was probably a fire. And again, they didn’t let journalists in and said, do not believe what they show you, believe what we are saying. And the proverb immediately comes back, it’s better to see it once than a hundred times .... And if you allow yourself to have it, don’t complain that you have it. Yes, and the Russian media do not have any facts to at least somehow they showed the same Saakashvili who was kissing or chewing on his tie or some shots from CNN. And everyone together made arguments why he would like a tie so much. And they propaganda, though no one will watch this news, I watched Rush Tudey , they are even worse than CNN. Especially touches on e against that background, the general message that the same Russian media carry, other media lie and lead the people of the West astray, but we don’t, we are telling the truth here.
    (which by the way did not happen)
    It did not happen, because they were waiting for as many people as possible to fill up, and there was a reason to lead the troops there. I thought the article would be devoted to the memory of those who beat, but it turned out to be another analytical fake and an attempt to rehabilitate.
  28. strannik595
    strannik595 8 August 2012 17: 52
    0
    maybe it's good that they began to fear us .............. now the right of Russia to "veto" is confirmed by goosebumps from the NATO military at the thought of ignoring our right ....... ........... which is proved by the nature of the goods that they delivered by sea to their partner in Afghanistan ------ mineral water and toilet paper ............... ... don't worry, drink some water, go to the toilet ....... we will support you! feel
  29. segamegament
    segamegament 8 August 2012 17: 57
    +10
    The answer to many questions ...
  30. Okcug32
    Okcug32 8 August 2012 19: 07
    +2
    Sorry, but it seems to me that on the contrary we have shown that we can put any army in the world on its knees with backward equipment or with modern equipment, the failure of the General Staff or poor equipment in the field of radar and communications are just nuances.


    An army without a general is not an army. I am not saying that we do not have professionals, but even they, without an order, will not do anything themselves.
  31. Skavron
    Skavron 8 August 2012 19: 40
    +3
    read the comments ...
    it should be sad, but it became funny ...
    almost no one was in the conflict zone, and everyone clever.
    I explain to everyone: the US had a desire to probe the military drowning and the ability to respond to the attack from outside the Russian side ... they felt with the hands of Miho and others like them ...
    Russia could not bend again, because if it hadn’t reacted adequately (as it happened), it would have fallen very much in the eyes of the world military elite ... and this is too much, I would say ...
    And in the end, sadly, thanks to the efforts of the United States, Russia and the Russians again look like invaders and occupiers ...
    There is only one way out ... to launch an information war on the English-speaking space ourselves ...
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 22: 47
      0
      You said everything correctly up to the moment when you wrote that "the Russians again look like invaders and occupiers ...". It was at that moment. Now they don't think so.
  32. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 8 August 2012 21: 37
    +2
    I don’t know how many drawbacks I honestly don’t give a damn, but try to look at the situation without blinkers and propaganda, sometimes it seems to me that our peacekeepers are also standing there so that the Ossetians wouldn’t go to slaughter Georgians this mentality of the eastern and mountain peoples will not do anything you can’t agree with them and re-educate them, you can either buy them or keep them in check but there are no right and wrong people there initially they just are
  33. SenyaYa
    SenyaYa 8 August 2012 22: 37
    -1
    What nonsense about the lost day ?????? What nonsense ???Among the authors of this nonsense, as I understand it, there are a lot of cool specialists in "words" ... Apparently everyone thinks that it is easy to take responsibility for the beginning of hostilities !!!! And what are the consequences ???? After all, the consequences could be ANYTHING in fruit before the outbreak of World War III !!! Nobody knew what the Georgians had agreed upon !!! And who is behind them .. I'm naooborod proud of the Putin-Medvedev clan in this situation! Well done !! For Yeltsin and Gorbach would not have taken on such a LOAD at all! And they would simply have drained obkhaz
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 23: 18
      0
      The EBN would have zoomed in to ransack and snap. I would pour myself vodka and leave for my alcoholic astral. Just like he did in the 90s. But Putin did everything right then. There was no other way.
  34. Kukota
    Kukota 8 August 2012 23: 18
    +1
    But I want to say about the other side of the information war - it was impossible to watch the reports on the first channel without the package, it was sick from production scenes.
    And yet our officials were very fond of accusing the foreign media of lies. But why was there not a single attempt to sue them for libel?

    Ah, and one more interesting point - our generals have never voiced losses in armored vehicles. Moreover, for some reason, none of the journalists asked about this ...
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 9 August 2012 00: 04
      +1
      Yesterday there was a story where our pilots explained the losses by the fact that they did not expect that Georgia had air defense and not bad .... It is interesting if the plan to repel aggression was adopted almost 2 years before that, where was our intelligence, something did not fit, someone of them lies, or pilots or Vova .....
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 9 August 2012 08: 15
        +1
        REPA1963,
        Ukrainian equipment and Ukrainian crews, very experienced people.
        that’s why we lost planes, so for the eyes we can say that Ukraine shot down our planes!
  35. Aeneas
    Aeneas 8 August 2012 23: 53
    0
    I think, think, think ..., Russia did learn how to wage information wars. At least against the allies. From how many lines were poured on the heart of Lyaksandr Grygorich Lukashenko since 08.08.08, it cannot be calculated in cubic meters. Documentary films on NTV, part 1, part 2, announcements of these opuses. And then, as Be agreed, Aleksandr Grigorievich was a difficult negotiator, well, we are allied brothers, etc. .. But the residue still remains with Lukashenko personally, and Belarusians in general. feel and tutochki again this nonsense with Ukrainian mercenaries. With Ukrainians, tankers, air defense, saboteurs, the topic seems to have covered up. Right now they came up with a mulberry with dressing up and robbery-hooliganism. Well, you yourself are not funny? And this is purely about Russian politics in Kiev, the first joint parade in Sevas after many years, the adoption of the Law on Language Policy with preferences for the Russian language ... In general, the horses are drunk, harness harness! fool
  36. 16
    16 9 August 2012 00: 03
    0
    Well, when they just stop wiping our feet !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????????????????? ????
  37. trampman
    trampman 9 August 2012 01: 06
    +2
    it’s not even funny to read about how Georgia headed by Mishan in the near future will win back any territory from Russia, it’s not even funny to hope that the Yankees will harness themselves in a ground operation for him, the next attack towards Russia will be solved even faster - remember "slowly harnessing ........." And I still can't imagine Beal and John leaving their corvettes, yachts, iPads, houses, hamburgers, etc. in distant America. and those who went to fight Russia, and most of us have nothing to lose - it won't be Counter-Strik.
  38. Alex63
    Alex63 9 August 2012 06: 26
    0
    It cannot be that the leadership of our country does not know about the actions of the Georgian president. It could not be sudden and unpredictable. But our main traitors to the country, Medvedev and Putin, apparently agreed on something with Saakashvili. It was possible and necessary to take preventive measures. There is a conspiracy with the criminal. So Putin and Medvedev are also criminals. And our reaction to the actions of Georgia is a belated response to our own jambs. When will these freaks Putin and Medvedev be removed from our lives? There is no strength and desire to see and hear them. Fell and sell the country. Can't we stop them? Men are really already a cry of the soul.
  39. bachast
    bachast 9 August 2012 08: 08
    +1
    Alex63
    Medvedev and Putin, apparently agreeing on something with Saakashvili. There is a conspiracy with the criminal.

    To whom is it visible? On what face? You are not outsiders of Putin and Medvedev and their policies, okay, but why accuse Saakashvili?
  40. lado-6060
    lado-6060 9 August 2012 08: 35
    -8
    after yesterday’s GDP interval, it all became clear who the aggressor was.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 9 August 2012 10: 50
      0
      lado-6060,
      What do you mean ? Explain yourself.
  41. lado-6060
    lado-6060 9 August 2012 11: 30
    +1
    about it- "It's not a secret, there was a plan, and we acted within it," Putin said. "It was developed by the General Staff in late 2006 - early 2007, and agreed with me. As part of the plan, we trained South Ossetian militias."
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 9 August 2012 11: 46
      +1
      lado-6060,
      You're wrong with the picture, definitely.

      I won’t tell you that the military always builds plans for any situation and works on them, so as not to engage in unnecessary planning in the absence of time.
      Everything is thought out in advance, where how and to whom to cut the eggs, everything is prescribed in advance.
      This is normal for the military. everybody does it make plans for defense, even countries with a defensive doctrine train troops for landing operations, because this is a modern battle. And you have to be ready for everything.
  42. lado-6060
    lado-6060 9 August 2012 11: 57
    +1
    I subscribe to every word. but it prepares and equips the militants; these are violations of all agreements.
    1. Karabekir
      Karabekir 12 August 2012 11: 47
      -1
      Okay!
      Here you are right, Putin directly blamed himself !!
      Moreover, he set up peacekeepers!
      It turns out that the peacekeepers (since there were no Russian soldiers in the territory of South Ossetia besides them) trained and trained Ossetian militias, which immediately changes their status!
      That is, to a large extent, Russia from the very beginning took a position hostile to Georgia, and did not try to help solve the problem, of which I have no doubt knowing about the same situation in our conflict!
  43. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 12: 45
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2U4zX1rKgE
    Why did 4 of August start thinking about the invasion?
    1. Lexo
      Lexo 9 August 2012 13: 00
      -1
      Are you from Tbilisi?
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 13: 07
        +1
        no baton!
  44. Lexo
    Lexo 9 August 2012 13: 21
    +1
    I remember the time (I was little) = when Moscow, Tashkent, Minsk, Riga sat in the courtyard in Tskhinval, Rachi, Kakheti - they drank wine, raised a toast for friendship, for the future .... but what it was like for the future ... .. It’s sad that so .... Sakartvelo forever in my heart beloved Earth! There I buried my father ...
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 9 August 2012 13: 42
      0
      Lexo,
      Mishiko came and 250 years of friendship were gone! isn't it fast?
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 14: 01
        +1
        I agree, but Russia (Putin) is also to blame
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 14: 00
      +2
      Lexo
      come on) I’m totally in Batumi!
      nothing friends sometimes quarrels)
      1. Dialogue
        Dialogue 9 August 2012 15: 06
        0
        sorry Georgian thinks so sorry
        1. Karabekir
          Karabekir 12 August 2012 11: 50
          -1
          dialog !!
          Fool around you cover Georgians as you want!
          You call rodents, cowards, and it’s not a pity, but here a man expressed his position quite justified and you’re sorry)))
  45. Lexo
    Lexo 9 August 2012 16: 19
    0
    Well, how should a Georgian think? because he is not in your land - in his ...
  46. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 9 August 2012 17: 10
    -1
    http://www.tv100.ru/news/v-yujnoy-osetii-vspominayut-pogibshih-vo-vremya-gruzino
    -osetinskoy-voyny-v-avguste-2008-goda-60154 /
    nu skajite pajalusta eta ni smeshno chto li? pakazivaiut gori i atstroin gruzinskie derevnia.
  47. Phoenix193
    Phoenix193 9 August 2012 18: 38
    +2
    "there is nothing friends sometimes quarrel)"
    I would have smiled back if I had not seen a 4re coffin with 200 specialists from "Rossich" and the eyes of fellow Ossetians, whose relatives were ironed with "hail" while we were waiting for the loading command ...
  48. stroporez
    stroporez 11 August 2012 13: 51
    +1
    I am surprised how Russians and Georgians and other "brothers" do not understand ---- the "civilized" world pit us against each other so that we ourselves destroy each other as much as possible .... so that the "great white masters" will have less work is the most offensive ---- and Vanka, and gogi, and mykola - are happy to try .................
    1. Lexo
      Lexo 13 August 2012 10: 33
      -1
      1000000% fully subscribe
  49. Taratut
    Taratut 14 August 2012 19: 39
    -1
    Russia's position in this conflict is very doubtful. In the best case, Russia acted as a provocateur.
    It is clear that recognizing in words the disputed territories as part of Georgia, we
    1) prepared an armed militia among the separatists
    2) entered their troops without permission (say, a railway battalion
    3) our planes flew over Georgia and dropped missiles.
    Everyone understands that Russia used the situation for its own purposes. Not for the sake of some Ossetians, we started this. We provoked Mishiko for a long time and deliberately. And he acted on his territory.
  50. Head Physician
    Head Physician 4 November 2017 23: 03
    +15
    Memorabilia