New multipurpose nuclear submarines "Yasen-M" will receive the KR "Caliber-M"

New Project 885M Yasen-M multipurpose nuclear submarines, laid down at Sevmash on July 20, will become the first carriers of the fundamentally new Kalibr-M cruise missiles. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.

According to the source, the laid down nuclear submarines Voronezh and Vladivostok will be armed with the new Kalibr-M cruise missiles with a range of more than 4 km. The new missiles will either carry a conventional high-explosive fragmentation warhead or be equipped with nuclear warheads.

The new multipurpose submarines will be carriers of the fundamentally new "Calibrov-M" with a firing range of over 4 km. New submarines will be better prepared for a non-nuclear strategic deterrent mission than their predecessors

- the agency leads the words of the source.

As a reminder, the project 885M Yasen-M multipurpose nuclear submarines Voronezh and Vladivostok are planned to be launched in 2024 and 2025 and transferred the fleet until 2027 year.

Earlier it was reported that the main armament of the Yasen-M submarines is the Kalibr and Onyx cruise missiles; in the future, they should also receive the Zircon hypersonic missile undergoing testing.

Comments

[tralflot1832]

I hope this is not a "bullet" from journalists. More than 4000 km.

[Kalmar]

Quote: tralflot1832

I hope this is not a "bullet" from journalists. More than 4000 km.

For the aviation X-101, 5500 km are declared. So, in principle, it is plausible, since the dimensions of the launcher make it possible to make the rocket "thicker" due to additional tanks.

[tralflot1832]

Is the M index marine? It differs from the ground one, it is painted with paint resistant to sea water. Then how much is ground, also over 4000 km? Purely logical.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: tralflot1832

Is the M index marine?

Upgraded, most likely.

Quote: tralflot1832

Ground then how much, also for 4000 km?

Huh.

[Liam]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: tralflot1832
Ground then how much, also for 4000 km?

Huh.

Himself is not funny?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Liam

Himself is not funny?

It's funny. Liam, we've talked about this before. Your "argumentation" boils down to the fact that "this cannot be, because it can never be."

[Liam]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Funny

Well, thank God. And when a person's sense of humor refuses, it's a disaster)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Liam

Well, thank God.

It's good that you're not afraid to look funny. But your desire to find yourself in funny situations is somewhat strange :) However ... am I my brother's keeper? :))))

[NEXUS]

Quote: Liam

Ground then how much, also for 4000 km?

Huh.

Himself is not funny?

Even a simple Caliber, which has half its warheads, is capable of flying 4000 km. And what did you see funny here, young man? Your stupidity?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

More "Caliber" good and different! Refined and modernized! Involved in the production of success and luck, and adversaries - leaky diapers!

[Kalmar]

Quote: tralflot1832

Is the M index marine?

Rather, "modernized": "Calibers" and so all sea; about the land option so far only talk (in light of the cancellation of the INF Treaty).

[Orange bigg]

Quote: tralflot1832

Is the M index marine? It differs from the ground one, it is painted with paint resistant to sea water. Then how much is ground, also over 4000 km? Purely logical.

The M index means modernized. KR Caliber was originally a sea-based KR. And only after the US withdrawn from the INF Treaty was the task set to "land" the sea-based KR Caliber, that is, to make a land-based KR out of it.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Kalmar

Quote: tralflot1832

I hope this is not a "bullet" from journalists. More than 4000 km.

For the aviation X-101, 5500 km are declared. So, in principle, it is plausible, since the dimensions of the launcher make it possible to make the rocket "thicker" due to additional tanks.

The X-101 has a hitting radius of no more than 3000-3500 km, the Kh-102 in the 4000-4500 km region.

According to some reports, the adoption of new missiles took place in 2013 after the deployment of their serial production, which began in 2011. Due to the highest accuracy (1-5 meters) and long range (according to various estimates, up to 3500 km), the Kh-101 missile even with a conventional warhead, it is capable of solving not only tactical, but also strategic tasks. It was also reported about the development since 2000 of the X-SD medium-range missile using ready-made technical solutions X-101, with the same control system, but with reduced dimensions and firing range.

Presumptive characteristics

long-range cruise missile Kh-101 (Kh-102)



Launch weight, kg

2200 ... 2400

Warhead weight, kg

400

Warhead equipment type

conventional or nuclear

Firing range, km

3000 ... 3500

Maximum speed, m / s

250 ... 270

Cruising speed, m / s

190 ... 200

Main dimensions, mm:



- length

~ 7600

- wing span

~ 4400

- body width

~ 750

EPR area, sq.m

~ 0.01

Flight height, m:



- minimum

30 ... 70

- maximum marching

6000

Onboard control system

Autonomous, inertial terrain correction from a laser altimeter and satellite navigation system

Guidance on the final section - television or radar seeker

http://otvaga2004.ru/kaleydoskop/kaleydoskop-air/raketa-x-101/

[Kalmar]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The X-101 has a hitting radius of no more than 3000-3500 km, the Kh-102 in the 4000-4500 km region.

On Wikipedia, somewhere on VO and in a couple of Internet articles, up to 5500 were indicated. Apparently, there is no exact data in open sources. One way or another, the order "up to 4000 km" for the "Caliber" in nuclear equipment with additional. Bucks looks still achievable. It's hard to say how it is in reality.

[bayard]

Quote: Kalmar

for "Caliber" in nuclear equipment with add. Bucks looks still achievable

"Caliber-M" will have no add. tanks, and INCREASED body diameter up to about 650 mm. , therefore, the fuel will arrive approximately twice, and the weight of the warhead can be increased by 1,5-2 times. The decision was asked by itself, because the launch cup is designed for the start of "Onyx" with a diameter of 650 mm.

[tralflot1832]

Znvchit has something to zhahnut on the foe and his henchmen. I'm waiting for a squeal from Europe and the State Department. Good news. Thank you.

[PROXOR]

5500 when starting from the air. And this one needs to get out of the TA, turn upward, turn on the starting engine above the water surface and gain altitude. It will take a lot of fuel.

[bayard]

Quote: PROXOR

And this one needs to get out of TA

This one will come out of the vertical launcher, of which the Yasen-M has 40 pieces. behind the wheelhouse.
From TA it is possible to launch only the usual "Caliber-PL" with a diameter of 533 mm.

[Beregovic_1]

of which "Ash-M" has 40 pcs. behind the wheelhouse

32 pieces. The Yaseny-M's armament did not change. I don't know where this fake comes from on the network.

[bayard]

Indeed - walks, from open sources and took.
But still, it would be much more pragmatic to build, instead of "Ash", "Borei-K" with a much larger number of missile launchers in the launchers. And the price would be about the same as the classic "Borey", and the striking power would increase several times, and the price would come out twice as cheap.
And the capacity for the construction of the MAPL would be freed up.
And so, for the sake of not even 40, but 32 RC, to build such a colossus, which is not suitable for the role of an MAPL at all, and as a shock one, it is under-armed. Even the "Baton" after upgrading to 72 CD will carry ...
A very unbalanced program.
And the fact that instead of repairing existing and awaiting repairs of MAPLs, they build "unmatched" Poseidon carriers ... is doubly surprising. The fleet was left without multipurpose submarines, but it has a whole zoo of percussion aircraft, which there is SOMEONE to protect. And even more so there are no pennants left for the actual multi-purpose tasks.
Who planned THIS?
Who are THESE "great strategists"?
Everyone is known.
And untouchable.

[Beregovic_1]

for the sake of not even 40, but 32 CR to build such a colossus, which is not suitable for the role of an MAPL at all, and as a shock one it is under-armed.

The Americans are building multipurpose boats with 8-12 missiles, and nothing like that ... They have a balanced fleet, and no one considers Virginia a failure. "Ash" was conceived as a universal boat to replace the zoo projects. It was planned that it would replace the 949 project as a shock, and 945, 671 and 971 as a hunter. The idea was not bad, but the implementation ... We have other technologies, other opportunities, a different school of shipbuilding. There are a lot of innovations in the project, therefore it is long and expensive, but this does not mean that it is bad. It surpasses all our previous projects in terms of armament, low noise and capabilities of the SAC, and is inferior in price to the same "Virginia". There are only claims to torpedo weapons.

Even the "Baton" after upgrading to 72 CD will carry ...

Again, despite the advertisements and promises, not a single Project 949 boat on Onyx has been rearmed, and it is not a fact that it will be. So in fact there are 24 Baton missiles against 32 (42 when launched from a TA) Ash missiles.

Who planned THIS?
Who are THESE "great strategists"?
Everyone is known
And untouchable. bully

Well planned. The new project "Husky" is very dubious, and the notorious "Poseidons" and their carriers also raise many questions. At the same time, instead of the Husky, two more boats of Project 2 were laid, which is good news. Large series = correction of errors + cheaper cost of each ship in the series.

[bayard]

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

Well planned.

The fact that all MAPLs were left without repairs?
"Ash" is still a SSGN, not a MAPL, and a classic one. According to Soviet plans, he was supposed to replace the 949 project. And this is really a very good SSGN, with a very good GAC.
But the price!
And do not compare with Virginias, they have a completely different pricing. Better to compare with Borey, which, as I already wrote, may well be a carrier of CD, only it will carry them in much larger (several times) quantities. And Shoigu, by the way , advanced the construction of such a version of "Borea", but after the completion of the current programs.
The price of "Borea" is 1,5 - 2 times lower than the price of "Ash".
BC is about 3,5 times higher.
Wearable torpedo stock:
"Ash" - 30 pcs.
"Northwind" - 40 pcs.
"Borey" has a water cannon (low noise), "Ash" - no.
But "Ash" has a very good SAC ... and "Borey" has a truncated version of it.
So, choosing this direction, the entire program for the construction of SSGNs (Ash) would cost 2 (!) Times cheaper, construction would proceed at a higher pace (unification, uniformity), and the saved funds would make it possible to design and build a normal MAPL in dimension 945 project, as planned under the USSR.
And even choosing the "Ash" as a promising SSGN, everything would be quite decent if the "leftovers" of funds would not have gone to the "Poseidon" and its carriers!
Exactly the overruns under the construction program of "Ash" and "Poseidon" with its carriers gobbled up all the remnants of the budget and shipbuilding resources ... and the MAPL and the SSGN of the previous construction turned out to be WITHOUT REPAIR.
Not only because of a lack of money, but also because of a lack of personnel and ship repair facilities ... because they built / rebuilt the Poseidon carriers!
And the cherry on the cake - "Husky \ Laika", which was expected to be seen in the guise of the reincarnated "Lyra" or 945 project, but ... (!) Saw in the form of a swinging "Ash-M" - the same dimension and VI.
And even higher prices.
And this is a cross on hopes of waiting for the fleets of normal MAPLs - multipurpose nuclear submarines with torpedo tubes, through which, if necessary, they perfectly shoot and CD, in a moderate (!) Displacement (which will make the price just as moderate and will allow them to be built in a large enough series to suffice for all tasks.
And as a result, we will / will have a sufficiently large fleet of IMPACT PLAINS, and we will almost lose a lot of target ones (971 pr. Will not be enough for a long time.
That's why I DO NOT BELIEVE that

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

Planned properly

... and I think that at the end of the Soviet era, they planned much better.
But we are not looking for easy ways.
With us, more and more often it is across the common sense.

[Wedmak]

This is not even a bullet, it is a control BOPS to the deceased of the INF Treaty.

[Crash]

Quote: Wedmak

control BOPS to the deceased RIAC treaties

"Caliber" to the INF Treaty no sideways. He is sea-based

[Berber]

Like this. It seems that he is not a "strategist", but he will grind a couple of cities into dust if desired. Our navy's teeth are growing.

[A009]

Good news in the morning. If the information is correct, of course.

[Pavel57]

"Caliber-M" with a flight range of more than 4 thousand km can be installed on any ship from a small RC and above.

[Ryaruav]

how easy it is with you two locksmiths took and put on any ship

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Ryaruav

how easy it is with you two locksmiths took and put on any ship

Well, why?

Small missile ships of the project 21631 "Buyan-M" and patrol ships of the project 11661 "Gepard" in the course of modernization will receive an increased ammunition load of cruise missiles "Caliber", the Navy is interested in this project. Renat Mistakhov, head of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, said this in an interview with TASS.
"We have proposed for two projects 21631 and 11661 a concept with an increase in displacement. On Buyans, for example, we proposed to supply 16 launchers, instead of 8. And on Cheetahs we proposed expanding missile weapons to 24 launchers," Mistakhov said.

[WingCat]

Then they would put it on all the ash trees, since it is only larger than the size of the missiles and it will not fit into the old ones.

[Beregovic_1]

Perhaps the matter is in limiting the length of the TPK. she is about 8 m.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Pavel57

"Caliber-M" with a flight range of more than 4 thousand km can be installed on any ship from a small RC and above.

Yeah ... and the problems of detection and target designation - do not care!

[Coconut]

"Calibrov-M" with a firing range of over 4 thousand km.

Who recently pressed on my ears saying that the calibers are not nuclear 1.5 and nuclear 2 t.km. here's the answer ...

[Orange bigg]

And what does this have to do with it? Perhaps the Caliber-M will have a new engine from the same X-50 and new fuel, which will ultimately give such an increase in performance characteristics.

[Crash]

"Caliber", according to unconfirmed reports - up to 2,6.
"Caliber-M" announced for 4

[Beregovic_1]

"Caliber" is the reincarnation of the Soviet 3S10 "Granat" rocket, which is in service with Project 671. "Granat" flew 3000 km from a nuclear warhead, and was launched from a TA. I see no reason why the Caliber shouldn't fly this range. The firing data for 1500 is related to the fact that there were no confirmed long-range launches.

[Ryaruav]

where are the zircons? caliber it seems to have passed

[Orange bigg]

On state trials of Zircons. Caliber passed, the next step is Caliber-M.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Yeah ... and the problems of detection and target designation - do not care!

I am sure that we are talking about missiles for striking stationary targets, the coordinates of which are well known.

[Old26]

Quote: Pavel57

I am sure that we are talking about missiles for striking stationary targets, the coordinates of which are well known.

Even when shooting at stationary objects, the problem of target designation is not completely eliminated. INS has the ability to accumulate error and how much the deviation will be when firing at 4000 km is an open question. In addition, you should not, as usual, make another "wunderwaffe" out of the newly voiced CD. Long range is good, but long range at subsonic speed is also an increased reaction time of the enemy to this threat.

[swzero]

Why do we need enhanced non-nuclear deterrence capabilities? According to the Papuses, it is excessive, against NATO, we are not strong enough to scare them with conventional weapons. Even Japan is not strong enough to scare them. On the contrary, we need expanded nuclear deterrence capabilities, taking into account the development of pro weapons and the shortage of nuclear weapons.

[Connor MacLeod]

Why are there so many of them? 885 is too big for MAPL! When will you finally understand?

Make you reduced Ash by 8000-9000t. 8 TA, without missile silos. And you will have MAPL! What problems?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Old26

Even when shooting at stationary objects, the problem of target designation is not completely eliminated. INS has the ability to accumulate error and how much the deviation will be when firing at 4000 km is an open question.

In cruise missiles, when firing at ground targets, the INS error is reduced either by using systems such as GPS, or through terrain correction (TERCOM). Relief correction is available on 3M-14E.

[Old26]

Quote: Pavel57

In cruise missiles, when firing at ground targets, the INS error is reduced either by using systems such as GPS, or through terrain correction (TERCOM). Relief correction is available on 3M-14E.

There must be both. Both GPS and terrain. But such a correction is only possible when the rocket is flying over land. Therefore, the first "Tomahawks" and had restrictions on the launch range from the coastline.
And the flight over the water surface, where there are no correction points, will be exclusively by INS

[Pavel57]

Means Glonass or restrictions over the sea. There is also astrocorrection.

[lvov_aleksey]

in general, GPS or GLONAS is a weak point for a rocket, who does not believe?
ps I will explain - a triad, you know how it is ?!

[Pavel57]

Quote: lvov_aleksey

GPS or GLONAS is a weak point for missiles

In the face of serious turmoil - as if weak.

[Old26]

Quote: Pavel57

Means Glonass or restrictions over the sea. There is also astrocorrection.

Astro correction was and is only on SLBMs (ICBMs). Not on any cruise missiles.
It is the limitation over the sea that nullifies all these ranges of our KRs of 4000-5000 km. For in order to hit the target, they will have to go through the correction area. But whether the CD will fall into this section from a distance of 4000 km, taking into account the ANN errors, is a question. Moreover, GLONASS (like GPS) is not an absolute. The signal is either muted, or changes can be introduced into it. This is one of the subsystems of the guidance system, no more

[Pavel57]

Astro correction was still on the Lavochkin-Tempest cruise missile.

[Old26]

Quote: Pavel57

Astro correction was still on the Lavochkin-Tempest cruise missile.

Look at the altitude of this rocket and the altitude of the current cruise missiles. Maybe (only maybe) there will be such a system on Zircon-type hypersonic missiles, but not on subsonic cruise missiles.

[Alex968m]

And what is PRINCIPALLY new in it? Hyper- or at least supersonic speed? Not??? Then this is the century before last. Subsonic air defenses are easily knocked out.
And as for the boat - it's time to go to the Husky.