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In South America, they drew attention to the footage of the nuclear explosion "Tsar Bomba" declassified by the Russian Federation

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The largest in the world stories the bomb exploded in 1961. A 40-minute film was dedicated to him, which the Soviet leadership immediately classified. On the 75th anniversary of the birth of the USSR's nuclear program, the state corporation "Rosatom" decided to publish a video of the tests of the Soviet "Tsar Bomb". The footage was noticed in South America.


In particular, the Argentine publication Clarin writes about this.

In the entire history of mankind's existence, people have not created a larger explosive device than the Tsar Bomba. This is the very same "Kuzkina's mother" that Nikita Khrushchev threatened to show to the West. By creating this aviation The thermonuclear bomb, codenamed "Ivan", was led by Soviet academician Andrei Sakharov.

The feasibility of creating super-powerful nuclear charges was explained by the fact that when using them, it was not required to observe the accuracy of the hit. The object will be destroyed even if the bomb explodes several kilometers away.

Guided by this logic, the USSR created an ammunition weighing 27 tons and a length of eight meters. The Tu-95 bomber had to be specially modified for the Tsar Bomb.

She was dropped from an airplane over the Barents Sea from a height of 10 kilometers. It exploded four thousand meters from the ground. By that time, the bomber had already moved 79 kilometers away from the explosion site, so it was already safe. The flash was visible even at a distance of 1000 kilometers.


Actually, these tests did not solve any practical tasks, except for strengthening the prestige of the state, therefore, neither the USSR nor the United States began to produce such ammunition. Both nuclear powers in the 60s and 70s focused on the production of much smaller warheads, which could be equipped with intercontinental ballistic missiles.

And so the arms race began. The Argentinean edition notes that there was an element of absurdity in this:

From a certain point of view, the arms race was absurd, because both superpowers spent huge amounts of money on creating devices that they could use only by endangering all of humanity.

But isn't the danger of total annihilation the main deterrent to this day?
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  1. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 27 August 2020 15: 31 New
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    One of the few right things a dumb corn man does.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 27 August 2020 15: 39 New
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      Don't repeat this dubious nickname
      It was invented by competitors to discredit Khrushchev.
      For example, under Khrushchev, the massive construction of housing for the population of the USSR began.
      The increase in pensions and much more aimed at improving the living standards of the people.
      By the way.
      Even before the revolution, he was a highly qualified specialist (working profession).
      He was not stupid.
      By the way, Lukashenko is somewhat reminiscent of Khrushchev.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 27 August 2020 15: 47 New
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        Gennady. Good day.
        I remember a lot of things about Khreshchev. I do not belittle his merits or crimes.
        First of all, without his connivance and even support, we would not now have a terry Bandera regime in Ukraine and would not sit under the Crimean sanctions.
        And so yes, one of the main achievements of Khrushchev is that he banned architecture as an art, placing at the forefront the construction of residential boxes, and not houses (maybe it should have been, but before that, somehow they could build something similar to a human housing, and with his arrival it was lost). Anyway. much of the art. So, maize. he is a maize and everything in which he is praised. this is just a Stalinist legacy, plus the devaluation of the ruble. The only thing that has advanced is the cinema. And even then, it is not clear how, although absolutely amazing.
        But for the tsar bomb and quick reaction in the Caribbean, my human thanks.
        1. Temples
          Temples 27 August 2020 16: 35 New
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          But isn't the danger of total annihilation the main deterrent to this day?

          Not. The threat of total annihilation is not the deterrent.
          And it never was.

          Danger never restrained a person at all.

          The imminent retaliation is this factor.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 29 August 2020 22: 28 New
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            Khrushchev's main crime, in my opinion, is that he began to throw mud at Stalin.
            The bad tradition of mixing with the dirt of the predecessor began with him. And it was interrupted only by Putin. As bad as Yeltsin was, Putin did not criticize him. And he didn't give it to other politicians.
        2. ghby
          ghby 27 August 2020 17: 22 New
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          Quote: Al_lexx
          Khrushchev is that he banned architecture as an art, placing at the forefront the construction of residential boxes, and not houses

          In our city, the Palace of Culture was built, the columns were for beauty, and they were already installed, they are on the old photos, and then, as a result of the struggle against excesses, they were demolished. Why is it not clear.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 27 August 2020 17: 42 New
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            Quote: ghby
            In our city, the Palace of Culture was built, the columns were for beauty, and they were already installed, they are in the old photos, and then, as a result of the struggle against excesses, they were demolished

            That was the name of this company: "Struggle against bourgeois excesses in architecture". And instead of the Ministry of Construction and the Institute of Architecture, they created one organization "Construction and Architecture", putting construction in the first place. Despite the fact that the so-called "openwork house" on Leningradsky Prospekt in Moscow, near the "Dynamo" metro station, has the same panel Khrushcheb (and it is), but looks like a work of art. With this, its cost is by some a few percent higher than that of an ordinary five-story building, since all the bas-reliefs are cast and could be produced en masse. But since the Chief said NIZYA, it means no way.


            .
            "The main chronicle of mankind is reflected precisely in architecture ..."
            (c) Victor Hugo.
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 27 August 2020 18: 11 New
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              Quote: Al_lexx
              Quote: ghby
              In our city, the Palace of Culture was built, the columns were for beauty, and they were already installed, they are in the old photos, and then, as a result of the struggle against excesses, they were demolished

              That was the name of this company: "Struggle against bourgeois excesses in architecture". And instead of the Ministry of Construction and the Institute of Architecture, they created one organization "Construction and Architecture", putting construction in the first place. Despite the fact that the so-called "openwork house" on Leningradsky Prospekt in Moscow, near the "Dynamo" metro station, has the same panel Khrushcheb (and it is), but looks like a work of art. With this, its cost is by some a few percent higher than that of an ordinary five-story building, since all the bas-reliefs are cast and could be produced en masse. But since the Chief said NIZYA, it means no way.


              .
              "The main chronicle of mankind is reflected precisely in architecture ..."
              (c) Victor Hugo.

              Disunite the proletarian people. Some live in a laced house, others live in a laced house. No way. Only in identical, completely unsuitable for normal living, houses. In noisy apartments, and freezing in our northern country. Ditch the virgin soil, millions of small slingshots. To raise soil salinity in these semi-deserts, black dust storms here, in Siberia, in winter, when the snow was covered with sand for a dozen centimeters over the entire area, from horizon to horizon. The soil turned up there, in the steppes, not fastened by the roots of grasses and carried out, holes twisted meters in depth, twisted by tornadoes ... I remember singing songs about a record virgin harvest of one hundred pounds per hectare. (For reference, this is 16 centners per hectare, this year the yield is 55 centners). THEN bought in Canada to replace a little corn in a loaf, now Russia is the first exporter of grain. in the world. Postscripts in the reports became the scourge that finally buried the belief in the correctness of the path. Empty promises, to live under communism for the current (then) generation .... Redrawing the map of the USSR. There are no crimes that can be forgiven for this little baby.
              1. Iris
                Iris 27 August 2020 20: 10 New
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                Fair.
                However, there is a "but". It's not even about the well-known merits (which were also). The point is in the system, in the political system of the Soviet Union. Specifically, in the leading role of the party, in which party affiliation had absolute primacy over professional competence.
                Immediately after the debunking of the Stalin personality cult, Soviet propaganda immediately began to create a new one - the Khrushchev personality cult. Not a single case in the country, down to nails and matches, was solved without a party, and a party could not be without a cult. And the cult responded to the pyramidal hierarchy of subordination.
                As a result, a semi-literate (in fact) person began to single-handedly make decisions on an unlimited range of issues affecting the lives of millions of people, in many of which he did not have competence in principle.
                And no one could object to anything until they removed it.
                His trouble was not that he was worse than others. The trouble was, he was more self-confident than everyone else. And the existing system did not have - and, by definition, could not have - a mechanism to compensate for this factor.
                1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  Kuzmich Sibiryakov 27 August 2020 20: 56 New
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                  Quote: Iris
                  Fair.
                  However, there is a "but". It's not even about the well-known merits (which were also). The point is in the system, in the political system of the Soviet Union. Specifically, in the leading role of the party, in which party affiliation had absolute primacy over professional competence.
                  Immediately after the debunking of the Stalin personality cult, Soviet propaganda immediately began to create a new one - the Khrushchev personality cult. Not a single case in the country, down to nails and matches, was solved without a party, and a party could not be without a cult. And the cult responded to the pyramidal hierarchy of subordination.
                  As a result, a semi-literate (in fact) person began to single-handedly make decisions on an unlimited range of issues affecting the lives of millions of people, in many of which he did not have competence in principle.
                  And no one could object to anything until they removed it.
                  His trouble was not that he was worse than others. The trouble was, he was more self-confident than everyone else. And the existing system did not have - and, by definition, could not have - a mechanism to compensate for this factor.

                  The old wisdom that there is no worse executioner, like a slave with an ax in his hand. I will not give Zhukov's description of the dance on the table in this shirt. At Stalin's feasts. You can believe it, you can not believe it. There is not much truth in the memoirs.
                  One true genius does not need to crush anyone. He is exalted by his own mind, skill, talents ..... Raising others to his level. Small, mean, scoundrel, this is not available. His destiny is to crush, walk over the heads, destroying the brighter than himself. Otherwise, against a light background, its grayness will be more than noticeable.
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          3. bukyak84
            bukyak84 27 August 2020 18: 11 New
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            Video on the subject.
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 August 2020 17: 56 New
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          Quote: Al_lexx
          And so yes, one of the main achievements of Khrushchev is that he banned architecture as an art, placing at the forefront the construction of residential boxes, and not houses (maybe it should have been, but before that, somehow they could build something similar to a human housing, and with his arrival it was lost).

          And what else was there to do when it was urgent to give people housing? It is very convenient to mock the "revenge of the Baltic states" while sitting in your own apartment. And when the majority of the population does not have this apartment? People moved to Khrushchev from basements, communal apartments, rented rooms and corners, from the same barracks. For them, these were the first full-fledged apartments - with hot and cold water, with central heating, and finally with their own bathroom.
          I still managed to see the housing from which my father and his parents moved to Khrushchev. A barrack in Vaganovo made of sleepers, with amenities in the yard.

          There was no time for decorations - it was necessary to urgently give people normal housing. And then with the "Stalinists" in the 7 post-war years, less housing was built than in 1960 alone.

          Plus, the architects themselves did such that they just ran into the bossy shout:
          During the construction of the administrative building of the Gruzugol plant in Tbilisi (architects Chkhikvadze and Chkheidze), a decorative, practically unused tower 55 meters high was erected at the cost of 3 million rubles; the cost of facing the facades of this building amounted to 8,1 million rubles or 33%. total construction cost.
          As a result of major excesses in the design, the cost of building one square meter of living space in a number of houses in Kharkov exceeds 2 thousand rubles, and for individual houses it reaches 3 thousand rubles. For example, the cost of one square meter of living space of a 5-storey building of the Boiler and Radiator Plant is 2826 rubles (architect Ryabchenko), a 7-storey residential building on Plekhanovskaya Street - 2811 rubles (architects Krykin and Bondarenko).
          In Voronezh, on Koltsova Street, a 5-storey residential building of the Ministry of Machine-Tool and Tool Industry (architect Skulachev) with a tower over 70 meters high is being built, the cost of which is about 2 million rubles. The 5-storey building of the Administration of the South-Eastern Railway, built on Revolyutsii Avenue by the project of the architect Troitsky, has an 11-storey tower 70 meters high, which also costs about 2 million rubles. The building has 3 decorative arches and a 3-storey colonnade.
          ... the building of the control room of the Noginsk substation of the Ministry of Power Plants is faced with polished granite to a height of two meters. The entrances to this building are also made of polished granite, with large granite balls installed at the entrance. Despite the fact that only a few people per shift should work in this building, the lobby is decorated with artificial marble, marble staircases, stucco ceilings, walls are decorated with marble and oak, the outside of the building is decorated with pilasters with stucco capitals. The metal fence around the substation consumed 360 tons of metal. Such facts are not isolated in industrial construction.
          In 1954 the volume of construction according to standard designs in Moscow amounted to only 18%. the volume of housing and cultural and household construction.
          In Leningrad, out of 353 residential buildings under construction, only 14 houses are being built according to standard designs.
          © Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR of November 4, 1955 No. 1871
          People have nowhere to live - and architects almost compete in whose house is more expensive and more difficult (longer) to build.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 27 August 2020 18: 02 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            People moved to Khrushchev from basements, communal apartments, rented rooms and corners, from the same barracks.

            Namesake. Well ... you don't tell me. wink My family moved from the "elite" communal apartment in Presnya (they lived in the same entrance with the actor Kryuchkov, and there were plenty of others. My grandfather was not to say that a simple hard worker), to a five-story building on Fili. I perfectly remember all this and understand perfectly well. But I will repeat (!). If we wanted to make our home more human, we could. Architecture is a very delicate art. You can give a nondescript box a unique appearance with a few strokes. But there was exactly a company to fight ...
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 27 August 2020 18: 05 New
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              Quote: Al_lexx
              But I will repeat myself. If we wanted to make our home more human, we could.

              Even a 5% increase in the cost of a house for "decorations" is 19 Khrushchev instead of 20. There was no time for fat. sad
              1. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 27 August 2020 18: 08 New
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                Quote: Alexey RA
                Even a 5% increase in the cost of a house for "decorations" is 19 Khrushchev instead of 20. There was no time for fat.

                If you think I'm arguing with you, then no. I just expressed my opinion that with the arrival of Khreshchev, architecture in the USSR was buried deeply and for a long time. They did not reanimate it later either under Brezhnev or during the "hearse races". And only now, in some places, you can see something digestible in construction. And even then. most often based on the Stalinist monuments.
                1. Iris
                  Iris 27 August 2020 21: 12 New
                  +2
                  As a graduate of the Moscow Architectural Institute, I cannot agree with you. The 55th decree catalyzed 2 parallel processes - typification of design and construction and the development of a new, modern architectural language.
                  Thus, on the one hand, residential buildings and most common-purpose public buildings have almost completely become typical, on the other, buildings that are unique in terms of their purpose or location in the urban environment began to be designed in the light of world architectural trends.
                  The Period of Mastering the Classical Heritage, as the "Stalinist Empire" is scientifically called, is over, the era of the "Parthenons" in the design of everything - from a typical cinema to a public toilet.
                  As for the typical buildings .. The pilot projects were created by architects. And the architects, in the complete absence of artistic expressive means, developed a new language, which became the landscape and the composition of the arrangement of buildings in space.
                  All new areas had to be designed individually, the placement of houses relative to each other, their number was put in strict dependence on the relief. And this was a task at the very edge of world trends - only the Japanese were still doing such work in the world at that time.
                  But the Party knows better where, how and how much to build! Therefore, immediately after the pilot, the rest of the projects passed to the engineers, the participation of architects in the design was abolished, and new dull areas began to sculpt construction trusts under the formal signature of the General Plan.
                  1. Al_lexx
                    Al_lexx 27 August 2020 23: 26 New
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                    Quote: Iris
                    The 55th decree catalyzed 2 parallel processes - typification of design and construction and the development of a new, modern architectural language.

                    I am not an architect, but I have old friends who graduated from Moscow Architectural Institute. Some of them then began to play punk rock, some build cottages on the ruble, and some decorate the central channels of our television. I will not say that my opinion is somehow imposed by them or somehow formed. It's just that all of us (in my circle), born in the 60s, are completely in solidarity in this opinion. I have no particular desire to breed controversy with you on this topic. But in the early 80s, we joked that the new Kremlin Palace of Congresses is surprisingly similar to one much less well-known American multi-storey garage (only the lazy did not talk about this then, from those who had at least some relation to and concept in art). That's the whole so-called "new architectural language". Compared with the creations of their ancestors, and even next to the Stalinist imperial pseudo-Empire - complete squalor. And you have every right to disagree with me in this and talk about the merits of the "new architectural language" and the leading role of the party. in setting creative supertasks, before people of art. smile
                    1. Iris
                      Iris 27 August 2020 23: 42 New
                      +2
                      I am far from thinking of imposing my opinion on anyone - I just shared my view of the problem. Thank you for attention.
                      As far as CDS is concerned, I fully agree with you. Even leaving aside the architectural merits and demerits of the building, it can be argued that its construction was an ill-considered decision that significantly changed the appearance of the Moscow Kremlin. ...
                      1. Al_lexx
                        Al_lexx 28 August 2020 15: 24 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Iris
                        I am far from thinking of imposing my opinion on anyone - I just shared my view of the problem.

                        Don't be so suspicious. ))
                        I didn't mean you when I spoke about my opinion. I meant that although I did not graduate from Moscow Architectural Institute, but for many years I communicated and communicate with different people from art (artists, architects, musicians, writers) and in this area I have my own opinion, completely formed and time-tested.
          2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            Kuzmich Sibiryakov 27 August 2020 18: 22 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: Al_lexx
            And so yes, one of the main achievements of Khrushchev is that he banned architecture as an art, placing at the forefront the construction of residential boxes, and not houses (maybe it should have been, but before that, somehow they could build something similar to a human housing, and with his arrival it was lost).

            And what else was there to do when it was urgent to give people housing? It is very convenient to mock the "revenge of the Baltic states" while sitting in your own apartment. And when the majority of the population does not have this apartment? People moved to Khrushchev from basements, communal apartments, rented rooms and corners, from the same barracks. For them, these were the first full-fledged apartments - with hot and cold water, with central heating, and finally with their own bathroom.
            I still managed to see the housing from which my father and his parents moved to Khrushchev. A barrack in Vaganovo made of sleepers, with amenities in the yard.

            There was no time for decorations - it was necessary to urgently give people normal housing. And then with the "Stalinists" in the 7 post-war years, less housing was built than in 1960 alone.

            Plus, the architects themselves did such that they just ran into the bossy shout:
            During the construction of the administrative building of the Gruzugol plant in Tbilisi (architects Chkhikvadze and Chkheidze), a decorative, practically unused tower 55 meters high was erected at the cost of 3 million rubles; the cost of facing the facades of this building amounted to 8,1 million rubles or 33%. total construction cost.
            As a result of major excesses in the design, the cost of building one square meter of living space in a number of houses in Kharkov exceeds 2 thousand rubles, and for individual houses it reaches 3 thousand rubles. For example, the cost of one square meter of living space of a 5-storey building of the Boiler and Radiator Plant is 2826 rubles (architect Ryabchenko), a 7-storey residential building on Plekhanovskaya Street - 2811 rubles (architects Krykin and Bondarenko).
            In Voronezh, on Koltsova Street, a 5-storey residential building of the Ministry of Machine-Tool and Tool Industry (architect Skulachev) with a tower over 70 meters high is being built, the cost of which is about 2 million rubles. The 5-storey building of the Administration of the South-Eastern Railway, built on Revolyutsii Avenue by the project of the architect Troitsky, has an 11-storey tower 70 meters high, which also costs about 2 million rubles. The building has 3 decorative arches and a 3-storey colonnade.
            ... the building of the control room of the Noginsk substation of the Ministry of Power Plants is faced with polished granite to a height of two meters. The entrances to this building are also made of polished granite, with large granite balls installed at the entrance. Despite the fact that only a few people per shift should work in this building, the lobby is decorated with artificial marble, marble staircases, stucco ceilings, walls are decorated with marble and oak, the outside of the building is decorated with pilasters with stucco capitals. The metal fence around the substation consumed 360 tons of metal. Such facts are not isolated in industrial construction.
            In 1954 the volume of construction according to standard designs in Moscow amounted to only 18%. the volume of housing and cultural and household construction.
            In Leningrad, out of 353 residential buildings under construction, only 14 houses are being built according to standard designs.
            © Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR of November 4, 1955 No. 1871
            People have nowhere to live - and architects almost compete in whose house is more expensive and more difficult (longer) to build.

            What to do to urgently give a person housing? Do not you understand - TO GIVE FREEDOM TO HOUSING COOPERATIVES, TO GIVE AID FOR SELF-BUILDING. EVERYTHING TO ENCOURAGE, HELP. CANCEL REGISTRATION. How many abuses were done in order to get into the apartment, to attend to giving to the children, Don't you understand that where there is DEFICIENCY, there are crimes?
            DEPARTMENTAL HOUSING. The Soviet model of serfdom, enslaving more strongly than the peasant from the landowner. I quit my job - get out of the apartment. As a child, I myself witnessed how the police threw away the belongings of the family of a teacher in our school because my husband quit the factory. Factory house. I remember her roar, knots in the snow and a crowd of neighbors who could do nothing. It was not even possible to shelter her at home. This was regarded as non-earned income. Who would believe that a stranger can be sheltered for free? Criminality.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 27 August 2020 18: 42 New
              +4
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              What to do to urgently give a person housing? Do not you understand - TO GIVE FREEDOM TO HOUSING COOPERATIVES, TO GIVE AID FOR SELF-BUILDING.

              Suppose you gave it. And then what? Are materials and labor resources for housing construction and industrial construction included in the plan? Do people have money?
              What benefits, when the state itself until 1957 voluntarily and compulsorily borrowed money from people to cover the deficit?
              1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                Kuzmich Sibiryakov 27 August 2020 18: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                What to do to urgently give a person housing? Do not you understand - TO GIVE FREEDOM TO HOUSING COOPERATIVES, TO GIVE AID FOR SELF-BUILDING.

                Suppose you gave it. And then what? Are materials and labor resources for housing construction and industrial construction included in the plan? Do people have money?
                What benefits, when the state itself until 1957 voluntarily and compulsorily borrowed money from people to cover the deficit?

                The material consumed in Soviet construction was buried without mercy. To halve it for self-construction - a man would not throw a broken brick. How much concrete, mortar was dumped outside the city into ditches? Either one is not ready, the other is not timely .. Would a private trader throw so much? Do you know that there were vegetable gardens, Michurin plots in private hands? Do you know that a third of the potatoes in the country (I know for sure) was collected from these sites? And the areas for this business were ten times smaller than similar collective farm fields. Hence the conclusion that the yield was three times higher than in collective farms. And this is collected by CITIZENS, not specialists in this area. The state did not withdraw money for its own needs. IT WITHDRAWED THEM only because there was nothing to buy with this money. The pressure of the money supply was so great that ... By the way, the same is being done now. Money is withdrawn from circulation and piled up in staggers on stabilization funds. For money on hand, for which nothing can be bought, accelerates inflation, devaluing it to zero.
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 August 2020 08: 03 New
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                  "By the way, the same thing is being done now. Money is being withdrawn from circulation and piled up in stakes on stabilization funds. For the money on hand, for which nothing can be bought, accelerates inflation, depreciating it to zero."

                  Well, now there is something to buy, because the market is open!
                  1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                    Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 08: 47 New
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                    Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                    "By the way, the same thing is being done now. Money is being withdrawn from circulation and piled up in stakes on stabilization funds. For the money on hand, for which nothing can be bought, accelerates inflation, depreciating it to zero."

                    Well, now there is something to buy, because the market is open!

                    You did not understand. If that surplus money is poured into the budget, it will go into salaries, pensions, into the assets of enterprises, and there you have the same inflation. Full of money, but no OWN product. It is necessary to count not goods on counters, in warehouses and customs, but goods of our own, Russian production. Then, if EXACTLY this product exists, then the money paid for it is returned to the budget, to the manufacturer. and goes to the same workers' salaries.
                    What we have now is a non-Russian product, mostly made, and the money paid for THIS product floats abroad, does not reach our people. A normal economy is the equality of the amount of money and goods of its own production. We supply raw materials. Compared to, say, computers, it costs almost nothing. Compare the cost of a ton of oil and the cost of a ton of computers. To provide us all with these things, we need to sell trillions of tons of oil. So, from here we are called the gas station of the West.
                    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                      Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 August 2020 18: 54 New
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                      “You don’t understand. If that surplus money is poured into the budget, it will go to salaries, pensions, the assets of enterprises, and here you’re the inflation. There is a lot of money, but there is no OWN product.”

                      "A normal economy is the equality of the amount of money and goods of our own production. We supply raw materials."

                      I really do not understand, I do not see a direct correlation between production and export, for example, you can be a monopolist in the domestic market with a multi-billion dollar turnover and not export a single gram or piece of anything!
                      Plus, there are a lot of our own goods, apartments, cars, dachas, appliances, food, all kinds of services, all this is of domestic production, spend money if necessary!
                      1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 21: 58 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        “You don’t understand. If that surplus money is poured into the budget, it will go to salaries, pensions, the assets of enterprises, and here you’re the inflation. There is a lot of money, but there is no OWN product.”

                        "A normal economy is the equality of the amount of money and goods of our own production. We supply raw materials."

                        I really do not understand, I do not see a direct correlation between production and export, for example, you can be a monopolist in the domestic market with a multi-billion dollar turnover and not export a single gram or piece of anything!
                        Plus, there are a lot of our own goods, apartments, cars, dachas, appliances, food, all kinds of services, all this is of domestic production, spend money if necessary!

                        Did I say somewhere that you don't need to spend on your goods? Just the opposite. Instead of a money-box, you need to invest the loot in your own production. Not in pensions, not in benefits, not in salaries. This is all expenditure, liabilities, but you need to develop assets. The economic crisis in Germany, in 30 years, Hitler won by laying roads. The road is the key to everything. To factories, mines, oil, exports, imports, transportation of people, to new places of work. Infrastructure, as they would say now. There were several attempts to declare amnesty for the exported capital. The treasures obtained by the loans-for-shares auctions were stolen and stored THERE. But the communist comrades, fanning their old slogans about expropriation, did not bring up the possibility of this in the minds of people. And wait for that legal position when the treasures acquire the LEGAL character of acquisition will not come soon. This is when they will be passed on to the heirs by will. These comrades did not steal, did not take them out illegally. They are clean before the law, and only then, perhaps, something will return. But for this they have to be SURE that the new Sharikovs .... In the meantime, they are buying superyachts for hundreds of millions. Football clubs abroad .... These are not punchy passbooks. It is not possible to take away this loot under any circumstances. Deposits in other people's banks MAY be taken away. It is necessary to justify well the criminal case about .... Property abroad can be taken away. But how to select a football club? Or a superyacht in international waters?
            2. MBRSS
              MBRSS 28 August 2020 02: 30 New
              +1
              The Soviet model of serfdom, enslaving more strongly than the peasant from the landowner. I quit my job - get out of the apartment.

              in my opinion, some kind of nonsense. My father quit his job and moved to another city. Nobody took the apartment (received from the plant, on the balance sheet of the plant) from the family! 1982 year.
        4. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 28 August 2020 08: 30 New
          -1
          Why art under communism?
        5. Jager
          Jager 28 August 2020 08: 57 New
          0
          Yes, the entire housing stock in the provinces is only Khrushchevs. And to this day, and they still stand until they fall apart ...
          1. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 29 August 2020 00: 25 New
            0
            the most daring are just those places where education is not bad - albeit pontoless, in a bad outfit, but very good teachers. And what would the country do without daring, it is not clear, all the asses have already been licked to the holes in the country.
        6. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 28 August 2020 18: 54 New
          +1
          Boilers during the war, millions of prisoners with his active participation?
        7. Andrey.AN
          Andrey.AN 28 August 2020 23: 44 New
          0
          Would you prefer the architectural charms of an activist who, in his activity, by all the most vile ways, removes from his path all who consider themselves equal among equals, and that everything should be fair, to your grandfather's apartment, who are you after that?
        8. Andrey.AN
          Andrey.AN 29 August 2020 00: 08 New
          -1
          I probably, unlike you, grew up equal among equals, even the most beloved and strong authorities were equal to us, even if ten times stronger, they were not shy pedophiles who sensed freedom in kindergarten, just guys whose achievement and luck we wanted repeat. You know, from those born free and raised like that, slaves cannot be made, only a problem. And another fact is that free people grew up in Khrushchevs.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 August 2020 16: 00 New
        -2
        Quote: Livonetc
        Don't repeat this dubious nickname

        "The plane flies belly up
        and in it Khrushchev flies with corn "
        tongue
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 27 August 2020 16: 09 New
        +8
        Quote: Livonetc
        It was invented by competitors to discredit Khrushchev

        Everything is very controversial ... BUT, Stalin had a program of construction, development, modernization, and so on! And the rise in living standards, so simply the time has come and the economic conditions have become suitable ...
        In general, we do not know too much and we will never know !!!
        But the folk art of THAT TIME, most often, clearly corresponded to the situation !!!
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 August 2020 08: 10 New
          +1
          Well, if you take into account the folk art of supporters of Dudy or Lyosha Navalny, Putin's Russia, this is a gloomy totalitarian gulag, where there is nothing good and in general it's time to blame, folk art is a controversial criterion of truth.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 August 2020 08: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Well, if you take into account the folk art of supporters of Dudy or Lyosha Navalny,

            Are you seriously? Is this FOLK art?
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 August 2020 18: 35 New
              +1
              Of course, seriously, because they consider themselves the voice of the people and the conscience of the nation, no less hi
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 August 2020 19: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Of course, seriously, because they consider themselves the voice of the people and the conscience of the nation, no less hi

                To their right now, the PEOPLE simply do not notice about them, there is no time for him, there are other worries, to be distracted by every rag-tag, pf-e.
      4. Thrifty
        Thrifty 27 August 2020 16: 15 New
        +7
        Livonian-Khrushchello deserved 5 executions for Novocherkask!
      5. Piramidon
        Piramidon 27 August 2020 16: 48 New
        10
        Quote: Livonetc
        It was invented by competitors to discredit Khrushchev.

        Nikita should have been hanged just for what he did to the memory of Stalin. This petty dirty trick and intriguer, vulgarized the entire history of the Great Patriotic War. He is an ordinary cloven-hoofed animal with horns and a beard, for the name of which they are banned here.
      6. Yuriy71
        Yuriy71 27 August 2020 17: 22 New
        10
        In addition, under Khrushchev, Ukrainian Banderites were practically rehabilitated and released from the camps! They were given the right to occupy leadership positions! Many of them became heads of collective farms, state farms, other structures, teachers !!! This is how the bomb was planted under the USSR, and the Bandera movement began to spread !!! And you here are singing praises to him! By the way, under Khrushchev, the Crimea was transferred to Ukraine and a lot more, which has been done, which we still reap and disentangle !!!
      7. yehat2
        yehat2 27 August 2020 17: 24 New
        +4
        do not repeat stupid and incorrect propaganda.
        under Khrushchev, reforms led to a severe crisis and deficit - he was forced to turn back.
      8. kyznets
        kyznets 28 August 2020 02: 40 New
        +3
        And under Khrushchev, they began to help the national liberation movements. Distribute territories that belonged to Russia. Abolished or weakened the responsibility of the party and economic apparatus. A ban was introduced on the control of party organs by the MGB-KGB. We switched to extensive methods in agriculture. Canceled the state (Stalinist) program of landscaping the country - the fight against wind and water erosion of soil. We introduced the priority of quantity over quality. Destroyed thousands of Orthodox churches that Stalin returned during the war. His repressions against the Orthodox are compared with the post-revolutionary ones. Cut ships and planes, cut design bureaus. Changed the system of planning the national economy (priority of quantity over quality). And the way he banged his boot on the UN rostrum during his speech still resonates with us. Neither a business executive, nor a politician, nor a literate (I'm not talking about the ability to read and write). Neither send in the field, nor leave at home.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 28 August 2020 10: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: kyznets
          And under Khrushchev, they began to help the national liberation movements. Distribute territories that belonged to Russia.

          Distribution of territories that belonged to Russia began under Lenin. In the same area, but on a large scale.
          Quote: kyznets
          Cut ships and planes, cut design bureaus.

          He cut ships and planes of projects of the 30s and 40s, which by the 60s were already outdated: purely artillery ships and aircraft with "cast iron" and cannons.
          At the same time, under Khrushchev, aircraft and ships with missile weapons were calmly developed and built. And often on the old base - you can recall the same Tu-95, which mutated from a pure bomber into a CD carrier.
          That is, those projects that considered an aircraft / ship as part of a missile system (carrier) were quietly developed and built under Khrushchev.
          Among the ships of the Khrushchev era, one can recall the first gas-turbine BOD pr. 61, RKR pr. 58, EM pr. 56-M and 57-bis. Of the aircraft - the legendary MiG-21, MiG-25, Su-15, the milestone for our Air Force Su-7B, Tu-128, AWACS Tu-126.
      9. Alanart
        Alanart 30 August 2020 22: 58 New
        0
        Yeah, and unsecured emission to plug holes in the budget. For reference, back in 1944, a year before the end of the war (although, it would seem), the budget was drawn up without a deficit and the payment of the accumulated debt to the State Bank began to liquidate the unsecured money supply.
        Stupid not stupid, but pushed the economy onto a slippery slope, destroying all the achievements of Stalin.
    2. Invoce
      Invoce 27 August 2020 15: 41 New
      13
      Quote: Al_lexx
      One of the few right things a dumb corn man does.

      And this despite the fact that Kukuruznik reduced aviation at times, how did Serdyukov stop enrollment in military schools? And there was no carrier rocket with a carrying capacity of 27 tons in the USSR!
      Nikita was a narrow-minded collective farmer
      1. Valerikk
        Valerikk 27 August 2020 16: 53 New
        +7
        Quote: Invoce
        Nikita was a narrow-minded collective farmer

        There is no need to offend the collective farmers. Many "Garadskim" are far from them.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 27 August 2020 17: 29 New
          +7
          Nikita has NEVER been a collective farmer, but he has never been a city dweller.
          Outside of Stalin or Lenin, he never worked on himself and all his life remained a cunning, but illiterate and stupid peasant with a philistine bias and, due to his extremely weak outlook, made a bunch of mistakes when he was driving.
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 27 August 2020 15: 49 New
      +8
      In South America, they drew attention to the footage of the nuclear explosion "Tsar Bomba" declassified by the Russian Federation

      And in Poland they did not pay attention to the declassified footage of a nuclear explosion? But in vain, in the light of the current events this may be very important for them.
    4. Coconut
      Coconut 27 August 2020 16: 15 New
      +3
      Stalin was top-ranked, and the corn-grower, as he was a stupid collective farmer, remained ...
      1. Alanart
        Alanart 30 August 2020 23: 08 New
        0
        Stalin worked on himself all his life, self-education. His level of knowledge in technical areas was noted by everyone who communicated with him. He just didn't 'shine' with it. It was even believed that he did not speak English. And, here, Roosevelt's son writes: "He knew English, he understood English perfectly, but he didn't show it ... Stalin listened attentively to everything that Churchill and my father said at these meetings, then he waited for the translation and thus won time, excellent knowing what was said. He had the advantage over both, but he never gave himself away ... "
    5. Ravik
      Ravik 27 August 2020 18: 34 New
      +5
      Would be "stupid" would not have become General Secretary.
      Khrushchev is a child of his time - his hands are covered in blood.
      But his bluff - "We have missiles like sausages on an assembly line" - saved the country from a nuclear attack.
  2. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 27 August 2020 15: 39 New
    -10
    Sorry for the dead bears. Since then, the climate has begun to change.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 27 August 2020 16: 01 New
      0
      Quote: seregatara1969
      Sorry for dead bears

      And how many birds went blind and died ...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 27 August 2020 18: 34 New
        -1
        And how many mosquitoes have evaporated!
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 27 August 2020 16: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: seregatara1969
      Since then, the climate has begun to change.

      What are you talking about!?!

      that Kukuruznik has cut aviation at times

      Yes, and then there was Rimon-20
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 August 2020 15: 43 New
    +1
    It was POWERFUL. The PAROVOZ, which carries this miracle Yudo to the airfield, looks especially contrasting. And the devices are electromechanical timers.
  4. Split
    Split 27 August 2020 15: 45 New
    +1
    And what was declassified? In my opinion, this video was lying on the dull years earlier. Of course not this, but many shots have long been familiar to everyone. Unless the flight of the bomber itself is unique in this sense. The explosion itself is known and seen by everyone.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 27 August 2020 17: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Split
      And what was declassified? In my opinion, this video was lying on the dull years earlier. Of course not this, but many of the shots have long been familiar to everyone.

      Maybe you mean footage of an underground explosion, which was carried out in 1973 in the Perm region as part of the Taiga project with the aim of turning the northern rivers back? That video has been on YouTube for a long time, and this is the first time I've seen it. By the way, I then lived 35 km from the place of the explosion and I remember how our village was shaken. It is good that the project was curtailed without bringing it to completion, otherwise we would have received r / contamination from the Kolva River (along the Kama, Volga) and to the Caspian Sea.
      1. DominickS
        DominickS 27 August 2020 17: 33 New
        +2
        No, he's right. One of the videos, with footage of tests, has been on YouTube for eight years. Maybe they just published the full version now.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 27 August 2020 17: 36 New
          0
          Quote: DominickS
          Maybe they just published the full version now.

          Maybe. I will not argue hi
      2. Split
        Split 27 August 2020 17: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Maybe. I will not argue
        I do not underestimate where you lived, but you have not fully read what the topic is about
  5. bukhach
    bukhach 27 August 2020 15: 48 New
    +3
    The restraining factor is, of course, good, it is bad that it is so deadly that it once again speaks of human imperfection. After all, it is not a sense of responsibility, not high morality, but only the fear of one's own death that prevents a catastrophe from breaking out, and where is "homo sapiens" there in Latin.
  6. shinobi
    shinobi 27 August 2020 16: 03 New
    +7
    At the expense of absurdity, they are wrong. This test tested the very concept of creating ammunition of "unbounded power." Then there was a concept that detonating an ammunition of 400 megatons at a depth of 1 km could start a thermonuclear chain reaction of hydrogen in the world's oceans. And the ball would blow into dust. surface, break through the earth's crust and move the ball out of orbit. Such lovely questions were then circulating in the minds of some "scientists". Initially, Sakharov's Ply in the AN602 product was made under an output power of 100-150 mgt. But at the last moment they decided to replace the uranium tamper shell on lead. There is a legend that they were afraid to "ignite" the atmosphere of the earth. But this is nonsense. It's just that the test site turned out to be too small. This is clearly seen in the film.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 27 August 2020 17: 05 New
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      It's just that the testing range turned out to be too small, which is clearly seen in the film.

      So.
      At the last moment, it was argued that the planet would lose its atmosphere or break the earth's crust. Although, not only calculations for 100mgt, but in fact the entire structure has already been worked out on mock-ups and is ready for production and real tests.
      As shown by this experiment, we settled down very on time.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 27 August 2020 17: 42 New
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      Initially, Sakharov's Puff in the AN602 product was made for an output power of 100-150 mgt

      AN602 was not "puff". Its design is still classified, but most likely it is something similar to Teller-Ulam's "nut".
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 27 August 2020 17: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      At the expense of absurdity, they are wrong. This test tested the very concept of creating ammunition of "unbounded power." Then there was a concept that detonating an ammunition of 400 megatons at a depth of 1 km could start a thermonuclear chain reaction of hydrogen in the world's oceans. And the ball would blow into dust. surface, break through the earth's crust and move the ball out of orbit. Such lovely questions were then circulating in the minds of some "scientists". Initially, Sakharov's Ply in the AN602 product was made under an output power of 100-150 mgt. But at the last moment they decided to replace the uranium tamper shell on lead. There is a legend that they were afraid to "ignite" the atmosphere of the earth. But this is nonsense. It's just that the test site turned out to be too small. This is clearly seen in the film.

      They refused, it seems, due to the fact that they did not want a strong contamination of the polygon with fission products.
      It's amazing how 400 mt can move the Earth out of orbit, how, in general, breaking through the earth's crust is interconnected with the orbit, nonsense
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 28 August 2020 02: 14 New
        0
        It’s not a question for me, what I’ve bought, for what I’m selling.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 27 August 2020 16: 03 New
    -3
    And sho, such a reminder is very timely ... otherwise they write, all sorts of different ones, that as soon as, right away, they will bombard Russia with bombs ... they threaten, promise ajnak 400 kilotons !!!
    Here's a reminder like this, very handy!
  8. KCA
    KCA 27 August 2020 16: 25 New
    +4
    Having retired 79 km, the plane was not at all safe, at first it was caught up by light radiation, due to which the temperature in the cabin and on the hull exceeded a critical level, and then, although at the end, the shock wave, the carcass climbed out by a miracle
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 27 August 2020 17: 08 New
      0
      Quote: KCA
      the carcass got out by a miracle

      I read somewhere that from heat stroke, the plane miraculously did not crumble in the air. When he landed, the skin could be pierced with a finger, crumbled.
  9. askort154
    askort154 27 August 2020 16: 26 New
    0
    What a video !!! We need to play it in the State Department and Brussels, in the NATO headquarters, and in the toilet - to Stoltenberg!
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  11. Fitter65
    Fitter65 27 August 2020 16: 58 New
    +1
    And all this automation worked practically on mechanics and simple analog devices on simple relays !!!!!! hi hi hi good
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 27 August 2020 17: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Fitter65
      And all this automation worked practically on mechanics and simple analog devices on simple relays !!!!!!

      Half of this mechanics (timers, gyroscopes, etc.) was done at the first Moscow watch factory, where my grandfather was the second person in the leadership.
      1. Alexandr Sharapov
        Alexandr Sharapov 27 August 2020 17: 35 New
        0
        And here is the movie already shown about "Kuzkina - mother"
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=nbC7BxXtOlo&feature=emb_logo
      2. iouris
        iouris 27 August 2020 17: 55 New
        0
        That is why Soviet watches (assembled from rejected parts) were highly valued.
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 28 August 2020 00: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Al_lexx

        Half of this mechanics (timers, gyroscopes, etc.) were made at the Moscow first watch factory,

        Yes, from the height of the development of current electronics and instrument making, all this already looks like an archaic. Although for its time it was wow ...
    2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 27 August 2020 21: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Fitter65
      And all this automation worked practically on mechanics and simple analog devices on simple relays !!!!!! hi hi hi good

      That's it. As a designer with a very good experience, I responsibly declare A complex product is easy to design. But the simple is incredibly difficult.
      I will prove it in three sentences.
      It is known that there are about 2 thousand parts in a modern car. Any even slightly competent engineer will be able to design a new car from 2 thousand parts. But the most outstanding genius will not be able to make a modern car from 200 parts.
      Having the richest nomenclature of all kinds of elements, working is a fairy tale, how interesting it is. You can do absolutely everything! Try to make from the bricks that were available then ...
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 28 August 2020 00: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        Try to make from the bricks that were available then ...

        That's what I'm talking about.
  12. iouris
    iouris 27 August 2020 17: 53 New
    +1
    Argentines teach Russians! I will tell everyone what this fool MC brought the planet to ...
    This can be stopped: it is necessary to demonstrate to generations X, Z and "Pepsi" the explosion of a Russian hydrogen bomb on a Russian uninhabited island. And invite the Argentinean to take selfies. Will they come?
  13. Operator
    Operator 27 August 2020 20: 06 New
    0
    Argentine technocretins did not pay attention to the main thing - the most powerful thermonuclear bomb in the history of mankind was also the cleanest in terms of the amount of radioactive fallout.

    The Tsar Bomba in a two-stage version produced 58 Mtn of power, in a three-stage dirty version with a shell of uranium 238 (instead of lead), the design power of the Tsar Bomb was supposed to be at least 100 Mtn.

    Modern technologies allow to reduce the weight of 100-Mtn warhead "Poseidon" / monoblock "Sarmat" to 10 tons.
    1. iouris
      iouris 27 August 2020 20: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Operator
      Modern technologies allow to reduce the weight of 100-Mtn warhead "Poseidon" / monoblock "Sarmat" to 10 tons.

      I want confirmation that it works. Especially because the bomb is "clean". Environmentalists will not mind. Let the shockwave hit Argentina. Enough.
      1. Operator
        Operator 27 August 2020 21: 52 New
        +1
        The neutron flux from the second stage of fusion burns out the remains of plutonium from the first stage of fission - that's all (the utilization rate of plutonium in low-power single-stage nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was about 3%).

        The main thing is that the epicenter of the explosion is at an altitude of at least 1,5 km above the ground (the distance of the neutrons in the air) - so that there is no induced radiation in the ground. This type of application is typical for charges with a capacity of 1 Mt and above, which at the turn of one and a half kilometers retains high pressure in the shock front.

        Due to the afterburning effect (not counting the contribution of the process of improving the design of thermonuclear charges), high power output is achieved in high-power thermonuclear charges - from 5,8 Ktn / kg for two-stage charges to 11 Ktn / kg for three-stage ones - the latter also utilize that part of the flow neutrons, which diverges from the center of the charge and transmutes uranium 238 to uranium 235 in the shell of the charge (but the charge becomes dirty due to fragments from the fission of uranium 235 nuclei).
  14. Polymer
    Polymer 27 August 2020 21: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    By the way, the same is being done now. Money is withdrawn from circulation and piled up in staggers on stabilization funds. For money on hand, for which nothing can be bought, accelerates inflation, devaluing it to zero.

    So now it seems that there is no shortage and the "buy nothing" situation does not fit the present time? And the money is still seized ... Here you also need to take into account at what specific moment they are seized - obviously not when the money is on hand, for example, from the Rottenbergs.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 27 August 2020 21: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Polymer
      Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      By the way, the same is being done now. Money is withdrawn from circulation and piled up in staggers on stabilization funds. For money on hand, for which nothing can be bought, accelerates inflation, devaluing it to zero.

      So now it seems that there is no shortage and the "buy nothing" situation does not fit the present time? And the money is still seized ... Here you also need to take into account at what specific moment they are seized - obviously not when the money is on hand, for example, from the Rottenbergs.

      The situation THEN and NOW is different. And the regulatory tool is the same. Look: BAM was built. It cost a trillion, those Brezhnev rubles. They are accustomed to, receiving up to 200 rubles a month.
      According to those economic standards, salaries were paid for the entire time, about 200 billion. (20%, including northern and other allowances). What could those 200 million buy? You can't buy a box of matches - it just WASN'T MAKED. And this was not only with BAM. The surplus money had to be withdrawn in order not to excite the people. The purchasing power is colossal, but there is no product. What is this effect as determined by economics textbooks? When the mass of money greatly exceeds the mass of the goods? Well, answer. INFLATION. With prices set by the state.
      The situation is now. There are no goods produced by their own factories. The money goes to the budget from the sale of raw materials, energy, fertilizers. A couple of tens of millions are involved in the production process, and everything is eaten, 150 million. in order not to stir up inflation and not send the loot to the accounts of foreign producers, the surplus is dumped into the stabilization fund. Inflation is again extinguished by the lack of money from the population. Remember when we were all millionaires? Nobody needs cheap money. The economy works on the principle of dash-na-give. BARTER. exchange of goods for goods, when transactions are past taxes, budget. THEN surplus money was transferred to paper-bonds, now to stabilization funds, to enemies. And, at the same time, terrible punishments promise the rich, transferring money abroad, but not noticing that they are doing the same thing as their native country.
      1. Polymer
        Polymer 28 August 2020 05: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        The situation THEN and NOW is different

        So I am about the same. In the conditions of state ownership of the means of production, inflation is a controlled process, and in the USSR it practically did not exist. But not thanks to the "seizure of money" ... by the way, but in what way do you think they were seized? Did you just come and pick up?
        Now, in conditions of private ownership of the means of production, inflation is a tool for the withdrawal of material values ​​and resources from the population. The mechanism is simple and mastered for a long time. The printing press turns on, an additional mass of money is obtained, which goes to ... to whom? Here is the one to whom this money gets first - he has the greatest profit. Since it acquires material values ​​and other resources (for example, labor) at old prices, which have not yet been raised by inflation. The second and third stages will have some benefit, but less. In the meantime, the new money will go down, plus and minus will already change - but that's all designed for.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 09: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Polymer
          Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          The situation THEN and NOW is different

          So I am about the same. In the conditions of state ownership of the means of production, inflation is a controlled process, and in the USSR it practically did not exist. But not thanks to the "seizure of money" ... by the way, but in what way do you think they were seized? Did you just come and pick up?
          Now, in conditions of private ownership of the means of production, inflation is a tool for the withdrawal of material values ​​and resources from the population. The mechanism is simple and mastered for a long time. The printing press turns on, an additional mass of money is obtained, which goes to ... to whom? Here is the one to whom this money gets first - he has the greatest profit. Since it acquires material values ​​and other resources (for example, labor) at old prices, which have not yet been raised by inflation. The second and third stages will have some benefit, but less. In the meantime, the new money will go down, plus and minus will already change - but that's all designed for.

          You are deeply mistaken. In a competitive market, the very mode of production is the regulator. If it is profitable, say, to breed crocodiles, then hundreds of farms will immediately be organized, and the mass of goods will reduce the unit price. This is the law of the market. Further. The state, which DOESN'T DO crocodile breeding, and this is an indispensable condition, but STEERING this process, of course, will establish such tax laws. which will not allow to rob the people, through excessively high rates of extortion. Why do you think Bill Gates gave $ 9 billion to charity? Is he such a philanthropist? Of course not. He dumped colossal profits where they are tax-free. And he lowered the level of the remainder to the point that taxes became meager. Don't you know that manufacturing in the USA keeps the OWN profit at a level not exceeding 5% per year? And the most profitable business there is the gaming business. 7% per year. But it can only work in limited areas of the country.
          Swedish industrialists pay taxes up to 75% per year. We are 13%. Thus, inflation is extinguished THERE by taxes and competition. We have a lack of money in the economy. How to have low taxes THERE? Have low profitability and margins. What do you need to do for this? - Have low prices for manufactured goods or high wages for workers. Or buy expensive raw materials.
          1. Polymer
            Polymer 28 August 2020 09: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            You are deeply mistaken. In a competitive market, the very mode of production is the regulator. If it is profitable, say, to breed crocodiles, then hundreds of farms will immediately be organized, and the mass of goods will reduce the unit price. This is the law of the market.

            No, you are deeply mistaken. We saw these "laws of the market", and now we continue to observe. There is a bribe, there is a kickback - and completely uncompetitive goods are sold with a bang. And to cut the state budget - the favorite pastime of "businessmen". Is it profitable? Here the "dog rummaged"! Why did Soviet enterprises go bankrupt after privatization and were sold for scrap? Because to get less money, but today, it was profitablethan more, but after 5-6 years of hard work. And no one thought about the country, "every man for himself." So yes - we learned the destructive power of the market in full, but with the creative one it is somehow problematic ...
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 10: 54 New
              -1
              Quote: Polymer
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              You are deeply mistaken. In a competitive market, the very mode of production is the regulator. If it is profitable, say, to breed crocodiles, then hundreds of farms will immediately be organized, and the mass of goods will reduce the unit price. This is the law of the market.

              No, you are deeply mistaken. We saw these "laws of the market", and now we continue to observe. There is a bribe, there is a kickback - and completely uncompetitive goods are sold with a bang. And to cut the state budget - the favorite pastime of "businessmen". Is it profitable? Here the "dog rummaged"! Why did Soviet enterprises go bankrupt after privatization and were sold for scrap? Because to get less money, but today, it was profitablethan more, but after 5-6 years of hard work. And no one thought about the country, "every man for himself." So yes - we learned the destructive power of the market in full, but with the creative one it is somehow problematic ...

              To judge something, you need to be aware of it.
              You judge the bad without realizing that you have not seen the good. that is, you compare the bad with the very bad. Exactly what we now have. It was disgusting - the command system of management of everything and everyone, driven into a dead end one of the best countries in the world - Russia, with what you consider to be capitalist, market Russia. This is not a market. This is a bazaar in its worst form. As the monopoly of the state mutilated the economy, the souls of people, in the same way it cripples the modern economy and the souls of modern people. You can steal from another. Mother, father, son, brother, neighbor. You can't steal from yourself. The more property in the state will be its own (private), the less common fund will be, called the budget, from which everything is drawn - both in the USSR, and in modern Russia, and in theirs. Is always. Without saying a word, amicably, and organizing all their talents in this matter. Because. that you kick the kidnapper for your stolen bike, for your stolen million you will kill him to hell, but for the stolen billion from the budget, you will envy the lucky one. And stand by your side, waiting for your luck.
              There are many dislocations everywhere. And there too. But if our budget is 100% of the dough circulating in the state, and THERE is only 20%, the rest is in private hands, then where can you tear more, more actively, and without meeting a competitor on your way? Of course, where there is more common fund.
              Forgot information about how a billion was squeezed out of the Pension Fund? And where is he? For such a loot, you will make a goat's face to anyone. If it touches you. Or our fellow Moldovans. Of the 2 billion GDP, the country has taken away one. Not bad?
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 28 August 2020 13: 13 New
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                Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                but for the stolen billion from the budget, you will envy the lucky one. And stand by your side, waiting for your luck.

                There is no need to judge people, especially strangers, by yourself.
                Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                It was disgusting - the command system of management of everything and everyone, driving one of the best countries in the world to a dead end - Russia

                It is now a disgusting system, a cult of consumerism. And it was capitalism that drove Russia into a dead end. The situation with the USSR was different.
            2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 11: 19 New
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              Quote: Polymer
              There is a bribe, there is a kickback - and completely uncompetitive goods are sold with a bang. And to cut the state budget - the favorite pastime of "businessmen". Is it profitable? Here the "dog rummaged"! Why did Soviet enterprises go bankrupt after privatization and were sold for scrap?

              An interesting misconception. For a bribe to buy shoddy quality goods. Will you buy a non-working computer for a bribe? Of course, buy if the bribe will exceed the price of this normal computer. But who will give you such a bribe?
              Why did Soviet enterprises go bankrupt after privatization? The answer is simple - they were not in any comparison with the enterprises operating TAM. The Soviet economy, completely closed, without the exchange of goods with the West, without the exchange of information, technologies, and, which is ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT, working on raw materials, energy with bargain prices (gas cost 4 kopecks per cubic meter, kilowatt-hour and even less, a liter of gasoline is cheaper than soda, ton of steel sheet 7 rubles) ... Did they take care, did they make technologies lean? Is the quality of a Soviet-made TV comparable to foreign ones of that time? Machine tools, equipment, cars, but what am I listing, EVERYTHING! This is what we did under the cover of impenetrable borders. For yourself. Lagging behind in every sense every year further and further. And now the borders have collapsed. And we, with our own gas in 4 kopecks, almost free electricity, steel sheets, which were dragged abroad by speculators for REAL MONEY .... its cost is much lower. than this Horizon. And who needs this plant, which does not know how to do anything? Of course he stopped and, of course, he was taken away. Isn't it clear?
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 28 August 2020 12: 40 New
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                For a bribe to buy goods of shoddy quality. Will you buy a non-working computer for a bribe?

                I - no, I will not buy. But the supplier, for a rollback, not for himself personally, but for the enterprise - will buy. For a non-working one, of course, they will quickly take for a soft spot, but low quality is easy. And this is not a delusion, but quite a reality that I periodically observe.
                As for Soviet enterprises, there is no need to try to convince me of something either - I saw everything myself. How and what was done before, during, and after. And the plant's products were sold, even for export. India took with pleasure.
        2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 11: 38 New
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          Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          The situation THEN and NOW is different

          So I am about the same. In the conditions of state ownership of the means of production, inflation is a controlled process, and in the USSR it practically did not exist. But not thanks to the "seizure of money" ... by the way, but in what way do you think they were seized? Did you just come and pick up?
          Now, in conditions of private ownership of the means of production, inflation is a tool for the withdrawal of material values ​​and resources from the population. The mechanism is simple and mastered for a long time. The printing press turns on, an additional mass of money is obtained, which goes to ... to whom? Here is the one to whom this money gets first - he has the greatest profit. Since it acquires material values ​​and other resources (for example, labor) at old prices, which have not yet been raised by inflation. The second and third stages will have some benefit, but less. In the meantime, the new money will go down, plus and minus will already change - but that's all designed for.

          It is very easy to withdraw money from the people. The final buyer of everything is people. Not factories, not factories, not banks. People. And, therefore, you need to take money from them. How? Just. Make the tax system so that the main amount of tax is calculated from the wages fund. As simple as that, an inspector came, he had a salary rationale. There are thousands of signatures - "received" AND TOTAL. amount. the calculator, plus - multiplied - divided, received the BASE tax from the enterprise. What will an employer do to avoid paying a lot? Right. Will cut staff and cut wages. Further. Not all. Admire:

          What do you see? The structure of fuel price formation. What is the level of income of participants in the production of goods and what is the share of the state taking away from the buyer his earned? Why run after millions of workers, with money, take away from everyone, when you can impose a tribute of two or three dozen STATE MONOPOLISTS with such a rent, and everything, through their capabilities, through the hands of employers, you can take trillions into the budget. And there, filter out as much as the Ministry of Finance considers necessary and transfer the surplus to America's tanks, to stabilization funds at 2% per annum. You can make inflation zero at all. Having taken more there, depriving buyers of anything at all to buy. Suddenly (dream) they gave everyone everything that they earned. Already, after all, we were millionaires. Were you rich? Inflation has devoured all our millions without giving anything in return.
          Are you crazy, believing that inflation is a method of withdrawing money from the population. What to collect - tons of garbage, or kilograms of gold? Galloping inflation is keeping the economy from working. Nobody needs money getting cheaper. Again barter, trade in goods bypassing monetary transactions, without tax, without a budget. How to support pensioners (38 million), the military, the police, schools, medicine? ..... What fool would invest today something worthwhile in the construction of a plant? He will take them away, still standing abroad today, and exchange them for dollars. You don't need to have a mind to assert that. Banks always give loans with interest rates higher than inflation. Will you take out a loan for 60% per month?
          1. Polymer
            Polymer 28 August 2020 12: 46 New
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            Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            What idiot would invest something worthwhile in the construction of a plant today? He will take them away, still standing abroad today, and exchange them for dollars.

            But this is what happens! Is this the "law of the market"?
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 13: 08 New
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              Quote: Polymer
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              What idiot would invest something worthwhile in the construction of a plant today? He will take them away, still standing abroad today, and exchange them for dollars.

              But this is what happens! Is this the "law of the market"?

              Yeah, where do you see the hell market? The market is when there are lines of sellers. And you, beloved by all of them, go and choose what suits you. Either cheaper or better. When not buyers, but sellers compete. Do not you understand, perhaps, that the abundance of shops we have now is not a market yet. If the country is working only with five network structures, and thousands of shops take goods only there, "competing" with each other, only because they have slightly different rental conditions. Copecks. But not the quality of the product. And if you choose between Volvo and Suzuki, you have NO market. THE MARKET IS WITH THEM, not yours. You pay their producers to their budgets. Washing out minerals from their own country.
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 28 August 2020 13: 20 New
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                Yeah, where do you see the hell market?

                So now we don't have a market economy? Which one?
                I will disappoint you: what is now is the market. And he is just that - dirty, criminal, shameless. And that ideal market that is in your head is the same utopia as the universal paradise on Earth.
                1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 13: 38 New
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                  Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  Yeah, where do you see the hell market?

                  So now we don't have a market economy? Which one?
                  I will disappoint you: what is now is the market. And he is just that - dirty, criminal, shameless. And that ideal market that is in your head is the same utopia as the universal paradise on Earth.

                  We now have a state barbarian bazaar. There is NOTHING ideal. Everything is perverted to some extent. And you need to measure yourself not by ideals, but by the degree of perversion. Choosing not the best among the good, but the best that is possible.
          2. Polymer
            Polymer 28 August 2020 12: 47 New
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            Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            You are crazy

            Easy cornering.
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 13: 20 New
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              Quote: Polymer
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              You are crazy

              Easy cornering.

              That's it. Don't be bullshit. Start learning the basics.
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 28 August 2020 13: 24 New
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                You are talking nonsense. Have you read modern books on economics? Well, that's why they were created to cover the consciousness of people like you.
                1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 13: 35 New
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                  You are talking nonsense. Have you read modern books on economics? Well, that's why they were created to cover the consciousness of people like you.

                  I am glad that clever books have distorted my mind. This did not affect you in any way, and your brain, untouched by the teaching ...
                  Then why the hell are you here?
                  1. Polymer
                    Polymer 28 August 2020 13: 49 New
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                    I'm glad that smart books have distorted my mind

                    Of those who are "glad to be deceived"? Expected. With regard to "smart books" - do not flatter yourself.
                    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                    Then why the hell are you here?

                    Fortunately, this is not for you to decide.
                    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 28 August 2020 13: 54 New
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                      Quote: Polymer
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                      I'm glad that smart books have distorted my mind

                      Of those who are "glad to be deceived"? Expected. With regard to "smart books" - do not flatter yourself.
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                      Then why the hell are you here?

                      Fortunately, this is not for you to decide.

                      If you study, then you made the right choice. Here SOMETIMES there are interesting and correct statements.
                      I would be glad to be deceived about our current Russian existence. Something doesn't work out very well.
                      Confucius was right when he said that knowledge increases sorrow.
                      1. Polymer
                        Polymer 28 August 2020 14: 54 New
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                        I would be glad to be deceived about our current Russian existence. Something doesn't work out very well.

                        Come back to reality. Maybe all is not lost in your case.
  15. Yurahip
    Yurahip 27 August 2020 22: 38 New
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    And where did the film go, it was classified again, or something. Wherever you sunish horseradish with butter, they removed it.
    Maybe someone had time to swing, post a link!
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 28 August 2020 09: 09 New
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    what is this where did the video go? and, of course, the sharp-sighted eye of YouTube admins saw copyright infringement wassat
  17. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 28 August 2020 12: 04 New
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    Author You at least watch the video: the explosion is 45 km, not 79.
  18. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 28 August 2020 12: 07 New
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    Silly Argentines do not understand that this explosion prevented the 3 MB, which the United States planned.
  19. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 28 August 2020 15: 26 New
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    And it all started with a service video ..)))