Military Review

Auditors came to the state company. And they did not find government interest

92
Auditors came to the state company. And they did not find government interest

What we have, do not store



By its status, the main control body of the country, the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, is obliged to monitor exclusively how budget funds are spent. However, life regularly forces auditors to deal with both private business and financial flows that have nothing to do with the budget.

From the data of the last bulletin of the Accounts Chamber, we can conclude that in modern Russia the state has long become a subject of absolutely private entrepreneurship. This is by no means news... But this is despite the fact that the participation of the state in the economy is still considered by many to be excessive.

The IMF estimates the state's share in the Russian economy at 33%, Moody's at 40-45%. At the same time, the privatization plans, which are regularly renewed, despite crises and sanctions, invariably suggest reducing the number of companies with state participation. But if a few years ago it was about 15-20% annually, now it is only about 10%, but by no means because there is nothing to privatize.

The unified state property management system shows that there are 1025 joint-stock companies and 626 federal state-owned enterprises in Russia. But the state must be taken out of business, if only because its presence there becomes an excellent basis for corruption and abuse.

The liberals from the economy may be right when they insist that large-scale privatization is necessary in Russia. However, they do it with a tenacity clearly worthy of better use. Indeed, it can be concluded from such plans that in comparison with the new privatization, both vouchers and loans-for-shares auctions "from Chubais" may fade.

Twelve years ago, some experts, not without reason, thought that President Putin was leaving office for four years only to properly deal with property controlled by the government. Since then, enough time has passed to again deal with what is currently owned not only by the cabinet of ministers, but by the state as a whole.

No control, no accounting


The auditors of the RF Joint Venture began their report on how things are with state property in the economy by stating that the state does not represent what it actually has. The data of the Federal Property Management Agency, given above, strongly differ from the information provided by Rosstat, and the tax authorities, in turn, counted almost five times less joint-stock companies with state participation.

The Ministry of Economic Development and Trade reports practically only for the top ten largest joint-stock companies with state participation. In fact, they are the only ones who transfer dividends to the treasury, trying to conduct business in such a way that taxes are paid and social programs are implemented.

Fundamentally, experts from the Accounts Chamber could not fail to note that the state-owned companies in Russia are not too limited in funds, which makes the return on them quite high. The ability to work with large financial flows actually frees the hands of not only the top ten, but also those who follow it.

The result, generally positive, is noted in the report of the RF JV. Budget revenues from state-owned companies grew steadily throughout the entire audit period (2017-2019). Thus, revenues from joint stock companies increased by 75,7%, to 1 trillion. rubles. The federal state unitary enterprise gave only 19,5 billion rubles to the treasury, but this is 30,4% higher than the figures of four years ago.

It is characteristic that only twenty joint-stock companies with the participation of the state brought it the lion's share of the proceeds from dividends - 97%, but at the same time, the debt on the transfer of dividends also increased significantly. For three years, it has grown almost fourfold: from 192,5 million rubles to 718,2 million.

Nevertheless, as we can see, the leaders are doing more or less well. But the remaining 90% of companies with state participation, according to the specialists of the RF JV, just as safely stay in the "gray" zone. It has become almost the norm when such a business is actually taken offshore due to various combinations.

But at the same time, the remuneration of managers, including those appointed by the state, exceeds the salaries of employees, as a rule, dozens of times. But do not look for the truth about joint-stock companies and federal state unitary enterprises, about bonuses and bonuses, Kudrin's controllers say. However, they justly demand to disclose data on the income of top managers of these structures.

However, there are no proposals from the Accounts Chamber to return to the idea of ​​a complete liquidation of unitary enterprises that operate in competitive markets. This was planned to be done back in 2018, but something, apparently, got in the way.

It is possible that auditors, by virtue of their professional duties, cannot take into account the fact that the advantages that state-owned companies own, reducing real competition, hinder the development of promising markets. In this respect, the experience of development of such structures as Skolkovo or Rusnano, which found themselves in greenhouse conditions, but have not yet become the leaders of the notorious technological breakthrough, is too indicative.

The main shortcomings of the public sector, which were also noticed in the Accounts Chamber, are, in fact, the encouragement of corruption, opportunistic decisions, and the almost universal replacement of private funds with public funds. But even Peter the Great taught Russian merchants that "one ruble of the sovereign pulls three private ones".

Not thanks, but in spite of


Due to the crisis, increasing the efficiency of the public sector is now becoming a more urgent task than the desire to quickly transfer it to private rails. But this, according to the auditors of the RF JV, is greatly hindered by the heterogeneity of the public sector, the scatter among different departments.

State representatives have very different powers in numerous joint-stock companies and federal state unitary enterprises, which are sometimes assigned to someone by no means on a profile. For example, more than 100 agricultural enterprises are currently registered with the Ministry of Education and Science. If one or another FSUE is under the wing of the Federal Property Management Agency, then information about such enterprises in the budget reporting on financial investments, as a rule, is absent.

In conclusion, we note that the auditors of the RF JV are convinced: "... the number of FSUEs was reduced not so much due to privatization, but as a result of the merger and liquidation of enterprises or their transformation into budgetary and state institutions."

And in this regard, a tiny, but very important touch on a topic that is no less relevant today. We are talking about Mount Kushtau in Bashkiria, which seems to have been defended from the development of the Bashkir Soda Company (BSK) with a 38% state stake.

On Wednesday, the President of the country considered it necessary to personally intervene in the situation, expressing surprise at the merger, which led to the fact that 62 percent of BSC shares in the hands of the state were “surprisingly” diluted to 38. Agree, the key question lies on the surface.

And what did he do, where did he look and, in the end, how did the representative of the state on the board of Bashkirskaya Soda voted when this most wonderful "erosion" happened? With his 62 percent stake? However, the head of state also drew attention to this, instructing the prosecutor's office to figure out how legitimate the deal was, due to which the state lost control over the assets of the BSC.
Author:
Photos used:
pbs.twimg.com
92 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 28 August 2020 16: 04 New
    24
    In Russia, privatization will not give an economic breakthrough.
    In most cases, privatized enterprises, in fact, become the object of enhanced asset stripping and squeezing out the maximum of financial resources up to complete ruin.
    Let the already outstanding businessmen create new, innovative and super-efficient enterprises themselves.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 28 August 2020 18: 26 New
      +9
      I don’t believe anybody from the government anymore, they lied, they lie, and they will lie .. they- "having lied once ..." if the "tsar" is lying, then what can I say about the "entourage" ... Rotenbergs and Timchenkos, friends ...
    2. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 12: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      In most cases, privatized enterprises, in fact, become the object of enhanced asset stripping and squeezing out the maximum of financial resources up to complete ruin.

      That we have been observing for a decade, except for the military-industrial complex and the Cosmos!
      Only while in Belarus such giants as BelAZ, MAZ Bel Potassium and other Machines from the times of the USSR hold on! ..
      The campaign of the case for them will be the khan, what if the protestors won, what if joining Russia in the future (although there is a chance of preservation)!
      It’s a pity of course .. Capitalism damn it. Profit is above all, and the rest is dust
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 29 August 2020 19: 13 New
        -1
        Quote: Husit
        The campaign of the case for them will be the khan, what if the protestors won, what if joining Russia in the future (although there is a chance of preservation)!
        Where do these factories send their products? BelAZ - he may stay. Although they can order a quarry from us, on a multi-wheeled platform.
        MAZ? A competitor to KamAZ, with rocket carriers they did a lot, tractors are not sold especially. Resource workers remain.
        Quote: Husit
        Capitalism damn it
        Where did you see it? Clean politics.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 30 August 2020 10: 23 New
        0
        except for the military-industrial complex and space!
        If so!
        1. Husit
          Husit 30 August 2020 11: 16 New
          -1
          Quote: NordUral
          except for the military-industrial complex and space!
          If so!

          Well, the remark is correct, but nevertheless the state holds the reins of government there, etc.
          In the 90s, they tried to give these industries to private traders, but they almost did not remain without protection at all, such a collapse began there, everything was handed over and sold .. Thank God, we came to our senses in time, but we will be drinking for a long time and more than one generation
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 30 August 2020 18: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: Husit
            In the 90s they tried to give these industries to private traders

            And now we need to punish some representatives of the Federal Property Management Agency, tax authorities, Rosstat, and auditors of the Accounts Chamber. firing squad or real time. In order not to step on the same rake ... It is necessary to set tasks and punish for their failure
          2. Beregovic_1
            Beregovic_1 2 September 2020 14: 46 New
            +1
            Quite right, an example of the Zvezda plant, which makes diesel engines for ships .... Private traders ruined production. Or Almaz - Antey, where work on Polyment was disrupted due to a merger and a change in management. Private traders in light industry and agriculture ... And then all will be sold to all kinds of "Nestlé" and "Coca Colam".
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 28 August 2020 16: 05 New
    27
    The problem is that there is no responsibility at all in our state system. Or better to say, the inevitability of punishment.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 28 August 2020 16: 22 New
      20
      I will say from my many years of experience from the grassroots to the highest levels - the problem is that the government itself, having all the initial data for decision-making, is not only not ready to implement them, but is also fighting for exactly the opposite.
      And it is at this moment that the very principle of the inevitability of punishment is lost.
      And so, the authorities have ALL information about crimes in the field of business, especially in the public sector. It's just that it is absolutely not something that is ignored, but also suppressed (if I may say so).
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 28 August 2020 16: 29 New
        12
        The big problem is that a single, vertical control system has now been virtually destroyed. Moreover, now there is a line from above that external control is not needed at all, and everyone should carry out internal measures for self-control (the requirements of international standards, and we are dense and we ourselves do not know what is best for us). Chubais will check himself, yeah .... shchaaaz (a very exaggerated comparison, but understandable).
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 28 August 2020 16: 42 New
          +6
          and everyone should carry out internal measures for self-control (requirements of international standards, and we are dense and we ourselves do not know what is best for us). Chubais will check himself, yeah ... chaaaz

          So, does the state have no control bodies? Known for a long time, "Own hand-lord" Bardak.
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 28 August 2020 16: 44 New
            +8
            No, the bodies are above the roof. But they are scattered, narrowly focused and generally have no vertical structure.
            And departmental control has been almost completely killed.
            For example, in medicine, an ophthalmologist would be subordinate to his chief physician in St. Petersburg, an oncologist would be subordinate to the Ministry of Agriculture, and a surgeon would only have the right to look at medical cards, but would not have the right to perform operations.
            1. Alexga
              Alexga 28 August 2020 16: 49 New
              +5
              And departmental control has been almost completely killed.

              The crime!
              1. RUnnm
                RUnnm 28 August 2020 16: 56 New
                +6
                Well, how can I say .... who is a crime, and who is easier to "optimize" the people's property.
                1. Alexga
                  Alexga 28 August 2020 18: 37 New
                  +8
                  Well, in Belarus there is a body called the State Control Committee, which is both an auditor and a financial policeman. All that is missing is the raster wall. They do not take bribes, after the former head of the President's Security Council, who is also the deputy secretary of the Security Council, was given 12 years, there were no specialists at all after receiving bribes.
                  1. RUnnm
                    RUnnm 28 August 2020 19: 08 New
                    +6
                    We only have to dream of this
                    1. Alexga
                      Alexga 28 August 2020 19: 23 New
                      +5
                      Everything is simpler in Belarus, the private business was created from scratch. Of the rest, only trade was privatized, but by the workers of these facilities. And everything else is under the wing of the state. That is, there was no privatization of the economy in Belarus. This is all the questions about the economies of the Russian Federation and Belarus. By and large, it turns out that the USSR was dissolved in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, but the Belarusians kept it for themselves.
                      1. RUnnm
                        RUnnm 28 August 2020 19: 27 New
                        +3
                        And they did absolutely right. But the same refineries with which you happened to work are definitely not controlled by the state. At least when it comes to real power over financial flows
                      2. Alexga
                        Alexga 28 August 2020 19: 55 New
                        +1
                        NAFTAN (Novopolotsk) -99.8% State
                        Mozyr Oil Refinery - State Property Committee of the Republic of Belarus - 42,76% of shares;
                        OAO NGK Slavneft - 42,58% of shares;
                        LLC MNPZ Plus - 12,25% of shares;
                        Individuals - 2,41% of shares.
                        Something like this.
                      3. RUnnm
                        RUnnm 28 August 2020 19: 59 New
                        +2
                        That is why I wrote about the real situation. All supplies went through intermediate companies that your refineries provided)))
                      4. Alexga
                        Alexga 28 August 2020 21: 40 New
                        +2
                        My little brother was once the executive director of Surgutneftegaz, so I know these schemes.
                      5. RUnnm
                        RUnnm 28 August 2020 21: 57 New
                        +1
                        Maybe they even know him))))
                        I like Bogdanov, once he witnessed how he famously laid siege to Muscovites who came to ask for money for the election campaign))))
                        Apparently, your brother worked in the CIS daughter
                      6. Alexga
                        Alexga 28 August 2020 22: 23 New
                        +2
                        So I will say, at my house they called him Georges. He was the youngest among us.
                      7. Alexga
                        Alexga 28 August 2020 22: 29 New
                        +2
                        Look in PM.
  3. Just Alexander
    Just Alexander 28 August 2020 18: 34 New
    10
    My son had an acquaintance (they served in the same platoon). Years later, he always wandered somewhere in government agencies. He found himself in the presidential administration - there and then a new apartment, a car, and a summer house, but it was not that. Moved to the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation. Less than a year later, an apartment in the center of Moscow and a seven-room apartment! The car is already exclusive for tens of millions (thank God). And he changed his dacha in the Tver region to a dacha in Spain, he says that the plot is only half a hectare. He left his old wife, got a young busty one. Now he does not work in Russia, but his phrase "Counting is a topic" is still remembered.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 28 August 2020 19: 08 New
      +7
      Hmm ... no words. Well, what results are we expecting then ...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 30 August 2020 10: 26 New
        +1
        And you are an optimist, RUnnm, if you expect anything else good for the country and the people from these people.
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 30 August 2020 10: 31 New
          0
          Well, this is not a reason to give up. I just do everything in my power and try to teach the new generation that you have to do your job conscientiously. The fact that we are not working for the authorities that come and go, but for our country and our children. For your future. Consider this an investment in one of the millions of options for the development of events))))
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 30 August 2020 18: 35 New
    0
    Quote: AlexGa
    So, does the state have no control bodies? Known for a long time, "Own hand-lord" Bardak.

    you need to create a condition in order to develop. And with the existing financial system, it is more profitable to buy abroad, in China or elsewhere. Currency must be insanely expensive, that's the only way!
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 28 August 2020 16: 37 New
    10
    In fact, to establish real order in the country's economy, 50 auditors, 10 investigators and judges are needed. And in 3 years the country will not be recognized. But who would give it to be done in a normal way ...
    1. gsev
      gsev 28 August 2020 17: 39 New
      +9
      Quote: RUnnm
      to bring real order

      You just need to take advantage of the successful experience of the Bolsheviks and first nationalize banks and microloan offices.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 28 August 2020 18: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: gsev
        Quote: RUnnm
        to bring real order

        You just need to take advantage of the successful experience of the Bolsheviks and first nationalize banks and microloan offices.

        Uh ... you need to start with telegraphs (the Internet) and stations (traffic) as in 1917 ... well, and banks (not 3 liter)
        1. gsev
          gsev 29 August 2020 00: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: Dead Day
          you need to start with telegraphs (internet)

          If Russia intends to withstand the competition with the United States, then it will have to nationalize the banks. With regard to mail, you just need to cut the salaries of top managers and raise the salaries of ordinary postmen. I had a chance to conduct adjustment work in a state postal organization 8 years ago. In my opinion, then 99% of the workers there hated their bosses with fierce hatred and would have simply killed at the first opportunity.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 29 August 2020 19: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: gsev
            In my opinion, then 99% of the workers there hated their bosses with fierce hatred and would simply kill them at the first opportunity.
            In many companies this is the case. The wage gap is sometimes the wildest. And there would be a salary for qualifications and responsibility, and so ...
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 30 August 2020 10: 29 New
            0
            you will have to nationalize
            the whole country!
  • WIKI
    WIKI 28 August 2020 17: 04 New
    +4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The problem is that there is no responsibility at all in our state system. Or better to say, the inevitability of punishment.

    “In Russia there is no agency responsible for the country's achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which were adopted by the UN in 2015. After all, in addition to the lack of control over comprehensive implementation, no one is responsible for 25 percent of the SDG indicators - these are 58 goals out of 232. Among goals - the elimination of poverty, the preservation of the planet's resources, the provision of general prosperity. Earlier, the Accounts Chamber discovered massive violations in the implementation of the state program for the development of the North Caucasus Federal District. have not been stolen, then the efficiency of public administration should strive for ...
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 August 2020 18: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The problem is that there is no responsibility at all in our state system.

    What is the responsibility there? The problem is not even that:
    The IMF estimates the state's share in the Russian economy at 33%, Moody's at 40-45%

    but the fact that the Russian state for almost 30 years COULD sell more than half of everything that was created in the USSR, giving its officials the right to acquire and sell former people's property for next to nothing.
    The auditors of the RF Joint Venture began their report on how things are with state property in the economy by stating that the state does not represent what it actually has.

    Oh, how quickly they came to this conclusion ... And in our country, except for disadvantaged citizens, is anyone interested in accounting? Someone is fighting theft at the same OBKhSS level?
    On Wednesday, the President of the country considered it necessary to personally intervene in the situation

    For twenty years he turned a blind eye to how the clan of Russian oligarchs was getting rich, and on Wednesday he decided to intervene ... wassat Did you manage to put things in order by Friday? Otherwise, tomorrow is the weekend ...
  • Husit
    Husit 29 August 2020 12: 08 New
    -4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The problem is that there is no responsibility at all in our state system. Or better to say, the inevitability of punishment.

    The problem is that there is no planned economy .. Today so, tomorrow the ruble fell like this and so on .. it turns out every day! negative
  • NordUral
    NordUral 30 August 2020 10: 25 New
    -1
    The problem is that there is no responsibility at all in our state system. Or better to say, the inevitability of punishment.

    The problem is that we do not have a state, but an organized criminal group that has seized power in the country.
    1. Husit
      Husit 30 August 2020 11: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: NordUral
      The problem is that there is no responsibility at all in our state system. Or better to say, the inevitability of punishment.

      The problem is that we do not have a state, but an organized criminal group that has seized power in the country.

      And what do you propose if this is even so? Anyone can blame. And here is to offer something here "not enough" .. I suggest not to shatter Russia from the inside, it is dangerous to change horses at the crossing. The rebellion in Russia is usually bloody and merciless, which is what the West and other world sharks are trying to achieve in order to fish in the murky bloody water.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 12: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Husit
        , it is dangerous to change horses while crossing

        And if the horses pull in the other direction at the crossing, or are they mad?
        1. Husit
          Husit 30 August 2020 12: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Husit
          , it is dangerous to change horses while crossing

          And if the horses pull in the other direction at the crossing, or are they mad?

          Well, shoot them and go on foot fighting the current to the opposite bank .. Or do you propose to swim downstream and be glad that the horses were shot and shout Svobodaaaa!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 14: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Husit
            . Or you propose to go with the flow and be glad that the horses have been shot and shout Freedomaaa!

            No not like this. I propose to get rid of the mad horses (EP and GDP), because this team will drag us into the abyss. They have already proved their "effectiveness" many times, and it is foolish to expect anything else from them. Naturally, I am only for legal methods - elections and peaceful protests.
            Quote: Husit
            In Khabarovsk, Red Guber ????

            I was not talking about the governor, but about the symbolism of the protest. Watch YouTube - there are more red flags every Saturday. hi
            1. Husit
              Husit 30 August 2020 16: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              No not like this. I propose to get rid of the mad horses (EP and GDP), because this team will drag us into the abyss. They have already proved their "effectiveness" many times, and it is foolish to expect anything else from them.

              After the 90s, do you think so? And how we behave with the United States and other Europeans ... winked
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Naturally, I am only for legal methods - elections and peaceful protests.

              As in Belarus, Ukraine, Iraq, Libya, Syria. Or Yugoslavia?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I was not talking about the governor, but about the symbolism of the protest. Watch YouTube - there are more red flags every Saturday.

              Here on the site I look at many red flags, but in essence they are liberal .. Do you remember dulles? How to replace values ​​and faith in Russia ..?
              You are our protestor, .. fool
              If you protest, tell me where .. the riot police will stay like this (supposedly check the ammunition, etc.) And we will meet you as protestors face to face ..
              And we will "express" everything for you in the 90s .. WHEN YOU SHOOTED DOLLY and FREEDOM!
              Eh, my heart stabbed me from such impudence and double standards .. request
              PS I always voted for the Communist Party, but Zyuganov is still a scoundrel, he framed everyone, worse than Zhirinovsky ..
              I read for Ziu how he behaved in 93, etc. Skolsky and ssyklivy .. To drive him out of the party and the State Duma! Because of him, so in all Russia
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 16: 26 New
                +1
                Then what do you personally suggest, which way? The path of the Chinese proverb, when at the end should the corpse of the enemy swim? Russia degrades every year, both economically and demographically. It is a fact. And at the end of the wait that you recommend (in my opinion), the corpse of Russia will float.
                1. Husit
                  Husit 30 August 2020 17: 04 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Then what do you personally suggest, which way? The path of the Chinese proverb, when at the end should the corpse of the enemy swim? Russia degrades every year, both economically and demographically. It is a fact. And at the end of the wait that you recommend (in my opinion), the corpse of Russia will float.

                  Well, it's difficult with you .. So we are on opposite sides of the trenches! What is there to find out and prove? We will let each other get blood for your joy across the ocean .. hi
                  I have the honor! soldier
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 17: 07 New
                    0
                    Quote: Husit
                    Well, it's difficult with you ..

                    And you try. wink After all, I am trying to conduct a conversation with you from the point of view of facts. And they are such that without a revolution from below (change of power) Russia will face a long and painful death from the actions of its own authorities. Do not agree? Statistics to help. hi
                    P.S. So what is your vision of the country's development?
                    1. Husit
                      Husit 30 August 2020 17: 36 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: Husit
                      Well, it's difficult with you ..

                      And you try. wink After all, I am trying to conduct a conversation with you from the point of view of facts. And they are such that without a revolution from below (change of power) Russia will face a long and painful death from the actions of its own authorities. Do not agree? Statistics to help. hi
                      P.S. So what is your vision of the country's development?

                      It's useless to negotiate and prove something with you and Sudoplatov.
                      Rest bye! negative
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 18: 21 New
                      +1
                      In fact, nothing again ..... Accordingly, you are satisfied with the current government robbing and killing Russia. Here (on VO) there are ideological, believing in Putin's "cunning plan", and paid Prigogine trolls. What will you be from? wink
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 12: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Husit
      the west wants it

      The West is for revolutions on the borders with Russia, but against it inside. For she will be under the red flag. See Khabarovsk.
      1. Husit
        Husit 30 August 2020 12: 46 New
        -1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Husit
        the west wants it

        The West is for revolutions on the borders with Russia, but against it inside. For she will be under the red flag. See Khabarovsk.

        In Khabarovsk, Red Guber ???? Yes, he is a BANDIT, and look who the administrative resource was connected for him, the same Zhirinovsky! Already refused Furgal, sensing that he could be hooked ... They put the bathhouse attendant, at the request of Wolfivich, giving him the opportunity to save his "face" ..
        The revolution under the red flag will no longer be in Russia, everything is too vulgar .. Something else should be a kind of "golden mean" ... I hope without blood and robbery. Like in the 90s!
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 30 August 2020 14: 33 New
      -1
      I constantly suggest that EVERYONE should go to the polls, then there will be no need for revolutions.
      1. Husit
        Husit 30 August 2020 17: 07 New
        -2
        Quote: NordUral
        I constantly suggest that EVERYONE should go to the polls, then there will be no need for revolutions.

        Yes, we go, but they don't believe US! And the sabbath of young and other templates and manuals begins ..
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 30 August 2020 18: 01 New
          -1
          Russian, a maximum of a third go to the polls, and therefore such results.
  • Husit
    Husit 30 August 2020 12: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The problem is that there is no responsibility at all in our state system. Or better to say, the inevitability of punishment.

    Where do you think it is? Who do we need to look up to in Russia again? laughing negative Oh, your guardians for Russia got divorced, I really don't know who to listen to, the same Solzhenitsin tried to appear in Russia as a kind of "savior" .. Every day on TV he taught us life for two hours (who paid so much for the broadcast)?
    Nobody came to the platform to meet him, except for the sick "dissenters" of a bunch of elderly people Ugh damn it
    I will give you a short answer, Ingvar 72 (your age))) Russia is a specific country and the patterns of Western development do not take root with us ..! We have our own path, thorny, difficult, bloody sometimes .. BUT YOUR OWN! soldier
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 14: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Husit
      We have our own path, thorny, difficult, bloody sometimes .. BUT YOUR OWN!

      Thats exactly what I mean.
      1. Husit
        Husit 30 August 2020 17: 11 New
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Husit
        We have our own path, thorny, difficult, bloody sometimes .. BUT YOUR OWN!

        Thats exactly what I mean.

        No, you're not talking about the same Ingvar, you want troubles and bloody showdowns now .. angry
        I want Russia to finally distance itself from world fights and take a little look around the world ..
        And again, here we are, Russia .. let's fight someone in the world. Weak? And the stakes are placed by the world's bigwigs.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 August 2020 17: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Husit
          .Let's fight anyone in the world Weak?

          No, I am against the search for external enemies - they are very often invented to maintain their own population in a certain tone. Or to distract from internal problems, like ours, for example. request
  • antivirus
    antivirus 28 August 2020 16: 07 New
    +4
    These are the pies with kittens - have you survived, Kudrin remembers efficiency, and besides him, are there any other people?
    economists and directors in the enterprises themselves?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 August 2020 18: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: antivirus
      Kudrin remembers efficiency, but besides him, are there any other enthusiasts?

      From Kudrin, the guardian is like a bullet from the land. lol If only Anatoly Borisovich is involved in the process? belay
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 28 August 2020 16: 12 New
    11
    But the state must be taken out of business, if only because its presence there becomes an excellent base for corruption and abuse.

    Remind me of how Rottenberg's business came about? I will give a hint - a "gift" from Gazprom
    Or recall how long did Gazprom itself collect at one time from private owners?
    Well, no, all strategic, energy, resource, infrastructure enterprises should remain with the state.
    Yes, there will be corruption, but the capacities themselves will remain in the country and will work for it. And what, private traders will not withdraw profits, will not start hiding taxes, not reselling business to the West, which will simply kill him as a competitor?
    Moreover, it is necessary to radically increase the participation of the state in pharmaceuticals, medical equipment, and new technologies.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 August 2020 18: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: RUnnm
      Remind me of how Rottenberg's business came about?

      Please tell us what Mr. Shokhin is doing in the country and what he is famous for - President of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, President of the National Research University Higher School of Economics. Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party.
      And these are all in plain sight. You can immediately see what they are doing, and who is the curator ...
      1. depressant
        depressant 28 August 2020 19: 22 New
        +7
        Oh, colleague ROSS 42 ...
        Speak, in plain sight ...
        So I began to deal with the snake ball: Gazprom,
        Stroygazmontazh,
        Stroytransneftegaz,
        Stroyinvestholding,
        Volga Group,
        other.
        With all these Timchenko, Rotenberg, Goryukhin, the daughter of the head of the FSB, the son of Zolotov and a whole cloud of people in their greedy and obscene interweaving of monetary interests. I began to understand how they, on an indescribable scale, steal not only from the state, depriving any prospects of national projects, but also from each other, and realized that she was plunged into such nasty things with her astonished attention that apart from exhaling "To the wall!" I can't say anything else. Not with a nasty broom, but in Chinese - "To the wall!" For they give up, and there is no construct, except for 9 grams of lead. What is the Accounts Chamber!
      2. Husit
        Husit 30 August 2020 11: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Please tell us what Mr. Shokhin is doing in the country and what he is famous for - President of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, President of the National Research University Higher School of Economics. Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party.
        And these are all in plain sight. You can immediately see what they are doing, and who is the curator ...

        The fifth column from the late 80s-90s has not gone anywhere .. waiting in the wings! And then there will be no mercy for us in Russia ..
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 August 2020 16: 34 New
    +5
    Actually, the privatization, and this is how the operation for the legalized liquidation of the Russian economy should be called, should be constitutionally prohibited! Otherwise, Russia as a state will not be at most, in 10 years! They will plunder everything, sell it, take the loot offshore, and the privatizers themselves will dump it out of the country!
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 August 2020 16: 43 New
    +3
    The unified state property management system shows that there are 1025 joint-stock companies and 626 federal state-owned enterprises in Russia. But the state must be taken out of business, if only because its presence there becomes an excellent basis for corruption and abuse.
    fool fool Have you tried to fight corruption? angry
    The liberals from the economy may be right when they insist that large-scale privatization is necessary in Russia.
    They cannot be right because they want us dead. fool
    Let them first sort it out among themselves.
    JV RF. Data Federal Property Management Agency, the above, strongly disagree with the information Rosstat, tax authorities,
    They made a purposely mess in the public sector in order to ditch it.
  • Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 28 August 2020 16: 45 New
    +6
    ... the state must be taken out of business, if only because its presence there becomes an excellent base for corruption and abuse ...

    Well, yes, but with the private economy there is no such base?
    But what about the different "Kings of the state order" like the friends of the Rotenberg VVP? The richest family in Russia, according to Forbes. How is corruption there, is everything clean?
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 28 August 2020 17: 20 New
      -2
      The Rotenbergs, at least, do not go offshore and bring real benefits and contributions to the economy: calculate the real income from the exhausting construction of the Crimean Bridge.
      Guys for this, under sanctions, all their grandmothers are in Russia.
      And don't be jealous. An anti-example: the Ananyev brothers, Promsvyazbank, withdrew 202 billion from Russia.
      Don't put ALL in one basket.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 28 August 2020 18: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: fn34440
        Don't put ALL in one basket.

        And what should they now distribute to all "Heroes of Labor" or coupons for enhanced meals?
        Wow, what a great difference: some overestimate estimates, costs and build at exorbitant prices, while others speculate on other people's money, attracting them at meager interest rates and giving loans at higher rates ...
        You know very well how the Rotenbergs returned part of the money, supposedly there was an abundance of them ...
        Take Forbes lists over the years and see how and why the capital of these dealers grew.
        You are correct in that:
        Quote: fn34440
        Don't put ALL in one basket.

        Can be placed on camp bunks. Bunks and prison gruel are very effective remedies for money-grubbing and theft.
        yes
      2. Igoresha
        Igoresha 28 August 2020 18: 25 New
        +1
        Guys for this, under sanctions, all their grandmothers are in Russia.
        sufferers! not that the Furgal planted on a bunk is cooled by them))
        1. depressant
          depressant 28 August 2020 21: 16 New
          +3
          Why should the Rothenbergs take something to offshore companies? Goryukhin did it for them, being the manager of the Stroygazmontazh company, owned by Arkady Rotenberg. Goryukhin withdrew up to 50% of dividends from lower-level suppliers, nodding at Rotenberg, they say, he needed it, and sent it to offshore companies. At the same time he stole from Rotenberg. In general, which of them stole from whom, no Accounts Chamber will figure it out, because they are confused themselves and are not offended. Then Goryukhin hastily created Stroytransneftegaz and bought Stroygazmontazh from Rotenberg with the stolen goods in November last year, and the hastily created Stroyinvestholding will buy Stroytransneftegaz from Goryukhin, and then hastily sold to Gazprom, or is already its division ...
          Do you understand something? Me not. A tangle of some kind of continuous machinations, a vile bustle of thimblers around the only company, Stroygazmontazh, with a passing flow of hundreds of state billions abroad. How can the Accounts Chamber unravel this? And the prosecutor's office? They pushed in and fled. Perhaps for a share. Alexander the Great did not bother with the Gordian knot. He cut it open with a wave of his sword. But the Macedonian ones are not found in our kingdom today, and this is a special conversation.
          ... I understand: people want to believe in something good. But the truth is that we are in the early stages of capitalism. And if someone thinks that the nature of his creators in our country is different than a hundred years ago in the West, then he threw a potential victim. It has already been said, but we have to repeat: capitalism in the form of Maslow's pyramid of needs is not built in our country. This is when the wealthier a person is, the higher the social stratum he is and the higher his spirituality in the form of an awareness of responsibility for the lower strata. The lowest layer of the pyramid is hungry. Both we and our obscene oligarchs - we are in it, for everyone is hungry! Only appetites are different. We are all just the foundation of the future pyramid. The oligarchs do not understand this and are bitterly surprised why the Queen of England does not invite them to five o'clock tea - they are so rich!
      3. Aag
        Aag 4 September 2020 10: 25 New
        0
        Quote: fn34440
        The Rotenbergs, at least, do not go offshore and bring real benefits and contributions to the economy: calculate the real income from the exhausting construction of the Crimean Bridge.
        Guys for this, under sanctions, all their grandmothers are in Russia.
        And don't be jealous. An anti-example: the Ananyev brothers, Promsvyazbank, withdrew 202 billion from Russia.
        Don't put ALL in one basket.

        Derepaska was also rescued by the whole world (the budget of the Russian Federation), the media sculpted a sufferer from sanctions from him ... What is the result?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 28 August 2020 17: 57 New
    +2
    What choice to make, neigh, sneer or start swearing on the spot!
    What is our system of power, if "princesses" people are sold / bought easily and easily ???
    We are talking about some kind of madhouse, somewhere out there trying to talk, but for ourselves this phenomenon is endless, constant! The question is, who wants to join us? Why do they need it ???
    Yes, another question "relevant" and who will answer, for the mess that we have going on ???
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 August 2020 18: 11 New
    +2
    If you want to make a big contribution, please submit a report on how you acquired such an amount of money. You hand over a precious thing to a pawnshop, to a jeweler - the same thing. Somewhere it is considered normal two centuries ago. We know our billionaires. But money loves silence. And we do not see the underwater part of the iceberg. And these people often have no small power.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 28 August 2020 18: 27 New
    +2
    Well, all these are separate shortcomings, these small shortcomings were mentioned yesterday by VVP in his interview ... By and large, in Russia, in principle, everything is fine ... Che, be angry ... laughing
    1. depressant
      depressant 28 August 2020 22: 10 New
      0
      Colleague parusnik, but what about this?
      Here is the state office "Rosimushchestvo". Seemingly, continuous accounting and control. But!
      From the resource UtroNews it follows that the Accounts Chamber of Russia has identified a significant amount of violations, which "does not allow to recognize the proper activities of the Federal Property Management Agency for the administration of non-tax revenues and federal property management in 2019. The discrepancy between the data of budget accounting and the register of federal property amounted to 6,7 trillion rubles. But how could you be mistaken for such an amount, given that 93% of the agency's income is dividends from state corporations? "

      The head of the Federal Property Management Agency is the former head of the Moscow department of the Investigative Committee, Vadim Yakovenko. Just think - the Investigative Committee! It would seem, right? There must be a person of crystal honesty. Moreover, the FSB and the Accounts Chamber constantly clamped in pincers on both sides. Yet 6,7 trillion is a shortfall - in a year! This is exactly the price of an infrastructure national project. And in this transparent organization they steal in such a way that a whole national project was stolen in a year. By the way, we are with you. And this despite the fact that the FSB detains the territorial heads of this organization almost every month. Doesn't this look like a feast during the plague - not only figuratively, but also literally? As if the officials set out to plunder and in this way quickly destroy the country. They are detained, and they continue to steal without looking back ...
      Or maybe you are being ironic?
  • The comment was deleted.
  • BAI
    BAI 28 August 2020 19: 40 New
    +2
    On Wednesday, the president of the country found it necessary to personally intervene in the situation, expressing surprise at the merger, which led to the fact that 62 percent of BSC shares in the hands of the state were “surprisingly” diluted to 38.

    And today the Prosecutor General's Office found a bunch of violations and recognized the privatization of the soda company illegal. Only one question arises: "Where was the Prosecutor General's Office all these years and where did it look until Putin personally indicated where to look?"
    True, the second question immediately suggests itself: "How many more" soda companies "that have not caught the eye of Putin?
    1. And why do you need
      And why do you need 29 August 2020 09: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      On Wednesday, the president of the country found it necessary to personally intervene in the situation, expressing surprise at the merger, which led to the fact that 62 percent of BSC shares in the hands of the state were “surprisingly” diluted to 38.

      And today the Prosecutor General's Office found a bunch of violations and recognized the privatization of the soda company illegal. Only one question arises: "Where was the Prosecutor General's Office all these years and where did it look until Putin personally indicated where to look?"
      True, the second question immediately suggests itself: "How many more" soda companies "that have not caught the eye of Putin?

      They asked to intervene in order to redistribute the share
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 28 August 2020 20: 15 New
    +3
    Quote: Livonetc

    Let the already outstanding businessmen create new, innovative and super-efficient enterprises themselves.

    Let's create a ChastMostStroy. Let it make bridges 2 times cheaper and 4 times better. Not only will this company never receive orders, but also all control bodies will come to the head. It's good if they don't throw something.
  • Husit
    Husit 28 August 2020 22: 15 New
    -4
    Kudrin, when he got involved in this case (head of the Accounts Chamber), he forgot about democracy and freedom of speech ..
    Putin immediately hinted to him, before criticizing him, try to figure it out yourself, if you're not afraid .. Looks like he began to figure it out and was horrified who was operating there.
  • Million
    Million 28 August 2020 22: 44 New
    +4
    Putin, as always, not in the know?
  • nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 29 August 2020 05: 37 New
    +3
    Under I.V. Stalin had a small business (artels, consumer cooperation, cooperatives, etc.) and PERSONAL responsibility. Now he is only interested in his own pocket, the interests of the state aside.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 August 2020 06: 26 New
    +1
    Recently one businessman was tried. He killed a man because of his apartment. He was asked why he did it. After all, he had his own business. He replied: "One does not interfere with the other." Someone then retirement benefits, like an eyesore. The first to throw the bait was a well-known person among the deputies - "If the amendments to the Constitution do not pass, we will cancel all pensions." Many people now see the destruction of the pension fund as a turn to the destruction of the pension system. Imagine the scope for business. People who cannot even pay utility bills can be evicted on the street.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 29 August 2020 13: 31 New
    +1
    Money doesn't smell. The high salaries of the Elita are the disguised profits of the capitalists. (see Miller, Serdyukov, Rogozin)

    That's it, socialism ended long ago ...
  • Radius
    Radius 29 August 2020 21: 12 New
    0
    Even medium and small businesses are strenuously avoiding "extra" taxes in their opinion. Numerous contractors, etc. use hired labor in the dark, for cash ... without any registration, taxes, etc. Their times, you see, are difficult .... Absolutely opaque schemes are completely controlled by the tax authorities. And the state officials-customers only condone this, for a considerable reward. Especially on the periphery. Hang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • NordUral
    NordUral 30 August 2020 10: 21 New
    0
    But the state must be taken out of business, if only because its presence there becomes an excellent basis for corruption and abuse.

    Shish you! have already taken the country out of the second world economy into the third, or even the fourth world. Enough!
  • Kaw
    Kaw 30 August 2020 10: 26 New
    0
    If the state is unable to put things in order in the state. companies, what will happen when they become private? No, it's not state property that needs to be sold ...
  • iouris
    iouris 30 August 2020 13: 23 New
    +1
    Did the auditors reveal that there is no state?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 30 August 2020 15: 05 New
    +1
    Only in our country can the size of salaries and bonuses increase at the end of the year for a company bearing losses. What's in the state that in the private.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 September 2020 09: 55 New
    0
    Quote: gsev
    Quote: RUnnm
    to bring real order

    You just need to take advantage of the successful experience of the Bolsheviks and first nationalize banks and microloan offices.

    microloan offices generally need to be liquidated, because these are all swindlers, interest-rate shullers and peepers of simpletons
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 2 September 2020 13: 31 New
    +1
    Bedlam, the level of professionalism of high inmates is below the baseboard, and there is nothing to say about the staff. Such low efficiency of the staff is simply incomprehensible to the mind. Philologists and journalists run the industry, space, they themselves cannot distinguish a bolt from a nut.