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"We must conclude a deal with Russia and produce the S-500 at home": India reacts to tests of the latest air defense system

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State tests of the new Russian air-missile defense system (air defense-missile defense) of long-range interception S-500 "Prometheus" have begun. On Monday, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told reporters at the Army-2020 International Forum.


This message received the closest attention in New Delhi, and the IDN edition published on its pages a long article on Russian development.

The Indian press writes that, according to Yuri Borisov, preparations are in full swing for the launch of a new anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) into serial production.

Prior to this, Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko reported that the arrival of the first S-500 complexes to the troops is planned for 2021, and serial deliveries to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should take place in 2025.

The S-500 Prometey anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) is a representative of a new generation of long-range surface-to-air weapons. It is designed to intercept targets at high altitudes and is capable of effectively fighting ballistic missiles, hitting them at any point in the trajectory. It is anti-space weapon, capable of neutralizing enemy missiles and satellites at an altitude of 200 (!) kilometers within a radius of up to 600 kilometers.

In a commentary to an article published by an Indian publication, one of the readers wrote that New Delhi must independently produce such weapons under a Russian license:

We need to make a deal (with Russia) and make the S-500 air defense system in India.

Another comment on the IDN article on the S-500:

Will India, with its vast mind-boggling experience in matters of prudence, bureaucratic procrastination and idleness, ever cope with the situation, discarding its usual lethargy and quickly negotiate the purchase of the S-500?
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  1. Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 August 2020 15: 34 New
    59
    We need to make a deal (with Russia) and make the S-500 air defense system in India.

    Urgently! High power lip-rolling machine for this gentleman!
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 26 August 2020 15: 35 New
      22
      I just want to tell the Indians, but your face will not crack?
      1. KAV
        KAV 26 August 2020 15: 49 New
        15
        We need to make a deal (with Russia) and make the S-500 air defense system in India.
        Can they also give them the keys to the apartment, where is the money? Their ambitions are normal, however, they are often not justified ... How many joint projects they were offered - they turned up their noses. And now they suddenly wanted a deal. Yeah.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 26 August 2020 16: 42 New
          -30 qualifying.
          I don't know who is reacting there, but India knocked the satellite out of orbit with its own missile defense system. Russia, by the way, is not yet.
          1. Maikcg
            Maikcg 26 August 2020 16: 54 New
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            Russia was doing this as satellites-killers 40 years ago. And more than half a century has passed with rockets, so it's low. Anyway, it is impolite to litter the orbit with fragments of "downing".
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 26 August 2020 17: 19 New
              -20 qualifying.
              I wonder why I do not doubt for a second that if Russia had tested an anti-missile missile, knocking down a satellite with a direct blow on an upward course, then domestic commentators would immediately stop portraying Gret Thunberg and worry about cluttering the orbit with debris.
              1. krot
                krot 26 August 2020 19: 20 New
                0
                Naive Indian guys ..)
              2. Alex777
                Alex777 27 August 2020 12: 19 New
                0
                I wonder why I don't doubt for a second

                Doubt - you need to be able to. wink
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 27 August 2020 13: 02 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Doubt - you need to be able to. wink
                  Let me doubt it.
              3. Maikcg
                Maikcg 28 August 2020 15: 57 New
                0
                The US Air Force Space Command claims that Russia (15.04.20/XNUMX/XNUMX) tested a direct intercept anti-satellite missile. "The Russian test of the DA-ASAT (direct intercept anti-satellite missile) shows another example that the threats to the space systems of the United States and allies are real, serious and growing," said John Raymond, head of the US Air Force's space command.
                The report notes that the United States is ready to "contain aggression and protect the nation", allies and interests of the United States from hostile actions in space.

                It's too bad to litter the orbit with test waste!
            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 26 August 2020 23: 33 New
              0
              Quote: MaikCG
              it is impolite to litter the orbit with debris of "downing".

              Moreover, it is a cosmic sin. am laughing
              And jokes aside, if they start to "beat the pots" in orbits, then after all the losing side will be obliged to clean out the near-earth space. If the losing side ... hmm ... accidentally does not remain, then the winner is harnessed. But you should clean up anyway. yes
              1. Alf
                Alf 27 August 2020 20: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Paranoid50
                If the losing side ... hmm ... accidentally does not remain, then the winner is harnessed.

                Museum visitors examine the statue without arms, legs and head.
                The guide is the statue of the winner.
                Tourist - I can imagine what a defeated person looks like in this case ... laughing
          2. Alf
            Alf 26 August 2020 19: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: military_cat
            I don't know who is reacting there, but India knocked the satellite out of orbit with its own missile defense system.

            Well done Indians. That's just then the question is, why don't you need our ABM and PKO systems?
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 27 August 2020 10: 31 New
              -4
              Quote: Alf
              Well done Indians. That's just then the question is, why don't you need our ABM and PKO systems?

              Perhaps, in the comments to the article on which this article was written on VO, Indian liberals dug in, who simply hate everything Indian. In general, the review of comments is a strange genre, I think.
              1. Alf
                Alf 27 August 2020 20: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: military_cat
                Indian liberals who just hate everything Indian.

                To admire the Indian, one must have this very Indian, and with this in India the hollow is empty.
                Quote: military_cat
                In general, the review of comments is a strange genre, I think.

                So why are you participating in it?
      2. Dod Income
        Dod Income 27 August 2020 08: 09 New
        0
        probably it is possible if a cow flash drive is inserted into the device
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 August 2020 15: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak

      Urgently! High power lip-rolling machine for this gentleman!

      Please
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 15: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Please

        You are a sadist, my friend ... It hurts!
        1. Alf
          Alf 26 August 2020 19: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Please

          You are a sadist, my friend ... It hurts!

          But effective and intelligible.
      2. pipetro
        pipetro 26 August 2020 16: 47 New
        10
        Increased power looks like this
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 August 2020 16: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: pipetro
          Increased power looks like this

          Yes, this is already for group use lol
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 26 August 2020 21: 04 New
        +1
        Judging by the functionality, it is just the opposite, a "lip rolling" machine. And the Indians, and so the lip hoo.
      4. Kazimirsat
        Kazimirsat 28 August 2020 03: 29 New
        0
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 August 2020 15: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Urgently! High power lip-rolling machine for this gentleman!

      That is, it never occurs to the Indians that they will not receive this technology for another 50 years? laughing
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 26 August 2020 16: 18 New
        +8
        Well, what are you, the Indians intended to lift the plane of the 5th generation into the sky by 25 g. Apparently, poor animals will be lifted on elephants.
        1. Maikcg
          Maikcg 26 August 2020 16: 55 New
          -1
          The tortoise is even more difficult.
        2. Voyager
          Voyager 27 August 2020 07: 21 New
          +1
          But the plane can be called Dumbo.
      2. Zorro21
        Zorro21 26 August 2020 16: 23 New
        -8
        Quote: NEXUS
        That is, it never occurs to the Indians that they will not receive this technology.

        First you need to think about how much the S-500 differs from the S-400. Obviously, by as much as the S-400 differs from the S-300 of the extreme modification - i.e. not important. Consequently, with the supply of appropriate missiles and a small upgrade, the S-400 will not be much inferior to the S-500. Moreover, from the very beginning of the design in the early 2000s, the air defense system of the new generation of the Ministry of Defense immediately set too ambitious performance characteristics of the S-500. Therefore, the S-400 has become a kind of intermediate option in the implementation of the strategy of a unified aerospace defense. In addition, you need to understand that no air defense system can be on its own, an integrated aerospace defense system with all accompanying components must always be built, otherwise any air defense system turns into an easy target.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 26 August 2020 17: 37 New
          -2
          Oh, I'm not sure that the radar weapons, signal processing algorithms are the same. Still, the difference of 15-20 years in development is significant. During this period, there was a breakthrough in the mathematics of radar. Compared to 60s and 70s math
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 August 2020 18: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Zorro21
          First you need to think how much the S-500 differs from the S-400. Obviously, by as much as the S-400 differs from the S-300 of the extreme modification - i.e. not important.

          How did you drink such a deep thought? Prometheus is the FIRST anti-space defense complex in the world. There is no Triumph of extreme modification, nor the S-300V4 are even close to Prometheus in terms of performance characteristics. In addition, it is stated that the S-500 will be capable of intercepting high-speed maneuvering targets. What the devil is "not important"?
          To understand what nonsense they wrote, let's imagine a comparison of Tunguska and Triumph. This is what you compared about the same idiocy.
          Quote: Zorro21
          otherwise, any air defense system turns into an easy target.

          This is the meaning of the ESCHELONED missile defense and air defense system. And each complex is responsible for its own decision-making radius.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 26 August 2020 15: 35 New
    +2
    Will India, with its vast mind-boggling experience in matters of prudence, bureaucratic procrastination and idleness, ever cope with the situation, discarding its usual lethargy and quickly negotiate the purchase of the S-500?

    Of course he cannot .. and then, to them and to all other potential buyers and from -400 for the eyes. And if they want from -500, then there must be a requirement, all weapons to be bought in Russia ..
  3. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 26 August 2020 15: 37 New
    -2
    We need to make a deal (with Russia) and make the S-500 air defense system in India.

    Also to me "manufacturers" are crooked No.
  4. Runoway
    Runoway 26 August 2020 15: 37 New
    +1
    Only after the transfer of technology for the production of whitman laughing
    1. Alf
      Alf 26 August 2020 19: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Runoway
      Only after the transfer of technology for the production of whitman laughing

      Wiman.
      1. Runoway
        Runoway 26 August 2020 23: 14 New
        +1
        The carved views were
  5. Livonetc
    Livonetc 26 August 2020 15: 38 New
    +2
    Let them do it.
    But after 40 years.
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 26 August 2020 15: 39 New
    +1
    And who said that we will sell the S-500 to dancers in the next 5-10 years? And about "doing in India" - they even managed to spoil the "Kalashnikov", not to mention tanks and planes. What is the release of the S-500? Maximum - let them do the balloon keys for Arcelor Mittal.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 26 August 2020 16: 09 New
      -3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      And who said that we will sell the S-500 to dancers in the next 5-10 years?

      Well, the Turks did not plan to sell the C400 either, but given the appetites of our bureaucrats, it is possible that the C500 will face the same fate.
      1. Kart
        Kart 26 August 2020 16: 29 New
        +4
        Oh, these bureaucrats. They just get in the way.
        And the poor, disadvantaged people gather in the basements of the S-400 in secret from the bloody regime and greedy bureaucrats.
        But they still find, take, sell, and then spend on drink.
        I wish we could take everything away from them and take a walk from the belly ourselves.
        1. kventinasd
          kventinasd 26 August 2020 17: 04 New
          +6
          Quote: Carte
          But they still find, take, sell, and then spend on drink.
          I wish we could take everything away from them and take a walk from the belly ourselves.

          That's it from the belly. Do you know how much an engineer of NPO Granit gets, for example, who goes to the proving grounds of these very complexes, without seeing the family for six months and living all this time in field conditions?
          - Miserable pennies, but all the rest of the loot and saw these same bureaucrats.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 26 August 2020 16: 56 New
      0
      And who said that we will sell the S-500 to dancers in the next 5-10 years?
      That's right, we'd better sell to the Turks, ......... on credit, .......... interest-free .....
  7. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 26 August 2020 15: 40 New
    0
    "Another comment on the IDN article about the S-500" amused, with its unprecedented accuracy, in the assessment of our Indian partners.
  8. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 26 August 2020 15: 40 New
    0
    Can India, with its vast mind-boggling experience in matters of prudence, bureaucratic delays and idleness,

    The best performance you can imagine good
  9. taiga2018
    taiga2018 26 August 2020 15: 51 New
    -3
    If Washington allows you ...
  10. Harry cuper
    Harry cuper 26 August 2020 16: 02 New
    0
    They are strange guys, these Indians. For some reason, they are sure that they can independently develop and produce 5th generation fighters, the latest air defense systems and other high-tech things.
    1. horus88
      horus88 26 August 2020 16: 11 New
      0
      So they do not say that they will develop the c500 themselves. They want us to transfer the technology to them, and then they will start riveting ... It's a pity that no one will give them anything.
    2. Yuriy71
      Yuriy71 26 August 2020 16: 35 New
      -9
      Their interplanetary station, by the way, has already flown to Mars! And she passed on a lot of interesting material! Therefore, your skepticism is from ignorance of their capabilities!
      1. Kart
        Kart 26 August 2020 16: 44 New
        +4
        sis.
        Skepticism.
        It is he who arises from the demonstration of your ability to express your judgments.
      2. Dva parovoza
        Dva parovoza 26 August 2020 18: 17 New
        0
        Well, if skepticism - through Z, then yes, of course, there is nothing to argue about ...
  11. Andy
    Andy 26 August 2020 16: 08 New
    0
    according to leading experts, the c500 has an extremely low export potential due to low efficiency: songs and dances were not included in the algorithm of its work even at the initial level
    1. Igool
      Igool 26 August 2020 18: 25 New
      0
      Is it okay if the Indians export only a block of songs and dances? If they invest, we can even develop it personally for them.
  12. raddy13
    raddy13 26 August 2020 16: 16 New
    +2
    Another nonsense - "... is able to effectively deal with ballistic missiles, hitting them at any point of the trajectory" And will finish it at 5000 km? or just swung at 11000? Within a radius of 600 km there can be only OTRs, then only "... at any point of the trajectory"
    1. Igool
      Igool 26 August 2020 18: 22 New
      +3
      You probably forgot how to read. In the same paragraph below:
      It is an anti-space weapon capable of neutralizing enemy missiles and satellites at an altitude of 200 (!) Kilometers within a radius of up to 600 kilometers.

      And any point on the trajectory indicates that if a launch occurs in this space, either there is a missile or a warhead. In my opinion it is obvious
  13. Normal
    Normal 26 August 2020 16: 18 New
    0
    Oh, just not with these gypsies. Then they will start twisting their hands again, asking to transfer technology to them. Unreliable partners.
  14. garik77
    garik77 26 August 2020 16: 24 New
    0
    These gypsies are cool. laughing They have already mastered tanks and aircraft. The only thing left is to make the Russians give them all their technology.
  15. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 26 August 2020 16: 32 New
    0
    If Russia leads to the persuasions and promises of these Most cunning masters, it will be her Greatest mistake!
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 26 August 2020 16: 39 New
    +1
    There is nothing to discuss here, both for now and later.
  17. Komissar
    Komissar 26 August 2020 16: 49 New
    +2
    Hindus have rolled their lips! Buy the S-400, and we'll keep the 500 for now, too dangerous and formidable weapon of defense! And the military Indians became famous throughout the world for their slovenliness .. laughing
    Quote: rocket757
    There is nothing to discuss here, both for now and later.

    Briefly and clearly Victor !!!!
  18. jovanni
    jovanni 26 August 2020 16: 52 New
    0
    In a commentary to an article published by an Indian publication, one of the readers wrote that New Delhi must independently produce such weapons under a Russian license:

    Is it true, so how can I give it ?!
  19. Ryusey
    Ryusey 26 August 2020 16: 57 New
    -1
    Figs with butter named S-500!
  20. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 26 August 2020 17: 09 New
    +3
    India, of course, is our partner on many issues, but ... in India you can only print advertising brochures for the 500 complex
    1. Igool
      Igool 26 August 2020 18: 26 New
      0
      And then with great care, because here, too, nothing can come out of joint cooperation
  21. Sibguest
    Sibguest 26 August 2020 17: 22 New
    0
    No problem - shanovni Hindusi!
    As soon as we begin state tests of the S-800, we can talk about the release of the S-500 from you.
    In the meantime .... Pokedova - bear with it.
  22. Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 26 August 2020 17: 28 New
    -6
    comments on India are the third most important for the most zealous commentators ........ on VO, after F35 and Ukraine.
    1. Igool
      Igool 26 August 2020 18: 29 New
      +2
      Well, finally, the statistics came in time, and we didn’t know what to do without you. It was completely confused, but now, with the knowledge received from you, only forward, only with songs and only with dances
    2. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 26 August 2020 18: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: Wwk7260
      comments on India are the third most important for the most zealous commentators ........ on VO, after F35 and Ukraine.

      You did not mark Israel. hi
      1. Wwk7260
        Wwk7260 26 August 2020 19: 03 New
        -1
        there is a separate zone, out of competition, it is controlled by Meehan (Vitalik).
        1. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 26 August 2020 19: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Wwk7260
          there is a separate zone, out of competition, it is controlled by Meehan (Vitalik).

          Clear. So to speak, "separated into a separate court proceeding"
  23. sergo1914
    sergo1914 26 August 2020 17: 30 New
    -3
    AvtoVAZ: Indians, look at our beautiful but reliable cars ...
  24. alien308
    alien308 26 August 2020 17: 40 New
    +2
    Of course there is money, but the Indian toad is stronger.
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  26. dima314
    dima314 26 August 2020 21: 20 New
    +1
    I almost fell))) And what will the turkeys pull to do the S-400? Where are they S-500)) They would have to master the C-125, in the latest version, to begin with)
  27. datur
    datur 27 August 2020 00: 23 New
    +2
    Indians are our gypsies !! Believe them not to respect themselves!
  28. Joker62
    Joker62 27 August 2020 05: 21 New
    0
    Quote: KAV
    We need to make a deal (with Russia) and make the S-500 air defense system in India.
    Can they also give them the keys to the apartment, where is the money? Their ambitions are normal, however, they are often not justified ... How many joint projects they were offered - they turned up their noses. And now they suddenly wanted a deal. Yeah.

    Duc, they are like gypsies in the bazaar ... until they dance with tambourines, and in addition to a fried rooster, only then they start thinking whether to buy or not ... They have already hacked many projects from Russia ... and everyone wants many and in one pile ...
  29. Paramon Pictures
    Paramon Pictures 27 August 2020 05: 27 New
    +1
    Do you need anything else from underwear? The smartest, or what?
  30. Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich 27 August 2020 05: 57 New
    +1
    I remember at the time of EBN, the Americans bought the technology made by the RD-180. So what? They still buy these engines in Khimki. Why?
    "The supply of high-pressure kerosene in an oxygen-enriched environment leads to instant destruction of the most stable alloys. The RD-180 engine consumes about 1 tons of fuel per second, which is supplied by a 25 kilowatt turbo pump, which exceeds the power of the reactor of the atomic icebreaker" Arctic "more than twice. That is, in one chamber with a diameter of only 180 millimeters, a little more than 000 tons of fuel per second burns, releasing gigantic energy, which modern American technologies will not be able to control for a long time."
    For this reason, they were unable to launch the production of the RD-180 in the United States.
  31. zwlad
    zwlad 27 August 2020 09: 34 New
    0
    Are we ready to sell them the S-500?
    Moreover, a license?
    Maybe they will buy 57 su-100 pieces first?
    1. Kuzmitsky
      27 August 2020 23: 37 New
      0
      Most likely, it will be something like this. First, they will buy several of these S-500 units, and after a while they will begin to persuade them to sell them a production license. With tank planes, they somehow act like that from time to time.
  32. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 August 2020 09: 44 New
    0
    "We must make a deal with Russia and produce the S-500 at home"
    And where are the elephants? wassat
  33. here
    here 27 August 2020 10: 02 New
    0
    And what is so modest? You could also ask your wife to use it with a promise to return "with interest."
  34. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Kuzmich Sibiryakov 27 August 2020 22: 07 New
    0
    Hindus behave like Buridanov's donkey, walking between two haystacks, not deciding which haystack to eat, dead of hunger.
    Who will sell them a license? They have not yet stepped over the step of the S-300 complex. You need to start small.
  35. Vdi73
    Vdi73 28 August 2020 07: 00 New
    0
    The S-500 just can't be sold for a while, but India, as always, wants to eat a fish, dreamers. Although I do not exclude that the S-500 will begin to sell quickly, we also have greedy, insatiable types who are ready to trade with their backs, and money would stick to their hands.
  36. Shadow041
    Shadow041 28 August 2020 13: 22 New
    +1
    India cooperates with the United States, so it is not profitable to transfer the secrets of production of the S-500 air defense system of the Russian Federation to the Indians, the risk of information leakage is too great
  37. Pamir
    Pamir 28 August 2020 22: 27 New
    0
    Why do Indians need C-500, they have C400 for their eyes. C400 is an excellent system for developing countries. And they see all the pills because of greed and more, more. C400 needs to be mastered for years and decades, the Syrians with ZRPK Shell cannot get used to, they manage to lose. Any system Air defense missile defense by itself does not work, it must be mastered, and a bunch of highly specialized high-class military specialists for years. They think if the C500 is all, he will do everything for them, but no guys, Indians, they will hunt elephants with this system, or substituted in the very first confrontation. It's like a rich amateur driver, get into a Formula One car, and think about yourself, a ready champion. The S400 will be enough to study them for 40 years.