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Pensions 2020. Nothing new, just indexing

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Pensions 2020. Nothing new, just indexing

They promised. We wait



It just so happened that the older generation is forced to take all pension combinations of recent years, starting with the increase in the age of retirement, for granted. Nobody at the top heard protests in the press, especially since nothing like the Belarusian "Maidan" happened.

However, oddly enough, now it is decisions in favor of pensioners that usually cause them the most irritation. I asked a lot of friends and acquaintances who are now over sixty or so, and everyone, as one, regarded all kinds of indexing and increments as nothing more than a mockery.

Most do not doubt that the annual thousand promised at the peak of the pension reform will simply be blurred under the guise of an anti-virus campaign. Recalculation of seniority, accounting for various kinds of non-core work, including seasonal or according to the order, long-term business trips or in the elimination of the consequences of natural disasters, usually brings some pennies.

And at the same time with a penny, tears after talking with workers of social services and advertised to a headache centers "My Documents". Even getting a death certificate there is a big problem, not just to solve pension issues seriously and for a long time.

In the fight against the bureaucracy, penny surcharges have to be knocked out not for life, but really for death. In addition, it is really honest and accessible to inform pensioners about what they can count on for this or that innovation, very few officials come to mind at all. There is as much advertising as you like, but the truth is at a minimum.

You may not be a party member


The first deputy head of the Committee on Social Policy of the Federation Council, Valery Ryazansky, said that the officials' immediate plans are to increase pensions not only through indexing. The information was announced directly in the Federation Council, and Ryazansky once again recalled that the obligations that are enshrined in the country's constitution have already provided compatriots with annual measures to index pension payments.

As you can understand, after voting on amendments to the Basic Law of the country, the ruling party (Ryazan - just from the "United Russia") considers it simply obligatory to remind of its achievements. However, let's try to figure out what the noble United Russia Russia has promised us.

According to him, the regular annual increase by the PFR authorities in payments at the inflation rate will not be the only method of increasing the amount of social support. Ryazansky found it necessary to remind that millions of citizens have already been able to make additional allowances.

How this could have happened is not entirely clear, although we have not only noble party members, but also noble pensioners, those who fall not tears at all, but rather decent money, and not from the same age as the majority. I think there is no need to explain who we are talking about.

The Federation Council reported that changes for the better will become possible in connection with plans to increase the subsistence level, which have already been developed by specialists from the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation. Thus, the level of the living wage for pensioners will rise to 9422 rubles.

But (and here's attention)

"All of these changes will not directly affect pensions."

This is what the officials said in response to my call to the department. We draw a conclusion: everyone will have to beat out this modest increase from officials.


Into the village, off the beaten track ...


By the way, in addition to innovations "from Ryazansky", there was also a message that an increase in pensions was expected for some rural pensioners. The size of the allowance has even been named - in 1421 rubles, and it is not even hidden that this is equal to 25 percent of the fixed part of the pension. We consider: the fixed part of the pension in the countryside is 5684 rubles today.

Call it what you want: pennies or tears. The amount does not even bother, but outrages, but it is also embarrassing that the increase awaits "some" pensioners. It seems that almost everyone will have to figure out who they are, these "some", and, most likely, in the very centers "My Documents".

As far as I know here in a village near Moscow, they seem to have even made it to the hinterland, but it’s not easy for a pensioner to get to them for the sake of 1421 rubles.

And in general, how do our officials sometimes know how to please the majority of pensioners. We read, for example, one of the latest messages directly from the Pension Fund (Pension Fund of Russia, if anyone forgot):

“The funded pensions of Russians this year will be increased by 9,13%. This ratio was determined in accordance with the results of investment of pension savings at the end of last year, which were three times higher than the inflation rate (3%). The recalculation will take place without declaration from August 1 and will affect the pensions of 80 thousand people. "



You are not mistaken - 80 thousand! This is from more than forty million pensioners. Indeed, Stirlitz did not teach in vain that the last thing is best remembered in a conversation. So, the Federation Council also left the most important reservation for last. So, "allowances will be charged if the amount of the benefit does not reach the established minimum." There, obviously, a little over 80 thousand will be typed, but not much. As they say, the curtain!

Don't believe and don't ask ...


In the end - something like a bike. A good friend of mine, who is already close to seventy, but he is a very advanced person, began to lose memory. And he immediately gave up the extra work, which was associated with regular telephone calls and maintaining a kind of register.

It is clear that if the memory is bad, then the registry will be full of seams. In addition, he had nothing to lose: in the Moscow region for idleness, that is, for not working anywhere officially, as you know, they do not pay extra.

And he decided on something terrible: he decided to place an ad in a local Internet chat (I will not name the locality so as not to attract competitors). What is the announcement about? Yes, that he is ready to help young parents accompanying their children to school or kindergarten and back.

At quite acceptable tariffs (again, I will not mention the numbers - for fear of competition). Oddly enough, responses to the announcement poured in almost immediately, because the last days of August are outside, and the area is not poor either.

A colleague slowly opened his group chat in WhatsApp, even allowed himself the luxury of choice, and even shared his success with several friends. If now the beginning of the school year is not postponed, then from September 1, he and his friends will get down to business. Good deed.

I immediately remembered the old Soviet melodramatic blockbuster "For family reasons" with the genius Anatoly Papanov as a visiting nurse, or rather, a male nanny. If only the tax on my acquaintances, self-employed, as you understand, then did not run over.
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 27 August 2020 10: 05 New
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    all as one regarded all sorts of indexing and increments as nothing more than a mockery.

    Exactly, I have never felt these increments, inflation eats up everything, these increments and indexations are all the same, like carrying water with a sieve, there is no result.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 27 August 2020 10: 20 New
      26
      I asked a lot of friends and acquaintances who are now over sixty or so, and everyone, as one, regarded various kinds of indexing and increments as nothing more than a mockery.

      Do you remember how the government of the fairy tale said that after raising the retirement age they will have the opportunity to pay a decent pension .. Once again, they went over their ears .. It's a complete lie!
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 27 August 2020 11: 11 New
        13
        Mom 71. The teacher is retired. All my life I have "sowed reasonable, kind, eternal" ... The result is a minimum pension. Since she moved to the village, she has help from the garden and a dozen chickens with a rooster. Yes, I try to break free at the weekend. I will not say that I help much, but I look at her neighbors, some of them are completely alone. Who will help them? They still go to the store and serve themselves. And they won't go to the city in fifty minutes by train ...
        1. solzh
          solzh 3 September 2020 12: 18 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          The result is the minimum pension.

          My mom can be said to be lucky compared to your mom. My mom gets almost 14000 rubles ...
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 27 August 2020 10: 22 New
      -4
      Question to the author: - Still Tatyana Petrova,or podymych .


      Why should a man write under a female pseudonym, or a woman (?) Use a photo of a man as an avatar belay belay belay ?
      Or is it "zakos" like that, "for a pensioner"whose concern for well-being should fuel interest in the article?"
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 August 2020 10: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Why should a man write under a female pseudonym, or a woman (?) Use a photo of a man as an avatar

        Zelo bardzo is interesting.
      2. Avior
        Avior 27 August 2020 11: 28 New
        +1
        396 publications in two years. and 260 comments.
        Probably, different authors write under the same registration.
        In any case, the signatures under the articles are different.
    3. Civil
      Civil 27 August 2020 10: 24 New
      18
      1. The most offensive thing is that the country is ruled by the same pensioners. Even their peers are not respected.
      2. There is still a bunch of pension reforms ahead, until the complete rejection of pensions. This is a no brainer.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 August 2020 10: 35 New
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        1. The most offensive thing is that the country is ruled by the same pensioners.

        And that they also have pensions?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 27 August 2020 10: 37 New
          17
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Civil
          1. The most offensive thing is that the country is ruled by the same pensioners.

          And that they also have pensions?

          Yes, for example, Gorbachev receives 600 pensions ... And those pensioners who are in power do not need a pension at all, they have provided themselves for several generations to come ..
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 August 2020 11: 32 New
            +7
            Quote: Svarog
            And those pensioners who are in power do not need a pension at all, they have provided for themselves for several generations ahead.

            So I mean that, having millions in Western banks, and claiming 30 rubles, this is overwhelming arrogance.
            1. polar fox
              polar fox 27 August 2020 17: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              So I mean that, having millions in Western banks, and claiming 30 rubles, this is overwhelming arrogance.

              Pugacheva tell this ... together you will laugh)))
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 27 August 2020 18: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: polar fox
                Pugacheva tell it ... together you will laugh

                Over whom, or over what?
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 27 August 2020 12: 10 New
        0
        young people will come in general, they will cancel pensions
        1. solzh
          solzh 3 September 2020 12: 19 New
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          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          young people will come in general, they will cancel pensions

          Rather, these pensions will be canceled, not young people
      3. prior
        prior 27 August 2020 13: 53 New
        +5
        "The most offensive thing is that the country is ruled by the same pensioners."

        You do not confuse the "Kremlin cattle yard" with retired workers, please!
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 27 August 2020 14: 09 New
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        Quote: Civil
        1. The most offensive thing is that the country is ruled by the same pensioners. Even their peers are not respected.
        2. There is still a bunch of pension reforms ahead, until the complete rejection of pensions. This is a no brainer.

        It is what it is. But unlike pensioners of hard workers, pensioners are balobols who are often heavier than a fountain pen and a pile of hennessy who never held anything heavier in their hands, and therefore their views on "life after" are diametrically opposite. In their shovel, as a rule, bills with denominations of less than 5000 rubles are a great numismatic rarity, while for ordinary pence a bill of 1000 rubles is a luxury. In 2021, elections to the State Duma are coming, from the depths of which indefatigable peasants with their lawmaking "please" not only pensioners, but also other categories of citizens called the population, and therefore it is necessary to prepare for these elections now, for which there is a great opportunity to a single voting day on September 13 and amicably vote for anyone, but against candidates from United Russia. It is clear that the result will be what is needed locally, but given that all election results are monitored and analyzed by pro-government structures, the general mood of society will be brought to the attention of the leadership of the "party in power", which may force (not vouch for, but force) to give the population some kind of bun, and not just stubs and crumbs from their table. While the bulk of the electorate will be the fifth point to warm stools in the kitchens and "proudly" ignore the elections, nothing will prevent the ruling party from pushing through laws that infringe upon the interests of "proudly voted".
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 28 August 2020 17: 16 New
          +2
          It is true that the Ederasts should be brought down in the elections, but they are already cunning, they may not write the party membership. Therefore, the leaders of the opposition must have time to explain to the people who is who and on each site. The question is: will they have time to clarify this and will they remain free by that time?
          1. solzh
            solzh 3 September 2020 12: 21 New
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            Quote: Fan-Fan
            may not write party affiliation

            They write. They even flaunt their belonging to EdRo.
        2. solzh
          solzh 3 September 2020 12: 20 New
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          Quote: Nyrobsky
          retired balobols rule, who are often heavier than a fountain pen and a pile of hennessy did not hold anything heavier in their hands

          Therefore, our pension laws are so "clumsy" ... Apparently they judge the workers by themselves ...
      5. New
        New Year day 27 August 2020 22: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        The most offensive thing is that the country is ruled by the same pensioners.

        only they don’t need pensions
      6. solzh
        solzh 3 September 2020 12: 18 New
        25
        Quote: Civil
        Even their peers are not respected

        Their peers ... They probably think that their peers are no match for them ...
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 27 August 2020 10: 24 New
      10
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      all as one regarded all sorts of indexing and increments as nothing more than a mockery.

      Exactly, I have never felt these increments, inflation eats up everything, these increments and indexations are all the same, like carrying water with a sieve, there is no result.

      By the end of the year under 90-100, many analysts predict the dollar, and this is a 50% depreciation of the ruble in relation to the exchange rate at the beginning of 2020, respectively, and the grocery basket will rise in price by 30 percent .. So they index by 9%, and everything rises in price by 30 % .. Such not complicated arithmetic ..
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    5. Boris55
      Boris55 27 August 2020 10: 29 New
      10
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      I have never felt these increments, inflation eats up everything, these increments and indexations are just like wearing water with a sieve, there is no result.

      But under Stalin, prices were reduced and the purchasing power of the population grew from year to year ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 August 2020 10: 37 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        But under Stalin, prices were reduced and the purchasing power of the population grew from year to year ...

        Then under Stalin there was socialism, and now it is capitalism.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 27 August 2020 10: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Then under Stalin there was socialism, and now it is capitalism.

          I'm talking about that. You can be indignant at the size of pensions and the increments to them as much as you like, but as long as there is capitalism, there is also inflation - these are twins.
          1. solzh
            solzh 3 September 2020 12: 21 New
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            Quote: Boris55
            while there is capitalism

            What prevents the current government from changing priorities in economics and politics and switching to the Soviet regime? Nothing. They just don't want to lose their capitalist acquisitions.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 27 August 2020 11: 04 New
        +9
        It was just that then everyone understood the obvious truth ..

        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 27 August 2020 12: 10 New
          -11
          True, anything can happen ...

        2. solzh
          solzh 3 September 2020 12: 22 New
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          Quote: paul3390
          It was just that then everyone understood the obvious truth ..

          It was just that then the politicians understood and remembered that they themselves left the people and the people gave them power. Therefore, they tried to do everything to improve the life of ordinary people.
      3. Arlen
        Arlen 27 August 2020 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        But under Stalin

        In an interview, Georgy Vitsin said that the Soviet system was more comfortable for citizens than capitalism, which he criticized.
        Vitsin, talking about his youth, which took place in Stalin's times, said that he could develop in those days, which he did with success. There were no financial problems, his scholarship was enough for everything he needed. He believed that this was the merit of the authorities thinking about the people. Now, based on the adopted laws, it seems that the authorities care about the incomes and profits of the oligarchs, and not about the people ...
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 28 August 2020 17: 21 New
          +3
          You only have now
          one gets the impression
          ?
          I have had this impression for 6 years already. Those. 6 years ago I shouted "Glory to Putin", now I don't shout like that anymore.
        2. your1970
          your1970 1 September 2020 17: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: Arlen
          There were no financial problems, his scholarships enough for everything he needed.
          -figet !!! this is his scholarship was that ????
          My father apparently in vain in the 60s, he went to unload cars at night, studying at the institute and living on a scholarship, he wished her "enough for everything"....
          Yes, and in the 80s I probably did not have to write term papers to richer (and dumb) fellow students at night - I got an increased stipukh = 34 rubles 96 kopecks

          Balabols ... even if they thought you were carrying ...
          1. solzh
            solzh 3 September 2020 12: 23 New
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            Quote: your1970
            Balabols ... even if they thought you were carrying ...

            Are you addressing this to Vitsin? It was he who gave the interview. Search the internet for his interviews and read what he writes about his scholarship.
            1. your1970
              your1970 3 September 2020 12: 35 New
              -1
              I don't care who attributed (!!!!) This is a lie to Vitsin, I lived in the USSR and I know the amount of the scholarship clearly.
              If you did not live then - then believe further that it was enough
              1. solzh
                solzh 3 September 2020 12: 36 New
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                That is, you think that Vitsin lied?
              2. solzh
                solzh 3 September 2020 12: 37 New
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                Quote: your1970
                If you did not live then - then believe further that it was enough

                You did not live in the days of Vitsin's youth.
      4. hengshenzhenglu
        hengshenzhenglu 30 August 2020 12: 42 New
        +1
        Hi Boris, I was wondering if you had any recommendations for readings about price reducation during Stalin period? I am interested in this topic. Thank you!


        translated by google:

        Hi Boris, I was wondering if you have any reading recommendations about price reductions during the Stalinist period? I'm interested in this topic. Thank!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 August 2020 13: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: hengshenzhenglu
          Hi Boris, I was wondering if you have any reading recommendations about price reductions during the Stalinist period? I'm interested in this topic. Thank!

          As a result of an increase in labor productivity (improvement of the quality of management, development of skills of workers, introduction of new technologies), the surplus product increases. Money can be printed on this product, or prices can be reduced. Stalin cut prices. Where you can read about it - I don't know. Capitalists do not apply to this matter and in every possible way prevent the dissemination of such information.
          1. hengshenzhenglu
            hengshenzhenglu 1 September 2020 10: 28 New
            +2
            Thank you for letting me know!

            Thanks for letting me know!
        2. solzh
          solzh 3 September 2020 12: 24 New
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          Quote: hengshenzhenglu
          reading recommendations on price cuts during the Stalinist period?

          Go to the site http://stalinism.ru/ This site has a lot of interesting things. You should also read the Stalin textbook on political economy.
          I translate with the help of Google translate because I am not friends with English))) Go to the site http://stalinism.ru/ This site has a lot of interesting things. You should also read the Stalin textbook on political economy.
    6. Vend
      Vend 27 August 2020 10: 45 New
      -16
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      all as one regarded all sorts of indexing and increments as nothing more than a mockery.

      Exactly, I have never felt these increments, inflation eats up everything, these increments and indexations are all the same, like carrying water with a sieve, there is no result.

      And what would be better if not indexed at all?
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 27 August 2020 11: 06 New
        +7
        For some reason, everyone thinks that the increase in the retirement age was done like on the "recommendation of the IMF". Yes, the notorious IMF recommended raising the retirement age, but only, "recommended". Moreover, he recommended it since the time of Yeltsin. But Mr. Kudrin "pushed through-lobbied" this increase. It is he who is the ideologist and, in many cases, the author of all the last "transformations" in our life.
        1. Vend
          Vend 27 August 2020 11: 11 New
          -6
          Quote: Snail N9
          For some reason, everyone thinks that the increase in the retirement age was done like on the "recommendation of the IMF". Yes, the notorious IMF recommended raising the retirement age, but only, "recommended". Moreover, he recommended it since the time of Yeltsin. But Mr. Kudrin "pushed through-lobbied" this increase. It is he who is the ideologist and, in many cases, the author of all the last "transformations" in our life.

          Well, Kudrin's enemy has long been known, as they say, keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer. I think Kudrin by his decisions should discredit himself to such an extent that there will be no place for him among officials. And then they will calmly remove him from the stage. If Kudrin leads the opposition instead of Navalny, it will be a more serious enemy.
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 27 August 2020 11: 28 New
            +9
            This gentleman, in fact, is the so-called head of the "economic wing" in the Kremlin, the "builder" of the so-called "kudrinomics" in Russia, by the way, the current prime minister is from his "glorious cohort" of his last pupils ...
            1. solzh
              solzh 3 September 2020 12: 42 New
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              Quote: Snail N9
              This gentleman, in fact, is the so-called head of the "economic wing" in the Kremlin "builder" of the so-called "kudrinomics" in Russia

              He is not a "builder", he is the successor of Gaidar's cause yes
        2. Arlen
          Arlen 27 August 2020 11: 50 New
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          And the IMF is a decree for us? No, he is nobody to us, and it does not matter who lobbied for the law, the enemy of the people Kudrin or someone else. It is important that the law on raising the retirement age was adopted and approved by the deputies and the President of the Russian Federation.
        3. sergo
          sergo 27 August 2020 13: 20 New
          10
          Yeah, but Putin did not bend and did not bend, and then once and bend. Don't tell my sneakers. All of them together, led by Putin, are pushing for this reform. The people were brought up so that they thought that the tsar is good, and the boyars are bad. Although they are all there the same field of berries.
          1. solzh
            solzh 3 September 2020 12: 25 New
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            Quote: sergo
            the king is good, but the boyars are bad

            If the tsar is good, then the boyars must also be good. A good king selects good boyars.
            If the boyars are bad, then the king cannot be good wink
        4. New
          New Year day 27 August 2020 22: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: Snail N9
          But "pushed-lobbied" this increase - Mr. Kudrin

          just took and pushed Putin like that? laughing
        5. solzh
          solzh 3 September 2020 12: 24 New
          24
          Quote: Snail N9
          For some reason, everyone thinks that the increase in the retirement age was done like on the "recommendation of the IMF".

          I don’t know how about everyone, but personally I and my friends don’t think so. We are simply sure that the promotion is only the work of our authorities and no one else.
    7. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 28 August 2020 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      there is action, no result

      You need to be sympathetic to their attempts, otherwise they will be offended and will further increase the retirement period.
      Although I think that all the same they will throw a heel on
      1. solzh
        solzh 3 September 2020 12: 26 New
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        Quote: Qwertyarion
        Although I think that all the same they will throw a heel on

        Think not think about it, but with the retirement age we were all bent.
        1. Qwertyarion
          Qwertyarion 3 September 2020 14: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: solzh
          Think not think, but with the retirement age we were all bent

          Yeah uzhzhzh ......, damn it.
          But there is still a lot of fun and interesting things ahead in the maneuvers of pension reforms.
    8. solzh
      solzh 3 September 2020 12: 17 New
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      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      I have never felt an increase

      My mother also does not feel an increase in her modest pension. All my life to work and receive small crumbs ...
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 August 2020 10: 08 New
    +8
    We consider: the fixed part of the pension in the countryside is 5684 rubles today.

    In this situation, this is the purposeful destruction of the village.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 27 August 2020 10: 26 New
      12
      Quote: tihonmarine
      We consider: the fixed part of the pension in the countryside is 5684 rubles today.

      In this situation, this is the purposeful destruction of the village.

      So it is .. and not only villages ..
      Over the past 20 years, 23 cities, rural towns and villages have disappeared from the map of Russia.
      Over the past 10 years, the population in the Far East has decreased by 40% and by 60% in the Far North.
      Every year, Russia loses in population the whole region equal to the Pskov Republic or a republic the size of Karelia, or such a large city as Krasnodar.
      Every minute 5 people die in Russia, only 3. The mortality rate exceeds the birth rate by 1,7 times, in some regions - by 2-3 times.
      Every year 26 children do not reach the age of 000, 10 babies die every day, 50% of them - in maternity hospitals.

      In the world ranking in terms of mortality, Russia is in 12th place from the end in the neighborhood of Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Chad, Somalia.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 August 2020 10: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        Over the past 10 years, the population in the Far East has decreased by 40% and by 60% in the Far North.

        Ashalet !!!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 27 August 2020 10: 39 New
          +7
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Svarog
          Over the past 10 years, the population in the Far East has decreased by 40% and by 60% in the Far North.

          Ashalet !!!

          This is what we are talking about and how a person can stand up for such results of power, that's what surprises .. while they still consider themselves patriots ..
      2. Woodman
        Woodman 27 August 2020 11: 20 New
        -13
        Quote: Svarog
        Over the past 10 years, the population in the Far East has decreased by 40% and by 60% in the Far North.


        The resident population in the Far North and localities equated to them in 2010 was 10 169 962

        A little more than 11,5 million people live in the Far North of Russia (8% of the population of Russia [14])
        is the year 2019

        The population of the Far Eastern Federal District as of January 1, 2012 was estimated at 6,27 million people; this is 0,3% less than in 2011

        The population of the Okrug, according to Rosstat, is 8 people. (169).



        Quote: Svarog
        Over the past 20 years, 23 cities, rural towns and villages have disappeared from the map of Russia.

        The settlements of Russia are coded in the All-Russian Classifier of Territories of Municipal Formations (OKTMO), according to which there are 156 settlements in the country.
        2019 year
        2002 Census - Cities 1098, Urban-type settlements 1842, Rural settlements 155 289 total 158 229
        Of course, I'm not hinting at anything ... but it's not as bad as you would like.
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 27 August 2020 12: 21 New
          -2
          Well, about Gorbachev's pension, be he not okay ...
          At the end of December 2019, "Arguments and Facts" released a sensational note on the amount of Mikhail Gorbachev's pension. According to AiF journalists, the former president of the USSR receives more than 800 thousand rubles a month.

          Where does this figure come from? Journalists mentioned that in the 1990s, Gorbachev was given a pension of 40 minimum wages. In 2019, the Russian minimum wage was 11 rubles, and in this case 280 of these minimum wages is 40 rubles.

          But the journalists decided to go further and for some reason took the then regional minimum wage in Moscow as the basis of their calculations - 20 195 rubles. When multiplied by 40, it turns out 807 800 rubles.

          The Moscow minimum wage has nothing to do with a federal pensioner and cannot have anything, but who cares? The larger the number, the more interesting - the information quickly spread through other media outlets, and the shocked Russians once again began to curse the retired politician who was unloved by the majority.

          Meanwhile, the calculations of "AIF" were too free. A simple check shows that all this is an outright fake.


          We took data on the percentage of indexation of labor and social pensions from 2002 to 2020 on the website of the Russian Pension Fund. Information about indexing from 2002 to 2009 is taken here, data for 2010-2020 - on this page.

          Let's calculate the size of Mikhail Gorbachev's pension by years, taking into account each of the indexations that have passed over these 18 years:
          So, at the moment, the amount of Mikhail Gorbachev's pension is 87 rubles a month. From April 014, 1, it will grow to 2020 rubles.
      3. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 27 August 2020 12: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: tihonmarine
        We consider: the fixed part of the pension in the countryside is 5684 rubles today.

        In this situation, this is the purposeful destruction of the village.

        So it is .. and not only villages ..
        Over the past 20 years, 23 cities, rural towns and villages have disappeared from the map of Russia.
        Over the past 10 years, the population in the Far East has decreased by 40% and by 60% in the Far North.
        Every year, Russia loses in population the whole region equal to the Pskov Republic or a republic the size of Karelia, or such a large city as Krasnodar.
        Every minute 5 people die in Russia, only 3. The mortality rate exceeds the birth rate by 1,7 times, in some regions - by 2-3 times.
        Every year 26 children do not reach the age of 000, 10 babies die every day, 50% of them - in maternity hospitals.

        In the world ranking in terms of mortality, Russia is in 12th place from the end in the neighborhood of Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Chad, Somalia.

        And in this "paradise" you "call RB"?
        I don't understand you Russians ...
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 28 August 2020 17: 32 New
          +2
          Yes, comrades Belarusians, it is to this paradise that we are pulling you.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 September 2020 12: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Russia is in 12th place from the end next to Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Chad, Somalia.

        I saw it in these African countries, but I could not even think of Russia being next to them.
    2. mole
      mole 27 August 2020 11: 25 New
      +9
      Quote: tihonmarine
      We consider: the fixed part of the pension in the countryside is 5684 rubles today.

      In this situation, this is the purposeful destruction of the village.

      So Sobyanin announced that there are a lot of superfluous people in the village! Here with the "superfluous" guardians are struggling tirelessly. The village will be finished in one generation.
      All urgently to move to Moscow! There are no superfluous in Moscow, only useful ones. Or is it time to go to Moscow !?
      I am not calling anyone to anything.
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 28 August 2020 11: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Mole
        All urgently to move to Moscow! There are no superfluous in Moscow, only useful ones. Or is it time to go to Moscow !?
        I am not calling anyone to anything.

        When the situation in the country is difficult and everyone says: "It's time to blame." The liberal asks "Where?", And the patriot asks "Whom?"
    3. solzh
      solzh 3 September 2020 12: 26 New
      24
      Quote: tihonmarine
      it is the targeted destruction of the village.

      Does the neo-bourgeoisie need a village? No, the neo-bourgeoisie needs farmers, but not the countryside.
  3. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 August 2020 10: 09 New
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    Oh, these pensioners! They live long and are not going to die. Officials have one headache from them. am (sarcasm).
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 27 August 2020 10: 17 New
      14
      Don't tell me, Vladimir Nikolaevich. The impression is that they want to exterminate us as a class. Sarcasm. Although ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 August 2020 10: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        Don't tell me, Vladimir Nikolaevich. The impression is that they want to exterminate us as a class.

        For any state, pensioners and children are a burden. Do not be surprised if you are not the only one.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 27 August 2020 10: 44 New
          +8
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Don't tell me, Vladimir Nikolaevich. The impression is that they want to exterminate us as a class.

          For any state, pensioners and children are a burden. Do not be surprised if you are not the only one.

          For any capitalist state .. children and pensioners are a burden .. but under the USSR, young people are dear to us everywhere, old people are always honored with us ..
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 August 2020 11: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: Svarog
            For any capitalist state .. children and pensioners are a burden .. and under the Soviet Union, young people are dear to us everywhere, old people are always honored.

            This is the answer for all doubters. I approve.
          2. your1970
            your1970 1 September 2020 17: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: Svarog
            and under the USSR, young people are dear to us everywhere, old people are always honored with us.
            Well, let's not say everywhere ... in MGIMO without having relatives of diplomats - it was not possible to enter in principle. And there were many such institutions throughout the country
            Well, about collective farm pensions - my great-grandmother with 56 years of work experience had 12 rubles collective farm pension ... 6 ruble pensioner neighbors envied her - "Rich girl !!"

            That under the USSR, that now there was and is a bunch Slogans - which no one has ever performed and will not perform
    2. solzh
      solzh 3 September 2020 12: 27 New
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      Quote: vladimirvn
      Oh, these pensioners! They live long and are not going to die. Officials have one headache from them. am (sarcasm).

      It would be great for officials if the retirement age was completely abolished ... Then they would be very happy ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 3 September 2020 13: 39 New
        0
        Quote: solzh
        It would be great for officials if the retirement age was completely abolished ...

        Officials or ministers? The officials are very bad - they will not see pensions, a bunch of positions will be cut, the rest will be given more jobs for the same salary ...
  4. Woodman
    Woodman 27 August 2020 10: 12 New
    -2
    all as one regarded all sorts of indexing and increments as nothing more than a mockery.
    This is how these increases have always been regarded ... I never remember how it was otherwise.
    In conclusion - something like a story ... memory began to deny ... that he was ready to help young parents accompanying their children to school or kindergarten and back.
    I hope his memory does not fail so much that he will forget about the children or bring them to the wrong kindergarten or school, or to other people's parents ...
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 27 August 2020 11: 00 New
      -1
      his memory is not so denied that he will forget about the children or bring them to the wrong kindergarten or school, or to other people's parents ...

      It doesn't matter. If a mistake happens, the next day greet them from other people's parents back to the garden, and there they will figure it out laughing
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 27 August 2020 10: 14 New
    +4
    This is a difficult topic ... one thing is clear, officials are ready to take care only of themselves, loved ones.
    Not news, of course, it is not unusual in this world.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 28 August 2020 17: 35 New
      +2
      Why, then, does a retired German or French pensioner travel the world and live for pleasure?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 August 2020 18: 04 New
        0
        Who told you, proved that everyone travels there?
        We also have a category of "workers" who can afford a lot more than everyone else ...
        In general, the statement that everything is good and beautiful everywhere .... not a fact, not a fact.
        Here's what we are NOT GOOD, for most of the people who worked and trusted the state, there is enough evidence of this, Schaub to prove it.
  6. LISTIC-FANTIC
    LISTIC-FANTIC 27 August 2020 10: 15 New
    10
    How sad it is.
    Time passes and nothing changes.
    Our grandmothers did not receive anything, only tears, now we too have grown old.
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 September 2020 12: 28 New
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      Quote: LISTYK-FANTIK
      How sad it is.

      Raising the retirement age plus small pensions is not sad, it's terrible.
  7. bandabas
    bandabas 27 August 2020 10: 19 New
    +3
    This is normal! [media = https: //www.hibiny.com/news/archive/220978/] Soon the "feeder" will arrive in Kirovsk to look at the plebs and bulge out at the base.
  8. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 August 2020 10: 21 New
    11
    Eliminate the Pension Fund as a sabotage organization. In the USSR, pensions without such a "fund" were higher and fairer.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 27 August 2020 10: 35 New
      -18
      You can generally refuse pensions, then parents will raise their children as those who will take care of their old age and adult children will show their examples, their children, show their respect in their elders, remembering their old age. We won't get more money from this, but there will be more order in our life.
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 27 August 2020 10: 53 New
        16
        Quote: Boris55
        You can refuse pensions altogether,

        How are they? Iraq, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Niger, Kenya, Nigeria, Suriname ...
        A good company, in your opinion, is this our level?
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 27 August 2020 11: 01 New
        12
        You can refuse pensions altogether, then parents will raise their children as those who will take care of their old age

        then we should give up the state too. How else to send children to the army? And if they die there, who will feed in old age?
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 27 August 2020 13: 36 New
          +3
          We have a Wonderland. We are waiting for 2024.
          1. solzh
            solzh 3 September 2020 12: 30 New
            25
            Quote: bandabas
            We are waiting for 2024.

            Do you think something will change? I doubt it ...
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 27 August 2020 11: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        You can generally refuse pensions, then parents will raise their children as those who will take care of their old age and adult children will show their examples, their children, show their respect in their elders, remembering their old age.

        Or you can simply introduce a progressive taxation scale and freeze the indexation of pensions above the average salary in the country.
        You can refuse from the FIU and pensions and let the workers themselves provide for themselves or entrust it to their children ... You can ...

        Take a break We'll all take a rest, damn it. If we start to include this 22% in the salary, then right from tomorrow it will be possible to move to a new existence - without a pension, but only starting from 2062-2067 (when today's eighteen-year-olds will live) ...
      4. solzh
        solzh 3 September 2020 12: 46 New
        24
        Quote: Boris55
        You can refuse pensions altogether

        You can also refuse pensions. But then the state will not have to be offended by the people when people give up taxes.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 August 2020 10: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: tank64rus
      Liquidate the Pension Fund

      You do not understand anything. Suggesting the elimination of hundreds of thousands of highly intelligent jobs is not very smart. Try it yourself, count your pension. There is higher mathematics. The comrades are working, unlike some.
      Quote: tank64rus
      In the USSR, pensions without such a "fund" were higher and fairer.

      To raise justice, our president recently proposed to increase the number of bailiffs. Wait a little, we will have a squirrel and a whistle, and money in the budget.
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 27 August 2020 10: 45 New
        25
        We have 111 thousand people working in the Pension Fund, and we spend on them as much as on the maintenance of two large regions. In terms of the number of employees, the Pension Fund of Russia is confidently leading. They are almost two times ahead of their colleagues from the USA. And in Japan, where the population is comparable to our country, three times fewer specialists work in the pension fund. Our deductions no longer cover salaries, business trips, office maintenance and rental of executive cars, we have to pay extra from the state budget.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 27 August 2020 10: 51 New
          16
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Russia is confidently leading. They are almost two times ahead of their colleagues from the USA. And in Japan, where the population is comparable to our country, three times fewer specialists work in the pension fund. Our deductions no longer cover salaries, business trips, office maintenance and rental of executive cars, we have to pay extra from the state budget.

          Effective managers. am And you just looked at the Pension Fund of Russia .. and if you compare it with other budget organizations .. it turns out that the retirement age could not have been raised at all and pensions should be 3 times higher ..
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 August 2020 10: 57 New
          12
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          And in Japan

          Have you seen how thin pensioners are there? They feed on the same sprat. And in our country, pensions are indexed all the time, and the staff is so large. Accounting and control, it is necessary to understand the problems of state importance. What do we need that Japan, we are well fed here too.
        3. Glory1974
          Glory1974 27 August 2020 11: 05 New
          -11
          111 thousand people work for us in the Pension Fund

          Jobs have been created. Moreover, not for the extraction of resources, but in the service sector. What's wrong? We seem to strive for this.

          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 27 August 2020 11: 29 New
            +8
            Quote: glory1974
            We seem to strive for this.

            And the one who with teeth outward, said that you are not my own with the guarantee of indefinite reign, sought to catch up with Portugal ... belay
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 27 August 2020 15: 07 New
            -5
            judging by the downsides, commentators believe that we need to cut all service workers and then we will be happy. wassat
            The only question is, whom will we leave? Everybody in factories to grind parts, or in mines for the extraction of coal or oil?
            1. AUL
              AUL 27 August 2020 18: 32 New
              +3
              Quote: glory1974
              judging by the minuses, commentators believe that it is necessary to reduce all service workers and then we will be happy

              Who thinks so? Nicky - into the studio!
          3. solzh
            solzh 3 September 2020 12: 30 New
            22
            Quote: glory1974
            We seem to strive for this.

            What are we striving for? We have no one who knows where we are going ...
        4. BAI
          BAI 27 August 2020 11: 11 New
          11


          The amount of the pension is inversely proportional to the number of PF employees. But there are not many business trips to the Pension Fund.
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 27 August 2020 11: 37 New
            +6
            Here they write that there is nothing "new" with pensions, there is a type of insignificant "indexation". But this is "for now" ... As far as I can judge from the information that flashes in various sources, a serious reform is being prepared in terms of sources of replenishment of the pension fund. That is, it is planned that contributions to the pension fund will be made in addition to the employer, also by citizens on a "voluntary-compulsory" basis, this is allegedly due to the fact that it is necessary to partially remove the tax burden from the employer. While such plans, the employer will contribute 50% to the fund and the employee himself will contribute 50%. In addition, there are plans to pass on to the employee and the rest of the social insurance already, in full ...
            1. Rokambol
              Rokambol 3 September 2020 13: 56 New
              17
              Quote: Snail N9
              In addition, there are plans to pass on to the employee and the rest of the social insurance already, in full ...

              This would be a very big mistake. yes
          2. solzh
            solzh 3 September 2020 12: 31 New
            24
            Quote: BAI
            But there are not many business trips to the Pension Fund.

            But on the other hand, its content, based on the schedule presented in your commentary, costs oh, how not cheap ...
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 27 August 2020 11: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Wait a little, we will have a squirrel and a whistle, and money in the budget.

        There are doubts about the squirrel and money in the budget, but about the whistle and the police baton - that's right! It will be, as soon as pensioners take the rights to download ...
    3. solzh
      solzh 3 September 2020 12: 29 New
      24
      Quote: tank64rus
      Eliminate the Pension Fund as a sabotage organization.

      We have a capitalist state with a bourgeois-oligarchic structure. So it won't help in this case. In the days of the USSR, we had the Soviet power, people's democracy.
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 August 2020 10: 25 New
    +7
    Vanity. And then they scratch their turnips, saying what they lack and why there is no trust in the authorities, and where do all sorts of pits of the wagon come from? Because it is not, because the authorities lie too much and constantly strive to get into their pockets. This is despite the fact that they are not given enough. Virtuosos, EPRST. winked
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 September 2020 12: 32 New
      22
      Quote: Captive
      then they scratch their turnips, they say what they lack

      A lot is missing. The main thing is confidence in the future and stability.
    2. Rokambol
      Rokambol 3 September 2020 13: 57 New
      16
      Quote: Captive
      Vanity.

      This is not a fuss. It's a mess.
  10. U-58
    U-58 27 August 2020 10: 37 New
    10
    Instead of a comment: an old anecdote:
    In church, the old woman prays fervently: Lord! Make sure that your pension is not raised! Have mercy, Lord and hear me!
    The father breaks down and asks: why, my daughter, are you asking this?
    - But how, father, not to ask? After all, they will add a penny, and prices will add tens of rubles !!!
    - What is your pension?
    - Father's pension, I have a good one, only very small ...
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  12. BAI
    BAI 27 August 2020 10: 45 New
    +5
    Most do not doubt that the annual thousand promised at the peak of the pension reform will simply be blurred under the guise of an anti-virus campaign.


    I have already seen an article where it is said that officials and ordinary people are 2 different social formations, living at different stages of social development. Officials - at 3 levels, where everything is measured in money. Therefore, their position is: "We paid, what else do you want?" Society - at 4 levels (6 levels in total) - where the main thing is the attitude towards a person. Therefore, in reality, the government lives on another planet.
    1. tatra
      tatra 27 August 2020 11: 21 New
      +8
      That's right, money. And what is the essence of all Putin's "straight lines"? People say to him, but our salaries and pensions are small, and he in response, and we allocated so much money for salaries and pensions, they say to him, but we have bad roads in the village, there is no gas, and he responded again - and here we have allocated so much money for roads and gasification. For Putin, everything is measured in money.
    2. Rokambol
      Rokambol 3 September 2020 13: 57 New
      16
      Quote: BAI
      officials and ordinary people - 2 different social formations living at different stages of social development

      I don’t know different not different social formations, but the fact that we live with officials on different planets is for sure
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 27 August 2020 11: 10 New
    10
    decided to place an ad in a local Internet chat (I will not name the locality so as not to attract competitors). What is the announcement about? Yes, that he is ready to help young parents accompanying their children to school or kindergarten and back.

    People must work to the grave, otherwise they will not survive! Our social state ..............
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 27 August 2020 11: 46 New
      +7
      Correctly, you need to work to the "last":

    2. Rokambol
      Rokambol 3 September 2020 13: 58 New
      17
      Quote: APASUS
      People must work to the grave, otherwise they will not survive!

      And besides, start working from childhood ...
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 27 August 2020 11: 23 New
    10
    I was simply "killed" by the promised indexation of pensions (from 1.07, then from 1.08) to working pensioners. In some places they even wrote about the abolition of the law suspending indexing. As a result of all the promises and promises, the wife's pension has increased AL !!! for 178 rubles. How not to remember here:

    And, really, why not laugh. We laughed at one time at French, Italian, American (even "German" repeat ) comedies with the incidents of capitalist life ... wassat
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 27 August 2020 11: 42 New
      14
      Of course you have to laugh. Laughter prolongs life. I love pictures with funny, laughing people.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 29 August 2020 13: 46 New
        -1
        Snitch! Laughing is good, but you need to know when to stop. And it is time to take these cheerful faces seriously, in the elections.
      2. solzh
        solzh 3 September 2020 12: 35 New
        23
        Quote: Snail N9
        Of course you have to laugh

        Just there is no need to laugh ... Life is such that it is not fun to laugh ... Laugh for no reason, you yourself know the sign of what.
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  16. veritas
    veritas 27 August 2020 13: 48 New
    +1
    I watched the program, where the Nightingale claims that the number of pensioners is greatly manipulated, they add several million and earn money on that.
  17. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 27 August 2020 13: 53 New
    +8
    Let the zaputintsy minus me again, that I will express THANKS The authors of the article for the problem raised ... but everything, as described in the article, is the truth of life ...

    Pensioners did not give up to the Government of the Russian Federation ... All the words about improving the well-being of pensioners after the pension reform are just words ... all sorts of "pension increases" are really a mockery ... only over the last year - only an increase in prices for housing and communal services, bread and milk (I'm not talking about the increase in the price of medicines) - they gobbled up all kinds of supplements to the pension am

    There is a systematic genocide against pensioners ... crying
    1. Roman246810
      Roman246810 28 August 2020 09: 39 New
      +1
      all sorts of "pension increases"


      "Let me pay your salary not 12 months a year, but only 10 months ..
      But do not be afraid, I will recalculate in such a way that you will receive more and live well .. The main thing is to give up the 2-month salary in my favor "

      Here is about such a golny and frank divorce we have ..
    2. AK1972
      AK1972 28 August 2020 12: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Crown without virus
      Let the Zaputins minus me again

      And they just have to minus. Something is not visible comments of our regular putriots and "statesmen". And how did they sing like nightingales about the urgent need to raise the penny. age and adoption of amendments to the Constitution. Well, dear ones, write how your pension and welfare in general have increased dramatically! What, they got the money and don't pay the trolls anymore, but don't want to collect the minus for free?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 29 August 2020 13: 42 New
        +1
        And they did their job, they received the silver coins. Now other topics are being worked out.
      2. Rokambol
        Rokambol 3 September 2020 13: 58 New
        16
        Quote: AK1972
        how the nightingales were singing about the urgent need to raise the penny. age and adoption of amendments to the Constitution

        They have nothing to answer. They themselves understand everything, but they just cannot admit it ...
  18. Dimy4
    Dimy4 27 August 2020 13: 59 New
    +7
    The motto "Help the state - die before retirement!" as relevant as ever.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 29 August 2020 13: 41 New
      +1
      Yes, we do not have any state, there is an organized criminal group that pretends to be it.
    2. Rokambol
      Rokambol 3 September 2020 13: 59 New
      17
      Quote: Dimy4
      The motto "Help the state - die before retirement!"

      They won't wait. In spite of them I will live long
  19. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 27 August 2020 19: 23 New
    +2
    they added 251 rubles to me 11001 pension, also tell Putin well, the poor fellow knows nothing of all of them, on every pole around the garden ring
  20. lapwings
    lapwings 27 August 2020 21: 42 New
    +3
    The budget will be saved on pensioners: the government has laid down an almost zero increase in real pensions in the 10-year plan.
    From 2022, in real terms (taking into account inflation), pensions are planned to be increased by only 0,4-0,6%. The purchasing power of retirees will grow by one dollar a year.
    1. Roman246810
      Roman246810 28 August 2020 09: 35 New
      +3
      The budget will save on retirees

      The fool understands - the retirement age was not raised in order for pensioners to live better ..
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 29 August 2020 13: 37 New
        -2
        Half of the country is either incomprehensible, or all on a drum.
  21. Roman246810
    Roman246810 28 August 2020 09: 33 New
    +4
    And what about our new Constitution ?? What fruit has it brought us ??
    Voted ?? Well eat now, yo ...
    It's sad that because of some prostitutes the whole country suffers ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 29 August 2020 13: 36 New
      -1
      I subscribe, I myself constantly speak about it, Roman. But it never reaches them.
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 29 August 2020 13: 35 New
    -1
    I asked a lot of friends and acquaintances who are now over sixty or so, and everyone, as one, regarded various kinds of indexing and increments as nothing more than a mockery.

    And they are mockery! As well as the "surprise" of the then Deputy Prime Minister Shuvalov. that stupid people are buying apartments with an area (total!) of twenty square meters.
  23. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 August 2020 15: 51 New
    +1
    Indexation is compensation for lost money in the past year.
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 3 September 2020 14: 00 New
      17
      Quote: nikvic46
      Indexing is compensation

      Only indexation does not compensate for the money lost over the past year ...
  24. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 30 August 2020 08: 13 New
    0
    The time will come when membership in the United Russia party will be seen as an indelible stigma!