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The caliber of the gun of the T-14 Armata tank is proposed to be increased

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Experts suggest installing a new uninhabited turret and an increased caliber cannon on the T-14 Armata tank. In their opinion, it should be 152 mm. At the moment, the gun has a caliber of 125 mm.


This was reported by the news agency TASS with reference to the data of the 38th Research and Testing Institute of Armored Weapons and Military Equipment (BTVT).

In addition, the "Armata" will need new types of ammunition. In particular, the tank should be armed with hypersonic armor-piercing projectiles and volumetric blast ammunition, and guided missiles should be added to its arsenal, operating on the principle of "fire, forget and fire again."

It is also proposed to equip the T-14 with airborne drones, which would conduct reconnaissance and relay signals.

For better protection, they want to install a complex for remote neutralization of homing anti-tank weapons and a system for detecting and hitting targets in tank-hazardous areas in automatic mode located at a distance of 1 km from tank... In addition, the T-14 will be protected by a laser anti-guided anti-tank guided missile system and a complex for the remote neutralization of anti-tank mines.

The need for such modernization is due to the fact that a potential enemy by the 2030s is able to create a new generation of armored vehicles.

It should be noted that talks about the possibility of equipping the T-14 "Armata" tank with a 152 mm cannon have been going on for a long time - in fact, from the moment when the first news about the creation of a new generation tank in our country appeared. However, until now, the concept with a 152-mm cannon for the T-14 has not been implemented.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 26 August 2020 09: 40 New
    15
    The service life of the tank was determined until 2050. There, according to experts, it will become hopelessly outdated. Now 2020. And he is not in the troops. But there is endless modernization. Wouldn't it be better to start production first, and then upgrade the SERIAL tank?
    1. Temples
      Temples 26 August 2020 09: 45 New
      0
      In their opinion, it should be 152 mm. At the moment, the gun has a caliber of 125 mm.

      You can also rearrange the numbers.
      Let there be caliber 512! fellow
      Tsar Tank with Tsar Cannon from Tseriteli. laughing

      Doctor, give me pills for greed. Yes, more! laughing

      Then increase the width of the tracks.
      Then increase the engine power.
      The main thing is not to start up the series.
      Always redo.

      They are not "specialists".
      They are either collectors or pests.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 26 August 2020 09: 49 New
        +9
        406-MM SELF-PROPELLED GUN OF SPECIAL POWER SM-54 "CONDENSATOR-2P" (2A3)
        And what, first of all, it's beautiful ... laughing
        1. Temples
          Temples 26 August 2020 10: 06 New
          +3
          The photo is gorgeous. good
          LOOKING that the trunk is 20 meters long.
          Judging by the photo, the barrel should outweigh the self-propelled gun. laughing

          WEST! good
          1. TANKISTONE
            TANKISTONE 26 August 2020 21: 24 New
            0
            "Luka Mudishchev"?
      2. Errr
        Errr 26 August 2020 10: 08 New
        +1
        I personally liked
        and also add guided missiles to its arsenal, operating on the principle of "fire, forget and fire again"
        ie
        I do not remember that I did it or did it ...
        laughing laughing laughing
        1. Temples
          Temples 26 August 2020 10: 20 New
          +3
          There is another option:
          Shot, forgot and shot again:

          This is who smokes what. laughing
          1. TANKISTONE
            TANKISTONE 26 August 2020 21: 26 New
            +1
            "Tank Biathlon" at the Chuya Valley training ground? "And the day lasts longer than a century" of modernization of a new tank ...
      3. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 26 August 2020 11: 28 New
        +1
        If we put 512 caliber at once, then what will they be doing for the next 30 years.
        Better to slowly master the budget
      4. Fmax
        Fmax 26 August 2020 11: 31 New
        -2
        Don't talk nonsense. It was decided that a promising tank needed 152 mm even during the Soviet Union. And actually Europeans and Americans are already quite puzzled by the replacement of their 120mm caliber.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 August 2020 09: 47 New
      -1
      Why do we need a completely new tank for 30 years? ...
      1. BAI
        BAI 26 August 2020 10: 15 New
        -5
        30 years left. How long have they been fiddling with?
        1. BAI
          BAI 26 August 2020 14: 16 New
          +1
          For those who do not like the term of 30 years - see yesterday's news about a tank with an electrochemical cannon to replace the Armata:
          The NII BTVT says that the T-14 "Armata" tank will remain effective until about the middle of the 2040st century (until the XNUMXs), but at the moment it is necessary to work on new versions of armored vehicles for the Russian armed forces.

          The armature has not been launched yet, but they are already replacing it.
    3. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 26 August 2020 09: 47 New
      -3
      Wouldn't it be better to start serial first
      In order to launch it into a series, it must satisfy the demands of the military, and if it is more expensive and more complex and does not have any special advantages, what is the point? As an option, compared to the existing line of tanks, 152 mm can give an advantage in firepower.
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 26 August 2020 10: 57 New
        -1
        And why the heck this increased power of the gun, 125 mm is enough. They created, you know, an expensive toy - the defense industry is certainly good if you sell it, But for the warriors T90 with all sorts of letters and even, scary, T72, too, with letters, quite nothing - up to 35 g is quite enough, against the background of all sorts of Abrams with leopards.

        Superpuper Su57, and even with "product 30", also seemed to be redundant and certainly very expensive than Su35, which in the air with all the fancy stuff for much less money can cope
        1. Cananecat
          Cananecat 26 August 2020 11: 24 New
          +2
          Here is the situation ... the proposers do not hope for breaking through the frontal armor of Abrams, and at least the tower will be demolished for sure)))
          1. TANKISTONE
            TANKISTONE 26 August 2020 21: 33 New
            0
            Or jam
    4. bar
      bar 26 August 2020 10: 00 New
      -2
      Wouldn't it be better to start production first, and then upgrade the SERIAL tank?

      What is the point of launching a raw product into a batch? Does your budget have a lot of extra money? And the better the modernization serial tank? The same increased costs for the constant changeover of serial production for a constantly changing design? And what is the stern need to supply "armature" to the troops of the direct line? Is someone attacking us?
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 26 August 2020 10: 02 New
        +5
        that is, you have to wait for an attack to adopt the new technology?
        1. Temples
          Temples 26 August 2020 10: 10 New
          -3
          Quote: bar
          And what is the stern need to supply "armature" to the troops of the direct line? Is someone attacking us?

          Perhaps no one is attacking us because of the fact that a lot is supplied to the troops of the "straight line"?
          How do you like this? wink
          1. bar
            bar 26 August 2020 10: 18 New
            -2
            Perhaps no one is attacking us because of the fact that a lot is supplied to the troops of the "straight line"?
            How do you like this?

            No slogans needed. You did not discover America with this layout. The reasons why they do not attack us are well known to everyone, and to the probable enemy too. And one of the reasons is reasonable sufficiency, which is especially important for our not very vigorous economy.
            1. Temples
              Temples 26 August 2020 10: 53 New
              -4
              Quote: bar
              which is especially important for our not very vigorous economy.

              This is the most popular slogan.

              Now, if the people who are responsible for the economy, those who start these people, who finance everyone, as well as bankers and industrialists, put toilet bowls in their homes and not connect pipes to the toilet bowls.
              So that the shit remains where these great people put it.
              And to explain this is not a very vigorous economy.

              Create a direct relationship.

              Only it is not realistic.

              And the slogans work.

              So you write:

              Quote: bar
              The reasons why they do not attack us are well known to everyone, and to the probable enemy too.


              Are our guys at war in Syria?
              Maybe in Donbass the militias are holding back the Natsik nuclear weapons?

              Or is it not considered?

              The Turks shot down our plane without fear of nuclear weapons.
              1. bar
                bar 26 August 2020 11: 07 New
                -4
                which is especially important for our not very vigorous economy.

                This is the most popular slogan.

                Unfortunately, this is not a slogan, but the truth of life sad

                Are our guys at war in Syria?
                Maybe in Donbass the militias are holding back the Natsik nuclear weapons?

                In Syria, the Nazis, the Turks have real opponents for the "Armata"?
                Get off the armored car and finish the demagogy.
              2. user
                user 26 August 2020 20: 30 New
                0
                Or is it not considered?


                It doesn't count. Well, they will put it into production, but the tank has not been run in, in reality there were no armed clashes with an equivalent enemy. Now the caliber is being increased, NATO is also thinking about 140 mm. And the high-explosive action of 152 mm is much more powerful than 125 mm, if anyone is interested, let him consult with the gunners. A drone on board is generally a leap in tank building, if someone has forgotten what we have with drones, the more drums are not very good.
                So it turns out, launch it now into a series and we will have a large number of modifications in the near future. Which is very bad for the real operation and maintenance of armored vehicles ..
                So all these aforementioned moaning from not a very big mind, I'm not talking about the financial component, taking into account how many tanks in the Russian Federation are being mothballed ..
        2. bar
          bar 26 August 2020 10: 11 New
          -2
          that is, you have to wait for an attack to adopt the new technology?

          There is no need to wait, it is necessary to work out and refine the design, and not spend unnecessary money on launching a crude series with a bunch of subsequent crap and costs, including factory specialists, on fine-tuning in parts of already released samples. It is necessary to use new equipment thoughtfully, especially since there are no reasons for fuss yet, and the international situation allows. Yes, and the T-72 ... 90 riveted quite enough, and they quite cope with the existing threats.
          1. Temples
            Temples 26 August 2020 10: 28 New
            0
            Quote: bar
            There is no need to wait, you need to work out and refine the design, and not spend unnecessary money on launching a crude

            I don't understand one
            Do high school graduates do tech?

            Why do you need an engine that stalls?
            Why do you need a transmission that wedges.
            What is this nonsense about "childhood diseases"?

            Try to sell a car with childhood illnesses like this.

            Why are our production workers so easy to sell outright marriage to the military?

            Just don't talk about innovations and other rubbish.

            They steam up the bullshit, and then they bring it up for 10 years.

            The tank is beautiful, all so new, but it doesn't work.

            So make it work first and then blow the fanfare.

            It's good that there were tens of thousands of tanks in the Soviet Army. Now they are being modernized.
            And then what?
            What will happen in 10 years?
            10 years will fly by like one day. Anyone over 40 will understand what I mean.

      2. BAI
        BAI 26 August 2020 10: 10 New
        -1
        Because any idea should function in a case, not in principle. It is better to have a crude, but really working new tank in service than a well-oiled one, but which is not.
        Moreover, in real operation, unaccounted for problems and wishes will still come out, and further modernization will be inevitable. Like T-72, 80, 90. How many modifications do they already have?
      3. jovanni
        jovanni 26 August 2020 10: 18 New
        +2
        When they attack, it will be too late to deliver anything. Now is not the 41st year, you cannot hide factories in Siberia ...
        1. bar
          bar 26 August 2020 10: 45 New
          -2
          When they attack, it will be too late to deliver anything. Now is not the 41st year, you cannot hide factories in Siberia ...

          Precisely, that is not the 41st. Who will attack? If Islamists are terrorists, then “armata” is clearly redundant against them. And if NATO attacks, the Armata is clearly powerless against the "trident".
          By the way, small Britain is going to abandon tanks altogether.
          1. Alf
            Alf 26 August 2020 19: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: bar
            And if NATO attacks, the Armata is clearly powerless against the "trident".

            Does NATO's Rapid Strike Strategy say anything? Knock out our strategic nuclear forces, and then you can at least fight with the Shermans.
      4. georgiigennadievitch
        georgiigennadievitch 26 August 2020 12: 58 New
        +2
        In fact, everything is learned in comparison. The supostat quickly prepares a "leopard" with a 130 mm gun, a "leclerc" with a 140 mm. There is no doubt that this is their answer to our "armada". Another thing is that we have a way out armada in the series is impermissibly delayed. Whether our "craftsmen" have not enough skills, or the MO has money. No matter how we have to hang out the slogan of the Stalinist times "catch up and overtake." is not going to, but perhaps you won't "squeeze" anything out of them, compared to the same foe. But they will become obsolete every year faster and the time will come when they will have to be sent for remelting. And then what? then both we and NATO should have new tanks to replace them. The caliber, firepower, sights, etc. of our new tank must be compared with the latest models of NATO countries. Therefore, the release of an armada with a 125mm gun looks reasonable. In addition, it must be borne in mind that it was in Soviet times that tanks, new for those times, were produced in many thousands of pieces, but now, at best, in hundreds. One or two, maybe three tank regiments at most. And since all our arms factories are paramount. targets, and there are no backup factories, and there is no point in evacuating them to Siberia, then without a stock of military equipment created in advance, we may find ourselves in a very difficult situation.
    5. halpat
      halpat 26 August 2020 10: 51 New
      +1
      read the article
      not just an Armata T-14 tank, but a real Wunderwaffe.
      can it finally adopt it, and only then improve it, if there is such potential?
      No?
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 August 2020 15: 48 New
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Wouldn't it be better to start production first, and then upgrade the SERIAL tank?

      There is a very big question, what caliber the army needs on such a tank. Disputes have been going on since the 15th year, although even under the USSR it was clearly and intelligibly proved that 152 mm was needed, because the possibilities of modernizing the projectile itself are much higher than that of 125.
      As for obsolescence ... it has already been announced that they have begun to develop a tank of the future to replace the Armata right now.
      But these 30 years have to be lived somehow, right? And the modernization potential of the T-14 must not be forgotten.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 26 August 2020 09: 43 New
    -3
    Perhaps the customer of the banquet (MO) considers that 152 mm is excessive at the moment?
    And to introduce new calibers is unprofitable.
    Zabugorniks 130-140 mm are cut down.
    It is believed that Armata will have enough.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 August 2020 09: 52 New
      -1
      While foreigners have 120mm l55 ..... our tax 2a82. Which is not massively. It will be enough for them, taking into account the equipment of the KAZ, the carrying capacity of their machines will allow it.
  3. 501Legion
    501Legion 26 August 2020 09: 43 New
    -4
    Well, what's wrong with the fact that they are already thinking about the prospect of modernization. will go to the troops, there will already be a fully worked out tank, while it will serve, the new tower and cannon will be worked out. why are you whining, everything is always wrong for you ... you want a thousand at once.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 26 August 2020 09: 52 New
      +2
      At this rate, he will enter the troops very, very soon. Do you think it's easy to create a new down, the most cunning ammunition, and weld a couple of brackets for drones? This is again 5-7 years, then again tests, and then some other pribluds will want to put it all over again. Imagine if everyone waited and waited, waited and waited when creating the T-72. then a new engine, then protection, then in general they would say that it would be better to take the T-90 into service. As a result, these same 72s constitute the backbone of the armored forces, because the then chiefs produced these tanks, which later (as a result of conflicts, including) modernized them, and we still use this backlog in the form of T-90s of various modifications.
    2. Temples
      Temples 26 August 2020 09: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: 501Legion
      why are you whining, everything is always wrong for you ... you want a thousand at once.

      Artyom, do you want a wife for yourself, but not right away, and then?
      Now she is 18, and will you get it later when she is 60?

      Good spoon for dinner.
      1. 501Legion
        501Legion 26 August 2020 11: 41 New
        -3
        want is not harmful.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 26 August 2020 09: 44 New
    0
    Experts propose to install a new uninhabited tower and an increased caliber cannon on the T-14 Armata tank.

    Only offer? ... but will they put it at all? ... the question is in the air.
    Chamomile charade article smile loves not loves ... quit will not quit.
  5. Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 August 2020 09: 45 New
    -2
    Make the tank two-section, and stuff anti-aircraft missiles there.
    1. BAI
      BAI 26 August 2020 10: 11 New
      +2
      They are already working in this direction. Modernization is an endless process.
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  7. Pereira
    Pereira 26 August 2020 09: 47 New
    +2
    While everything that the specialists offer will be implemented, all 10 Armats will already be sent to be smelted.
  8. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 26 August 2020 09: 49 New
    -3
    It should be noted that talks about the possibility of equipping the T-14 Armata tank with a 152 mm cannon have been going on for a long time.

    It should be noted that, with the exception of the 152 x mm cannon, all of the above options have already been implemented in Artmat.
    Article, as if from Yandex Zen. This is not the first by the way.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 26 August 2020 09: 54 New
      +1
      and drones?
      1. Errr
        Errr 26 August 2020 10: 18 New
        0
        Yes, there was a little thought there to whip up a quadcopter-type gadget flying out of the tank if necessary, like "I sit high, I look far away." smile
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 26 August 2020 10: 50 New
        0
        We planned to put the Pterodactyl.
      3. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 27 August 2020 13: 49 New
        -2
        And the UAV too.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 26 August 2020 09: 59 New
      -1
      I wonder how about loading a 152 caliber? machine? considerable "shot" then ...
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 26 August 2020 10: 09 New
    +7
    Experts suggest installing a new uninhabited turret and an increased caliber cannon on the T-14 Armata tank. In their opinion, it should be 152 mm.
    In addition, the "Armata" will need new types of ammunition. In particular, the tank should be armed with hypersonic armor-piercing projectiles and volumetric blast ammunition, and guided missiles should be added to its arsenal, operating on the principle of "fire, forget and fire again."
    It is also proposed to equip the T-14 with airborne drones, which would conduct reconnaissance and relay signals.
    For better protection, they want to install a remote neutralization complex for homing anti-tank weapons and a system for detecting and hitting targets in tank-hazardous areas in automatic mode, located at a distance of 1 km from the tank, on the Armata. In addition, the T-14 will be protected by a laser anti-guided anti-tank guided missile system and a complex for the remote neutralization of anti-tank mines.

    Somewhere I have already met all this.
    1. Olddetractor
      Olddetractor 26 August 2020 10: 38 New
      +1
      Come on. Currently, this tank is a weapon of information warfare. How it will suddenly be implemented and when is an open question. But there are real copies, which allows ... And so on
  10. iouris
    iouris 26 August 2020 10: 40 New
    +1
    Right. Let's go guys right up to 203 mm.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 26 August 2020 10: 43 New
      0
      Caliber, Caliber must be set!
  11. Maxim364364
    Maxim364364 26 August 2020 10: 55 New
    +3
    Military, turn to the experience of your ancestors, well, if you really want to put at least 152 at least 203 into a tank, well, make a couple of regiments (brigades) of breakthrough with such tanks, not massively, but for the mass scale, the 125 cannon has shown itself worthy, it will still serve.
  12. sen
    sen 26 August 2020 10: 55 New
    +1
    In addition, the "Armata" will need new types of ammunition. In particular, the tank should be armed with hypersonic armor-piercing shells and volumetric blast ammunition

    Probably not a BOV, but a thermobaric ammunition, there are differences.
    http://38niii.ru/obzory/boepripasy/156-termobaricheskie-boepripasy-chto-eto.html
  13. garri-lin
    garri-lin 26 August 2020 10: 56 New
    -2
    The only thing that is needed is a thin-walled projectile with a charge similar to the filling of the Bumblebee. An 8,5 kg bumblebee has an explosion power similar to a 152 mm projectile. What can be equated with a 125 mm projectile with a similar filling is even difficult to say.
  14. senima56
    senima56 26 August 2020 15: 29 New
    +1
    As far as I understand, we will never see the Amata in the army! For "There is no limit to perfection!" Already they started talking about "increasing the caliber of the gun" .... Then you can talk about "a new engine with improved characteristics", "new protection", "a new sighting system ...", etc. etc.
    It's like the SU-57, everything is adjusted, improved ..., and money flows, the budget is "sawed"! Probably it is convenient to bring it up, test, how to finally launch it into the series ?! fool
  15. Lew
    Lew 26 August 2020 15: 35 New
    0
    it is necessary to somehow compensate for the caliber with the mass of the tank, well, or improve the recoil mechanism so that when firing, the tank does not go back ... like the amers in the film)))
  16. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 26 August 2020 18: 11 New
    -1
    Why can't I repeat "Stalin's Fist" (B-4). I even agree to call it "Putin's Fist". It's like 203mm (8dm). The "Pion" has the same caliber, isn't it?
    Are there any specialists? Can anyone explain it or not?
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 26 August 2020 18: 59 New
      +1
      What for? It's simple. What for?
  17. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 26 August 2020 20: 00 New
    0
    A tower for Armata with a 152mm gun and various attachments and built-in equipment, weapons and instruments - it was necessary to develop simultaneously with the "classic 125mm". To work out on landfills and, if successful, launch into series and simply "change towers" - put "outdated towers" on "export Armats" soldier
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 27 August 2020 20: 09 New
    +1
    The caliber of the gun of the T-14 Armata tank is proposed to be increased
    From "Peony / Malka" to deliver? lol
  19. maiman61
    maiman61 27 August 2020 20: 19 New
    0
    We already have such a gun! And how long. If memory serves, then with "Black Eagle". The tank did not go into series production, but the gun remained, and not simple, but already sharpened and tested for a tank!
  20. Mikhail Ya2
    Mikhail Ya2 29 August 2020 20: 53 New
    0
    Now, with all this shit, we try to take off laughing