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One "Varshavyanka" and one "Lada": the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the construction of submarines

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One "Varshavyanka" and one "Lada": the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the construction of submarines

The Russian military department has signed a contract for the construction of two diesel-electric submarines of projects 636.3 Varshavyanka and 677 Lada. The agreement was signed within the framework of the Army-2020 military-technical forum.


According to the information released to the public, the Defense Ministry signed a contract with the Admiralty Shipyards for the construction of two submarines - one Varshavyanka and one Lada. The details of the agreement have not been disclosed, neither the construction time is known, nor will the submarines be built for anyone. At the same time, Admiralty Shipyards are awaiting the signing of a contract for a series of diesel-electric submarines.

The general director of "Admiralty Shipyards" Alexander Buzakov said yesterday that the contract for a series of submarines of project 636.3 will allow the company to avoid idle capacity. According to him, already next year some of the shipyard's capacities will be free, but the Ministry of Defense has not yet decided on the construction of the next series of "Varshavyankas" for the Baltic fleet.

Well, we can conclude already this year. Well, the most extreme is the following. In 2021, already certain types of production will be free

- he said.

It should be reminded that Admiralty Shipyards have built a series of six Project 636.3 Varshavyanka submarines for the Black Sea Fleet, and a series of Varshavyanka submarines for the Pacific Fleet is currently under construction. It was planned that in 2020 the Ministry of Defense will conclude a new contract with the enterprise for another series of submarines for the Baltic Fleet.


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  1. Orange
    Orange bigg 26 August 2020 08: 48 New
    +3
    It's time to start serial production of the 4th generation Lada-class submarines. In a year, the first serial 677Ds are to be handed over to the fleet.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 26 August 2020 09: 34 New
      0
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      It's time to start serial production of the 4th generation Lada class submarines

      So it has already begun.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 26 August 2020 08: 50 New
    +9
    677 "Lada

    I did not understand whether VNEU (air-independent power plant) was finished or not?
    There was no dancing there.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 26 August 2020 08: 52 New
      0
      They promise by the end of 23 reptiles. It is planned to install it on the P750b submarine.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 26 August 2020 08: 54 New
        0
        "Lada" is she also from VNEU?
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 26 August 2020 08: 58 New
          +2
          So far, alas and ah.
      2. rudolff
        rudolff 26 August 2020 09: 01 New
        +1
        Only these P750B, like all other Malachite submarines of smaller displacement, did not interest anyone, there is not a single order.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 26 August 2020 09: 03 New
          -4
          How can there be an order if this project in the present has not yet jumped off the Whatman paper?
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 26 August 2020 09: 19 New
            +2
            We and Cupids at exhibitions, salons offer with VNEU, which does not exist.
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 26 August 2020 09: 25 New
              -3
              And the hedgehog until the snake?
              1. rudolff
                rudolff 26 August 2020 09: 38 New
                +2
                Moreover, on the Amur, there should be a Rubin installation, not a Malakhit one.
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 26 August 2020 09: 46 New
                  0
                  I would like VNEU to be everywhere, and what? The conversation is about the emergence of VNEU in principle, and not in particular specifically on the given boat.
                  1. rudolff
                    rudolff 26 August 2020 10: 00 New
                    +2
                    The fact of the matter is that there are only conversations, and there was no installation, and no. As there are no LIABs, which Rubin also sculpts with the same result. I will sooner believe that Malachite will bring his turbine to its head faster. Maybe Rubinovskaya would now stand on Ladakh, if not for the 2014 sanctions. All agreements with the Germans on the supply of fuel cells flew into the basket.
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer 26 August 2020 12: 42 New
                      -1
                      Here the question is different, the Moscow Region is not very satisfied with the electrochemical VNEU "Rubin", and the matter arose on the "handbrake". Let me remind you that Malachite has a gas turbine.
        2. Fizik M
          Fizik M 29 August 2020 12: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: rudolff
          Only these P750B, like all other Malachite submarines of smaller displacement, did not interest anyone, there is not a single order.

          the late Pashin, when asked by journalists what is the reason that Piranhas are not exported, answered very accurately - IN MALAKHIT
      3. Orange
        Orange bigg 26 August 2020 09: 07 New
        -4
        Quote: newbie
        They promise by the end of 23 reptiles. It is planned to install it on the P750b submarine.

        No, they are doing VNEU for the Lada submarine. They promise to complete the creation of VNEU for submarines of the Lada 2021D class in 2022-677. There are orders for these submarines from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and they are being built, and the P750b is a project developed on the personal initiative of Malachite and is unlikely to be of interest RF Ministry of Defense.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 26 August 2020 09: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          They are doing VNEU for the Lada submarine. They promise to complete it in 2021-2022

          It may well be, but in the article
          The Russian military department has signed a construction contract two diesel-electric submarines projects 636.3 "Varshavyanka" and 677 "Lada".

          Those. VNEU will not be placed on these boats if the journalists have not messed up anything again.
        2. newcomer
          newcomer 26 August 2020 09: 13 New
          -2
          "Rubinovskaya" VNEU at the stage of bench tests. They promise to supply the B585 project. "Rubinovskaya" _ electrochemical, "Malakhitovskaya" _ gas turbine.
          Perhaps “Rubin” will be able to complete bench tests before the end of 22.
          They plan to install "Malakhitovskaya" on the P750B.
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 26 August 2020 09: 17 New
            +2
            It has been at the stage of bench tests for almost ten years.
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 26 August 2020 09: 23 New
              -1
              “Ruby” made it in “hardware” in 18g. Bench tests are underway. It is planned to finish by 22nd.
              1. rudolff
                rudolff 26 August 2020 09: 35 New
                +7
                "Russia is completing tests of a test bench of a fundamentally new engine for non-nuclear submarines - an air-independent power plant - and is preparing to create a prototype," Andrey Dyachkov, Director General of Sevmash and the Rubin Central Design Bureau of Marine Engineering, told RIA Novosti. "
                This is news from 2011. Then there were official messages about the completion of bench tests, about the creation of a full-scale model, about the readiness to start sea trials ... And promises, promises, promises ...
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 26 August 2020 09: 43 New
                  -1
                  I am guided by Dorofeev's statement on "Army2020". This is the "Malachite" gendir.
                  1. rudolff
                    rudolff 26 August 2020 10: 28 New
                    +4
                    I have a selection of official statements regarding VNEU, LIABs and the Lada / Amur project over the past ten years. And everyone is optimistic. Even when Vysotsky freaked out about the "energy of the Second World War", and things are still there. The point is that we will buy Stirlings from the Chinese. The only hope still remains for Malachite, but they have a facility for submarines of limited displacement. Initially up to 1000 tons, now the bar has been slightly raised. Suitable for Amur-950.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 26 August 2020 10: 37 New
                      -2
                      Quote: rudolff
                      but they have installation for submarines of limited displacement.


                      And why do we need a submarine with a larger displacement?
                      1. rudolff
                        rudolff 26 August 2020 11: 03 New
                        +3
                        For the Baltic and the Black Seas, the Amur-950 submarine is quite enough. For the North and the Quiet, we need more. Starting from Amur-1650 / Lada and more. Other tasks, different cruising range, autonomy.
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 26 August 2020 11: 21 New
                        -3
                        Quote: rudolff
                        For the North and the Quiet, we need more.


                        And here more / less. What is the main task of the North Sea and Pacific submarines? Support for the deployment of NSNF and General Purpose Forces. Here and something like Cupid-550 is enough ...
                      3. rudolff
                        rudolff 26 August 2020 11: 34 New
                        +2
                        I wrote. A different scale, different requirements for cruising range, autonomy, seaworthiness, weapons. All this is linked to the submarine's displacement.
                      4. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 26 August 2020 11: 40 New
                        -3
                        It is unconvincing ... Kamchatka boats, for example, will essentially have to operate in the Avacha Bay area no further ...
                        As for me, reasonable sufficiency for the tasks mentioned above is something like "Amur-950"
                      5. rudolff
                        rudolff 26 August 2020 11: 54 New
                        +2
                        They have nothing to do in Avacha Bay.
                      6. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 26 August 2020 12: 18 New
                        -2
                        Actually, there is something. In Avacha Bay, the bay, if you like, the Americans and even the Japanese climb there ...
                      7. rudolff
                        rudolff 26 August 2020 12: 31 New
                        +2
                        In the bay, but not in the lip. Excuse me, Kirill, do you have any remote relation to the fleet?
                  2. Fizik M
                    Fizik M 29 August 2020 13: 02 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    Kamchatka boats, for example, will essentially have to operate in the Avacha Bay area no further ...

                    don't confuse your lip with the bay wink
                    in fact, 182 brpl operated up to the Indian Ocean
                  3. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 13: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Fizik M
                    don't confuse your lip with the bay

                    I was wrong, I wrote half asleep without including Moscow.
      4. newcomer
        newcomer 26 August 2020 12: 38 New
        -1
        So in the end, the selection is good, but the fact is the fact: "Ruby" is in the process of completing a stand. tests (end of 22); "Malachite" is just beginning, promises by the end of 23rd.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 26 August 2020 12: 42 New
          +3
          So the same fact was ten years ago. I cited Dyachkov's 11-year statement.
        2. newcomer
          newcomer 26 August 2020 12: 47 New
          -1
          I'm already tired of writing the same thing for the third time: Moscow Region does not want electrochemical, it wants gas turbine. The electrochemical principle of VNEU is a new word in installations.
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 29 August 2020 13: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      I have a selection of official statements regarding VNEU, LIABs and the Lada / Amur project over the past ten years. And everyone is optimistic. Even when Vysotsky freaked out about the "energy of the Second World War", and things are still there. The point is that we will buy Stirlings from the Chinese. The only hope still remains for Malachite, but they have a facility for submarines of limited displacement. Initially up to 1000 tons, now the bar has been slightly raised. Suitable for Amur-950.

      everything is much more complicated there
      We are looking for VNEU to put on boats in the early 2000s
      the problem is in the low aggregate capacity, which, taking into account our conditions (flow), called the idea into question even on a submarine of dimension 877
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 29 August 2020 13: 44 New
        +1
        Yes, theoretically they could. But this would be a highly inefficient and extremely expensive facility to operate. All dances around TE were. When they did not solve the problem with fuel cells, they thought about reforming, they added another one. The idea of ​​purchasing fuel cells in Germany was also covered. Talks about this were about the same period when in the same Germany they wanted to buy armored steel for lightly armored vehicles. Here, the regular power industry of St. Petersburg added fuel to the fire. With Halibut it would be even more difficult, all the same for 3 thousand tons of underwater. And under VNEU, an insert of a section / compartment into the hull would also be needed, 500 tons plus for a / s.
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 29 August 2020 18: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: rudolff
        But this would be a very inefficient and extremely expensive installation.

        everything was normal there - DZTs with O2 in the Dewar vessel
        but ... obviously in very insufficient power
        and with its increase, the noise level increased sharply
  • newcomer
    newcomer 26 August 2020 12: 44 New
    -1
    I wrote a little higher: "The MO is not satisfied with the Rubin electrochemical installation. Therefore:" It’s still there. "
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 26 August 2020 13: 14 New
      +2
      The MO will not be enough, since Rubin has flunked all the installation work and the prospects are vague. And Malachite has been working on his turbine for a long time and purely on an initiative basis. The P750B project is just an attempt to attract the attention of the Ministry of Defense, which has so far ignored all Malachite's attempts on this topic. Before that, the P750 had a whole bunch of other projects of small and ultra-small submarines, all with the same gas turbine installation.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 26 August 2020 13: 25 New
        -1
        Well, what am I talking about ?! Or do you just want to oppose? It would have been a long time since we had two installations, if the Ministry of Defense had not turned its nose.
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 29 August 2020 13: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: rudolff
        Project P750B, this is just an attempt to attract the attention of the Ministry of Defense

        there are very interesting weapons solutions
        including vertical ZPU for torpedoes and anti-torpedoes of 32cm caliber
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 29 August 2020 13: 50 New
          +1
          Yes, the boat is interesting enough. Malakhit's "our answer to Chamberlain", Ruby's Cupid-950 and the failed joint with the Italians S1000.
          By the way, it seems to me in vain that our Ministry of Defense ignores projects of boats in such a dimension.
        2. Fizik M
          Fizik M 30 August 2020 11: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: rudolff
          Yes, the boat is interesting enough. Malakhit's "our answer to Chamberlain", Ruby's Cupid-950 and the failed joint with the Italians S1000.

          the answer is frankly bad
          especially if there is a backlog of "Cupid"
          we put on the A-950 VNEU (even if it is "Malachite") and it covers this Malachite item like a bull sheep
        3. rudolff
          rudolff 30 August 2020 11: 53 New
          +1
          I don’t know how he covers the Malachite 750, while this is only a crude project, but I like the Amur-950. And even more than Amur-1650, although I understand that it is not entirely correct to compare them. I have already spoken here that for the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Sea, the 950th would be preferable to the Varshavyanka, and even more so to the homeless version that the Ministry of Defense ordered. The question with VNEU, to be honest, has already filled me with an ossobin. I am already mentally ripe for Chinese Stirling.
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 29 August 2020 18: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: rudolff
    and purely on a proactive basis

    it's somewhat wrong
    because the grandmother Malachite spends on this not his own (but not the Ministry of Defense)
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 30 August 2020 11: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: newbie
    I wrote a little higher: “MO is not satisfied with the Rubin electrochemical installation.

    the phrase "dissatisfied" looks very strange when applied to a device that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not finance
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 29 August 2020 13: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: newbie
    They promise by the end of 23 reptiles. It is planned to install it on the P750b submarine.

    this is an alternative to "ruby" setting
    and "completely alternative"
    because "malachite" has serious problems with aggregate power
  • cniza
    cniza 26 August 2020 08: 58 New
    +1
    The details of the agreement have not been disclosed, neither the construction time is known, nor will the submarines be built for anyone. At the same time, Admiralty Shipyards are awaiting the signing of a contract for a series of diesel-electric submarines.


    Of course you want it faster, but even so, the main thing is that they build and transfer to the fleets ...
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 30 August 2020 01: 22 New
    0
    1. Low noise 877 (636) is ensured by the fact that an electric motor (low noise) from the AB works under water.
    2. When the gas turbine VNEU is operating, what will be the noise level? Can someone explain? (I just want to understand).
    3. Will it not turn out that we will increase the underwater autonomy and lose the advantages in stealth?
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 30 August 2020 11: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: K298rtm
      1. Low noise 877 (636) is ensured by the fact that an electric motor (low noise) from the AB works under water.
      2. When the gas turbine VNEU is operating, what will be the noise level? Can someone explain? (I just want to understand).

      initially for VNEU they proceeded from the USBH 877 (and at a low-noise run)
      and that was the problem
      with the DZTs it turned out in the early 2000s, but the speed was at the level of 3 knots
      if higher (and more powerful) - they began to "ring"
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 30 August 2020 11: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: K298rtm
    will we lose the advantages in stealth?

    the message of "malachite" has the right to life - VNEU with the State Tretyakov Gallery with very high turnover
    well, their power is small
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 30 August 2020 12: 44 New
      0
      High revs of the turbine will require a "gearbox" (speaking in automotive terms), that is, you will have to reduce the revs - this is not a very low-noise mechanism (in our industrial conditions). Well, how the industry worked with noise standards - this is without comment (you yourself know).
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 30 August 2020 12: 58 New
        +1
        Will not require. The turbine there does not work on the shaft, especially the generator.
        1. K298rtm
          K298rtm 30 August 2020 18: 47 New
          +1
          1. Thus, in the current version we have (in the submerged position): an electric motor (from the AB) works on the shaft. And there will be: turbine - generator - electric motor - shaft. And all this splendor should also provide a reduction in noise compared to the 877 and 636?
          2. In the good old days (80s), a reversible converter was one of the significant sources of noise (there was such a good DS at 50 Hz).
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 30 August 2020 19: 04 New
            +1
            Such a scheme is better than a turbine on the shaft through a GTZA.
            And we have already passed the turbines. Combined cycle Walter on the 617th project. And a closed-loop diesel engine on the A615.
            1. K298rtm
              K298rtm 30 August 2020 21: 02 New
              0
              If the turbine provides only the generator - the AB charge, and the electric motor will operate only from the AB, then the scheme is acceptable (in my non-mechanical opinion).
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 31 August 2020 13: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: K298rtm
            In the good old days (80s), a reversible converter was one of the significant sources of noise (there was such a good DS at 50 Hz).

            already on the 3rd knee she was very much removed
            + static converters appeared
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 31 August 2020 13: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: K298rtm
        High revs of the turbine will require a "gearbox" (in motor language), that is, you will have to reduce revs

        no, for this a special very high-speed generator