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On the complexities of the pension reform: some were cheated, others will be paid 5 years later

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The implementation of the pension reform has faced a number of obstacles. So, the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation identified serious problems with the accrual of pensions to Russian citizens.


For many decades, the retirement age in our country was 60 years for men and 55 years for women, with certain exceptions (regions of the Far North, etc.). The confusion in the sphere of calculating pensions began after the reform of the entire pension system: starting with a change in approaches to determining the length of service and ending with an increase in the retirement age.

Who did not receive additional pension payments?


As the specialists of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation managed to find out, many Russian pensioners received reduced pensions due to the merging of personal accounts. We are talking about rather large amounts: only a superficial check of the Accounting Chamber showed that out of 45 investigated pension cases, more than half contained errors, as a result of which pensioners were not paid additional pensions.

The total amount of money paid in addition to the results of the audit was 2,2 million rubles. Recall that we are talking about half of 45 cases, which means that each pensioner, on average, was not paid in addition about a hundred thousand rubles. For older people, this is an impressive amount. Moreover, in reality, there are much more such cases with errors.

Each Russian is assigned an individual personal account in the accounting system of the Pension Fund of Russia. But in some cases, one and the same person may have several such individual accounts, despite the fact that the number of the individual personal account is the same. When the pension is calculated, the accounts must be combined. However, not always in the end all contributions are taken into account on all accounts. And we get what we have at the moment - money underpaid to pensioners, and quite substantial. It is good that the audit of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation drew attention to this problem, since before people could not even guess that something had not been counted or paid in addition to them,

- commented news "Voennoy Obozreniye" lawyer Vitaly Revzin.

Unsolved problem of people without experience


However, the problem with the accrual of pensions is not yet the worst thing with which the modern pension reform is connected. In Russia, as you know, informal employment is very widespread. People were forced to work without registration, rejoicing at least the opportunity to earn a living, but now they cannot confirm in any way that they have been working all their lives.

The lack of the required length of service turns out for them to be unable to receive an old-age insurance pension: now they can only hope for a social pension. Although the size of the social pension is not much inferior to the majority of insurance pensions, it is assigned only upon reaching the age of 65 for women and 70 for men. They will pay 5 years later - until the age of 65-70 they will have to work, unless, of course, there is a disability.


Finding a job in old age is not easy even for qualified specialists

But since not all citizens can work at this age, and it is not so easy to find a job, and there are no social benefits, the multi-million army of unformed workers is simply left without a livelihood. And this is a very serious, unresolved problem of Russian society.

How can you not reproach unregistered workers for not paying contributions at one time, but these are millions of people, and if they are not provided with at least a minimum living wage, this will only contribute to further social destabilization of Russian society.

Unfortunately, the government is not making any real efforts to solve it, although in the Russian Federation at least 25 million people are currently officially unemployed. The huge shadow labor market is not the fault of hired workers, but of entrepreneurs who want to save on taxes and contributions, and the state itself, which has not been able to organize a normal system of contributions for pension benefits.

The listed problems are far from the only ones in the extensive list of contradictions and mistakes of the pension reform. But its most important disadvantage, of course, is the increase in the retirement age itself. Rarely has a government decision in recent years been able to have such a negative impact on the government's rating as raising the retirement age.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 25 August 2020 16: 44
    39
    Five years of life was stolen !!! Year after year! Well, I don’t want to work, diabetes, after oncology, my working capacity was zero, I was sent with a disability on an erotic journey!
    1. Pivot
      Pivot 25 August 2020 16: 51
      +6
      Well, there is a lot of injustice in life, in a capitalist society a person is a unit of earnings, if he is not, then he will be disposed of, in 91 we have chosen such a future for ourselves, so we must grit our teeth to live on the evil of the capitalists and, if possible, gnaw off as much as possible , these are today's realities.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 25 August 2020 16: 53
        21
        Quote: Pivot
        and, if possible, bite off as much as possible, these are today's realities.

        And if there are no teeth, what do you propose to do in today's reality? wassat you need to bite off your teeth ..
        1. Pivot
          Pivot 25 August 2020 16: 59
          +3
          Insert dentures and gnaw them off. In the democratic United States, Vietnamese veterans died like flies in civilian life, but they showed us the shelves of their stores and McDonald's, we exchanged our common house for this, now we don't have to complain and wait for someone to help, this was only in the USSR, hated by many here.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 25 August 2020 19: 20
            +9
            Quote: Pivot
            Insert dentures and gnaw them off.

            To insert prostheses you need money and a lot, but they are not.
            1. Pivot
              Pivot 25 August 2020 20: 19
              +1
              I had to think about it when they changed their homeland for jeans.
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 26 August 2020 11: 03
              -1
              Quote: Piramidon
              To insert prostheses you need money and a lot, but they are not.

              In this regard, it is easier for combat veterans, simple dentures are still supplied for free lol
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 25 August 2020 17: 26
          10
          Some people without teeth earn even more, they drive kaens, but you will not like this option))))
      2. TANKISTONE
        TANKISTONE 26 August 2020 22: 32
        +3
        Pivot (Vasily)
        in 91m we ourselves have chosen such a future, so we must grit our teeth to live on evil for the capitalists and, if possible, gnaw off as much as possible
        In 91, we were imposed on the "future", after having been "brainwashed" (Sergey Kara-Murza "Manipulation of Consciousness." I will add on my own: with knowledge of our mentality). If everyone "chews off" themselves as much as possible, than this one will differ from the Big Capitalist ??? There are more videos (and approval ("likes") with stories of selfishness and self-centeredness on the Internet. You rarely see stories of kindness (mainly about animals, or hidden ads about the poor).
    2. RUnnm
      RUnnm 25 August 2020 16: 55
      +5
      Wait, is a disability pension no better for you? The article is about social and seniority, speech.
      1. Asad
        Asad 25 August 2020 17: 10
        11
        They do not give disability, there are not enough parameters.
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 25 August 2020 17: 13
          +6
          Hmm .... no words. Even already obscene.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 August 2020 17: 48
            +9
            Quote: RUnnm
            Hmm .... no words.

            Some time ago, there was a tendency to withdraw from disability. Or reduce the group.
            1. sledak
              sledak 25 August 2020 18: 10
              +6
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: RUnnm
              Hmm .... no words.

              Some time ago, there was a tendency to withdraw from disability. Or reduce the group.


              And also the disability must be confirmed every year !!!
              No, well, but what, suddenly the legs will grow back like a lizard's tail, what kind of an invalid he is, isn't he, bureaucrats from the ITU (medical and social examination)?
              1. frei67
                frei67 25 August 2020 18: 29
                12
                there is no such crap for a long time. it was 10 years ago. I'm talking about legs and arms
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 26 August 2020 11: 06
                +1
                Quote: sledak
                No, well, but what, suddenly the legs will grow back like a lizard's tail, what kind of an invalid he is, isn't he, bureaucrats from the ITU (medical and social examination)?

                For legless, armless, like canceled the annual survey? There is a medical examination left and here I cannot agree with a colleague
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Some time ago, there was a tendency to withdraw from disability. Or reduce the group.

                Scoundrels ....
            2. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 26 August 2020 09: 30
              +1
              Armless every two years for re-commission. Perhaps it has grown back, immediately and will be deprived of disability.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 09: 43
                0
                Quote: Alex Nevs
                Armless every two years for re-commission.

                Now it seems there is no such thing? Although he drank with one ensign, every year at the medical board he showed his shot member to the girls.
    3. Million
      Million 25 August 2020 20: 01
      +8
      not only 5 years of life, but also about a million rubles each
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 25 August 2020 16: 44
    39
    The listed problems are far from the only ones in the extensive list of contradictions and mistakes of the pension reform. But its most important disadvantage, of course, is the increase in the retirement age itself. Rarely has a government decision in recent years been capable of such a negative impact on the government's rating as raising the retirement age

    These are not contradictions and mistakes are genocide. It is surprising that there are those who support this government ..
    1. Kart
      Kart 25 August 2020 16: 50
      -43 qualifying.
      Is everything really bad, bad?
      Well, here you are allowed to write anything here. And under the previous government they were not allowed.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 25 August 2020 17: 02
        33
        Quote: Carte
        Well, here you are allowed to write anything here. And under the previous government they were not allowed.

        Under socialism, this, where everyone writes, and everything that they are capable of, was not. But feuilletons, various "Wicks" were. Only such shit, when a working person was told that he was superfluous on this earth, was not. And they pressed on speculation.
        Quote: Pivot
        so we must grit our teeth to live on evil for the capitalists and, if possible, bite off as much as possible, such are today's realities.

        Are you promoting the HSP law? Wonderful! fellow This is the moral of the society of the future ...
        Or maybe return to another formation, without oppressing man by man, without destroying others for the sake of his own whims?
      2. 210ox
        210ox 25 August 2020 17: 33
        12
        And under the previous government (good or bad) there was no such nasty thing. You will not be full of freedom of speech.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 26 August 2020 11: 09
          -2
          Quote: 210ox
          And under the previous government (good or bad) there was no such nasty thing. You will not be full of freedom of speech.

          So in 91 they themselves chose freedom of speech and 300 varieties of sausage. Now we eat and shout what we want.
      3. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 25 August 2020 18: 20
        32
        Quote: Carte
        here you go you are allowed to write anything here... And under the previous government they were not allowed.

        Two dogs meet.
        One asks the other:
        - How do you live there?
        - I live in different ways. One day - I’ll swell with hunger. Someone else
        throw up a bone. How do you live there? I heard that you have a change there.
        - We are undergoing huge changes - the chain was shortened, the bowl was pushed back, but I bark as much as I want!
      4. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 25 August 2020 22: 52
        0
        That is why I am in favor of the power under which at least something happened. I'm not talking about suckers in power who killed and sold everything.
      5. ANB
        ANB 27 August 2020 22: 53
        0
        The chain is genuine, the bowl is away, but bark as much as you want.
        Folk art.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 25 August 2020 18: 14
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Svarog
      The listed problems are far from the only ones in the extensive list of contradictions and mistakes of the pension reform. But its most important disadvantage, of course, is the increase in the retirement age itself. Rarely has a government decision in recent years been capable of such a negative impact on the government's rating as raising the retirement age

      These are not contradictions and mistakes are genocide. It is surprising that there are those who support this government ..

      Nukanuk, tell me about "the wonderful life that awaits Belarusians"
  3. RUnnm
    RUnnm 25 August 2020 16: 45
    42
    What's the point to discuss it ?! Someone expects that the retirement age will be lowered, or the funded part will be returned in the near future ?! It was in the 90s that the government, not pensioners, scooped money out of the Pension Fund with a shovel to cover their debts, and now they will scream that we have a deficit in the Pension Fund.
    How oil and gas revenues are divided by the population - so silence, and like the debts of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation - so immediately people remember.
    How to buy Sberbank from themselves in a crisis for 3+ trillion rubles - so silence. And how to introduce a couple of new taxes, so here he is, the people, at hand.
    How to lie about the ratio of workers and retirees - so please. And how to tell about the fact that in the USSR since the time of Khrushchev, the payment of pensions was completely taken over by the state - silence.
    And all right, the pensions would be at least normal, otherwise it looks more like a handout. But deputies with pensions of 400 thousand are normal.
    What are the restrictive coefficients for military pensions? Let them install them for themselves.
    Why is personal income tax still, practically with a flat scale? Why Sechins, Abramovichs do not pay 60,70% of personal income tax?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 August 2020 16: 48
      26
      Quote: RUnnm
      How oil and gas revenues are divided by the population - so silence, and like the debts of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation - so immediately people remember.

      So they understood that the people are the second oil ..
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 25 August 2020 18: 15
        -3
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: RUnnm
        How oil and gas revenues are divided by the population - so silence, and like the debts of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation - so immediately people remember.

        So they understood that the people are the second oil ..

        Well, now everything is clear ..
      2. dauria
        dauria 25 August 2020 18: 46
        +3
        So they understood that the people are the second oil ..


        In the sense that people and oil will run out by 2050? wink They will buzz and fly over to eat another cow.
      3. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 25 August 2020 22: 57
        0
        Rather, a stash, to which they have already reached and are now teasing.
    2. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 25 August 2020 17: 06
      21
      Quote: RUnnm
      Someone expects that the retirement age will be lowered,

      Yes, no one expects. Nothing good can be expected in the foreseeable future, the authorities have already taught. All hope is only for themselves and for children and grandchildren, and not for the state. Their attitude to the people periodically breaks out of them in the form of pearls about "macaroshkas "and" the state owes you nothing. "
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 August 2020 17: 28
        13
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        Their attitude to the people periodically breaks out from them in the form of pearls about "macaroshkas" and "the state owes you nothing."

        and also this ...
  4. marchcat
    marchcat 25 August 2020 16: 47
    10
    Such a government does not need old people, this is a fact (confirmed by the reform)
  5. Magician Goodwin
    Magician Goodwin 25 August 2020 16: 50
    10
    Deception is everywhere. No money, but you hold on! To whom the experience was incorrectly counted, and who is not indexed. And there is no one to ask.
  6. Buffet
    Buffet 25 August 2020 16: 50
    +5
    Hypothetically, can my parents then apply to the FIU for a recalculation of their pension?
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 25 August 2020 16: 53
      +2
      Yes, but in 3 years only, most likely.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 August 2020 16: 56
      +4
      Buffet - hypothetically, you can become a member of the crew of the first interstellar ship! But, only purely hypothetical. ... I hope you understand my train of thought! !!
      1. Buffet
        Buffet 26 August 2020 15: 18
        0
        You are so witty. Probably a sharp tongue that can shave my butt point. Where did I ask about myself? Not to say anything on the case, or just blurt out for show. If you have nothing to say, walk by. No need to scoff.
  7. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 25 August 2020 16: 56
    +7
    On the complexities of pension reform

  8. iouris
    iouris 25 August 2020 16: 56
    +4
    The following question was also considered on the air today: it turns out that some citizens could be assigned two SNILS. If a citizen does not know about the second SNILS, this is his problem. In general, the pension system is something special ...
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 25 August 2020 18: 50
      13
      Quote: iouris
      The following question was also considered on the air today: it turns out that some citizens could be assigned two SNILS. If a citizen does not know about the second SNILS, this is his problem. In general, the pension system is something special ...


      There was such a situation. FIU found. They put personnel and accounting in a cancer. I went to my PF, wrote a statement, the accounts were combined and a new SNILS was issued. Register in the personal account of the FIU, check the places of work. Some HR people are very creative people.

      PS IMHO. No PFs are needed. A person is born - a bank account is set up. I went to work - the employer transfers pension money to him. Upon reaching the retirement age, access to the account is opened. If you want to shoot everything at once, you want to spend a little. But then what to do with the army of bureaucrats? Only a new canal or railway in the north.
      1. dauria
        dauria 25 August 2020 18: 59
        +7
        Upon reaching the retirement age, access to the account is opened.


        In a lifetime, there will be 3-4 changes of money, country names and a couple of defaults and hyperinflation. And then the banker will rush to the Canary Islands ... laughing
        Is it funny? But that's how we lived. And they have not died yet - maybe they will learn something else to the eyeballs ...
      2. Victor67
        Victor67 25 August 2020 21: 07
        +1
        Looks beautiful, only for current pensioners, who will pay from 60 to 100+? How can this transition period be ensured? There, billions are retired per month.
  9. anjey
    anjey 25 August 2020 16: 59
    +7
    The huge shadow labor market is not the fault of hired workers, but of entrepreneurs who want to save on taxes and contributions, and the state itself, which has never been able to organize a normal system of contributions for pension benefits.
    This is the indicator of the "sociality" of the state, the person is not a cockroach and the state should not be a "clumsy elephant" that can simply crush this person without noticing.
  10. Whisk
    Whisk 25 August 2020 17: 03
    18
    They knock out those born in the USSR in such a cunning way .. We do not let them fool the people, because we have something to compare with!
    Who among the elderly probably remember such a dream of all the parents of the USSR that their children will live better .. And now we tell our children and grandchildren that in the days of the USSR we lived better than you .. That is such a paradox .. All health and strong nerves! We will break through this time too. hi
    1. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 25 August 2020 23: 07
      +4
      But where to get the money to buy a maxim with a carriage ???? Vooooot, then we must start with expropriation. Stalin, however, correctly began to revolutionize.
  11. KSVK
    KSVK 25 August 2020 17: 06
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    It is surprising that there are those who support this government ..

    No wonder. Count the VS + FSB + GRU + BB + all kinds of highly paid "effective" managers + an oligarchy that has grown tightly with the authorities. I think three or three and a half million will be typed. The rest are either busy with survival (the majority) or incapable sick people. And with almost 400000 well-trained and well-paid "guardsmen," nothing can be done. Take your seats in the cemetery, ladies and gentlemen. am
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 August 2020 17: 31
      +7
      Quote: KSVK
      And with almost 400000 well-trained and well-paid "guardsmen," nothing can be done.

      there out of almost 400000 well-trained and highly paid "guardsmen", God forbid, there will be at most 20-30 thousand, well, 50 is at most ...
    2. Old Michael
      Old Michael 25 August 2020 21: 16
      -1
      KVSK:
      Count the VS + FSB + GRU + BB + all kinds of highly paid "effective" managers + an oligarchy that has grown tightly with the authorities. I think three or three and a half million will be typed. The rest are either busy with survival (the majority) or sick people who are incapable of anything. And with almost 400000 well-trained and well-paid "guardsmen," nothing can be done.

      Citizen of KVSK!
      You, for an hour, didn’t go nuts, in one fell swoop having recorded all the service people as villains, oligarchs and their henchmen ?!
      Did you do anything worthwhile for the country yourself?
      Try to say this to a person in uniform.
      Scum.
      1. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 25 August 2020 23: 13
        0
        As if yes, I agree that there are probably still normal ones. But why, then, are different regions sent to different rallies to maintain peace? This is not clear. It turns out that the region that is sent to maintain order does not have decent servants (by the way, who ?, People or ........)
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 26 August 2020 07: 53
          -4
          The police forces exist to protect the bourgeois, anti-people regime. Previously, the princely squad (lads), then the oprichnina and gendarmes, with attached Cossacks and guards regiments. Everything for pacification, who decided to rebel against the master, the hard worker. To his nail.
          Servicemen are part of us, but the order must be obeyed
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 27 August 2020 12: 37
            -1
            Specifically, there is something to object, or the truth is not to your liking? Minus players.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 25 August 2020 17: 06
    10
    The total amount of money paid in addition to the results of the audit was 2,2 million rubles. Recall that we are talking about half of 45 cases, which means that each pensioner, on average, was not paid in addition about a hundred thousand rubles. For older people, this is an impressive amount. Moreover, in reality, there are much more such cases with errors.

    Why is this Pension Fund needed at all? In fact, they copy the work of banks, then why this add-on!
  13. akunin
    akunin 25 August 2020 17: 15
    +5
    How can you not reproach unregistered workers for not paying contributions at one time, but these are millions of people, and if they are not provided with at least a minimum living wage, this will only contribute to further social destabilization of Russian society.
    but what about those who received a white salary? shouldn't they raise their pension, and then provide
    at least the minimum living wage
    those who did not pay pension contributions? 40 years of continuous work experience (when I retired, I was 35 years of continuous work, I was on the grid for radiation), I worked my life, and after the last pension increase, working pensioners began to receive a little more than 1tyr. The funniest thing is that when in the 11s the salary was not paid for 90 months, then the income and retirement were deducted. There were a lot of citizens who swelled and swelled life (they don't work even in the dark, there are not a few lumpen in the country), but I should be worried about the question: is he there? will he have enough for a "boyarka"?. a case from life: at the nearest "five", in the evenings, a drunk is going to (stinking, awful, immediately talking and walking under him) a guard comes out, and they tell him: "give him a smoke and we will leave, you won’t let us sit further. "Do" these "also need to be taken care of from my pension contributions?
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 27 August 2020 12: 41
      +1
      Kylo, ​​shovel, whisk at best. In the Union, nobody ate the bread of zadorma. Such people were quickly assigned to the socially useful.
      1. akunin
        akunin 31 August 2020 20: 10
        0
        Quote: Essex62
        Kylo, ​​shovel, whisk at best. In the Union, nobody ate the bread of zadorma. Such people were quickly assigned to the socially useful.


        209 of the Criminal Code "for parasitism", the neighbor successfully bypassed her (it was enough to work 2 weeks and quit). Periodically, the district police officer came, even if he was fired for absenteeism, he worked the same. The convicts under this article have never seen or heard of them. did not starve and still drink every day.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 1 September 2020 12: 27
          0
          Yes, to hell LTPshnikov plowed in forced labor. I had to talk to such a techie in practice. What do you mean 2 weeks and quit? The parasite quit again. You served as a prosecutor in the Union, you have not seen such convicts, so do you categorically assert? Yes, to hell, article 209 was applied. Already from Moscow, for 101 km, bulls flew out to the village to twist their tails in the thousands. At 80, before the Olympics, they cleaned it up, the courtyards were empty. And your neighbor was very sly-ass when he got out of it. There are such people in any system. And what did not starve, it was not possible in developed socialism to starve.
  14. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 25 August 2020 17: 18
    +9
    Without even finishing reading the article laughing
    For the fact that 2-3 years of my life were stolen from me - until the age of 65, even in the most erotic dream, I never dreamed that I would live to 65 laughing - that's as soon as the PEACEFUL !!! movement on the streets of Moscow with the aim of canceling the pension reform - I will be in the forefront !!! soldier I have nothing to lose - "except my death" hi
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 25 August 2020 17: 22
    +5
    This is the work of the "fifth column" - liberals, foreign agents, etc. "It is their thin devils who muddy the water in the pond" (c) ... laughing It's not the system's fault laughing
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 25 August 2020 18: 19
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      This is the work of the "fifth column" - liberals, foreign agents, etc. "It is their thin devils who muddy the water in the pond" (c) ... laughing It's not the system's fault laughing

      Everything is correct, as we have in Belarus

      .
    2. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 25 August 2020 23: 17
      +2
      Ay, bulk is in hibernation now. Chichas everything will be corrected and done.
  16. KSVK
    KSVK 25 August 2020 17: 28
    +8
    Quote: APASUS
    In fact, they copy the work of banks, then why this add-on!

    You think outside the state. How many people are at work .... Changing the reporting every quarter, this is how important it is. Where to get money for the bridge? The bank may not give it, it will require collateral, interest again. And then once and .... the whole country was left without the funded part. But the BRIDGE !!! And the Rotenbergs are becoming the richest family in Russia. And you say you don't need it. sad
    1. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 25 August 2020 23: 19
      0
      Do not speak right. First, jobs for distant relatives, acquaintances, the right people.
  17. Karabin
    Karabin 25 August 2020 18: 03
    +4
    Rarely has a government decision in recent years been able to have such a negative impact on the government's rating as raising the retirement age.
    So what? As they reset Putin, they will vote for Edro in a single day. Every nation deserves its own government and pension system.
  18. AB
    AB 25 August 2020 18: 04
    -3
    How can you not reproach unregistered workers for not paying contributions at one time, but these are millions of people, and if they are not provided with at least a minimum living wage, this will only contribute to further social destabilization of Russian society.

    Is this a fear of a social explosion? Will people who have been consciously hiding from ALL payments to the state treasury all their adult life, will they go to the barricades? The author is delusional. Every dodger understands perfectly well that the pension will not soon shine for him. He deliberately goes to this without paying personal income tax - 13% and allowing his employer not to pay: 22% - contributions to the Pension Fund; 5,1% - compulsory medical insurance; 2,9% - OSS; 0,2% - accident insurance. All this falls under Article 198 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Unfortunately, executives and chief accountants of companies become involved in such cases, while hired workers pass by. And the limitation period is only 2 years. So these people will never go with protests, but will sit quietly and wait for their unjust pension.
  19. V1er
    V1er 25 August 2020 18: 13
    +3
    The huge shadow labor market is not the fault of hired workers, but of entrepreneurs who want to save on taxes and contributions, and the state itself, which has never been able to organize a normal system of contributions for pension benefits.

    Unfortunately, this is the main reason, everyone knows about it, everyone is silent about it. Nothing has been done.
  20. U-58
    U-58 25 August 2020 18: 15
    13
    Crocodiles do not impress with tears on the faces of "no experience". It will, of course, take care of them - this is very stately.
    But my impressions of such care are an unacceptable negative.
    At the age of 61 and 40 years of experience, the pension is 16700. Yes, he was born in such a way that he managed to retire in the old way, at the last moment.
    I have a friend. His seniority is quantified 60% of mine. It is difficult to compare qualitatively. I have 40 years in an actively working enterprise. He is 10 years old. Yes, 9 years old as a telemaster, the rest is a state of emergency, basically with zero profitability. So his pension is 13000.
    And he was still twisting, you never know he was appointed! And this despite the fact that most of his life he worked without stress, with a free schedule, without a checkpoint. Himself and director and subordinate.
    I do not at all wish him to reduce his pension, but I am rightly asking why, against the background of his pension, is mine so small?
    This policy of equalization is perhaps the most important evil of the current system.
    Now another evil of the system: the lack of compensation for working pensioners.
    Deliberate and direct encouragement of dependency.
    Why is a working pensioner with worthy experience deprived of a well-deserved increase, while an unemployed person (namely, among their ranks there are idlers and retirement age drones) receives this increase annually, without deducting taxes and contributions to the same Pension Fund to the budget.
    The absurdity and savagery of this established rule is so obvious that no additional comment is needed.
    As for people with little insurance experience, even with the introduction of the system of pension points and coefficients, it was clear that when the mass of people who did not manage to score these points becomes noticeably large, our party (the only Russia) and the "beloved government" will immediately attend to pedagogical social tension, will take up the undeserved "fattening" of this category. Again, at the expense of righteous workers (and working retirees)
    Something very wrong has become in our kingdom in recent years ...
    1. V1er
      V1er 25 August 2020 18: 18
      +7
      Totally agree with you. The system is full of flaws. And all this is on the surface. But, as usual, nobody wants to deal with it. Because in a muddy hole, the fish easily sticks to the tail.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 August 2020 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: U-58
      I have 40 years in an actively working enterprise.

      You are lucky that the company is actively working.
      1. U-58
        U-58 26 August 2020 06: 18
        +6
        Luck is a medal with two sides. So, for the very FIRST year of work, I have 46 unused days off. I know this because I kept records in a notebook. Then he stopped, because it was hopeless.
        And what experience will take into account that you work almost every week on Saturday and even on Sunday ?!
        And now it's Monday. You go to file a defect in the KB. The right person left, you wait for him.
        And across the table, a man broadcasts on the phone: "So this is how it is. On Friday you drive up at exactly 17 o'clock after me to the prohodnroy and go to the dacha."
        And then evil takes you, because it is not known when you will go home both today and on Friday, whether you will work only on Saturday or come on Sunday.
        How long are these points taken into account ????
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 27 August 2020 12: 48
          0
          Just change jobs. It never counts. And if the employer also does not pay for constant overtime, then even more so.
    3. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 25 August 2020 23: 26
      +5
      It's funnier when he doesn't get out of places not so distant and receives a pension, and when he signs, he pauses.
  21. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 25 August 2020 18: 39
    +4
    Until Russia becomes sovereign in developing its own norms and laws based on them, nothing will change. Life will continue to deteriorate, and viruses will come to us, which can be stopped at the border by quarantining visitors.
  22. bald
    bald 25 August 2020 20: 08
    +3
    How to be those who worked in the USSR and beyond. They just threw it for 15 years, so to speak, canceled and the most interesting thing is that those who are in power are reforming the pension, purely for themselves. And who were they in the 70s - 80s - Komsomol organizers and party organizers, whose work was to propagandize the people (how many times they asked to join this ...). And now they are completely confused as to whom to play with. We need to start with the law on pensions in the USSR, otherwise, it’s just a scam — it is.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 27 August 2020 12: 54
      -1
      "Komsomol's and party organizers", with rare exceptions, were mowed down by bandits in the 90's. Yes, these degenerates, but they began to resist against the fighters and clerks with cops, could not, for obvious reasons. Someone remained with the bubble, loyal like Prokhor, but power is not available to them.
  23. Van 16
    Van 16 25 August 2020 20: 38
    +4
    And for some reason, all the mistakes and contradictions of the pension reform are always not in favor of people ..
  24. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 25 August 2020 20: 47
    +5
    ". The huge shadow labor market is not the fault of hired workers, but of entrepreneurs who want to save on taxes and contributions, and the state itself, which has never been able to organize a normal system of contributions for pension benefits."
    Yes, there is such a thing. For ten years of my activity, I will not be able to provide any papers.
    This is one of the reasons that brought me back to my factory.
    And I must suppose - no enticements can get me out of there.
    Although I do not really expect to survive (although ... Hot net, all that ... Suddenly, I will last! ..). But, this is more - for complacency.
  25. Esaul
    Esaul 25 August 2020 21: 09
    +5
    If someone was not paid extra, then someone was overpaid. And you can even guess who.
  26. Tests
    Tests 25 August 2020 21: 57
    +6
    The respected author, it seems, does not know one more misfortune of pensioners. My wife experienced it herself. At school I also worked during the holidays 2 times in our Severodvinsk in the "Green Economy": planted, weeded and watered flowers on the lawns. "Green economy" under Yeltsin was privatized, then renamed, then that OOOshka quietly died, in the city archives there is nothing about "Green economy", only in the files of the city newspaper "Severny Rabochiy" in the libraries you can find that there was such an enterprise. And the courts of the Russian Federation now do not accept the testimony of witnesses about work experience - the courts now work only with documents that are not in the archive, although there was a law in the USSR that data on an employee's work are stored for 75 years at the enterprise ... And in the year of the Olympics, I was a member agricultural brigade worked in Adygea. And the state farm "Trud-23" in the Giaginsky district quietly died, in the archive of data that the guys from Severodvinsk collected cucumbers, worked as assistants to combine operators, welders in workshops, helped agronomists draw up a soil map of the state farm lands, taking soil samples, no, not at all ... After deducting money for room and board, I then bought myself a watch "Electronics-5" either for 90, or for 95 rubles, and a couple of buckets: a bucket of cherries and either plums, or apricots, a bucket, no longer remember ...
  27. KSVK
    KSVK 25 August 2020 22: 00
    0
    Quote: OldMichael

    You, for an hour, didn’t go nuts, in one fell swoop having recorded all the service people as villains, oligarchs and their henchmen ?!


    Firstly, LOVE, I have not drunk with YOU, thank God, therefore, be so kind as to leave your barracks habits and not poke me. Poke your friends.
    And secondly, who are YOU? You are the ones who will shoot the unarmed in the first place. Not the army, not the cops, but you, "vovans".
    Quote: OldMichael

    Did you do anything worthwhile for the country yourself?

    Until recently, it was possible to support a couple of people like YOU on my taxes.
    Quote: OldMichael

    Try to say this to a person in uniform.

    Once I called a brat from the hinterland with a submachine gun, brat. For which he received that machine gun in the face. Unfortunately, I didn't have a machine gun or anything suitable. And there were 5 of these puppies there. There really was a cop, a captain, who kicked these ... So I have a personal experience of communicating with the Vovans. And the account is also personal. Since then, some things have changed. New skills and opportunities appear. And how to talk to such an armed and where it leads I know.
    Quote: OldMichael

    Scum.

    Mutually.
  28. Military77
    Military77 25 August 2020 22: 18
    +8
    I do not expect anything good from this state, so I invest every free ruble in children's education, health and education. What is put in the head, not a single government will rip out and "privatize" from there. I do not hope to retire for a long time. In my lifetime, there were three pension "reforms" and no one got better from this ... There will be more ... I put "with the device" on them. Especially in view of the new amendments to the Constitution, where children are obliged to take care of their parents, and the state promises a "decent pension" with indexation, and nowhere is the size or purchasing power of a "decent pension" fixed. Will appoint a "decent pension" in 8t.r. and indexing 1 kopeck. a year, and the rest will be demanded from the children, if suddenly this "decent pension" will not be enough to pay for housing and communal services, and I am generally silent to live on.
  29. ZVS
    ZVS 26 August 2020 10: 14
    +1
    Pension reform is the desire of the country's leadership and "to sit on a member and eat a fish."
  30. seacap
    seacap 26 August 2020 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: Pivot
    I had to think about it when they changed their homeland for jeans.

    And we were somehow not particularly asked when the stupefied "boyar" pack betrayed and killed the state and tore it apart, or rather asked, but did the opposite.
  31. seacap
    seacap 26 August 2020 11: 00
    +3
    Quote: SU
    Pension reform is the desire of the country's leadership and "to sit on a member and eat a fish."

    this is part of a plan to "optimize" the population, just like coronation, it is one chain.
  32. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 26 August 2020 19: 28
    +2
    With the pension reform, the stupidity of sporoli .. this is clear to any sane person, and it was not a mistake, this is a crime. Another time a doubt creeps in that it was not specifically done to fish in troubled waters. With this system, the impression is created that a person is a consumable. Young people do not have enough work with a decent salary, and then the retirement age has also been raised for the elderly so that they can get confused under their feet. Whoever has the strength left will work regardless of whether they have whether they have a pension or not. And whoever has no strength and health left them to shoot them like dead horses. And all this in the deteriorating economic situation. Young people should be given jobs with decent, I emphasize, with a decent salary. And here some people think 17 thousand of the middle class. But it’s funny if it were not so sad. Youth is the locomotive of the economy. they decided to make "breakthroughs" on the old people while robbing them for years and a lot of money pushing back the retirement age.
  33. Whowhy
    Whowhy 27 August 2020 08: 02
    +2
    The previous retirement age was not chosen "out of the blue", but in strict accordance with medical science, which is proved in his speech by Academician Gundarev:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWH5UcGOaEQ&feature=emb_rel_end
    But, even if we do not take into account the arguments of Academician Gundarev, we have to state the fact that the very implementation of this reform has put millions of Russians on the threshold of starvation - and this is already a crime at the level of genocide ...
  34. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 August 2020 09: 50
    +1
    It would be nice if the names, surnames, accounts, passwords, appearances of the authors of this pension "reform" would be published. And then everything like that is impersonal. and if voiced then decided to hand over in the form of a bone thrown to the electorate.