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"Khaki vestments": the Russian Orthodox Church did not approve of sewing camouflage robes

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"Khaki vestments": the Russian Orthodox Church did not approve of sewing camouflage robes

Camouflage robes for priests demonstrated during the Army-2020 military-technical forum were not approved by the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). This was announced in the Synodal Department for Cooperation with the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement Agencies of the Moscow Patriarchate.


According to the chairman of the synodal department, Bishop of Klinsky Stefan (Privalov), the presented clothes for the clergy were not coordinated with the Russian Orthodox Church, there were no contacts with the company that presented the clothes.

The issue has not been agreed with the church, there was no elaboration. Everything that is being done must be done in accordance with the charter of the Russian Orthodox Church and in agreement with the Synodal Department for Relations with the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement Agencies. This was not done

- said the head of the department, Bishop Stephen, adding that this option is possible "as an option for starting a discussion," but it is not entirely correct.

Earlier, some media reported that a new vestment for Orthodox chaplains was presented at the Army-2020 forum: a cassock, a cassock, an epitrachelion, a skufia, as well as a rug. All items almost repeat the sewing standards of modern military uniforms and are made of camouflage fabric.

Note that khaki vestments are already used by the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church, but only on an individual basis. In 2016, they first appeared in the zone of armed conflict in the Donbass.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 25 August 2020 11: 43
    11
    Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 25 August 2020 11: 45
      50
      Quote: newbie
      Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

      Let's clarify - why do these dances with priests at the expense of the state?
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 25 August 2020 11: 54
        +3
        Well, the Russian Orthodox Church voiced_ "not agreed." A question to the developers, if on an initiative basis, then okay.
        1. Temples
          Temples 25 August 2020 12: 08
          -61 qualifying.
          Quote: Victor_B
          Why do these dances with priests at public expense?

          Not baptized?

          A militant atheist?

          The church will outlive you and everyone who splashes saliva.

          Orthodox Christians serve in our army now and for centuries before. They serve and do not spare their lives.

          And devils and ghouls around a dime a dozen.
          You are just one of many.
          1. lucul
            lucul 25 August 2020 12: 15
            17
            The church will outlive you and everyone who splashes saliva.

            Orthodox Christians serve in our army now and for centuries before.

            I have nothing against the past of the late Russian head of the church - he was a worthy man.
            And against this today's puppet at the head of the church - even very much against it. All this orgy under the last chapter would not have existed ...
            1. Temples
              Temples 25 August 2020 12: 19
              -45 qualifying.
              What are you, dear man?
              About Christ?
              About our Orthodox faith?
              1. lucul
                lucul 25 August 2020 12: 24
                +7
                What are you, dear man?
                About Christ?
                About our Orthodox faith?

                About the head of the church, who should be a leader, but the current one is not.
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 25 August 2020 12: 58
                  12
                  So it's true ...
                2. Temples
                  Temples 25 August 2020 13: 21
                  -19 qualifying.
                  Quote: lucul
                  About the head of the church, who should be a leader, but the current one is not.

                  The head of the Orthodox Church is Jesus Christ.
                  1. Pereira
                    Pereira 25 August 2020 13: 35
                    +6
                    Here I agree. The impostor Gundyaev must be expelled.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 25 August 2020 13: 48
                      +7
                      Quote: Pereira
                      Here I agree. The impostor Gundyaev must be expelled.

                      Wherever you look, the theater of the absurd is everywhere ... you need to drive everyone away
                      1. Pereira
                        Pereira 25 August 2020 13: 50
                        +3
                        And don't say. They are at the door, and they are at the window.
                      2. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 13: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Quote: Pereira
                        Here I agree. The impostor Gundyaev must be expelled.

                        Wherever you look, the theater of the absurd is everywhere ... you need to drive everyone away

                        Quote from the Bible: "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at him first."
                      3. Pereira
                        Pereira 25 August 2020 15: 21
                        10
                        Why is it necessary to throw stones? We are not savages. Comfortable prisons have long been built for sinners. Again, logging in the fresh air.
                        And you, like 2 thousand years ago, grab a stone. Then, indeed, morals were simple. Either throw stones or crucify on the cross.
                        But this is not modern. 21st century in the yard.
                      4. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 15: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Pereira
                        Why is it necessary to throw stones? We are not savages.

                        Michael, this is a metaphor. Means - "let him convict him first".
                        Comfortable prisons have long been built for sinners. Again, logging in the fresh air.

                        This is if the sins fall under the article of the criminal code.
                        And there are sins that are subject to the judgment of conscience. For the indiscriminate accusation "everyone should be driven" not to felling, not to a comfortable prison, they will definitely not be sent.
                      5. Pereira
                        Pereira 25 August 2020 16: 20
                        +5
                        1. I know that this is a metaphor. But don't take it literally. Otherwise, we will agree that someone who has driven through a red light loses the moral right to accuse the embezzler.
                        2. For an indiscriminate accusation there is article 129 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation compulsory work up to 480 hours. Yes, it was not logging. But for the perjury of Art. 307, already up to 5 years old. Both are crimes against conscience. But it is formalized in the Criminal Code.
                      6. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 16: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Pereira
                        1. I know that this is a metaphor. But don't take it literally.

                        So I do not perceive. Probably took your words too seriously
                        And you, like 2 thousand years ago, grab a stone ... But this is not modern. 21st century in the yard.

                        2. For an indiscriminate accusation there is article 129 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation compulsory work up to 480 hours.

                        We, members of the forum, are definitely not in danger. Therefore, we sin this (indiscriminate accusation) for a little.
                      7. Pereira
                        Pereira 25 August 2020 18: 18
                        +2
                        At the expense of my words - the correct conclusion.
                        And I am sinful, for I am not restrained in my tongue.
                        See the one next to my nickname? This is the order for foul language against sprats.
                        There will be new orders.
                      8. Alf
                        Alf 25 August 2020 18: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Pereira
                        See the one next to my nickname? This is the order for foul language against sprats.

                        This is not a punishment. Ban is an order for unbending beliefs. I have five bans, I don’t ask to reset them, I wear them with pride. soldier
                      9. bayard
                        bayard 26 August 2020 00: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: Alf
                        Quote: Pereira
                        See the one next to my nickname? This is the order for foul language against sprats.

                        This is not a punishment. Ban is an order for unbending beliefs. I have five bans, I don’t ask to reset them, I wear them with pride.

                        I had six of these "orders" ... but three. removed ..., however, outsiders cannot see it - on the site everyone can see only his "awards".
                    2. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 20: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Pereira
                      At the expense of my words - the correct conclusion.
                      And I am sinful, for I am not restrained in my tongue.

                      On "hot topics" this sin is manifested by many. Here everyone is his own judge.
                      See the one next to my nickname? This is the order for foul language against sprats.
                      There will be new orders.

                      Your experience and rating oblige you to be "unyielding in your convictions." hi
                    3. Pereira
                      Pereira 25 August 2020 21: 02
                      +2
                      That's about the experience and inflexibility, hit the very spot. The experience is very long. Recently, the admins removed 9 convictions from me. They thought I had improved.
                    4. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 21: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Pereira
                      That's about the experience and inflexibility, hit the very spot. The experience is very long. Recently, the admins removed 9 convictions from me. They thought I had improved.

                      Amnesty? It's good. good I don’t give advice on "correction", but I wish you creative success and good health. hi
                    5. Pereira
                      Pereira 25 August 2020 23: 23
                      +1
                      Thanks for your kind words.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 August 2020 20: 09
                +1
                Quote: Pereira
                See the one next to my nickname?

                No, we do not see. Just like you are our gophers.
              3. Pereira
                Pereira 25 August 2020 20: 58
                +1
                And I kept thinking that I was the only one.
  • cost
    cost 25 August 2020 13: 50
    +4
    And the minus is Vladimir for what? He writes absolutely right. Most likely minus those who confuse the head of the church and its Primate.
    For those who do not know this, I recommend the article "On the structure of the Orthodox Church without invention" by the teacher of the Theological Academy Andrei Muzolf.
    link https://pravlife.org/ru/content/kto-glava-pravoslavnoy-cerkvi
  • bayard
    bayard 26 August 2020 00: 03
    +3
    Quote: Temples
    The head of the Orthodox Church is Jesus Christ.

    And the Catholic?
    And who is the head of the Protestant sects?
    How can the Tatars survive all this now? laughing
    What about Buddhists?
    Shamanists?
    Again, there are a lot of Rodnovers today, they also serve ...
    How should they be?
    But the chaplain must please all confessions. yes
    - And to judge the liturgy on a marching antimension,
    - and sing for the muezin from the marching minaret, yes
    - and dance with a marching tambourine in front of the soldiers, yes
    - and spin a Buddhist drum for the victory of Russian weapons, yes
    - I'm not talking about Hanukkah for the Jewish knights lol They can't do without it. yes
    - well, and a red corner with political information for atheist warriors. bully
    A progressive chaplain of the Russian Army should be able to do everything, and not just light a censer.

    .... Yes, Volodenka, your egregore will send you a camouflage cassock with rhinestones and a full bandolier of grace. yes bully love
    It will come true .... smile
    1. phair
      phair 26 August 2020 00: 31
      +1
      YYYY !!!! Burnout! Bahai!
    2. saigon
      saigon 26 August 2020 17: 24
      0
      So that's all good. only Protestants are not sectarians, the normal course of Christianity.
      Christ is recognized in recognition of the Christ and there is a sign of any Christian Church, in contrast to sectarians.
      1. bayard
        bayard 26 August 2020 19: 38
        0
        Quote: saigon
        only Protestants are not sectarians,

        And how many currents of Protestantism do we have?
        Hundreds?
        Thousands?
        And the church is the essence of "the body of Christ" and cannot be divided. yes
        And those who divide this "body", the essence - cuts it into pieces! No.
        Therefore - SECTANT! negative
        No offense to the sectarians, but this is what the "Law of God" says ... and the church canon.
        Egregore must be protected in a whole. yes bully
        Or accept that you are a sectarian. soldier
        According to the canons of the Russian Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church is also a SECT. wink
        For she fell away from the fullness of church unity. yes
        ... It is easier for shamanists - he took a tambourine in his hands, took a sip of fly agaric tincture and, well, dance, talking with ancestors - solid unity and merging in the egregor. yes The main thing is that there is enough tincture for everyone. smile Children of nature. request
        It's not easy for Muslims either - Sunites, Shiites, Ishmaelites, Alawites and other gloomy variety.
        Even without pictures on the walls and boards. what
        But Novruz is a fun holiday. fellow
        Right . yes
        For from the Zoroastrians (Mazdo-Yasnians) they took over. good
        And what kind of pies are baked for him ... drinks ... and no alcohol.
        But best of all, the Rodnovers - they stood in a round dance, sang toasts to their ancestors drinks ... and let's go smash enemies. yes soldier angry
        Beauty ...
        And no discrimination - all children of God.
        For this is the name Russian people carry.
        Rashen \ rasen - Ra the Son - the SON OF GOD.
        Choose anyone, but paint an icon. bully
        It is more difficult for the Jews - the Son of God came to them once, and even that they killed him when they were young ... Since then they boast of that, they show him to the cross ... They eat him flesh and blood ... and the aliens are forced to repent of that. request - by the scapegoat rule.
        ... and they call the involved aliens THE BARAN OF GOD ... what
        But more often - by sheep. yes
        So the rams are less offended.
        And if you pour well the drug (incense) into the censer and properly ignite ... the euphoria will trample ... and having committed (having participated) in the act of substituted murder and cannibalism ... will happily go home.
        Endure, pay and repent. request

        Therefore, no matter what sect starts a rite, this is all SIN IS GREAT.
        For it is contrary to human nature and the Plan of God.
        ON KILL The world is not built.
        But by killing the world is enslaved.
        stop

        May the AWARENESS be with you.
        drinks bully soldier
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 13: 49
    0
    Quote: lucul
    And against this today's puppet at the head of the church - even very much against it. All this orgy under the last chapter would not have existed ...

    There is a general command to believers in the three major religions
    What the rabbi says - do it. But what the rabbi does, don't do it.

    What the mullah says - do it. But what the mullah does, don't do it.

    What the father says - do it. But what the father does - do not do that.

    We live in times of temptation. And not everyone has the power to resist temptations. Including individual priests. We must look up to the best of them.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 25 August 2020 14: 38
      +3
      I know a few of the best. But they are far from Moscow, very far ...
      1. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 17: 14
        +2
        Quote: vadimtt
        I know a few of the best. But they are far from Moscow, very far ...

        Among the best are those who serve God in numerous Orthodox rehabilitation centers, engaged in the healing of drug addicts.
        1. phair
          phair 26 August 2020 00: 33
          -1
          Alas, narcs cannot be healed. This is Pyatnitskaya (chief narcologist of Russia, professor). Listened to her lectures in Vladivostok in 1995.
    2. Alf
      Alf 25 August 2020 19: 00
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir_6
      We must look up to the best of them.

      Do you know many of them? More often it is not the lambs of God that I come across, but the goats.
      1. bayard
        bayard 26 August 2020 00: 34
        +2
        Quote: Alf

        Do you know many of them? More often it is not the lambs of God that I come across, but the goats.

        So not a single priest (a shepherd of Orthodox sheep) will call himself a lamb, for the flock they are the SHEPHERDS, that is, - shepherds. yes
        And the flock for them is rams (well, sheep are the wives / daughters of rams), which are supposed to:
        - cut,
        - graze,
        - and use for your needs as needed.
        ... "One sheep was very afraid of the wolf all its life ...
        And the shepherd ate it "...
        is an old folk saying.
        ... Shepherds love their rams and sheep ... But the rams perceive this love somewhat ... wrongly ...

        And why are Russian people listening to the chant at the beginning of the liturgy (the very first words):
        - "Yako walked on dry land Israel-a-il
        along the "abyss" with feet ... "
        ... consider THIS what with your Faith?
        Why all these dances with one of the varieties of the ancient Jewish cult?
        Moreover, this clowning with "battle mages" in camouflage?
  • zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 25 August 2020 12: 20
    +6
    Good afternoon Vladimir. If there is no God in the soul, then the mediator will not help. Why should one take another's opinion with hostility? You have to be kinder!
    1. Temples
      Temples 25 August 2020 12: 23
      -22 qualifying.
      And good to you.
      What kind of intermediary are you talking about?
      About Christ?
      Or who are you talking about?

      With God in your soul, are you afraid of it?

      But if God is with you, who is against you?
      Who are you ashamed of? Who are you afraid of
      Public opinion?

      At least strange.
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 25 August 2020 12: 33
        +5
        I, Vladimir, about mediators between God and man. Every reasonable person has the right to his own perception of the world. God created all people equal.
      2. bayard
        bayard 26 August 2020 00: 50
        -2
        lol
        Little Johnny!
        Stop clowning!
        And do not remember your Egregor in the sui!
        This is a great sin.
        And if you don’t come to your senses, the "archangels" will arrive in cassocks and side-locks, pull the pants off your sinful flesh, and pour it properly over the hemispheres. yes bully
        And they will impose hypitimia. yes
        For swanky foolishness, Egregore denigrates.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 25 August 2020 12: 23
    10
    First, do not poke, you will break the poke.
    Secondly, poke your own ignorant people.
    Thirdly, you, not a smart person, did not even stand next to the Church, for Tserkov teaches love and respect for one's neighbor and for humility, but by no means pride and rudeness.
    Fourth, who are you to ask me questions of a personal nature, and even in a similar boorish tone?
    Fifth, on top of everything else, you are also not far off in understanding Russian writing, from my comments it is clear that I am Orthodox, and my Tserkov announced that this miracle was not coordinated with her.
    1. Temples
      Temples 25 August 2020 12: 30
      -23 qualifying.
      Quote: newbie
      Thirdly, you, not a smart person, did not even stand next to the Church, for Tserkov teaches love and respect for one's neighbor and for humility, but by no means pride and rudeness.


      Does the beam in the eye get in the way? laughing
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 25 August 2020 12: 32
        +3
        The truth hurts self-esteem, yes, "protector" of the church?
        1. Temples
          Temples 25 August 2020 13: 13
          -16 qualifying.
          And your swearing is only yours.
          Your anger is only yours.

          Blowing off some steam?
          And that’s good.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 25 August 2020 12: 29
    20
    Quote: Temples
    Orthodox Christians serve in our army now and for centuries before. They serve and do not spare their lives.

    Please clarify - only Orthodox are serving in the army? Or also representatives of other faiths? If so, why is the preference given to the ROC?
    And one more thing - when did they manage to nullify Article 14 of the Constitution?
    Article 14
    1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
    2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.
    1. Temples
      Temples 25 August 2020 13: 15
      -16 qualifying.
      Quote: Alexey RA
      then why is the preference given to the ROC?

      There is no preference.
      There are foundations of our Russian country.
      Our history.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 25 August 2020 13: 26
        13
        Quote: Temples
        There is no preference.
        There are foundations of our Russian country.
        Our history.

        You wanted to say - multinational and multiconfessional country? Or Tatars, Bashkirs, peoples of the North Caucasus, Buryats and others who do not profess Orthodoxy are not included in the history of our country?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 25 August 2020 13: 41
          +3
          And you shouldn't forget about atheists. And about the Russians praising their own gods.
          The priest's camouflage cassock does not resent me.
          The priest of Jehovah remained alive, therefore Perun did not like his death.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 August 2020 16: 13
          +2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Or Tatars, Bashkirs, peoples of the UK

          The Russian Islamic University has been training regimental imams since 2015.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 25 August 2020 19: 37
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Or Tatars, Bashkirs, peoples of the UK

            The Russian Islamic University has been training regimental imams since 2015.

            And the Ministry of Defense pays the salaries of the regimental imams and priests, I wonder? If so, on what basis? Well, this is, as it were, a violation of the Constitution.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 August 2020 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Please clarify - only Orthodox are serving in the army?

      Everything is more complicated here ...
      Aaron Gurevich - Chief Military Rabbi of Russia since February 2006
      Such cases
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 25 August 2020 18: 20
      +1
      And one more thing - when did they manage to nullify Article 14 of the Constitution?
      .... When the amendment about God was introduced, by the way, on the initiative of the Russian Orthodox Church, and now Article 14 of the Constitution should sound like this: by God's grace, the Russian Federation is a secular state .. smile
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 25 August 2020 14: 11
    0
    Quote: Temples
    Not baptized?

    What a funny obscurantism. laughing
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 25 August 2020 14: 20
    +2
    And also there are Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. Apparently, in your opinion, they serve poorly ...
  • English tarantas
    English tarantas 25 August 2020 15: 18
    +1
    My condolences. And if it’s on business, then faith in the army is a purely personal matter and not to the detriment of combat capability (even Muslims are freed from clergy in a war). Everyone can have their own Bible with them, but the money from all these events is purely one-sided (I remind that not only Orthodox Christians served in the Russian army from the end of the centuries) it would be better to spend on cartridges and so on, God is with us, but enemies die not only by His will , specifically from weapons and training of soldiers. The most interesting thing is how you live like that in a secular state, or you don't know how to read, oh no, you wrote it somehow. If you don’t like it, collect the petition and we will do it like in Iran, theocracy, ugh, the Islamic republic ... or whatever you want there. And then we'll see what people have to say.
  • saigon
    saigon 26 August 2020 17: 15
    0
    For centuries, people of different religions and faiths have served in our army, not just Orthodox.
    There are many atheists in our army, so what?
    But you are a nice person, you directly insult a person.
  • dauria
    dauria 25 August 2020 12: 20
    12
    Well, the Russian Orthodox Church expressed_ "not agreed"

    So who does the priest conclude an employment contract with? With the Armed Forces or the Russian Orthodox Church? In any case, even the seconded person obeys the requirements of the enterprise where he was sent. To be honest, nonsense. Where, in what place are the priests? A civil servant, as a librarian, possibly seconded under the ROC-VS contract. Not more
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 25 August 2020 12: 27
      +1
      And here is some kind of contract. The priest wears a cassock, like a soldier of Christ, this is their outfit. What are you talking about? And the head of the Church can change the uniform.
      1. Temples
        Temples 25 August 2020 12: 32
        -25 qualifying.
        Quote: dauria
        Where, in what place are the priests?

        All Russian victories under the name of Christ.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 25 August 2020 12: 33
          -9
          Khramov, here I agree with you.
          1. Temples
            Temples 25 August 2020 13: 17
            -7
            Well, we agreed on that.

            I don't understand where I saw rudeness in my words.
            1. Temples
              Temples 25 August 2020 14: 54
              -3
              Quote: newbie
              Khramov, here I agree with you.

              Eh, you shouldn't have agreed.
              Got a minus for this laughing
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        2. Pereira
          Pereira 25 August 2020 13: 43
          +9
          But what about Prophetic Oleg, who nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople? And Svyatoslav?
        3. Fedorovich
          Fedorovich 25 August 2020 14: 20
          +7
          Especially Victory, yeah.
        4. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 26 August 2020 19: 45
          0
          Svyatoslav, Igor, Oleg and other princes of Russia and their warriors of the pre-Christian period were stunned in the next world by the whole army ... Or are they not Russians? Aren't they Christians?
      2. dauria
        dauria 25 August 2020 12: 35
        13
        And here is some kind of contract.

        Stunned ... laughing Tell the chief finance officer with an accountant. There is even a personnel department and accounting department in the Holy Trinity Seraphim-Diveevsky convent. And just imagine - they have a chief engineer and a power engineer, who is responsible for the electrical equipment of the enterprise. According to PEEP and PUE, etc. Not the "Charter of the ROC"
        He shocks a nun or a priest - to sit for him according to Russian laws, and not according to God. wink
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 25 August 2020 12: 39
          -6
          I repeat: only the Ministry of Defense can change the uniforms of soldiers, by analogy, on the fingers, so that you understand, only the head of the Church can change the uniforms of the soldiers of Christ.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 25 August 2020 13: 44
            +2
            Where are the divisions of the soldiers of Christ?
            1. Temples
              Temples 25 August 2020 14: 57
              -3
              Quote: Pereira
              Where are the divisions of the soldiers of Christ?


              For example, Dmitry Donskoy.
              This is Sergius of Radonezh.
              These are monks Oslyabya and Peresvet.

              If these were not for example, you would most likely write in Latin. wink
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 25 August 2020 15: 18
                +7
                What a mess in your head.
                1. Dmitry Donskoy is a prince. He took care of his own equipment. Otherwise, quotes from the Koran would not have appeared on the helmets of Russian princes.
                2. There is no information that Sergius of Radonezh served in any church military formations.
                3. These monks are professional military men. There are two of them. It's not even a platoon. I doubt that Metropolitan Alexy approved the cut of their uniforms. I suspect he would never have thought of such a thought.

                In short, there were no church military formations in Russia. There were professionals who went to monasteries. And the clergy have nothing to do with the issue of equipping military men. This has always been the concern of boyars and princes.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 25 August 2020 21: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Pereira
                  And the clergy have nothing to do with the issue of equipping military men.

                  It was once.

                  But columns T-72, T-80, T-90 or T-14 with such an inscription and from such funds, I do not see something. It would seem that if you did so, no one would even dare to think about Maybachs with geldings, but ...
                2. cost
                  cost 26 August 2020 03: 52
                  +1
                  It was once.

                  Yes, not once. yes
                  Since the time of Peter the Great, the Holy Synod has regularly allocated funds for the construction of Russian warships. Ships built with funds from the Holy Synod have always had "special names"
                  The first swallow was Peter's “Goto Predistinatsiya” - “God's Foresight”. In 1758, the largest for that time, the 100-gun battleship Saint Dmitry of Rostov, was launched, and then the Archangel Gabriel. The battleships Saint Paul, Twelve Apostles, the 100-gun ship Saint Dmitry Rostov ".
                  Ships, squadrons of Admiral Ushakov, also mostly bore "similar" names - "Nativity of Christ", "Mary Magdalene", "St. Vladimir", "St. Paul", "Transfiguration of the Lord", "St. George the Victorious", "St. Andrew the First-Called "," Ambrose of Mediolansky "and many others. dr .. You can't list them all
                3. Alf
                  Alf 26 August 2020 18: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: Rich
                  It was once.

                  Yes, not once. yes
                  Since the time of Peter the Great, the Holy Synod has regularly allocated funds for the construction of Russian warships. Ships built with funds from the Holy Synod have always had "special names"
                  The first swallow was Peter's “Goto Predistinatsiya” - “God's Foresight”. In 1758, the largest for that time, the 100-gun battleship Saint Dmitry of Rostov, was launched, and then the Archangel Gabriel. The battleships Saint Paul, Twelve Apostles, the 100-gun ship Saint Dmitry Rostov ".
                  Ships, squadrons of Admiral Ushakov, also mostly bore "similar" names - "Nativity of Christ", "Mary Magdalene", "St. Vladimir", "St. Paul", "Transfiguration of the Lord", "St. George the Victorious", "St. Andrew the First-Called "," Ambrose of Mediolansky "and many others. dr .. You can't list them all

                  Thank you, I didn't know, I thought they were financed from the treasury.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 25 August 2020 16: 15
    +1
    Quote: newbie
    The priest wears a cassock like a warrior of Christ

    At our school there was one, he wore the usual cotton and ankle boots.
    Without a headdress, a non-statutory haircut, a beard, a badge in the shape of a dove ... He lived with the first-year paratroopers.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 25 August 2020 19: 46
    0
    Quote: newbie
    And here is some kind of contract. The priest wears a cassock, like a soldier of Christ, this is their outfit. What are you talking about? And the head of the Church can change the uniform.

    You see, there is nothing in the Statutes about priests, etc. No. They are obliged to turn them back at the checkpoint. And fuck what they wear - even a cassock, even a diving suit. According to military laws (Statutes), they are not there. Hence, it should not be.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 25 August 2020 12: 05
    15
    Quote: Victor_B
    Let's clarify - why do these dances with priests at the expense of the state?


    I am not against dancing with priests at the state expense, but on condition that the quality of the spiritual services they provide is guaranteed: I sprinkled a rocket, and it crashed - if you please answer financially.

    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 August 2020 12: 19
      +9
      Quote: pereselenec
      I am not against dancing with priests at the state expense, but on condition that the quality of the spiritual services they provide is guaranteed: I sprinkled a rocket, and it crashed - if you please answer financially.

      With the Elder brother of Eternity, the jokes were bad. When the great drought came, he gave equal chances to the Christian god and Blue Turmouth, the elder spirit of sorcerers, and three weeks later, without waiting for rain, he executed the sorcerers and sent all the missionaries.
      © Stanislav Lem. Professor A. Donda.
    2. Topgun
      Topgun 25 August 2020 12: 21
      17
      plus !!!!
      otherwise what is the point in these dances? you have to answer for the work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      if not, then instead of this circus, hire another engineer who will inspect the rocket and be responsible for the work!
      PS: It's good that Sergey Pavlovich doesn't see this ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 August 2020 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Victor_B
    Let's clarify - why do these dances with priests at the expense of the state?

    Let there be priests, but in everyday life he is in ordinary military uniform, and when performing rituals and church services, they must be in the attire of an Orthodox or Muslim priest.
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 25 August 2020 12: 28
      0
      The most sensible thought !!!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 August 2020 12: 33
      10
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Let there be priests, but in everyday life he is in ordinary military uniform, and when performing rituals and church services, they must be in the attire of an Orthodox or Muslim priest.

      Something I immediately recalled the officer-castellan-chaplain from "Bill, Hero of the Galaxy" ... smile
      With trembling fingers, he turned the tablet over on the table. Now it bore the inscription "CAPELLAN". The lieutenant grabbed the end of his tie and threw it forcefully over his right shoulder. The tie was sewn to the collar, which slid easily over the shirt on special bearings. The collar turned backwards with a quiet hum, revealing a snow-white smooth surface to Bill's eyes; the tie was left somewhere behind.
      The chaplain prayerfully folded his hands, looked down at the valley and smiled sweetly:
      - How can I help, my son?
      “I thought you were a castellan officer, sir,” Bill said, stunned.
      “Yes, my son, and this is far from the only burden placed on my weak shoulders. Few need chaplains in these difficult times, and the demand for castellan officers is great. I try to be useful. And he humbly bowed his head.
      (...)
      “What a lucky chance that you, too, are a Zoroastrian,” he said. - Now it will be easier for me to trust you.
      - No accidents, my son, just good preparation. - The chaplain threw a pinch of haoma powder into the flame; Bill's nose chilled with the spicy scent of incense. “By the grace of Ahuramazda, I am the anointed priest of Zoroastrianism; by the will of Allah - the faithful muezzin of Islam; by the will of Jehovah - a circumcised rabbi, and so on. - Here his benevolent face was distorted by an evil grin. “And because of the lack of officers, there’s also a fucking castellan officer!” His forehead cleared up again. “Now share your concerns with me.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 25 August 2020 13: 09
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Something I immediately recalled the officer-castellan-chaplain from "Bill, Hero of the Galaxy" ...

        And I’m Ober-Feldukrat Katz from Schweik
        The officer's exam passed safely, and the newly converted Christian Otto Katz remained in military service. At first it seemed to him that things would go well, and he was aiming for a military academy, but one fine day he got drunk, went to the monastery and exchanged a saber for a monastic robe. He attended an audience with the archbishop in Hradcany and as a result got into the seminary. Before his dedication, he got drunk to smithereens in a very decent house with a female servant on Vejvodova Street, and straight out of the revelry went to ordination. After initiation, he went to his regiment to seek patronage and, when he was appointed a field guard, bought himself a horse, pranced on it through the streets of Prague and took a lively part in all the drinking of the officers of his regiment.
        On the stairs of the house where his apartment was located, the curses of dissatisfied creditors were often heard. Otto Katz took the girls from the street to his place or sent his orderly for them. He was fond of playing the "piece of iron", and rumors circulated, not without reason, that he was playing uncleanly, but no one was able to catch the feldgurat of the ace hidden in the wide sleeve of his military cassock. In officer circles he was called "the holy father". He never prepared for a sermon, which made him different from his predecessor, who had previously visited the garrison prison.
    3. Pereira
      Pereira 25 August 2020 13: 46
      +1
      There are risks here. The Muslim sniper will specifically target the Christian chaplain, and the Christian - the Muslim.
      And so before the optics, everyone is equal.
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 25 August 2020 13: 27
    +2
    Quote: Victor_B
    Quote: newbie
    Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

    Let's clarify - why do these dances with priests at the expense of the state?

    “During the Second World War, Russian priests did not hide behind the commandment“ Thou shalt not kill ”, but took as a rule another commandment of Jesus Christ:“ There is no more love if he lay down his life for his friends. ”With this they went to fight, not fearing the enemy.
    Records of the replenishment of the Red Army by priests and their exploits were not separately kept. Evidence, literally bit by bit, was collected by Archpriest Nikolai Agafonov (wrote the book "War Feats of the Orthodox Clergy"), who found out that thousands of ministers of the Orthodox Church fought in the ranks of infantrymen, gunners and tankmen. That hundreds of them have deserved the highest awards and medals: "For Courage", "For the Defense of Leningrad", "For Valiant Labor in the Great Patriotic War," "For the Defense of Moscow," "Partisan of the Great Patriotic War," etc.
    After the war, thousands of believers became monks and priests, pinning well-deserved awards to their robes on May 9.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 25 August 2020 15: 24
    -3
    Quote: Victor_B
    Quote: newbie
    Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

    Let's clarify - why do these dances with priests at the expense of the state?

    These are spiritual bonds, thanks to which the fighting spirit of our soldiers is strong.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 25 August 2020 11: 46
    11
    Really. Nonsense.
    If a priest is in the field, he should not differ from the fighters in equipment and uniforms, the maximum is a patch, if he is in the service in the temple, he does not need a camouflage cassock in fig
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 25 August 2020 11: 57
      +1
      Sure. And these sets are not expected in large quantities, only a limited call. for priests "in the field".
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 August 2020 12: 34
      +4
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Really. Nonsense.
      If a priest is in the field, he should not differ from the fighters in equipment and uniforms, the maximum is a patch, if he is in the service in the temple, he does not need a camouflage cassock in fig

      You're right. We met priests in positions, we are familiar with serving in the trenches ...
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 25 August 2020 12: 20
    +2
    Quote: newbie
    Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

    But there is canons(laws) ecclesiastical, from which should proceed Orthodox Church.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 25 August 2020 19: 54
      +1
      Quote: Insurgent
      Quote: newbie
      Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

      But there is canons(laws) ecclesiastical, from which should proceed Orthodox Church.

      And there are the Charters of the RF Armed Forces, where not a word about the priests. What are they doing in the army?
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 25 August 2020 12: 26
    +4
    Quote: newbie
    Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

    When at position "N", in a fortification near Donetsk, a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church, a former paratrooper of the USSR Airborne Forces, converted a Catholic to the Orthodox faith, no one made any claims to him about camouflage in the "digital" ...
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 25 August 2020 13: 04
    13
    Quote: newbie
    Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

    The commanding staff are dressed the same as the private so that they are not a target for enemy snipers. But the priests, on the contrary, try to stand out, in the hope that they will not be shot at. A golden cassock (or whatever they call this outfit) on the front line will be visible from afar.
    Py.Sy. You can bury me with the minuses, but I think that the church is a freeloader, who took, from some hangover, the role of an intermediary between God and man and does not sickly make money on it. And who appointed her to this role? A man should have God in his soul and heart, and not in a building with overweight priests cutting money from semi-literate old women and driving around in Merciers.
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 25 August 2020 16: 35
    +4
    Quote: newbie
    Why are these dances around the color of the cassock?

    How is it? First, they were not blessed; second, who will pay tithes? You know, the present priest will not cross himself for "so".
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 25 August 2020 11: 45
    10
    Circus! Also candles of a khaki color.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 August 2020 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: Varyag71
      Circus! Also candles of a khaki color.

      And with the boiler, the contentment is also "incomprehensible".
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 August 2020 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And with the boiler, the contentment is also "incomprehensible".

        Do you mean communion with "Cahors"?
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 25 August 2020 12: 51
      +6
      Quote: Varyag71
      khaki candles.
      And yesterday they pushed cons for it! And I don't understand, believers or atheists!
    3. Pereira
      Pereira 25 August 2020 13: 48
      +1
      What's this. They also burn with camouflage fire.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 25 August 2020 16: 45
        0
        Quote: Pereira
        What's this. They also burn with camouflage fire.

        In the sense of 1 cm in 1 second?
        1. Alf
          Alf 25 August 2020 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: Skalendarka
          Quote: Pereira
          What's this. They also burn with camouflage fire.

          In the sense of 1 cm in 1 second?

          One candle in 45 seconds. I did not have time to repent, walk a sinner.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 25 August 2020 11: 45
    +1
    What role does the vestment of a priest play in the army? In fact, he should not stand out from the general number of military personnel. After all, we have a multinational country and all religions will have their own form?
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 25 August 2020 11: 50
      0
      Apparently all other representatives of other religions will also be offered khaki robes.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 August 2020 12: 22
        10
        Quote: newbie
        all other representatives of other religions

        Regimental rabbi - sounds cool! Wearing a khaki Hasidic hat, and a ritual edged cleaver, he will terrify enemies! wassat
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 25 August 2020 12: 24
          -1
          Well, I don’t know, you probably know better.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 25 August 2020 12: 27
            +4
            With my rich imagination - yes! good
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 25 August 2020 12: 29
              -1
              I cannot allow such a flight of imagination_ to make fun of religions.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 August 2020 13: 19
                +4
                Quote: newbie
                to joke about religions.
                watch it to the end, extremely wise cartoon
        2. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 25 August 2020 14: 35
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: newbie
          all other representatives of other religions

          Regimental rabbi - sounds cool! Wearing a khaki Hasidic hat, and a ritual edged cleaver, he will terrify enemies! wassat

          We have no problems in this respect. They wear the usual uniform and that's it.
          For example, the former Chief Rabbi of the IDF, Major General of Aviation Rafi Peretz, is not only a certified rabbi, but also an experienced military pilot - he flew 5 hours on combat helicopters, participated in many military operations.

          Before him was Rav Avihai Ronski, Major General of the Airborne Troops:

          Now Brigadier General Eyal Karim serves as Chief Rabbi. This, when appointed to a post, is promoted to brigadier generals:

          In 1975, he volunteered to serve in the airborne troops, rising to the rank of officer of the 202nd paratrooper battalion, in the ranks of the paratroopers, commanded operations in Lebanon, and later took part in the First Lebanese War. After the war he served in command positions in the elite unit Sayeret Matkal (special forces of the General Staff) and as the commander of a paratrooper squad.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 August 2020 19: 02
            +2
            So, a volunteer priest of the Russian Orthodox Church, an ex-paratrooper who had passed through the Caucasus, came to us, in field attire, in a helmet, armor and unloading, in which instead of "horns" there were attributes of religious service ...

            And no one bothered about it. And the cassock, in camouflage, is, in my opinion, cretinism ...
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 25 August 2020 19: 59
            -2
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: newbie
            all other representatives of other religions

            Regimental rabbi - sounds cool! Wearing a khaki Hasidic hat, and a ritual edged cleaver, he will terrify enemies! wassat

            We have no problems in this respect. They wear the usual uniform and that's it.
            For example, the former Chief Rabbi of the IDF, Major General of Aviation Rafi Peretz, is not only a certified rabbi, but also an experienced military pilot - he flew 5 hours on combat helicopters, participated in many military operations.

            Before him was Rav Avihai Ronski, Major General of the Airborne Troops:

            Now Brigadier General Eyal Karim serves as Chief Rabbi. This, when appointed to a post, is promoted to brigadier generals:

            In 1975, he volunteered to serve in the airborne troops, rising to the rank of officer of the 202nd paratrooper battalion, in the ranks of the paratroopers, commanded operations in Lebanon, and later took part in the First Lebanese War. After the war he served in command positions in the elite unit Sayeret Matkal (special forces of the General Staff) and as the commander of a paratrooper squad.

            Why do we need all this?
  • bober1982
    bober1982 25 August 2020 11: 49
    0
    You have to be careful about everything. These are the times.
    The holy books do not say anything about camouflage uniforms, so no need to pay attention to it.
    1. ender
      ender 25 August 2020 12: 06
      14
      The holy books say nothing about camouflage uniforms


      Mujahid is walking along the Afghan road, ahead of him
      the wife is coming. An old man is meeting them.
      - Hey, Abdul, haven't you read the Koran? Wife must go
      just behind her husband!
      - Listen, when the Koran was written, the roads were not mined.
      Go ahead, Fatima! (from)
  • svp67
    svp67 25 August 2020 11: 51
    +5
    And what is camouflage for a priest, any religion? They are not at the forefront with a machine gun, their service is different.
    1. Gunther
      Gunther 25 August 2020 12: 00
      14
      the servant of the Lord needs camouflage, otherwise he will imperceptibly get close to a pagan in order to convert to the true faith.
      and the topic is promising, monetary - the Israeli rabbi hopefully approve of this gesheft.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 August 2020 12: 10
      11
      We sometimes came across civil service rabbis in our infantry reservists.
      They did not have any insignia, the usual soldier's field uniform.
      The only thing: they carefully checked the kosher in the kitchen, so as not to eat anything "wrong". Although the supply is already kosher. But they didn't show off too much.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 August 2020 12: 25
        +8
        Quote: voyaka uh
        so as not to eat something "wrong

        We had one in the army, an overly diligent Muslim. Everyone was afraid to eat pork accidentally. After a couple of months, he was looking for lard with a different purpose. bully
    3. pereselenec
      pereselenec 25 August 2020 12: 12
      18
      Quote: svp67
      And what is camouflage for a priest, any religion?


      I don't understand either - after all, if the Lord wants to save the priest, he will shield him from the gaze of the enemy sniper and send angels to block the barriers with his wings. And if not, then God's connivance.

      It is also not clear to me why the patriarch needs the security of the FSO, when you can just read the 90th psalm when you leave the house:

      Living in the help of the Most High, he will settle in the roof of the Heavenly God. The Lord speaks: Thou art my protector and my refuge, my God, and I put my trust in Him. Yako Toy will deliver thee from the hunter's net, and from the word of rebellion, His splash will overshadow thee, and under His krill you hope: His truth will go around you with a weapon. Do not be afraid of the fear of the night, from the arrow flying in days, from the thing in the darkness of the transitory, from the crumbling, and the demon of the midday. Thousands will fall from your country, and tma at your right hand will not come close to you, look at both your eyes, and see the reward of sinners. As you, Lord, my hope, the Most High, you have laid your refuge. Evil will not come to you, and the wound will not approach your body, as with His Angel the commandment about you, keep you in all your ways. They will take you in their arms, but not when you have stumbled your foot on a stone, step on an asp and a basilisk, and cross the lion and the serpent. For I will trust in Me, and I will deliver and: I will cover and, as My name is known. He will call on Me, and I will answer him: I am with him in trouble, I will scourge him, and I will glorify him, I will fulfill him with long days, and I will show him My salvation.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 25 August 2020 11: 51
    +5
    That's really really some kind of heresy ....!
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 25 August 2020 12: 32
      -2
      Quote: Alien From
      That's really really some kind of heresy ....!

      This is not heresy, but attempts to secularize the Church, with which the Church itself has to fight.
      The last times are coming, and it will not be so.
  • Well done
    Well done 25 August 2020 11: 52
    +8
    First, camouflage for the priests, and then you see the service weapon? A mobile temple based on an armored personnel carrier? I won't be surprised.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 August 2020 11: 55
      15
      Quote: Welldone
      First, camouflage for the priests, and then you see the service weapon? A mobile temple based on an armored personnel carrier? I won't be surprised.

      And everything will end with God-Emperor on the Golden Throne. smile
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 August 2020 12: 29
        +3
        By the way, in Warhammer, the eagle is the same two-headed. bully
    2. svp67
      svp67 25 August 2020 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: Welldone
      A mobile temple based on an armored personnel carrier?

      Well, if only on the basis of "Boomerang", and so only on the basis of "Ural" or "KamAZ"
    3. ender
      ender 25 August 2020 12: 03
      +2
      the landing temple already exists

      1. Well done
        Well done 25 August 2020 12: 34
        +9
        Well yes. And for such a priest, a whole parachute system is needed. Although if you drop it on the enemy without a parachute, the effect will be stronger than from a bomb.
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 25 August 2020 12: 40
          +3
          Famous commander of the Russian army, General A.A. Brusilov, remembering his famous breakthrough, wrote:

          "In those terrible counterattacks among the soldier's tunic, black figures flashed - regimental fathers, tucking their robes, in rough boots, walked with the soldiers, encouraging the timid with a simple Gospel word and behavior ... They remained there forever, on the fields of Galicia, without separating from the flock."
          -----
          21 November 1915, the Order of St. Stanislav III Art. With swords and a bow, he deserved the regimental mullah of the Ingush regiment, Haji-Taubot Gorbakov, “because in the 3 battle on June 1916, when the Austrian infantry launched an offensive ... personal example of courage, until it was contused in the head by a torn artillery shell and taken to the dressing station. ”
          1. Well done
            Well done 25 August 2020 12: 46
            +9
            I am aware of the Brusilov breakthrough, I am enraged by the category of priests who, being drunk, crush women and children on Maybachs at pedestrian crossings.
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 25 August 2020 12: 48
              +1
              Those that on Maybachs will not go to the army ... Not in rank ...
              1. Alf
                Alf 25 August 2020 19: 18
                +1
                Quote: Tank jacket
                Those that on Maybachs will not go to the army ... Not in rank ...

                These, on Maybachs, will be more terrible.
            2. Sklendarka
              Sklendarka 25 August 2020 16: 49
              -1
              Quote: Welldone
              I am aware of the Brusilov breakthrough, I am enraged by the category of priests who, being drunk, crush women and children on Maybachs at pedestrian crossings.

              All the will of God...
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 August 2020 13: 31
          -1
          Quote: Welldone
          Well yes. And for such a priest, a whole parachute system is needed. Although if you drop it on the enemy without a parachute, the effect will be stronger than from a bomb.

          Come on, there are all sorts of priests.
    4. Free wind
      Free wind 25 August 2020 12: 30
      +5
      So they have it, the life-giving cross, and the seventh water on the pussycat, oh. Holy water.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 25 August 2020 11: 54
    -1
    The chairman of the synodal department of the Russian Church, however, said that nothing had been agreed with the ROC, then what claims could there be against the Church itself? This is pure amateur performance.
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 25 August 2020 11: 54
    -2
    oooooooooooooooooy .........
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 25 August 2020 20: 04
      +1
      Quote: TAMBU
      oooooooooooooooooy .........

      It will be even funnier further! laughing
  • zxc15682
    zxc15682 25 August 2020 11: 59
    -1
    The priest is also a unit in the war. On up to masking.
  • ender
    ender 25 August 2020 12: 01
    0
    T - haste

    The same LEKHA (Alexey) Yesterday, 12: 52
    15

    This is a faycomet ... there are a dime a dozen of them on social media.
  • zxc15682
    zxc15682 25 August 2020 12: 07
    -2
    In the trenches, there are no unbelievers for a soldier it is easier to turn to a priest than to a psychoanalyst or a psychologist.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 25 August 2020 13: 00
      +5
      It is easier for a soldier in the trenches to send everyone and everything according to the mother of the fire to the bosses of God and the enemy
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 25 August 2020 20: 07
      0
      Quote: zxc15682
      In the trenches, there are no unbelievers for a soldier it is easier to turn to a priest than to a psychoanalyst or a psychologist.

      And what is your trench experience? laughing
  • Lumpen
    Lumpen 25 August 2020 12: 25
    +3
    Yesterday they shouted here on the site that this is a fake laughing
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 August 2020 12: 29
    0
    The military has an office, front door and combat / field. If the chaplain is "in the trench", then, in my opinion, wearing a cassock is not comfortable / unmasking / does not protect.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 25 August 2020 20: 10
      0
      Quote: Tank jacket
      The military has an office, front door and combat / field. If the chaplain is "in the trench", then, in my opinion, wearing a cassock is not comfortable / unmasking / does not protect.

      And with what fright the chaplain in the trench? What Charter is it spelled out? In the trench, the chaplain can only be in the position of a detained. If there is no reason to shoot, kick into neutral, let him crawl to his own.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 25 August 2020 12: 37
    0
    After reading the comments, an old phrase came to mind - "there are no atheists in the trenches!"
  • alexmach
    alexmach 25 August 2020 13: 42
    +5
    The Russian Orthodox Church did not approve of sewing camouflage robes

    These are the real problems of the country and the army.
  • English tarantas
    English tarantas 25 August 2020 15: 09
    +2
    Camouflage robes for priests demonstrated during the Army-2020 military-technical forum were not approved by the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). This was stated in the Synodal Department for Cooperation with the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement Agencies of the Moscow Patriarchate

    Church clothes in camouflage colors. At the Forum Army 2020. Synodal Department for Cooperation with the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement Officers. God, what a sur, what nonsense, idiocy. Let me remind you that Russia is a secular state.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 August 2020 15: 09
    +1
    And what for, the church did without worldly clothes.
  • yfast
    yfast 25 August 2020 15: 14
    0
    Quote: Victor_B
    Let's clarify - why do these dances with priests at the expense of the state?

    Why at government expense?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 August 2020 15: 35
    0
    Quote: Tank jacket
    The military has an office, front door and combat / field. If the chaplain is "in the trench", then, in my opinion, wearing a cassock is not comfortable / unmasking / does not protect.

    The priest in the Russian Imperial Army did not use bayonets and did not shoot, but the duty to teach the soldiers "the truths of the Orthodox faith and piety", to conduct conversations and readings, to console the sick in hospitals. Their duties also included protecting servicemen "from harmful teachings", correcting "moral defects", preventing "deviations from the Orthodox faith." ... And in those years there were cases of drunkenness, "hazing" (this was called the imposition of everyday work on recruits). There were different ways of resolving such cases. Most often, the combat commander, who noticed "hazing", turned to the priest, who in his conversations tried to exhort the old servant, explain the shamefulness of the act and, using biblical examples, appealed to his conscience and dignity. Moreover, he took such soldiers to be his assistants: they were elected by the elders, sang in the church choir, etc. The military clergy did not stand aside in the fight against such evil as drunkenness. It is known that on May 22, 1914, "Measures against the consumption of alcoholic beverages in the army" were approved in Russia. According to these measures, regimental priests were obliged to report to officers at least twice a year about the harm and consequences of drinking alcohol on the body. The priest was obliged to conduct conversations with the lower ranks: at least once a week - with all people and, in addition, once with young soldiers,
  • Whisk
    Whisk 25 August 2020 17: 24
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    Another run over to Orthodoxy, well, galdite here.
    As one amersky ideologist used to say, we will replace their faith and family values.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 August 2020 18: 29
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      Quote: Metla
      Another run over to Orthodoxy, well, galdite here.
      As one amersky ideologist used to say, we will replace their faith and family values.

      Their faith - which one? Or do you seriously consider all those who recorded themselves as such in the census as Orthodox? Well, try asking for this Orthodox read the Symbol of Faith from memory - for it is he who determines what this person believes.
      Or just ask - when is Easter this year?

      In the same personal sheets, the need to indicate the religion with a slight movement of the pen makes 90% of the workers Orthodox.
      1. Whisk
        Whisk 25 August 2020 19: 34
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        What is their faith?

        Remember the 90s, how many different sects were in Russia and that no one remembers this now ..
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Do you seriously consider all those who recorded themselves as such in the census as Orthodox?

        She is faith in her soul and the Russian Orthodox Church does not impose this on anyone ..!
        For some reason, no one blames the United States for this, they have Catholics, etc. at the state level and even constantly politicians almost pray with the exclamation "God bless America" ​​..
        And in our country, as soon as there is something about faith, whole Caudles with screams, people clouded their brains, etc.
        If you tried to say this in the United States, you would have been in a psychiatric hospital long ago. There it is, on the contrary, the people are driven from the cold weather to go to church, prayers, etc. Or am I wrong?
        Think about it Why they can, but we cannot have our faith ..
        1. Alf
          Alf 25 August 2020 21: 15
          +1
          Quote: Metla
          Remember the 90s, how many different sects were in Russia and that no one remembers this now

          They disappeared. Because the ROC CJSC has no need for competitors.
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 25 August 2020 20: 39
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Well, try asking such an Orthodox person to read the Symbol of Faith as a souvenir - for it is he who determines what this person believes.

        Knowledge as a keepsake The Symbol of Faith does not in any way define a person's faith itself, one may not know about the existence of such dogmas of the Orthodox faith, but be an Orthodox person.
        I myself, I know by heart, can read it at any time of the day or night, and in any condition, but this is not a reason for pride, just a good visual memory, nothing more.
    2. Alf
      Alf 25 August 2020 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Metla
      Another run over to Orthodoxy, well, galdite here.

      Not to Orthodoxy, but to those who, hiding behind His name, do black deeds. This is where the substitution of concepts lies.
      There is one who teaches that there is no need to get rich, that money is not happiness, but wears a watch from Breguet.
      1. Whisk
        Whisk 25 August 2020 19: 41
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        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Metla
        Another run over to Orthodoxy, well, galdite here.

        Not to Orthodoxy, but to those who, hiding behind His name, do black deeds. This is where the substitution of concepts lies.
        There is one who teaches that there is no need to get rich, that money is not happiness, but wears a watch from Breguet.

        In Russia, no one forces anyone to go to church and make donations .. But the Orthodox Faith is the core of Russia was, is and will be .. Even Stalin understood this and allowed many churches and monasteries already in the Second World War, etc. ..Khrush then started the fight again and we know the result. It is difficult to argue in this topic, I just feel in my soul that I’m right all the same., If you judge such a shaft of negativity here and on the Internet in general .. God save your souls and he will judge you etc
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 25 August 2020 23: 00
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    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Temples
    There is no preference.
    There are foundations of our Russian country.
    Our history.

    You wanted to say - multinational and multiconfessional country? Or Tatars, Bashkirs, peoples of the North Caucasus, Buryats and others who do not profess Orthodoxy are not included in the history of our country?

    Russia is a multinational state, which is also reflected in its constitution. More than 190 peoples live on its territory, which include not only the indigenous small and autochthonous peoples of the country. In 2010, RUSSIANS accounted for 80,9% or 111,0 million out of 137,2 million indicating their nationality
  • Lew
    Lew 26 August 2020 16: 23
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    In principle, it is not clear what the so-called believers are doing in the Army who are undergoing an emergency? They are not involved in any work, they sing in the choir, they have free access to the city to the store, when all the units are in quarantine, even the parents are not allowed to the unit, and these churchgoers are taken to the city on buses. Or what does Vera save from COVID?
    1. Alf
      Alf 26 August 2020 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: Lew
      Or what does Vera save from COVID?

      During the house-sitting on the radio I heard one very interesting news.
      Gundyay announced that the C-19 was punished from Above for unbelief and godlessness, and in the news they said that priests began to get sick en masse. And here I sit and cannot understand in any way, whether the S-19 is not punished from above, or unbelieving priests ... recourse