Britain may completely abandon tanks

UK may completely abandon tanks, the possibility of such a solution is being considered in the framework of the proposal for the modernization of the country's armed forces. It is reported by the British edition of the Times.

The government is exploring the possibility of completely abandoning tanks, the newspaper writes, due to the rising cost of modernizing the existing fleet of Challenger 2 tanks and Warrior infantry fighting vehicles (BMP). Last year, British tanks and infantry fighting vehicles were deemed "obsolete".

The British Department of Defense believes that in modern wars the importance of ground armored vehicles is lost, for which the importance of cyber weapons and other advanced technologies, including space technologies, increases. Therefore, they all require significant investment. The final decision on the tanks will be made by November this year.

While there remains an opportunity to upgrade the Challenger 2 or buy a Leopard 2 tank from Germany, the UK is already seeking the opinion of NATO partners on the proposal to abandon heavy armored vehicles and revise its military contribution to the alliance

- writes the edition.

In case of abandoning tanks, Great Britain, as part of its contribution to NATO, will focus on assault aviation, offering its allies 50 Apache attack helicopters, as well as heavy tanker helicopters and reconnaissance helicopters.

Comments

[SRC P-15]

And also it is necessary to abandon the aviation, navy and submarines! Why do you need them if you are going to develop space weapons ?!

[Terenin]

Quote: SRC P-15

And also it is necessary to abandon the aviation, navy and submarines! Why do you need them if you are going to develop space weapons ?!

Give up tanks? Probably hoping for an anti-tank ditch (English Channel)

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Terenin

Give up tanks? Probably hoping for an anti-tank ditch (English Channel)

They probably infuriate that for their use on the mainland, it will not take small investments when crossing the English Channel! On their own island, whom should they drive? Maybe only migrants.

[zadorin1974]

Good Alexander. The English aborigines have long groaned that the Russian bandits bought them up, and the migrants with their Sharia patrol muzzled.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: zadorin1974

Good Alexander. The English aborigines have long groaned that the Russian bandits bought them up, and the migrants with their Sharia patrol muzzled.

Good day, Alexey!
Apparently everything is much better, since they refuse tanks!

[zadorin1974]

On the contrary, Alexander, they realized that it was more difficult to dump on tanks than on a helicopter.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: zadorin1974

On the contrary, Alexander, they realized that it was more difficult to dump on tanks than on a helicopter.

Well I do not know. Helicopters fall very painfully!

[Uncle lee]

GreatBritain can completely abandon tanks,

will change to bikes ...

[novel66]

let them give up right away! Hello

[Lipchanin]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Maybe only migrants.

Yes it will be a little expensive

[newcomer]

The Saxons seem to be proposing a division of roles in NATO forces. The role is heavy. armored vehicles, like a battering ram, apparently to the Fritz. Air cover, of course, will be the Yankees. The role of "meat" _ all over Eastern Europe. Well, the Saxons, as the most cunning, will finish off the assault. aviation. This is me, free thoughts, in the morning.

[Pereira]

Normal thoughts.
Only the Poles now claim the role of a tank ram.
The meat is Romanians.
The innocent victims of Russian aggression are the Balts. They bought this place on the porch long ago.
The Germans will bring up shells and take away scrap metal from the front for cutting.
Benelux feed the army with pork, and Scandinavians with fish bought from Russian fishermen.
Yankees, yes - bomb.
The French provide moral support to the Poles. As in 1939.
And the Anglo-Saxons insure the risen sea transportation.

[newcomer]

Could be so.

[uav80]

There would be a desire, but the means to overcome the "moat" will always be found ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Terenin

Give up tanks? Probably hoping for an anti-tank ditch (English Channel)

Why would an ISLAND state need tanks, even if there are no hostile regimes near England?

[Terenin]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Terenin

Give up tanks? Probably hoping for an anti-tank ditch (English Channel)

Why would an ISLAND state need tanks, even if there are no hostile regimes near England?

It's not evening yet, we were also surrounded by "friends on the board"

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, what if the next Falklands?
No, at least a couple of battalions must be left on alert, and another part for storage.

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, what if the next Falklands?

So what? There is that the other side somehow cost "light armor" ...
Brits on "Scorpions"

Argentines, generally on wheels

[Catfish]

Argentines, generally on wheels

Not only. Argentine tank TAM and infantry fighting vehicles at its base.

[Civil]

The Englishwoman became impoverished, they cannot afford, like Russia, to have thousands of the latest tanks.

[Roman246810]

Yeah .. poor English ..
How do they ever live without a £ 150 pension.

[halpat]

Quote: SRC P-15

And also it is necessary to abandon the aviation, navy and submarines! Why do you need them if you are going to develop space weapons ?!

they want to abandon the production of their tanks - that means they will buy someone else's. Guess whose :)
As well as planes and ships. And this ... "Patriot" is memorable.

Lobbying is at the highest level, as I understood from the article.

[Pereira]

Guess whose :)

Who is producing tanks there now?
Russia and China, for obvious reasons, disappear.
Korea, Japan and Turkey remain.
But the Koreans and Japanese did not come out in height and their tanks were appropriate.
That leaves Turkey.

[halpat]

Quote: Pereira

Guess whose :)

Who is producing tanks there now?
Russia and China, for obvious reasons, disappear.
Korea, Japan and Turkey remain.
But the Koreans and Japanese did not come out in height and their tanks were appropriate.
That leaves Turkey.

I suggest a "stronghold" or whatever
well ... for fun.

[Pereira]

If it’s just for fun, then the Indian Arjunas.

[halpat]

Quote: Pereira

If it’s just for fun, then the Indian Arjunas.

no from Hindus to them - sketch drawings of vimans, photocopies from old engravings.
this is when the British give up aviation :)

[Senka naughty]

It's simple, they want to squeeze out one more "Switzerland", I'm not me and not my house .. if suddenly the batch starts, we only have 50 Apaches who need help ..

[Mountain shooter]

Why does Britain need tanks? On the islands ... until you move to the mainland, the war will end
But in essence - Britain has completely "sour" ... The fleet is short, the army is without tanks ... There is not enough money for everything ...

[Clear]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Why does Britain need tanks? On the islands ... until you move to the mainland, the war will end
But in essence - Britain has completely "sour" ... The fleet is short, the army is without tanks ... There is not enough money for everything ...

Eugene, obviously they, at the philistine level, count on Bruce Willis's baseball bat and James Bond's Beretta.

[Terenin]

Quote: Clear

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Why does Britain need tanks? On the islands ... until you move to the mainland, the war will end
But in essence - Britain has completely "sour" ... The fleet is short, the army is without tanks ... There is not enough money for everything ...

Eugene, obviously they, at the philistine level, count on Bruce Willis's baseball bat and James Bond's Beretta.

In my opinion James is already running, jumping and stacking everyone in stacks with a submachine gun Hechler & Koch UMP-9

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

But in essence - Britain has completely "sour" ... The fleet is short, the army is without tanks ... There is not enough money for everything ...

And why would the British, in fact, have an army if they have a watchdog in the form of the United States with the most bloated army and navy in the world?

[Senka naughty]

There are no fools there, this Muslim England is not going to get involved in the 3rd world ..

[KAVBER]

And rightly so, in general, let them give up the army and go with their whole island to hell after Atlantis.

[Clear]

Quote: KAVBER

And rightly so, in general, let them give up the army and go with their whole island to hell after Atlantis.

Hope for NATO, and "eternal friendship" with America.

[APASUS]

In my opinion, just an option with the redistribution of money in favor of more expensive equipment.

In case of abandoning tanks, the UK, as part of its contribution to NATO, will focus on attack aircraft, offering its allies 50 Apache attack helicopters

[tralflot1832]

And why England tanks. We will not land troops if we drive something into the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. France and Germany, if they remember old grievances, will crush them economically. And the friend behind the puddle of this "shoe polish" full warehouses. England is England, you fight but keep the money in our banks. Why spoil the English lawns with tanks, their lawns are the same work of art.

[voyaka uh]

"if we drive something into the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean." ///
----
Wow, what a belligerence ...
England has 4 nuclear submarines with ICBMs.
The number of warheads is enough to destroy all the million-plus cities in Russia. And there will be more charges. This is even without the intervention of US nuclear forces.
We must live in peace ... we will be more whole,
friend

[tralflot1832]

The key word is "if that" and they know it, since the time of Khrushchev they have been explaining it. They already have it on the genetic level. Why are 4 nuclear submarines never ready for combat? Because they know that they are already a bargaining chip. On boats, drug addicts, alcoholics, checkpoint yard and not base. Write themselves. Tridents fly not where necessary. Better let them drink whiskey, and I will support. I love Johnny Walker with flowers.

[voyaka uh]

You are in captivity of the captive mood. Russian nuclear submarines are also not all in a stowed state. Repairs, prevention. The fact that a group of sailors were punished for a picnic with girls, on the contrary, testifies to discipline and responsibility. The episode was not hidden, but investigated by the military police.
British fleet: 2 aircraft carriers, 6 destroyers, 12 frigates and nuclear submarines. All surface ships are new.
I also love whiskey, but evaluate a potential opponent soberly.

[tralflot1832]

The Anglican fleet is not the same. Where the promised "Royal" is off the coast of China, in the region of Hong Kong, the archpilag of Spartli and Taiwan. Netuti, even they will not start. I can not imagine a bardel on board a nuclear submarine or SSBN of Russia. Let them thump further. We have a rival behind a puddle. Here is the fleet, so the fleet, you must always be on the alert. And the British let the North Sea, the channel and Giblartar protect. It's a pity the Argentines did not explode ammunition at Malvin, but even so they jumped over their heads. .They showed the value of Her Majesty's fleet.

[voyaka uh]

Uh ... it's debatable who is more dangerous.
The American navy is large and very, very disciplined. They don't give in to any provocations. Not reckless.
And the British ship captains (historically) are often completely reckless.
And it is not customary for them to open the Kingston and sing a farewell song. It is customary for British sailors to shoot at close range, ram, and go all-in.
----
Argentine garrison in the Falklands
in general, it was lucky that they guessed to surrender immediately after the landing of the British. Otherwise they would have cut them with daggers. All the special forces were gathered there. Thugs are still those who stayed up in idleness.

[tralflot1832]

Glory to the Argentine Navy pilots, who, using scrap metal and bombing with scrap metal, staged a small destruction of His Majesty's fleet. No one doubted the victory of Margaret Thatcher, only there was a question at what cost? The price turned out to be wow, but if it wasn't metal that fell from the sky And what that constantly exploding. That the loss of the English fleet was called the Russian "folk" word. In fishermen, they, the British, always turned off. We have two pipes on the steamer, they have one; so we give way to the Russian fisherman. Believe me, there are many ways punish the insolent without violating the rules of navigation. A couple of times our cap taught, in a day they were no longer impudent. And in England sea labor is not held in high esteem. We look who is the captain on iconic ships.

[rocket757]

Great Britain can completely abandon tanks,

maybe can't refuse ... we'll see. In the meantime, it is clear that many are ready to save, save, because a crisis is a reality, and an attack by someone is not necessary.

[evgen1221]

With tanks, they have a PPC full-challenger of the 45g model design apparently completely exhausted the waste, and the new one is expensive and there is no need to make your own, you can have your own with the Rhine metal. Plus, there is no one to drive on the islands, kr, pkr, aviation and navy, in general, that's enough for them. The rest will be put into storage.

[svp67]

Britain may completely abandon tanks

The irony of fate, the "progenitor of tanks", after a century of their use decides to be the first of the "tank" powers to abandon them ...

[Grazdanin]

There are big questions about the MBT concept now. The same KMP refuses them.

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

The same KMP refuses them.

Our Marines have long abandoned them, but that doesn't mean they aren't needed at all. In Britain, several points play against tanks, and the first of them is the high cost of both the chassis itself and its operation and use. Having a relatively small territory of the country and an excellent road network, the British may be inclined to switch to heavy cannon armored vehicles.

[Grazdanin]

I agree. Question to the theater of operations. Britain has no place to apply MBT. And there were no enemies left.

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

And there are no enemies left

How is it, how is it ... And Russia?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: svp67

how is it ... And Russia?

Russia has not been viewed as a military threat by Western Europe and the United States for a long time. The only danger for them is from the strategic nuclear forces.

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

Russia has not been viewed as a military threat by Western Europe and the United States for a long time.

You are now contradicting the statements of their contemporary political and military leaders.

[Grazdanin]

"In military affairs, it is not intentions that are important, but potential." Otto von Bismarck.
I don't care what the politicians say. Their words are worth less than the air spent on speaking them. NATO is not capable of fighting Russia now, only deterrence. And most importantly, we have no reason for war.
With China it is exactly the opposite. There are both potential and reasons.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Grazdanin

I agree. Question to the theater of operations. Britain has no place to apply MBT. And there were no enemies left.

In theory, WBR is a NATO member. And its armed forces were to be built, including based on the needs of NATO as a whole. So the armored forces of VBR for a long time stood guard over the conquests of capitalism in Germany.
In practice, Britain is constantly saving on the army. With the end of the Cold War, the Limes disbanded the British Rhine Army in 1994. After 25 years, it was the turn of her heir, the British forces in Germany. And since there are no more combat-ready formations of the VBR army on the continent, then really - why do they need tanks now?

[Quadro]

Quote: Grazdanin

I agree. Question to the theater of operations. Britain has no place to apply MBT. And there were no enemies left.

Stop sculpting comrades here. The British simply have nowhere to make new tanks. All tank factories sawed off long ago and their maximum is armored AvtoVAZ.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: svp67

Our Marines have long abandoned them.

What are yours? Russian Marines return tanks back

[svp67]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Russian Marines return tanks back

This is when and where, and most importantly, on what to carry them from coast to coast gathered?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: svp67

This is when and where,

In 2019, new states were announced, according to which a tank battalion will be included in the marine brigade. The T-80BVs were already given to the Tikhookenites (in the 19th - at least 10 pieces were news, then I don't know).
"Today, the combat potential of the marines is also increasing due to the introduction of tank units, electronic warfare units and UAVs," Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Lieutenant General Viktor Astapov, said in an interview with the Russian Defense Ministry newspaper "Krasnaya Zvezda" infantry (27).
In general, the main idea is that they are going to make expeditionary troops out of the marines, that is, the range of their tasks will be expanded

[svp67]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The T-80BVs were already given to the Tikhookenites (in the 19th - at least 10 pieces were news, then I don't know).

A company for two brigades ... It's almost nothing.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In general, the main idea is that they are going to make expeditionary troops out of the marines, that is, the range of their tasks will be expanded

Such troops are intended to "work" in isolation from the metropolis, who are we going to fight with far from Russia now, and on what to transport such masses of troops?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: svp67

A company for two brigades ... It's almost nothing.

So this is only the first delivery, there were subsequent ones, I just did not find it right away. I say the same - a tank battalion for a brigade.

Quote: svp67

Such troops are intended to "work" in isolation from the metropolis, this is who we are going to fight with far from Russia now

Right now, for example, in Syria we are at war

[svp67]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Right now, for example, in Syria we are at war

There, simple infantry would have been better suited.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: svp67

There, simple infantry would have been better suited.

Better than a tank, infantry can only come up on the territory of an apartment building ... And that's not a fact

[svp67]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Better than a tank, infantry can only come up on the territory of an apartment building ... And that's not a fact

I mean, motorized riflemen have heavier weapons than marines and airborne troops, and there are simply more of them.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svp67

This is when and where, and most importantly, on what to carry them from coast to coast gathered?

And this is from the same series as the tank companies in the Airborne Forces. For both the Airborne Forces and the Marines have been used exclusively on land as elite infantry in the last 30 years, but they are too "light" for this role.
So they will give them tanks, and they will be transported either by rail or on their own. As a last resort, they will be transferred in some former civilian transport under the flag of the auxiliary fleet - from port to port.

[kalibr]

Quote: svp67

The irony of fate, the "progenitor of tanks", after a century of their use decides to be the first of the "tank" powers to abandon them ...

And very reasonable. It's easier to buy your own enemies than to crush them with tanks. How many of them did the USSR have? 80 thousand, if you count everything, but that did not save him.

[tihonmarine]

In case of abandoning tanks, Great Britain, as part of its contribution to NATO, will focus on assault aircraft

And why does Britain even need an army, police and the National Guard type to drive immigrants. Nobody is going to attack them, if this was the case in 1940. Sit quietly on an unsinkable aircraft carrier, and forget about its former greatness.

[Roman246810]

Nobody is going to attack them

Duck and no one is going to attack us ..
But you can't tell the people about this ..))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Roman246810

Duck and no one is going to attack us.

It's hard to say, we are surrounded by enemies, and Britain is far away from enemies and friends. An island is always an island.

[Pavel73]

Tanks are needed by powers that have long land borders. Britain is not one of those. And, given that the British Empire does not de facto exist, it does not need a powerful ocean-going fleet.

[Alien From]

Let them refuse ...))) in favor of flying saucers)))))

[MMX]

It's a good news.

[Roman246810]

And who will Armata fight against if the opponents give up tanks ??

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Roman246810

And who will Armata fight against if the opponents give up tanks?

I did not notice something in Poland.

[Dzafdet]

It's time for the UK to calm down. And sit on your island as quietly as a mouse under a broom ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dzafdet

It's time for the UK to calm down. And sit on your island as quietly as a mouse under a broom ...

Why, let him bark. That's what Pug is to bark.

[Dikson]

Due to the lack of colonies ... - why do they need tanks? Maybe keep Gibraltar ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dikson

Maybe keep Gibraltar ..

Well, there are tanks up to one place, and indeed I have not seen a single tank there, they will do without them.

[Lesorub]

Britain may completely abandon tanks

Keep it up!! I think the States and Europe need to follow the example of Britain! )

[Roman246810]

This is some kind of shame ..
We invested so much money in the development of the Armata .. and the enemy looked at it .. and abandoned tank battles ..

[Squelcher]

If a new technique is a shame for you, what is not a shame for a spear and a sling?
It's not a pity, it will be necessary - we will spend more.
Yes, and the non-brothers need to leave the field for auto-training, if Armat will not be how they will destroy them in thousands in their wet dreams?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Roman246810

This is some kind of shame ..
We invested so much money in the development of the Armata .. and the enemy looked at it .. and abandoned tank battles ..

And what, we have only one potential adversary Great Britain? No, if you read Samsonov, then it is yes ... but still.
Look, the same Germans are actively modernizing all their "Leos", in parallel increasing their number. And they are looking closely at a new tank with a 130 mm gun.

[voyaka uh]

They got excited.
You don't need to keep many tanks.
But one brigade never hurts.
It is sour during ground operations without tanks.
You can't leave on some cool special forces.

[Dikson]

By the way, yes ... - how will they fight on the streets of London without tanks?

[voyaka uh]

Duc, .. Russia keeps a lot of tanks not for the same, to fight on the streets of Moscow?
Namely, in order not to have to fight in Moscow.
So the British ...

[sharp-lad]

Taki was stated in the article that instead of tanks, cyber troops would be strengthened! Throw Russian armada with mice and clavs! And they will look at it from space. And if it doesn't help, then they'll put monitors and throw off the server!

[Incvizitor]

In the event of a big war, all the same, their island will immediately go under water, but for local wars they are already too small.

[engineer74]

Whoever used the first tanks, they will roll.
nothing else matters

[Lew]

the islanders may well refuse the queen))) they do not care, the rate of their pounds does not depend on the world economy either)))