The State Duma proposes to postpone the beginning of the new academic year

The State Duma deputy invites the Ministry of Education to make a decision to postpone the start of the academic year 2020-2021. We are talking about the proposal of Vasily Vlasov, a parliamentarian representing the LDPR faction in the State Duma.

According to Vasily Vlasov, the beginning of the school year should be postponed for a month for all schoolchildren, as well as for students of secondary specialized educational institutions.

The MP considers such a measure to be justified, as it "will postpone the growth in the number of social contacts, which in turn will prevent the spread of coronavirus infection." Vlasov said that today the incidence of COVID-19 in Russia continues to be high - more than five thousand infected every day.

The MP notes that the postponement of the beginning of the school year to October 1 "will give more time for testing on COVID-19 and will not create an additional burden on medical workers and the infrastructure of the healthcare sector in general."

Earlier, the Ministry of Education said that the academic year would begin on September 1, but without holding general holiday lines. The ban on public events in schools is planned to be maintained until the end of this year.

Comments

[Sofa]

Maybe it can be canceled altogether !!! ??? introduced distance learning how a person can learn on distance learning if everything is copied from the Internet, such sciences as mathematics, chemistry and physics cannot be learned at home and then there will be specialists who do not understand anything because the school does not studied

[Grandfather]

Quote: Couch

Maybe it can be canceled altogether !!! ??? introduced distance learning how a person can learn on distance learning if everything is copied from the Internet, such sciences as mathematics, chemistry and physics cannot be learned at home and then there will be specialists who do not understand anything because the school does not studied

Methodically, nails are hammered into the lid of the education coffin. A "herd" is formed to service the "ventels", as Thatcher said.

[passerby]

Quote: Couch

Maybe it can be canceled altogether !!! ??? introduced distance learning how a person can learn on distance learning if everything is copied from the Internet, such sciences as mathematics, chemistry and physics cannot be learned at home and then there will be specialists who do not understand anything because the school does not studied

Here you are mistaken, now distance learning technologies are much more effective than face-to-face training. As an example, I will give one of the programs for teaching mathematics for tablets. Within 25 minutes, a lesson is broadcast, which is randomly interrupted 5 times and the student is invited to solve an example or answer a theoretical question within 20 seconds (the time may vary depending on the complexity of the problem), all this is done interactively, an example or a question is displayed on the tablet and a virtual keyboard is displayed on which the student must enter the answer. The number of questions and examples for each lesson exceeds 15 and is subject to change, i.e. memorizing the correct answers will not work. The student's behavior is controlled by a camera controlled by a special program that recognizes human facial expressions, the presence of strangers in the frame and assesses how carefully the student listened to the lesson and independently answered questions and solved problems. At the end of the lesson, the teacher evaluates the student's written answers, the assessment result is entered into the software package, which, based on the assessment made by the teacher, based on the analysis of information from the camera and the analysis of clicks on the interactive keyboard, concludes whether the student has mastered the knowledge or not, the next lesson becomes available for the student only on condition of mastering the current lesson. The program allows online videoconference to ask the teacher a question and get an answer to it. Both the question and the answer to it can be seen by the whole class or only by the student and teachers, depending on the wishes of the teacher. Such a program is much more effective than face-to-face training. Here it is impossible to write off and during the lesson every student will be interviewed and if he has not mastered the knowledge he will have to repeat the lesson until the software complex concludes that the knowledge has been mastered. It won't work here.

[The leader of the Redskins]

It's horrible! All this distance is good at three points:
1) Availability of communication facilities.
2) Availability of reliable communication channels.
3) Desire (!) Of the student to learn!
If almost everyone has phones and tablets, then there may be problems with the same connection even in the Yaroslavl region. My mother in the village has a difficult terrain and mobile communication is not ideal everywhere. Some old people have to go outside and climb higher.
And nobody canceled the loafing!

[passerby]

Kamrad spoke about the impossibility of learning remotely, because everything is copied from the Internet, this is not so, I wrote about this, as for the technical problems with the availability of an adequate Internet, this is a slightly different question. I wrote that now the possibilities of distance learning allow literally realizing a personal approach to teaching each individual student, creating the right set of lessons for each student personally. At the same time, the phrase "attended the course of the school" simply loses its relevance, the student simply cannot physically move to the next lesson without mastering the previous one. As for the "desire to learn", in distance learning it is precisely the opportunity for parents to literally online control how the child learns new knowledge is realized, since at the end of each lesson, the parent receives an electronic message about whether the child has learned the topic of the lesson or whether he will have to repeat this lesson again.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It's horrible! All this distance is good at three points:

[Andrey83]

And if the student did not answer the questions, or did not answer correctly? Listened again and didn't answer again? And so 3,5,10,20 times, what then?

[passerby]

Then a psychologist and parents should work with him, he simply does not want to study.

[ghby]

Along with the acquisition of knowledge, the process of socialization of the individual and the acquisition of behavioral skills and teamwork in a team takes place at school. You won't get this on a remote location. The remote may be good with mature personalities, but not with children. Therefore, being remote at school is a utopia. Plus, in the distance, there is no contact between the teacher and the students, the absence of which also negatively affects the learning process.

[passerby]

Quote: ghby

Along with the acquisition of knowledge, the process of socialization of the individual and the acquisition of behavioral skills and teamwork in a team takes place at school. You won't get this on a remote location. The remote may be good with mature personalities, but not with children. Therefore, being remote at school is a utopia. Plus, in the distance, there is no contact between the teacher and the students, the absence of which also negatively affects the learning process.

I believe that the main task of the school is knowledge, communication skills for peers can be obtained by playing sports and walking after school. As for the contact with the teacher, there is one, you can communicate with him online during the lesson and after classes.

[ghby]

Quote: bystander

I believe that the main task of the school is knowledge, communication skills for peers can be obtained by playing sports and walking after school. As for the contact with the teacher, there is one, you can communicate with him online during the lesson and after classes.

This is where the destruction of education will go. Knowledge is written down in books, so you can agree that everyone goes to the library and read encyclopedias and gain knowledge and then pass exams. - It will not work, an unformed personality cannot get knowledge like that. You cannot get the skill of gaining knowledge by communicating with friends on the street. Along with basic knowledge, the school develops the skill of acquiring and communicating. At the same time, direct contact between the teacher and the student is important, we are all social animals, we need communication, besides, a lot of information is not conveyed by words. And children are very susceptible to this, you just do not notice it. And with each communication with a living person, this skill develops, and you want to kill him by remote control. I know from myself that at one time I worked a lot with various people who lie (try to lie), it became no worse than a lie detector to determine any lie.

[passerby]

Quote: ghby

Quote: bystander

I believe that the main task of the school is knowledge, communication skills for peers can be obtained by playing sports and walking after school. As for the contact with the teacher, there is one, you can communicate with him online during the lesson and after classes.

This is where the destruction of education will go. Knowledge is written down in books, so you can agree that everyone goes to the library and read encyclopedias and gain knowledge and then pass exams. - It will not work, an unformed personality cannot get knowledge like that. You cannot get the skill of gaining knowledge by communicating with friends on the street. Along with basic knowledge, the school develops the skill of acquiring and communicating. At the same time, direct contact between the teacher and the student is important, we are all social animals, we need communication, besides, a lot of information is not conveyed by words. And children are very susceptible to this, you just do not notice it. And with each communication with a living person, this skill develops, and you want to kill him by remote control. I know from myself that at one time I worked a lot with various people who lie (try to lie), it became no worse than a lie detector to determine any lie.

Why are you telling me all this? Using my two children as an example, I saw and appreciated how effective modern methods of distance, interactive education are, and you tell me how bad it is and that nothing will work out. You are directly arguing Zhvanetsky about the taste of oysters and coconuts with those who have tried them. I have something to compare with, in 3 months I saw impressive results that my children showed and I know what results they had before.

[ghby]

Quote: bystander

I have something to compare with, in 3 months I saw impressive results that my children showed and I know what results they had before.

Well, yes, where am I to your experience. A neighbor is a primary school teacher, two of them studied with my brother, and one for me.

[Vadim237]

No one cancels school and its attendance without fail - so take it easy.

[Roman246810]

In general, very few people want to study in childhood .. All schoolchildren wake up and go with a kick ..

[passerby]

In general, I agree, just with the form of distance education that we tried, I see my child's shoals immediately online and can immediately react to them, and the child understands that cheating will not work until the software complex recognizes that the program has been learned from the child no one gets off, so it's cheaper to understand and learn right away.

[Pivot]

What if he doesn't answer in a modern school?

[zadorin1974]

Good Igor. Distance education becomes wonderful only if additional knowledge is obtained. When a student wants !!!!! HIMSELF !!!! to receive additional knowledge that he does not receive in his school or technical school (he named it in the old way). Otherwise, everything goes through strict parental control. My youngest has LISTENED now !!! a second grade course (I can't even name the language differently). This is provided that I go to the service on a fluid schedule and with the crown could give her half a day to control learning ( after the first week, it was not that shaking me, I left to chop the wood, so as not to break down). All summer we are engaged with the tutor (a very wonderful and patient girl). And what will be at school? the other children have been playing naughty since May, respectively the level in the class will drop at times.
Now, according to the general level of secondary special education. In the second job (between shifts), I was led to the request of the college (former technical school), I took five third-year students (fur, agriculture, future mechanics technicians) for practice. He led them for two years with a diploma project. The first two months I just hung up !!!!! I let the repair box only after passing the technical minimum (they taught a week according to the instructions of 74 years for SUT, age 10-12), on the first day they didn’t cripple half of the locksmiths. zero !!!! In two years they hammered into their heads what they could. The result - one kicked out in two weeks, one defended against four, three perfectly well, but this is a special case. On the defense of their group, I just had a tres half with help kick out.This is modern EDUCATION,

[passerby]

Quote: zadorin1974

Good Igor. Distance education becomes wonderful only if additional knowledge is obtained. When a student wants !!!!! HIMSELF !!!! to receive additional knowledge that he does not receive in his school or technical school (he named it in the old way). Otherwise, everything goes through strict parental control. My youngest has LISTENED now !!! a second grade course (I can't even name the language differently). This is provided that I go to the service on a fluid schedule and with the crown could give her half a day to control learning ( after the first week, it was not that shaking me, I left to chop the wood, so as not to break down). All summer we are engaged with the tutor (a very wonderful and patient girl). And what will be at school? the other children have been playing naughty since May, respectively the level in the class will drop at times.
Now, according to the general level of secondary special education. In the second job (between shifts), I was led to the request of the college (former technical school), I took five third-year students (fur, agriculture, future mechanics technicians) for practice. He led them for two years with a diploma project. The first two months I just hung up !!!!! I let the repair box only after passing the technical minimum (they taught a week according to the instructions of 74 years for SUT, age 10-12), on the first day they didn’t cripple half of the locksmiths. zero !!!! In two years they hammered into their heads what they could. The result - one kicked out in two weeks, one defended against four, three perfectly well, but this is a special case. On the defense of their group, I just had a tres half with help kick out.This is modern EDUCATION,

It is for this reason that I am delighted with the distance education that we tried.

[akarfoxhound]

Aha, "repeat this lesson again" in large families, for sure! Most of them are below the poverty line (and these are not Gypsies), but here we buy computers in packs, yeah

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: akarfoxhound

and here we buy computers in packs, yeah

The well-fed does not understand the hungry. Yes, even if they gave it out for free, there will always be clever quacks who, during the lessons, will arrange communication / computer breakdowns. One's microphone will break, it will wave its hands, another will hang up, say that Ragozin is probably to blame with his companions, the third will be cut off by the terrorists at the entrance. It's all bullshit.

[akarfoxhound]

Thats exactly what I mean...

[Asad]

And how many students can a teacher lead? Not everyone has wired internet, and mobile even in Novosibirsk is buggy!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ASAD

Not everyone has wired internet, and mobile even in Novosibirsk is buggy!

Wired is buggy too.

[passerby]

Quote: ASAD

And how many students can a teacher lead?

The teacher leads the same number of students, the marks for answers are given immediately after the lesson or during the lesson. The teaching technology is slightly different due to the very high intensity of teaching, lessons last 25 minutes, a break between all lessons is 15 minutes. As a result, during the same time, the student receives 2,5 times more knowledge. For a year of study using this method, on average, a program of 2,5 years of study is mastered according to the usual method. At the same time, the inclinations and characteristics of children are revealed after 3 months of training and for each child the training program is adjusted based on his inclinations and characteristics, i.e. a child inclined to the exact sciences can theoretically master a mathematics course in 4 classes of regular education in a year.

[RwFanat_Kirov]

Igor, sorry for the question. Do you have anything to do with pedagogy and teaching methods, are you familiar with the psycho-age characteristics of children? You defend distance education so categorically that I have questions on what basis you came up with all this. You are completely divorced from the work of the education system and its specifics, this time, you absolutely do not understand and do not want to understand all the technical and material difficulties that arise in front of the students, their parents and educational institutions, these are two, you apparently do not at all understand the need to socialize adolescents, this is three, you are completely missing out on issues such as field trips in special education institutions. Respectfully your teacher of the highest category

[passerby]

Quote: RwFanat_Kirov

Igor, sorry for the question. Do you have anything to do with pedagogy and teaching methods, are you familiar with the psycho-age characteristics of children? You defend distance education so categorically that I have questions on what basis you came up with all this. You are completely divorced from the work of the education system and its specifics, this time, you absolutely do not understand and do not want to understand all the technical and material difficulties that arise in front of the students, their parents and educational institutions, these are two, you apparently do not at all understand the need to socialize adolescents, this is three, you are completely missing out on issues such as field trips in special education institutions. Respectfully your teacher of the highest category

I treat all this as a parent of 2 children, who in practice tried this method of education, my wife and I really liked it, the children were not very good at first, because all of their shoals immediately became known to us, but then they also got involved and got used not to skip, but to give their all 100 percent. As a result, in 3 months of such studies, the children mastered the annual training program according to the usual program. This academic year we will continue to study according to such a program, for such interactive and distance learning forms the future. By the way, exams for this program last 4 days in each subject and the student must answer not random questions from the ticket, but all the questions that he had to master according to the course of study. Plus an interview with a teacher who does not participate in the learning process and who must separately assess how the student understands the relationship between sections of the training program and realizes where and how the knowledge gained can find its applied application. It is this kind of training that gives real fundamental knowledge. And socialization can be obtained in other places, my children go in for sports and walk, communicating with their peers. They still go to school for knowledge. And what "industrial practice are you talking about"? How does this practice relate to mathematics, physics and chemistry?

[ghby]

Quote: bystander

How does this practice relate to mathematics, physics and chemistry?

I can't imagine physics and chemistry without laboratory work.

[passerby]

Quote: ghby

I can't imagine physics and chemistry without laboratory work.

They watch how the teacher does these experiments and ask questions if something is not clear

[ghby]

Quote: bystander

They watch how the teacher does these experiments and ask questions if something is not clear

as well as smells and other properties determined on the Internet? The meaning of laboratory work is not to see how another person does something, but to learn how to do it yourself. You can read a thousand times, and even learn how to ride a bicycle, a car, fly an airplane, etc. but without practice you will not go anywhere, fly, swim, etc. - crash, drown. Following your logic, we will get a generation of people who do not know how to do anything, who may know theory (theory cannot be learned without practice, this is how we are created), but will be absolutely nonexistent in practice, to such an extent that one can say that they know nothing.

[passerby]

Do not invent, when I was in the Soviet school we had neither experiments nor laboratory ones due to the lack of regents and equipment, and there were no video lessons with experiments either, nevertheless, we knew physics and chemistry quite well. At school, experiments and laboratory tests are needed to instill interest in these sciences in children, and not to develop certain skills, so there is no need to compare them with driving a car.

[ghby]

Quote: bystander

Do not invent, when I was in the Soviet school we had neither experiments nor laboratory ones due to the lack of regents and equipment, and there were no video lessons with experiments either, nevertheless, we knew physics and chemistry quite well.

It is doubtful how you write, maybe not in the Soviet? I had everything at school, both chemicals and experiments. and a labor lesson with machines and a shooting gallery with air.

Quote: bystander

At school, experiments and laboratory tests are needed to instill interest in these sciences in children, and not to develop certain skills, so there is no need to compare them with driving a car.

if you believe in this continue, do not insist, but God forbid, on your way there will be similar ignoramuses - theorists without practice. and it is better to study the properties of electricity in the laboratory under the supervision of a teacher and not by shoving a plug into an outlet.

[passerby]

I have already answered you above, I will not repeat myself.

[Sofa]

The question is not even what kind of questions it will be possible to skip or not, we all studied at school and everyone learns the subject in different ways, some quickly learn one subject, and it is impossible to learn another without the help of a teacher, communication with peers at school is psychological hardening and much more, so I don’t need to tell me the advantages of distance learning, they simply do not exist, and then people grow up who are not adapted to life, who are bogged down on the Internet and computers

[passerby]

I have a different opinion on this, based on the teaching practice of 2 of my children.

[akropin]

Distance learning can be an educational element and nothing more.

[Asad]

How much to delay? In the fall, DOI will also go to acute respiratory infections, they will not vaccinate for sure yet! Well, distance learning from the stories of friends is generally gloomy!

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Wrong word! Somehow I came to visit a friend of my teacher, there was a guy with a smart look at the laptop, and she sits on the sidelines and solves problems. It turned out that for the period of self-isolation, parents from Moscow to their small homeland were sent to their grandfather and grandmother , and just like that, I successfully passed the exams remotely at my Moscow institute! Both laughter and sin, as they say ..

[zadorin1974]

Good Ragnar Lothbrok! At one time I taught and handed over materials and materials in almost the same way. I cursed my laziness and stupidity a thousand times. While there were strong teachers I had to study through reluctance, but now the tram has already left !!!! Youth, damn it !! !

[ycuce234-san]

For educational purposes, you can torture free software for resistors, along the way reading books and an Internet (https://habr.com/ru/post/423359/): CalculiX (http://calculix.de/), OpenFOAM (https: // openfoam.org/), LISA 8.0.0 (https://lisafea.com/), FRUND (http://frund.vstu.ru/), SALOME (https://www.salome-platform.org/, http://www.laduga.ru/salome/index.shtml), Onshape (https://www.onshape.com/).
It is also useful in everyday life - to calculate a homemade horizontal bar, a self-welding garage stove, or to check a homemade country fence, a gate by calculation.

[zadorin1974]

Good time. I'll try, otherwise now I have to run to the person to count)))) She constantly shoves me .The habit of laying the load and thickness from the heart)))

[tuts]

I repeat How do such materials relate to the subject of the resource?

[Grandfather]

Quote: tots

I repeat How do such materials relate to the subject of the resource?

education is about the security of the country, is that clear?

[Gardamir]

education refers to the security of the country,

You will also say that not only visitors to this resource, but even the government believe that the country does not need education, medicine, and culture.

[tuts]

well ok: Agriculture is also important and we need to publish materials on growing potatoes and wheat
Education is important, but damn the resource is more suited to military review and not all-in-one garbage cans

[Roman246810]

education is about the security of the country, is that clear?

And the article is just talking about the opposite .. Paradox ..))

[Thrifty]

Tatuped decided to promote himself! They are not able to offer anything that is necessary and clever, so they grab onto the removal of Lenin's body, now education has prevented them!

[Angelo Provolone]

of course it is necessary to transfer. In fact, it's still summer in September and I don't want to study.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Angelo Provolone

In fact, it's still summer in September and I don't want to study.

What class are you in?

[samarin1969]

According to Vasily Vlasov, the beginning of the school year should be postponed for a month for all schoolchildren, as well as for students of secondary specialized educational institutions.

Ha! I would like to see it! Parents are "on their last legs" from their offspring. If the Liberal Democratic Party dreams of seeing a "parental revolt", then this will undoubtedly achieve.

ps As of this morning, teachers have a vague idea of ​​how "nondistant" will happen. With changes and 2,5 sq. m per student - unreal! And what will happen if there are "kovadniki" at school ?! All - "for isolation"? .. Rospotrebnadzor again made up unrealizable nonsense.

[sergo1914]

Quote: samarin1969

According to Vasily Vlasov, the beginning of the school year should be postponed for a month for all schoolchildren, as well as for students of secondary specialized educational institutions.

Ha! I would like to see it! Parents are "on their last legs" from their offspring. If the Liberal Democratic Party dreams of seeing a "parental revolt", then this will undoubtedly achieve.

ps As of this morning, teachers have a vague idea of ​​how "nondistant" will happen. With changes and 2,5 sq. m per student - unreal! And what will happen if there are "kovadniki" at school ?! All - "for isolation"? .. Rospotrebnadzor again made up unrealizable nonsense.

Exactly. And a few more streams. We have already glued tapes of different colors on the floor. They think that students of different streams will walk along them. With the distribution of food groups in general anecdote.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: sergo1914

We have already glued tapes of different colors on the floor. They think that students from different streams will walk along them.

Logically, it is necessary to draw a separate desk and a safety circle for each, like that of Homa Brut.

[sergo1914]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: sergo1914

We have already glued tapes of different colors on the floor. They think that students from different streams will walk along them.

Logically, it is necessary to draw a separate desk and a safety circle for each, like that of Homa Brut.

Comment of the day. Definitely. No sarcasm.

[rotmistr60]

Vasily Vlasov, a parliamentarian representing the LDPR faction

The ministry decided on the start date of the school year on September 1 (of course, they consulted with virologists), but then at the last moment, like the devil from a snuffbox, a deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia jumps out with his proposal. A week before the start of the school year, you just need to make confusion and discuss an empty proposal.

[Sofa]

And we have so recently proposals and are being introduced along with the laws)))

[Van 16]

School is not only teaching mathematics, physics, etc. It is also learning to communicate, the ability to behave in a team.
The granddaughter goes to the first grade, and no longer, they do not warn, but very unobtrusively hint that they should prepare for remote training in October. We'll see. But I really would not like it.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Van 16

School is not only teaching mathematics, physics, etc. It is also learning to communicate, the ability to behave in a team.

The grandson has already gotten us - "When to school?" He is eager to go there, mainly, not for knowledge, but for the living, and not via Skype, communication with friends and teachers. In addition, the school has circles, and sections, and laboratory works and teaching aids that cannot be reproduced on a remote basis.

[Van 16]

Here! The courtyard friends were almost all confused, but the school friends stayed, we still communicate. And we remember the teachers with a kind word

[Gardamir]

training in communication, the ability to behave in a team.

liberalism in the yard, with my friend. Every man for himself and we will go north.
Look closely at how we insult each other remotely
This is the new ideology of the state, and the covid is just an excuse.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gardamir

Look closely at how we insult each other remotely

[uav80]

It is better that the GDP for another couple of months sent all and most importantly the deputies of the state dura to strict self-isolation ...

PS: the summer is over, but I still have not rested, everything is pancake at work ...

[Roman246810]

Politicians don't need educated citizens.
Otherwise, they will stop believing in all sorts of baranoviruses ..

[ZVS]

In the Liberal Democratic Party, idiots have always been over the edge. Apparently they get infected from their leader.

[Dzafdet]

Deputies in the State Duma are furious with fat. There is nothing to do or what?

[Captain45]

I heard this initiative on the radio in the morning and immediately a thought arose: is it a deputy or .... (the name of Dostoevsky's novel) and then there is an association with a deputy with a lazy cat who has nothing to do.

[Tank hard]

"Specialists" from education discussed the news.

[iouris]

It depends on who offers. There are such characters ...

[Prisoner]

Our person. You can see right away that he was still a bum.

[petrol cutter]

I look, the marazm does not retreat.
Although, the authorities know better ...
Presumably, right now, everyone lives in a vacuum. And they go exclusively to the OZK.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Moskal .... Muscovites .... Muscovites for RUSSIANS and others ..... not disgusting ....., they will come up with surprises .....

[Lew]

when a deputy is 25 years old, his personal nonsense is quite understandable.

[Drugov]

Stupid animal.