British Army will switch to electric vehicles

UK-based NP Aerospace is commissioned by the military to develop an innovative hybrid drive system for vehicles. The work is being carried out in conjunction with General Dynamics UK, Supacat and Magtec, which are creating prototypes of Foxhound and Jackal 2 vehicles for the army. The British government has allocated three million pounds for this.

The head of the British Defense Department, Jeremy Quinn, said that the introduction of a hybrid drive would increase the stability and combat effectiveness of army vehicles:

These developments will provide our armed forces with the latest, safest and most efficient technology, while continuing to support the prosperity of the British army.

Using the new engines, the military will have significant advantages, as they make less noise, making the movement of units more secretive. In addition, the UK Armed Forces' dependence on fossil fuels will be reduced, in line with the government's plans to reduce carbon dioxide emissions to near zero by 2050.

The British military is currently continuing to test the new hybrid engine system in Jackal wheeled reconnaissance vehicles and MRAP Ocelot vehicles of the 1st Royal Dragoon Guards.

Comments

[newcomer]

Foxhond? _ Plagiarism! ... But honestly, will the hybrid be able to provide the required power for a military armored car with a tonnage wife? Something I doubt.

[Temples]

The British Army will switch to electric vehicles.

This is good.
This technique is guaranteed to rise on the second day of the war.

[culinary]

Quote: Temples

The British Army will switch to electric vehicles.

This is good.
This technique is guaranteed to rise on the second day of the war.

Local police have already howled from electric vehicles. When chasing, or just rushing to a call, the batteries run out very, very quickly. Electric vehicles will no longer be purchased for emergency services. Maximum hybrids for standard patrolling of parks, beaches, parking lots, etc.
This problem was voiced at the end of last year. Two arrests in a row were thwarted. The BBC wrote about it.
Now you decided to recoup the military?

[Buffet]

In Russia there is R&D "Krymsk", is this also garbage? And where do such conclusions come from that on the "second day"?

[Split]

Taking care of the environment by creating military vehicles

[Same lech]

What the hell is ecology in a war ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

What the hell is ecology in a war ...

Environmentally friendly armored vehicles fire, setting fire to the area ...
Funny ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Split

Taking care of the environment by creating military vehicles

not enough! armored cars must still quickly decompose without harm to nature

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

The main thing is to have an electrical outlet nearby.

[Svetlana]

A hybrid drive, as described above, is not an electric vehicle. Although ... the title does not correspond to the text and make a mistake in the comment like two fingers on the asphalt.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svetlana

A hybrid drive, as described above, is not an electric vehicle.

Something tricky turns out. We have Volvo-Hybrid buses, it has an electric motor on batteries, up to a speed of 20 km. the electric engine is working, the diesel is higher. After a few hours, recharging at a special station.
What kind of charging can be on the battlefield, or in military conditions. Well, if only in Britain on a good road to roll girls, then it'll do.

[pereselenec]

Quote: tihonmarine

What kind of charging can be on the battlefield, or in military conditions.

What kind of refueling can be on the battlefield, or in a military environment.

[Same lech]

The main thing is to have an electrical outlet nearby.

Yes ... especially in the desert ... in a dense forest or in the middle of a swamp.

[Metlik]

What is the problem then? You can even take a small generator with you on the same machine. But in the "silent" mode, it is more convenient to conduct reconnaissance.

[Same lech]

You can even take a small generator with you on the same machine.

There is no logic here to charge an electric car you need to carry a generator running on gasoline ... and laugh and sin.

[Gnefredov]

A "small generator" will charge your battery for more than eight hours, with all the ensuing consequences.

[Grazdanin]

An electric car and a hybrid car are 2 big differences.

[Gnefredov]

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Negative temperatures are also harmful to lithium accumulators - they reduce the energy output. If we compare the supply of energy delivered at +20 ° С and other temperatures, then:
when the temperature drops to +4 ° С, the amount of energy supplied decreases by 5–7%;
with a subsequent decrease in temperature below 0 ° С, 40-50% of the capacity is lost, and the battery resource is prematurely exhausted.
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Well, they are extreme;)

[Insurgent]

Quote: Gnefredov

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Negative temperatures are also harmful to lithium accumulators - they reduce the energy output. If we compare the supply of energy delivered at +20 ° С and other temperatures, then:
when the temperature drops to +4 ° С, the amount of energy supplied decreases by 5–7%;
with a subsequent decrease in temperature below 0 ° С, 40-50% of the capacity is lost, and the battery resource is prematurely exhausted.
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Well, they are extreme;)

Nothing They will supply extra batteries to heat the batteries ...

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Insurgent

Nothing They will supply extra batteries to heat the batteries ...

... and pedal generators for recharging. The phrase "pedal horse" will finally become clear to them :)

[Roman246810]

We love to laugh at the west ..))
Admit it .. who laughed in the article about how these Westerners plan to invent a "computer" .. and put it in the phone .. and then connect it to the satellite ..))

Shl .. and some people still laugh at Tesla even now ..

zzy .. In general, the article is just simply gorgeous for such a site .. here you can write about the pedals .. and about the stoves .. Patriotism is growing by leaps and bounds ..))

[Gnefredov]

Well, you stuffed your message. They pulled from everything that was possible (and out of place). I'll tell you so. In the taiga, to hell with batteries. Firewood and diesel fuel are your salvation. The first will not let you freeze, the second will save you from the midges and unfriendly mammals.
In the end, you somehow distinguish humor from were.

[Roman246810]

As it is in fact - and stuffed it .. We have a Western home and at work, there is more than our own .. so laugh as if there are only morons sitting there .. at least stupid ..

(and out of place)

But about stove stoves and pedal horses, everyone immediately rushed to the place to write ..))


And with regards to the taiga, I can answer this way .. Somewhere it is good to hit with a rocket, but somewhere with a pistol .. And, for sure, the Anglo-Saxons understand no worse than us where to use what ..

[pereselenec]

Quote: Roman246810

We love to laugh at the west ..))
Admit it .. who laughed in the article about how these Westerners plan to invent a "computer" .. and put it in the phone .. and then connect it to the satellite ..))

[Lopatov]

Quote: Roman246810

Admit it .. who laughed in the article about how these Westerners plan to invent a "computer" .. and put it in the phone .. and then connect it to the satellite ..))

I still remember how we rode for winter combat shooting of the third year. When the frost was at minus 32, the microcomputer simply refused to work .... Well, the teachers in the classroom regularly took away all electronics, such as the "sat down calculator" ...

By the way, about "shove it into the phone and connect to the satellite" .... When an iPhone lights up, you can quickly put it into a bucket of water, but what to do with an APC?

[Roman246810]

and what to do with the armored personnel carrier?

Better than me, the answer to this question is known to those whose rovers have been traveling for years at temperatures no more comfortable than minus 32 ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: Roman246810

Better than me, the answer to this question is known to those whose rovers have been traveling for years at temperatures no more comfortable than minus 32 ..

Well, if the British are ready to buy armored vehicles at the price of a rover each, I will only be glad of this

[Gnefredov]

You pinned him not badly. But Roman, as I understand it, is a theorist. He "drowns to the fullest" for technology never once faced with them in reality.
I somehow remember trucks without tires somewhere near Magadan. Probably burned tires - charge the batteries.
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Roman, I have nothing against technology. Technology is good. But here's another hundred, one hundred and fifty years ...

[Lopatov]

These technologies are not yet ready for full-fledged use in the troops.
Although I believe that the future belongs to the electromechanical transmission.

The batteries have not yet reached the required specific capacity, price and safety. On the strength of "molecular storage" and other capacitors ... But it will not be quite a hybrid

As far as I remember, "Krymsk" used supercapacitors

[Gnefredov]

Of course not ready. We do not have a universal (how to call it?). Drive. This is the root of the problem.
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A-yes. Lithium Ion - Owl on Globe.
Does not work.

[not main]

Quote: Gnefredov

Gnefredov (Gregory) Today, 16: 30 New

No, it's simple! If you got up in the winter, then drain the water and burn the spare tire! Then burn everything that burns! If you're lucky, they'll find you! If not, they will also find it, but it will not be interesting to you !!

[Gnefredov]

Yes. 30 meters per hour sounds convincing.
Bad example.

[Gnefredov]

Oh. They will do it :) We must attend to the sale of licenses for the "stove-potbelly stove". She is omnivorous. And a diesel engine will use firewood, and a lithium-ion one will digest;)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

They will supply extra batteries to heat the batteries

Potbelly stoves on wood for heating.

[vadimtt]

Quote: Gnefredov

with a subsequent decrease in temperature below 0 ° С - 40-50% of the capacity is lost

Well, how to say, LTO batteries almost do not lose capacity down to -30 and work up to -60. With a huge number of cycles and high charging currents.
So everything is fine. Stealth for airplanes is expensive too

[Lopatov]

Quote: vadimtt

So everything is fine.

Aha

[Gnefredov]

Up to -60? !!! Let's refer to practical tests. Sorry, I won't take your word for it. The Chinese scooter hardly rides at zero degrees. I want to see -60.
Thank you.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gnefredov

I want to see -60.

Easily.
Think back to the self-heating "airplane" battery

[Gnefredov]

Then hydrocarbons. An unfortunate example. And doubly unsuccessful, if we recall the idea of ​​self-heating of silver-zinc batteries. There, and so a little more than a hundred charge / discharge cycles (this is less than that of lead-acid batteries) and it ended ... It ended badly.

[vadimtt]

Well, at least so - http://www.toshiba.ru/products/products-for-business/litiy-titanatnye-akkumulyatory-scib/
This is "household". There are also military men. Yes, which are up to -60 with self-heating (heating elements directly in the electrode grid). Up to -30 without heating.

[Gnefredov]

It was useful to study. Thank!

[Gnefredov]

Vadim. I spent several hours studying the topic (in the light of modern technology).
This "thing" is disposable. Yes, Toshiba is great. But this does not work in continuous use mode.

[Gnefredov]

The whole site was covered. There is no price list.
How much is this miracle (really, great product) in terms of standard ampere-hours. I am particularly interested in a battery of 80 ampere-hours.
What do the Japanese have?

[vadimtt]

Look at taobao, the Chinese
They sell used batteries from municipal transport, the residual resource is still large (up to 10 thousand cycles, with low internal resistance).
You cannot approach the new ones, they stand like a cast-iron bridge, besides, for such fantastic capacities of 80 kA / H.
And what does "disposable" mean? It lives for tens of years at +25 g and the number of cycles of years for 30 daily charges

[HAM]

Usually, at the beginning of hostilities, one of the first power plants are destroyed ... "soldier-motor" will replace the generator and fossil fuel and quickly charge the battery ... all THIS is if only to "maintain the prosperity of the British army" ... then it is understandable.

[rocket757]

The most environmentally concerned part of the state, it looks like the army

[g1washntwn]

And gunpowder? It burns mercilessly and burns clean air! Disgrace, you need to switch to environmentally friendly clubs ... although there is also an ambush, you cannot break trees, and rottenness crumbles when it hits the enemy ...)))

[Gnefredov]

And on an eco-friendly charge by raising a hydrogen balloon on a steel wire during a thunderstorm.
I assure you the effect will be indescribable

[rocket757]

Better to dilute hydrogen with air !!! Then the "explosive mixture" will turn out and bang will be much more effective!

[Gnefredov]

Oh. Well yes. 2: 1 if memory serves. Thank :)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Better to dilute hydrogen with air !!! Then the "explosive mixture" will turn out and bang will be much more effective!

This happened at one time in the Navy, the work of a diesel engine under water, boats are popularly called "lighters". A division of these was in Linnahamari. More hydrogen explosion, less fire.

[rocket757]

In boats, in those days, there was something to burn and bang! However, even now, the service there is no better than in the powder warehouse!

[Svetlana]

And gunpowder? It burns mercilessly and burns clean air! 

Gunpowder does not burn air.

[rocket757]

Quote: Svetlana

And gunpowder? It burns mercilessly and burns clean air! 

Gunpowder does not burn air.

Combustion products that result from the combustion of gunpowder in air are not very suitable for ... breathing, for example. so sho one fig.

[Gnefredov]

In! and I mean too.

[Gnefredov]

No, well, it is clear that he does not need oxygen from outside. But it stinks, you must agree :)

[Insurgent]

Quote: Gnefredov

No, well, it is clear that he does not need oxygen from outside.

But when the gunpowder burns in an oxygen atmosphere, its "burnout" (participation in the oxidation process) additionally occurs.

[Peter is not the first]

I agree, it does not burn oxygen from the ambient air, the oxidizer is already in the very formula of smokeless powder. But when gunpowder is burned, carbon dioxide, water and nitrogen oxide are formed. With CO2, the situation is ambiguous, with its emissions to fight, but here we can say that since gunpowder is produced from plant materials, for example cotton, then its balance is zero, how much CO2 was absorbed during the growth of cotton, the same amount was released during burning of gunpowder. But the release of nitric oxide is definitely detrimental to the environment. So it is necessary for the "British scientists" and the greens to pay attention to this and prohibit the British army from using gunpowder and explosives.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Svetlana

Gunpowder does not burn air.

Yeah drop it The oxygen contained in the atmosphere, along with the oxidizing agent in the powder, takes an active part in the combustion / explosion process, that is, it partially "burns out" ...

[Rzzz]

Gunpowder does not burn air; the oxygen necessary for combustion is contained in the gunpowder itself. In black powder - in the composition of nitrate, smokeless gunpowder is itself cellulose nitrate with three oxygen atoms.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: rzzz

Gunpowder does not burn air

... and the ")))" icon or a smiley at the end of a phrase means that it was a joke. Bambarmia kirgudu.

[Rzzz]

I am one of those retrogrades who wrote emoticons like this: :-)
I categorically do not perceive the parenthesis as a smiley.

[rocket757]

In general, all human activity leaves a lot of things that are deadly for nature !!! It's just that the army is accustomed to arrange a quick, major defeat ...

[A. Privalov]

I remember something, as at the end of the Vietnam War, "Foreign Military Review" wrote about the development of an American "omnivorous" platform for vehicles of different carrying capacity. It was a prototype of a device that could ride on anything that burns: gasoline, diesel fuel, gas, fuel oil, coal, wood, etc. A kind of gas generating creation, which in turn was supposed to drive an electric generator supplying current to the electric motors of the wheels. More than forty years have passed. New batteries, materials and technologies have appeared. Let's see what happens with the British.

[Insurgent]

1)

Quote: A. Privalov

It was a prototype device

2)

Quote: A. Privalov

More than forty years have passed.

3)

Quote: A. Privalov

Let's see what happens with the British.

Item ONE (1) will work.

[Old Michael]

"Foreign Military Review" wrote ...

EMNIP, it was "Foreign Military Review".
At the same time, Science and Life (again, EMNIP) contained an article about the fundamental possibility of using any hydrocarbons to generate electricity with an efficiency of at least 40%, and in the limit - up to 75-80%.
Although specific technologies were not given, there was only speculative reasoning based on the results of individual studies and experiments.
Since then, technologies have not stood still. Perhaps rethinking those ideas will bear fruit?

[Clueless]

Quote: newbie

Foxhond? _ Plagiarism! ... But honestly, will the hybrid be able to provide the required power for a military armored car with a tonnage wife? Something I doubt.

BELAZ is a hybrid, if not in the know, there electric motors turn the wheels

[Grazdanin]

For Bradley, the United States is considering the same scheme. It seems that there were projects of our armored personnel carriers with a hybrid installation. High torque and the absence of a gearbox are the main advantages of electric motors. The internal combustion engine, as a source of electricity, operates at the most optimal parameters, which saves its resource and increases efficiency.

[Rzzz]

BelAZ is not a hybrid, it does not know how to accumulate energy. It just has a continuously variable electric transmission. Like a diesel locomotive.
According to this scheme, they still loved to build non-standard tanks. You can recall one of the first tanks in the world - "Saint-Chamond", German Ferdinand, Maus.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bad

BELAZ is a hybrid, if not in the know, there electric motors turn the wheels

Ferdinand Porsche also designed a VK 4502 (P) tank with an electromechanical transmission. But the project was not accepted due to the high cost. But on the Panzerkampfwagen VIII "Maus" such a transmission was installed, but things did not go beyond 3 copies, the Reich ceased to exist. The Soviet soldier won.

[voyaka uh]

Where noiselessness is needed "on a jump" to the enemy, the electric motor drives.
He jumped up silently - fired. I drove off.
And on the marches, move on the internal combustion engine.

[Gnefredov]

Well, you have named mutually exclusive conditions. If you do not make the march stealthy, then the batteries will add little. If the area of ​​deployment is disclosed, then the batteries will not help. A tactical miracle will arrive and a la verda.
For drones (including ground ones), yes, it will work. But with a bunch (no, with a bunch) reservations. It's too early for a live crew to speculate. However, the likelihood of his defeat on the route negates all the advantages of noiselessness of electric motors. After all (if I understood correctly) we are moving forward on a hybrid (we turn electric generators with trivial diesel engines) and only at the "X" hour we go noiselessly on batteries.
Hmm. This tactic has certain drawbacks. However, I mentioned it above.

[voyaka uh]

Both tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will be hybrid.
And precisely for the reason that I have voiced.
The tank, even before the ATGM driver spotted it visually, betrays itself with the roar of the engine. This allows the ATGM operator to prepare the system for firing. And the tank, which drove out noiselessly, will have time to fire a couple of shots before being aimed at it.

[Gnefredov]

So that's what we are talking about. When will it be possible to provide a course of 600-1000 km. on batteries, there will be something to discuss. Namely: smokelessness; secrecy (visual by the way, because in the electromagnetic range all "trains" are in full view); unpretentiousness in service.
In the meantime, referring to hybrids is not a very strong position for a dispute.
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PS Yes. I carefully read your comment below (where about Tesla). I suppose you are "in the clouds." Tesla does not live at all in our conditions for more than a year and a half (replacement battery). They don't write about it in advertising brochures. But oh well. There will be a reason / time to tell you more.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Gnefredov

Tesla does not live at all in our conditions for more than a year and a half

Russia is not viewed as a sales market and theater of operations. Economically, we are not interesting and no one is going to fight with us. So why should they provide operating modes for our climate and conditions?

[Gnefredov]

Take a lower latitude and climb a couple of thousand meters. Crossing "0" is guaranteed to you twice a day. North Korea, Kilimanjaro. I don’t visit South America at all.
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We are not arguing about that, if at all :)
All these batteries, batteries, direct drives and motor-wheels really exist. But they will not have practical application in the framework of applied military science in the next hundred years.
We had one, Tukhachevsky. Thanks for getting drunk.

[Grazdanin]

Everything you talk about has a technical solution. The question of the price and necessity of this solution If a hybrid engine does not provide new properties, it is not needed. And to make it work up to -273 degrees Celsius is technically possible, but pointless.
And armored vehicles are already arriving in the army with hybrid engines, the same L-ATVs. In this case, the hybrid engine gave fuel economy, increased cross-country ability, and most importantly, an autonomous energy source to power various devices with a reduced consumption of motor resources.
This is not a question of "100 years", hybrid engines are already in the army, with the development of technologies and cheaper prices, they will increase. Let's look at the new programs that will come out. The fact that hybrids are the future is a fact, ICE has reached its limit. Purely electric motors are in question at the current stage of technical development.

[Gnefredov]

You should write a separate article on this topic
Really, I will be the first curious reader.
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PS really interesting.

[Grazdanin]

These articles have already been written, but the truth is in English, we are on the periphery of world development, they do not write sensible in Russian. Unfortunately. Usually I look at the article here, find its source, then back here in the comments

[Gnefredov]

Hmm. The times of Mikhail Lomonosov are over.

[Grazdanin]

Just for comparison, 2 articles on Wikipedia:
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV

The L-ATV can be fitted with the Oshkosh Propulsion Diesel-Electric Powertrain formerly found on the Oshkosh Heavy Advanced Mobile Tactical Trucks (HEMTT) and MTVR. According to the Oshkosh literature, [66] The propulsive diesel-electric powertrain significantly improves fuel economy by up to 35 percent in certain circumstances and serves as an onboard generator with enough power to power an entire airfield or hospital, generating up to 120 kW AC for external operations; a hybrid powertrain is not a requirement of the JLTV program. [8] In a limited user test (LUT), the L-ATV demonstrated a reliability of 7 "operational mission failures", more than the Humvee and any other JLTV competitor. [051]

[Gnefredov]

Yes. Interesting. Hmm.

[voyaka uh]

"within the framework of applied military science, in the next one hundred years" ////
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Whoa! I would not even venture to suggest what will happen in a hundred years.
Compare the 1920 plane with the B-2 or Tu-160, for example ...

[Gnefredov]

Well, what's difficult here. Both the first and second and third use aerodynamics. The first (which is made of plywood) can be said to be "pure stealth" :-) The second is "sharpened" for overcoming electronic warfare means, but the third, you know yourself. Fast :)
Another confuses me. We have been marking time for half a century. Where are the "antigravs"? Where are the super batteries? Where is the exploration of Outland, finally. Well, mankind has to let off steam somewhere. You can't endlessly destroy your own kind.
The oceans have not been mastered (dirtied).
The space elevator was not built (we will fly on chemistry).
There is no breakthrough in physics.
There are no achievements in chemistry.
Optics? Well, some achievements (but certainly not claiming to save humanity).
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Poorly. We can't even bring the efficiency of solar panels to 42%
Can nuclear scientists tell me what? Although, I'm even afraid to ask them about it;)
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UPD. Catch the plus. You are not a stupid person (cunning). Nice to talk.

[voyaka uh]

"There is no breakthrough in physics.
Achievements in chemistry - no. "////
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You habitually look at the "big iron" (the "pyramids of Cheops").
And the breakthroughs are continuous and incredible. But they are in the microcosm.
The previously unknown "physical chemistry" and "biochemistry" appeared.
A wonderful device, an electron microscope and atomic tweezers, appeared
for constructing structures from individual atoms.
For nanotechnology - the carbon era that is replacing
3 millennium metal era. Bio-technologies have appeared.
Genetics rushed - decoding the genome.
An incredible breakthrough in design technology - 3-D printing.
Practical quantum physics began - not theory, but instruments.
I have listed a few of the newest breakthroughs at random.

[Gnefredov]

Come on - "score". Everything you listed is a product of "microcomputing". This is a consequence of the emergence of more and more powerful CPUs.
But the "trick" is different. Where is the "Daring of Humanity"?
I don’t see this. We are even too lazy to fly to the moon :)

[voyaka uh]

Daring is not only space.
In my opinion, the year when they learned to connect an electric wire
with the human nerve and receiving a stable signal was equally important,
than years of space exploration.

[Gnefredov]

UPD. I'll correct myself a little. After Armstrong's access to our companion, we have no achievements. From the word (as they say now) from the word - absolutely.
Blown away. Like a punctured balloon.

[Grazdanin]

The advantages are not only low noise. Electric motors remove the gearbox and all accompanying mechanisms, have an extremely high torque. The internal combustion engine (as a source of electricity) operates in the most optimal modes, without serious loads. That increases the resource and reduces fuel consumption.
This scheme is optimal for heavy armored vehicles.

[Gnefredov]

Well, let's figure it out in stages.
1) Low noise. Didn't notice the win. Yes, the same "Tesla" is much quieter than a small car. But louder than a 1984 Cadillac. Kadi - whispers, Tesla is silent. It's in the parking lot. But how her electric motor howls when driving. Ooooh.
Not convinced. eleven.
2) Electric motors remove the gearbox. No, they don't. In toys: electric scooters, electric bicycles - yes. There is a motor-wheel. In bikes there is already a gearbox with a main gearbox. And why? Because there are several factors. The main ones are: unsprung weight, torque. With a gyroscope of half a ton, you are unlikely to get maneuverability (and if there are several of them), and the motor-wheel is unlikely to master the swamp (and even a rise of 30 degrees, it is difficult for him if from acceleration).
3) Optimal modes. False if there is no checkpoint. You don't have a hundred thousand amperes of current (and if you have, melt the motor). So without a checkpoint, this is so, toys.
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I apologize wildly for possible grammatical errors. This is not on purpose. Writing from a smartphone is inconvenient. But I got it.

[Grazdanin]

1. Regime issue, technical problem.
2. 3. A question for a specific design, in any case its dimensions are smaller than in the internal combustion engine. I meant there was no need to have a checkpoint the size of an internal combustion engine.

PS I visited this site 2 or 3 times from a laptop, almost always from mobile devices.

[g1washntwn]

Hybrids are nothing new (General Dynamics - Shadow, Oshkosh - L-ATV, Iveco, etc.) But full power accessories ... For reconnaissance and stealth missions it is very limited. Because I can still imagine an electric bike, electric buggies are maximum (not a hybrid!). But I categorically refuse to fantasize on the topic of environmentally friendly armored counterparts of the Chukhonsky bicycle troops)))

[Gnefredov]

As one of the options - a hydrocarbon refueling station for "electric trains". They counted. Then they realized that if the tanker was shot down, you could lose a whole "army of robots". As for ground use ... I will not pretend to say anything like this: until we make a battery in terms of reliability that is not inferior to lead-acid, but in the same weight and size indicators, it has an order of magnitude higher capacity (this is ten times more), we will not budge ...
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There were hopes for Graphene, but alas. Projects, projections ...

[Victorio]

Quote: voyaka uh

Where noiselessness is needed "on a jump" to the enemy, the electric motor drives.
He jumped up silently - fired. I drove off.
And on the marches, move on the internal combustion engine.

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and if the "jump" in a mountainous area / desert / mud, then what should be the capacity of the battery charge for traction of tens of tons ?! with asphalt, flat and solid surface has not gone anywhere

[voyaka uh]

In America, several firms are starting to produce all-electric trucks at once. A loaded truck weighs almost as much as a tank. But from a traffic light, he makes a leap with cars, keeping up with like trucks with an internal combustion engine.
The battery of the tank may be discharged from a dash in the mud, on the rise, but the tank will have time to make the first decisive shots. And then switch to diesel.

[Gnefredov]

Yes, it's all clear, as well as the fact that New York is south of Tashkent. Batteries rule: Crimea, Krasnodar Territory, North Caucasus (plateaus) and everything south of up to 55 latitude. Almost the entire Middle East. The lower is hotter. Higher is colder. Below is the expense for air conditioning, at the top for heating. Musk settled down comfortably;) I have nothing against (I like this guy) but you do not get attached to him. There's a tricky business model :)

[voyaka uh]

Naturally, the climate must be taken into account. It is unlikely that Tesla will be bought in Yakutsk. But in Moscow, St. Petersburg, in the North Caucasus - it's easy.
Tesla is being improved. The entire battery was pushed as if inside a fire extinguisher. There are freon tubes inside the battery. And so on ... Musk's engineers are not in vain rowing big money.
They laughed at the gigafactory - now another one is being built in Germany. It will work for the whole of Europe. And they will build in China.

[Gnefredov]

Yah. New joint stock bank for Tesla in MSC (excluding taxes, customs and delivery) 12 USD. In its pure form 000 26USD. This is also taking into account the old battery. But excluding installation and warranty.
We are with you on different planets :) However, maybe this is insignificant money for you. Then yes.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Gnefredov

Yah. New battery for "Tesla" in MSC

Tesla is not officially represented here. I repeat, we are not a sales market for them. For "western" countries and the country where "voyaka uh" lives, 12 dollars, 000-3 is the average salary. Those. as for us 4-120 rubles.
yes we live on different economic planets.

[muham]

Quote: voyaka uh

Where noiselessness is needed "on a jump" to the enemy, the electric motor drives. He jumped up silently - fired. I drove off. And on the marches, move on the internal combustion engine.

You, good sir, are a little wrong a little. If only a part of such machines will be specialized, so to speak, then yes, but if everything is secret, then no. This motor, electric, can be heard, but the caterpillars are made of iron and the stones under them burst, or fly off and hit the places without hitting, etc. etc. So, a very dubious case.

[Gnefredov]

And we are smoothly moving on to the topic of "noise geolocation".
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[archiroll]

and to us in Saybirian ...

[rotfuks]

Greta Thunberg's ecological ideas have really been turned on the wrong side of some. Maybe not everyone knows that at subzero temperatures, the effectiveness of lithium ion batteries tends to zero. Those who want to experiment can take their favorite iPhone or mobile phone out into the cold in winter. In general, the idea of ​​a car on batteries is forcibly squeezed into the brain of the people by the creator of the American "miracle" Tesla, multibillionaire Elon Musk. To more confidently promote his product in the USA, Elon Musk skillfully inflated the "diesel scandal" by excluding diesel engines from competitors. Maybe not everyone knows that it is almost impossible to extinguish an electric car. The EU has developed a technology for extinguishing electric vehicles, they are simply drowned in water for 24 hours. They drag a huge container of water into the parking lot and drown a burning electric car there. Apparently the British are taller to develop such a method of extinguishing for their armored electric vehicles.

[voyaka uh]

Norway is a northern country. Fully switches to electric vehicles. There will be no gas stations in the country. The problems that you wrote about are solved in Tesla. And the decrease in efficiency from cold, and fire hazard. Otherwise Tesla would not be sold like cakes, like an avalanche.

[Gnefredov]

Norway is a northern country.
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Well yes. And they produce batteries in smoky China.

[3danimal]

They specifically confused warm with soft
After all, it was about using an electric vehicle in a certain climate.

[rotfuks]

Norway is not switching to electric vehicles, it is only planning. As you know, there is a huge distance from planning to real steps. By the way, last year the largest airport in Norway was paralyzed for two days. In the underground parking, a car caught fire and could not be extinguished.
https://www.vesti.ru/article/1291493

[Well done]

As you know, electronics and electricians do not like an electromagnetic pulse from nuclear weapons. Diesel in this sense is ideal. So simple, by the way ...

[3danimal]

Forget about the impulse from nuclear weapons. Or are you planning to live in the Fallout world?

[Well done]

Why is it so at once? For purely defensive reasons ... This is NATO that loves to rattle its weapons.

[3danimal]

Norway is a NATO country planning to switch to electric vehicles. Obviously not considering Fallout.

[Well done]

Well, the flag in their hands.

[APASUS]

Again, a tribute to fashion and environmental rules.

In addition, the UK Armed Forces' dependence on fossil fuels will be reduced,

And this is generally a masterpiece, their armored cars will be fueled directly with the energy of space

[3danimal]

Wind turbines (with impeller 150m in diameter), nuclear power plant.

[Clueless]

Quote: tihonmarine

But on the Panzerkampfwagen VIII "Maus" such a transmission was installed, but the matter did not go further than 3 copies, the Reich ceased to exist. The Soviet soldier won.

Is it necessary to "push" the victory here?
And about Mouse, transmission, etc. - the wrong level of technology. Now even a schoolchild can put an electric wheel on a bicycle. And before it was fantastic.

[cat-begemot]

Are they independent of fossil fuels? Will they come from the factory charged immediately to the battlefield or a socket in the forest dug?
Angles, as always on horseback and in front of everyone, just seem to have gone the wrong way .. yes

[cat-begemot]

Quote: voyaka uh

Norway is a northern country. Fully switches to electric vehicles. There will be no gas stations in the country. The problems that you wrote about are solved in Tesla. And the decrease in efficiency from cold, and fire hazard. Otherwise Tesla would not be sold like cakes, like an avalanche.

Excuse me, Stavropol, Tesla 0, or rather even -1, and this despite the fact that we are south.
At the expense of the decision with the cold and fire hazard, you know, give me a reference and I will support you. But for now, alas, where will the Northern country of Norway charge its ALL cars, and trucks and special equipment from?
And transit transport will also be switched to electricity, and it looks like sea transportation, they are the leaders, will be on Chinese batteries. And do not broadcast about alternative energy. And also about heating, motorcycles, diesel engines on drilling platforms and polar explorers with heating on solar cells and wind turbines.

[3danimal]

Stavropol ... Is it in the 100 most developed cities in the world? Is there at least one electric gas station? And what is the city's budget?

from where will the northern country Norway charge its ALL cars, trucks and special equipment?

From environmentally friendly wind turbines and gas thermal power plants.

[rotfuks]

probably some do not know that no one wants to live next to environmentally friendly wind turbines. Windmills hum day and night. In densely populated countries, there is simply no place to install wind turbines.

[3danimal]

They will put wind turbines in the sea (like the British, with a propeller diameter of 150 m), and gas-fueled thermal power plants (which are in bulk in Norway) are very environmentally friendly

[Real Pilot]

There will be someone to help our patrols on the roads in Syria ...
They will be discharged, they will stand, they will vote ... They will be picked up, they will recharge with recuperation, and then the proud ones will unhook and show a fig

In general, the idea is not bad, given the large number of electronics. Plus, relative independence from fuel supplies.

But with cons.
- the weight of batteries and electric motors plus an engine running on traditional fuel and its fuel will be greater with comparable power.
- batteries are afraid of water and fire (lithium especially "loves" water) But traditional fuel also burns.
- maintenance in the field, in the desert, electric motors ...
But you can still be charged from the sun.

You can also find + and -, progress does not stand still. Everyone is looking for the optimal balance of qualities taking into account the available technologies.

[Lew]

and electricity for engines on machines will be produced from steam boilers! well done British

[koramax81]

Interestingly, do they think that electricity is taken from the air? Fighters for the environment ...