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A mediocre operation of the Polish special services. Why did the rebellion fail in Belarus

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A mediocre operation of the Polish special services. Why did the rebellion fail in Belarus

The Belarusian crisis has passed into a phase of prolonged confrontation. It is already clear that the opposition is sinking deeper and deeper into the same quagmire into which the protesters in Khabarovsk recently fell. It is impossible to move to active actions, and peaceful protests very quickly sober up those who, for some reason, have joined the “activists”. Women standing on the avenues with flowers and posters are no longer interesting to anyone. Those to whom these bouquets are intended do not appear there.


Remember how tough the security forces and protesters acted in the early days? The Ukrainian scenario was played out like a carbon copy. Barricades, Molotov cocktails, groups of well-trained militants led by coordinators. Even in the video footage distributed by the protesters, these militants and their commanders can be recognized rather quickly. On the other hand, the security forces had a clear order to suppress violations of the law harshly, but without bloodshed.

How many "tears" were shed, including ours, over the huge number of detainees in the first days! "The people will rise up", "Lukashenka will be demolished." What is the bottom line? Already today we can say with confidence that among the detainees, it must be admitted, and the innocent too, there were those same militants who were preparing for military actions. Today, after the appropriate educational work, everyone was released. Except for the leaders, of course. And they have no more desire to build barricades.

The Polish special services have made almost all the mistakes that could be made


The Poles do not hide that they expect to take the place of Russia in Belarus. On August 12, Polish President Andrzej Duda sent a letter to the UN Human Rights Council with a letter urging to punish Lukashenka.

"The response should include a call to the Belarusian authorities to refrain from using force against peaceful demonstrators and to release all those detained for exercising their fundamental democratic freedoms."

The day before this event, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki was also active. He personally phoned the leaders of the European Union and called on them to take united action against Lukashenka. Moreover, this appeal looked rather tactless. I call for "the obligation to act in solidarity with the Belarusians." It turns out that those who protest are Belarusians, and those who are for the president are no longer there.

Such activity of the leaders of Poland at the highest level is not caused by the desire for a happy future for the Belarusian people. This is an attempt to ward off the blow of its own special services, which have successfully gotten into a puddle. We are talking about the "Central Group of Psychological Action" from the city of Bydgoszcz. It is this military unit, more precisely, one of its departments (the 4th department for states with a conflict situation) is now closely involved in the organization of the Belarusian Maidan.

According to unverified information, much of what was broadcast by the well-known Internet channel "Nekhta" and his daughter "Nehta live" was obtained precisely from sources associated with this military unit. It is no secret that in the 4th department there is a subdivision of television and radio broadcasting, distribution of materials of psychological influence (rumors, etc.). I think the Belarusian KGB has someone to work with from those who worked as correspondents of “Nekhta”.

Coordination from abroad is a forced measure


I will quote the editor-in-chief of the Belarusian site IMHOclub.by Aleksey Dzermant:

“The main organizer and agitator of the protests was the Polish Telegram channel NEXTA. It is overseen by the Polish special services, this is obvious. There were calls for both violence and aggressive self-organization to oppose the Belarusian state. "

Let me disagree with Alexey. Agitator and coordinator - yes, but not an organizer for sure. The channel began to work actively just before the events in Belarus. Precisely as a channel of communication between the leaders and performers of the Belarusian Maidan. The preparation of the Maidan was carried out by completely different people and organizations, of which there are enough in Belarus.

Seven officially registered parties oppose Lukashenka. From the "Fair World" (former communists) to the BPF (Conservative Christian Party). But there are also underground parties that are not registered in Belarus. "Narodnaya Gromada", the Party of Freedom and Progress and others. In general, you can write a poem about Belarusian social movements. The whole range of political views and trends. From ZUBR and “For Freedom” to the Libertarian Movement of Belarus and the Belarusian People's Movement ...

As you can see, there are more than enough opportunities to penetrate the Belarusian political environment. And the environment, especially social movements, is perfectly prepared to work against the existing government. Belarusian youth are akin to Russian youth. The main complaint against Lukashenko is exactly the same as against Putin. Too long in power! And you can "glue" anything you want to this simple idea ...

Why is there such attention today to Nekhta? It seems that two young men, Roman Protasevich and Stepan Putilo, who live in Poland, have created a Telegram channel. “Someone” from the Telegram channel ... A lot of such channels arise and die every day. The mutiny in Belarus just helped the guys to promote the channel, and that's it.

Are these people interesting to us? Probably. Chief Editor - Roman Protasevich. A Belarusian journalist who worked for the Polish-Lithuanian Euroradio and then for Radio Liberty. An ardent opponent of Lukashenko, who first came to the attention of the special services back in 2012, when, as a member of the center-right "Young Front", he appeared in the organization of street protests. An ardent anti-Soviet, decommunicator and supporter of the legalization of soft drugs.

The founder of the channel is Stepan Putilo. Journalist, son of a well-known opposition journalist, employee of the Belsat channel Alexander Putilo. The channel was registered in 2015. The channel was not very popular. An ardent opponent of the Belarusian authorities. Claims that the channel exists on the money earned on the Internet and does not receive any grants.

But then Messrs. Putilo and Protasevich are completely substituted. The editor-in-chief's statement on the channel's staff of four looks ridiculous against the background of the amount of materials that the channel broadcasts daily. As well as the statement that the materials are submitted by users. Let me remind you that the Internet in Belarus was blocked for everyone except foreign embassies. And the videos were broadcasted almost live. An hour or three after the event.

The Polish special services were placed in a situation where it was absolutely impossible to coordinate events without exposing their own agents. The appearance of materials on the web has just become just such an exposure. The Poles actually disclosed the fact that this Telegram channel belonged to their specialists.

Instead of a conclusion


The Belarusian Maidan did not work out. The blame for this largely lies with the Polish special services. I am not belittling the quality work of the Belarusian KGB in localizing the hotbeds of protest and timely isolation of the militants and their leaders.

It was difficult to find a more inopportune time for organizing the rebellion. Poland almost single-handedly decided to topple the Belarusian president and miscalculated. Hopes for help from Americans and Europeans did not materialize. The USA and Europe are busy with themselves today. They are of little interest in Belarusian or Ukrainian affairs.

I understand the dreams of the Poles. They see the strengthening of their own sovereignty in the weakening of Russia's influence in the region and, accordingly, in the strengthening of their positions due to this in Brussels. Positioning itself as a serious state that helps Americans solve their problems in Europe is Warsaw's dream. As stupid as it may seem.

The failure of the operation to remove Lukashenka does not mean that such operations will be abandoned in the future. We are used to identifying the Belarusian people with the people with which we lived in the same state. However, the youth of Belarus is a different people. People of the future Belarus. Today the authorities were able to calm down the protests. But over time, this will become a daunting task.

Political reforms in Belarus are needed. Changes in economic policy too. And the control system, as the protests showed, rests on the authority and character of one person. And what happens when the “iron president” is replaced by the “mumbled president”, we can see very well on the example of Ukraine.

A referendum is needed on ways of further development of the country. Whether this will be the development of a union state or, in general, the entry of Belarus into Russia on the basis of autonomy rights, whether it will be a turn towards the EU and NATO, the people must decide. And we have already seen that the people in Belarus are smart and understanding. We are waiting for President Lukashenko's statements on this matter.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 August 2020 11: 06 New
    -45
    Personally, I don’t think that everything has already failed in Belarus.
    According to the video, there are even more protesters. But dad already grabbed the machine gun.
    It's only the beginning.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 25 August 2020 11: 12 New
      11
      In these questions, I am interested in the opinion of Strelkov. He is extremely good at assessing the situation. Here's what he writes:
      Lukashenka is ready to harshly suppress the rebellion. He flies theatrically in a helicopter, walks with an unloaded machine gun and "inspires the troops." But there is no rebellion ... There is no one to suppress ... And the mass of protesters continues to grow. They see their strength and multiplicity, their self-confidence comes.
      Hence the conclusion: the "opposition" acts more flexibly and competently than the authorities. And, therefore, the situation for Lukashenka continues to gradually deteriorate.
      Let me remind you once again: the same "Kiev Maidan" was not a "one-time trial" and lasted for several months (3,5 if I am not mistaken). I often read assurances from "pro-Lukashenka" bloggers that "the money will run out - the protest will also end." - I am grinning ... Those forces in Europe and the United States that support the "zmagars" can collect and distribute many times more money than is in circulation in Belarus. The only problem is how to get them transported and "properly nested". But with this they will gradually somehow cope - with such a failed work of the local KGB (which I said in detail on the "stream" of Zadumov). And then what?
      Yes, at the moment there is no "tent camp" (as many expected). Not yet formed. The "opposition" is clearly groping for tactics of "peaceful protest" in the hope of exhausting the authorities while preserving their own resources. And so far, progress is clearly visible in their activities. For Lukashenka, every week of unrest is "at a loss" ... and from an economic point of view, too.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 25 August 2020 11: 16 New
        11
        "Katz offers to surrender.
        To hell with Katz! "
        1. cost
          cost 25 August 2020 14: 16 New
          +8

          It is noticeable that Lukashenka has a concealed body armor under his shirt. By its characteristic features it is similar to "VIP Comfort 4-4" type UNI
          1. Just Alexander
            Just Alexander 25 August 2020 18: 49 New
            11
            Quote: Rich
            It is noticeable that Lukashenka has a concealed body armor under his shirt. By its characteristic features it is similar to "VIP Comfort 4-4" type UNI


            Dmitry, I don't want to say anything, but the bulletproof vest never saved anyone from a sniper's bullet in the head.

            If we wanted to, we would have killed.
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              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 25 August 2020 21: 19 New
                +7
                Quote: aybolyt678
                it must be torn apart by the tortured Belarusians.

                from the point of view of the West, he is presented as a tyrant, so for them such an ending would be preferable ... otherwise it will turn out like with Saddam: they say about Saddam in mosques that he asked for the Koran before being hanged, now he is almost a martyr of Islam. With Muammar, it was also not possible to present him as a tyrant.
              2. minby
                minby 26 August 2020 08: 08 New
                40
                I have been living in Belarus for 46 years. I have never seen "exhausted Belarusians". If only in the 90s. What kind of nonsense are you talking about ?? You just need to "rock" the situation in the country again!
                1. Temples
                  Temples 26 August 2020 08: 31 New
                  12
                  Quote: minby
                  I have been living in Belarus for 46 years. I have never seen "exhausted Belarusians".

                  Come on!
                  And on the first of January at 9 am?
                  And on the morning of the second wedding day laughing

                  Prada "torment" these are in no way connected with any power.
                  And they do not depend at all on the political situation in the country.

                  drinks
                2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                  evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 26 August 2020 11: 56 New
                  -31
                  Did you see the exhausted ones? And watching the video is not destiny? As in the yards, five of one are happy? How girls are raped ... How are they transported in three layers in paddy wagons ... Have you ever heard of the missing? Were they buried without suffering?
                  Don't know how to use the Internet? Or are they simply indifferent to the concept of “conscience”?
                  The dirty trick runs with a machine gun and his bastard ... ,, Aliens ,, they, not Belarusians. How can you not see this?
                  For centuries such "eccentrics" were called temporary and impostors.
                  A well-known villain falsified the elections, and Poland is now to blame. And NATO, and the United States, and ,, world government ,,?
                  The Belarusian people are tired of this snickering, self-confident, ill-mannered swindler. And here, the world behind the scenes ,,? He is himself, no worse than the Satanists - "globalists", nasty and incredibly harmful to White Russia and Great.
                  Which once again proves that the picture does not matter for the servants of Darkness. You can selflessly serve Satan under the red-green flag
                  1. tank64rus
                    tank64rus 27 August 2020 10: 15 New
                    +7
                    What's the weather like in Warsaw today? As for the Arab League, in the 90s in the Russian Federation we would have such a "dirty trick and satanist." One EBN and Chubais and the company were worth something. But you all licked them behind the cordon, because they helped you plunder Russia in full. Even the guys from your office were recently convicted there, because working with Chubais, they could not resist robbing them. Lukashenka is not an angel, but he is a 100% patriot. As for the opposition, we take the training manual of Mr. Retired Colonel of the US Army Sharpe, read it, compare it, draw conclusions. Clever man, there is nothing to say. Well, in Russia, given the experience of Ukraine and Belarus, we should be preparing very seriously for 2024.
                  2. Amorphis
                    Amorphis 27 August 2020 19: 53 New
                    +5
                    Dear, you forgot to mention the babies he eats for breakfast.
                  3. Promsol
                    Promsol 28 August 2020 14: 10 New
                    +2
                    mindflow. clearly out of my head
                3. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 26 August 2020 18: 56 New
                  0
                  Political reforms in Belarus are needed. Changes in economic policy too.
                  After such statements, it becomes clear that they are going to arrange another betrayal.
                4. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 26 August 2020 20: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: minby
                  I have never seen "exhausted Belarusians"

                  Yes, it was sarcasm ... The militants who killed Muammar were also positioned as the opposition, As a result, Gaddafi is now a martyr.
                5. solzh
                  solzh 1 September 2020 22: 17 New
                  23
                  Many want to shake things up in Belarus. But they will not be able to swing. Especially after Putin's announcement to create a reserve.
              3. jncnfdybr
                jncnfdybr 26 August 2020 10: 36 New
                12
                Exhausted by what? Stable life?)
                1. solzh
                  solzh 1 September 2020 22: 19 New
                  26
                  For the pro-Western opposition, a stable life is evidence of torture and an anti-popular dictatorship. laughing
            2. anEkeName
              anEkeName 28 August 2020 04: 00 New
              +4
              Have you seen enough of Keene? To hit the head in urban conditions and not find yourself (here you are not at the edge of the forest) is a non-trivial task, therefore a sane sniper, as a rule, hits the body - so the probability of hitting a target is close to 100%, and the probability of detection and detention is close to 0 %.
              1. megavolt823
                megavolt823 28 August 2020 16: 35 New
                +3
                In the USA, one shooter shot the population for a long time. And they were looking for him for a long time. I was shooting from the car from under the auto sign. Located in the back seat and partially in the trunk.
          2. Senka naughty
            Senka naughty 27 August 2020 02: 27 New
            -3
            Quote: Rich

            It is noticeable that Lukashenka has a concealed body armor under his shirt. By its characteristic features it is similar to "VIP Comfort 4-4" type UNI

            Yes, and a helmet on the head, and yet the chastity belt is visible, did not you notice?
      2. boni592807
        boni592807 25 August 2020 11: 32 New
        -12
        Failure Would, if NOTHING happened hi but -
        -with 33 employees of the Russian PMC(after the precedent in the Republic of Belarus, we figured it out, but “the partners and the“ non-brothers ”started the process. And only out of greed Not brothers - tickets, they did not bring 33 heroes to the prisons of Ukraine) it turned out belay ,
        -stir up elections - exited and the PROCESS IS GOING ON No. ,
        But work ahead of scheduleThat is, preventing the creation of a situation - this is, unfortunately, NOT visible (and not only in Belarus, see and read the media) recourse ... It is clear, not everything from bully и soldier it depends, there is a "Command from above", BUT ALSO THE USSR LOST. T.Ch. It's too early to say - GOP.
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      3. Adam Khomich
        Adam Khomich 25 August 2020 11: 32 New
        22
        Quote: Grazdanin
        the same "Kiev Maidan" was not a "one-time trial" and stretched out

        The Kiev Maidan continues to this day.
        The revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end.
        1. vik669
          vik669 25 August 2020 11: 45 New
          +8
          Until the last Ukrainian! The end justifies the means!
        2. Leonid Anatolevich
          Leonid Anatolevich 26 August 2020 00: 04 New
          -8
          Revolutions help progress
          1. Machito
            Machito 26 August 2020 14: 15 New
            +5
            So arrange revolutions in your USA.
            1. Leonid Anatolevich
              Leonid Anatolevich 5 September 2020 11: 39 New
              -2
              I didn’t ask you where I should arrange revolutions - we will find them without snotty
          2. itis
            itis 26 August 2020 20: 32 New
            +1
            slowing down progress is as fun as adjusting it depends on the initial setup
          3. solzh
            solzh 1 September 2020 22: 23 New
            24
            What is happening in Belarus is not even close to revolution. There was an attempted coup.
          4. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 2 September 2020 00: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Leonid Anatolievich
            Revolutions help progress
            if you live OUTSIDE the country, and you are exactly the CUSTOMER (!)... And for the population of the country - to REGRESS (!)....
      4. lucul
        lucul 25 August 2020 11: 38 New
        -1
        Such activity of the Polish leaders of the highest level is by no means caused by the desire for a happy future for the Belarusian people. This is an attempt to ward off the blow of its own special services, which have successfully gotten into a puddle. This is the "Central Group of Psychological Action" from the city of Bydgoszcz

        All this is open interference in the internal affairs of the state. The question is how to punish Poland for this? Land corridor to Kaliningrad?)))
        1. fn34440
          fn34440 25 August 2020 12: 17 New
          21
          "" "All this is open interference in the internal affairs of the state. The question is how to punish Poland for this? Land corridor to Kaliningrad?)))" "" Dear friend, look deeper into history.
          For a long time, before the collapse of the USSR, it was believed that the national Polish-Belarusian controversial issue did not exist. Sovereign Belarus received a little more than 400 thousand ethnic Poles. They peacefully joined the collective of the peoples of the Republic of Belarus. But then Poland saved up fat, became addicted to NATO steroids, and remembered about its missing sons and daughters. Collisions began to arise with the Polish community in Belarus, two Unions of Poles emerged (one against Lukashenko, the other for), then the “Pole's card” arrived ... And then, watch your hands, the ethnic issue became ethno-confessional.

          And four hundred thousand Poles turned into one and a half million Belarusian Catholics, who suddenly became none other than “also Poles”. And you know, I won't be surprised if tomorrow it turns out that there are already more “Poles” in Belarus than Russians.

          And with the base of an ethnic minority at 20%, it is already possible to think about national and cultural autonomy. And about places that are not so compact. And by the way, in 1944 the Poles asked Grodno for themselves. Stalin refused. But the interest remained.
          1. lucul
            lucul 25 August 2020 12: 21 New
            14
            And by the way, in 1944 the Poles asked Grodno for themselves. Stalin refused. But the interest remained.

            When was Bialystok given to the Poles? )))
            And four hundred thousand Poles turned into one and a half million Belarusian Catholics, who suddenly became none other than “also Poles”.

            Frankly, as a resident of Belarus - the line of demarcation (mental) lies right on the borders of 1939, over 20 years of occupation, the Poles did a good job of assimilation ...
            1. border
              border 25 August 2020 16: 31 New
              +6
              I heard from Grodno Belarusians that in 1944 more than half of Belarusians lived in Bialystok. Why post-war Poland was handed it over is not clear.
        2. Rostislav
          Rostislav 25 August 2020 14: 26 New
          13
          All this is open interference in the internal affairs of the state. The question is how to punish Poland for this? Land corridor to Kaliningrad?)))

          To begin with, hand a note to the ambassador and close the Polish consulates in Minsk, Grodno and Brest. In connection with interference in the internal affairs of Belarus.
          1. Terrible GMO
            Terrible GMO 25 August 2020 16: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Rostislav
            To begin with, hand over a note to the ambassador and close the Polish consulates in Minsk, Grodno and Brest

            They are already closed due to the coronavirus. The Poles are closed.
            With connection.
        3. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 25 August 2020 18: 43 New
          +7
          Great article by Alexander! Detailed, accurate, the accents are absolutely correct! Both the conclusion about the failure of the rebellion and the conclusion are absolutely correct!
          1. Dmitry10SPb
            Dmitry10SPb 25 August 2020 19: 11 New
            -28
            The article is ridiculous. Everything about Poland. Well, that's all. Did the author forget about the Balts? And they are in business. The article contains factual errors. For example: "President Lukashenko". What kind of president is he and to whom? Small openly falsified the elections. It is your will, but Lukashenka does not look like a president who received more than 80 (!) Votes. This can be seen from the reaction of the street. He is an impostor. It is very sad and shortsighted that the Russian Federation supports him. It would be more profitable to insist on new elections and lead your candidate. Now we are talking about our betrayal of the Belarusians. They won't forgive that. We ourselves are instilling Russophobia. Combing?
            1. Torak
              Torak 26 August 2020 00: 42 New
              12
              You are either a very unwise person, or a sent Cossack. I personally do not see any falsification. I have about 40-50 people familiar with Belarusians and for Lukoshko, or more precisely, all but 3-4 voted for stability. By the crowd, where the opposition declared about 200 tons, no more than 7 tons of people can be seen from the copter. And that says it all.
              1. Arthur73
                Arthur73 26 August 2020 15: 12 New
                -3
                It is visible. Over-11, against-31. On VO at 15.00 Moscow time on 26.08.20/25/75. Where there are a lot of "sent". And even with the zaslanets, Dimitry allegedly gains only about 15 percent against 00 percent! Neither in Belarus, nor in Russia. Although they can still become more active and catch up with a host of miners. But the result at XNUMX:XNUMX is obvious!
                1. Torak
                  Torak 28 August 2020 12: 59 New
                  +2
                  Where can it be seen, who can see, what can be seen? Can not understand anything. Learn to express your thoughts and misinformation, clearly, briefly and clearly!
            2. Cottodraton
              Cottodraton 26 August 2020 07: 11 New
              0
              And there is either this snake, or "Europhiles". Who is there to support? The snake cleared everyone out ...
            3. solzh
              solzh 1 September 2020 22: 31 New
              22
              Quote: Dmitry10SPb
              Maly openly falsified elections

              Is there any evidence of falsification? Not? Then why spread blatantly false information?
          2. Izotron 3-150
            Izotron 3-150 25 August 2020 20: 45 New
            -9
            What exactly is correct !?
          3. ltc35
            ltc35 25 August 2020 21: 14 New
            +6
            One thing is not clear - why the author has woven Khabarovsk into the article. In Khabarovsk, residents do not like a devil-may-care and offensive attitude towards themselves, and in Belarus, the Polish ears of puppeteers are clearly visible, who want to get a government loyal to themselves.
        4. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 26 August 2020 02: 20 New
          -1
          Create the Belarusian Sea. laughing
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 August 2020 11: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Those forces in Europe and the United States that support the "zmagars" can collect and distribute many times more money than is in circulation in Belarus.

        If Europe needs Belarus, the opposition will get enough money.
        1. Simple
          Simple 25 August 2020 16: 24 New
          +8
          Quote: tihonmarine
          If Europe needs Belarus, the opposition will get enough money.


          What do you mean you need?
          It is just as needed as Ukraine, as an unfriendly state of "Putin's Russia". "First," Putin's regime, "and then one might think about the topic" Isn't the Moscow volost of lands too much? "
          Sarcasm of course, but even reluctant to grin.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 25 August 2020 18: 18 New
            +6
            Quote: Simple
            "First," Putin's regime, "and then one might think about the topic" Isn't the Moscow volost of lands too much? "

            So they thought, first to remove the "Yanukovych regime", then the "Lukashenka regime", then they will want to get to the Russian lands. The powder must always be dry.
            1. Nemchinov Vl
              Nemchinov Vl 2 September 2020 00: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              The powder must always be dry.
              "POWDER" spoiled his reputation on the tapes of negotiations with Biden (!)... ... ( (published by Derkach) .... Sorry, I couldn't resist .... lol , but without sarcasm - life is boring ... wink
      6. Campanella
        Campanella 25 August 2020 12: 45 New
        +5
        Only liberal oppositionists can turn 10% of the population into a majority, and they have already won to listen to you.
        Do not even strain, your spine will still be broken, although you are like cats in the spring howl from all the gateways.
        And our Russian media also "work" tirelessly.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 August 2020 18: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: Campanella
          Only liberal oppositionists can turn 10% of the population into a majority, and they have already won to listen to you.

          An example is available. In 1933, out of 60 million people, there were 850 thousand in the NSDP, and Adik and his comrades came to power.
        2. Dmitry10SPb
          Dmitry10SPb 25 August 2020 19: 29 New
          -8
          Just 10 percent? You are immensely trusting. If the last elections the percentage of those who voted early was 4-5, and now 42 (!) - this is a signal of what? Wait. I'll tell you myself. About outright falsification. I told you this in time. Otherwise, they would blame the annoying uncertainty.
          And, most importantly, who are you fighting for? For the famous performer of the song "now ours, then yours." Lukashenka has never been noticed in Russophilia by anyone. I just bred our management for money. Without such a cunning man in any way? And what if you think and work?
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 25 August 2020 22: 10 New
            +1
            I see that everything is easy with you, I sat down and thought, and here's the solution - work!)))
            Too many factors influence the situation, I don’t think there are politicians who are able to solve the problem optimally.
            And I am rooting for Belarus and Russia.
            1. itis
              itis 26 August 2020 20: 50 New
              +1
              himself, too, for. IMHO, to keep the collective farms until the next (not early) elections.
              time to spend on public relations of the pro-Russian candidate.
              will be the first test of Putin's announced change in the vector of foreign policy
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 September 2020 09: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Dmitry10SPb
            I just bred our management for money. Without such a cunning man in any way? And what if you think and work?

            This leadership went deliberately. They knew that a boor, but a boor.
        3. vlad106
          vlad106 1 September 2020 13: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Campanella
          you are like cats in the spring howl from all the gateways.
          And our Russian media also "work" tirelessly.

          ______________________________


          Among our so-called media, there are so many corrupt magazines who feed themselves from the Western hand ...
          If it suddenly happens and we have an hour "H" they will quickly turn around to the other side.
          There are plenty of them everywhere
      7. Petrik66
        Petrik66 25 August 2020 19: 15 New
        +3
        Is this not the same Strelkov, who every month for 3 years broadcasts about the beginning of the Ukrainian offensive in Donbass?
        1. itis
          itis 26 August 2020 20: 53 New
          +1
          that one. but it is for the inexperienced, for self-promotion.
      8. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 25 August 2020 21: 03 New
        0
        You would still bring here the opinion of the sofa expert El-Murid (Nesmeyan).
      9. vlad106
        vlad106 25 August 2020 23: 54 New
        +3
        it is impossible to let the scum take Belarus to the west.
        we must help the brotherly people deal with liberalism
        1. itis
          itis 26 August 2020 20: 57 New
          0
          just imagine this Tikhanovskaya prez ... those who know how to cook borscht and who, too, are constantly, in general, they got sick with telephones
      10. Sacrifus
        Sacrifus 26 August 2020 14: 45 New
        0
        What nonsense, where the mass is growing, compared to what happened immediately after the choice and last Sunday, it has generally decreased by a lot) If you remove the ordinary onlookers who came to gawk at the rally, there will be even fewer activists!
      11. solzh
        solzh 1 September 2020 22: 38 New
        23
        Quote: Grazdanin
        In these questions, I am interested in the opinion of Strelkov.

        Why Strelkov? Is he a recognized specialist in coup d'etat and revolution devices? I wonder how many governments he overthrew?
      12. In a d and m
        In a d and m 15 October 2020 08: 55 New
        0
        The opinion of the deserter Strelkov is not interesting.
        If it had been correct, he would not have surrendered Slavyansk.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 25 August 2020 11: 23 New
      10
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But dad already grabbed the machine gun.
      It's only the beginning.

      Tolley will still be oh hery! The warriors of the world with bright faces and dollars in their pockets were blown away ... It's time to collect fishing rods and scurry to the Edren hair dryer!
    3. svp67
      svp67 25 August 2020 11: 25 New
      11
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      According to the video, there are even more protesters.

      No, there were more of them in Minsk, but immediately their number dropped sharply in other cities of Belarus ...
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Usually, I don’t think that everything has already failed in Belarus.

      Are you personally connected with these protests?
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But dad already grabbed the machine gun.

      By this, he showed the whole world that he did not intend to retreat, but the fact that the store was not connected to the machine, said that he gave the opponents a chance to "change their minds" and not try to storm his residence
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 11: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        By this, he showed the whole world that he did not intend to retreat, but the fact that the store was not connected to the machine, said that he gave the opponents a chance to "change their minds" and not try to storm his residence

        If without references to the personalities of the heads of state, then only in those countries there is a relative consensus between the country's leadership and the so-called. opposition, things are going relatively well. The main thing is that both sides hear each other.
        And it turns out that the state apparatus responds to the lawlessness of the opposition with the same lawlessness.
        Further, you can talk about the sanity of both parties. But this is all in favor of the poor. Because It has long been known that every nation has the kind of leadership it deserves.
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 August 2020 11: 49 New
          +4
          And it turns out that the state apparatus responds to the lawlessness of the opposition with the same lawlessness.

          The so-called opposition can be created by dozens of different countries in your country. Now what? To take into account all the interests of these countries that have created opposition, but do not care about the interests of their country? You have some kind of naive notion of opposition ....
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 12: 47 New
            -1
            Quote: lucul
            Take into account all the interests of these countries that have created opposition, but do not care about the interests of their country? You have some kind of naive concept of opposition ...

            Read carefully - the sane opposition, as defending the interests of their state. And not the interests of the countries, which created and nourished this opposition.
            1. lucul
              lucul 25 August 2020 12: 52 New
              0
              Read carefully - the sane opposition, as defending the interests of their state.

              The sane opposition is usually represented in parliament, as is the case with the communists.
              It’s just insane who goes to the rallies ...
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 13: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: lucul
                The sane opposition is usually represented in parliament, as an example - the communists

                In each case?
                Quote: lucul
                The insane goes to the rallies

                Rally to rally strife. Because the rallies are based on motivation, and most importantly - resources and sources of support for the protesters.
                So the time comes to assess the adequacy of the parties. When both sides don't hear each other, chaos begins. Usually on both sides.
                The task of the authorities is to prevent reaching the point of no return in the process of calming the protesters. And the further development of the confrontation depends on the method of this calming.
              2. pro100y.belarus
                pro100y.belarus 25 August 2020 18: 01 New
                -5
                Quote: lucul
                Read carefully - the sane opposition, as defending the interests of their state.

                The sane opposition is usually represented in parliament, as is the case with the communists.
                It’s just insane who goes to the rallies ...

                To accuse millions of people of insanity, one must be at least like that.
        2. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 25 August 2020 11: 52 New
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          there is a relative consensus between the country's leadership and the so-called. opposition, things are going relatively well.

          Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, mouvement des Gilets jaunes is this relative consensus or something else?
          Something was not much (other than kissing a dirty shoe Nigeria) that would be the US government and France's stand on ceremony with the protesters.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 12: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: adam khomich
            so that the authorities of the United States and France stand on ceremony with the protesters.

            I may be idealizing the situation with the adequacy of both sides. But the BLM movement is not an indicator of the adequacy of its supporters. Which, however, is not surprising, after the scale with which the # metoo movement swept across the United States.
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 25 August 2020 12: 49 New
          -2
          Are you a Tolstoyan? Lawlessness is in the language of corrupt Belarusian patriots.
          And in real life, a tough adequate response to an attempt to forcefully change statehood.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 12: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Campanella
            Are you a fat man?

            Is this so important in light of the events in Belarus?
            Quote: Campanella
            And in real life, a tough adequate response to an attempt to forcefully change statehood.

            Toughness and cruelty are almost synonymous.
            The people and oppositionists who took to the streets of Minsk may know this. But everyone understands differently.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 25 August 2020 15: 43 New
              +8
              And we are all almost human!
              Only there are murderers, traitors, sadists and just fools ... and so all are almost people!
              Did "Narod" come out right together with the opposition?
              You don't take much upon yourself to say so?
              In Brest, 15 thousand people attended the first rally, protested and dispersed, mostly young people.
              The next day, about 20 sput came out .... Already with fireworks and all sorts of garbage, they began to launch towards the riot police .... OMON put them with their muzzle on the asphalt. And the city is quiet now.
              So some murky comrades are trying to imitate a protest, preventing people from living, for which the people themselves began to mobilize in order to repulse the ghouls, got all of your from 1 to 10%.
              So do not drive mischief here!
    4. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 25 August 2020 11: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Personally, I don’t think that everything has already failed in Belarus.

      “Indian”, you’re an ethnic Ukrainian-independent, living in Russia, and to this hour, latently drying up about “nenka Ukraine”?
      Should we take your comment as a feast for revenge of the forces in the Republic of Belarus, which have saddled the present underdeveloped Ukraine?
    5. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 25 August 2020 11: 30 New
      0
      According to the inscription on the fence,
      then there can be no firewood in principle!
      99,9% of videos and other materials during the acute period
      events in Belarus are already exposed fakes of the purest water.
      But, as can be seen from your post, the people are being led to this bullshit.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 25 August 2020 12: 02 New
        -4
        Quote: adam khomich
        already exposed fakes of the purest water

        In fact, all these revelations are fakes, everyone has known for a long time, it has been proven a hundred times already. It's a shame to be so dense.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 25 August 2020 12: 52 New
          -5
          There is no need to ride on the ears here!
          It is you for suckers and youth, leave your "proof".
          You are a troll or a very poorly informed user.
          You can choose.
    6. Civil
      Civil 25 August 2020 12: 20 New
      -7
      150 Polish agents (according to Russian media) 000 Polish agents (according to opposition media, that is, Polish intelligence) 500 Polish agents and drug addicts (according to Belarusian media), Polish agents pretended to be workers of the MZKT, BelAZ, Belaruskali, all the cornet Polish intelligence that set up strike committees were arrested. It is necessary to arrest all Polish agents and take them to the stadiums, to create death camps for Polish agents, so that the rest of the Polish agent will be discouraged. Polish agents must wear white-red-white armbands, and Polish agents must be prohibited from walking on sidewalks, visiting public places and changing their place of residence without the permission of the commandant's office.
      Otherwise, the Polish Nazi-fascists will come and defeat the prosperous Belarus with their savage laws.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 25 August 2020 12: 53 New
        +2
        They wrote a poem straight!
        We do not believe, let's do it again!
        1. Civil
          Civil 25 August 2020 14: 02 New
          -10
          Quote: Campanella
          They wrote a poem straight!
          We do not believe, let's do it again!

          You are a Polish agent!
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 25 August 2020 15: 24 New
            +1
            Also the Mossad and TsrU and Mi6 ...
    7. Campanella
      Campanella 25 August 2020 12: 37 New
      +1
      Believe the video is yes, a good argument! Hollywood did not shoot like that.
      1. Arthur73
        Arthur73 26 August 2020 15: 25 New
        +3
        What Hollywood? The Ukrainians were told by the media and the Blokhera that the bridge to the Crimea is Mosfilm production laughing It's not even 4d, and not 5, it's over ten! And after filming, he, the bridge, materialized! This is the power of propaganda in Moscow wink
    8. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 August 2020 13: 11 New
      -10
      Did I miss something? What Molotov cocktails does Alexander Staver (Domokles) write about? Where and when were they accepted in Belarus? ????
    9. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 25 August 2020 15: 13 New
      +2
      Russia said that Belarus and the CSTO would not be offended. So Poland's occupation of Belarus failed to the accompaniment of the anthem "Magutny Bozha" of the fascist flag "Bela-chyrvona-bely stsyag" and the slogan of the collectors "Long live Belarus".
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 25 August 2020 15: 27 New
        +3
        The Ukrainian version did not work.
        Putin hinted to the West- "You will spit blood if you climb! And we will stretch your scarecrow on the globe!"
    10. baltiksi
      baltiksi 25 August 2020 20: 02 New
      -12
      This is no longer the dad who grabbed the Kalashnikov assault rifle. and his son Kolya is near. Both are in armored vehicles, SUPER. If they think that they will sit on machine gun barrels, their problems. Unfortunately, Russia and its media support Luka. And he has no future. Watch the video of your Russian journalists being shot. If you think that such programs as 60 minutes will add love to you in Belarus, you are very mistaken.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 26 August 2020 16: 02 New
        +1
        And I understand, if the opposition comes to kill him like Kadaffi, then he will be able to send a number of ghouls with him to the next world.
        And tell the Americans about the love of Belarusians. And yes, you don't have to speak for all Belarusians here, you are the only one here! Talk about your love!
        And you know what I will answer you? I love your love in one place!
    11. Normal ok
      Normal ok 26 August 2020 12: 29 New
      0
      The article is a set of official stamps. Personally, I consider what is happening in Belarus a successful operation by the Russian special services. For, if you follow the ancient legal paradigm: “look for who benefits,” it turns out that the main beneficiary of what is happening is the Kremlin. Lukashenka's "multi-vector" approach is now the END, he is tightly tied to Moscow's politics. It is no coincidence that one of the opposition leaders (Veronika Tsepkalo) spent a whole week in August (9-16) in Moscow.
      1. Arthur73
        Arthur73 26 August 2020 15: 28 New
        0
        "Did I destroy the church too?" (c)
    12. Valery Vinokurov
      Valery Vinokurov 28 August 2020 09: 10 New
      +1
      what will happen?
      Putin will attach this piece of the breakaway Russian world, like Crimea, back to Russia and disperse all this Russophobic Juda Shobla
      That's all that will be :-))
    13. Andobor
      Andobor 29 August 2020 20: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      According to the video,

      And you believe - Lopatnesh shit in full.
    14. gleb kovalev
      gleb kovalev 24 September 2020 19: 45 New
      0
      there were no more protesters. Operators started filming them differently. The trick is how to aim the camera. Like crowds! And to watch from a helicopter - a pitiful bunch of dull girls and women.
    15. varakin_54
      varakin_54 7 October 2020 11: 20 New
      0
      On Sunday, 500 people came out and screamed about 100.
  2. Clueless
    Clueless 25 August 2020 11: 07 New
    +1
    Let's give more such articles, let's humiliate the citizens of Belarus more. So that later, when Lukashenka leaves (and this is a matter of time), we all wondered why Belarusians hate Russia.
    Any rally in the post-Soviet space, this is necessarily interference from outside - of course, all power is white and fluffy, people in prisons do not spread rot, do not destroy the opposition.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 25 August 2020 11: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: Bad
      So that later, when Lukashenka leaves (and this is a matter of time), we all wondered why Belarusians hate Russia.

      This is called rake running. Instead of bringing a pro-Russian candidate instead of Lukashenka, we support a political corpse. The longer the protest lasts, the stronger the "Lithuanians" will be.
      1. Roman246810
        Roman246810 25 August 2020 12: 06 New
        -14
        bring a pro-Russian candidate instead of Lukashenko,


        Bggg .. who what, and the bald hair comb ..
        Already in Russia itself is sick of all this pro-Russian / Russophobic and other agitprop .. Let them choose pro-Belarusian for themselves .. and themselves ..
        And then we find the ears of the Poles in the rallies .. and as we ourselves want not only "pro-Russian", so also "lead" - so this normally means ..
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 25 August 2020 15: 30 New
        +4
        Grazdanin, not everything is so simple in the poorhouse!
        However, you are a strategist, I see!))) Big ...
      3. dauria
        dauria 25 August 2020 17: 02 New
        +8
        we support a political corpse.


        This "corpse" took a shovel and buried those who wanted to bury it. laughing
        The Belarusians can be envied - it turns out that Lukashenka has no accounts, no relatives, no property over the hill. And he is a man, albeit with mind-blowing "kinks".
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 27 August 2020 10: 32 New
          0
          Not bills are not related, but still a lot is tied to the western rot, the same Belarusian furniture is bought so the accessories are German ...
    2. lucul
      lucul 25 August 2020 11: 55 New
      +2
      Any rally in the post-Soviet space, this is necessarily interference from outside - of course, all power is white and fluffy, people in prisons do not spread rot, do not destroy the opposition.

      Is not it so ? ))))
      In / in Ukraine, prosperity must have come and began to live like Europe, that all rallies and demonstrations disappeared there at once (people are afraid after Odessa)?
      Does it come from your logic? )))
      The people themselves should go to spontaneous rallies, without organizing from outside? But as the example of Ukraine shows, no matter how bad the financial condition of the people is - without organization FROM OUTSIDE, the people themselves are not organized (no matter what Lenin is waving) and will not go to rallies and demonstrations ...
      Mister foreign agent)))
      1. Roman246810
        Roman246810 25 August 2020 12: 07 New
        -11
        Well, even if it is organized by someone .. what's wrong with that ..
        Remembering all the same Lenin ..
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 August 2020 12: 09 New
          +4
          Well, even if it is organized by someone .. what's wrong with that ..
          Remembering all the same Lenin ..

          Indeed, does it mean that protests in Palestine also have every right to life? Then why is Israel suppressing them?
          1. Roman246810
            Roman246810 25 August 2020 12: 47 New
            -6
            They usually suppress any protests - because they do not want to lose power ..
            Do you remember how in the movie ??
            - Why did you run away ??
            -And because you were catching up ..
            1. lucul
              lucul 25 August 2020 12: 54 New
              +3
              They usually suppress any protests - because they do not want to lose power ..

              Ie it is allowed there, but it is forbidden here? )))
              1. Roman246810
                Roman246810 25 August 2020 13: 04 New
                -8
                By whom??
                Why did you decide that some kind of Israel is the ultimate truth ..
                You are wonderful ..))
                1. lucul
                  lucul 25 August 2020 13: 27 New
                  +5
                  By whom??
                  Why did you decide that some kind of Israel is the ultimate truth ..
                  You are wonderful ..))

                  Well for you, yes)))
          2. Revival
            Revival 25 August 2020 12: 47 New
            +2
            Suppresses as long as it can, cannot suppress it, suppress it.
            It seems like everything is as always and everywhere
          3. borberd
            borberd 25 August 2020 13: 44 New
            -10
            Quote: lucul

            Indeed, does it mean that protests in Palestine also have every right to life? Then why is Israel suppressing them?

            Palestine is a territory 67% occupied by Jordan, several% under Syria and Lebanon. Israel has something like 19% of Palestine. In Israel itself, protests are few and far between, and no one is suppressed unless ... the protesters do not break the law, block highways and do not disturb other residents. There is no need to mold Israel to all your problems, it is better to write about your beloved Father - this is interesting for everyone now.
            1. Dart
              Dart 25 August 2020 23: 27 New
              -1
              you will answer for Galya ...
        2. Arthur73
          Arthur73 26 August 2020 15: 31 New
          0
          And you remember Stalin more often better wink Yes, think about it Novel246810 (Novel)

          ! hi
    3. Campanella
      Campanella 25 August 2020 12: 56 New
      +3
      Don't puff, your love hasn't given up to me. You can turn to the mirror and love all the way.
      Look, you remembered humiliation!
    4. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 25 August 2020 13: 34 New
      -8
      Quote: Bad
      Let's give more such articles, let's humiliate the citizens of Belarus more. So that later, when Lukashenka leaves (and this is a matter of time), we all wondered why Belarusians hate Russia.

      To hate Russia it is enough to read the comments of the "brothers". Each topic contains calls to crush with tanks, shoot, include in the "great empire", encouragement of torture and murder of dissent.

      And it turns out a paradoxical situation, "older brothers" send crowds of their propagandists to convince the people that Lukashenka is really good - we are ungrateful brutes, such shameful rats. That at the first call of our "VysheBog" there will be both troops and valiant guardsmen to crush the protesters "bought" by the West. They did not even say a word about the fact that the Russian Federation condemns the arbitrariness of the security forces towards the Belarusian population.
      What is there to the Belarusian! Russians !!! got under the distribution. Guys, girls beat them in dungeons no less than ours, hiding their presence on the same Akrestsin Street. And nothing, silence.

      On the other hand, the "evil puppeteers" who are trying to destroy the great stability offer the crippled and wounded to undergo treatment in the Czech Republic, the Poles offer free education to all students expelled for political reasons, condemn arbitrariness, and so on.

      So who is who for ordinary Belarusians? It is clear that Russia does not care about the population. They only need a buffer in the form of territories. But do you need to have at least some decency?
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 25 August 2020 16: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: TerribleGMO
        Quote: Bad
        Let's give more such articles, let's humiliate the citizens of Belarus more. So that later, when Lukashenka leaves (and this is a matter of time), we all wondered why Belarusians hate Russia.

        To hate Russia it is enough to read the comments of the "brothers". Each topic contains calls to crush with tanks, shoot, include in the "great empire", encouragement of torture and murder of dissent.

        And it turns out a paradoxical situation, "older brothers" send crowds of their propagandists to convince the people that Lukashenka is really good - we are ungrateful brutes, such shameful rats. That at the first call of our "VysheBog" there will be both troops and valiant guardsmen to crush the protesters "bought" by the West. They did not even say a word about the fact that the Russian Federation condemns the arbitrariness of the security forces towards the Belarusian population.
        What is there to the Belarusian! Russians !!! got under the distribution. Guys, girls beat them in dungeons no less than ours, hiding their presence on the same Akrestsin Street. And nothing, silence.

        On the other hand, the "evil puppeteers" who are trying to destroy the great stability offer the crippled and wounded to undergo treatment in the Czech Republic, the Poles offer free education to all students expelled for political reasons, condemn arbitrariness, and so on.

        So who is who for ordinary Belarusians? It is clear that Russia does not care about the population. They only need a buffer in the form of territories. But do you need to have at least some decency?

        Then come back tens of billions of dollars that the Russian Federation has invested in Belarus, since you do not like being a buffer or entering the Russian Federation, the markets will be blocked in the Russian Federation. You will pan. You fool do not even understand that the Poles train Belarusians for free to brainwash them there, and not out of good conscience.
        1. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 25 August 2020 16: 33 New
          -9
          Quote: Quadro
          Then come back tens of billions of dollars that the Russian Federation invested in the Republic of Belarus

          Have you invested in Lukashenka's regime? Ask him. He is the closest ally and will never betray or deceive, right? smile Moreover, according to V.V.P.

          Quote: Quadro
          You fool do not even understand that the Poles train Belarusians for free to brainwash them there, and not out of good conscience.

          Tell the one who lives here and sees perfectly well how the only dream of parents for their children is to educate them in Poland and take them (children) out of this "sasud" about the washing and the dork.
          1. Kisa
            Kisa 25 August 2020 18: 28 New
            0
            Well, how do you see the steps of the Russian Federation to push aside Poland? after all, the banquet of Belarus at the expense of the Russian Federation, you will not deny, but it integrates with Poland ...
            can really force RB to integrate / unify / absorb in the current situation?
          2. solzh
            solzh 1 September 2020 22: 49 New
            22
            Quote: TerribleGMO
            Tell the one who lives here and sees perfectly well how the only dream of parents for their children is to educate them in Poland and take them (children) out of this "sasud" about the washing and the dork.

            Is your name Hans Christian Andersen by chance?
      2. Motorist
        Motorist 25 August 2020 23: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: TerribleGMO
        To hate Russia, it is enough to read the comments of the "brothers" ... And the result is a paradoxical situation, the "elder brothers" send crowds of their propagandists ... It is clear that Russia does not care about the population.

        TerribleGMO, why are you again ?! This is the ignition of pure water! Who is sending whom, do not come up with - people read!
  3. Pavel73
    Pavel73 25 August 2020 11: 08 New
    +9
    All the presidents of Ukraine, starting with Kuchma, were mumbles.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 August 2020 11: 33 New
      +7
      Quote: Pavel73
      All the presidents of Ukraine, starting with Kuchma, were mumbles.

      Sorry, but Kravchuk, who was belay
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 25 August 2020 12: 24 New
        +2
        Kravchuk was a scoundrel. And now he is. The rest are neither fish nor meat.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 25 August 2020 12: 57 New
        +1
        Alkonaut Belovezhsky!)))
      3. Arthur73
        Arthur73 26 August 2020 15: 34 New
        0
        Biscuits in a cage-know what it is ??? lol
    2. Lumpen
      Lumpen 25 August 2020 13: 02 New
      -9
      Kuchma, for all the shortcomings of his rule, is the most popular president according to polls
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 August 2020 13: 15 New
        +8
        Quote: Lumpen
        Kuchma, for all the shortcomings of his rule, is the most popular president according to polls

        Such "polls" are not worth the price when Donbass was not asked about Kuchma.

        Anecdote about Kuchma, who went underground at the Shakhtyorskaya-Glubokaya mine, "following which" he was awarded the "Honorary title of a miner" ...

        - Kuchma went down into the mine, walked with his retinue along the workings, climbed into the lava ...

        And at the end of the shift, the combine rushed that the 41x46 key was missing yes .

        And beside the combine, except for him and Kuchma, there was no one else ...
        .

        Как you the result of such a survey?
        1. Lumpen
          Lumpen 25 August 2020 13: 28 New
          -11
          Not a hunt to delve into the net, but as far as I remember, these polls took place before the age of 14.
          And preempting your next post, but under him the existing oligarchic system was created
          And can you "speak" for the whole Donbass?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 August 2020 17: 49 New
            10
            Quote: Lumpen
            And can you "speak" for the whole Donbass?

            It is quite yes , because you "say" "for the whole ex-Ukraine"...

            Quote: Lumpen
            Don't hunt to dig in the net
            laughing

            I will add that Kuchma came to this mine ("Shakhtyorskaya-Glubokaya") during the election campaign, when he promised Donbass a lot, but after being elected and taking office as President, he led the opposite line of the deprived.
            1. Lumpen
              Lumpen 25 August 2020 17: 59 New
              -10
              I constantly appeal to opinion polls, then to certain documents or links!
              You, quote: - "a penny when Donbass was not asked," constantly signs for Donbass! By the way, Donbass is not only Donetsk and Lugansk regions, but part of Dnipropetrovsk
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 25 August 2020 19: 06 New
                +9
                Quote: Lumpen
                By the way, Donbass is not only Donetsk and Lugansk regions, but part of Dnipropetrovsk

                И Rostov ! yes
                Quote: Lumpen
                I am constantly appealing


                Good "appeal",get out from Donbass!
                1. Lumpen
                  Lumpen 25 August 2020 19: 46 New
                  -12
                  Most likely, I assume that you will have to apply for immigration!
                  Sc.
                  1. German Titov
                    German Titov 25 August 2020 22: 43 New
                    +6
                    Oh. Toton Mancroots have appeared. Learn Russian, it will come in handy in captivity. Do not know the correct spelling "immigration", write "a bird pecking a tree" simply, "I surrender." There you, for self-education, will not send a photo, where the "pravosek" himself "tatushka" with a brick reduces? Well, maybe a video of heroes from 2014. This is Donbass, child. Here "lava will land", in the kukuevka farm the skyscrapers will collapse.
                    1. Lumpen
                      Lumpen 26 August 2020 09: 54 New
                      -5
                      Smart guy open the dictionary and see how the word immigration differs from emigration
      2. solzh
        solzh 1 September 2020 22: 52 New
        26
        Quote: Lumpen
        Kuchma

        Is Kuchma the most popular president in Ukraine? wassat
        There is no popular president in Ukraine, since they lose their entire rating immediately after the elections due to anti-popular decisions.
  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 11: 10 New
    12
    The main complaint against Lukashenko is exactly the same as against Putin. Too long in power! And you can "glue" anything you want to this simple idea ...

    Generally speaking, the main complaint against Putin is the deteriorating quality of life over the past decade and the understanding that he is unable to cope with this situation. This is noticeable even from the refrains of his supporters - if until 2008 it sounded like "Choose Putin and you will live better", then after - "Choose Putin, otherwise you will live even worse than now."
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 25 August 2020 11: 14 New
      -1
      Not only. Also - an endless stream of lies and empty promises, from which everyone is already tired ..




      However - in some places Putin did not lie, because the middle class in our country is those who receive more than 17 thousand? sad And these are probably the majority ... laughing
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 August 2020 11: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Generally speaking, the main complaint against Putin is the deteriorating quality of life over the past decade and the understanding that he is unable to cope with this situation.

      What the LADY clearly voiced with his catch phrase in 2008. VVP is just sitting out for its term and hasn't made any serious steps and programs for a long time.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 11: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      This is noticeable even from the refrains of his supporters - if until 2008 it sounded like "Choose Putin and you will live better", then after - "Choose Putin, otherwise you will live even worse than now."

      What ...
      Name a country in which the economic situation has dramatically improved over the past 2-3 years?
      And against the background of a fall in industrial production in all developed countries on the occasion of Covid-19, there is a global stagnation of the economy with a non-optimistic forecast.
      China may still be in a stable position. But the CCP and Comrade Xi are not a decree to many, and not even a comrade.
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 25 August 2020 12: 18 New
        -4
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Name a country in which the economic situation has dramatically improved over the past 2-3 years?

        if we compare in percentage terms, in the Russian Federation more than 14% of people are below the poverty line, and in China - only 8%.
        Every year, families in need are provided with 100 yuan for housing improvements. Thanks to these subsidies, the poor Chinese can electrify the house and put water into it, if there were no such communications.

        Source: https://visasam.ru/emigration/asia/bednost-v-kitae.html

        The Chinese leadership has achieved the most success in this struggle over the past four years, when in 2016 the CPC adopted the 13th Five-Year Plan, the main goal of which is to completely overcome poverty throughout the country by the end of 2020. Thus, from 2016 to 2019 biennium the poor, living on less than 2300 yuan ($ 328) a year, fell from 100 million to 6,6 million. And the overall poverty rate in rural areas fell from 10,2% to 1,7%.

        https://svpressa.ru/society/article/265901/
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 14: 13 New
          +8
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          https://svpressa.ru/society/article/265901/

          Giving sample statistics is an interesting thing.
          But these games can be played together.
          In light of the investments that have come into the economy of the PRC over the past two decades, compare the two current antagonists - the United States and China. Because under the conditions of political, economic and military pressure exerted by the collective West on Russia over the past 20 years, the conditions for the development of the economies of the Russian Federation and the PRC are not just not the same. There is a monstrous difference. And as soon as Trump began to put pressure on China in the last year, the pace of economic development of the latter dropped noticeably.
          There are ups and downs in the history of the development of all countries. The same China and Norway in the 60s are the poorest countries.
          At the current stage in the development of civilization, Russia cannot make the leap that would bring it into the ranks of the world leaders. All methods are used - from financial to political. Sanctions are announced with or without reason. And there is no reason to expect positive things in the near future.
          Once upon a time, the South Korean dictator Park Jong Hee told his so-called. oligarchs: "Do you want to drive good cars? Make your own." And raised import duties on Japanese cars ...
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 25 August 2020 12: 39 New
        +4
        Comrade Xi will beat any non-comrade in China one or two times. The CCP is such a decree that many never dreamed of. Another thing is she no longer "K 'for a long time, this party.
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 12: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        What ...

        Yes it is.
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Name a country in which the economic situation has dramatically improved over the past 2-3 years?

        In order for the standard of living not to fall, dramatic improvements are not needed. It is enough to maintain the current situation or moderate growth, which, in general, is characteristic of most of Europe. and yes, why do you mention only the last 2-3 years?
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        And against the background of a fall in industrial production in all developed countries on the occasion of Covid-19, there is a global stagnation of the economy with a non-optimistic forecast.

        And this is the reason for our problems in the economy since 2008? :)))))
        Let me remind you that the 2008 crisis was caused by the US mortgage crisis. But they survived it (if you look at the average salary) much better than we.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 13: 24 New
          -2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          In order for the standard of living not to fall, dramatic improvements are not needed

          And how was it that you were not invited to the Government ... There would be something to teach Mishustin and Belousov ..
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Let me remind you that the 2008 crisis was caused by the US mortgage crisis. But they survived it (if you look at the average salary) much better than we

          Come on...
          Let's then start with the 1998 crisis, and compare the state of the economies of the Western countries and Russia, starting from that time.
          And we must start with the "safety cushion", by that time, accumulated by each of the countries. Norway hardly noticed the crises of 1998 and 2008. They still have over $ 1 trillion in the People's Welfare Fund.
          The 2008 bubble hit everyone who counted on income in American securities. The profitability was great. But it turned into losses. The only winner was the New York Stock Exchange - it melted the illiquid stock.
          Today less and less people believe in the dollar. But the world's economy is tied to these forever green candy wrappers. And attempts to switch to other reserve currencies will not solve anything - all the economies of the world are tied to the US economy. And Russian, very much ...
          We are waiting for the collapse of the market. And what can confirm the country's solvency if the dollar collapses? Gold reserves? Nobody knows that.
          And the Russian Federation, if it fits into the world economy on the conditions that were at the junction of the 80s and 90s, then it cannot jump off the steps of a train going into the unknown.
          Well yes...
          The level of the average salary must be recalculated through the current ruble exchange rate. When the dollar was 25-30 rubles, everyone was happy. But no one answered - what needs to be done to really either lower the rate, or raise the average salary.
          And so - the streets are dark and cold, the people are begging, the economy is in ruin. Well, just like on the editorials of Ukrainian newspapers. Even the Colorado cockroach, which everyone admired, did not fail to take a ride on this topic the day before.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 06: 50 New
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Let's then start with the 1998 crisis, and compare the state of the economies of the Western countries and Russia, starting from that time.

            What for? I argued that the standard of living in the Russian Federation has been falling for the last decade. Where does the 1998 crisis come from?
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And we must start with the "safety cushion", by that time, accumulated by each of the countries.

            The USA has a gigantic external debt, they survived the 2008 crisis easier than us
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            The 2008 bubble hit everyone who counted on income in American securities.

            And the consequence for us was the dollar's rise in price by 27%? Strange American paper fell in price
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And so - the streets are dark and cold, the people are begging, the economy is in ruin.

            Real incomes of the population are declining, this is a fact.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 09: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

              The USA has a gigantic external debt, they survived the 2008 crisis easier than us

              Yes, they wanted to sneeze for this debt. The Fed will print as much as necessary.
              And the rest of the world, which uses these papers as a means of payment, will be cleared up.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              What for? I argued that the standard of living in the Russian Federation has been falling for the last decade. Where does the 1998 crisis come from?

              It should be considered in a complex, and not taken out of context. All crises began in the United States when the cunning guys from the New York Stock Exchange started playing their games.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

              Real incomes of the population are declining, this is a fact

              This has become a pronounced trend since 2014, when the sanctions went down the drain.
              Even the same Kudrin cites 2012 as a year for comparison with the next one.
              PS
              It was the pressure of the Russian Federation on the external financial-economic market that led to this state of affairs. There are no land funds in the country at a normal interest rate, and if there is, it is much higher than in European banks.
              Long-term loans in euros are not available (sanctions), and short-term problems do not solve.
              I repeat.
              We sat down at the same table with financial players, having neither experience nor funds, playing by THEIR rules.
              The history of relations between the IMF and Ukraine has shown that politics and finance are still compatible.
              When the main wallet is in (and under the control) of the United States, and they are stamping sanctions and pressing all over the field (the US Treasury), then the statements of black presidents about the Russian economy being torn to shreds are natural and logical.
              And this state of affairs cannot but affect the macroeconomics of Russia.
              If more money is invested in the medium term than received, then it is necessary to reduce costs.
              The high level of income of the population, observed since the mid-XNUMXs, was, in fact, an advance. But it was not backed up by the expected return.
              And everyone can distribute money. There would be money, but who will find it.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 10: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Yes, they wanted to sneeze for this debt. The Fed will print as much as necessary.

                Take any European country with their foreign debts. They also overcame that crisis much easier than us
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                It should be considered in a complex, and not taken out of context. All crises began in the United States when the cunning guys from the New York Stock Exchange started playing their games.

                And if we look at it as a whole, then the 1998 crisis was caused by a number of internal reasons (mediocre economic policy) and the Asian financial crisis, to which the New York Stock Exchange is in no way.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                This has become a pronounced trend since 2014, when the sanctions went down the drain.

                (sigh) And what are the specific sanctions that have crippled our wages?
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                It was the pressure of the Russian Federation on the external financial-economic market that led to this state of affairs. There are no land funds in the country at a normal interest rate, and if there is, it is much higher than in European banks.

                Very funny. There was NEVER any borrowed funds in the country at a normal interest rate, neither before 2014 nor after.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                I repeat.
                We sat down at the same table with financial players, having neither experience nor funds, playing by THEIR rules.

                The only question is that the Russian economy, in fact, very little depends on external speculation. The problem of the same income is almost exclusively our problem, which we ourselves created, or rather, the economic policy (internal) of the president and the government of the Russian Federation led to it. Sanctions ... are excuses
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 10: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  (heavy sigh) And what specific sanctions have crippled our salary

                  Your salary has been crippled by regulatory documents that establish and regulate this salary. If we are talking about state employees. Not immediately, but as the budget deficit accumulates. By 2016, the situation worsened. If you have acquaintances economists of state institutions - ask - when they began to cut the budget.
                  Ultimately, after filling the store shelves with imported goods purchased at a dollar exchange rate of 50-55 rubles, we inevitably get a drop in the purchasing power of the population when the dollar rate rises to 70 rubles.
                  Based on this, we can ask how justified were the increase in public sector wages until 2012? Who is adjusting this issue? Ministry of Economic Development? What plans did he have, what were they based on?
                  And finally, where are the control numbers?
                  To me, these talks about the impoverishment of the people remind me of Zyuganov's demonstration performances in the mid-90s, when, taking care of the common people, he simply offered to print money and distribute it to all those in need.
                  I am not an economist. Therefore, I see no reason to give arguments, the essence of which I do not know.
                  But I don't think it's right to blame the country's leadership for the falling living standards. So we got to the Furgalovites in Khabarovsk, who sincerely believe that Putin and Yevon friends are personally to blame for everything.
                  PS Comparing in recent years the European countries I visit with Russia, where I live, I can say one thing - slowly and confidently my native provincial city, located strictly in the middle between Moscow and Kharkov, is becoming more beautiful, cleaner and tidier. It is imperceptible if you live in it constantly. But everything is learned in comparison ...
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 11: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Your salary has been crippled by regulatory documents that establish and regulate this salary.

                    Do not write nonsense, please.
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    I am not an economist. Therefore, I see no reason to give arguments, the essence of which I do not know.

                    The first right place in your reasoning. If that I am just an economist
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Ultimately, after filling the store shelves with imported goods purchased at a dollar exchange rate of 50-55 rubles, we inevitably get a drop in the purchasing power of the population when the dollar rate rises to 70 rubles.

                    Right. Now - the next question. Why is the dollar rate so jumping? Explain who installs it?
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 11: 13 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                      Do not write nonsense, please

                      Are your verses a divine revelation?
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      The first right place in your reasoning. If that I am just an economist

                      Have you received the annual salary fund layout? To your company, institution? Where is the amount of salary including allowances strictly specified?
                      Who sent it and where did it come from?
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Right. Now - the next question. Why is the dollar rate so jumping? Explain who installs it?

                      That's how I look at stock prices.
                      And who installs personally - it smacks of nonsense like "Who and how counts the votes in the elections", which is especially important in light of the title of the article, on the thread of which our dialogue "deaf with the blind" is going.
                      fellow
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 11: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Are your verses a divine revelation?

                        For you, most likely - yes. Since you are not able to independently understand that the purchasing power of the population:
                        1) Doesn't focus on state employees
                        2) It is determined by the purchasing power of the salary, which in turn is determined by the ratio of the nominal salary and the prevailing level of prices for consumer goods
                        3) Cannot be detected / canted
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        regulatory documents that establish and regulate this salary.

                        because they determine only the size of the nominal salary of state employees, but not all others not related to the budget salary and do not in any way affect the price levels of TME
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Have you received the annual salary fund layout? To your company, institution? Where is the amount of salary including allowances strictly specified?
                        Who sent it and where did it come from?

                        I am revealing a military secret - in the general case, the RFP per year is calculated through the current staffing table, adjusted for the vacancy recruitment plan, approved by the General Director and agreed with the shareholders (owners). At the same time, the SR is not a dogma, it is subject to changes, including both rates and a complete change in the remuneration system.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And who sets it personally - it smacks of delirium like "Who and how counts the votes in the elections"

                        You see, election fraud is a fact, not nonsense :)))))) I am not suggesting that you believe me, because I am not going to provide evidence (not to substitute good people).
                        And the main reason for the change in the dollar exchange rate is the deficit-free (minimum-deficit) budget of the Russian Federation. This is all tied up.
      4. Revival
        Revival 25 August 2020 12: 49 New
        +5
        Well, those countries that we are trying to look up to do not get poorer for 7 years in a row.
        Something I do not hear constant references to the fact that it is necessary to raise pensions as in Germany, otherwise they have what, in contrast to the retirement age.
        It is convenient to choose what to like and refer to, forgetting about the rest
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 13: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: Revival
          Well, those countries that we are trying to look up to do not get poorer for 7 years in a row.
          Something I do not hear constant references to the fact that it is necessary to raise pensions as in Germany, otherwise they have what, in contrast to the retirement age.
          It is convenient to choose what to like and refer to, forgetting about the rest

          To understand the situation inside the country, one has to live and work there. References to German pensions and Norwegian salaries are not relevant. And, for some reason, they stopped referring to the experience in "the most democratic country in the world." Where the income stratification is worse than the Russian one.
          Today, on another thread, I wrote about a TV report I saw on Spanish television, where it was shown in detail how the people in Madrid do not hesitate to check the contents of garbage cans near the stores, where I throw out delays and fruits and vegetables that have withered in a day. It is clear that not from a good life. So they silently exposed me to continuous minuses. They didn't believe my "propaganda" ...
          You, citizens, have the idea that there is always more in the hands of others.
          1. Revival
            Revival 25 August 2020 13: 36 New
            +2
            Is the reference to someone else's retirement age relevant in the same countries?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 13: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Revival
              Is the reference to someone else's retirement age relevant in the same countries?

              Why didn't you go there, didn't you work? So they would enlighten.
              Shouting from the stalls is convenient - both at the stage and it is heard well ...
              1. Revival
                Revival 25 August 2020 13: 45 New
                +1
                Can you answer the topic?
                Why is the reference to someone else's retirement age relevant for the authorities, but suddenly there is no pension or salary?
                What is it suddenly in isolation link?
                Either we refer or not.

                So I say that "Shouting from a partner is convenient" about the retirement age in Germany, but about the size of pensions a hypocritical silence
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 13: 47 New
                  +1
                  Have the authorities told you about references to labor productivity in a foreign country? And from what is added value created?
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 25 August 2020 13: 51 New
                    0
                    So if our conditions are different, then how bad we are dragging here, but for the good they say "they themselves did not come out with a face."
                    Like we manage well, but you do not work well, you deserve the bad, but you didn’t make money for the good?
                    Conveniently, yes, they say, no matter how excellently we manage, but we are forced to raise the retirement age without raising pensions because you are such losers, I got loafers
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 13: 55 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Revival
                      Like we manage well, but you do not work well, you deserve the bad, but you didn’t make money for the good?

                      Have you tried to start comparing the state of the economy of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus?
                      And summarize for today?
                      Isn't that an example?
                      After all, they started on practically the same terms, except for the fact that the Russian Federation, as the successor to the USSR, paid off a debt of $ 130 billion?
                      We are to the economies of the West - like walking to Berlin. And, as a consequence, to their real income.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 25 August 2020 14: 07 New
                        +3
                        This is all clear.
                        But then what right is there to worsen the already economic situation of the people without prejudice to oneself !?
                        That the salary of Sechin was cut to 17000 rubles?
                        Deputies and ministers can have a salary of 35000 rubles?
                        If we have such a small size of the economy, then why are they at the world level, and among the common people in reality !?
                        What moral right, introducing worsening, to blame the situation in the country's economy, bypassing itself?
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 14: 19 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Revival
                        What is the moral right, introducing deterioration, to blame the situation in the country's economy, bypassing itself

                        I'll tell you honestly - if I knew all the answers to questions of this level, I would obviously not have spent half of my life in the seas ...
                        In relative terms, my salary (average annual) is tears by the standards of Moscow. But people live in my hometown, buy apartments and cars. Sometimes such that you wonder.
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 25 August 2020 14: 30 New
                        +1
                        So I say, not any ...
                      4. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 25 August 2020 14: 32 New
                        +3
                        ... "In a lot of knowledge - a lot of sorrow."
                        Attempts to get to the bottom of the truth sometimes lead to the irreparable.
                        ... "Fear your desires for they can come true" ...
  • lucul
    lucul 25 August 2020 11: 43 New
    -10
    Generally speaking, the main complaint against Putin is the deteriorating quality of life over the past decade and the understanding that he is unable to cope with this situation.

    Is it okay that now Russia's relations with the West are much worse than during the Cold War?
    The choice is between the conditional Putin (an enemy of the West) and the conditional new Yeltsin (a supporter of the West).
    The West simply will not give us other options.
    1. Roman246810
      Roman246810 25 August 2020 12: 40 New
      +1
      Again, here the "west" is to blame ..))
      Hospadi, where do you come from ..

      About how the "supporter of the West" appointed his "enemy of the West" as his successor .. despite the fact that both of these options were "given to us by the West" .. this is generally a masterpiece of "design" thought ..
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 August 2020 12: 46 New
        -6
        Again, here the "west" is to blame ..))
        Hospadi, where do you come from ..

        Well, yes, you only get pregnant from the Holy Spirit)))
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 13: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Roman246810
        Again, here the "west" is to blame ..))

        Well, not Putin :)))))))
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 25 August 2020 12: 42 New
      +1
      And we should ask this pink-blue tolerant west? Can't we choose the direction and control ourselves?
    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 12: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: lucul
      Is it okay that now Russia's relations with the West are much worse than during the Cold War?

      Why would you? By the way, there were no sanctions during the 2008 crisis.
      Quote: lucul
      The choice is between the conditional Putin (an enemy of the West) and the conditional new Yeltsin (a supporter of the West).

      Yes, yes, in Russia, for more than 14 million people, only Putin is the enemy of the West, there are no others. Wherever you spit - everywhere Yeltsin. Isn't it funny yourself?
      Quote: lucul
      The West simply will not give us other options.

      Do you know that I've always been funny? People like you are sure that the cries of the West that the Russian Federation is interfering in their elections is nonsense, but they are firmly convinced that the West rules the elections in the Russian Federation :))))
      Nobody rules our elections. In addition to GDP, it's clear
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 August 2020 12: 49 New
        -1
        Do you know that I've always been funny? People like you are sure that the cries of the West that the Russian Federation is interfering in their elections is nonsense, but they are firmly convinced that the West rules the elections in the Russian Federation :))))

        I will quote myself:
        " Is not it so ? ))))
        In / in Ukraine, prosperity must have come and began to live like Europe, that all rallies and demonstrations disappeared there at once (people are afraid after Odessa)?
        Does it come from your logic? )))
        The people themselves should go to spontaneous rallies, without organizing from outside? But as the example of Ukraine shows, no matter how bad the financial condition of the people is - without organization FROM OUTSIDE, the people themselves are not organized (no matter what Lenin is waving) and will not go to rallies and demonstrations ...
        Mister foreign agent))) "
        1. Roman246810
          Roman246810 25 August 2020 12: 58 New
          -1
          A person writes to you about Thomas .. and you to him about Erema ..
          Do not quote yourself .. but read first what he wrote ..
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 13: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: lucul
          In / in Ukraine, prosperity must have come and began to live like Europe, that all rallies and demonstrations disappeared there at once (people are afraid after Odessa)?
          Does it come from your logic? )))

          This does not come from my logic. This comes from your lack of logic. If not Putin, you have a Ukrainian scenario. That's bullshit.
          Let me remind you that in the United States and in many other countries there is no Putin. And there is no Ukrainian scenario. And there is an election race in which there are at least two strong and nationally oriented presidential candidates.
          Quote: lucul
          The people themselves should go to spontaneous rallies, without organizing from outside? But as the example of Ukraine shows, no matter how bad the financial condition of the people is - without organization FROM OUTSIDE, the people themselves are not organized (no matter what Lenin is waving) and will not go to rallies and demonstrations ...

          Your logic just waved a pen at you. This means that the people themselves will not go to rallies without influence from OUTSIDE, right? But when I write

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Such people as you are sure that the cries of the West that the Russian Federation is interfering in their elections is nonsense

          and you answer
          Quote: lucul
          I will quote myself:
          " Is not it so ? ))))

          Then the question arises. From which OUTSIDE the mass unrest in the USA was financed and organized? Not us, I agree (at least in something you could not be mistaken). Who? Luxembourg? Cambodia? Planet Nibiru?
          1. Roman246810
            Roman246810 25 August 2020 13: 08 New
            -1
            Andrey .. I doubt he will understand your message ..))
            When there is no logic, it is useless to quote a person ..
            1. lucul
              lucul 25 August 2020 13: 24 New
              -4
              Andrey .. I doubt he will understand your message ..))
              When there is no logic, it is useless to quote a person ..

              I declare the census of God's chosen ones on the site open ...
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 13: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: Roman246810
              Andrey .. I doubt he will understand your message ..))

              He - definitely not, where should he? But in such cases I write not for the "opponent" (well, I cannot seriously consider him as my opponent), but for people reading the correspondence - let them have some fun :)))
          2. lucul
            lucul 25 August 2020 13: 22 New
            -6
            This does not come from my logic. This comes from your lack of logic.

            Of course, where do I care about your God-chosen logic)))
            Then the question arises. From WHICH OUTSIDE the mass unrest in the USA was financed and organized?

            I explain on my fingers - your Zionists are pulling power in the United States, that's why they are causing riots. The whole point of Trump's fight is the fight against the Zionists.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 13: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: lucul
              I explain on my fingers - your Zionists are pulling power in the United States

              ABOUT! I am not only a foreign agent, I am also a Zionist! SO YES !!! And don't you dare contradict me, the Supreme Ruler of the Zionist occupation regime, or what is it called now? I, disgusting, forgot laughing
              1. lucul
                lucul 25 August 2020 13: 29 New
                -3
                I, shit, forgot laughing

                Well, "you will recognize them by their actions")))
    4. Revival
      Revival 25 August 2020 12: 52 New
      0
      Well then, according to your logic, our business is a pipe, if only the West gives us options
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 25 August 2020 12: 25 New
    -5
    Don’t shame the Urals, fellow countrywoman.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 12: 46 New
      +3
      Whenever I need your advice, I will ask him. And yes, I would tell you, who is the Ural disgrace, but you still won't get it
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 25 August 2020 12: 47 New
        -2
        This is not advice, but a request.
        1. Roman246810
          Roman246810 25 August 2020 13: 00 New
          -2
          Then I also have a request to you - do not disgrace the human race ..
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 13: 05 New
          +5
          Quote: Pavel73
          This is not advice, but a request.

          This is rudeness, not a request. And, even if we consider it as such, it is impossible, for the simple reason that I cannot stop doing what I do not do
    2. lucul
      lucul 25 August 2020 12: 50 New
      -6
      Don’t shame the Urals, fellow countrywoman.

      Yes, he's a long-sleeping agent, nothing new ...
      1. Roman246810
        Roman246810 25 August 2020 13: 02 New
        +2
        The person wrote to Putin everything clearly and to the point .. as it is ..
        And only those mindlessly screaming in the "Ural-Tagiil" style are disgraced here.
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 25 August 2020 13: 11 New
          +1
          The person tries to convince the interlocutors that in our country there is something like a Putin personality cult. This is absolutely not the case. Moreover, I can honestly say that I voted AGAINST the amendments to the constitution precisely because there is a clause there that nullifies the presidential term. But not because Putin is a bad president, but precisely because he is a good president, a professional and a patriot. And a good president has no right to be the only one possible.
          1. Roman246810
            Roman246810 25 August 2020 13: 22 New
            -7
            I didn’t come across anything about the cult in his words .. Rather, it’s just words about why Putin is a bad president, an amateur, and a swindler .. Apparently, this is what hurt you ..

            Generally speaking, the main complaint against Putin is the deteriorating quality of life over the past decade and the understanding that he is unable to cope with this situation. This is noticeable even from the refrains of his supporters - if until 2008 it sounded like "Choose Putin and you will live better", then after - "Choose Putin, otherwise you will live even worse than now."



            a good president has no right to be the only one possible.

            This, of course, does not apply to the topic .. but since I like to dig deeper into logic -
            a bad president has the right to be the only one possible ..)))
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 25 August 2020 13: 48 New
              0
              And I say that Putin is a good president, a professional, and an honest person. At least in comparison with colleagues from other states. During the years of Putin's rule, the quality of life in Russia has risen to a level that has never been seen in its entire history. Motorization, mass cottage construction, repair and construction of roads, any assortment in stores, a complete lack of queues, new airports and locomotives, the possibility of almost any resident of Russia to visit abroad, in any corner of the globe - all these facts that I see with my own eyes, will not let you lie. Why should I not believe my eyes? It used to be worse, now it's better. So Putin is a good president. You won't be able to deceive me: I found both the Soviet era and the 90s, I saw Germany, the Netherlands, and Belgium, I have something to compare with.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 08: 54 New
                +4
                Quote: Pavel73
                During the years of Putin's rule, the quality of life in Russia has risen to a level that has never been seen in its entire history.

                Until 2008 it was rising, then it went down.
                1. Pavel73
                  Pavel73 26 August 2020 11: 40 New
                  0
                  Yes? Strange, but it was after 2008 that I, a simple factory electrician engineer, felt an increase in my well-being. In 2014, just after the dollar jump, I bought a NEW car for the first time in my life. And in 2015 he drove on it from the Urals to the Black Sea and back. And I saw such positive changes in Russia that I will tear myself apart for Putin!
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 12: 14 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Pavel73
                    Yes? Strange, but it was after 2008 that I, a simple factory electrician engineer, felt an increase in my well-being.

                    I am glad for you in terms of well-being. Only there is one small nuance - you:
                    1) Or have changed something very seriously in their life, but now they "forgot" to mention it
                    2) Or you lie without blushing.
                    3) Or (a rare case, but this happened) your enterprise had such low salary that people fled, and the management had to sharply raise the salary level in order not to bankrupt the enterprise. Then - yes, the growth of well-being is also possible. But in this case, I strongly recommend contacting an ophthalmologist - you clearly have something with your eyesight that you do not want to see anything around you. Or ... with a conscience that you just don't want to notice anything around?
                    Quote: Pavel73
                    And in 2015 he drove on it from the Urals to the Black Sea and back. And I saw such positive changes in Russia

                    Naturally, they saw. But compared to what time period?
                    Quote: Pavel73
                    what a Putin I will tear!

                    Are you sure you are a simple factory electrician and not the daughter of an officer?
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 August 2020 13: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: Pavel73
            The person tries to convince the interlocutors that in our country there is something like a Putin personality cult.

            Where exactly in my comment
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Generally speaking, the main complaint against Putin is the deteriorating quality of life over the past decade and the understanding that he is unable to cope with this situation. This is noticeable even from the refrains of his supporters - if until 2008 it sounded like "Choose Putin and you will live better", then after - "Choose Putin, otherwise you will live even worse than now."

            Have you read this?
            But in general - yes. There is a personality cult, and it is very strong. Cult, I mean
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 25 August 2020 13: 51 New
              +2
              "Choose Putin!" - this is an attempt to say that we have a cult of Putin's personality. By the way, I have never heard this phrase EVER and FROM ANYONE. Except for the opponents of Putin.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 25 August 2020 19: 02 New
                +4
                Chelyabinsk, and other authors, the article was not actually about Putin ... You are sorry it turns out like Swedish lumberjacks
              2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 06: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Pavel73
                "Choose Putin!" - this is an attempt to say that we have a cult of Putin's personality. By the way, I have never heard this phrase EVER and FROM ANYONE.

                Tell me Putin's mistakes that are widely discussed in the media. There are no such? Not. How old is it? Read any media news. Thanks to whom are all our victories achieved? Thanks to Putin.
                That is, in all officers. The media we have a picture of blurring mistakes but appropriating all the achievements of the GDP. If this is not a cult of personality, then I really don't know what a cult is
                1. Pavel73
                  Pavel73 26 August 2020 11: 35 New
                  -2
                  Putin did not have major mistakes. Perhaps only a reassessment of pro-Russian sentiments in the South-East of Ukraine. Everything else is not mistakes, but unpopular decisions. Everything that Putin has done, but we do not like, was done not by mistake, but deliberately, because it could not be otherwise.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 12: 23 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Pavel73
                    Putin did not have major mistakes.

                    laughing good fool
                    Here's one of Putin's biggest mistakes - the WTO. He diligently and persistently shoved the country into the WTO, which seriously undermined our manufacturing sector, which, in principle, could not compete with foreigners, since it was losing out on opportunities to attract investment loans. Who's guilty? Kudrin with his policies, henchman of GDP. Putin and his government were building ALL of the domestic economic policy of the Russian Federation on close integration into the world community - they say, there is not enough money - borrow in the West!
                    Those who managed to borrow were killed by the rise in the dollar exchange rate during the 2008 and 2009 crises. Why did the exchange rate rise in the Russian Federation? To ensure the budget of the Russian Federation, that is, Putin's model of the economy is responsible for this.
                    And then we flew into sanctions, the very idea of ​​the WTO was covered with a copper basin, and Putin was forced to change course by 180%, switching to import substitution. If he started with this in 2000 ...
                    And what about Putin's failure to involve Ukraine in the Customs Union? As a result of the failures of our policy, we did not introduce Ukraine into the CU, and we received a pro-Western government hostile to us in Ukraine.
                    In general, you ... open your eyes
                    1. Pavel73
                      Pavel73 26 August 2020 12: 43 New
                      0
                      Putin could not start with import substitution in 2000. Firstly, he just took over as head of state. Secondly, at that time Russia had too few gold and foreign exchange reserves. Do you think import substitution is that easy? This is a step-by-step process that requires a huge investment and time. What was Soviet was destroyed and sold out in the 90s. And what remains is hopelessly outdated. We lay in ruins for ten years! Well, try to create a modern processor on this ashes! Remembering that during these 10 years the West has whistled ahead so much that it cannot be seen. Where to get the footage? Some are retired, some gave up their engineering job, and started selling clothes. We had to learn again! The very West, our enemy. New equipment, new software. And only when we learned something (for which integration into the world economy was needed), then it became possible to gradually become more independent and import substitution.
                    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 13: 07 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Putin could not start with import substitution in 2000. Firstly, he just took over as head of state. Secondly, at that time Russia had too few gold and foreign exchange reserves.

                      good Listen, well, maybe there will be enough economic "revelations" to write? :))))
                      Gold and foreign exchange reserves are not tied in any way to import substitution, these are fundamentally different things. For gold and foreign exchange reserves, a surplus in foreign trade is needed, which will add up to a money-box instead of being invested in the economy. And for import substitution, it was necessary to take measures to restore its own industry, providing it with investment loans / support with tax incentives and so on and helping them with a reasonable customs policy.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Do you think import substitution is that easy? This is a step-by-step process that requires a huge investment and time.

                      Even more complete nonsense, excuse me. In 2000 we DIDN'T have such a big import. In the same 2000, we imported goods worth less than $ 50 billion. And in 2008, imports exceeded $ 250 billion. That is, our economic policy under Putin first inflated imports to the skies, then rushed to blow them away. And it was much easier to engage in import substitution in the early 2000s, since there was still nothing special to replace.
                      What was needed was an IMPORTANT import policy focused on creating its own high-tech production.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      it was Soviet, then in the 90s it was destroyed and sold out. And what remains is hopelessly outdated. We lay in ruins for ten years!

                      I beg you :))))))) Huge masses of industrial enterprises are still working on what is left of the USSR :)))) There is something new, but it is frankly not enough.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Where to get the footage? Some are retired, some gave up their engineering job, and started selling clothes. We had to learn again! The very West, our enemy.

                      And again, you are wrong. Putin simply buried, for example, the secondary vocational education system. In fact, factories today train workers at their own expense.
                      In fact, it began to reach the GDP that the industry was dying in the course of the GPV-2011-2020 fiasco, when it became clear that no matter how much money you give - and if production is destroyed and there is no personnel, then nothing will happen. In fact, under Putin, the production sector has always suffocated, in 2000-2010 we continued to lose people, technology, and production on a massive scale.
                    3. Pavel73
                      Pavel73 26 August 2020 13: 42 New
                      0
                      Okay, I'll try on my fingers. We don't have modern processors. To make them, you need modern equipment. He must be taken somewhere. Where? Do it yourself? Do we know how? Not? So you have to learn. Where? Who? Only those who already know how to do this have no one else. And at first you will also have to buy from them. And since the equipment for the production of processors costs millions of times more than the processors themselves, that's what gold and foreign exchange reserves are for.
                    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 14: 07 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Okay, I'll try on my fingers.

                      Paul, a man who positions himself
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      me, a simple factory electrician engineer

                      and who is trying to explain economic issues on his fingers to the CFO with the experience of pulling city-forming enterprises out of the crisis looks a little funny.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      And since the equipment for the production of processors costs millions of times more than the processors themselves, that's what gold and foreign exchange reserves are for.

                      (heavy sigh). Imagine your own budget. You earn enough to meet your primary and family needs (food / clothing / medicine / utility) and you still have something on top. This is something you can:
                      1) Invest in some real estate projects (buy an apartment, a car or get a paid education, well, you get the idea)
                      2) Invest in gold or dollars.
                      Investing in gold or APRIORI dollars reduces your money that you can spend on family needs. So, everything is the same with the country's budget.
                    5. Liam
                      Liam 26 August 2020 14: 13 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      financial director with experience in pulling out of the crisis city-forming enterprises

                      ))))
                    6. Pavel73
                      Pavel73 26 August 2020 17: 26 New
                      0
                      A heavy sigh: the conversation was about import substitution. You said that Putin's mistake was that he did not start this in 2000. Do you, being the financial director of enterprises, do not know that complete import substitution is in principle impossible, and incomplete is still many times more expensive than imports? Again on the fingers: the processor costs $ 10, and the hardware for its production - $ 10 million (this is offhand, and very inexpensive). That is, for the money, how much it costs to manufacture processors, you can buy 1 million units. In other words, import substitution is many times more expensive than imports. What did we have in 2000? I remember it well: a lot of debt, and Chinese noodles b / n on the tables, because there was no more money for anything. For which lice would we buy equipment for import substitution in 2000? And in general, in what cases is it really needed, and in what cases can you get by with imports? For example, we buy equipment abroad for $ 10 million for the production of processors for $ 10 - is this import substitution or not?
                    7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 August 2020 08: 00 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      You said that Putin's mistake is that he did not start it in 2000.

                      Yes.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Do you, being the financial director of enterprises, do not know that complete import substitution is, in principle, impossible, and incomplete is still many times more expensive than import?

                      Firstly, there is no need to distort - I was talking about import substitution, and not about COMPLETE import substitution.
                      Secondly, quite often import substitution is not more expensive but CHEAPER than imports.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Again on the fingers: the processor costs $ 10, and the hardware for its production - $ 10 million (this is offhand, and very inexpensive). That is, for the money, how much it costs to manufacture processors, you can buy 1 million units. In other words, import substitution is many times more expensive than imports

                      And now - the correct (but very simplified) calculation. Everything is calculated on the basis of the need - for example, we need 200 thousand processors annually (the numbers are relative). We can buy these processors for $ 10 each, or we can buy equipment for their production, which will work for 20 years and cost $ 10 million.Therefore, we have a choice - or spend $ 2 million annually and spend $ 40 million on processors for the next 20 years, or buy equipment for $ 10 million and make it yourself. And here you just need to calculate what will be cheaper - because the cost of our labor is many times cheaper than foreign. And our gasoline is cheaper. And energy resources. At the same time, you need to understand that even with an equal cost of $ 10, it is much more profitable to produce at home (high-tech production, that is, the demand for highly skilled labor + all taxes go to the budget of the Russian Federation + decrease in unemployment). But if it is not profitable, then yes, then it is better to buy abroad. And that is not in all cases.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      What did we have in 2000? I remember it well: a lot of debt, and Chinese noodles b / n on the tables, because there was no more money for anything. For which lice would we buy equipment for import substitution in 2000?

                      I will tell you what it will be spent on oil and gas export earnings. Which today just add up to gold :))))
                      But in fact, the question is different. You are reducing all import substitution to buying equipment, which is fundamentally wrong. Initially, it was necessary to rely on our own manufacturer, and to carry out a set of measures to support it.
                      The first is to put it on an equal footing with foreign manufacturers. That is, to build our financial and banking system for production - the purpose of development is to provide cheap investment loans to enterprises. The second is to highlight the priority areas of industrial development, and support them with a well-thought-out economic policy - government orders, customs regulations, tax incentives, etc.
                      Roughly speaking, if we have some promising industries, the development of which we see in the future, we should have given them a certain grace period. Do we want aircraft construction? We set the conditions - in 25 years there should be free competition with Boeing. Under this - a state defense order, so that there is some money, a high customs duty on imported aircraft products, and benefits for airlines when purchasing domestic equipment, etc. But - immediately accept and approve that both duties and benefits will gradually decrease, that is, force enterprises to invest in their future.
                      It is also educational institutions' maintenance programs so that aviation is provided with personnel.
                      Very simplistic - but somehow so. We did everything exactly the opposite - we put the banking system ahead of production, put a bolt on the production itself, like let it compete as best it can, and if it can't, that's its problem, we'll buy it in the West.
                    8. Pavel73
                      Pavel73 27 August 2020 08: 32 New
                      0
                      So what has Putin got to do with it? We were placed in such conditions immediately after the collapse of the USSR. And right after 2000 it was impossible to move on to everything you are talking about. Imagine: after the collapse of the USSR, 10 years have passed, during which a huge part of its scientific and technical heritage was lost. The Western world has gone far ahead, and we need to learn everything anew. You mentioned civil aviation - well, let's try to create a competitive MS-21, if you have never seen or operated the A-320 in your eyes.
                    9. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 August 2020 08: 58 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      So what has Putin got to do with it? We were placed in such conditions immediately after the collapse of the USSR. And right after 2000 it was impossible to move on to everything you are talking about.

                      Just - you can. That is, it was impossible to immediately do everything that I wrote about, but it was necessary to set the specified goals and gradually strive to achieve them. And this has not been done even today. In 2000-2010, Putin set COMPLETELY DIFFERENT goals in economic policy, now, in fact, he does not set any goals at all, except for his populist messages to the federal assembly - Putin ordered, no one did anything, Putin orders something new. Moreover, his orders themselves clearly indicate that he himself does not know and does not understand how to carry out these orders.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Imagine: after the collapse of the USSR, 10 years have passed, during which a huge part of its scientific and technical heritage was lost.

                      She was much less confused than in 2010, when Putin paid at least a little attention to science and production. The first 10 years of Putin are almost the same timelessness for science and technology as the 90s.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      The Western world has gone far ahead, and we need to learn everything anew.

                      Only in some (few) areas and industries. What exactly lost skills prevented us from growing seed banks of potatoes and wheat, for example? Maybe we have forgotten how to grow tomatoes and cucumbers in the 90s? With GDP, we came to the conclusion that hardware (bolts and nuts) were purchased in China. Ours are worse? Not. Are Chinese cheaper? Not. And what do we buy in China? Who knows ... Absolutely real story, by the way, from personal experience.
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      You mentioned civil aviation - well, let's try to create a competitive MS-21, if you have never seen or operated the A-320 in your eyes.

                      Who's in the way? Buy, use, disassemble, study. Vissarionich did this very successfully. The same turbines for cruisers were bought from Italians, with their help they organized production at home, then they modernized it and off we go ...
                      Europeans, Schaub you knew, have time and money. They massively drive their new technology in experimental operation for almost decades, licking out all the design flaws from the electrics of the engine to the handle in the toilet. And we do not have such opportunities, we have designed it - and in a series. A lot of things happen not because we don't know how to create equipment, but because we don't have the opportunity to spend as much money and time on its creation as our competitors.
                      In some cases, it was possible to buy licenses for the production of imported equipment, followed by localization from us, as the Indians are trying to do today.
                      I'm already tired of repeating this example - at GPV 2011-2020 for corvettes, frigates and helicopters, engines were to be supplied by Ukraine and Germany. The sanctions came - they managed to do it at home. Who prevented the BEFORE the sanctions from doing the same? There is effective demand. Skills are. The benefits are undoubted, these are not just high, these are the highest technologies, new jobs, the demand for highly qualified specialists. taxes to the treasury! The only obstacle was the economic policy of the state, which was deeply violet where to buy - from its producers or abroad.
                    10. Pavel73
                      Pavel73 27 August 2020 11: 34 New
                      0
                      Before the sanctions, the high cost of setting up production at home hindered. It is always cheaper to buy ready-made motors abroad than to create a production of similar motors at home. After all, the world is globalizing not because someone wants it, but because it is a natural process. I myself am a domestic manufacturer. And of course I want the orders to go to me, not abroad. But if I myself see that it is much cheaper in China, then what claims can I have against the state? A good manufacturer doesn't need support. Or rather, a bad manufacturer does not deserve support. Even a manufacturer of hardware, bolts and nuts. It is not enough to be able to do them. You also need to be able to follow the market, anticipate demand, expand the range and dealer network. We were not able to do any of this in the 90s, and even more so in Soviet times. Yes, here's the freshest example, my headache is microcircuits. I would gladly buy domestic ones. If only our manufacturers knew how to sell them! If ours had the same dealer networks as foreign manufacturers. If only ours freely laid out all the comprehensive information about their products, as foreign manufacturers. If only ours always had stocks like foreign manufacturers. And they would be delivered tomorrow, not six months later. Worry, wrinkle, spit and buy an Analog Devices opamp. Because he is, and everything is about him, and it is written humanly, albeit in English. Is Putin also to blame? No, it's your own fault. You need to learn how people do. And this will take years. Years of real experience. Since 2000 we have been recruiting it.
                    11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 August 2020 12: 10 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Is Putin also to blame?

                      Who else
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      A good manufacturer doesn't need support. Or rather, a bad manufacturer does not deserve support.

                      Yes, yes, the invisible hand of the market will put everything in its place ... Isn't it funny for yourself? :)))
                      There is such a concept - competition. It implies that UNDER OTHER EQUAL CONDITIONS, the winner will be the company that gives the buyer the best possible offer. It will receive the order and profit from its execution, while others will not. Accordingly, the strongest will survive.
                      This is all right. But in order to compete with foreign industry, our enterprises need to be in the SAME CONDITIONS as foreigners. And this was not even close. Foreigners have been digging their plots for decades or even centuries, in our country, in the USSR, enterprises had a different development paradigm in principle, and then the blow of the 90s, from which the companies got out with huge losses and a bunch of debts.
                      Foreigners have enormous opportunities to attract borrowed capital for investment and turnover - developed stock markets, stock exchanges, and the banking system. In our country, the concept of an investment loan appeared closer to 2008 - before that it theoretically existed, but in practice it was impossible to get it. That is, a domestic industrialist could receive several times less resources for development, but he had to pay for this multiple times more than a foreign one. At the same time, the material base of our industry was basically inferior to the western one.
                      So the policy I described was needed in order to level the positions of domestic and foreign manufacturers and give them the opportunity to compete in, if not on equal terms, then at least in relatively comparable conditions.
                      Putin, in full accordance with your precepts, has hammered a bolt on the industry - let them get out as they want. But now I suddenly remembered about import substitution :)))))
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      Before the sanctions, the high cost of setting up production at home hindered.

                      Before the sanctions, our products in the bulk were cheaper than foreign ones, but lost in quality
                    12. Pavel73
                      Pavel73 27 August 2020 14: 19 New
                      0
                      So it's the same thing! Cheaper than a foreign one with worse quality, or more expensive than a foreign one with the same quality. And before creating relatively comparable conditions for the competition of our producers with foreign ones, we must first understand which of them specifically needs to create such conditions, and who is useless. From whom will make sense, and from whom nothing will work, no matter how hard you drive. Rescuing drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves Some are floundering, and some are not even trying. And the invisible hand of the market will show who it makes sense to help, and who to the morgue means to the morgue. Something like a survival exam for astronauts. And the market showed it. For example, in our city a meat processing plant was closed. Outdated equipment, unsanitary conditions and stink for several blocks.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 August 2020 02: 34 New
    +1
    And I had never voted for him before, but I voted for the amendment, in spite of the local liberal gang.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2020 08: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Incvizitor
      but voted for the amendment, in spite of the local liberal gang.

      The "gang" is funny, because your vote absolutely nothing changes
  • Hagen
    Hagen 26 August 2020 08: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In fact, the main complaint against Putin is the deteriorating quality of life over the past decade.

    Name a leader who would meet the expectations of the population in the quality of life? The main complaint against Putin comes from the "partners", but the voice acting passes through the languages ​​of the paid "non-systemic opposition". The economic crisis, aggravated by the pandemic, has bent almost all the leading economies of the world, and only against Putin the bulk of claims! I agree that the President's domestic policy does not shine with "breakthroughs." I think, from excessive humanity and liberality towards the population. After all, one has only to revive the responsibility for parasitism, as it turns out that we do not really need guest workers, and the introduction of directions after the university will improve the situation with specialists in the regions. But only everyone who today criticizes Putin for a sluggish domestic policy will begin to criticize him for increasing the state's pressure on a "free person." Moans and snot will be no less, as if not more than today. It's just that most critics lack the mental ability to assess the impact on them of the measures that are being achieved. And then, no one canceled the formula "criticizing, offer" as an indicator of a productive position. It is useless to listen to those who cannot "give birth" to a sound idea. In addition to personal
    registration of active persons capable of becoming an enemy of the state in the future Moreover, I hope that the state is smart enough to actively expand "operational positions" in the camp of "non-systemists" during lazy suspended animation, so that by the time of activation it has an effective working agent to stop them.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 August 2020 11: 11 New
    -1
    Many Polish flags are visible at the rallies. That is, the Poles decided that it was time to dictate their conditions in this region, that is, in fact, on the ground, where Russian interests are all around. That is, this is an indicator of the toothlessness of not only Batka, but also of the Kremlin, since they allowed the Poles to get into this and warm up the situation from the inside.
    I have said a lot and for a long time that there is absolutely no political will in our ruling circles, which was shown first by the Maidan in Kiev, and now in Belarus. The game then goes ON OUR EARTH.
    1. Platon
      Platon 25 August 2020 11: 36 New
      +1
      There are no Polish flags at all at the rallies. The white-red-white flag is similar to the Polish one, but it is not
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 August 2020 12: 01 New
        +1
        There are no Polish flags at all at the rallies. The white-red-white flag is similar to the Polish one, but it is not

        This is a rally in Grodno, do you recognize the flag? )))
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 August 2020 12: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          This is a rally in Grodno

          If there are similar rallies in Russia, I think that enough Estonian flags will appear in the Pechora region.
          1. lucul
            lucul 25 August 2020 12: 42 New
            -3
            If there are similar rallies in Russia, I think that enough Estonian flags will appear in the Pechora region.

            In my opinion, this whole situation reminds of Shakespeare, in the sense of the Venice merchant, that scene when the servant tells the Jew that he is leaving him for another master. To the question why? He gives the answer that for that master, all the servants wear multi-colored clothes, and he walks in monophonic ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 25 August 2020 12: 57 New
              +1
              This servant has long since put on colorful clothes.
              That in Grodno they give out cards of the Poles, that in Pechory at one time they gave out Estonian passports to everyone.
        2. pro100y.belarus
          pro100y.belarus 25 August 2020 18: 41 New
          -5
          Quote: lucul
          This is a rally in Grodno, do you recognize the flag? )))

          I will not say whether I was at this meeting or not, I will only say that I myself am from Grodno.
          Every such event has a "Chihari". "Tihar" is a local slang for an employee of the KGB or the Ministry of Internal Affairs in civilian clothes. Such a "Chihar" stands in the crowd and waits for the filming to be ready and raises the flag from the camera angle. The flag can be any - Poland, Lithuania, the European Union, the USA or Russia. It all depends on who ordered the provocation.
          The surrounding people ask to remove this flag, "Chihar" removes the flag and disappears. But the job has already been done. Shooting completed.
          Do not get fooled by provocations (unless you are just one of them).
          Which I have no doubt about.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 25 August 2020 11: 38 New
      -2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Many Polish flags are visible at the rallies. That is, the Poles decided that it was time to dictate their conditions in this region, that is, in fact, on the ground, where Russian interests are all around. That is, this is an indicator of the toothlessness of not only Batka, but also of the Kremlin, since they allowed the Poles to get into this and warm up the situation from the inside.
      I have said a lot and for a long time that there is absolutely no political will in our ruling circles, which was shown first by the Maidan in Kiev, and now in Belarus. The game then goes ON OUR EARTH.

      About how!
      ,, we will share for a long time
      Yana's own and enemies ... "
      In Chechnya, tell them that your land is there ...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 25 August 2020 12: 35 New
        -3
        In Chechnya, Russian troops, Russian border guards guard the border with Georgia, there is an FSB department for the republic, prosecutors and judges are appointed by the President of the Russian Federation, the payment unit is the Russian ruble, schoolchildren and students study according to Russian programs, the elderly receive a pension from the Russian Pension Fund. The population of Chechnya participates in the elections of the President and the State Duma of the Russian Federation. A significant part of Chechens permanently reside in other constituent entities of the Russian Federation. What land? Russian and at the same time Chechen, as the main area of ​​residence of the Chechen ethnos. None of the Chechen acquaintances denied this.
  • Vend
    Vend 25 August 2020 11: 20 New
    +5
    How many "tears" were shed, including ours, over the huge number of detainees in the first days!
    I didn't shed tears. Lukashenka did the right thing, saved the country, gave it a good shot w = the corrupt opposition
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 25 August 2020 12: 36 New
      -1
      I agree with you, but you still need to change him to a younger and smarter one.
      1. Vend
        Vend 25 August 2020 12: 59 New
        -1
        Quote: Pessimist22
        I agree with you, but you still need to change him to a younger and smarter one.

        Not always young is smart)) so no one is against it, no one bothers to raise such a leader in Belarus who would think about his country, and not about what Western curators will say there))
      2. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 25 August 2020 13: 09 New
        -4
        Quote: Pessimist22
        I agree with you, but you still need to change him to a younger and smarter one.

        One young man was already running around with a gun, whether smart or not ...
    2. Revival
      Revival 25 August 2020 12: 53 New
      +1
      Lukashenka was unlucky with the people, 50% foreign agents, eeeeehh
  • svp67
    svp67 25 August 2020 11: 27 New
    +2
    Already today we can say with confidence that among the detainees, it must be admitted, and the innocent too, there were those same militants who were preparing for military actions.
    "The forest is being cut, the chips are flying ..." But there were a lot of "chips", too many ...
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 25 August 2020 13: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: svp67
      Already today we can say with confidence that among the detainees, it must be admitted, and the innocent too, there were those same militants who were preparing for military actions.
      "The forest is being cut, the chips are flying ..." But there were a lot of "chips", too many ...

      And how much will be?
  • denplot
    denplot 25 August 2020 11: 27 New
    +6
    It is likely that a significant part of people in Belarus are really tired of Lukashenka. Tired of his authoritarianism, severity, uniqueness or something, tired of being multi-vector, but really considering his regime a "bloody junta" is stupidity. They have not seen the junta, thank God. He retained power and this is good, I think in the future it will be gently transformed and transferred to a pro-Russian successor. And then we'll see. The best scenario is unification into a single state with Russia!
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 25 August 2020 11: 54 New
      -4
      Some of us believe that they live in a fascist state, so they should look at the "bloody junta". "The best scenario is unification into a single state with Russia!" - your life in many things is not better, alas.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 25 August 2020 13: 14 New
        -3
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        Some of us believe that they live in a fascist state, so they should look at the "bloody junta". "The best scenario is unification into a single state with Russia!" - your life in many things is not better, alas.

        According to the "best scenario" I do not want Red Tolyan to plant his voucher for the tonsils in me. Or do you already drive a GAZ24-10? Did he promise all the "dear Russians" or is it a fake "broken by Poland"?
        1. denplot
          denplot 25 August 2020 13: 59 New
          +2
          No, the voucher is not "a fake shredded from Poland", we still slurp these consequences. But tell me that the West will plant up to the tonsils? A happy, well-fed, light democracy?
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 25 August 2020 12: 06 New
      0
      Quote: denplot
      It is likely that a significant part of people in Belarus are really tired of Lukashenka. Tired of his authoritarianism, severity, uniqueness or something, tired of being multi-vector, but really considering his regime a "bloody junta" is stupidity. They have not seen the junta, thank God. He retained power and this is good, I think in the future it will be gently transformed and transferred to a pro-Russian successor. And then we'll see. The best scenario is unification into a single state with Russia!

      Answer me why? I just can't understand - bourgeois on my left, bourgeois on my right, north / south and bourgeois again ...
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 25 August 2020 12: 46 New
      0
      Tired, probably, of the collective farm management style, not designed for educated people.
  • Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich 25 August 2020 11: 39 New
    -1
    I propose to involve all identified and detained foreigners under the article preparation and participation in a mutiny, coup d'etat or as it is correctly formulated in the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus. After the trial and the unification of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, the execution of the sentence will be on the territory of Russia, in a colony together with Paul Whelan. Together they will have more fun to cut down the forest or sew mittens :-)
    1. Russia without ...
      Russia without ... 25 August 2020 11: 56 New
      +2
      You say everything correctly ..
      Fly to Minsk to identify and delay, do not delay
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 August 2020 12: 03 New
        -4
        You say everything correctly ..
        Fly to Minsk to identify and delay, do not delay

        Minsk is still coping with itself - there is a God-chosen groan on Akrestsin Street.
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 25 August 2020 15: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: lucul
          You say everything correctly ..
          Fly to Minsk to identify and delay, do not delay

          Minsk is still coping with itself - there is a God-chosen groan on Akrestsin Street.

          you do not need to renounce prison and money.
        2. pro100y.belarus
          pro100y.belarus 25 August 2020 18: 53 New
          -3
          Quote: lucul
          You say everything correctly ..
          Fly to Minsk to identify and delay, do not delay

          Minsk is still coping with itself - there is a God-chosen groan on Akrestsin Street.

          You should meet those who moaned and their relatives.
          I think - not only would they moan, they would not have time to utter a word.
          And by the way, more than a hundred people are still considered missing. The authorities say these people probably went abroad.
          How! We went out for a walk on 9.08.20/XNUMX/XNUMX ... and suddenly it dawned on me - why not wave over the cordon?
          The issue from Akrestsin Street is NOT CLOSED. I do not advise joking on this topic.
      2. Adam Khomich
        Adam Khomich 25 August 2020 12: 05 New
        -3
        Quote: Russia without ...
        identify and delay, don't delay

        There, and without me, there are enough competent people in the KGB to catch and transplant these punks. 46 violent leaders in tattoos were packed and no one squeals because they are afraid to get dirty. The investigation will show who did what and the number of accused will increase.
  • iouris
    iouris 25 August 2020 11: 53 New
    0
    Most likely, the "Polish special services" do not work separately from the higher-ranking special services overseeing them, which work on a much larger scale, and their goals are "lofty". The author said nothing about this. It was a distraction operation.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 25 August 2020 11: 54 New
    -4
    Lukashenka and Putin have nothing in common, Lukashenka is a socialist, he does not fit into the West or the East with his socialism,
    But in Belarus, ordinary people, hard workers live much better than Russia and even much better than in Poland, and this must be recognized
    and Putin is a liberal, he created around himself a system of oligarchs who own about 70% of Russia's assets that bring them huge revenues and not the country's budget
    And as for me, Putin may be in power at least his whole life, but he has to do something with these "would-be businessmen"
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 25 August 2020 14: 49 New
      -2
      This is exactly Putin's problem.
      He believes that it was the people who chose capitalism, or it is more convenient for him to think so. 24 years are just around the corner and we can see perfectly what maydanutye are capable of.
      So Putin still has time, to fix something in the Philharmonic, it is stupid to rely on the strength and the consciousness of citizens, both of which can fail ... And God himself told the oligarchs ... they will hand over their mother too.
    2. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 25 August 2020 18: 58 New
      0
      Quote: vavilon
      But in Belarus, ordinary people, hard workers live much better than Russia and even much better than in Poland, and this must be recognized

      Uh-huh. They live so well that they go there to work.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 26 August 2020 09: 00 New
        0
        Imagine what is driving.
        And compare any Belarusian village in the outback and any Russian and then clown about
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 26 August 2020 09: 14 New
          +1
          And what is there to compare? Only those villages where there are large agricultural enterprises and agro-towns feel good. A little further and you will see complete desolation. There is one granny in a dozen houses.
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 26 August 2020 11: 41 New
            0
            It is precisely in Belarus that you are unlikely to find a desolate village, all collective farms are working and the rural population is employed locally.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 26 August 2020 11: 45 New
              0
              Forgive me, but I wrote about the Belarusian villages.
            2. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 12: 23 New
              0
              , go to Krupsky district, look at grace
              1. vavilon
                vavilon 26 August 2020 19: 12 New
                +1
                In any country, even in the most developed capitalist country, there is a village, poor and abandoned, but this is not massive
  • Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich 25 August 2020 11: 55 New
    +2
    Defensive for soap :-)
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 August 2020 11: 56 New
    -1
    "The Poles do not hide that they expect to take the place of Russia in Belarus ..." (c) Will there be enough pennies? Poles, as usual, try to carry away as much as they cannot lift.
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  • Lumpen
    Lumpen 25 August 2020 12: 05 New
    0
    I'll insert my three kopecks
    If Lukashenka continues to "tighten the screws", that is, arrests, dismissals, summons for interrogations, he will get the opposite result.
    At the moment, the government loses primarily in information policy.
    Not a clever reason to send troops to Minsk (the police can't cope), arriving at the palace with a machine gun and an armed son (doesn't even trust the guards) after the protesters have left, shooting balloons (Lukashenka's PR people must be "executed") laughing , creates a negative image and picture
    at least if not a "crazy senile and paranoid", then a man "not far-off trying with all his might to stay in power"
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 25 August 2020 12: 10 New
      -1
      By the way, they began to create an "image" of Latushko as a likely candidate from the opposition
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 25 August 2020 14: 51 New
        -1
        It is clear that the Tikhanovskaya doll did not pull, it turned out to be rather weak on the front end. Interestingly, Melnikova is the same?
        1. Lumpen
          Lumpen 25 August 2020 15: 02 New
          0
          Do not forget that Belarus is patriarchal, in a good sense of the word, a country and I think that the next president will also be a man laughing
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 25 August 2020 15: 33 New
            +1
            And this is good, otherwise fagots, homosexuals, lesbians, inter-sex bio-aggregates and other tollerastic shoots are very tiring ...
            1. Lumpen
              Lumpen 25 August 2020 16: 08 New
              0
              I support! As we say: - and ne kazhy kuma I myself love the military (meaning expression of support, Russian transcription) laughing
    2. solzh
      solzh 1 September 2020 23: 18 New
      22
      Quote: Lumpen
      At the moment, the government is losing

      At the moment, the pro-Western opposition has already lost to the people of Belarus yes
  • fiberboard
    fiberboard 25 August 2020 12: 07 New
    +5
    To take the place of Russia. They will never succeed in taking the place of Russia. They have a firm place in history. Churchill told them about this. Nothing but to sow confusion, set peoples against each other, beg from the stronger, take away from the weaker, they cannot betray. This is me about the Polish elite, their authorities.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 25 August 2020 12: 08 New
    +2
    The article is a lie from the title to the last paragraph.
    There were practically no harsh actions from the protesters. Excesses can be counted on one hand. Opposition leaders spoke openly about the need to refrain from escalating the conflict.

    Staver, Kharaluzhny, Samsonov- shame of VO
    1. lucul
      lucul 25 August 2020 12: 31 New
      -3
      The article is a lie from the title to the last paragraph.
      There were practically no harsh actions from the protesters.

      Yeah, and the riot police were not hit by cars, right? ))))
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 25 August 2020 12: 40 New
        -1
        Learn to read
        Excesses can be counted on one hand

        And no, they didn’t hit us with CARS. ONE car on August 11
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 August 2020 12: 45 New
          -4
          And no, they didn’t hit us with CARS. ONE car on August 11

          Do not write from Bydgoszcz by chance? )))
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 25 August 2020 12: 48 New
            +2
            From Washington. The State Department money will not earn itself.
            The pseudo-loyalists are all the same. Like chicken eggs
          2. Revival
            Revival 25 August 2020 13: 33 New
            -1
            So how many times were cars hit?
            1. lucul
              lucul 25 August 2020 13: 36 New
              0
              So how many times were cars hit?

              That is, according to your logic, if you kill a person once, this does not count, but if tens, hundreds, then yes, it counts, right?
              1. Revival
                Revival 25 August 2020 13: 42 New
                0
                I will repeat myself then.
                So if there is one case, then it is already trouble, so in your opinion. Good.
                We proceed from the fact that you are not taking a hypocritical position, that is, everyone is equal and a crime is a crime.

                Then, once again: For beatings without a reason, what else to do with them, having no other means and knowing that no one will be punished? To understand and forgive or do you have the right to resist?
                1. lucul
                  lucul 25 August 2020 13: 53 New
                  -3
                  Then, once again: For beatings without a reason, what else to do with them, having no other means and knowing that no one will be punished? To understand and forgive or do you have the right to resist?

                  No need to twist innocent sheep.
                  Cops have the right to detain any citizen for 3 days, until the identity is clarified, isn't that so? And if a citizen is also actively opposed to detention, then he can simply be shot, as recently in the same USA, or in other countries.
                  Here is an example of a "peaceful" crowd on July 14th.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 25 August 2020 13: 57 New
                    +2
                    Not everyone!
                    Only if you do not have documents with you!
                    Running up in a crowd and starting to beat them right off the bat is not to ask documents for identification.
                    Being on the street is not in itself a violation, especially if any of the special regimes has not been introduced in the country. And martial law and curfew were not imposed
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 25 August 2020 14: 00 New
                      -3
                      Not everyone!
                      Only if you do not have documents with you!

                      Have you heard about fake documents? The authenticity of the documents can be confirmed by an expert. For this, the cops have 3 days to make sure that the person is innocent. These are the basic basics that everyone should know.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 25 August 2020 14: 13 New
                        +2
                        Do not twist yourself so stupidly.
                        What fake documents, what expert !?
                        There is no such thing in the law.
                        Then, after checking by an expert, it will be established that there was no reason and this arbitrariness, such an employee will have to be involved.
                        Was it about the reason for the detention?
                        What are the reasons to believe that the document is fake !?
                        Here is each default fake document.
                      2. lucul
                        lucul 25 August 2020 14: 22 New
                        0
                        Do not twist yourself so stupidly.
                        What fake documents, what expert !?
                        There is no such thing in the law.
                        Then, after checking by an expert, it will be established that there was no reason and this arbitrariness, such an employee will have to be involved.

                        Circus, go and ask any cop for what you can be detained))))
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 25 August 2020 14: 36 New
                        +1
                        Why should I ask the cop if I can read the law that he is obliged to follow
                      4. lucul
                        lucul 25 August 2020 14: 40 New
                        0
                        Why should I ask the cop if I can read the law that he is obliged to follow

                        Then ask any lawyer how many subparagraphs of additions there are in any law, and which you just won't read))))
                      5. Revival
                        Revival 25 August 2020 14: 52 New
                        +2
                        For information, the unpublished law is not valid.
                        Therefore, I can read the law permitted for application.
                        Various departmental additions cannot contradict the published law and are illegal.
                        The exception is the methods of operational search actions, but not the principles and general norms.
                        For example, if the Ministry of Internal Affairs issues an internal order that it is possible to approach anyone and shoot, then I will not be able to read it, but it will be illegal and criminal, and the employee executing it will also immediately become a criminal.
                        So you're past again ..
                      6. lucul
                        lucul 25 August 2020 14: 54 New
                        -3
                        So you're past again ..

                        Climbed into verbiage? )))
                        For example, if the Ministry of Internal Affairs issues an internal order that it is possible to approach anyone and shoot, then I will not be able to read it, but it will be illegal and criminal, and the employee executing it will also immediately become a criminal.

                        It was about simple detention, and you already have about murder)))
        2. Revival
          Revival 25 August 2020 14: 00 New
          +1
          Yes, for a long time and a lot they talked about how demonstrators in the United States would be shot for a sidelong glance ..
          And then once the vile Americans let our propagandists down, the violent rallies, but they do not shoot, and they are still on their knees, this is how the propagandists live now ...
          We let you down ...
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 25 August 2020 19: 10 New
            +3
            I wonder how you will quote the law with a club in one place?
            1. Revival
              Revival 25 August 2020 19: 20 New
              -2
              What a strange question you have.
              And how is it difficult?
  • Engineer
    Engineer 25 August 2020 13: 52 New
    +2
    I need to correct myself.
    There were 2 arrivals. Both from 10 to 11 August
    Several victims. No fatalities
    1. Revival
      Revival 25 August 2020 13: 53 New
      -2
      Well then, we recognize it as a mass phenomenon, straightforward as a constant tactic, the security forces almost ran out
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 25 August 2020 13: 57 New
        -2
        Yes, the bloody Belarusian junta has stained itself with many serious crimes.
        2 hits, three Molotov cocktails. The fingers on one hand are over, but they are not appeased.
        How long?
    2. lucul
      lucul 25 August 2020 14: 01 New
      -3
      I need to correct myself.
      There were 2 arrivals. Both from 10 to 11 August
      Several victims. No fatalities

      On August 9-10, the cops behaved peacefully, they began to use force precisely after the car hit.
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 25 August 2020 14: 12 New
        0
        Lies
        Here is infa for 2 hours on August 10
        https://iz.ru/1046300/video/v-belorussii-v-noch-protesta-zaderzhany-3-tys-chelovek
        In Belarus, 3 thousand people were detained overnight. The data was provided to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus; in total, the protests affected 33 settlements. In some cities, security forces used gas and noise grenades. Local media, citing law enforcement agencies, reported 39 injured police officers and 50 civilians.
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 August 2020 14: 15 New
          0
          Lies
          Here is infa for 2 hours on August 10
          https://iz.ru/1046300/video/v-belorussii-v-noch-protesta-zaderzhany-3-tys-chelovek

          Lies with you - they were detained without the use of force, after they began to shoot down a car, they were detained with the use of force.
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 25 August 2020 14: 21 New
            -2
            Gas, noise grenades, dozens of victims without the use of force?
            The dialogue is over.
            1. lucul
              lucul 25 August 2020 14: 24 New
              +1
              Gas, noise grenades, dozens of victims without the use of force?
              The dialogue is over.

              Aha-ahah laughter. When the riot police blocked the street, and the crowd rushes at them and does not stop - that is, in fact, an attack on an employee during execution.
            2. Revival
              Revival 25 August 2020 14: 44 New
              -2
              Still, somehow poorly you do it.
              Constantly back down:
              then everyone was crushed by cars, then 2 times in total, then the cops behaved peacefully until the vehicle raids and detained gently, but after the raids, the vehicle began to be detained harshly, then they were detained harshly and before the crashes, but then when the crowd was on them ...
              Hmm ... to what extent do you have to back away ...
            3. lucul
              lucul 25 August 2020 14: 48 New
              -1
              Still, somehow poorly you do it.
              Constantly back down:
              then they crushed everyone by cars, then 2 times in total, then the cops behaved peacefully until the vehicle raids, then they detained them but gently, but after the raids, they began to detain the vehicle harshly, then they detained them harshly and before the crashes, but then when the crowd was on them ... ...
              Hmm ... to what extent do you have to back away ...

              Dear, I don't need to back away)))
              The protest has already fizzled out))))
              If from August 9 to 24, inclusive, there was a wild pumping of protest on TUT.BY, there was 95% of information related only to protests, but today, August 25, this information is no more than 60%.
              That's the whole story. No matter how you puff up there, you lost))))
            4. Revival
              Revival 25 August 2020 14: 54 New
              +1
              What is there with the protest does not really bother me, I wrote that personally you, as a debater in the comments, are weak and all your arguments were profiled and leaked
            5. lucul
              lucul 25 August 2020 14: 58 New
              -3
              What is there with the protest does not really bother me, I wrote that personally you, as a debater in the comments, are weak and all your arguments were profiled and leaked

              I know this old female trick - to turn everything upside down)))
              At first they argued that the protest was exclusively peaceful, and when you were told that it was not peaceful, and the riot police were hit by cars and there were direct cases of attack, you immediately told me:
              that you personally, as a debater in the comments, are weak and all your arguments have been profiled and leaked

              ))))
            6. pro100y.belarus
              pro100y.belarus 25 August 2020 19: 05 New
              -2
              Quote: lucul
              I know this old female trick - to turn everything upside down)))

              I have no doubts.
              However, you work poorly. Without a spark, unconvincing. The prize will not be given.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 25 August 2020 14: 56 New
    +2
    That is, one car is possible? Can't you two? Uncle, who are you treating here?
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 25 August 2020 16: 05 New
      -2
      You have problems reading comprehension.
      We don't need one if we want to stay within the bounds of legality.
      But it is not necessary to pass off individual excesses as supposedly typical cases. ...
      The protest is generally peaceful and civilized. Any screams about the new Maidan and attempts to forcefully overthrow the government are false cries
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 25 August 2020 21: 29 New
        +3
        Where does this awareness and confidence come from?
        Whistle is your propaganda,
        If the opposition was peaceful, Omon would not have to be soared.
        Here the power of Belarus has tried to grudge and immediately your opposition has become peaceful.
  • Revival
    Revival 25 August 2020 12: 59 New
    +2
    How many cases are there? One, two, three for the whole country all the time?
    For beatings for no reason, what else to do with them, having no other means? To understand and to forgive?
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 25 August 2020 15: 08 New
      -2
      Beating for no reason is your undocumented point of view, or rather not even yours, but a fake of the opposition. There is a provocation behind any forceful response.
      1. Revival
        Revival 25 August 2020 18: 12 New
        -2
        Yes, I saw such categorical logic, the silovik is holy and always right, he only responds.
        And for some reason the court is judging law enforcement officers (former) in the Golunov case ...
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 25 August 2020 21: 43 New
          +3
          Don't heap everything ...
      2. Revival
        Revival 25 August 2020 18: 24 New
        -2
        Well, you will go far in strained attempts to justify the unjustified!

        Here, for example, is a photo with fascist punishers, a torch in hand, and so on.
        According to your logic, if I argued at the time that this was a crime, then you would ardently object, no, they say, these are just my undocumented speculations, this is in response to an inhuman provocation, etc. on the list.

        So I'm talking about the photo!
        And now the video is complete.
        Yes, and it would be okay to rush with one video, one could say that it is a production, but there are almost thousands of them!

        And, for example, shooting on balconies in response to outraged shouts is that provocation worthy of shooting, so according to the law you need to react? Is this under the law?

        And if a plastic cup is thrown, then in general from a helicopter to work out nourses?
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 25 August 2020 21: 59 New
          +2
          I am more concerned about photo and video sources. I would put it mildly, there is no trust in them.
          Therefore, your conclusions do not inspire confidence.
          For example, I know how "militants" shit and then dissolve in the crowd, carousels from cars supposedly supporting opps with signals, and not a single performance for the glory of democracy can do without paid opps.
          A good performance, in which the truth meets moments of real facts, you can't build everything on total lies?
          And I don't even want to talk about the Internet sources that lead and coordinate the "peaceful", "leaderless" protest.
          And the school of political studies also came to the court, as always ...
          A knowledgeable person will be horrified by how much money and effort have been invested in this last battle for "democracy", but this does not threaten you, you hawala everything that the fighters for freedom and democracy around the world will not scold you from their generosity.
          1. Revival
            Revival 25 August 2020 22: 18 New
            -2
            "For example, I know how" militants "shit and then dissolve in the crowd."
            AND...?
            That then the Belarusian riot police can beat the crowd of those not involved in the provocation from impotence to catch the lawyer?
            No, the work is so difficult (no one forced it), take it and figure it out, catch the lawyer, otherwise what is the point of keeping the helpless law enforcers all their lives, who are powerless to catch the lawyer, and knowing this, they come off in a crowd of uninvolved, playing like slaves, according to the scenario of the same editor
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 25 August 2020 23: 02 New
              +2
              You don’t understand, the provocateur (organizer) usually does not light up, but the militants work from both sides and quickly dissolve, mixing in the crowd.
              The crowd does not understand, while these people are constantly monitoring the situation.
              What is usually shown as the "atrocities" of the riot police is a reaction to a provocation, naturally those who brew and the trail is gone, the crowd gets on their brains and went in bulk, they say we were peacefully stomping, and we ...
              Here is a Ukrainian hundred illustrative example when "rams" are used in rocking the situation.
              1. Revival
                Revival 25 August 2020 23: 54 New
                -3
                You probably didn't read my comment.
                Naturally, he does not shine and does not even surrender himself to the hands of law enforcement officers.
                And now what?
                I repeat!
                That then the Belarusian riot police can beat the crowd of those not involved in the provocation from impotence to catch the lawyer?
                Let me emphasize!
                No, the work is so difficult !!! from the law enforcement officers (no one forced them), take and calculate, catch the lawyer (who, well, he must not give up himself), otherwise what is the point of keeping the helpless law enforcers all their lives, who are powerless to catch the lawyer, and knowing this, they come off in a crowd of innocent, playing like slaves , according to the script of the same editor!

                An example of a situation is simpler, but still:
                The thief who committed the theft also tries to do it without leaving a trace and himself does not surrender to the security forces (that's a bastard), do you propose to put people just noticed at the place of the perfect theft?
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 26 August 2020 08: 59 New
                  +1
                  Is your approach strange? You talk all the time about the responsibility of the OMON and the authorities. And keep silent about the responsibility of the crowd and the person deciding to take part in the manifestation?
                  He should not think and be responsible for where, what, how and with whom he is going to do?
                  It turns out that you advocate total paternalism, but in this case people should not go where the authorities forbid them to go.
  • truck driver
    truck driver 25 August 2020 13: 07 New
    0
    And by the way, the author - NEXTA - reads like NEXTA, from the English word - Next - the next one, it's time in the age of information technologies to start being able to use at least Google translate ...
    1. Revival
      Revival 25 August 2020 22: 19 New
      -3
      And he is in our own way, in a simple way, in a bow ...)))
    2. solzh
      solzh 1 September 2020 23: 23 New
      24
      Quote: LKW Fahrer
      And by the way, the author - NEXTA - reads like NEXTA

      There is nothing more to find fault with? wink
      The trash heap is a trash heap, don't read the name.
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 25 August 2020 13: 18 New
    -3
    Shame !!! Shame on Russian TV men !!! TWO Molotov cocktails, this is a pogrom !!!
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    3. brat07
      brat07 26 August 2020 04: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Skalendarka
      Shame !!! Shame on Russian TV men !!!
      TWO Molotov cocktails, this is a pogrom !!!

      Tolley will still be - oh-oh-oh!
      Today I reviewed the events in Ukraine again ...
      But for some reason it did not grow together in Belarus!
      Why dont know.
      Apparently there was not enough money.
      1. solzh
        solzh 1 September 2020 23: 25 New
        25
        Quote: brat07
        But for some reason it did not grow together in Belarus!

        The people are not like that there. For some reason, the people of Belarus do not support pro-Western oppositionists wink
  • Campanella
    Campanella 25 August 2020 14: 54 New
    -1
    Opposition leaders are liars! Today one thing, tomorrow another. So only frankly naive people can believe them.
    And about the shame you are very excited. I don't see something in your face of conscience IN, from a word at all.
    1. Revival
      Revival 25 August 2020 22: 22 New
      -2
      And that in order to observe someone's shame, it is necessary, at least, to be the conscience of the whole Earth?
      With your approach, the concept of shame should practically disappear from everyday life, there are not enough saints on Earth to state any shame
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 26 August 2020 08: 51 New
        0
        Shame is an objective concept.
        And some on VO prefer to generalize by appealing with unreliable data, passing them off as truth.
        While making far-reaching statements. This is the manipulation of consciousness.
        I don't see any serious reasons for the opposition's uprising, but I see a desire to change the government!
        In order to please the question, all their good desires are water on jelly.
        For centuries peoples have been fighting for all different against all different, the result has not yet been achieved and will not be achieved.
        Because fighting is part of life, is it worth arranging bloody showdowns with such a result?
        Maybe it’s better to switch to calmer forms of development?
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 25 August 2020 19: 08 New
    0
    And look at the mirror, and then hang up the labels, where will you be from?
  • fn34440
    fn34440 25 August 2020 12: 10 New
    +3
    Belarus is now being shaken not only for the sake of "Lukashenka go away!" hunting. It also has its own "local interest", especially in Warsaw, which under the guise of "instability" in a neighboring country "sharpens its teeth" on a number of territories of present-day Belarus, which it considers "lost". Until 1939, the then Bialystok, Brest, Baranovich, Vileika and Pinsk regions "went" under Poland - almost half of the country. First of all, considering for "return" the present Grodno and Brest regions (Bialystok and so went to Poland in 1944).
    This is where the CINDER Podlian interest of the corrupt Poles lies.
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 August 2020 14: 26 New
      0
      They will stubbornly bend their line and cannot relax ...
    2. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 25 August 2020 19: 15 New
      -4
      Quote: fn34440
      Belarus is being shaken now

      In how.
      They've been waiting for something ...
      "Loose" Sasha. And the rest helpfully help. At both sides.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 August 2020 12: 16 New
    +5
    What is the question then?
    AHL himself created the SITUATION, which was used by all and sundry! NOT LAZY. It turned out that neighbors who want to, want to stir up to their advantage, but they have so-so mutilka, therefore the result is so-so.
    The bottom line for any IS!
    If for many, before that, the AHL was simply tired, now everything has moved to another level, EVERYTHING HAS GOT WORSE, SERIOUS and the events ahead are not the most joyful ones, for many!
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 August 2020 14: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757

      If for many, before that, the AHL was simply tired, now everything has moved to another level, EVERYTHING HAS GOT WORSE, SERIOUS and the events ahead are not the most joyful ones, for many!


      Let them figure it out, the situation is already dead end ... Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 August 2020 14: 30 New
        +2
        Welcome soldier
        The situation is dead end, on both sides!
        They will not listen to advice, for sure, either from one side or the other.
        Now there are battles in social networks that are about nothing, no one needs ...
        The strangest thing is that the situation is standard and has a completely real, adequate solution, which will give the greatest result without catastrophic losses for anyone !!!
        Nope, as always, no one wants to look in the right direction, read the TEXTBOOKS and do everything right !!!
        Madhouse on the road.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 August 2020 14: 32 New
          +1
          That's just the point, they again begin to accuse Russia that she had to do something ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 August 2020 14: 47 New
            +2
            Ha, and good advice, in our time, it's absolutely nothing ???
            However, we also have our own madhouse, fortunately local, affecting few people in a serious way ... but it is there and it should not be allowed to spread to the surrounding space!
            1. cniza
              cniza 25 August 2020 15: 08 New
              0
              So I’m talking about this, no one will cure our madhouse for us and we do not expect help from someone, only ourselves ... and our neighbors are again looking for the culprit from outside ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 August 2020 15: 11 New
                0
                This is paradoxical ... they were eager, they were eager to become independent, and now their uncle, the neighbor is to blame, that they have something, not from where they need to grow or convolutions, in some places, they do not have enough!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 25 August 2020 15: 30 New
                  +1
                  They have everything, but it's easier and calmer in their souls that not only they are to blame, but they are not at all to blame, this is all a bad neighbor ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 25 August 2020 16: 49 New
                    0
                    Anyway, everything comes from the top .... which, by the way, they have chosen for themselves.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 25 August 2020 16: 55 New
                      +1
                      Everything is difficult, they chose, did not choose or whom they appointed, it is not for nothing that the Chinese have a curse - "what would you like to live in an era of change ..."
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 25 August 2020 17: 20 New
                        +1
                        To climb to the very top, so that you would not get out at all, this is hardly.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 25 August 2020 20: 43 New
                        +1
                        All sorts of miracles happen, but only such magicians are not many ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 26 August 2020 07: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        All sorts of miracles happen, but only such magicians are not many ...

                        And a lot of them are not necessary, after such, most often, a complete ruin remains!
  • Clueless
    Clueless 25 August 2020 12: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: lucul
    Any rally in the post-Soviet space, this is necessarily interference from outside - of course, all power is white and fluffy, people in prisons do not spread rot, do not destroy the opposition.

    Is not it so ? ))))
    In / in Ukraine, prosperity must have come and began to live like Europe, that all rallies and demonstrations disappeared there at once (people are afraid after Odessa)?
    Does it come from your logic? )))
    The people themselves should go to spontaneous rallies, without organizing from outside? But as the example of Ukraine shows, no matter how bad the financial condition of the people is - without organization FROM OUTSIDE, the people themselves are not organized (no matter what Lenin is waving) and will not go to rallies and demonstrations ...
    Mister foreign agent)))


    You consider a meeting as something terrible, even though even in our constitution the right to a meeting is present. Expressing a protest is a completely normal procedure, if, of course, the authorities allow it to be carried out.
    1. lucul
      lucul 25 August 2020 12: 32 New
      -2
      You consider a meeting as something terrible, even though even in our constitution the right to a meeting is present. Expressing a protest is a completely normal procedure, if, of course, the authorities allow it to be carried out.

      Yes ? Why then is Israel suppressing the protests in Palestine? )))
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 25 August 2020 12: 24 New
    -4
    Stagnation 2.0 - history and our pain
    All my life like a kettlebell with my country
    I am fully grateful to God for Russia
    But I don’t believe in some special way of being poor
    Stagnation 2.0 - history and our pain
    All my life like a kettlebell with my country
    I am fully grateful to God for Russia
    But I don’t believe in some special way of being poor

    [1 couplet]
    It's time for me to enroll in Russophobes
    Having said that beyond the threshold in my house, everything is not thankful to God
    I see the standard of doom by the people of the millions
    The way to get closer to the throne, to lick the king's feet
    We're humus stories of pseudo-heroes
    Under today's oil lads, as before under the Horde
    We wander in a circle behind the fence in silence and do not whine
    The equivalent of a barrel is easy human shame and grief
    Thieves are in favor; in the fort, and around the cockade -
    The army that separates the rabble from those who divide yards
    Dogs guard the spirit of the archaic totalitarian
    The old jammed record goes to the start
    Stalin is in their heart, a mummy is in the pyramid
    Strategists awaken darkness like a full moon
    We trump in response to the mind of Mizulina
    And in our souls we continue to ferment a sluggish madness
    We don't believe in elections until we were given them
    Before the paper, they somehow wiped themselves with burdocks
    Old before electricity, torches burned perfectly
    We tirelessly believe in a single, deep path
    If not him, then who? If not, the flood
    Shut up, murlo, and honor the king - and here's the whole ceiling
    Cut off the outside world by a line of cold
    Silence is gold; if anything, there is Zolotov

    [Chorus]
    Just let's not pretend
    That there is no cold civil war
    And suddenly one country to go forward
    You don't have to crash and beat and burn to ashes
    The gray world revolves between two poles:
    Invented enemy and guarded fear
    They don't want you and me to think, bro
    Cement in the system, jelly in the brain
    Stagnation 2.0

    Legalize
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 25 August 2020 12: 35 New
    +8
    Alexander Staver
    It is naive to imagine the events in Belarus only as the actions of a handful of marginals, allegedly led by "Western puppeteers".

    People in Belarus also have children and their full right so that children live free in a free country
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 25 August 2020 15: 13 New
      -1
      "Dmitry Vladimirovich"
      Children? So it's for the kids? Well, they would say right away!
      And then we stupid thought that they were worried about other people's children.
  • Revival
    Revival 25 August 2020 12: 40 New
    +2
    “And what happens when the“ iron president ”is replaced by the“ mumbled president, ”we can see very well on the example of Ukraine."

    Question to the author who meant?
    And it is not entirely clear who is the iron president, who was issued as a blessing for Ukraine
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 25 August 2020 13: 11 New
      0
      Not "iron", but "greedy-chocolate" laughing
  • 1536
    1536 25 August 2020 13: 49 New
    +1
    Specifically, no one will speak for the president in the near future. But for an alliance with Russia, for the preservation of enterprises, for economic integration, for Russian as the second state language, at present, I think, 70-80% of the citizens of Belarus will speak out. Well, if "no", then, as they say, "additional management" ... and nothing can be done about it.
    Now the president should make an appeal to the people, put these items on the agenda, voice them so that the pro-government media will pick them up, broadcast comprehensive information about what is, what may be in one case, what in another, so that this program reached every citizen of Belarus, so that the citizens would weigh all the pros and cons of an alliance with Russia, and finally make a decision to further ruin their country or stop. Alas, none of this exists. One cheap production, non-circus circus, non-theater theater. Therefore, there will be one end. Specifically for Belarusians game over.
  • Gost2012
    Gost2012 25 August 2020 14: 00 New
    0
    The article is a standard Russian nonsense, another illustration of the total maidan of the brain in the Russian Federation.
    There was no operation to displace the AHL. He simply did not win this election and forcibly and insolently tries to usurp power once again, that's all. The fact that the West can and is trying to pick up the agenda - so who is not? But “picking up” and “organizing” are very different things.
    The Kremlin supported the AHL and strongly turned people against itself, I think no non-violent unification is already impossible - people are starting to spit in the direction of the Russian Federation.
    In principle, it is impossible to hold any referendums with the participation of the AHL - no idea with its participation will find understanding among people. It is so toxic that some of this toxicity goes to the RF, which supported it.
    The situation with the protests is a dead end for both sides, at this stage the AHL can and will retain power, but it is not clear who it will rule. Here his name is already - President Omon.
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 August 2020 14: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Gost2012

      The Kremlin supported the AHL and strongly turned people against itself, I think no non-violent unification is already impossible - people are starting to spit in the direction of the Russian Federation.


      And what Russia did not please you or interfered with, deal with your country yourself ...
      1. Gost2012
        Gost2012 25 August 2020 14: 26 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Gost2012

        The Kremlin supported the AHL and strongly turned people against itself, I think no non-violent unification is already impossible - people are starting to spit in the direction of the Russian Federation.


        And what Russia did not please you or interfered with, deal with your country yourself ...

        There were even some hopes towards Russia. Tell VVP - new transparent elections are needed, and the people of the Republic of Belarus would shout his liberator. And then once - and recognized AHL as president, almost the first congratulated. Provided support. On TV channels there is support for the AHL against some kind of Maidan. There is just a roar in the media - crush them Old Man, with tanks.
        Here is the answer to the question.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 August 2020 14: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Gost2012

          There were even some hopes towards Russia. Tell VVP - new transparent elections are needed, and the people of the Republic of Belarus would shout his liberator.


          Don't be in a hurry yet, and why does VVP owe you something to advise and say? , you are looking for the guilty outside, and not within yourself, does it look like anything? ...
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  • cniza
    cniza 25 August 2020 14: 18 New
    +2
    And we have already seen that the people in Belarus are smart and understanding.


    And they themselves will sort out their affairs ...
  • Sergey Russky
    Sergey Russky 25 August 2020 14: 23 New
    -3
    spit on leeches ... whatever. For 33 citizens of Russia, silence ... so don't care about them
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  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 25 August 2020 15: 54 New
    -1
    So much has already been said, written and shown that only
    Will this be the development of a union state or, in general, the entry of Belarus into Russia on the basis of autonomy?
    In the article, I was interested in photography and the question arose: "What position does the omnipresent Kolya hold?"
    Carries it with him everywhere, even where the "first ladies" are not invited!
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 25 August 2020 16: 01 New
    +1
    I will write my comment ... from the point of view of the Law tongue

    If I were in Lukashenka's place now ... and I would be completely sure that 80 percent for me is HONEST !!! ... then:

    1. I would instruct the Head of the Parliament of the Republic of Belarus to submit for a referendum in the Republic of Belarus the question whether the people of Belarus trust the newly elected President ... in a month I would hold a referendum ... UNDER THE FULL CONTROL OF ANY PARTIES WITH VIDEO RECORDING of any actions at polling stations good

    2. Having received his "pros" of 80 (albeit already 75) percent - he would shut up the mouths of both the opposition and "the entire world community" bully

    I have a question ... what prevents the "dancer" from dancing ?! repeat
    1. baltiksi
      baltiksi 25 August 2020 20: 32 New
      0
      The truth interferes with the dancer, there were no 80% there and it was close. Yes, for him and now 50% plus 1 vote. That is, the majority and Luke is the legitimate President. And now we have what we have. I want to convince you in Russia, ordinary people who are tired of lies came out to mass protests. And these people are not drug addicts, not radicals, not convicted. And also patriots. Belarus.
    2. Barkun
      Barkun 26 August 2020 21: 13 New
      0
      ABOUT! Brilliantly!
  • BAI
    BAI 25 August 2020 16: 35 New
    +1
    1. In spite of everything, Poland has shown that its special services are capable of influencing the international situation. It entered the international arena, so to speak.
    2. Nobody canceled the manual of color revolutions. The main thing now is to prevent the sacred sacrifice.
  • Whisk
    Whisk 25 August 2020 19: 05 New
    -4
    A mediocre operation of the Polish special services. Why did the rebellion fail in Belarus

    Well, not talentless, they organized everything well .. But they were simply lured into this business, with the same Tikhanovskaya klushka lol ..Remember how Lukashenka was hounded in all the media for three years in a row .. Russia was silent and Putin was silent .. The West realized it was time for our hour and introduced all its reserves to the Sabbath and then a coup flags balls stuffing! And then hop Russia, China, etc. recognized the elections and are silent again .. Shabash is gaining momentum The Baltic states, Ukraine, the EU are shouting Down, Tikhanovskaya is the legitimate president .. and so on.
    And then Putin on the phone says to Old Man "Why are you silent, it's time to go out to the people, everything and everyone has been revealed." (the video was like that Batka said))))

    A beautiful operation, as in Venezuela almost .. The second stage of the operation, integration with Russia and preparation for the reference to join ...
    Do you think I came up with it? Alas no ... everyone is kind and understanding
    1. nekromonger
      nekromonger 25 August 2020 22: 18 New
      -5
      Yesterday is possible, but today the Belarusians will not unite with Mordor for any price, because he himself is flying into the abyss.
  • baltiksi
    baltiksi 25 August 2020 20: 24 New
    -4
    For some reason, you Russians think that you have grabbed God by the beard. If you read your comments, well, everything is correct, it’s definitely a Polish hand. And at the same time, Belarus has a Constitution, oddly enough. The fact that Luka himself is to blame, 26 years in power is too much, he lies as he breathes, you are not worries. Therefore, on VO from you appeals - Glory to the Belarusian Omon and calls for the introduction of troops. You think a little. Not all of them are nationalists at the protests, as your channels claim. Most are ordinary people who are fed up with lies. You there in Russia, first figure out how it started on August 9 here. When no one threw Molotov cocktails, and when the schools were full of people simply because it was necessary to show that who is against Luka, they are renegades. A huge number of Belarusian citizens are against us lying face down on the floor, as Omon shouted. Now Luka spoke about the state ideology in relation to teachers. He says, if he does not support the state ideologists, they’ll expel them from school. And according to the Constitution, the diversity of opinions and ideology and no ideology is obligatory. Not a single case has been initiated against the security officials, but such victims, about 500 and not all of them are militants. And you support Luka and look for a Polish trace. Enter troops into Belarus. and so on. If 3 weeks ago I, a Russian, was in favor of joining Russia, now I don't know. And you repulse such Russophiles from yourself. Shout glory to the Belarusian riot police more.
    1. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 10 September 2020 19: 50 New
      0
      Quote: baltiksi
      And for us, the Russian WORLD is, first of all, the Russian language, Russian culture, the ability to speak our language, a lot of things ... By the way, we can speak Russian in Belarus thanks to Old Man, and we remember that. ...

      You know, the worldview in our time is shaped by the media. Specifically by the channels that the person chooses.
      Most of the facts that you wrote are just journalistic duck. Well, not even just journalistic, and neighboring states "try" with all their might. Fake News, Trump says.
      There is a well-known fact that a hundred who died on the Maidan were mostly random people, some of them were on the first day in Kiev. How did it happen that they were shot at once? The investigation did not find the culprits, the trees where the bullets fell, flying into this hundred, were cut down. Why do bullets hit the barrels from the back in the video frames ??? Why did the people with weapons who were on the side of the protesters on the Maidan manage to safely leave this place, which turned out to be a death trap for the innocent? Did they know something in advance, unlike the newcomers, who went straight from the train to their funeral?
      Now let's look at history and how it's done. Namely on provocations, all sorts of them - "arson of a reistag", shelling of borders, explosions of battleships, test tubes with washing powder in the UN .. I cannot cite as an example even a small part of those provocations that took place.
      Specifically, a provocation took place in Belarus, accompanied by a massive information attack.
      The attack took place, the situation was rocked not only by telegram channels, but even resources such as mail.ru
      And fakes from the first days like a cornucopia. The picture is being directed, the information is presented too biased, to fall under the influence of such resources is like a sect ... And there is a set of manipulative technologies.
      And the most important. Without victims, rarely a coup is successful, and if victims for some reason are not expected, is it so difficult to organize them?
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 25 August 2020 20: 35 New
    -1
    Quote: baltiksi
    The truth interferes with the dancer, there were no 80% there and it was close. Yes, for him and now 50% plus 1 vote. That is, the majority and Luke is the legitimate President. And now we have what we have. I want to convince you in Russia, ordinary people who are tired of lies came out to mass protests. And these people are not drug addicts, not radicals, not convicted. And also patriots. Belarus.

    I gave you a plus !!! good
    I myself have a sister in Belarus + her family plus my beloved cousin (= native) + her family - and I know firsthand about life in Belarus !!! good

    just ... the zaputins here are sure that Lukasheus HAD 80 percent laughing laughing laughing
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 August 2020 21: 31 New
    -1
    Wow, Poland has special services!
    Contrived to bring the whole of Belarus to the streets belay
    (voice-over: "Never Stirlitz (crossed out) Polish intelligence services
    weren't that close to failure "- music ...).
  • Etherion
    Etherion 25 August 2020 21: 53 New
    -1
    "On the other hand, the security forces had a clear order to suppress violations of the law harshly, but without bloodshed."
    Apparently the order was understood exactly the opposite ...
  • nekromonger
    nekromonger 25 August 2020 22: 14 New
    -7
    a crowd of 300-400 thousand will gather and sweep away the lukashesku along with his mordorguardia, let's see what the author writes then, an article for visitors to the kindergarten. lukashesku is doomed, it's a matter of time.
  • German Titov
    German Titov 25 August 2020 22: 26 New
    +3
    I remember the miners' strike in 1989, in the Donbass. I did not participate (I entered DonSU). Then the sites at the "Oktyabrsky mine" (Donetsk) were rescued (sinking). I remember very much the "bawlers" who destroyed what was built.
  • north 2
    north 2 25 August 2020 22: 29 New
    +2
    the newly created triangle of the Union of Lublin will not leave Belarus alone until this triangle becomes a square - Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus. And no doubt the Belarusians then
    the same fate awaits, which would befall the inhabitants of Crimea if they did not come to Russia, but would remain under the clutches of Ukraine. Rather, Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania, because just Poland and Lithuania
    then, through the organized Maidan in Ukraine, they tore Ukraine away from Russia with everyone today
    known consequences. The split of the Church, the prohibition of the Russian language, the glorification of fascist heroes, rewritten history, the murder of journalists, NATO bows, corruption, millionaire oligarchs and
    general poverty of the population. And Poland and Lithuania like this kind of Ukraine. And in Crimea it would be too
    most, if the Crimea would not come to Russia. And in Belarus it will be the same if Belarus does not come to Russia. And then one of them complains that the Minsk OMON is rude. Here the Kiev OMON was
    gentle, so he laid down his own heads and Ukraine now lies under the heel of America and Poland ...
  • cmax
    cmax 25 August 2020 22: 34 New
    -2
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    Great article by Alexander! Detailed, accurate, the accents are absolutely correct! Both the conclusion about the failure of the rebellion and the conclusion are absolutely correct!

    A delusional article based on the paranoia of "this analyst". Makei Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belarus is a russophobe steeper than Nekhta. And he remained a minister. Wait, oklematsya and you will hear more about how Russia did not send a couple of special forces regiments, and the AHL personally defended the union state with a machine gun. Will thank you. Remember, there was no 80% for the AHL, Bucha went because of the scuffle of results. Look on YouTube how people in commissions were forced to sign fictitious protocols. Damn, Belarus from Russia would not have gone anywhere. But now this is a different country and the AHL and its Drozdovites know this. You yourself are being zombified in full, some kind of cliché ... Maidan, Maidan, Maidan. In the 21st century, people want their votes to matter, and not thrown into the trash, at the whim of the collective farm chairman.
  • Leonid Anatolevich
    Leonid Anatolevich 26 August 2020 00: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    Great article by Alexander! Detailed, accurate, the accents are absolutely correct! Both the conclusion about the failure of the rebellion and the conclusion are absolutely correct!

    This is not quite a rebellion, everyone bothered Lukashenka.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 August 2020 09: 05 New
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    And earlier they wrote that they were Lithuanian. Sometimes the Russians who want to "talk". The stump is clear, and the Yankees.

    In general, to blame someone closer when caught cheating with a% on near-fascist cruelty. The authorities will write off everything.
  • Amadeus Ivanov
    Amadeus Ivanov 26 August 2020 09: 48 New
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    Poland does not have enough money and strength to carry out color revolutions in other countries. The US is now busy with its own problems, and the rest of Europe has no time for Belarus. Poland has chosen the wrong moment. But this is not the end, and by the spring of next year everything will be repeated again and the organizers of the new "revolution" will not be Poland alone .... I am afraid that then Belarus will not be able to resist without a strong ally. But Old Man, it seems to me, is looking for an ally in the wrong place ... And in the Russian Federation he does not want to see an ally, in the Russian Federation he sees only a cash cow, which does not even need to be given hay ...
  • Oleg1515
    Oleg1515 26 August 2020 11: 13 New
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    The good news is that it did not work out quickly to demolish the power. And Protestants are not ready for a long confrontation. Now wait for the next event. They will save up resources and come back.
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 11: 58 New
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    My mother, who died 6 months ago in Borisov, received a pension equivalent to 105 dollars, the bulk of the workers in the same Borisov receives the amount of 150-170 dollars Prices in stores are identical to housing and communal services, too. residents of Belarus are idiots who are led by someone's special services
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 26 August 2020 12: 06 New
      +1
      do you think that if others come, the pension will grow?
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 12: 28 New
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        How to live? You have not answered
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 26 August 2020 12: 29 New
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          question to question ??? I don't know how to live, it is spinning, no power will help here
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 13: 12 New
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            , spinning at 80 years old.? You would twist smth And maybe all the same as in normal states, the election of a new one.? Maybe the new one will be better.?
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 26 August 2020 13: 18 New
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              choosing a new one is good but vryatli is what will bring good
              1. Sergey Nikiforov
                Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 14: 42 New
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                Where such confidence.? what, 9,5 million idiots and only one Christmas day?
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 26 August 2020 15: 18 New
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                  it's not about smart people or fools, the conversation that the smartest won't make a big pension without formatting the country
                  1. Sergey Nikiforov
                    Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 16: 08 New
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                    And this president is capable.? Although, yes, they did not see anything else
                    1. Nastia makarova
                      Nastia makarova 26 August 2020 16: 21 New
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                      Yes, this should be driven for a long time, the last 5 years he has been leading like a madman, but the new one does not need to destroy the basis that Lukashenka created
                      1. Sergey Nikiforov
                        Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 16: 36 New
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                        I don’t understand what basis you are talking about. About some kind of material well-being.? I beg you, skate after the opening of the borders, live for a month, I still have to live, I have to deal with the apartment, things to figure out.Then we'll talk about the basics
  • andrew42
    andrew42 26 August 2020 12: 42 New
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    Why is it a mediocre operation? Quite solid, And by the way, it's not over yet. The process of separating from Russia and pulling Belarus "to the west" has been launched, and it is underway.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 26 August 2020 13: 50 New
    -1
    Russia and Belarus apart - it's bad twelve times
    (there is simply no point in listing in all aspects)
    Blaming Lithuania, Poland, NATO, etc. is our everything.
    But if you are in a bad position (and Zhiglov
    what did you say about this?) - think - WHAT YOU
    DONE WRONG. And this applies to both sides.
    Arranged fun and how old the devil is - we unite,
    no, we are not uniting. So they had some fun ...
    Well, look, is it reasonable? Al Capone as a carbon copy.
    There is a Mafiosi, doing around what he wants. But where he is
    lives - flowers, flower beds, residents do not lock their homes.
    He personally walks the streets, hugs old women, strokes children on the head.
    And here they offer to unite with another, large and strong Mafia.
    And everyone understands that now there will be flowers and flower beds, and then how
    would not be guaranteed. We don’t want to. And to the west? We don't want to either - those
    in general, they will undress to their underpants! And they will issue a lease for those!
    Guys, you are already adults - THINK. DECIDE FINALLY!
    You "checkered" and whether to go ???
    1. Inspector
      Inspector 26 August 2020 14: 39 New
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      luka - a gypsy. As long as Belarusians are held hostage, there will be no unification.
  • Inspector
    Inspector 26 August 2020 14: 36 New
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    Luka is the head of the Maidan, only those who are left out do not understand this. And the Kremlin's protege Barbariko is sitting. That's all Russian joy.
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 26 August 2020 15: 50 New
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    Russian propaganda in action, better Polish pan than bad Ivan
  • Rader
    Rader 26 August 2020 19: 07 New
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    What is the bottom line? Already today we can say with confidence that among the detainees, it must be admitted, and the innocent too, there were those same militants who were preparing for military actions. Today, after appropriate educational work, all were released... Except for the leaders, of course. And they have no more desire to build barricades.









    I wish Alexander Staver, his relatives and friends, that in case of detention (no matter for what reason) they would be released only after appropriate educational work.
  • Valentina Pushkareva
    Valentina Pushkareva 27 August 2020 09: 31 New
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    Poles - hyenas of Europe / Churchill / their genetics have not changed and they will shit on Rossi until they get it in the teeth again! People, be vigilant and do not let the conquerors make of you.