"Dragoon" plus "Boomerang-BM": at the "Army-2020" showed a new BMP "Manul"

The first day of the international military-technical forum "Army-2020" pleased with new products. Kurgan SKBM (Special Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering) showed a new infantry fighting vehicle (BMP) called "Manul".

As SKBM representatives explained, the new BMP is mainly focused on deliveries to export customers. It combines developments on new modifications of the BMP-3 and Boomerang. The BMP is equipped with an uninhabited combat module with a 30-mm automatic cannon, a 7,62-mm machine gun and a Kornet ATGM. The location of the engine is forward, the troopers are located at the rear and exit through a folding ramp. The troop compartment accommodates 8 people.

There is a tendency to exit in the aft, that is, through the rear ramp, the car is made with it in mind. The engine compartment is located at the front. Thanks to the use of the DBM, it was possible to move the engine forward and maintain the center of gravity

- said the chief designer of SKBM Sergey Abdulov.

Declared characteristics: maximum speed on the highway -70 km / h, on a dirt road - 55 km / h and 9,5 km / h afloat.

Note that the new BMP "Manul" is a "cross" of the already known BMP "Dragoon" and the uninhabited universal combat module TKB-945 (Boomerang-BM). This module is used on the Kurganets-25 and Boomerang platforms, as well as on the heavy BMP T-15 Armata. According to the developers, the degree of unification of "Manul" with BMP-3 is 50%.

Comments

[Nikolaevich I]

If they want to interest "foreign customers", then it is advisable, having said A, to immediately speak and B ... that is, other uninhabited weapons modules are promised as well; also show possible options for specialized vehicles based on BMP: armored personnel carriers, KShM, BREM ... etc. !

[Insurgent]

There is a tendency to exit in the aft, that is, through the rear ramp, the car is made with it in mind.

Consider this, not a trend anymore, but a classic of the genre for BMP ...

[Klingon]

a classic of the genre, but just not for the Russian army, in Syria, they still drive the BTR-82A without a ramp and tigers through minefields without mine protection, and then make surprised eyes, why are servicemen dying

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Klingon

and then they make surprised eyes, why are the soldiers dying

The general, who was recently killed by a mine explosion, was walking along the side of the road.

[storm]

And this is just "carelessness" in the combat zone for the general to walk along the roadsides .....

[Boris Chernikov]

well, like a BTR-82A with mine protection standards ... if you do not try to find a magnetic mine on the bottom, then under the wheel it holds anti-tank mines

[Private-K]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

other uninhabited weapon modules are promised; also show possible options

Does anyone have doubts about the capabilities of Kurganmash?
BMP from the entire line is the most complex and expensive vehicle.
An armored personnel carrier is, roughly speaking, the same BMP only without a fancy turret; KShM - without a tower, but crammed with additional equipment, BREM - a simplified body with a crane ...

[newcomer]

For some reason, nothing is said about the Parallax system tested on BMP3. This is a "transparent armor" system developed by the Signal Research Institute.

[fa2998]

I, and many have already begun to get confused in the abundance of samples of armored vehicles. Previously, one wheeled armored personnel carrier, one on a harp, 1-2 tanks. Now it has passed twenty, and the end is not in sight. Apparently they are not paid for the delivery of a series, but for the number of experienced machines.

[Private-K]

Quote: fa2998

I, and many have already begun to get confused in the abundance of samples of armored vehicles. Previously, one wheeled armored personnel carrier, one on a harp, 1-2 tanks. Now it has passed twenty, and the end is not in sight. Apparently they are not paid for the delivery of a series, but for the number of experienced machines.

And it's good that there is plenty to choose from military customer.
It is possible to check the concepts of the vehicle. live.

[BAI]

And it's good that a military customer has plenty to choose from.

Have you tried to pick up spare parts for this whole zoo?

[Private-K]

With a fairly large army, the "zoo" is inevitable so.
The choosing customer takes into account the issue of spare parts.
(This was a huge problem for the USSR for spare parts - it was not profitable for manufacturers to make them. But now, on the contrary, it is profitable, even very profitable.)
How do you see the spare parts selection process? I see a laptop of the chief of supply in which the corresponding databases and programs are installed.

[BAI]

How do you see the spare parts selection process? I see a laptop of the chief of supply in which the corresponding databases and programs are installed.

And I see the nomenclature, quantities, logistics, production facilities, warehouses and personnel trained to service a variety of equipment (+ the necessary tools and equipment).

[IS-80_RVGK2]

These are all insignificant little things. But the database in the laptop is wow.

[hydrox]

In vain you are dramatizing:
1. Not the entire zoo is launched into production (some are eliminated at training grounds such as Syria, some are improving there, but the military will still choose.
2. Along with the tests "in action", the process of unification is going on (it does not really stop during the entire lifetime of the equipment (for some reason this does not apply to AvtoVAZ products !!).
3. The Second World War showed the usefulness of inter-KBV competition :: it was this kind of competition that made it possible to select the best models of equipment for mass production, with the exception of those that could not be produced in war conditions, but were in high demand in peacetime and in other conditions of use ...
An example is the S-60 assault rifle: in the 50s, the cannon was unable to deal with jet aircraft, but now from the old (new) barrels today they have received an excellent "Derivation" for today's conditions.

[venik]

Quote: BAI

Have you tried to pick up spare parts for this whole zoo?

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And if they are all UNIFIED according to the BASIC s / h?

[Klingon]

a lot of cars and a lot of cars that are not unified with each other, the old rake of the USSR, such an assortment turns out. but all because the MO cannot decide what they actually need

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Klingon

many cars are not unified among themselves, the old rake of the USSR

Look, on this topic, what's going on in China - the variety of technology is many times greater than ours. But it doesn't seem to be a problem for them.

[Klingon]

- what's going on in India

[Brother]

hM .... Primitive development of bablos. The "damned soviet" had a unification, a system of sorting and selection of samples ....

[Boris Chernikov]

because we are talking about export .. yes, and there is an opinion that it is still very early to write off the BMP-3, especially the Dragun .. too many misunderstandings about Kurganets .. the price is high, and the possibilities of a bash with a BMP-3M Dragun .. and if they screw the KAZ to it ... then it will generally become cloudy

[soul]

As SKBM representatives explained, the new BMP is mainly focused on deliveries to export customers.

For foreigners to become interested, it is desirable that the equipment be in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: alma

For foreigners to become interested, it is desirable that the equipment be in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

Experience of application in a Combat situation is more important.

[hydrox]

Yes, and this fades into the second plan :: Fu-2 was stuck in-stuck in everyone, but the plane was not a normal function, so for all the time of its existence it hangs outside the radar screens, fearing that its inability to fly will be deciphered by documents.
But the other day, our defencists announced that they were ready to export the Su-57, so according to their assurances, a queue for the supply was lined up since the night, although it is not in service.

[donavi49]

For foreigners to be interested, the technique must be competitive.

The first Su-30 was delivered to the native Air Force already on the third hundred of the aircraft released. The first 636 submarine hit the Navy on the third dozen built boats. The first BMP-2 Berezhok got into his native army with 6 hundred vehicles sold. Well, etc. Even if we take the BMP-3, the UAE has been the main operator in the world for a long time. And today Kuwait + UAE have BMP-3 more than Russia. And in the future, Iraq will be the largest operator of BMP-3 in the world.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: donavi49

The first Su-30 was delivered to the native Air Force already on the third hundred of the aircraft released.

Moreover, he got into his native Air Force just because the base machines were already in mass production for a foreign customer. Some kind of Russian Reversal: instead of the usual delivery to a foreign customer of a modified version of products "for domestic consumption", the Ministry of Defense ordered a version of an export aircraft modified to meet its requirements. Moreover, there are two models in two factories.

[hydrox]

And this is not even an analyst, but a microscope examining the contents of the lining of a uniform - this level of "penetration" is possessed by only a few of the VO writers.
Thank you, such comments are a pleasure to read.

[hydrox]

Real analytics!

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Private-K

And it's good that there is plenty to choose from for a military customer. There is an opportunity to check the concepts of the vehicle. live.

Well, yes, good ... maybe really good ... And who pays for the creation of this whole zoo ???
Maybe it would be better to send funds for mass production of anything ???

The question is: how much public funds have been spent on the development of those two dozen prototypes and prototypes, which, obviously, will never go into production. Moreover, initially did not have a chance to go into the series ???

[hydrox]

In order to GIVE the future, or OVERLINE the future, it is necessary to create at least a prototype, and not just a prototype - this is what scientists and designers work for.
Do you think they are working to read your thoughts?
Naturally NO!
So push them where they belong, but it won't make you comfortable to sit ...

[BAI]

The main thing is that the series should be launched, and not limited to 2-3 ceremonial (exhibition) specimens, as with Armata. The bad example of Roscosmos (in the field of promises) is contagious.

[hydrox]

And what about Armata?
Already exhausted on finishing work and acceptance - the other day it will go into the series and, as expected, will become literally "golden" for the export customer (like the Su-57E).
Okay, but we have excellent platforms for upgrades and other construction toys for another quarter century.

[svp67]

As SKBM representatives explained, the new BMP is mainly focused on deliveries to export customers.

And they do not want to look at them until these combat vehicles enter service with their own army ... "A vicious circle", which must be broken by stopping the supply of BMP-3 to our troops and the beginning of deliveries of BMP-3M

[hydrox]

So then, not only BMP-3M, but it is necessary to supply them to the troops in conjunction with the acquisition of parts by "Derivation" - then this will be the complex meaning of using tactical formations of the battalion order, and so that the chassis is enough for both models, then let your head hurt about it at Manturov's.

[moreman78]

Quote: svp67

As SKBM representatives explained, the new BMP is mainly focused on deliveries to export customers.

And they do not want to look at them until these combat vehicles enter service with their own army ... "A vicious circle", which must be broken by stopping the supply of BMP-3 to our troops and the beginning of deliveries of BMP-3M

For our Ministry of Defense, the main thing is action and PR - that's why all the money for biatols, Suvorov onslaught, aviadarts and others! Look, specially under the Suvorov onslaught in DVOKU, 20 modernized BMP-2s were brought in! So what kind of BMP-3M or other Boomerangs can we talk about ...

[hydrox]

But the BMP-3M should go to the LINEAR parts!
And for the commanders of platoons, companies and battalions to organize a full-fledged professional development for a period of a month with driving practice of at least 30 hours - then there will be a sense of using new technology.

[Radical]

Quote: alma

As SKBM representatives explained, the new BMP is mainly focused on deliveries to export customers.

For foreigners to become interested, it is desirable that the equipment be in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

I would say this - this is the main condition for the export success of this or that model of weapons and military equipment.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Radikal

I would say this - this is the main condition for the export success of this or that model of weapons and military equipment.

Optional condition.

Quote: donavi49

The first Su-30 was delivered to the native Air Force already on the third hundred of the aircraft released. The first 636 submarine hit the Navy on the third dozen built boats. The first BMP-2 Berezhok got into his native army with 6 hundred vehicles sold. Well, etc. Even if we take the BMP-3, the UAE has been the main operator in the world for a long time. And today Kuwait + UAE have BMP-3 more than Russia.

[Hey]

It all causes Deja vu , as if the pre-war time of the last century, there are many samples of new technology, and this is good, and it is necessary, and the generals are for that against ... And BAC war and now it went into series, and it was fought with it, and it became heroic, and it became a masterpiece of military thought.

[fa2998]

Quote: Private-K

And it's good that a military customer has plenty to choose from.

And, what can you choose? Money is not given for a serial, and for the acquisition of equipment. How many years did the same "Terminator" and "Sotochka" get to the troops - FORY years. Back in the ancient 80s, we saw the first samples, now gladly announces that they are supplied to the troops.
About wheeled armored vehicles, there are already a dozen of them, eyes run wide, and it is unlikely that they will produce in the series, but this is the taxpayer's money.

[Doliva63]

Quote: fa2998

How many years did the same "Terminator" "get" to the troops?

And what, got there ?!

[garri-lin]

In fact, a variant of the Dragoon with a new DBM. The same constructor that is optimal for the army and industry. Some can choose and order what suits the most. Collect others from waste elements.

[senima56]

The "foreign customers" have the first question: "Have you put this technique into service ?! If it is so good, why is it not in service with you ?!" So we got into a mess with the MiG-35!

[Radical]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Radikal

I would say this - this is the main condition for the export success of this or that model of weapons and military equipment.

Optional condition.

Quote: donavi49

The first Su-30 was delivered to the native Air Force already on the third hundred of the aircraft released. The first 636 submarine hit the Navy on the third dozen built boats. The first BMP-2 Berezhok got into his native army with 6 hundred vehicles sold. Well, etc. Even if we take the BMP-3, the UAE has been the main operator in the world for a long time. And today Kuwait + UAE have BMP-3 more than Russia.

Did you want to surprise? So what? The fact that the Russian Federation is equipping other people's armies with modern weapons and military equipment ahead of its own is only the lazy one does not know. But where do "grandmothers" for fulfilled contracts dissolve? What are you bragging about ?! By the fact that foreign armies have more of our modern weapons than ourselves? Well then, be happy, to the heap, that several trillions of our money in foreign currency were exported abroad and invested in American "candy wrappers"! This is your peremoga ?!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Radikal

Did you want to surprise?

Not. Just bring facts that do not fit into your theory that The main condition for the export success of one or another model of AME is the availability of this equipment in service with the RF Armed Forces.

Quote: Radikal

So what? The fact that the Russian Federation is equipping other people's armies with modern weapons and military equipment ahead of its own is only the lazy one does not know. But where do "grandmothers" for fulfilled contracts dissolve?

If it were not for the grandmothers for completed contracts, it would have been impossible to order the Su-30 for our Air Force. There would be no cars or factories: at best, a clothing market, at worst, the ruins of a factory.
While the native state did not have the money to order military equipment, factories and design bureaus survived as best they could. And when the state after 08.08.08 realized that bravura reports about the steady increase in the enemy's combat readiness could not be cast aside and finally decided to take care of conventional weapons systems, it turned out that we have an established production of fighters.

Quote: Radikal

What are you bragging about ?! By the fact that foreign armies have more of our modern weapons than ourselves? Well then, rejoice, to the heap, that several trillions of our money in foreign currency were exported abroad, and invested in American "candy wrappers"! This is your peremoga ?!

Bravo - Imago and Ulises at once.
It is rather difficult to imagine the usual facts of successful export of equipment that at that time was not in service with the RF Armed Forces or was not purchased by them en masse, as bragging and overriding. But you succeeded.

[Cats]

"According to the developers, the degree of unification of the Manul with the BMP-3 is 50%."

It seems to me that this circumstance can play a key role for the adoption of the Manul by our Defense Ministry, pushing the Kurganets-25 aside.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And how is it radically better than the BMP-3?

[Radical]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Radikal

Did you want to surprise?

Not. Just bring facts that do not fit into your theory that The main condition for the export success of one or another model of AME is the availability of this equipment in service with the RF Armed Forces.

Quote: Radikal

So what? The fact that the Russian Federation is equipping other people's armies with modern weapons and military equipment ahead of its own is only the lazy one does not know. But where do "grandmothers" for fulfilled contracts dissolve?

If it were not for the grandmothers for completed contracts, it would have been impossible to order the Su-30 for our Air Force. There would be no cars or factories: at best, a clothing market, at worst, the ruins of a factory.
While the native state did not have the money to order military equipment, factories and design bureaus survived as best they could. And when the state after 08.08.08 realized that bravura reports about the steady increase in the enemy's combat readiness could not be cast aside and finally decided to take care of conventional weapons systems, it turned out that we have an established production of fighters.

Quote: Radikal

What are you bragging about ?! By the fact that foreign armies have more of our modern weapons than ourselves? Well then, rejoice, to the heap, that several trillions of our money in foreign currency were exported abroad, and invested in American "candy wrappers"! This is your peremoga ?!

Bravo - Imago and Ulises at once.
It is rather difficult to imagine the usual facts of successful export of equipment that at that time was not in service with the RF Armed Forces or was not purchased by them en masse, as bragging and overriding. But you succeeded.

It was not me who succeeded - those who successfully traded the secrets of our military-industrial complex for more than thirty years, and then began to imitate the "revival" of this very MIC, succeeded! And I don't need to tell all sorts of propaganda, like "getting up from my knees", innovation policy, and other cries about the rearmament of the RF Armed Forces by leaps and bounds.

[Disant]

the less bearable visibility of the mechanic through the standard instruments is questionable, and with a roll it will be even more difficult

[Disant]

Well, they gave me a minus about the mechanic's visibility, and meanwhile all the mechanics-drivers of the world suffer:
watch from 13.20 - yapi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmG_OZct-UU
meanwhile in Kursk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zQ34Xl6ddQ

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: hydrox

In order to GIVE the future, or OVERLINE the future, you need to create at least a prototype, and not just a prototype - this is what scientists and designers work for. Do you really think that they work in order to read your thoughts? Naturally, NO ! So push them where they belong, but it won't make you feel comfortable to sit ...

I just expressed my doubt, what, I have the right as well as all other visitors to this forum. Is my opinion wrong? May be. I have never claimed that my opinion is the ultimate truth.
Do you have a different opinion? I am immensely happy !!! It is great that everyone can have their own opinion !!!

However, you are so frankly rude ... have I offended you in some way?